Thread 713719167

In recent years, particularly in 2025, everybody is reminiscing about when Iwata and Reggie controlled Nintendo and preaching about how they were so much more "pro-consumer" and "listened to the fans".

Do people seriously not remember the many controversies of their era? Or are zoomers just too young to even know what happened back then?

>the infamous e3 2008 and e3 2009 conferences, which were a giant middle finger from nintendo to all of their long-term fans

>the entire period between 2008-2010 when there was a legitimate fear nintendo would completely stop making traditional games like mario, zelda, metroid etc and would focus entirely on "Wii *insert gimmick here*" shovelware

>the imposition of the draconian Mario Mandate from the years 2009 to 2016, where literally EVERY SINGLE MARIO GAME whether it was a mainline game (eg. 3D Land, 3D World) or a spin-off (eg. Mario & Luigi, Paper Mario) HAD to conform with the aesthetic and gameplay styles of New Super Mario Bros

>the abysmal state of online functionality on wii, wii u, DS and 3DS (which was intentional on iwata's part because he believed online multiplayer was "dangerous" for children)

>the myriad cases during the wii u/3DS era when they took down fangames like AM2R and pokemon prism, in a fashion even more draconian than anything they do now

>that moment in the early 2010s when they started cracking down hard on youtubers and streamers trying to monetize nintendo game-related content (these restrictions would not be relaxed until after iwata died and reggie left the company)

>reggie/NoA initially refusing to localize xenoblade on wii because a JRPG targeted at core gamers didn't fit the casualized image they wanted to project

I could go on and on. It's seriously astounding just how much bullshit Nintendo pulled during the Iwata and Reggie days, and they've been completely forgiven for it because zoomers would rather whine about how "Switch 2 bad!"

We're nostalgic because we just didn't know how much worse things could get.

>>713719167 (OP)
>online multiplayer was "dangerous" for children
He was right, look at the absolute state of children (Gen A) today.

>>713719167 (OP)
Reggie is a kike, but Iwata is the sole reason Nintendo isn't in the same shit state as ps and xbox are today.

They were genuinely better at making Nintendo seem like it was still part of its original identity. People were just frustrated with the sense of stagnation and them resting on their laurels.
I was initially excited by Nu-Tendo's willingness to change and experiment with established franchises, but by now they've already changed enough essentials where I'm starting to feel like it has become un-Nintendo.
Zelda becoming an Ubisoft clone about "do all the activities LOTS OF CONTENT!!!"
Mario getting his VA replaced to shave off some development cost
Redesigning characters to be more in line with the americanized "Dreamworks" style.
Raising their prices for no tangible benefit.
Still staying a generation behind graphically because they can still get away with it.

It's just so bad now, it's kind of crazy. Zelda is gone. Donkey Kong might flop. Mario Kart is kind of generic too. Even Animal Crossing is overly "SIMS" now. There's just so much "Market Analysis" shit happening now. They're not designing unique games from what else is in the industry anymore. They're leaning into the trends seen elsewhere now.

>>713719167 (OP)
>which was intentional on iwata's part because he believed online multiplayer was "dangerous" for children
I mean he was right, there's been numerous games where predators used multiplayer games to reach children

Shitting on Nintendo has been the popular opinion for close to 25 years now.

the fact that nintendo is now doing "console" 1 -> "console" 2 should already tell us something
>>713719731
>There's just so much "Market Analysis" shit happening now. They're not designing unique games from what else is in the industry anymore. They're leaning into the trends seen elsewhere now.
exactly, it feels like they just please their investors and nothing else

>>713719167 (OP)
Don’t forget the extremely heavy censorship during 3DS and Wii U.

>>713719267
Things didn't get worse though. Many things got better.

Iwata had such an obsession with "innovation" that I doubt he would have greenlit a lot of games that came out in the latter Switch era. Metroid Dread and Prime 4 come to mind.

>>713719617
Iwata nearly killed the entire company with the Wii U. I think he would've ruined the Switch as well if he had lived to see its actual release.

You know he NEVER would have allowed a Switch 2 to be made either. He would've insisted Nintendo come up with some new wacky, gimmicky concept for a console. He was fundamentally opposed to the idea of ever releasing a console that was just a more powerful version of its predecessor.

>>713719731
>They were genuinely better at making Nintendo seem like it was still part of its original identity.
It was the opposite, if you were a fan of Nintendo during the N64 and GameCube era then Wii and Wii U Nintendo was pretty much unrecognizable to you. They went from a serious company that released hardware MORE powerful than Sony's, with a library of games that appealed directly to core gamers, to being a company that released Apple-style gimmick devices aimed solely at soccer moms, toddlers and grandmas.

>>713720038
>the fact that nintendo is now doing "console" 1 -> "console" 2 should already tell us something
And that's exactly what they should be doing. Not inventing new gimmicks just for the sake of having gimmicks, like Iwata did.

>exactly, it feels like they just please their investors and nothing else
What do you think they were doing in the late 2000s then? You think Wii Music, Wii Play, Wii Sports Resort etc was shit they did "for the fans"? Lmao.

>>713719167 (OP)
>which was intentional on iwata's part because he believed online multiplayer was "dangerous" for children
He was 100% right though. Look at fucking Roblox, kids are forming squads of pedo hunters to track down and grief known predators on the site.
And that's not to mention all the offsite discord groups that snag new members through online games. However, actual safety measures and child-targeted services just end up shitting up sites for everyone else because corporate entities are incompetent/unwilling to do anything actually good.
Just fucking ban all kids from the internet. There's literally no benefit to them being online. Maybe segregate them to a separate thing, like only letting them into singleplayer shit or games without chat for kids like fortshite.

>>713722382
And by the last one I mean removing chat

>>713721287
Exactly.

Remember when The Binding of Isaac was blocked from releasing on the 3DS eShop because it wasn't "family friendly"?

>>713722657
Remember when they blocked Bob's game

>>713722382
The problem was not his opinion but that he used it as an excuse to make the online experience substantially worse for EVERYONE.

This debate at Nintendo goes back even further than Iwata's presidency. Circa 1999, Nintendo of America wanted to pursue online functionality on the Dolphin very strongly, but they were opposed by Iwata and Miyamoto. You can thus put a lot of the onus for the GameCube's struggles onto Iwata and Miyamoto and others in the Japanese branch who felt like them.

>In 1999, an unnamed source at Nintendo of America said, "Networkability is at the top of the list for the new console." On August 28, 1999, Nintendo EAD general manager Shigeru Miyamoto ... said that Nintendo did not have any true motive to become significantly involved in the internet business. He stated Nintendo has a responsibility to families so that parents can always feel secure with children playing Nintendo products, and went on to say that he did not think network capabilities would be a core component of their next console.

>At E3 2001, Nintendo director and general manager Satoru Iwata stated Nintendo was confident enough with its offline strategy to not seriously explore the possibilities of online gaming. He said that Nintendo would build a network to support a worldwide audience if they could make it profitable, but he expressed doubts that online gaming would be a sustainable business model for the company, citing subscription costs as prohibitive at retaining a steady customer base.

>In a 2022 interview, Nintendo of America's former president Reggie Fils-Aimé ... added that cultural differences between Nintendo's regional branches slowed its adoption of online multiplayer, as the Japanese branch disagreed with the American and European ones over whether the infrastructure was worth investing in.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/GameCube_online_functionality

>>713720038
>the fact that nintendo is now doing "console" 1 -> "console" 2
This isn't new, look at the handhelds.

>>713723337
Look at everything Nintendo did prior to Iwata's presidency.

NES > SNES > N64 > GameCube were all just iterations. The names changing in 5th and 6th gen were purely for marketing purposes.

GBA was originally supposed to have a traditional successor codenamed "Iris", this was scrapped when Iwata took over because he insisted it must have two screens because of MUH GIMMICKS.

GameCube was originally supposed to have a traditional successor codenamed "Tako", again this was scrapped by Iwata in favor of the Revolution/Wii concept because of MUH GIMMICKS.

>>713719167 (OP)
I love Reggie and Iwata but I wish revisionistfags would stop using them because they hate the switch consoles so much. Tendies went through an entire generation with no games

>>713723856
I genuinely believe it has to be zoomers doing this. Talk to Iwata-fanatics long enough and they'll eventually slip up and say something like "when I got a Wii U for Christmas in 2013..." which reveals how young and stupid they are.

Iwata and Reggie were not popular in the late 2000s, they regained some popularity in the early 2010s thanks to E3 2010 being an admittedly killer show, and because of pre-release Wii U hype, but that evaporated once it became clear how badly they'd bungled the Wii U after launch.

>>713719167 (OP)
Snoys are so desperate to find something to shit on Switch 2 with they are trying to shame people with Iwata "disapproving" of today's Nintendo.
Hell, they are even romanticising Wii U

>>713719167 (OP)
>>reggie/NoA initially refusing to localize xenoblade on wii because a JRPG targeted at core gamers didn't fit the casualized image they wanted to project
I don't care since I am not american

>the myriad cases during the wii u/3DS era when they took down fangames like AM2R and pokemon prism, in a fashion even more draconian than anything they do now
AM2R sucks

>the entire period between 2008-2010 when there was a legitimate fear nintendo would completely stop making traditional games like mario, zelda, metroid etc and would focus entirely on "Wii *insert gimmick here*" shovelware
Sounds like bull, yes they were a bit too keen on going after casuals but it would seem unbeliavable imo that Nintendo would completely abandon their (actual) fans, the SSB Brawl teaser go into buying the system and at the least showed it was willing to give something to us

>>713719167 (OP)
I'm not reading all this shit wanna know why, because the previous era is still better than the Nintendo we're dealing with right now. It's not the same, it's undeniability worse.

>>713724087
I didn't hate the wii u but I also didn't get it at launch and went in knowing there were only a few games I cared about
>Smash
>Bayo 1 and 2 (predates PC port so had only played the garbo PS3 version prior to getting the wii u)
>TW101
>Hyrule Warriors
I held out hope for something like metroid but that obviously never came. It's also good for hacking but that's obviously not something you would have known until later.

>>713719267
Fpbp

This Nintendo Controversy video is always fun to come back and watch

https://youtu.be/ItMQJ5rkfaA

And spoiler alert Rhythm Heaven and Golden Sun are one of the few series that don’t have any known controversies

>>713724310
>Sounds like bull, yes they were a bit too keen on going after casuals but it would seem unbeliavable imo that Nintendo would completely abandon their (actual) fans, the SSB Brawl teaser go into buying the system and at the least showed it was willing to give something to us
If you weren't there at the time then you wouldn't understand the mood at the time.

Early Wii output like Brawl, Metroid Prime 3, Super Paper Mario, Twilight Princess etc isn't really indicative of the general direction they were going post-Wii, because these were the games being developed pre-release when Nintendo weren't sure if the system was going to be a success or not yet. They had to get the traditional fanbase onboard.

By 2008 the Wii had blown up with the ultra-casual market (the equivalent of today's smartphone F2P "gamers") and Nintendo were projecting an image that they didn't need their long-term fans anymore. There were scandals at the time over games like Metroid Prime 3 not receiving proper marketing from Nintendo because it didn't fit their new image. The idea of Nintendo abandoning their core franchises was admittedly an outlandish one, but if you were on forums in 2008ish that's what a lot of people were worried about.

>>713724318
>because the previous era is still better than the Nintendo we're dealing with right now. It's not the same, it's undeniability worse.
Would you rather play Nintendo's Wii U era output of games, which was literally nothing but family-oriented shovelware games (eg. Wii Play, Wii Party) and nostalgia-baiting 2D platformers?

Or would you rather play the Switch library of games, in which 1st party output covers every genre from 3D + 2D platformers, to party games, to JRPGs, to "Metroidvanias", to open world adventures, online multiplayer games, visual novels, and more?

Wii U didn't even have an Animal Crossing game or a true 3D Mario for fuck sake. Their output was genuinely pathetic in that generation.

>>713722382
>Just fucking ban all kids from the internet. There's literally no benefit to them being online. Maybe segregate them to a separate thing, like only letting them into singleplayer shit or games without chat for kids like fortshite.
back in the day parents were actually parents and raised their kids, not allowing internet access until at least their teenage years

>>713719957
People just want to see Nintendo fail

And NO I did not make this pic related

https://x.com/Lakemonade/status/1932814407005823361

>>713721287
And Region Locking them too

>>713722382
>Just fucking ban all kids from the internet. There's literally no benefit to them being online. Maybe segregate them to a separate thing, like only letting them into singleplayer shit or games without chat for kids like fortshite.

Fucking this, also don’t even get me started on TikTok and it’s cancerous trends like Subway Surfing, coming from a New Yorker here

>>713719167 (OP)
Say what you will about Iwata because there were certainly pros and cons there, but Reggie always sucked.

>>713723121
Which ties directly into the second thing I said, safety measures just end up shitting it up for everyone else. You're not telling me anything new mate.
Also he probably felt vindicated by the Swapnote/Flipnote scandal with all the prostitution.

They were a strange company at the time
But they also did try to actually do something interesting and fun with releases or the consoles themselves or even the marketing. Wii U was a massive failure and I still found two games I could call my favorites. Switch released all the games under the sun and there's nothing. Meanwhile I'm shelling out $20 a year to relieve WORSE online than what I got on the Wii U which was already not good, christ
No sales either. You know the whole Nintendo Selects thing where games would get a price cut after a while? Yeah uh lmao have fun paying $60 for literal 12 year old games from the Wii U

>>713725716
Remember all the "never share your real name online" psas
Remember all the concern about cookies
To this day there's an ancient web domain with a common girl's name as the URL and she sits on it to stop corporate entities from using it, along with a little notice from decades gone by that the site doesn't track with cookies so there's no need to clear them after visiting.

>>713725987
Brainrot is a more common term for a reason now.

>>713719167 (OP)
It's just Snoys and Xbots because Xbox is dead, literally; I'm hearing those upcoming layoffs are going to be very bad, and PlayStation is dying. These fuckers are trying push all their rage on Nintendo because they're doing well and didn't make retarded decisions Sony and Microsoft made. They're also pitting Nintendo against Valve because Valve keeps eating their lunch due to both companies being retarded giving Valve openings like Nintendo and Valve, like Nintendo, aren't even trying to compete. The 7th gen era of hell is finally coming to an end.

The memes, that's why.

Everyone talks about how shit the Wii U was, but Iwata's consoles gave us streetpass, themes, and miiverse. The hardware was shit but the social software was special.

Nowadays it's all gone for a locked ecosystem.

>>713727865
>but Iwata's consoles gave us streetpass, themes, and miiverse.
None of which were actual positive impacts on the system or gaming as a whole, it's just following the herd in essence.

>for a locked ecosystem.
Are you suggesting that the Wii U and 3ds weren't locked down ecosystems? I mean, you know they weren't account based right? All your purchases are tied to the hardware and not the account unlike the switch.

>>713726909
>Yeah uh lmao have fun paying $60 for literal 12 year old games from the Wii U
Now you know what it was like as a Wii U owner only those games didn't have any enhancements.

> family-oriented shovelware games
nintendo didn't have any ""serious"" games (even though stuff like smash bros brawl was not really "for the family") because nintendo estabilished itself as a low power platform vendor, while all the companies were developing for PCs or high power consoles. nowadays nintendo uses ARM which is a secondary platform where many developers already develop for, and the power is enough to sustain the bloat required. that's literally it, nintendo just recently went into the PC market share (long after iwata's deparure) just because the console (since switch OLED) somewhat allowed for it and now they will go full PC market share + their games. because that's the only way they can survive with future trends. iwata doesn't matter at all
>>713727934
looks like fantasy today

>>713728709
Nintendo will bring PC to console and Valve will bring console to PC.

>>713728709
>nintendo didn't have any ""serious"" games
Eh, they had a few, not a lot, NMH, Xeno 1, Madworld, Sin and Punishment and a few others but in addition to only being a handful what "serious" meant started to change from something with a heavy gameplay focus to something with an emphasis on story. Fortunately the pendulum is swinging back and Nintendo carved out a niche as a core focused gaming company once Iwata died.
On top of that with Sony and MS effectively dropping out they've left the industry in the hands of Nintendo for them to set the trends.

>>713729234
Indies and AAs seem to be picking on those trends to return to gameplay-focused games that don't push the boundary on graphics. This is why I've said that there will probably not be a Switch 3 or Steam Deck 3, not because Nintendo and Valve or failing but because there isn't really a need for either going forward since high-end gaming/AAA gaming is pretty much dying.

>>713719167 (OP)
>zoomers would rather whine about how "Switch 2 bad!"
what are you on about, zoomers love the switch 2. and 7th gen was still a lot better than current day nintendo.

The Gamecube era was abysmal for Nintendo and they were simply buying their time as Hiroshi was forming a plan in the background. It wasn't until HE came back with Wii/DS to bail out Iwata, Reggie was put in charge of everything in America because that was basically the only market making them money and they needed a charisma man who could actually speak english. Then Iwaya almost killed the Wii trying to turn it into a boomer workout and health monitor which was only save by his other failure:The Wii U and his timely demise.

>the myriad cases during the wii u/3DS era when they took down fangames like AM2R and pokemon prism, in a fashion even more draconian than anything they do now

They had to because as history shows they were planning on making apology games for past blunders like Other M. Dread is literally "we finally did everything the fans asked for: The game;the title included". They are going balls to the wall with palworld right now because Pokemon is basically the only thing keeping them afloat, if they actually gave a shit about IP law they would throw C&D's out like hotcakes to some of their IP's whose violations that would make even a lawyer cringe.
No matter how many balls it takes nintendo to drop they will keep going tooth and nail at "throwing balls patents" because that's literally 1/3 of their lifeline due to Iwata and Miyamoto.

>>713729234
>Nintendo carved out a niche as a core focused gaming company once Iwata died.
yeah but what i'm trying to say is that imo it's more about the console being more powerful and allowing developers of bigger games to develop on it (since ARM is also way easier than powerpc as an architecture). and it's not like they chose to make a more powerful console because "no more iwata" but because ARM was the only choice (powerpc died long ago) and that meant off the shelf GPU architectures well used by developers all over the world already.
>On top of that with Sony and MS effectively dropping out they've left the industry in the hands of Nintendo for them to set the trends.
true, companies are looking to nintendo as a reliable "backup", i.e. cyberpunk 2077

>>713729457
Oh there's definitely going to be a switch successor because Nintendo was never about the lateral progression with graphics, they're always looking for a new means of interactivity that consoles have never done before.

>>713727934
Remember when the gamepad's battery was so shit they released a bigger one?

>>713729706
>ARM is also way easier than powerpc as an architecture
correction, arm is way easier to develop on because companies are used to it, but powerpc is actually the less bloat option. with the death of RISC architectures (arm is not RISC anymore unless you are illuded) consoles are just becoming more and more clones of PCs, see the console trend since ps4 / xbox one / switch

>>713729859
I bought the bigger battery and it was barely an improvement.
The gamepad was just a fucking power guzzler.

>>713729881
>see the console trend since ps4 / xbox one / switch
I wouldn't call the switch a PC clone.

>>713719167 (OP)
It's literally just wiibabies who have nostalgia for this era, despite it objectively being the worst era of Nintendo. Lately, Nintendo reminds me more of their SNES days and that's a good thing in my eyes.

>>713730041
This

>>713729660
>Pokemon is basically the only thing keeping them afloat
Insanity. Have you seen the Switch software numbers? Have you seen the Switch 2 hardware numbers? Other devs wish they could pull Nintendo's numbers right now.

>>713730010
it was getting to it these last years thanks to improvements to later models, and the switch 2 confirms this trend they took. for PC clone i really mean "having the same library as PCs", which was unthinkable pre-CISC consoles (remember when consoles had actually different games from PCs?)

the 3ds massive price drop after a single year due to low sales is gonna happen with switch 2.

>>713728392
do you think it's the same now with the switch 2 since you were a Wii U owner?

>>713730146
First of all [NUMBERS QUANITIES] always goes up because the number of materialists living on this black planet goes up. Second, the games aren't selling. You know why? Because just like every time nintendo sells something they force the retailers who want to sell it to buy a specifica quantity that nitendo dictates. It has been this way since NES. Just because the "sold" that many, doesn't mean that many consumers have them in their hands Even the game sales reflect this.

>>713730381
>Switch 2
>low sales
delusional

>>713730518
So Nintendo just sold tens of millions of games to companies who just tossed them all? This is an insane level of cope

>>713730381
>I get to be an Ambassador again
Hope they give all us beta testers a Wii emulator with Galaxy1+2

I just want home menu music, banners, eshop music, and proper folders is that too much to ask for my $500 console

>>713730859
>So Nintendo just sold tens of millions of games to companies who just tossed them all?
To walmarts backrooms stock and unfortunate scalpers who will be trying to sell them on ebay for a discount come Christmas. It's so "sold out" that Target never stopped selling them. History repeats because it's learned.

>This is an insane level of cope
And the Airforce bought 1760 PS3's specifically to not play games.

>>713728227
Pretty sure that wasn't true, at least for the 3DS. I was able to redownload all my stuff after contacting CS on a new 3DS without the old one.

>>713719167 (OP)
I loved Yamauchi-Era Nintendo, but I acknowledge its problems: Completely isolated, limited technology that refused to use at-the-time industry standards like CDs/DVDs, a very blunt, arrogant leader that severely restricted developer freedom with the whole "Nintendo Seal of Quality" bullshit, a refusal to acknowledge the western side of the industry and making everything Japan-centric, with childish "grudges" towards devs like Squaresoft, they unironically got too cocky with the N64.

I also loved Iwata-Era Nintendo, but likewise, I acknowledge the issues: A completely decentralized direction that focused too much on trying to expand to a "blue ocean" audience with often forced "gimmicks", a refusal to follow modern trends with often archaic online infrastructure and a very closed down ecosystem. Abysmal advertisement campaigns and an over reliance on the appeal to absurdity with unnecessary performances from executives like him and Reggie in public shows taking valuable time away for handling actual issues within the company and just a lack of vision during the Wii U era.

I still love Furukawa-era Nintendo, and actually consider it to have far less flaws than either Yamauchi or Iwata-Era Nintendo, the teams seem focused, pumping out games on a monthly basis, the advertisements are on point, the company is far more aware of technology trends and there seems to be a return to form in appealing to their core audience while still trying to have some small side projects for those who want to experience new ways to play. Bigger criticism I have would be the lack of presence from Furukawa, with neither the attitude nor the personality of Yamauchi or Iwata, but I understand that as a CEO, he has far more important issues than being liked by the community or giving Nintendo "soul" or "personality". Still, they COULD use a more friendly or cooperative discourse with western media and influencers, because holy damn, everyone is after them nowadays..

>>713730381
Switch 2 is a massive success, the most Nintendo will do is release a digital-only Switch 2 that's $50 off.

>>713730518
>Second, the games aren't selling. You know why?
How can you say that when their software is literally breaking record after record? And it's not shipped either, it's sell through as in the copies are in the hands of consumers.

>>713731459
>after contacting CS on a new 3DS without the old one.
Kind of proving yourself wrong there.

>>713719167 (OP)
>2008-2010 when there was a legitimate fear nintendo would completely stop making traditional games like mario, zelda, metroid etc and would focus entirely on "Wii *insert gimmick here*" shovelware
That was never a legitimate fear. I don't even remember that being discussed and I was abosolutely there.

>>713733242
They want you to pay $800 to $1000+ for that.

>>713719167 (OP)
It's zoomers that grew up with the PiiU, sadly their childhood was growing up with NIntendo's worst home console so far, so they are nostalgic about "le wholesome frutiger aero menu xD", fuck that shit, I'd rather have the simple but fast switch menu that doesn't have a bunch of slop and ads plastered all around that is a bitch to navigate, simplicity is best most times.

>>713734178
>they are nostalgic about "le wholesome frutiger aero menu xD
your first nintendo console was the switch if the only thing that people are nostalgic for on the wii you can think about is the fucking menu

>>713734178
cope harder switchie. you will NEVER have this on your main home menu. all of the FREE built in applications that didn't cost extra money, all of the extra features and polish, music and charm everywhere, something you will NEVER experience with modern nintendo.

and before you call me a snoy (though i would expect better because only mentally ill /v/ posters resort to calling any criticizers snoys) I bought a switch and switch 2 in the first month. so im not talking out of my ass.

>>713734716
based. everybody votes channel and the check mii out channel were kino

>>713735331
>based. everybody votes channel and the check mii out channel were kino
actually i was thinking more about super mario galaxy 1-2, dk country returns, mkwii, smash brawl, zelda, wii party, wario smooth moves... but whatever i guess

>>713735578
those too, wii had amazing games while also having an amazing menu with great free software. i was mostly refuting that other anon's point

>>713735578
>>713735704
And the GameCube and N64 had better instalments in every single one of those franchises, and in the case of Wii Party every single Mario Party up to 8 is better than it.

>>713735331
>all of the extra features and polish, music and charm everywhere, something you will NEVER experience with modern nintendo.
I like how you tried to sneak polish in there as if the 3ds and Wii U weren't the least optimised Nintendo consoles to date. Just look at how long it takes to boot up the 3ds because they chocked it full of junk.

>>713735804
>And the GameCube and N64 had better instalments in every single one of those franchises, and in the case of Wii Party every single Mario Party up to 8 is better than it
in your opinion.

>>713719167 (OP)
Faggot think iwata dying somehow erases all his fuck ups. There is no excuse for reggiefaggot

Reggie was right about everything early on, shame about letting Treehouse run free near the end and his Wii obsession
>Geist sucked
>NCL didn't know what it wanted with Project HAMMER and was acting xenophobic when they're the ones who wanted Americans making a game to begin with
>Wii Sports should be a pack in
>Xenoblade and other JRPGs were not good for Switch
>"New Nintendo 3DS" is a stupid name

>>713719167 (OP)
>>the infamous e3 2008 and e3 2009 conferences, which were a giant middle finger from nintendo to all of their long-term fans
I remember E3 2010's reveal of the 3DS, it was phenomenal. It had such a lauded reception that Iwata's head got too big and he priced that shit at $250.

>>the entire period between 2008-2010 when there was a legitimate fear nintendo would completely stop making traditional games like mario, zelda, metroid etc and would focus entirely on "Wii *insert gimmick here*" shovelware
Only people who had that fear were retards


>>>the imposition of the draconian Mario Mandate from the years 2009 to 2016, where literally EVERY SINGLE MARIO GAME whether it was a mainline game (eg. 3D Land, 3D World) or a spin-off (eg. Mario & Luigi, Paper Mario) HAD to conform with the aesthetic and gameplay styles of New Super Mario Bros
I blame Tanabe for fucking up Paper Mario 3DS

>>the abysmal state of online functionality on wii, wii u, DS and 3DS (which was intentional on iwata's part because he believed online multiplayer was "dangerous" for children)
I don't deny Nintendo struggling with online, but I had voice chat on the DS, where some dude scammed me out of a pokemon in Pokemon Diamond. Also some dude got caught sexually grooming using one of the DS' functionalities (or was it the 3DS'?). Bad optics for the family friendly console

The others, that's Corporate Nintendo being super strict. Reggie not believing in Xenoblade and having to submit to Operation Rainfall is a fail on his end. But really these are nothing burgers to what Iwata and Reggie have accomplished and how they connected with the fans. Surely you can name them?

Isn't Cing's bankruptcy directly attributed to Reggie rejecting the sequels to their DS games? As well as The Last Story leading to Mistwalker becoming a mobile-only developer?

>>713736454
And all of his ideas cost them so much.

>>713733149
I mean, it proves me right, no? The digital purchase record is tied to your Nintendo account. It's inconvenient but they do have the ability to restore your purchases regardless of device.

>>713727064
Because zooms like to keep spouting every new word to infinity?

>>713724831
>If you weren't there at the time then you wouldn't understand the mood at the time.
I was there asswipe

>>713736454
>>Xenoblade and other JRPGs were not good for Switch
What? You're delusional if you think that. JRPGs are one of the biggest genres on the Switch.

>>713736997
Anon, the fact that you had to call proves that it was tied to the system and not the account otherwise you would have just been able to plug your account into the new system and download your games.
Anyway, how it works is that your account has the record but not the authentication.

>>713724087
>Iwata and Reggie were not popular in the late 2000s, they regained some popularity in the early 2010s thanks to E3 2010 being an admittedly killer show, and because of pre-release Wii U hype, but that evaporated once it became clear how badly they'd bungled the Wii U after launch.

Iwata was the one to come up with the Nintendo Directs due to how biased and disgusting the media treated Nintendo. Anon you're full of fucking shit.

>>713737413
>due to how biased and disgusting the media treated Nintendo
Funny way of saying "every single E3 show for several years was a complete fucking embarrassment and the Skyward Sword showcase will forever live in infamy"

>>713736475
>But really these are nothing burgers to what Iwata and Reggie have accomplished and how they connected with the fans. Surely you can name them?
It's not all negative sure, I didn't mean to imply that. I think there was something to be applauded about how Nintendo reached out to fans during the early years of Directs.

But that doesn't change the fact I spent most of my years circa 2008-2016 being incredibly frustrated as a Nintendo fan. I think the most frustrating period was actually the Wii U bait-and-switch, when they led us to believe at E3 2011 they were making a console more targeted at "core gamers", only for it to literally turn out to be Wii 2.0 with the exact same library of games.

>>713737413
>Iwata was the one to come up with the Nintendo Directs due to how biased and disgusting the media treated Nintendo. Anon you're full of fucking shit.
Not really talking about the media but about fans and gamers in general.

I mean you really don't have to go that far back to find people absolutely bitching out Iwata and Reggie after the dismal E3 2015 showing, for instance.

>>713737635
>with the exact same library of games.
I wish it had the same library of games. The Wii U library was abject garbage being made up of rehashes upon rehashes.

>>713737856
>The Wii U library was abject garbage being made up of rehashes upon rehashes.
I mean that was the Wii as well.

Not saying they're bad games but what did you think NSMB and DKCR were?

At the time, you couldn't say a bad word about those games, but in hindsight I look back and think that if Nintendo really wanted to put some effort in they would've assigned Retro to make a new 3D Donkey Kong game instead. Not just Donkey Kong Country 4.

>>713719167 (OP)
A lot of people on /v/ were kids at the time or weren’t even born. They don’t remember just how bleak the Wii era was and especially the Wii U and 3DS, which had no games for the majority of their existence. The Switch basically saved Nintendo.

In fact, I’d argue that Nintendo’s failure in the 00s is why zoomers grew up playing PC games instead of Nintendo. Because for Millennials, Nintendo is what cool kids played.

>>713738397
I wouldn't say "saved" because nintendo always had a strong handheld line to fall back on. Even with the 3DS' lackluster launch it still came back and sold a fair bit (75 mill consoles really isn't that bad)

>>713738150
>Not saying they're bad games but what did you think NSMB and DKCR were?
Anon, it was the second NSMB game that released 3 years after the first, this is the closest game in the library to a rehash and DKC hadn't had a new release in about 15 by that point.
On the Wii U now you had a worse version of canvas curse, 3d world that released two years after 3d land, captain toad, a game based on a minigame from 3D world, mk8 which was just 7 with new tracks, NSMBU releasing in the same year as NSMB2 on top of being the 4th and 3rd entries respectively, and all of the Zelda games were ports until Botw.

You can dislike the Wii library but it definitely didn't have a library of rehashes.

>>713738397
>Wii
>3DS
>which had no games for the majority of their existence.
Okay swtich revionist

I keep remembering the Wii U as the console with two tech demo collections sold at full price.

>>713739363
>Anon, it was the second NSMB game that released 3 years after the first
Even the very first NSMB is just a nostalgia-baiting rehash of NES/SNES era Mario.

>and DKC hadn't had a new release in about 15 by that point.
So? Did it need one? Normally after 15 years you're supposed to do something new with the franchise.

Wii and Wii U should have had games like an all-new 3D DK, an all-new 3D Kirby, and Metroid Dread (which is a case in how you return to a more retro-style 2D experience without nostalgia-baiting). The fact we had to wait until Switch and Switch 2 for these kinds of games is very telling.

>>713735804
N64 did, yes. I don't agree that Gamecube did though.
>MELEE
Like I said. N64 did, yes. I don't agree that Gamecube did though.

>>713739894
>Even the very first NSMB is just a nostalgia-baiting rehash of NES/SNES era Mario
No, not really. You had the first world doing the Bowser thing and then he fucking dies. That's where Dry Bowser comes from. Beyond that first world there's no nostalgia baiting.

>Normally after 15 years you're supposed to do something new with the franchise.
Anon, that WAS doing something new. They made a whole new entry, from a whole new team with new ideas and new settings.
Also, are you under the impression that they did absolute nothing with DK in those 15 years?
You had Diddy Kong Racing
Konga
Jungle Beat
King of Swing
Barrel Blast and a few other games, it's not as if DK was dead.

Oh yeah and you can add Tropical Dong to the Wii U rehash list.

>The fact we had to wait until Switch and Switch 2 for these kinds of games is very telling.
Not really no you're just under the impression that just because it's certain type of game it's automatically a rehash, in other words you don't know what that word even means.

>>713740703
>Also, are you under the impression that they did absolute nothing with DK in those 15 years?
>You had Diddy Kong Racing
>Konga
>Jungle Beat
>King of Swing
>Barrel Blast and a few other games, it's not as if DK was dead.
No new 3D game though.

Why on earth did it take 26 years after DK64 to do another?

I know there was the scrapped Vicarious Visions game in the early Switch years so I'll cut them some slack for that one. I'm guessing Bananza was hatched out of the remnants of that.

>>713739894
>Did it need one?
Believe it or not there is a demand for 2d platformers.
>Wii and Wii U should have had games like an all-new 3D DK, an all-new 3D Kirby, and Metroid Dread
Okay, so let me get this straight, you consider an all new 2D-DK a rehash but an all new 3D-DK, which would have had a smaller gap from the last one than country, isn't?
Same with Metroid since dread on the Wii would have been gap between it and Fusion or rather zero mission.
What I'm trying to say is, are you fucking retarded?

>>713737275
I'm confused, is that not meaning it's tied to the account simply by record of purchases? I would consider that tied to the account, not the system, because they did it without a system at all, even if it's inconvenient and not directly accessible by the user. I'm used to device-tied referring more to things like limited activation licenses that only work on those devices, sort of like how my old copy of Spore worked.

>>713740898
>No new 3D game though.
Anon, DK 64 released in that period too, you idiot.

>>713741117
>is that not meaning it's tied to the account simply by record of purchases?
No because it doesn't have authorization. Recording your purchases and being able to access your purchases are two different things and they didn't tie both to the account until the switch.

What the fuck did Iwata even do before he was elected President of Japan?

>>713737086
They do, but it's an apt descriptor of how basically all child-targeted media works now. It's designed to chop down your attention span and encourage repetition of similar content, and often features people doing things that would even make people from the "just a prank bro" era slap some sense into them. Too many instances of retarded kids copying it and ending up arrested.

>>713732182
>the teams seem focused, pumping out games on a monthly basis
Oh my god, this tendie cocksucker believes the $80 switch ports with the performance patches count as new releases.

>>713741402
Hmm, well I guess I just think of the definition of account-linked as a bit broader then. Thanks for explaining it mate.

>>713719617
>Reggie is a kike
>Had to fight with his chink overlords about Wii Sports being a free with the console

>>713723001
Man, crazy how Bob's Game would just be a run of the mill indie game on the switch store now

>>713741108
>Believe it or not there is a demand for 2d platformers.
In balance with 3D platformers, yes.

How they did it in the Switch generation is the correct way. You get both 3D and 2D Mario. Both 3D and 2D Kirby. Both 3D and 2D Metroid. Both 3D and "2D" Zelda (I know it's not literally 2D but that's what everybody calls LA and Echoes). Now with Switch 2 you get both 3D and 2D Donkey Kong.

In 7th and 8th gen it was, for the most part, just 2D 2D 2D 2D with no signs of ever stopping. Even when they did make 3D platformers they were clearly strongly informed by their 2D counterparts, like with 3D World or even Galaxy.

It was bizarre to see the company that invented 3D platformers just completely stop making them for some unknown reason. It was such a persistent pattern that it makes me think it was a directive from Iwata/Miyamoto and others to move away from 3D because it might be "too complex" for soccer moms and babygamers.

>>713742014
>like with 3D World or even Galaxy.
You have never played any of these games. To say that Galaxy is anything like the NSMB games is ludicrous when they don't even progress the same way.
You can have 3d world sure, but that was the point that was being in the first place that the Wii U library was nothing but a bunch of rehashes, you've gone so far into contrarianism that you're now disagreeing with yourself.

Also you're saying that the generation that had two 3d Mario games, two 3d Zelda games and THREE 3d Metroid games was just "2D 2D 2D 2D with no signs of ever stopping".
Hell if you count the 64 remake you have three 3d Mario's too.

>It was bizarre to see the company that invented 3D platformers just completely stop making them for some unknown reason.
That's because they didn't stop.

>>713742014
>It was such a persistent pattern that it makes me think it was a directive from Iwata/Miyamoto and others to move away from 3D because it might be "too complex" for soccer moms and babygamers.
Anon, they put out more 3d games in gen 7 than any other generation, what the actual fuck are you talking about.

>>713744218
You do know just stating a claim doesn’t make it automatically true, right?

>>713745827
Okay, prove it wrong.
I'm waiting.

>>713719167 (OP)
It's because people are remembering the DS/3DS side of the business and not the Wii/Wii U side.

>>713719267
FPBP
I'm the resident sperg who always whines about how Fire Emblem: Fates got censored, but even then, we got fucking video games. Big releases were made with obvious love (localizations and optimization aside), and there was always something new to talk about, something exciting coming out from the big N.

Now? What is there to talk about with the Switch 2? Two fucking games?

>>713741647
>"free"
>Wiis in the US were 50 dollars more expensive than in japan
Yep, totally bundled for "free" dude. Reggie is totally a wholesome pro-consumer guy instead of just a businessman.

>>713746807
Are you seriously going to pretend the 3DS and Wii U had good launch titles?

>>713746807
>Big releases were made with obvious love
Not during gen 8 they weren't. They had some of their worst releases during that gen.
Sticker Star and Color Splash
Tennis Ultra Smash and Tennis Open
Star Fox Zero
Federation Force
Mario Party 10 with the car that everyone hated
Pokemon XY and SM
It's when NSMB entered rehash territory by using the koopa kids two more times after they brought them back for Wii and in the same year.

It had some okay third party games but Nintendo's output was just a joke compared to what came before and after.
The sole exception was probably Planet Robobot.

>>713719167 (OP)
You are right but at the same time, its hard to blame Nintendo and Iwata for doing what they did. The choice was to either continue getting obliberated by Sony or to shift directions, even if its as the expense of its core fanbase. The growing pains from their blue ocean strategy are evident but now its paid off and Nintendo are in a much better position where they no longer have to appeal to soccer moms but aren't forced to compete with Playstation/Xbox either.