Thread 713684667

We did it reddit!

We saved videogames!

He won

eceleb faggotry and petitions nobody gives a shit about, /v/ has fallen

>>713685027
he's raping a domestic animal right now to celebrate

>>713684667 (OP)
>normalised
>s
Fuck that movement.

>>713685213
Kiwitards in shambles, they just keep losing this month.

>>713684667 (OP)
The moldman has the right idea but he started his movement at the wrong time.
Nobody gives a shit about The Crew.

>>713685027
What kind of person actually enjoys watching and defending a narcissist anyways? He's always acting like a smug fucker while being blatantly wrong and constantly banning people in his community.

>>713684667 (OP)
They targeted gamers.

Gamers.

We're a group of people who will sit for hours, days, even weeks on end performing some of the hardest, most mentally demanding tasks. Over, and over, and over all for nothing more than a little digital token saying we did.

We'll punish our selfs doing things others would consider torture, because we think it's fun.

We'll spend most if not all of our free time min maxing the stats of a fictional character all to draw out a single extra point of damage per second.

Many of us have made careers out of doing just these things: slogging through the grind, all day, the same quests over and over, hundreds of times to the point where we know evety little detail such that some have attained such gamer nirvana that they can literally play these games blindfolded.

Do these people have any idea how many controllers have been smashed, systems over heated, disks and carts destroyed 8n frustration? All to latter be referred to as bragging rights?

These people honestly think this is a battle they can win? They take our media? We're already building a new one without them. They take our devs? Gamers aren't shy about throwing their money else where, or even making the games our selves. They think calling us racist, mysoginistic, rape apologists is going to change us? We've been called worse things by prepubescent 10 year olds with a shitty head set. They picked a fight against a group that's already grown desensitized to their strategies and methods. Who enjoy the battle of attrition they've threatened us with. Who take it as a challange when they tell us we no longer matter. Our obsession with proving we can after being told we can't is so deeply ingrained from years of dealing with big brothers/sisters and friends laughing at how pathetic we used to be that proving you people wrong has become a very real need; a honed reflex.

>>713684667 (OP)
Nooooooooo I want to play Concord forever and ever!!!!!!!

>>713684667 (OP)
It probably won't get there since Ross waited for the last moment, but eh, at least he tried something to help the industry

>A day after Ross fired his last cylinder
>50,000 sigs
>Today, only at 9am, another 9000 have been collected
I guess slop does win in the end.

>>713685375
Correction: Dramaslop, not calling this in favour of slop by the way.

You all liked Ross back in the 90s.

>>713685027
He suicided his career like Karl Jobst. Everyone turned on him including his audience and bigger YT fags.

>>713685027
The ferrets are going into hiding, PirateSoftware approaches with a roll of Duck Tape in-hand towards the enclosure.

He would celebrate vigorously tonight.

>>713685551
Nobody will remember this in a week. Just like the wow slop drama

>MMO loses money and gets shut down
>autists who sank 8000 hours in becomes Big Mad

>>713685675
>Duck Tape
>made for taping ducks

>>713685027
>thor
>winning
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9ecAatdNojY

>>713685753
Most people have a moving on point in MMOs. The only people left when a MMO is dying are F2Pers being faggots.

>>713685027
Based

Wow, what a great leader you have. I'd sure like to support a guy that says you deserve this for not helping him. Can't admit that there isn't any fault on your end like how you pitch this idea in the first place? No? Going to just blame everyone else but yourself? I think I understand why he didn't get the support when he needed it and now has to rely on drama to get attention now.

>>713685753
So what? Make it playable offline, what's the big deal? Have those autists be able to play it on private servers, not like you gonna lose money anyways since its not being sold

>>713685753
No, they just keep running these mmo's privately, which is closer to what the initiative is asking for, retard-san.

>>713685921
Pull your dick out of the ferret, Jason.

>>713685682
Nobody is going to remember him in a week, more like it.

>>713685958
no it isn't. it's asking for governments to force game companies to effectively turn games Open Source whenever they enter EoS. Anyone who isn't a card-carrying communist understands the implication of that, and refuses to touch the movement with a ten foot bargepole.

>>713685939
you're not entitled to the game's code.

>>713685027
>nu/v/ would rather side with this nepobaby faggot instead of getting features that we got in the 90s, just for the sake of being contrarian
Man

>>713686078
>you're not entitled to the game's code.
Not asked for, try again

>>713686078
Go away shill, nobody is asking for games to become open source.

>>713686078
>no it isnt, its [headcanon]
Nigger how many times do people have to write "allow community servers" before you get it. How in the fuck does this imply making a game open source. What are you talking about?

>>713685551
It was a long time coming. He got up his own ass further and further and even when he was clearly bullshitting and in the wrong denied it.

>>713685839
kek what a bitch

>>713686257
When will you faggots understand that the average losers that browse /v/ nowadays are rejected redditors who farm for (You)s

>>713686173
It’s crazy how we’re able to boot up Quake and Doom with a few mods or sourceports and play with friends. If this is possible with games from 30 years ago why can’t newer games allow this? Quake and Doom are actively sold to this day which makes fags like Madalvius look even worse.

>>713686361
Zoomers were literally bred to be cattle anon, they treat brands like they are Jesus

>>713686078
I am.

>>713686173
We're in an age where nobody really *has* principles anymore, it's just doing whatever makes the other percieved side mad

>>713686361
Large corporations have been gradually doing shit and testing waters to see what they can get away with and found a winning formula by catering towards apathy and ignoring everyone
Remember always online SimCity and Diablo 3 and how those were criticized to hell and back? Well now its almost all AAA games, fuck you, you cattle
Remember Horse Armor in Oblivion? Well its standard practice for DLC now, fuck you, you cattle
Remember when Titanfall 1 was hated because it was online only game with no singleplayer campaign sold at full price? Well its now standard practice for multiplayer games, fuck you, you cattle
Remember new Mario Kart that costs 80 bucks? Well its gonna be standard now as more and more companies up the price, fuck you, you cattle

>>713685027
>cries that one game he likes is getting killed
>still acts like a bitch and that it's totally different from skg
>still refuse to admit he was wrong despite getting bodied and ratioed in the comments.

>>713685337
Even from a simple historical preservation angle it's pretty retarded. Games just vanishing into thin air until someone maybe leaks the source code or the game gets reverse engineered by some autist in the unlikeliest of cases.

>>713686361
You are not supposed to keep playing with products you have already paid for. You are supposed to discard them as quickly as possible in time for the next product.

>>713685027

I don't get how anyone could still follow this fuck after all of this. There are always going to be lonely little simps, even of male youtubers.

>>713685291
>What kind of person actually enjoys watching and defending a narcissist anyways?
People who identify with smug narcissists.

>>713686361
It’s crazy how we’re able to boot up Quake and Doom with a few mods or sourceports and play with friends. If this is possible with games from 30 years ago why can’t newer games allow this?
Because it benefits you, not them.

>>713685438
This Ross wouldn't have taken pirate softwares shit

>9th moldman thread
good job janny

The frog boiling thing is a myth

>>713684667 (OP)
the ideology of SKG and the proposed legal solutions are batshit insane
and i'm a strong advocate for emulation, roms, reverse engineering, and the public domain

>>713687264
well whether if it’s a myth or not it’s working since we have $70 and $80 games with many of them with macrotransactions and it all seems normal to many

>>713687264
Which makes it more pathetic
Npcs are dumber than frogs

>>713685334
What gets me is headset being 2 words

>>713684667 (OP)
Why are people trying to protect big corpos and scummy devs for free?
If they really cared about you and their game they would release server SDK by themselves

>>713687698
The point is that nobody cares except total loser faggots who cling to online games they autistically play solo years after everyone else quit. It adds costs for the developer to make a migration plan for private servers if that's even feasible or forces them to keep running servers. That cost will be another excuse to jack up game prices, and you faggots are already too poor to buy games.

>>713687878
Server tools used to be almost ubiquitous, zoomie.

>>713687947
Yes, but the internet got dumber and dumber, so people don't know how to manage their own firewalls. That's why the matchmaking and negotiation through master servers is done. Want to go back? Kill everyone who got on the internet after 1989.

>>713687947
Let him be anon, he only knows live service shit, don't be angry at him, just show him the pity he deserves

>>713685027
>40 year old weasel fucking nepo gets into an internet slapfight with an autist living in pooland with his kurwa wife
>claims superiority to plebs for being a fucking faggot

>>713687947
And as if to prove my point, >>713688023 is posting from his iPhone, because Apple invented the internet (9 years before 4chan got invented) in his mind.

>>713687336
>Having to consider an End of Life plan in designing phase is batshit insane

>>713688013
>You will get viruses from private server, unless you manually configure your firewall!

>>713688104
It's a nokia you jerk

>>713687878
Anyone who doesn't care is a bitch. No other industry does - or would be allowed to do - this shit. If you buy a book and toss it on a bookshelf, can the publisher break into your house after 4 years and shred the book?

stop being a little corpo cocksucker and try to have a shred of self respect

It has nice momentum but the campaign should get attention constantly until the goal is reached. some streamers could put links and make promos for it. instead we got like the first month and now the last one and unless more big youtubers join in and promote it there no chance of reaching that treshold.

>>713687336
>stealing money from the customer is fine because we have divine right

>>713687336
If anything it's too reserved

>>713688182
A lot of small scale games don't necessitate dedicated servers, so it ends up being point to point with a host. That means forwarding ports, which nobody under the age of 44 knows how to do.
>>713688235
They don't delete the game. They just don't run it anymore. Am I entitled to my lifetime pizza at Showbiz (you must be over 18 to post here)?
>the crew
That was a mistake Valve said they wouldn't repeat.

>>713684667 (OP)
fuck the EU
fuck communists
wanting to play concord is not a human right

>>713685027
This person must be most repulsive looking streamer of all time. He looks like an ugly transsexual.

>>713684667 (OP)
turns out people LOVE to get fucked by corpos, drones

It's amazing how /v/ worships streamers, when they just follow trends and don't believe anything they say.

>>713686078
>Anyone who isn't a card-carrying communist
But I am.

>>713685027
>implying he won
The majority of his Anglo audience hates his ass now.

>>713686078
A ton of companies let players run their own servers or turn off servers for single players games that stay playable, you dumb nigger. All of that without open sourcing. You're as retarded as the disgusting ugly worm on twitch.

>>713688342
My man, the solution has been invented ages ago

>>713686173
All it takes to convince /v/'s hivemind of something is to make it appear it's the contrarian opinion.

>>713688607
Anything that an OP is made about is pure faggotry. This is fact.

>When they kill the service for the game, rendering my game worthless
>I lay down and take it like a good boy
>When they raise the price to retaliate against the policy forcing them unable to kill the game
>I lay down and take it like a good boy
This is why we are having so much issues right now.
Corporates will have no power if these losers don't just lay down and take it like a good little boy.

>>713685939
Are you going to pay them for the code or to develop player run server hosting capability?

No? Then fuck off. Why should they work for free?

>>713686173
>getting features that we got in the 90s
good gameplay?
artstyle full of soul?

>>713688749
You mean good little goy. I hate goys so much. We don't really have them in Israel.

>>713688757
Ideally, their publishers or upper management would pay for that.

>>713684667 (OP)
If that initiative succeeds or fails does not really matter to me, since I just won't buy live service games, I don't really buy multiplayer games to begin with and I already have a huge backlog. Same with €70 games, I just won't buy them. I wait for 75% off sales, if I buy them at all. Also unlike most zoomers I know how to pirate shit.

>>713688856
>We don't need steam refunds. Just don't buy "bad" games.

>>713687878
Oh no, not the cost. It's add maybe 0.1 percent to the game's budget. And it's about being able to use a product you paid for. Currently they can turn off the game any time they want without refunding you

>>713688891
Don't get me wrong, I am all for that fucking corporations in the ass. I just don't personally need this.

>>713688915
The really fucked up shit is stuff like, "We can take your game away for any reason" in the TOS, how is that shit even legal to begin with?

>>713686078
>effectively turn games Open Source whenever they enter EoS
Even for games like MMOs, no it isn't. Most MMOs that have private servers aren't magically open source software you fucking mongoloid.
To begin with, open source is a goddamn license not some magical state of existence for software. It means that you can legally take the code and make your own from it without any due to the original software creator. Making something "open source" at its EoS would mean that once any game hits EoS, people could legally take that game and make derivatives and sell them. Nobody wants that.

>>713689115
I hope someone takes your games away.

>>713685027
thor was liek
>im gonna ruin that man entire career

>>713684667 (OP)
don't care lol
>buying games
>playing onlineslop

>>713684667 (OP)
Is he going to blow himself up in front of some parlament?

>>713688856
How has voting with your wallet worked for cosmetic DLC in single player games?
How has voting with your wallet worked for microtransactions in every online game?
How has voting with your wallet worked for battlepasses?
How has voting with your wallet worked for unfinished and buggy games and day one DLC?

The only win we managed to get in recent history has been the p2w lootboxes, not because they were not profitable, but because of the huge backlash and publishers being afraid of anti gambling legislation

>>713685291
Bots
Literally 60% of 4chan posts are straight up bots. This number jumps to 90% when a politically charged topic is being discussed.

>>713689467
Game makers: I consent
Millions of people buying dlc: I consent
Some random guy: HELP GOVERNMENT

>>713689467
>How has voting with your wallet worked for cosmetic DLC in single player games?
>How has voting with your wallet worked for microtransactions in every online game?
>How has voting with your wallet worked for battlepasses?
It worked for me.

>>713688757
>UHMMMM WHO'S GOING TO PAY TO MAKE SERVER CONNECTIVITY INFRASTRUCTURE FOR THIS MULTIPLAYER GAME? HMMM SMART GUY??
Are you just completely fucking retarded or are you literally like 16 or something

>>713685291
we're unironically stuck in a war without end on the internet. Fighting fucking bots and shills every single day non-stop.

>>713689641
stop acting like a redditor and answer the question nignog

>>713689580
Every game with aggressive monetization and shit development practices is a good game that was taken away from you, just so shareholders can have marginally better returns
Dodge Brothers vs Ford ruined this country

>>713689467
>>713689580
None of those examples are relevant to this.
If the devs want to take a game and chock it full of fucking DLC, microtransactions, battlepasses and day one DLCs they're welcome.
All they need to fucking do is make sure that if the game requires online, there's an EoS solution to keep it playable after the servers go off. That's all. Everything else is whatever.

>>713685551
I was initially against the wow mob after him because I felt it was too much, and they were hating him for who he is rather than what he did, so i was taking the stance of anti-bullying in a sense, even after disliking him for the smear campaign against the stop killing games initiative, but over time this dude has become so reprehensible I just have no sympathy left for him. I don't doubt that he intentionally misconstrued and tried to permanently damage the stg movement at this point,

>>713689467
>the only time shit worked was when goberments started to get involved
YOU DON'T FUCKING SAY

>>713689710
>Dodge Brothers vs Ford ruined this country
Nobody watches soccer, loser.

>>713689467
Yeah it did, because I did not play those shitty games with those shitty features
You know you're not forced to play games you don't like right?

>>713684667 (OP)
>companies are abusing intellectual property rights to fuck over customers
>so we should make blanket legislation that will make it illegal to create an online game, even in good faith, without putting a big obligation on you if your game fails and you can't afford to run it anymore
>and use the EUSSR as a precedent no less
for the record, piratesoftware is one of the biggest faggots on earth but this still isn't a good idea even if it's well intentioned.
>meet your maker would still be playable if SKG had succeeded!
no, it wouldn't have been made or sold in the EU

>>713689710
I genuinely wonder how the fuck that shit manage to get ruled in favor of those fucking faggot siblings instead of Ford. Genuinely how the fuck.

>>713690000
Wrong, factually. You do not understand the issue.
Just let players run private servers. That's all. Facilitate if you want, but otherwise all you need to do is back off.

>>713689782
The one thing that perfectly showed what a cunt he actually is, was when he played that other MMO, I forgot which one and their party wiped to a boss. No big deal, just try again. He won't let it go, someone fucked up and attacked a mob, which caused the party wipe, who was it? The Loser who did it needs to be called out. Turns out it was him, kek. Suddenly it was the tanks fault. Complete loser and narcissist, fuck him

>>713690068
don't replay to these fags, if by now they don't understand the issue they're either trolls or shills

>>713690317
Why are you shilling theft of games? When you don't play on their official online service, you're stealing, just like emulation is stealing and illegal.

>>713689816
>Nobody watches soccer, loser.
?

>>713690379
>I want to use the product i paid for
>Why are you shilling theft

>>713690462
You're not using it according to the terms and conditions set forth by Nintendo. You're stealing.

>>713685682
>Nobody will remember this in a week
The thing is Jason is extremely thin-skinned and gets upset about everything, so it is very easy to get him to sperg out.

>>713690719
I mean, he saw his mother get beheaded.

>>713684667 (OP)
Not videogames, fuck off.

>>713690000

if it is too much money or effort for the billion dollar corporations to make plans for graceful shutdown/hand-over after a game ends, I'd settle for them having to put a big sticker on the front of the box saying "at any random date we decide this game will stop working entirely and you do not get a refund of your $80"

a sticker on a box costs nothing. Oh, you think that'd have a really negative impact on their marketing and sales? Interesting.

>>713691374
>video game legislation
>not video games

>>713691506
>"I need a big sticker on the box because I can't read an EULA"

>>713690000
>and use the EUSSR as a precedent no less
You do realize Ross picked EU specifically because EU courts don't acknowledge the precedent?

>>713691651
Nothing in the EULA ever says anything about EoL support or lack thereof, you disingenious fuck.
And most EULAs are deliberately written in such a vague way that you'd need a lawyer to understand what are you even agreeing to.

>>713691651
I need to be informed before I buy so I can "vote with my wallet" as the free market supporters suggest. By the time I open the box or see a eula after installing it's too late, you corpo cocksucker

>>713691792
>"I need a big sticker on the box because I don't have common sense"

>>713685027
this ferret diddler would make a great couple with jim sterling

>>713685291
>He's always acting like a smug fucker while being blatantly wrong and constantly banning people in his community.
That's just Reddit.

Friendly reminder that /v/ actively supported Piratesoftware against SKG out of sheer contrarianism.

>>713690000
>no, it wouldn't have been made or sold in the EU
just like steam doesn't work in eu because they were forced to offer refunds?

>>713685027
>>713691891
Funny enough they are funded by the same group

>>713691808
you can read the eula online you stupid dumb retard
>>713691792
Almost every EULA for a live service game will say that the service can be terminated at any time, you are illiterate.

>>713691862
I don't want corporations to delete or destroy things I ostensibly "own"
>nooo you can't, not letting them do that is communism and too hard for them! If you don't like it just vote with your wallet!
ok can i be informed about which ones do it?
>noooo just buy it anyway! you should inherently just know which one can or will do that! nooo you arent allowed to be informed first just buyyyyyy
oh ok you're just a shill/contrarian

>>713691808
Steam has a 2-hour refund window.
Any difficulties are your own fault.

>>713691506
A sticker on a box costs more in lost sales than a small EoS patch that stops the client from checking that you're online every 3 seconds.

>>713691651
EULAs are rarely enforceable or legally binding outside of shitholes with 0 consumer laws. An EULA is the equivalent of taping a "if u enter this house u consent to anal sex" note to your door. If anything it makes your anal rape even more illegal.

>>713685682
But the wow slop drama isn't a week old. You remembered.
Didn't you just contradict yourself?

>>713692117
>tfw it all comes back to porn addicted redditos making porn additction themed false equivalence

>>713685027
Jesus Christ, i had no idea that this faggot was a tranny. Repulsive looking creature.

>>713692068
But unless you buy from Steam, you don't own your games. You're just renting a license elsewhere.

>>713689580
Free market: I consent
Millions of people wishing to work on copyright material: I consent
Some company: HELP GOVERNMENT

>>713692218
But with Steam you ALSO don't own your games. Because the second the Steam servers shut down for one reason or another, you lose all your game library. And Gabe also isn't entitled to explain to you why you just lost your whole library.

>>713692014
KEK, now we all get refunds thanks to the EU and Australia. God bless them! If things were left to the US government we would all be corporate slaves.

>>713685252
'avin a problem, yank?

>>713691651
>>713691862
It is common sense that nobody reads EULA you fucking retard

Buy all your games from GOG. Problem solved.

>>713685027
>liar lies
>retards believe him despite the obviousness of his lies
his body language is that of an obvious liar. only a 5 year old could be more transparent.

>>713692382
To be fair, the US is one of the most anti-consumer countries on the planet.

>>713692415
Imagine actually admitting that you can't read
get a rope and a chair

>>713692359
But Steam is never going to shut down.

>>713692068
All you are demanding is a boilerplate disclaimer on every online game that says what everyone already knows.
If a game is exclusively online, it will only remain available as long as the service, which publishers already warn can be terminated, as they are selling licenses.
There is no possibility of meaningful change of practice.

>>713689816
If you tried to make a joke you failed horribly.
In any case you're retarded and a faggot and should kill yourself asap.

>>713692519
>But Steam is never going to shut down.
I hope you have not bought any videogames on Steam that have permanent Denuvo or always online DRM. People don't realize how shit Steam is.

>>713692519
Sure, honey. And corporations have your best interests at heart.

>>713685334
actually their latest plan is pretty good, they just buy used phones and then spin up ai bots for people to argue with online. Not sure how to defeat this one desu. I saw them testing this kind of infiltration with terms like schizo here on /v/ and other hobby boards and despite decrying it everywhere I saw it, none of you npcs stepped up and now its been adopted by actual key members of this anonymous community (that is to say, its appearing in organic posts). It's kind of concerning to me but I think the only thing I can do is just work on stuff I can work on. I dont have any novel ideas that dont rely on me magically getting control of the site and range banning problem ips.

>>713689580
>tags: mindbreak, hypnosis, ntr

>>713692558
>asap
Mentions some rapper out of the blue.

>>713692462
That's because it favors innovators and entrepreneurs.
Hence most revolutionary technologies and services are American.

>>713692494
Imagine not understanding
I'm using a rope and a chair on your mom

>>713688607
so in order to get people to play my pony game I just need to convince everyone that actually playing a pony game ironically would make them fucking based?

>>713684667 (OP)
So from what I understand this initiative is about some dumb shit games, really dumb. So its just Fortnite TROONS concerned that they might suddenly lose their characters or some shit when developers decide to pull the plug? Or some retarded steam TROON who has twenty five thousand games on his account with 16 million achievements afraid that Gabe might one day shut down steam. You reap what you sow.

>people in this thread would rather more games remain umplayable
>people in this thread would appreciate if valve removed the ability to host your own CS, TF2 servers in favor of their own matchmaking
>there are examples that private servers don't hurt the games
>there are examples that private servers actually save games(see Titanfall 2 Northstar modding framework)
I've yet to hear one good argument against this initiative besides the fact that it gives more power to the government, which is a consequence of investors demanding infinite growth. Kinda funny that if companies just made good games none of this would've happened.
Just wanna play Brawl Busters again, man.

>>713688505
please dont post my 2nd fave with your commie shitheap opinions
>>713686078
newsflash nigger communism and capitalism are identical.

>>713692674
>america favor innovators
Fuck, spilled a mouthful of tea onto keyboard. Funniest shit I've read today.

>>713692691
Yes. I'm not even joking.

>>713687336
The EU passes shit like GDPR that fucked over alot of devs scrambling trying to be compliant by the deadline of two years since it passed. This is LESS work than that since devs, especially indie, already do this kind of shit on their own because they live and die by their communities.

>>713692859
but I dont like being ungenuine.

Games die for a reason.....

>>713685027
Maldavius Figtree, Fucker of Ferrets
I kneel.

>>713686078
>you're not entitled to the game's code.
I'm entitled to being able to play the game I paid for.

>>713692919
Ebin picture. Your husband make it?

>>713689580
>Game makers: I consent
>1 mentally ill whale: I consent
>Millions of people: HELP GOVERNMENT

>>713692792
/v/ is just being contrarian for the sake of it. This is the reason why internet never takes 4chan seriously, the opinions of that userbase aren't worth shit.

>>713692919
They refunded everyone.

again, its funnier if it fails because its going to generate more seething than if it succeeds
corpo shills come and go and don't have real feelings anyway, but /v/ losing its shit is always funny

>>713692919
Kek, very true, could replace concord with some gacha shit as well

>>713693017
/v/ is actually against this initiative, for fucks and giggles.

>>713693064
I wish, I'm getting harassed and bullied pretty hard cause I said I'm not signing it!

>>713692792
In fact wouldn't this mean that I can replay LoL Season 1 again? Miss that OG Twisted Treeline Aesthetic.
Or the original Hunt Showdown before the 1.0. Or original Overwatch.
>>713693000
trips of truth checked
You would think with this much contrarianism people would go contrarian against it itself and be honest.

>>713693064
/v/ is not one person. The hivemind was always a meme.

>>713684667 (OP)
>reddit astorturfing
>kiwifarms astroturfing
>/v/ astroturfing
>every single streamer astroturfing
its gonna be funny when it fails

>>713693002
Yeah because that shit was unsalvageable anyway. Do you really think they would have done any refunds if they could have gotten away with it?

>>713692949
to be fair I dont think he was owned at all. I am disgusted by the criticism insisting hes merely misguided. hes not misunderstanding anything. Everything ferret fucker did and said was an intentional lie. yet all of the biggest supporters of the initiative are gracelessly spending half their videos blowing the guy and saying "he doesn't understand"

>>713686173
>>713686361
The products and services of that era were categorically different (and, yes, better).
You can't force Hollywood to "make good movies again" either, even if you know the recipe.
Your agency as a consumer in deciding the features and qualities of a product or service lies in the decision to purchase it or not and in concerted boycotts.

If your favorite restaurant starts selling literal shit because a bunch of coprophiles moved into the area, you can't make them reprise their old menu.
Slinging shit is simply too lucrative for them.
The "stop killing games" initiative is like petitioning the government to outlaw selling shit (that people are happily consuming).

>>713692352
>concent
unless those companies are paying the developers in SILVER they did not concent.

STOOOOOOOOOP

>>713691891
i truly did not need that mental image. thank you oh so very much.

>>713693197
This, he understands perfectly, he's just a corporate shill

>>713690000
It's not retroactive so the people making games in 2030 know they have to play by new rules in advance.

>>713693156
/v/ likes to pretend that, but you don't have opinion on your own. It takes one trolling ragebaiter arbitrarily declaring something a woke slop to whip the whole board into frenzy.

>>713684667 (OP)
cheers to my fellow eu gamers who refuse to sign this petition, we're gonna kill the gaming industry

>>713693272
>usually releases vid around evening/night USA
>drops a vid at noon (more or less) Europe time
Interesting.

>>713693272
Hah. All the big name YouTubers should all put out a video simply titled"Stop Killing Games" for solidarity.

>>713692840
Yes, Silicon Valley is a prime incubator.
And the high concentrations of capital make investment funding readily available.

I want it to fail (and i already know nothing will come this) because it's going to be funny

niggersoftware is a huge fag either way though.

I signed the petition. But the most likely outcome even if they get the numbers is for the EU cucks to just ignore it. Some industry lobbyist only needs to have a few second word with the major parties and they'll all vote against it.

>>713693494
>Yes, Silicon Valley is a prime incubator.
For wifi juicers and cultural marxism, yes.

>And the high concentrations of capital make investment funding readily available.
>Yeah bro we invested in you, now we own your ass. Oh you want to build a company? Too bad, line must go up, so we will force short-term gain decisions even if that makes you go kill long-term

>>713693342
All of the manifest argumentation and shit-flinging clearly contradicts your notion of a prevailing hivemind.
But that doesn't mean organic consensus is never reached.

>>713693257
But you're dealing with companies who have entire departments specialized in how to better manipulate the consumer and squeeze as much from them as possible without them even knowing they're bleed dry. Something like this initiative is the response to the companies bad practices.
>food analogy
This more like asking McDonalds to go back on using tallow from seed oil and retards claiming that seed oils are better actually.

i didnt know that kiwitroons can be based

>>713685027
>'won'
>is currently in hospital for trying to suicide
>he failed even at that
what a useless cuckold.

>>713693689
why are you screencapping your own posts

>>713684667 (OP)
>taking away your purchases
not to defend the poor billion dollar industry but if you buy a game that is comprised of or mostly an online component expecting it to be up 20 years later you're a fucking retard

>>713693173
imagine being such a brainless contrarian that you'd rather side with EA and Ubisoft than your own consumer rights

>>713685027
...the losing competition

>>713693689
>>713693746
kek

>>713685027
What the fuck was his problem anyway?
Did he have live service games in development or something?

>>713693758
listen man i hate ea and ubisoft as much as every gamer does but i literally dont care about some madden or assassins creed garbage.

>>713693758
nta but i also can't wait for the melt down when it fails, it's going to be kino entertainment.

>>713693815
Say anon, how would you feel if you didn't have breakfast today?

>>713693773
>Skinner's box
May I see it?

>>713689473
C'mon, anon, we are actually training a narrative consensus ai, it's not just "bots".

>>713693803
for all i know it might just have been him being jealous that someone was getting a bit of attention but it wasn't him so he had to sperg out and make it about himself

>>713693858
wouldnt mind it i skip breakfasts sometimes

>>713684667 (OP)
Convince me to sign this. Don't bring e-celebs into it.

>>713693864
No.

>>713693670
>But you're dealing with companies who have entire departments specialized in how to better manipulate the consumer and squeeze as much from them as possible without them even knowing they're bleed dry
This sounds like a much better argument against gacha and gambling, which is a more realistic target.

>>713693971
signing it is anti-semitism

>>713693971
low energy effort to do with the worse outcome being live service slop never gets made again.

>>713693636
Enshittification comes last for any promising concept to maximize ROI.

>>713693971
Its +0.000001% more consumer rights and it makes califori tech companies mad.

>>713693803
He's been making some rpg maker tier garbage for like a decade and it's still not released because he's a fraud and a liar, I don't see why the stop killing games would affect him in the slightest.

>>713694092
>>713694103
>>713694126
nothingburger, doubt ill sign it. ill continue pirating video games and avoiding live service games

>>713694037
Well it's a good thing we can all rally together against bad practices and not foster immediate hostility against movements that are pro-consumer, right?

>>713684667 (OP)
Just play one of the top 20 gachas for free so you don't ever worry about your game going into end of service, and you get free 5-8 hours worth of DLCs every month.

>>713684667 (OP)
>t.

>>713694163
Contrarian piece of shit bootlicker

>>713694134
He's on the twitch and YT grift treadmill. Jason won't actually work unless someone puts a hot iron to his feet- but that sicko might enjoy it so don't do that.

>>713691808
I believe that's actually Zeidenberg's argument in ProCD vs Zeidenberg and ProCD won which is why it's much harder to do something in the US.

>>713694163
Eh fair, but with the push to make all games online only, eventually you won't have non-life service games.

>>713692919
>i could've kept making fun of concord by dangling its shambling corpse if this passed
wtf you got my vote

>>713694232
i've been pirating games my whole life i never actually bought an original game...

>>713694212
Yes, and I'll easily support any with actual promise.
All that this could possibly precipitate is a boldface disclaimer that service will end at some point.

>>713693971
It advocates for an end of life plan for video games that don't have any. It's immediately concerned with live-service games since those are the ones where players simply just lose access to a game they paid for, but given how much game developers want to push for live-service since it's a cash cow as well as take control away from consumers with game streaming or game passes and whatever, it's a good anchor that can help non-live service games in the future too.

>>713694269
Then none of them will even be worth my time, and I can to something more constructive.

>>713694269
With everything being pushed into being online only having this as a foothold against it would be good.

>>713694401
The end of life plan is to retire the game.
At most, they'll be more explicit about that.

>>713694246
I learned of that grifter's existence when apex legend got hacked mid tournament and he started chiming in as a "security expert" to get some viewers and his stuff was being parroted everywhere in the community while being 100% wrong and clearly showing he knew fuckall about what he pretended to be an expert at. Since then I hated the guy for openly spreading misinfo about cybersec and I wasn't surprised to see him pop up on /v/ with other controversies.
A subhuman scum that should be shot. You want to talk shit, fine. Talking shit about things that could make people lose their accounts/banking info isn't fine though and no one seemed to hold him accountable for that.

>>713684667 (OP)
I'm just waiting for the inevitable meltdowns when this fails.

>>713693971
>pay for a single player game
>company shuts down anti-piracy protection server
>money stolen

>>713685337
In the case of Concord, Sony did hand out refunds. Not quite 'money stolen'.

>>713694475
And the point is that simply cutting off access to a game is unreasonable to consumers.

>>713684667 (OP)
I'm not signing this, gaymers have enabled this and they should face the consequences

>>713694753
Well, that obviously isn't true.
"You're not the target audience."

>>713694628
>pay for a single player game
Your mistake.

>>713693803
he is the co-founder of offbrand games, a vidya publisher that incidentally announced that they would publish a furry fighting game that relies heavily on online matches as their first game just a month prior to SKG initiative starting.

>>713695175
The only obvious thing is it's up for debate.

>>713692919
>implying it wouldn't be better if we had a way to play such a legendary dogshit game
>implying it wouldn't be better if there were "/v/ plays concord" threads right now
>implying it wouldn't be better if people created more original content for such a colossal giga tortanic
Total zoomer cattle death.

Sir another plane has hit the roach neat

>>713695463
roach cannibalism....

>>713695390
The matter has been long settled.
"Consumers" made their choice.
The bitter minority are not raging impotently.

>>713695430
god i imagine the kino
bazz posting 24/7 and constant trolling on the servers.

>>713695578
It hasn't.

>>713695578
*now
Diametric words should not be so similar.

>>713693803
Dude is just abusing that youtube algorithm.
>Something is popular?
>Can I be on the popular side and get fame?
>No? I'm gonna be the biggest opposer and get fame from that
>Youtube algorithm takes the comments in his video as "interactions"
>Youtube started recommend his videos
Simple as that.
Dude has zero beliefs and don't give a fuck who win.
He's just there for the attentions.

>>713695578
>The matter has been long settled.
>"Consumers" made their choice.
>The bitter minority are not raging impotently.

>>713695639
Ok.

>>713695463
Oh, he changed the title and thumbnail. >>713693272

>>713695708
Is that really the analogy you want to go with?
Terminating a game service is like using asbestos?

>>713695463
>he changed the thumbnail and name to lean into the drama
I can't even be mad at the guy. He knows what drives engagement.

when the initiative started /v/ jannies kept either deleting or moving every thread to /pol/ for not being vidya and /pol/ jannies just deleted them or shunted them to /bant/ since they were about vidya

Why do ameritards love deepthroating mega corporations so hard when they get literally nothing out of it?

>>713690719
>Jason
damn u guys are tight like that?

>>713685682
everyone hates him compared to a year ago, so you're wrong

>>713693689
>Said the guy on the forum dedicated to bullying e-celebs

>>713695870
their purpose in life is being slaves

>>713685027
>this would just kill the entire liveservice model and industry
Why didn't everyone rejoice and sign ?

>>713695870
They undergo a ritual to be made into golems shortly after birth.

>>713695870
Because laws and regulations should be based on principles not frivolous desires.
A label that warns "service will end" is perfectly sufficient.

>>713696126
Ok, when?

>>713696126
Say, anon, what "principle" was the AWB based on?

>>713695325
>online matches for fighting games
Just to clarify if anyone cares, a company wouldn't need to maintain the online matchmaking component for this. If you could boot up the game and play some arcade/against the AI then that's good enough. Community would likely find a way to do online again anyway

>>713693971
Imagine if publishers were forced to have a "game will be playable until at least X date" disclaimer for paid always-online games. They'd be incentivized to actually make better games that they can be more confident in and not just throw shit with a 1 year expiration date at a wall.

>>713696162
When it's no longer profitable.
If it's within a year, you get a refund (already true).
Take it or leave it.

>>713696126
>service will end
not sufficient
it needs to say something like
>service after 1.1.2027 not guaranteed
or something. it needs a specified date

Does Pirate Software actually rape ferrets?

>>713695870
America is a nation of slaves and slavers. You average American has the slave mentality build into them.
>videogame publishers will keep acting like this in the USA since they know that there will be no push back in the USA
This is why the push for videogame refunds had to come from outside of America. This is why SKG is happening in Europe and not in America. America is not the land of the free, America is the land of the slaves. Slaves to corporations, slaves to the filthy rich. This is why videogame EULAs are legal in the USA.

>>713696251
>If it's within a year, you get a refund (already true).
So if I buy a live-service game from years ago and a month later the servers shut down I can get a refund? That's pretty neat ngl

>>713696276
This!

>>713696292
ferrets as a (sexual) service is not required to have an end of rape plan

>>713696302
>This is why SKG is happening in Europe and not in America. America is not the land of the free, America is the land of the slaves. Slaves to corporations, slaves to the filthy rich.

>>713696276
That's reasonable.

>>713696305
Hence the date.

>>713696302
Stop being a fucking retarded faggot and turning this fucking thing into a "MUH AMERICANS" shit
The reason Americans don't give two shits about movements like this is the exact opposite of what you describe. Americas are individualistic to a fucking fault. Which is why the majority of arguments boil down to
>It doesn't affect me
>I make the choice not to buy
>It's your fault for choosing to buy
Americans don't give a fuck about getting involved in other people's fuck ups. Which isn't always the correct stance, but it is what it is.

At this rate we will maybe get 560,000-570,000 today. Maybe bit more as it is still early hours. If we could get at 600 000 i belive there still a small chance as long as the media attention remain.

>>713696126
What is the principle of erasing a cultural artifact that thousands of people worked on?

>>713685027
Detractors are scared of this guy. I haven't seen "commentary" channels aside from the big ones like Charlie, Mutahar, etc. talk about Maldavius Figtree despite him being an actual lolcow. Meanwhile the detractor channels would target low hanging fruit like LTG, Boogie, Wings or DSP just to make a quick buck.

>>713696181
Read the arguments.

>>713695835
>>713695463
asmongjew is a controlled op and him giving this parasite a platform to spread disinfo on made me think the bill was basically being shoad. guess hes back for another round of table flipping, god bless miyamoto.

>>713684667 (OP)
Oh boy I can't wait for a whole bunch of articles to ORGANICALLY come out at the exact same and accuse Ross of being sexist to cancel the movement like a certain event that happened around 2012.

>>713693716
>>>is currently in hospital
source?

>>713696448
Not being coerced into making a product that will indefinitely cannibalize your own market.

>>713692494
you have never read an EULA in your life

>the king figures out he was being led astray by his scheming eununch and puts him to death
I love this trope.

>>713696419
It's about liberty, including the freedom to make poor choices and to exploit others' poor judgement.

>>713696448
>>713696276
>>713696126
>>713695870
this lie gets spread around too
LSG are being targeted at this bill. the initiative requests legislation to prevent live service games from being killed. not just end of service. yes the guy admits its not likely to make it on a bill, but it's a position worth defending, fuck Gacha niggers.

>>713696419
>Americans don't give a fuck about getting involved in other people's fuck ups.
Every war since the mexican-american war proves you utterly wrong.

>>713696554
older mario games don't stop new mario games from being sucessful, that's a dumb argument

>>713696126
I think the principle of "if you buy the thing you own the thing forever" is one most americans would be behind, but apparently they're too cucked now. Labeling or stating it is a rental rather than a purchase you "own" seems like the easiest solution, and I haven't seen a single argument against that

>>713696503
>sexist
He's an asexual mold entity that reproduces by mitosis, how can he be sexist?

>>713696638
Become a real service with clear subscription periods or provide an end of support date. You can't nebulously be both product and service where it suits you.

>>713696684
That's because Mario games are good and not made to be a service that extracts as much money as possible from paypigs.

>>713696697
>asexual
So he REFUSES to have sex with beautiful heckin trans queens? Fucking bigot!

>>713696646
>implying that didn't deserve America's own interests.

>>713696759
they already have all the yeast they need even without adding mold to the mix

>>713696503
KEK, yeah i can expect corporations to try and pull the ''you're a bigot'', '' you hate trannies'' , ''you're racist'' or ''you're antisemitic'' anytime soon. I be that they are doing their best to link this to trannies somehow so they can destroy the movement from the inside.

>>713684667 (OP)
No, but really, sign it if you can if you live in Europe

>>713696684
Then to save costs by not having to architect the game to work offline or make the server infrastructure simple enough to host on consumer hardware.
Their motive is irrelevant.
You can't dictate the product they make.
You *can* require disclosure and a minimum service life.

The initiative was too baseless and entitled.

HopeGODS!

>>713696994
>if you live in Europe
You need to be able to vote in Europe not just live there.
>people under 18+ can't vote(a lot of younger gamers would've loved to vote)
>people that moved to Europe and don't have EU voter ID can't vote either

>>713687336
There are actual games with completely offline modes that fuck off into the distance when the developers feel like it. You're a retard

>>713697051
>Only 700k to go
Too little, too late.

>>713697027
>You can't dictate the product they make.
I can though

>>713695812
I don't care about analogies, the core of your reasoning is gay and retarded and wrong.

>>713696692
They already specify that they are selling a "license".
The only further obligation is a minimum service life guarantee.

>>713697114
>anon can't into numbers

>>713697114
It's actually 470k to go but it would be better to overshoot in case there are votes that are illegitimate.

>>713697114
You can't count bro, every day that crosses the required 13k per day is a day that makes that daily need for signatures lower.

>>713697051
God please make this succeed.
It would be so fucking funny if it did

>>713685027
blizzard won't hire this retard back

>>713697142
You are welcome to try, but any legislative body will laugh and tell you to boycott or get bent.

>>713697194
If you think all the votes are legit then LMAO.
We want 20% safety margin.

>>713697162
Ok, demonstrate.

>>713697287
>We want 20% safety margin.
(((We)))

>>713697232
>It would be so fucking funny if it did
It would be hilarious. I bet that SONY executives would love for this to happen.

>>713697329
Yes.

>>713697232
Only for the European Parliament to promptly vote it down.

>>713696596
https://www.rockstargames.com/legal#10
>"We may modify, alter, or suspend, or sunset, or terminate (whether in whole or in part) any of our Services"
https://www.ubisoft.com/legal/documents/termsofuse/en-INTL
>"4.1 General. We do not guarantee that the Services will be available at all times, in all locations worldwide, and/or on all devices. We do not guarantee that we will continue to offer any Service for any minimum period of time. We reserve the right to terminate all or part of the Services at any time"
https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/customer/display.html?nodeId=201482650
>"2.7 Modifications. We may change, modify, suspend, or discontinue support for the Games and In-Game Items, in whole or in part, at any time without notice"
You're a retard

>>713697401
Nothing makes the EUP more hard than seeing an opportunity to cock slap big tech. The Parliament is extremely bloodthirsty unlike the corporate Sony whores in the UK.

>>713697353
>I mixed valid points in with strawmen so I can dismiss them without refutation
Great argument.

>>713697401
As long as it makes the ferret rapist have a complete and utter meltdown then I'm okay with it.
Also fuck off with your defeatist bullshit and do the world a favour and take a long walk off a short pier.

You're asking us to save this. Nobody cares, and for good reason.

>>713697503
>Valid points
Ok, buddy.

>>713697434
I can also open an EULA right now, ctrl F terminate/service/suspend and then post what I find here. You have never read an EULA in your life, stop pretending otherwise.

>>713697353
>free market
>cant use anything but fiat
forget killing games, anyone who says this is a free market should be put to death. until every transaction is tied to gold or silver or some other non imaginary resource then it's not real money.

>>713697512
>defeatist bullshit
That would require me to consider it a defeat rather than a victory of liberal principles.

>>713685027
Has he even stated WHY he hates the idea of Stop Killing Games? All the footage I've seen is just him calling it bullshit or dismissing it or saying it's dumb, not once have I seen him give a credible answer as to why he thinks any of this. The closest answer I did find was someone theorizing it was because he's a "game dev" and thinks employing an end of life service to games is impossible but as far as I could tell he only ever worked at Blizzard as a QA employee (basically being a janny in WoW). Why does anyone, any single person, think this literal nobody has any credibility in the games industry?

>>713697551
What's your fucking point you babbling retard?

Anyone know how many GaaS games are currently in developement and might get affected if this initiative gets its signatures and gets a law passes in the next few months? Which videogame publishers are most likely to get affected by this?

we should simply kill all game devs

>>713697551
>I can ctrl F and find exactly where i'm wrong
>you've never read what you posted

>>713697586
>victory of liberal principles
Corporatist principles actually.

>>713697632
>Which videogame publishers are most likely to get affected by this?
The ones you should be boycotting already anyway. Still doesn't hurt squeezing their balls a bit.

You are all disgusting commies.

>>713697623
that you have never read it and never made a purchase deiscion based on it. I never doubted that these lines exist

>>713697516
oatmeal?
sounds yummy.
cant think of a whiter meal than oats and cream

>>713697694
Lmao Marx would fucking keel over and die if he saw direct democracy protecting the customer. Kindly kill yourself.

>>713697586
It is defeatist bullshit when you don't even make the faintest attempt to fight for your right to actually own what you purchase and instead waste your time pissing and moaning and trying to rain on everyone's parade.
Basically you're a corporate cocksucker and a "useful" idiot who holds no real beliefs and never will.

People celebrating this failing is proof that they deserve to suffer. I take no comfort in what happened to video games, but I do take comfort in the fact that it mostly affected bad people who deserve to feel pain anyway.

>>713697740
>It's not my fault that I can't read or understand the concept of a contract

>>713697827
Is this how communists are born?

>>713697804
>a "useful" idiot who holds no real beliefs
He clearly stated what his beliefs are right there in the post

>>713689671
>we're unironically stuck in a war without end on the internet. Fighting fucking bots and shills every single day non-stop.
The flood of Expedition 33 threads was organic and a result of people genuinely loving the game.

>>713697659
Discarding principles because they protect things you dislike is the essence of tyranny.
Without a rigid and inviolable framework, the law becomes a shanty of popular caprice.

>>713697843
it's quite literally not my fault that the agreement isn't presented to the customer until AFTER money has changed hands, possibly irreversibly

>>713697912
He only believes it because that's what the corporations tell him ergo it's not real

>>713697936
EULAs are literally loophole cope contracts created taking advantage of a legal grey area that exists within digital goods. So you agree with me.

>>713697956
Literally nobody geniunely cares about this, Steam refunds exist, and the only games that get shut down are the ones nobody plays anyway

>>713697873
That is the very quintessence, yes.

>>713697985
No he believes it because he understands what it represents to make laws against things you just don't like

>>713698005
>literally no one cares
So... He's right and you're backpedaling to a non-argument.

>>713697956
How many times do you retards need to be told you can read the EULA before you buy the game and even get a refund if you disagree with it? I literally posted a link to three you 70 IQ subhuman. End yourself.

>>713698039
>understands
*misunderstands
Again he's just a corporate cocksucker and so are you

The initiative doesn't ask for or demand public or private servers be maintained forever, or be coerced into some kind of offline singleplayer experience.

It just mandates an "end of life" plan so players know when and how a game will go offline.

>>713698101
Physical point of sale for games has no EULA visible. Go to GameStop and confirm yourself.

>>713697995
EULAs exist because consumers are litigious.
They've gotten so bloated as to be practically meaningless.
But the more regulations there are, the greater the liabilities and the longer the contracts.

I unironically believe that AAA companies would assassinate the person behind a movement like this if it had any actual chance of working, if it came to it.
They've invested decades into manipulation tactics and slowly setting lower and lower standards each year as fast as they could be accepted. They're clearly not worried. They haven't even tried to force a counter narrative, unless you think Piratesoftware is bought. But then, all it took was that ugly, unpopular narcissist to completely derail the movement?

I support stuff like this because I anticipate a harsh crackdown on piracy by governments/big businesses at some point I'm the future, and piracy is basically the only thing preserving a large amount of good videogames

>>713698157
>I don't have the internet but I want to play a live service game, I also can't read

>>713698116
No, there's no misunderstanding
There's people with principles who see the bigger picture and reactionaries just trying to punish people they don't like

Is anywhere ITT aware of how Chet Faliszek is the biggest of all time?

>>713698229
>I anticipate a harsh crackdown on piracy
there's no reason to anticipate this

>>713698150
Won't they just say the bare minimum "we plan to end support for this game in the future, you won't be able to play it" and be done with it

>survival of the fittest
>social darwinism
don't let my heckin' shitty games nobody plays die!!!!!

>>713698273
The ferret rapist is deserving of punishment for his assassination of SKG and the other shit he's done.

>>713698317
they dont want to say even that because it would potentially scare customers away.

>>713698359
Well at least you admit you're just a torch waving member of the mob instead of someone with intelligence or principles

>>713698317
The bare minimum right now is flipping the switch without informing anybody.

>"If buying isn't owning, then piracy isn't stealing"

Oh yeah? So if you give a prostitute money, does this entitle you to rape her for the rest of her life?
Fucking retard.

>>713684667 (OP)
I don’t care because it’s only games I don’t play.

>>713698185
>if you were complacent cattle and your governments didn't attempt to out our bullshit we wouldn't need 30 pages of legalese to defend our scam, goy
Lmao kill yourself

>>713698424
Who are you quoting?

>Jason Hall passed away June 26, 2025, at the age of 40.
It's over.
RIP

>>713698353
The shit I buy shouldn't become unusable just because it isn't trending on TikTok, zoomzoom

>>713698150
wrong
the game has to be in a "reasonable playable state" which is retarded and vague

>>713698424
hey bud, I paid for a month of WoW, now they're saying I can't play it 31 days later?
STOP KILLING MUH GAMES

>>713698150
the developer cannot know when their game will go offline until after it has sold copies and they can measure its success.
worst case it could be like 2 weeks e.g. concord.
so it makes sense to just say "we may shut it down at any time" which is already typical EULA

>>713698391
Better than being a cocksucker who doesn't want to own anything.
Enjoy being nothing but niggercattle for the rest of your life

>>713698424
Piracy was never stealing, it's copyright infringement. You're actually not allowed to call it stealing or theft or you'd get rightfully bullied by the judge.

>>713698502
You can't "own" a video game you idiot it doesn't physically exist

>>713698424
A prostitute is a service. A game is a good.

>>713698317
Or they could just fucking release the ability to private server stuff once EoS is reached.

>>713698391
>intelligence or principles
You're clearly a fucking weasel, but you have no principles to speak of.

>>713698498
It doesn't even ask that there be an "end of life" plan before release.

>>713698317
That's where the specific laws kick in to enforce the company to be *specific* about the cessation of the EoL support.
Exact dates and shit.

>>713698528
I can physically hold the cartridges and the discs.
Therefore it does physically exist and thus own it

>>713698482
Because the CI isn't a law. Lawmakers will make the law and define what's the edge then. It's not really up to Ross.

>>713698528
>it doesn't physically exist
Do people like you think data isn't a physical thing? Why do you think we need storage mediums? Just because it's infinitesimally tiny and weightless does that mean it doesn't physically exist? Does air not exist?

>>713698502
I own a house, something that actually matters, not some shitty video game from 12 years ago I'll never touch again.

>>713698529
A car is also a good but you still need to do regular maintenance on it or it will become useless.

>AAAAAAAAAH SAVE ME CAR COMPANY. YOU HAVE TO REPAIR MY CAR FOR FREE FOR THE REST OF MY LIFE BECAUSE I GAVE YOU MONEY AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHI'MGAY

>>713698529
the disc is a good, the server is a service
you know, like the word SERVE
Actual 80 IQ retard

>>713698482
What's retarded or vague about that? A game is either playable or unplayable after EoS.

>>713698652
So... When you buy a car can the company remotely brick it, retard?

>>713698652
It's reasonable to expect a repair manual and aftermarket parts. What's being asked for is the game equivalent.

>>713698435
>By accepting this agreement, I acknowledge access to online services can be terminated for saying "nigger".
>*Accept*
>...
>"Nigger"!
>You have been banned for saying "Nigger".
>WTF?! Nobody told me I couldn't do that! Money literally STOLEN! I'm gonna sue!

>>713698618
Alright then I hope one day in the future you get a call from the bank or a realtor telling you that you suddenly don't own your house despite buying it and paying off the mortgage.
See how you fucking like it then

>>713698675
Unfortunately that is not disclosed at point of sale for many titles bought physically, making them directly violate the European Misleading Advertisement Directive
>but it's on the back of the box!
It has to be clearly visible.

>>713698703
then opening the menu cand pressing connect is "a reasonable playable state"

>>713698710
>>713698737
You're just mad that you can't leech off of developers and publishers for free just because you dropped 50 bucks on a game 15 years ago.

>>713698652
Terrible analogy. It's more like if the car company confiscated your car and didn't even give you the option to maintain it yourself

>>713698765
>actually defending that
Hi Jason.

>>713698652
A game doesn't need maintenance

>>713698786
Nope, because I read the contract and know what I paid for.

>>713698793
>back of the box or online
>not clearly visible
I'm sorry that the government has to step in to solve your retardation

>>713698765
>sue the company
>win because illegal shit in an EULA or ToS isn't enforceable

>>713698848
>bitrot doesn't exist
>SSDs and HDDs don't degrade
>computer components will always stay functional
lmao. lol, evenmaybe.

These threads are the best example of the campaign to destroy chans. You see the autist trying to destroy any discussion posted in the same easily identifiable way, either it's a group, a bot, or just a single guy with no life. You can see that at least 33% of all posts in this thread were made by him (who has no interest in the subject, he is interested in making the board uninteresting to other users.), and the fucking moderators, who are completely oblivious, do nothing.

>>713698891
For purposes of this part, “clear and conspicuous” means that a disclosure is difficult to miss ( i.e., easily noticeable) and easily understandable by ordinary consumers. * * * In any communication using an interactive electronic medium, such as social media or the internet, the disclosure should be unavoidable

>>713698424
No because the money I payed that prostitute was for a specific amount of hours of sex, not a lifetime deal
I mean, I guess you could pay a prostitute for a lifetime of sex...I guess that's marriage.

>>713697603
he co-founded a game publishing company along with another tuber (that does all the work) mere months prior to SKG. skg mainly impacts publishers

>>713698609
Caveman fucking response, the game is a configuration of data than can be endlessly replicated, not the physical object that stores a copy of it

>>713698765
That's not how it works, because terms of agreement are not law. You can't just write anything you want in the EULA and expect people to be compliant with it. There is actually a specific EU law that prevents it.
Therefore Blizzard stating in their EULA that they can revoke your game licence under any pretext would be illegal in Europe. That's why USA is a third world country.

>>713698960
>buy online game
>don't go online to check EULA
you're a retard

>>713698940
>you lose your copy of the game
That's your problem

>>713698652
You know what you're absolutely right.
I shouldn't be expected to be able to have the right to repair my vehicle.
I should be expected to buy a new one whenever the one I own breaks down.

>>713698482
How is it "vague"
Any game can easily be made single player. Even an MMO can be made single player easily.

>>713697603
He doesn't hate it, probably even supports it. That won't make him special though which is what matters. He's special now because he's "the voice of reason" regardless of how wrong it is.

>>713699021
>the disclosure should be unavoidable
Corporate cuckold gets fucked! Love to see it.

>>713698970
>all women are prostitutes
And here the "stop killing games" movement reveals their hand. Just a bunch of raging misogynists that want to get shit for free because they're entitled manbabies who want to keep playing with their bing bing wahoo toy for the rest of eternity.

I've been in a coma for 9 years. What are they doing to video games?

>>713699065
>probably even supports it
>first time the retard saw it he literally said it was ass and he was going to tell everyone to sabotage it
Yeah I don't think that's right chief.
>>713699102
They're doing a Darkspore.

>>713699037
Yes. Updated and new technology is better. Your presence on the road is a liability while you're in that dingy ass rustbucket that you bought five years ago.

>>713698482
>vague
What is vague about it nigger? You must be able to play the game and by reasonable this obviously means you need to actually be able to PLAY and not just launch it which i am sure some publishers would try and to.

>>713699102
Forcing you to play always online on official servers that they can take down on a whim

>>713699005
Can you say "nigger" in online games licensed in the EU without Interpol raiding your house?

>>713699065
He's the voice of a tranny, not reason

>>713699174
Honestly can't tell if you're being ironic or just retarded.

>>713698995
Oh I'm sorry I didn't know physical media didn't actually count as physical fucking media.
How do you manage to live when you suffer from braindead retardation

>>713699189
Yeah, I play Helldivers 2 with an American

>>713699235
What does this even mean?

>>713699186
What's even funnier is that they are now doing this for singleplayer games that have ZERO reason to have online components.
>this singleplayer game you bought
>you can't play it now
This thing personally pisses me off and i hope SKG passes so we can finally be rid of this shit videogame publishers are trying to pull.

>data doesn't physically exist
this is the man who would say atoms don't exist because you can't see them.

>>713699289
No what do you mean.
How does physical media not count as physical media?

>>713698526
Retards will never understand what you just said.

>>713699189
>Can you say "nigger" in online games licensed in the EU without Interpol raiding your house?
Yes, i can.

I wish the jannies were a bit more active about banning obvious trolls

>>713699085
Go ahead and screencap this too. Faggot, nigger, kike, spic, cunt.

>>713699325
Data can be endlessly replicated at no cost

>>713699189
Obsession with niggers is an American thing.

>>713699189
Yeah, I can. Can you boycott Israel?

>>713699338
I don't understand the question

>>713699406
>electricity and storage space doesn't cost money

>>713699460
Then a game would be worth 0.001 cents

>>713699406
>no cost
Energy. Ever heard of a plant buddy?

>>713699434
You do understand you just don't have a way to refute it.
Just look at you now trying to weasel your way out of it.
Unless you are admitting to everyone here that you are indeed a braindead retard

>>713699521
No I have literally no idea what the fuck you're talking about, physical media is physical media, it's the same word

>>713699550
>smartest jason shill

>>713699550
Okay thanks for admitting that you're a braindead retard.
Have a nice life, however long that may be.

>>713699610
Who is Jason?

nother one

>>713697098
We're supposed to be over 18 here.
Second point is fair.

>>713699624
>actual European
This might be our make or break moment.

>>713699616
You have literally no idea how to communicate
I have no idea what "physical media" means in your small little brain
The physical media stores a copy of the data that represents the game, an intellectual concept, this data can be copied endlessly
You buy a license to to play the game, owning the physical media has nothing to do with it

>>713699667
He's Canadian.

>>713684667 (OP)
qrd? what's it about?

>>713699763
Forcing publishers to have end of life plans for vidya with online
Whether that be shit like MMOs or hero shooters, or games that require online connection to run their single player like some ARPGs.

>>713699763
A law to make it illegal for companies to make games you bought unplayable. For example you can no longer play Dark Spore even if you bought it because the authentication server was shut down. The law would require devs to allow people to play it either single player or host their own server

>>713699690
So... is a book a license? It's a physical medium containing data (noun a piece of information.) that can be copied endlessly.

Where do you even sign this shit?

/v/ contrarianism has gone to far. I’m supposed to believe that companies stealing games I bought 10 years ago is “Reddit” now? Get out of here.

>>713698953
They are not oblivious. They are in on it.

>>713685027
I hate this insufferable faggot so damn much

>>713699840
Just look up stop killing games on Google it's the first search result.

>>713699834
Nah with books you just own the book

>>713699834
>is a book a license
Yes? Were you not aware of this?

Mods should make a pinned thread with info about this

>>713699921
At least they aren't nuking the bread.

>>713699904
>>713699910
HAHAHAHAHAH should've coordinated better shill bros!

>>713699690
Owning the physical media has everything to do with it you malformed troglodyte.
I physically own the fucking video game it is mine.
The data that is stored on the disc or cartridge is physically fucking stored there.
Of course the fucking data can be fucking endlessly copied because you can fucking make fucking backups of it.
It doesn't change the fact that I physically tangibly own the damn thing.

>>713684667 (OP)
Be realistic, it was always gonna die because a petition means nothing. Even if the European Commission is obliged to consider the petition, it doesn't mean they'll do anything about it except give you an answer about how it's very important, but it's not a priority for us at the moment.

>>713699934
He couldn't stop killing games but he killed his career

>>713699652
>We're supposed to be over 18 here.
Yes but /v/ is not the only place where SKG is getting visibility. Remember that Youtube exists and gamers that are underage watch youtube videos. I am sure that at least a few underage gamers would've loved to be able to vote for SKG(if they understood what SKG would mean for the future).

>>713699921
You're lucky you guys didn't get the GG treatment

>>713693803
he's a literal nepo baby, most likely to straight up be a literal shill

>>713700007
Unlike with gamer gate there's no one retarded enough to say this is a hecking evil harassment campaign except for a gay furry.

Actually, europe deserves all the bad things

>>713699986
Yeah it's not like the EU has a history of making big companies their bitch or anything

>>713690020
Guarantee you it involved the military somehow

>>713699985
Legally "the video game" is intellectual property
You own the physical media, and you have a license to play the video game
You do not own the video game

>>713694317
one day you won't even be able to pirate because 99% of games will be love service always online that is almost impossible to get to work without using goldberg inc.'s servers

>>713700048
Not over something as irrelevant to the government as live service video games

>>713699882
i had forgotten about those cheese pizza posters trying to get threads deleted
somewhere out there a game publisher has a secret stash of cp and some wagie as an emergency plan to shut down unwanted discussion

>>713700042
There are literally 5 threads about this right now.
You are a spamming piece of shit.
I'll be happy when this petition fails.

>>713700094
I do own the video game you slippery little bastard and nothing you say or do can prove otherwise

>>713700101
Shit, you're right, live service shit is an exclusively videogamey problem

>>713700097
This is why i hope SKG works and gets the needed amount of signatures. That will futureproof videogames against videogame publishers becoming more and more predatory.

>>713699821
>>713699823
won't the usual methods around that still work though? like selling the title to a throwaway company and close it anyway i dunno

>>713699986
Lol, it'd go down like this
Germany, Hans Zegenzauer (91): I fucking hate ze americanz, move forward
France, Samir Bordeaux-Trivetre (37): I am also, not uh fond of zem
Spain, Jose Capote (41): Àpple bricked my AiPhone! Fuck em!
And so on and so forth.

>>713700167
Are you a fucking hillbilly or something? The law objectively exists, a video game is intellectual property owned by the people who made it, you have a license to play it, that's it
These are facts, not opinions

>>713699981
>>713699904
You're both faggots for different reasons
A book is no different from a game. It's product you're entitled to use ad infinitum (supposedly) but you don't OWN the contents of the book. You can't go around printing a book and then reselling the prints. Heck people get in all manner of shit for reprinting school manuals for later use, and public libraries have gotten into shit over it too. Never mind science articles and other such shit.
At the end of the day, physical media makes it easier to use what you bought since it means they can't just cut you off with a flip of a switch, but you don't OWN it. Ownership implies something entirely different from a legal standpoint.

>1 month left
>need to double the vote count
Yeah I don't think that's happening

>>713700094
No one is seeking to own the fucking intellectual property. I OWN a copy of the intellectual property which I may use as I see fit except for things that violate LAW, not cope corporate EULA.
>>713700221
Owning a copy of the work isn't owning the intellectual property of the work you slimy fuck. No one is arguing that and you're a strawmanning snake.

>>713684667 (OP)
>No, I don't think consumers deserve rights
>Yes, I do think companies should get away with whatever they want including stealing/destroying what I boight with my money
Geniunly, why is this a common belief with Americans?

>>713684667 (OP)
I'm not supporting it simply because he's asking the EU, the most dystopian, anti-democratic supranational entity that actively steals money, sovereignty and rights from european citizens.

>>713698273
>the bigger picture being assfucked until eternity
Stop using your phone, pc, internet, drink no more water and dear lord do not eat anything you bought since all of that shit is regulated since otherwise corpos would fuck you so hard you'd be dead within a fucking week you massive fucking retard.
You niggers can never, ever argue in good faith. You fucking know that you're wrong on every level yet still do it.
So either you have stocks in sony and co or are just so batshit stupid it's a miracle you still haven't forgotten to breathe.
You massive fucking idiot.

>>713685027
>even contrarian 4chan can't pretend defend this guy
You guys are alright sometimes

>>713700281
>I OWN a copy of the intellectual property
No you don't. You can't "copy" intellectual property. You can copy physical data (but you can't own it). You own the physical medium the data is on. You have a license to play the game.

>>713699934
surely he actually released a game if he won that award...

>>713700337
Some things should be regulated and some things shouldn't
Video games shouldn't be regulated, this is my honest opinion, sorry you find that hard to deal with

>>713700262
>Ownership implies something entirely different from a legal standpoint.
Ownership is the state or fact of legal possession and control over property, if I purchase a copy of a copyrighted work, I have property, POSSESSION of that copy. You are not in any right to remove it from my possession.
>BUT YOU CAN'T REPLICATE IT
No one is arguing that you can, copyright law exists to protect artists from that, and I support it. What I don't support is you making a disgusting, slimey argument that implies ANYONE thinks ownership of a replication is not real and always needs to be a license.

>>713700221
And it's a fact that I own the disc and/or the cart.
Therefore I own the video game.
I am not talking about owning the IP.
I don't want the IP.
I am just stating that I physically own a copy of the video game or the software and it is permanently mine until the day the disc rots or the heat death of the universe

>>713700331
This, we should leave being a dystopian, anti-democratic supranational entity that actively steals money, sovereignty and rights from european citizens to the big american corporations. I obviously support TTIP. And I am trans, if that matters.

>>713700396
>if I purchase a copy of a copyrighted work, I have property, POSSESSION of that copy. You are not in any right to remove it from my possession.
That's not how it works

>>713700347
doesn't work like that outside of murica

>>713700431
>And it's a fact that I own the disc and/or the cart.
>Therefore I own the video game.
Wrong, because a video game is IP

>>713700390
>Video games shouldn't be regulated, this is my honest opinion, sorry you find that hard to deal with
Good thing it's not about regulating video games, but shitty business practices.

>>713700347
>You can't "copy" intellectual property.
Do you know what a copy is? Do you know what "owning a copy" means? Do you know why we refer to game sales, DVD sales, CD sales as "copies sold"? Because they are legally sanctioned copies produced for mass consumption.
>You own the physical medium the data is on.
I own the physical medium AND the data inside. I may do with that data what I see fit within the confines of the law. But EULAs are NOT law.

>>713700493
That's literally how it works everywhere that has IP law

>>713700507
In other words regulating video games

>>713700457
That is exactly how it works. Pass a law course retard. Spreading unsanctioned copies is a punishable crime, which is why I specified the LAW.

>>713700518
You can't "own" data. Data isn't property or intellectual property. You own the physical media (which is property), and you have a license to play the video game (which is intellectual property).

>>713700338
>defending a furry that can't even finish his shitty undertale ripoff gamemaker game
i've stooped low but even i have limits

>>713700624
>You can't "own" data
Lol

>>713700390
If the companies can't be trusted to regulate themselves then it should fall on the government to forcibly regulate them.
>>713700495
I still own a copy of the video game.
A COPY
Get it.
Owning a copy does not mean I own the IP.
It means that I own my own COPY of the video game.
If you're not going to argue with anyone in good faith then you should make like a tree and fuck off.

STOP ATTACKING THE BULTIMILLION DOLLAR COMPANIES

>>713700721
What are the legal ramifications of selecting some files and pressing Control+C Control+V?

>>713700281
Anon if you owned the game you'd be able to do what you will with it including make copies of it to resell it.
You don't own that game, you own the specific copy and that's that. You've got to spot conflating ownership in the big sense and ownership of the specific copy because that's part of the reason this shit gets so bogged down.
Ownership, by the way, is IRRELEVANT for this mess. I don't want to own the fucking game. I just want the corpo to guaranty I can keep playing my copy.
>>713700396
It 100% always needs to be a license to use the work. It simply cannot be a license that can be revoked. That simple

>>713700752
>It means that I own my own COPY of the video game.
You own physical media, you have a license to play the video game (which is IP)

>>713698317
No one will buy something that is going to end in x days, hence the corp shills.

>>713700624
>You can't "own" data.

>>713700814
You're doing the thing again.
You are being willfully ignorant.

>>713700980
yea you can and you do. what your license doesn't have is the right distribute said software

>>713698538
It's so funny how a lot of the zoomers and stuff I've seen defend these practices don't grasp the fact that. was never a problem until recently. But their scope of knowledge is only the past five years or at worst 5 minutes of what's happened

>>713684667 (OP)
>>713685027
finally
WE
WILL
OWN
NOTHING
AND
BE
HAPPY
YAAAAAASSSSSS

>>713701069
Ignorant of what? You don't seem to understand what ownership entails. The video game is IP. You do own something when you buy a physical copy of a video game, but it's not the video game. It could be a dumb client that connects to a server, and the owners of the server could shut down their server and your client would be useless. And then you would say "but I own the video game, I'm entitled to have it work". But you don't own it

>>713701138
Well yes, before we had everything digital shit didn't matter
Even books. You brought up books, and nobody's gonna come into your fucking house and take book copies away or god forbid update your copies to reflect a recent print or edition. But ebooks? Goddamn right you can get fucked in the ass. Legally even.
Science articles and school manuals though, that's the big one. Libraries get into shit all the time over those.

>>713701212
>You do own something when you buy a physical copy of a video game, but it's not the video game.
Oh yeah right my bad the video game I bought was actually a music cd.
Are you for real?

>>713701212
That's where you're being retarded yourself
If they sell you a fucking game, the game needs to work period, forever, end of fucking story?
>Oh but muh servers can't work forever
Cool, make it so the game works offline once you're done hosting servers. Fucking Thor brought up FF14 as if that game couldn't easily be made to run entirely offline with just a few numbers adjustments on the dungeons and raids. Heck not even since with the thrust system you'd just need that implemented everywhere.

>>713701313
How many times do I have to tell you a video game is intellectual property
You own a physical disc, you may have legal rights in that the data on the physical disc needs to match the data that is the physical manifestation of the intellectual property that is a video game, but you don't own a video game

>>713701385
>If they sell you a fucking game, the game needs to work period, forever, end of fucking story?
There's no law that says so

>>713701419
No I own a physical COPY of the video game dipshit.
Get it fucking right

>>713701476
Legally you don't because a video game is IP, you own a license to play it
You're just going round and round in circles

>>713701446
Yes, which is why this fucking initiative was created.

>>713701518
Pretty dumb idea
Why should game developers be required to constantly mantain their games for free
Nobody else is required to sell products that work forever

>>713701582
Retard. Nobody is asking for this. They are asking for the ability to maintain the game to be given to the consumer. If the developer does not want to support said game anymore they should let the people who bought the game be able to support it with private servers.

>>713701515
I'm going in circles because you can't disprove the fact that I physically own a copy of a video game.
It doesn't have anything to do with owning the IP.
It never had anything to do with that.
Like how many times must it be stated that owning a COPY of something does not mean you own the IP.
God you're such rat fucking bastard you know

>>713701582
>Why should game developers be required to constantly mantain their games for free
They're not, they're just required to make sure the game runs offline. That's all they need to fucking do
For example. It's not their job to guaranty you maintain a copy of that game. If your disk borks? That's on you. If Steam goes belly up and you can't download the game off Steam anymore? That's on you.
But if the game requires access to publisher/dev maintained servers and they no longer want to maintain that? Make it so it doesn't need that access.

>>713701752
>They are asking for the ability to maintain the game to be given to the consumer.
Nobody else is required to do this for their products either
Games don't work forever, old games don't work on newer operating systems

>>713701768
>you can't disprove the fact that I physically own a copy of a video game.
Look into IP law, read the EULA that comes with the games you buy

>>713701816
dumb fucking zoomer retard

>>713701515
This is utterly deranged thinking that equates digital=No ownership.
>You bought a book on Kindle? You don't own the book just the IP.
>You bought an album in Apple Music? You don't own those songs, just the IP.
You're a genuine scumbag.

>>713701847
A EULA is not legally binding.

>>713701768
You're going in circles because you're the one that needs to bend. So long as you claim owning a copy isn't own a license you're going to be constantly confronted with the fact you're legally wrong.
You own a license. Period. The fact it's through physical media doesn't change the letter and intent of the law.
The goal here is not NOR SHOULD IT BE to change this fact. Merely to make sure that if you own a damn license, that's a lifetime thing that cannot FOR ANY REASON WHATSOEVER be revoked or denied access to. Just like if you own a book, they can't deny you access to your fucking book by going into your house and taking it.

>>713701419
in eu everything is either goods or service
software is treated as goods

nobody is claiming that owning a good gives you the ownership of the ip. if you buy a car you own that car but don't have the right to start manufacturing them and selling them using the name.

>>713701847
>The contract says they can do this.
If the company made a contract saying they can rape your mother, I don't think that suddenly makes it legal.

>>713701847
>EULA

>>713701914
Yes it is you dumb fuck, why else would they exist?
Here's one you can read:
https://www.ubisoft.com/legal/documents/eula/en-US
Some quotes:
>THIS PRODUCT IS LICENSED TO YOU, NOT SOLD.
>All title, ownership rights and intellectual property rights in and to the Product (including, without limitation, all text, graphics, music or sounds, all messages or items of information, fictional characters, names, themes, objects, scenery, costumes, effects, dialogues, slogans, places, characters, diagrams, concepts, choreographies, videos, audio-visual effects, domain names and any other elements which are part of the Product, individually or in combination) and any and all copies thereof are owned by UBISOFT or its licensors.

>>713702000
Contracts aren't above the law you idiot

>>713685027
I kneel.

>>713702031
Still doesn't change the fact that it wouldn't hold up in court.

>>713702148
So long as the contract is legal (which that is), then it will hold up in court
You have literally no idea what you're talking about

>>713702063
Yeah, that's my point.
A contract or EULA isn't innately the end all-be all line that determines legality if the contract is unreasonable or breaking preexisting law.

>>713702213
EULAs aren't legally binding.

>>713702264
Yes they are, you have no idea what you're talking about

>>713702292
No they aren't

>>713702031
>why else would they exist?
To scam retarded people who are not aware of their rights.

>>713702292
Source?

>>713702326
You know nothing about the law and are simply repeating dumb shit you heard 4chan users say
Type "Are EULAs legally binding" into Google and enlighten yourself

>>713702397
So now you result to google having to do your arguments for you.
What's it like being born with no sense of shame?

>thread about EU law
>some retarded burger sperg spergs out about burger EULA bullshit
nobody cares faggot, go be retarded elsewhere

>>713702478
Argument? This is simply a fact. I told you they're legally binding. If you want proof, Google it and see what actual lawyers say.

>>713702530
And it's simply a fact that you're a bullshit artist

>>713702597
Type it into Google bro

>>713702031
You can't sign off your rights you dumb nigger
You can't sell yourself to slavery, any contract having such a clause would be automatically void
Consumer rights are rights too, and there are consumer protection laws that will always take precedence over whatever the fuck you can write in an EULA
Some years ago a company did a funny and added a clause to the EULA that said "by accepting these term and conditions you sell your soul to us", you think that shit has any legal weight? Get real retard

>>713702530
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/End-user_license_agreement
>Enforceability of EULAs has been a controversial issue and varies by jurisdiction. In the United States, it is possible to enforce a EULA that is shown to the customer after purchase, but this is not the case in Germany. European Union law only allows for enforcement of EULAs insofar as they do not breach reasonable customer expectations.

>>713702635
>You can't sign off your rights you dumb nigger
That's right
But you don't have a right to play a video game forever

>>713702629
How about you go fuck yourself.

>>713702148
If course it would hold up in court you fucking idiot. It's copyright.
It's not some bullshit "we can harvest your organs" nonsense like you think it is EVERY PIECE OF MEDIA SOLD TO A CONSUMER is a licence, so even if there wasn't an EULA to agree to you would still only have a licence for the game and that's world wide so you can't use
>lmao murrica
As an excuse.

Why are you SKG supporters such fucking ignorant corpo cocksuckers? You wouldn't even need this initiative if you just looked into what you were buying.

>>713702665
Why? Because I'm right and you're a little baby?
Grow the fuck up man, this is embarassing

>>713702687
Yeah nah you're just talking shit

>>713702653
>European Union law only allows for enforcement of EULAs insofar as they do not breach reasonable customer expectations.
Anon, that means everything applicable to actual law is enforceable you fucking moron.

>>713702753
Okay go on and explain how without looking like a desperate American nigger.

>>713702828
Only american niggercattle give a shit about EULAs

>>713702754
>insofar as they do not breach reasonable customer expectations
Learn to read.
Unless of course you think it's reasonable expectation for the thing you payed for to become unusable 10 years down the line for no reason

>>713702931
You need to find an actual definition of what "reasonable customer expectations" is here

>>713703005
Holy shit you DO think it's in any way reasonable to loose access to a game you payed for 10 years down the line for no reason

>>713703005
It's whatever me as a customer reasonably expect

>>713703084
No I don't

>>713702660
if we treat games like products i get to keep the product forever, like a CD, a book, a VHS, and play it forever
If we treat games as services consumers need to be aware of the end of service date
If a GaaS has a subscription, fine, your terms are clear.
If it's a one time purchase, sold with a perpetual license, and in 2 years the publisher pulls the plug making me unable to play my game, that's a scam
And you're a cuck for defending this practice

>>713685213
>>713685027
I thought this was yms.

>>713703152
I defend the right of businesses to practice whatever business model they want so long as it's honest, personally I don't like GAAS, but you always have the option to not buy these games

>>713703213
Nah this guy fucks rodents.
YMS just fucks dogs.

forsen

these threads are perfect evidence of how compromised this site is by corpo shills

>>713703231
How is any of this honest?

>>713703361
If they tell you what you're getting into then it's honest

>>713703231
>so long as it's honest
So you ARE against them after all. Good thing we agree.