Nobuo will say what the rest deny.

hourly schizo thread.

They gave too much power to zipper fetichist Nomura. THAT was the mistake.

>>713689384 (OP)
if sakaguchi is so great then why wasnt he able to make a good game after he left square?

>>713689483
if Square is so great then why wasnt they able to make a good game after he left square?

>>713689384 (OP)
>getting back on their feet
When did that happen?

>>713689483
Lost Odyssey was good, but not great.

>>713689483
Dude, Lost Odyssey and The Last Story are great

Their output has been pretty fucking dire since the mid 2000s to be fair, especially their flagship titles

>>713689384 (OP)
If Sakaguchi is so great then where is Sakaguchi II???

>>713689474
Pointing Nomura as a director was their biggest mistake

>>713690163
His name is Naoki Yoshida

>>713690014
its XIV that keeps them a float but even that game is in a mess right now.

>>713689384 (OP)
He got fired from his own series

>>713689483
He's said before he is now spooked by AAA dev and will never make a new game beyond being basically mobile level.

>>713689384 (OP)
Who the fuck is this and why are there two twitter screencap threads from him up right now? Why did you hide the date, likes, and retweets? Why are you such a fucking faggot?

>>713691336
Why do you even come here if you dont know the gooch? Seriously, lurk more.

Bullshit. They haven't made a banger game since FF7. It all went downhill when they abandoned Nintendo. They've been cursed ever since.

>Believe me, Square totally collapsed after Sakaguchi got booted out
>Which is why the company expanded into a supercorporate giant while Sakaguchi sank into irrelevancy in a couple of years when people found out he was a hack fraud
So much for the big boss uh

Sakaguchi had his faults, but he also had a clear vision and a set of themes for the games in the series. Shinto-inspired animism, memento mori, man vs nature, it goes through all his works.

Ironically, the only mainline FF since then that managed to touch the same themes is 16.

>>713693672
>expanded into a supercorporate giant
merging with several companies and reselling their decades old games over and over is definitely a great way to make money, but clearly not a great way to run a company that wants to actually make anything new which is why the last 6 final fantasy games have either been total development clusterfucks that take 6-10 years to come out or mmo's and why some fucking frenchmen can make tons of money just by saying "hey, remember final fantasy 10? we made that with parrying"

>>713689637
Delayed to 2035. Please understand.

>>713693672
sakaguchi run squaresoft made 50 games for the ps1 alone over 6 years. it takes modern square enix nearly 4 years just to remake dragon quest 3 with HD-2D graphics, which is a videogame that came out on the NES 37 fucking years ago

>>713689384 (OP)
I read Hironobu as an engrished honourable and started giggling like mad

>>713693672
get a load of this delusional retard

>>713695249
it was only like 2 years ago square was releasing a game every month and about 10/12 were garbage. Not to mention how many of those 50 were actually good, and how many were Ehrgeiz?

>>713689637
FFX? FF14? Company is bigger than its ever been

Always bet on DA GOOCH.

>>713695731
Those games are 50y old.

>>713689384 (OP)
Creating a work environment that can't function without you is not a quality of a good leader.

>>713689384 (OP)
Nobuo is so fucking based. I love this guy

>>713694908
FF16 is a good game. People were too easily rabble roused into hating on the game that peoppe basically made up their minds about before it even released.

>>713689384 (OP)
Sakaguchi is the man

>>713696416
it's the quality of a smart leader because you passive-agressively threaten the company to not lay you off

>>713690230
Lmao you are delusional as fuck

>>713689384 (OP)
How many people bought Fantasian?

>>713693527
Nintendo has nothing to do with lmao

the gooch was good put he really fucking screwed the pooch with spirits within

>>713695617
don't talk shit about Ehrgeiz.

>>713689462
>b-b-but the normalfag audience of cattle really liked it!
compelling argument, you really put OP in his place

>>713696495
If it's so good why did it kill the franchise?

>>713689483
That isn't even that exceptional, great leaders require great employees and vice versa, and both get worse when they are separated from each other.
As another example, John Lasseter made nothing but absolute kino at Pixar. After he was ousted from Pixar, Pixar's quality plummeted - but John Lasster also has not made a single good movie in his post-Pixar career. It was the perfect storm at both Pixar and Square that created their past glories.

>>713697431
I wanted that game so fucking bad growing up but the one time I saw it at a store I also saw chocobo dungeon and got that instead.

>>713696495
It's a button masher with cooldowns.

>>713689483
Lost Odyssey was good, but yeah 1 out of many (also plenty of failed gachasharts) isn't exactly an amazing feat
The reality is Sakaguchi is needed by Square the same way Square (as in, the top dogs over there like Kitase and Nojima) is needed by Sakaguchi

>>713698069
he's never made a good game since leaving SE and SE has never made a good FF game since he left. It's that simple.

>>713696495
But is it a good FF game? Not to me.
Hate implies investment, i don't think people are invested into hating FF nowadays. People simply don't care since the game has no audience. These new FF are not being made for people who know what FF is.

>>713696495
I made up my mind about 16 when I played it and saw it was an action game with the same pacing as FFXIV

>>713697224
The world wasn't ready for that back then. Sure, spirits within is not a good movie, but neither is the minecraft movie, and look how well that performed.

>>713698914
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P0oysjhdGIY
I guess this could have been another chicken jockey situation

>>713694908
Movie was his fall down. After all, his vision isn't what gamers did wanted.

>>713699276
the fact that Steve Buscemi, Donald Sutherland and fucking Ving Rhames were in a Final Fantasy thing is still crazy to this day

>>713698914
The thing is, there was nothing about the Spirits Within that was final fantasy. Even though the minecraft movie is dumb retarded shit for kids, that is exactly why it worked. You could still recognize it as "minecraft"

>>713700147
there are a ton more stars in that movie too

>>713700302
Just the name would carry it nowadays. Maybe not a smash hit, but it would do alright.

>>713701234
I know, but honestly those are the ones stood out for me

Gotta say, anyone who decided to dedicate their whole lives to protecting to reputation of the FF ip on 4chan has been having a nightmare these past few days. 12 hour shifts of desperately trying to maintain a positive narrative. The stock price images don't seem to be cutting it.

>>713702453
I feel like if you were a FF fan when it was good, you are actively cheering for its downfall at this point. But maybe that's just me.

>>713689462
FF16 isn’t half bad at all either, can we talk about Clive’s game too?

>>713702543
It's not just you.

>>713702453
I don't think the mindrape caused by e33 will ever heal

Every FF after IX was and is shit.

>>713689462
minutely rebirthnigger cope post

>>713696495
>FF16 is a good game
>good game
>game
>60% exposition
>30% actual story
>5% running from A to B
>5% actual gameplay

>>713702791
Jack's game was kino

>>713702791
>Mad that his favorite FF fell into obscurity the second the next FF came out.

>>713702791
it's a ps1 FF game so it's good, but also picrel

>>713702949
Why are you even playing FF if you don’t want a narrative focused game?, that would be like being mad at Last of Us because it doesn’t play exactly like COD zombies.

>>713693672
You don't know how to read huh? Take your autism meds.

>>713702997
Jack’s game was slop with some of the worst and most infuriating enemies I’ve ever had the displeasure of having to deal with.
Don’t spout bullshit about the game being good until they fix mindflayers spamming grabs on your party members and then continuously spamming magic nukes until you either kill it or it kills you

FF16 should've been better without the MMO-tier fetchquests and constantly yapping cutscenes. I'm sure they could've narrowed down the dialogue and convey the same "le slavery is bad" message in less than 10 mins of cutscene.

>>713695617
>and how many were Ehrgeiz?
Nigger you never played Ehrgeiz
Legitimately the best arena fighter ever made

>>713696495
>FF16 is a good game
No it's a fucking bad game because square only makes lowest common denominator action games with some RPG elements tacked on (same garbage in 15).
The story was fine though I will give it that.

>>713703676
>Legitimately the best arena fighter ever made
calm down bud

>>713703667
>Can't even play through the slavery arc, completely skipped so you don't get to personally experience any of Clive's hardships
>whole political drama schtick is completely irrelevant once it's revealed that IT WAS AN ANCIENT EVIL GOD ALIEN DEMONS ALL ALONG

ff16 is a bad game I enjoyed playing for the most part despite taking months in between the first and second half. I felt a similar way about 15. bad but I sort of enjoyed it. they're both dogshit games

>>713703840
>imagine wasting all that time listening to constant blahblah from NPCs on sidequests about "branded discrimination" only to be a nothingburger in the end
Mythos... how could you

>>713689462
That doesn't change Uematsu's comment (which is right). It took Square 20 years post Spirits Within to get mostly back on their feet. They had big pile of shit (literally... nearly everything that isn't FF12, FF12-2) to sift through for their kernels of gold (FF12, FF12-2).

Also the FF7 "remake" has been a dismal failure. Remember the first entry released on PS4 and we're on the PS5 now. The next entry at the rate Square is going will be on the PS6 and they STILL haven't finished the entire first... what was it... two? of three? CD-ROMs of the original.

>>713689474
Nomura is a decent artist (Parasite Eve, Final Fantasy 7-8) but he really should NOT be a game designer (Kingdom Hearts). It's clear he has no idea what he's doing outside of concept art.

Being fair though, it's not like Goochi has done anything notable post X-box 360 with Mistwalker anyway.

>>713689889
Blue Dragon is also decent if you enjoy the FF5 job system and don't mind Toriyama's art style/Dragonball-isms.

>>713693672
>>Which is why the company expanded into a supercorporate gian
They got bought by Enix because they were on deaths door, retard.

Then Enix bought Eidos (also nearly on death's door) and mismanaged them (hence, selling them to Deep Silver who ironically enough also mismanaged them and sold most of their I.P.'s to others).

Not an argument against Uematsu, in otherwords.

>>713704270
blue dragon was unplayable for me on xemu last time I tried. I feel like I might like it but it just crashed constantly in the beginning

I wonder if Sakaguchi's major beef with Sony had anything to do with his departure from Square.

>>713704425
or xenia or w/e the fuck it was

>>713702791
12 is the Magnum Opus of Final Fantasy and only Weebs hated it at the time.

>>713704425
>Emulated
Ah, there is your problem. Mistwalkers only notable output (their first two JRPGs) were very "product of the time"/360 launch era.

I guess you'll be waiting like 20 years for Xenia to get to a decent state for 2006-2008 era JRPG kino.

>>713704559
correct. and I would like to have sexual intercourse with penelo.

>>713689483
Lost Odyssey and Last Story are better than any Final Fantasy game from the last 20 years

>>713693672
Outside of arguably the first two KH games, Square hasn't made anything giod since the PS1 era.

>>713702949
>60% exposition
>30% actual story
>5% running from A to B
>5% actual gameplay
Sounds like a typical final fantasy game, what's the issue?