Thread 713736614

>Games where the wiki is mandatory
Is this phenomenon real?

>>713736614 (OP)
No.
/fpbp
/based
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>>713736614 (OP)
>Isaac
EID literally tells you everything you know down to synergies
>Dark Souls 3
If you're retarded
>Minecraft
Literally holds your hand now
>Risk of Rain 2
The absolute state of items and their synergies don't even need to be looked up
>Breath of the Wild
LMAOOOOO

>>713736614 (OP)
>Breath of the Wild
>requires a wiki
If you require a wiki for BotW, you might be fundamentally mentally retarded.

>>713736679
If you don't know what the forward slash is for then don't use it, retard.

>>713736614 (OP)
There are a ton of games that don't tell you what you need to know and you are either forced to trial and error or look it up

>>713736614 (OP)
>game doesn't tell you jack shit about its mechanics or how anything works at all
>check instruction booklet
>no useful information is in there either
>your only hope for info is to be Japanese and buy the official strategy guide which never had an equivalent publication here in the USA
>or just look on GameFAQs

>>713737075
is that Saga Frontier? my brother kept trying to get me to play that. It looks and plays like dogshit.

>>713736614 (OP)
lmao
lol

>>713736831
>>713736902
In case you couldn't already tell, this is an AI-generated overview. Gemini is genuinely retarded when it comes to vidya knowlege.

>>713736831
>>713736902
NOOOOOOOOOO you don't understand i HAVE to collect every single one of the 999 golden korok testicles so i can get the legendary actual shitpile!

>>713736614 (OP)
Average GOOD Warframe player doesnt need a wiki because they unironically learn everything and there are already ingame anyways
>True average warframe player is a turbo shitter that drops the game and its confirmed

>>713736614 (OP)
>Games where the wiki is mandatory
ENTER

>>713736614 (OP)
thanks for the recs, OP. All these are such great games.

What specifically about dark souls 3 requires a wiki though? There's nothing cryptic in the game that every souls game doesn't have already

>>713737383
genuinely
dont care
didnt ask

>>713737587
this, anyone who claims they did sun quest without a wiki, or did ANYTHING besides kill kolmi, is lying through their fucking teeth

>>713736614 (OP)
Basically all MMORPGs rofl. Those SP games in OPs pic are random exceptions the rule for wiki games is to be a MMORPG.

>>713737762
Why did you reply just to be dismissive, you nigger. Just say "Thanks, I didn't realize the list was AI" and move on.

At last, we've discovered something worse than twitter screencap threads.

>>713738995
Wiki games are pretty miserable. Worst is "official wikis" that are designed to farm ad revenue.

>>713736614 (OP)
>read wiki
>it spoils the entire game

>>713736614 (OP)
>darkest dungeon
Pretty retarded list.

>>713736614 (OP)
This thing has PoE level of autism with games released in 200X level of QoL/tutorial/mechanic explanation

>>713739737
No, it really doesn't.
Obligatory picrel:

>>713737753
Getting to the nameless king maybe, I remember that as pretty random

>>713737383
It confounds the mind how people still cannot tell if an image, video or text is ai generated. Do they lack basic pattern recognition skills or is it some other form of retardation?

You don't need a guide or a wiki to progress in Factorio, just look at the ingredients the next thing you want to build and make those. The game's not that complex.

>>713740425
A game having a fuck load of needless fake complexity (amounting to filler content) does not an actual deep or complex game make.

>>713740701
Individually the skills, jobs, races, traits are not complex
All of them are relatively simple
The problem is the sheer amount of the combination between all of them that lead to that complexity
The dev tried to simplified the process by introducing powercreep between each parts, but even then it is still overwhelming if you dont know what you are doing

>>713736614 (OP)
I tried the Horizon overhaul that was supposed to fix FO4. While it eventually did click and was a ton of fun, you needed to have your nose in a wiki for the first dozen hours to figure out all of the new systems and how they interact.

>>713740701
>does not x make
people that say this are insufferable faggots 100% of the time. kill yourself

>>713736679
It's easier to list the ones that are not retarded if you care about being not absolute dogshit
>factorio
>oxygen not included
>stardew

>>713741617
Stop trying to defend your shitty coomer garbage.
No one gives a fuck. Your game is irredeemable dogshit because of porn. Fuck you and go back to >>>/h/ where your kind belong.

>>713736831
>Binding of Isaac doesn't need a wiki if you use the mod that installs the wiki into the game
That is still a wiki game.

>>713737753
The quests, the covenants, getting to Archdragon Peak or dark Firelink, not gimping yourself by leveling the wrong thing or using a boss soul on a worthless weapon.
Do you NEED a wiki to finish the game? Of course not. But you do need to have the wiki up to make sure you're not making the objectively wrong choice.

>>713736614 (OP)
This list is weird.

Minecraft, for example, is 100% correct. At least back in the day it was impossible to have any idea what was going on without the wiki. There was no tutorial and 0 guidance.

But Castle Crashers? Factorio? You'd have to be a complete retard to need a wiki for those. It isn't even helpful, you're just cheating.

I don't get it. Is this b8? If so, you got a reply out of me so good job

>>713736614 (OP)
Those games are all playable without the Wiki.

The issue is that modern gamers are obsessed with fully exploring them and, most importantly, playing them in the optimal way all the time.

I usually just do a couple of blind playthroughs, then if I'm stuck I check Wikis, but there's people playing the game normally that go "W-Wait, what if this sword isn't the best I can currently obtain???" and go check if it is true or not.

>>713742698
I feel like the only reason you'd look up a factorio wiki is to get better ideas for more efficient designs or overall a better sense of factory synergy.

BEHOLD

https://wiki.openttd.org/en/Manual/Signals

>>713736614 (OP)
>Super Mario Bros not included
How is anyone supposed to know how to jump?

>>713742936
>to get better ideas for more efficient designs or overall a better sense of factory synergy.
idk anon that IS the game. Like if you're looking up a design and copying it whats the fucking point? There is no gameplay in factorio if you're not solving that yourself

>>713740701
Breaking Black Souls 2 by coming up with creative builds is uniquely fun. The DLC3 bosses in particular were interesting, partly due to the introduction of domains, requiring divergent thinking to develop effective strategies to win (e.g. stacking defense buffs/requiem and using the counter ring to beat Lorde, Florence being healed by damage and damaged by heals). Then again, what would you know? You throw around phrases like "needless fake complexity" without any idea of what you're talking about. You're a retarded shitter who hasn't played these games, and your dogshit opinions count for fuckall.

>>713740701
What the fuck does "fake complexity" mean, retard?

>>713736614 (OP)
Diablo 2

Game is obtuse and broken as shit.

>>713739837
Who ever wrote that and thinks that is a fucking retard
They're games that you start playing BECAUSE of the promise of porn, but realize that there's more depth to the game and story and keep playing, eventually completely ignoring the porn aspect.

And really, what is a "painfully 5/10"? Compared to what? Painful how? How is 5/10 bad? There's 4 more numbers below 5.

>>713743254
>250,000,000 combinations of X
>none of them matter because the game is piss easy
it's like when borderlands was advertised as having 1 trillion guns or whatever

>>713743413
The image was made by the type of neopuritan retard to see a sexy woman or a reference to sex and dismiss a game as "coomer", much less ACTUAL porn.

Minecraft
>inb4 muh """""blind""""" playthrough totally figured out how to beat it

>>713736831
>Minecraft
>Literally holds your hand now
only nowadays. discovering the crafting recipes, and how to get to the nether on PC pretty much required looking it up or hearing about it.
consoles at least had crafting recipes listed out, and a tutorial map

>>713742698
See >>713737383

>>713743448
I don't need literally every combination to be good, I need the act of looking through my options to find good combinations to be fun. And I generally think it is in games that have it.
Borderlands' issue is that you get all your guns pre-assembled, so you'll mostly notice the "core" guns as different even if you can get a ton of variants of each. Making a build where you have control over most of the moving parts is a lot more involved.

>>713736614 (OP)
Don't Starve can be a wiki game sometimes.
Don't Starve Together has so much bloat and content that it's 100% a wiki game. The way to fight some bosses or progress can be overwhelming if you haven't either been taught or did trial and error over 500 hours.

>>713736614 (OP)
>Terraria
Played the game a few years back, didn't need a wiki to beat it on my own. Although I missed some side content that wasn't mandatory
>The Binding of Isaac
Only thing you "might" need a wiki for is going for some of the more "special" endings in the game. Might not remember what every item does though since there's thousands of them
>Stardew Valley
Have only played a few hours of it, but I haven't seen anybody talk about needing a wiki.
>Dark Souls 3
No, at most you might need a youtube guide if you're absolutely dogshit at the game.
>Warframe
Never played, so I have no idea
>Don't Starve
Was able to play through it fine myself, but that was years ago and a ton of shit changed, so I have no idea what it's like now
>Oxygen Not Included
No
>Factorio
Surprisingly didn't need a wiki for this game, despite some friends were saying otherwise
>Escape from Tarkov
Only retards would need a wiki for an FPS game
>Minecraft
The game never needed a wiki, but it needs one even less than it did back then. You have the crafting guide, and the achievement/advancement list pretty much laying out the entire game.
>Forager
Never played
>Castle Crashers
Literally the most straight forward game mentioned there. Genuinely what do you even need the wiki for with this game? It's easy and a first-time playthrough is like 4 hours long at most.
>Graveyard Keeper
No
>Path of Exile
No
>Risk of Rain 2
No, pretty straight forward, especially for a roguelike game.
>Breath of the Wild
No, It's a game made for 10 year olds.

>>713744318
genuinely
dont care
didnt ask

>>713744318
>Minecraft
>The game never needed a wiki
You're a fucking child and a dumb one at that

>>713744318
>Might not remember what every item does though since there's thousands of them
Edmund himself said that if he knew the game was going to wind up so huge, he would've had longer in-game descriptions or even an EID-like functionality from the start.

>>713736614 (OP)
I like it actually
also I see no The Last Remnant in your list OP

>>713740701
this

>>713743254
>What the fuck does "fake complexity" mean, retard?
Pic related explains it

>>713744721
I dunno, anon. Having that many gear options all on hand in an RPG implies a lot of options within a simple framework, a lot more like left than right.

>>713736614 (OP)
>factorio
Absolutely not required, your objectives are very clear and all the steps to progress are easily conveyed through the crafting and research menus.

>>713736614 (OP)
I missed out on purple covenant in DS3 the first time, so I agree there.

>>713736614 (OP)
HAHAHAHAHA

What is WRONG with zoomfucks holy shit LMAO

>>713736614 (OP)
>dark souls
In what fucking way do you require a wiki?

>>713740701
How is bending RPG mechanics to your will not complex? Does baby needs a graphic interface to see a doubleccrit with lifesteal happen in real time like wow? Baby wants parry?

>>713738836
because anyone that used google in the past year already knew
still doesnt dismiss the fact i didnt ask

>>713740701
People who say this about turn based games are almost always the first ones that'll complain about them being nothing but grinding because they're too retarded to actually explore the systems and strategize, so they just grind which is specifically meant to be a brute force method for retards

>look shit up
>still dont understand a goddamn thing

>>713740701
based retard

>>713736614 (OP)
>All that westernslop and indiechow
LMAO

>>713737762
if you only do things because they're asked and not because you decided to do them you're a fucking pussy cuckold
certified female behavior

>>713736614 (OP)
I've played and beat and 100% most of these games without a wiki
People are just actually retarded

>>713743683
Minecraft is unique, because when people other than children were actually playing it, Notch expected you to be part of the broader community on YouTube and the forums, and everyone was. You just *knew* how to make a nether portal when you started playing because you bought the game after watching a let's player or playing it at your friend's house. It really was a cultural phenomenon and every time I see something about it online I'm a little sad by what Microsoft has done to the game.

>>713736614 (OP)
Play miside and see it for yourself
It's short and cheap

There's a Mimi In your room

>>713736614 (OP)
noita

>>713749319
Which games, I need to understand how autistic you are and/or how much of a lying faggot you are.

Terraria
BoI
Stardew
Dark Souls 3
Minecraft
Castle Crashers
Path of Exile
Risk of Rain
Breath of the Wild
>>713751854

>>713736831
>Literally holds your hand now
lol no, it gives you a ton of shit you don't have a clue how and why to use

Kenshi, rain world (for tech)

>>713736614 (OP)
where is elden ring? hated that slop because of it

>>713736614 (OP)
No, how would the wiki get written in the first place?

>>713742936
I often needed to check the wiki when trying to set up the old style of Factorio circuits, they made them a lot easier to manage in SA