The Assault Rifle isn't that bad

>>713744179 (OP)
Most people just don't know how to shoot it.

yes it is

-this post is brought to you by the battle rifle gang

>>713744179 (OP)
I get it, it's not that bad but I'd rather not y'know?

>>713745062
fuck you fag

>>713744179 (OP)
the CE assault rifle's a pretty good choice
60 rounds, burst fire at range, unload when close, fastest melee in the game

>>713746849
you forgot the most important part
>it's shit on legendary

>>713744491
that marine wanted to die

>>713746891
not when the freaks show up

>>713745659
Covenant Carbine, Hell yeah

>>713744179 (OP)
i missed how much oomph halo ce's weapons had. they feel and sound like toys in subsequent games.

>>713744491
>Just tap the trigger and take 3 seconds to kill a grunt bro

>>713744179 (OP)
>>713744491
When I realized how much more effective the AR and Warthog gun can be by tapping the fire button at a reasonable pace, the game became even more fun.
>people looking for a pistol user as I approach since there's no way an AR is doing the damage
>tanks being confused because there's no way a Warthog is hitting that far out that often
With that said, the AR should have always hit dead-center if you single-fire so it could've been better.

>>713744491
The problem with this is you give up the main benefit of the AR, its fire rate.

>>713745659
Used to be a carbine lover but I prefer the consistent accuracy of the br now. Still prefer the design and feel of it over the br however.

>>713748781
The Carbine should have been an upgrade to the BR because you never spawn to it. It was a sidegrade in 2, and a downgrade in 3.

>>713744491
>you have to tap fire for it to be effective
problem is tap firing with the plasma pistol is also far more effective, especially on higher difficulties since it shreds shields while being good against grunts, only time you would want this method is with shit like laso since you can't pick up covie guns in ce laso

>>713744179 (OP)
I've always thought the way people talk about the AR in CE was actually much more applicable to the H2 SMG

>>713749491
The SMG is far too weak to compensate for dual wielding.

>>713749491
Very true, most use cases for the AR in CE that you could suggest SMG be used for are just done better by the BR. Only good as fodder when being stingy with actually good weapon ammo.

>>713745659
god the h2 carbine was so slept on

>>713748781
Also used to be a carbine lover but honestly the BR is just peak with the sfx. Halo 5 had one of the best carbine variants ever made though

is the needler the only weapon to break the halo weapon curse in the trilogy?

>>713747458
The AR does have a really chunky sound set.

>>713744179 (OP)
Did Combat Evolve?

>>713751357
it did until reach

the assault rifle in 5 and infinite wasn’t that bad. It being strong doesn’t invalidate the BR. The BR was still the dominate weapon in both games and most of the power weapons were still all really powerful and worthy of trading the AR for

Crazy idea, haha, don’t be mad, haha, but what if…we combine the needle rifle and commando? Nah it’s stupid idea, forgot I did anything :(

>>713751882
A*
Said*

The AR isn’t shit. The magnum is just broken.

>>713751265
think so, i can't think of a weapon that had the arc and progression of the needler

>>713752247
>>713751265
Literally the AR went through the same thing

>decide to play this game for the first time recently
>halfway thru it turns into a zombie game
Dropped. Why does nobody ever mention this?

>>713752523
probably because its part of the twist reveal, especially since its when you really start understanding why the halos were made

>>713752673
Aren't there like 5 games in this series? How is that a twist?

HEY EVERYONE turns out Halo is just a shitty zombie game.

>>713752523
>>713752938
imagine getting filtered by the Flood lol

>>713752315
AR wasn't in 2 and if you are counting the smg that wouldn't be an upslope

>>713751723
I didn't like it. It was made super strong, super accurate, but also retained its very generous aim assist.

>>713752523
the flood are kino scifi zombies

>>713744179 (OP)
>GAYLO

too bad the game is shit

>prefers pistols and sniper rifles
Why am I like this, anon?

>>713747760
>>713744491
I learned how to use the rifle by firing it the way the marines did lol.
It was obvious they werent going full auto with it so I figured that might be more accurate.

>>713752523
>>713752938
what, did it make you cry or something?

>>713752523
>this makes zoomers shit piss and fart their pants in fear
literally shaking

>>713744179 (OP)
Halo CE has the best weapon sandbox in the Bungie games

>>713744491
Oh
So that's why the marines npcs always use the assault rifle like that

>>713754362
>Why am I like this, anon?
why are you based?

>>713752523
>back in the day
>no one (not even the ads) mentioned a single thing about the flood so it would strike harder
>everysingle halo (till halo wars 2) marketing never outright mentioned the existence of the flood
you will never get surprises like that anymore in modern gaming (unless you are into indiegames but thats a different can of worms)

OK, now break an elite's shields at 25m firing like that.

It's dogshit, literally the last weapon you would carry in 1.

>>713752523
I remember getting to this with my dad. I knew something was coming, but I didn't expect it to be an actual flood of zombie bugs. It's one of my most cherished rushes of adrenaline.

>>713755282
>OK, now break an elite's shields at 25m firing like that.
Why would anyone do that?

>>713752523
Hot Take: Removing the flood would make the games and their campaigns better

>>713755405
You wouldn't, because you would have dropped the AR for anything else.

>>713755462
How so?

>>713744491
I learnt this out of necessity in sweaty multiplayer

>>713755282
>>713755524
git gud scrub
I always use it when playing on legendary, laso too.
most of the time it's used to take out grunts quickly (or the flood), but even on elites it's perfectly usable if you're taking their shield down before hand.

>>713755669
I don't like them, they are bullet sponges and have a mindless AI that become insufferable when they grab weapons and I HATE it when that weapon is a ROCKET LAUNCHER. Halo 2 and 3 onwards only made them worse and I hated everysingle moment of Cortana in 3.

>>713755812
Prove it

>>713754107
Needler in 2 is a downgrade from 1. It goes:
1 - gun is ok. Not great not bad.
2 - gun is awful when not dual wielded and ok when dual wielded.
3 - gun is back to being ok, and even slightly every better than it was in 1.
Reach - gun gets even better.
4 - gun gets even better.
5 - gun gets even better to the point that it starts making BR fags cry.
6 - gun gets a downgrade. It’s still good but not as busted as it was in 5. BR fags are still butthurt though.

>>713755524
>you would have dropped the AR for anything else
Why would I do that?

>>713756098
prove what nigga

>>713744179 (OP)
Some of my best friends were mega halo 1-3 fans. I never was but still played with them. I mained assault rifle and dual magnums only lol
I never knew any metas or what the difference between, say, the single shot human rifle and the covenant purple single shot rifle was lol. Were they very different?

>>713756419
Kill some Elites with the AR.

>>713751882
Was the needler ever good? I always found it to be a cool albeit weird weapon. Fill the enemy with crystals and after a set time they'll explode. But i always got killed lol

>>713755895
Lol I won't deny rocket flood in CE is the stuff of nightmares but they are generally fine in all the games except maybe CE again. They are only ever tanky in 1 and that's only if you aren't running a pistol or shotgun(which you probably should be anyways). In 2 they get much easier to deal with and in 3 they are even easier except for that stupid needle form which yes is fucking garbage is a controller thrower.

>>713756419
Kill elites with AR
In Legendary

>>713756502
>>713756612
1. take down shield with plasma gun
2. spam ar at close range
actman in his legendary no death series on yt uses it quite often from what I remember.
Legendary on ce isn't even hard, it would only be tough on 2 with the smg.

>>713744179 (OP)
Obligatory post for Frogarchist is a raging Redditoid faggot who deserves to be castrated and his corpse paraded through the streets

The CE plasma pistol is the best weapon in the game and probably the entire series.
>Perfectly accurate, shoots as fast as you can click
>Shitload of ammo per gun, is dropped like candy so you're never without one
>Normal fire wrecks shields, stunlocks non-flood unshielded enemies, and ruins sentinels.
>Gold elites eat an overcharge and then get meleed or die to more normal shots
>Regular shots reliably pop the limbs off combat forms, obviously worse than the shotgun but usable
This thing is given to trash enemies but is absolutely incredible, I love the plasma pistol.

>>713756272
>Reach - gun gets even better.
You're still talking about the AR, aren't you? Reach nerfed the dogshit out of that gun.

>>713756684
>it's good, i swear!
>you just have to use another gun for over half the fight

>>713757053
Why would I only use one gun for everything? The game lets you carry two.

>>713756567
Good in 3 upward. Ok in 1. Dogshit in 2. It’s like 3 guaranteed kills every time you use it. Unless you’re talking about the needle rifle, in which case that was just a better version of the DMR.

>>713744179 (OP)
it's okay on normal and lower difficulties but on Legendary it won't kill anything before it kills you

>>713757053
you're already using that other gun a good majority of the time considering how common it is.
Obviously it's not ideal to use it on elites if you have something like a needler, but it's perfectly usable if you don't have anything else or don't mind playing a bit aggressive. You can rely more on nades too.
It's good for clearing out crowds of grunts, being able to kill the elites they're with is a bonus.

>>713757356
The Needler in both 1 and 2 are some of the worst weapons in FPS. Just strafing is enough to make it not work.

>>713757356
Wdym 3 guaranteed kills every time you use it?
Also was the needler rifle the covenant carbine?

>>713752523
I've always felt like the Flood never really hit their optimal sandbox level, for example I think Quarantine Zone in H2 is the only time you ever see them use human vehicles which actually adds a lot more variety but it's pretty much one-and-done here

>>713758091
Mostly because the casual playerbase never liked fighting against the flood

>>713757479
I mean, the gonna heat seeks the enemy. You just roughly look in their general direction and empty half a mag into them and they’ll die within seconds.

chud game

>>713747007
You would too if you had a stroke mid-combat drop.

>>713758368
Why? They're fun, genuinely didn't know that many people hated the flood. Arbiter -> Oracle and Sacred Icon -> Quarantine Zone are some of my favorite missions in the entire series,.

>>713758707
Always has been.
Listening to Marty and Jason Jones and the rest in their developer commentaries is really good, I highly recommend them if you haven't yet. It's just a group of friends that wanted to make a cool game. Wish they made them for 3 and reach and ODST.

>>713758707
Marty left Bungie at the right time and came out on top

>>713756842
>click
based pc player, still have my cd in the box with the key on it

>>713754398
This except I learned it from how the Flood uses it. I wondered why they were so accurate with it so I just started tapping it like they do.

>>713754398
I really wish they kept marines going sicko-mode at low health in later halo games.
Seeing one just go full auto after screaming and charging a group of grunts was great.

>>713759058
>The weapons and armor of the elites were based on middle eastern weapons and armor
I see the weapon, but why the armor?

>>713759545
Basically they took the helmet and used the braids for the slip-lip mouth armor, and the plates on the body are pretty similar to elite armor already, with big-ass gaps and only specific areas covered.

>>713759195
I spent so many hours with custom edition, PC was outright the superior way to experience Halo 1. The stupid giant maps with longswords and pelicans and jets and shit, a thousand normal maps with all levels of quality and unique stuff. Brute ghosts, "dual-wielding" weapons that were two in one, random mech vehicles. That hyrule field map with all the OOT weapons and a sniper rifle up in the ranch tower.
Does anyone remember the 007 runway map? The one where you could clip through the invisible wall at the edge, slide down a specific seam in the geometry, and get teleported into some kind of nightclub lobby area that itself had another secret wall you could walk through? CE maps had so much soul infused into them.

>>713759662
Honestly don't see it at all.

>>713759670
Goldeneye runway*

>>713759662
*Split-lip, pardon me.

>we never went back for Dustin Echoes

>>713754774
Why is Halo the only game where 'sandbox' is used in this context?

>>713755159
for the longest time i thought the reflection on chief's visor in that screenshot was a weird ass face

>>713752938
by twist I mean with the first game its a twist, and the flood is just part of the twist

>>713744179 (OP)
Recently I actually found myself wondering if the Assault Rifle was actually a shitter weapon or not, so I decided to do a gimmick run on Heroic where my stipulation was that it was the only "main" gun I use (still using grenades in some scenarios because I know it's not THAT much of a sleeper weapon) and I think it's actually more than solid as a starting weapon:
>Absolutely gargantuan amount of ammo, especially when the Flood show up to easily replenish
>Grunts get shredded easily of course
>If you tap your fire like >>713744491 you can easily shoot the exposed area of Jackal shields, and they always reel back/flinch so killing them is easy work
>Hunters are the weakest and most linear they've ever been in the series, it's easy to handle them outside of just being bullet sponges (but melee actually does do damage here, so you can alternate to not use up too much ammo)
>Blue and even red Elites can actually be handled better than you'd expect, you just really need to fight in close quarters or otherwise close the distance so that they're baited into trying to melee you, then you fuck them up with a backsmack (fastest and most consistent melee of all the weapons too)
>Weirdly enough, it's actually less effective against infected humans/Elites than I remember; they're not actually staggered/slowed down by the AR and will generally get up in your face if they're charging right at you, but I only just realized that if you're crouching (and maybe moving backwards?) it causes a surprising amount of their melee attacks to whiff
>Even weirder, despite being literal robots it seems like the Sentinels get fucked by the AR more than the Flood
I kept the grenades purely as a weapon against the gold and black Elites because I knew the AR alone would get absolutely raped by the strongest Elites, but if that's what it takes then I think it's actually great for what it is

>>713759876
newfags on bungie forums corrupted a term in CS meant to refer to everything the player "plays" with.
From health bar to how your guns fire in the game to how the vehicles handle on different terrain, as well as the meta balance of all these things affecting gameplay.

>>713744491
Sometimes the bullets can nearly fly out of the reticule even when just fired two at a time. On rare occasions the bullets will leave the reticule even that early. The Assault Rifle's flaws can be mitigated, as your webm shows, but they still very much exist.

>>713756842
i'd often be found carrying a plasma pistol and a regular pistol in CE. absolutely deadly combo, you can kill any single target in seconds, no matter how strong

>>713758707
reach wins because it has the GOAT theme.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tNVu2chxwV8

>>713761459
Generic and dull.

>>713744179 (OP)
it actually has really high DPS, you just can't hit anything with it without being too close

>>713744491
Now you hit things but still dont do enough damage. Also to be in this situation you need to run out of pistol ammo and fail to replace the assault rifle

>>713762326
learn how enemies flinch and you'll have no problem.

Okay guys I'm gunna go take a nice bath to relax, please watch my Jackal while I'm gone!

>>713751265
duel wielding needlers was OP in halo 2 that's why you couldn't do it anymore in halo 3

>>713744179 (OP)
The assault rifle in CE is okay, it does decent damage at close range if you track properly. It's truly appalling in 3 though.

>>713762650
why's she looking at me like that?

>>713744179 (OP)
CE has the best sandbox out of all the games imho tbqh
only things it needs is
>usable energy sword
>tracking on the Plasma pistol a la Halo 2
>tracking on the rocket launcher for airborne targets
if you *really* wanted to be extra nice you could swap the model of the AR for the halo 2 smg and make the AR a more middle ground weapon between the Magnum and SMG

>infinite has halo 3 mode
>players going 20+ kills like its nothing
Feels like 17 years ago.

>>713763472
The CE overcharge does have decent homing, it just isn't as extreme as later games.

>>713763472
I wouldn't want the overcharge to be good like 2's. Just bump up its projectile speed so it becomes a skill shot and not the main way you use the gun.
Personally, I want the Sentinel Beam and for the Needler to cause a supercombine on melee if you have full ammo.

The perfect halo arsenal .

AR
SMG dual wieldable only
Plasma rifle with stopping power
Needler
Shotgun
Flamethrower (yes, you read that correctly)
Energy sword
Gravity hammer
Magnum with scoping capability
Plasma pistol with EMP capabilities
BR
Sniper
Focus rifle (yes, you read that correctly)
Rocket launcher
Spartan laser
Fuel rod cannon
Brute shot with ravaged AOE capabilities
Frag grenade
Plasma grenade
Halo infinite spike grenade
Halo infinite shock grenades

>>713762650
Okay I'm back from my bath thank you for taking care of my chicken.
>>713763094
To figure out how far away you are so it can snipe you, duh.

>>713763954
>Just bump up its projectile speed so it becomes a skill shot and not the main way you use the gun.
thats actually a better idea yeah. The halo 2 version can be kinda bullshit, I just want the PP to be viable like the rest of the sandbox
>I want the Sentinel Beam and for the Needler to cause a supercombine on melee if you have full ammo
i forgot about those two, the poor poor needler.
I think that combined with the better tracking we see in Halo 3 would make for a good niche
>>713763753
its decent for sure but the weapon as a whole gets fairly easily outclassed by the Plasma rifle

>>713763472
Rocket launcher doesn’t need tracking. The fuel rod and spartan laser should be your go to heavy weapons for fliers. Tracking is for fags.

>>713764924
A proper flak fuel rod gun like the AA wraiths from 3 would be pretty rad, though those do still have pretty hard tracking. I don't know how you'd expect to hit a banshee that can evade with a slow projectile, and the splaser just deletes anything in LoS.

>>713744179 (OP)
is there actually any reason to use the Plasma Rifle over the Plasma Pistol in Halo 1?

>>713765323
Joint pain.

>>713764847
The Needler could have a hundred things done to it, but I've always thought it was a difficult weapon to get right. For my mod, I gave it very slow projectiles that quickly accelerate, combined with the limited tracking range gives it a sweet spot where it will absolutely destroy someone. I also made it stick to map geometry and detonate with a small AOE. The same AOE can delay shield recharge.

>>713765162
You could have the projectile speed up/increase in size after it travels a certain distance. If you could get the fuel to work as a anti air weapon then yeah the splaser would be pretty much obsolete.

>>713744179 (OP)
I always found it kinda viscerally satisfying to use somehow. The huge clip size and abundance of ammo is a big part of it, but I think the biggest thing is that sound. For such a rapid firing gun, the sound is so hefty and satisfying. It makes it feel better to shoot than it really is.

>>713765747
>For my mod
what mod is that friend?
>combined with the limited tracking range gives it a sweet spot where it will absolutely destroy someone
that's an interesting idea to make it more of a mid range destroyer weapon but struggles up close due to the melee animation/reach and at long range due to needles disappearing, I like it

>>713744179 (OP)
Slowest ass reload time next to the rocket launcher fuck that noise. At least the rockets have the sheer power to make up for the slow reload which the AR doesn't.
If it was like Left 4 Dead where you continued reloading even when meleeing I'd be okay with it but I'm too impatient for that shit.
And no I will never not be mad at how they fucked the cool shotgun reloading animation after CE. Not only is it slower in Halo 2, but Chief loads it like a fucking pussy.

>>713766491
>what mod is that friend?
Gold Pro. It's a Reach mod meant to play more like Halo 1.
I had a number of different iterations for that gun, but I like the current one the most. I learned later that they functioned similarly in Halo 2's beta, but my tracking requires you to reasonably stay on target.
webm related is what I did for the AR. It's inaccurate if you spray, but can stay accurate if you burst it. If you zoom, the fire rate is lowered enough that it remains accurate. Good for cleanup, but it usually won't get a kill from full.

>>713767142
>Gold Pro
thats really cool im gonna have to check that out. CE is my favorite game overall but Reach is the one i'll play random levels in
It looks like you put a lot of care and thought into your choices, good job anon <3

>>713744179 (OP)
just started playing infinite and i'm having fun
i tried it at launch but my shit internet + the god awful launch made me never consider playing it ever again

its got its issues but fuck, i'm having a better time than in BF or COD

>>713767339
It's multiplayer-only, but I have a mode that lets you spawn dummies to shoot at.

>>713755462
nah
H1 flood adds some much needed gameplay switchup

>>713758707
It helps that I seem to largely agree with him, but I really always thought Halo 1's soundtrack was basically the best part of the whole franchise. I like it more than Halo 2 or 3 as entire games. Like man I could understand being bothered but there's no point in people trying to unperson him, the dude is halo's atmosphere.


Anyway Halo should've expanded the power armor elements and it's always been disappointing that master chief is basically just a regular dude with a regen health bar. They should've kept his little missile pod.

>>713758874
i like most of the flood missions in H2 but i've never actually fought through quarantine zone or whatever, i just get in a ghost and blast through

I always use the AR in CE not because it's the most effective but because it feels good to rip apart alien scum with a hose of 7.62 real fuckin NATO.

Get that rinky dink xenos glow stick shit away from me all I need is honest to god gunpowder and lead. Pew pew is for purple blooded fags bang bang is for human MEN ok. Thank you for your attention to this post.

>>713764436
>flamethrower
man i loved that shit in custom edition PC. i liked it in halo 3 too but i always got bodied when i use it

>>713767715
>but I really always thought Halo 1's soundtrack was basically the best part of the whole franchise.
I dunno what it is but CE's music + the menu just hits my soul much harder than the later games, maybe it's just the straightforward simplicity of it all
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wuSu6q7fuq4

>>713767715
i agree about marty.
i still remember the H3 reveal trailer and absolutely losing my shit when the music started

>>713749491
It's kind of fucking insane the base Halo 3 SMG is better than the AR in every way. I mean EVERY way.

>>713747458
I adore Halo 3 but the assault rifle sound effect in that game is so fucking dogshit I can’t even understand what Bungie was thinking.

>>713744179 (OP)
We all agree
2 > 1 > 3 >>>>>>>>>> literal shit >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> the rest
Right?

>>713768549
No, 1>3>ODST>2>Reach

>>713768549
ODST is kino.
2 is literally only good for its multiplayer.

in awe of 3's lighting lads

CE: Best gunplay & overall feel, best atmosphere
3; Best campaign maps, best graphics
2; Best sweaty tryhard scene & lorefagging

>>713768549
For campaign 2's gameplay was trash. It had the best writing and music, but that's it. The level design was garbage corrdiors and wave defense areas. The weapon sandbox was bigger than CE but much more shallow, many guns like the pistol were nerfed to hell and sucked unless you dual wielded. Then of course legendary difficulty was a meme, but heroic is fine. Modding can fix the weapons and the difficulty, but not the levels.

Also because its graphics pushed the OG xbox to its limit, they actually aged worse than CE's simpler more colorful art style. Shit looks ugly. Fortunately H2A was mostly very well done and is the best the franchise has ever looked even today, much better than CEA. It's a shame you can't have original sounds with remastered graphics, but oh well.

>>713744179 (OP)
This was always the case. I think most people are going by multiplayer rather than the single player campaign where gun balance isn't as much of an issue. In multiplayer the problem is the pistol is just too damn strong so in truth it should actually be the primary gun not the AR. Then you are going to usually want to grab a power weapon for map control so that means usually the rockets and sniper. This leaves the AR as sort of the odd gun out. The pistol in mp is just way too good.
>>713744491
This is also true. Usually you want to fire in bursts with further away enemies but once up close just unload on them. In Halo CE you get 60 shots before a reload unlike in all the later games. If the Halo CE AR had like 90-100 in the clip before a reload I think it would be looked at in a much more positive light. So it would basically be like a machine gun that is used in close quarters combat. Would have been a lot better off had all the Halo AR's in the later games had this same general concept as well. I see no issue upping the magazine either since they would still always get outclassed by the games designated precision rifle/pistol. But at least for mp you get a perfectly great backup weapon that can allow you to truly spray and pray as the AR seems intended for.

>>713757053
>the concept of using the plasma pistol to drain shields and then switching to another weapon to finish an elite is insane to me
Just admit you never played the game. I beat halo ce on legendary back when I was like 14 and used the assault rifle all the time cuz I fucking love it.

>>713744179 (OP)
I just played Halo 1 for the first time on MCC a few months ago.
Honestly the assault rifle and shotgun where my go to weapons. I am very surprised people thought the assault rifle was a bad weapon. It has really great killing power, especially at close ranges, and gets 60 rounds. Where people just holding down the fire button and not expecting their accuracy to go to shit?

>>713744491
>not just using the magnum for precise shots
This ain't it, Chief.

>>713770448
H2A is one of the few decent remasters to the point that the degraded elements are nitpicks rather than glaring. Little details were lost like the intro cutscene's crossfade between Truth's halo headdress and the moon, the carbine's modeled ammo indicator, scorpion shell trails are broken so they only appear when it hits, the new sounds for covenant everything are worse across the board with the sword being the most glaring downgrade, audio mixing is worse (but this is a general MCC issue rather than H2A specific). Overall it's great, worth recommending for someone's first playthrough if they're allergic to classic graphics.

>>713770980
The assault rifle isn't bad, it's just overshadowed. It's the worst "good" gun. The pistol, plasma pistol, and shotgun were objectively the best 3 weapons in the campaign.

>>713767590
>It's multiplayer-only
ah that's unfortunate, hopefully I can find a server to try it out on or gather together some people to play

>>713771030
The cutscenes weren't the best directed, but the visual work done on them was amazing. The remaster also did a great job at preserving the dark lighting of the original. CEA in comparison is so embarrassing, it's like the equivalent of Dragon Ball Evolution where the director admitted he didn't even understand the appeal of the original and just wanted to use the series to boost his own name.

>>713755190
This is why I loved Bloodborne on release because the reveal trailers just made out it was going to be a werewolf kinda game, no one expected the cthulu monster twist halfway through.
Now everyone knows it though, I don’t think I’d have liked it as much if I knew about it going in

i like the assault rifle except on legendary where the elites hide more on levels like the maw and you don't do enough damage before getting wrecked

>>713772052
producers and devs nowadays have no fucking clue about anything. no subtlety. but we don't have many huge single player blockbuster type games anymore, i think elden ring mightve been the last one. they were advertising that shit in the octagon at UFC ffs

no russian in mw2009 wouldn't have had nearly the same impact if it was at all leaked or advertised

>>713744491
SHORT
CONTROLLED
BURSTS

>>713744179 (OP)
I think a lot of people give the AR shit without considering its place in dynamic balance.

Its an acceptable weapon at close to medium range against jackals and grunts that you'll throw away quickly to replace with an energy weapon that is equally effective against them, but also with added utility against elites. This holds for most of the game until you hit The Flood, and suddenly the AR has a variety of advantageous characteristics:

It has a broad but manageable spread that can be pumped into enemies and close range, but then also painted over infection forms to take them out. It has almost perfectly controllable ammo economy, letting you pop individual flood at distance as well. Against carrier forms you can hold it down to drop them and continue to paint the swarm around them and so on.

In multiplayer it's a neutral weapon that's not good against shields or at long range, giving spawning players something to use while they hunt for better weapons on the field. Pistol starts just turn into head clicking, which isn't necessarily bad, but it reduces the incentive to go weapon hunting.

>>713772862
yeah halo 1's weapon sandbox is pretty "balanced", just finished it on heroic a few days ago.
although against the flood the shotgun is OP and it's pretty much the weapon you always want to have on you.
in the last 3 levels they throw so many rocket flood (and rocket launchers / ammo in general) at you to the point you can just keep a rocket launcher on you in case you happen to run into some of those spec ops elites

flood kind of change in 2 and 3 where precision weapons can neutralize them but they will get back up, so you can use precision for crowd control till you can body them with a brute shot or sword

>>713759737
Based Zealot helmet design

>>713772798
Haha Assault Rifle go brrrrrrrrr

>>713756440
Battle Rifle is more accurate but alien gun does more damage. Battle Rifle has less ammo in the clip and a slower fire rate but more ammo overall. Alien rifle has more ammo in the clip and less total ammo but can be rapid fired more easily.

I love the CE shotgun so much, they never managed to replicate how good it felt using in the rest of the games.

>>713744179 (OP)
It’s the Klobb of guns

>>713766678
https://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Halo/Backpack_Reload

Don't know if you're comfortable using glitches, but you can do this.

It's pretty easy once you get the hang of it.

>>713766375
>but I think the biggest thing is that sound. For such a rapid firing gun, the sound is so hefty and satisfying. It makes it feel better to shoot than it really is.
someone remind me, if you use the classic graphics on Anniversary/MCC, are the sound effects any different from OG CE?

>>713755314
This image is amazing

>>713774638
CE shotgun is my favorite too. Especially fun to play The Library with a shotgun since I think Flood takes extra shotgun damage.

>>713744491
This is how I tend to use automatic riffles in videogames unless I'm 90% sure that all of my shots are going to hit and won't be wasted on a target that's already dead.

Conserves ammo and manages recoil.

>>713744179 (OP)
>>713744491
Charge into a pack of covvies with the assault rifle during an indoor section on Halo 1 Legendary, don't be afraid. It actually does good fucking work with that 60 bullet capacity.

>>713767489
Infinite's honestly alright although it still has massive issues that make it hard for me to put even above Reach.

>>713759792
kek

Say what you want about Reach but the agility and aggressiveness of the Covenant units really felt close to how they were depicted in the books that was my favorite part about the game.

>>713745659
Me and two of my friends call the Covenant carbine "Covenant gratine" and I can't remember why. I guess it could be because a certain friend of ours or one of us called it that as a strange joke or a reference to something or maybe by accident (not that dissimilar in Finnish either, karbiini vs gratiini).

>>713775859
Reach Hunters were basically perfect. 1-ODST they're too slow and lumbering and the less said about 343's games the better. It's also the best iteration of Brutes.

>>713776652
One shotting hunters in CE is so fun though...

why the fuck are people calling weapons "the sandbox"?

>>713754818
Marines are garbage lmao, flood with an AR are the real menace and they don't fire it like that lol

>>713780190
I know right?

>>713780190
to make it sound cooler than it is

>>713780190
because the weapons are the "sand" and the amount of weapons you can carry is the "box"

>>713768223
If only there was more art like this

>>713780190
I think that is how Bungie referred to it so it just stuck really since Halo's weapons need to have a particular balance for its gameplay to flow the way Halo traditionally used to flow.
>>713780841
Awful map but some of the variants were great. I miss the days of H3. No way such gameplay could ever make a comeback though. People would complain about a lack of speed. Even if sped up they then would complain no sprinting. Then if sprinting is included they would complain about loadouts and really there is just no pleasing these people. The Halo audience moved on long ago. Only the trannies are left.

>>713782269
>Only the trannies are left.
Many multiplayer games are dying for a reason. They have seemingly focused on compfags instead of normal players. This makes games unfun to play as it becomes a 'chore' or 'job' to play. Comp fags love this shit, but noone else does. Coincidentally, most game communities are either shrinking or outright dying. I wonder why...

>>713752673
>References the release context, which is fair
>References the lore

Nigga nobody cares about the lore.

People played Halo cause it was a campy space opera about shooting lizards and zombies

>>713744491
that marine

>>713775859
Eh i think Elites one shotting you from full health with every melee attack is a bit excessive.

>>713783490
>Get on the ring
>Wonder why it was made since it's not a natural formation, maybe the Covenant are right.
>Realize it was made to contain a space zombie apocalypse
>Actually find the zombies and fight them
What's wrong with this?

>>713769256
>>713770319
based
CE will always remain king.

>>713775240
I knew about backpack reloading but I'm a shitter because I can't do it consistently.

>>713785454
Pic unrelated. Blood Gulch is the 2Fort of Halo CE. Icon map that's flat out shit to play on. Though unlike 2Fort you can remove the snipers from the game and it becomes somewhat playable.

>>713785941
Getting rid of snipers won't stop me from taking a scorpion up into the hill behind red base and raining explosions on the entire map with impuny

>>713786072
You can at least see what's actually shooting you and where it's coming from if that happens, and learn how to avoid them on your next respawn.
You can't do that with the snipers.

>>713770012
This is satisfying to look at

>>713785941
>skill issue

>>713751128
Weapon variants were a great addition when outside of the ass cancer lootbox mode they were originally designed for.

https://youtu.be/c9ojqRVStpQ?si=VmJyXHE5GyLJ5zJG&t=229

>>713782269
>>713783141
the MCC multiplayer scene is still pretty active

>>713744179 (OP)
Which Halo is the hardest?

>>713789807
If you're just considering base legendary difficulty without any skulls (mutators) enabled, it's probably Halo 2 or Halo: Reach.

>>713762704
You couldn't dual-wield the needler anymore because they made the needler actually good

>>713789807
At launch? Probably Halo 2.
With MCC where modern frame-rates fuck up enemy AI by giving them fire-rate speedhacks?
Halo 2.
Seriously that cursed game is fucked and they never bothered fixing it, Master Chief is the weakest entity in the game aside from 1 HP infection forms, despite this enemies have uncapped fire rates.

>>713789807
Halo 2 on Legendary and it's not even close

The development was so rushed in the final year that they didn't have time to properly tune legendary's difficulty. Master Chief has less HP than a flood infection form

>>713789807
Halo 2 on legendary and it's not even close

Easiest is probably Halo 3 (+ ODST)

>>713759792
They saved Dustin, along with Johnson, in First Strike

Is there a way to play this co-op (LAN or splitscreen) in 2025 without logging into multiple launchers and spending $40+?

>>713790714
Halo: Custom Edition is still active
https://www.halomaps.org/hce/detail.cfm?fid=410

>>713790054
Dual wielding the Needler looked cool, but it was rather pointless. It only had synergy with itself, and the fun part of dual wielding in Halo was that you could pick a combo of 2 different guns.

>>713758874
>They're fun
why?
like sure if you like zombies they are fun because the flood are the best zombies.
but if you dont like zombies then they suck.
i dont like zombies, i think the flood suck.

>>713759876
because its made for children.

>>713768470
It looks fantastic, but it sounds wimpy and is just a touch too weak in gameplay.

>>713744179 (OP)
wort wort wort

>>713790714
MCC is on sale.

Does anyone else feel like 343 never really got the *feel* for Halo weapons right? Like, they've had the series longer than Bungie but so many of their weapons don't fit the Halo aesthetic. Like the new guns in infinite felt more like something I'd see in Unreal or Fallout over Halo, not to mention the weirdly realistic looking pistol they had.

>>713744179 (OP)
It's great for popping infection forms and grunts. A lot of ammo for it too.

>>713764436
Good list, but why the focus rifle? I always felt it was a weird addition to the sandbox that never really had any use I could think of that the DMR or Sniper couldn't fill.

>>713755462
Flood vs Covenant fights were the highlights of the CE.

>>713744179 (OP)
it was my favorite weapon in halo 1. really good TTK from close-midrange and the best all-rounder if you discount the overpowered pistol. never liked it again in any of the sequels.

>>713744179 (OP)
Play Ruby's rebalanced mod.

>>713795953
I have, it's excellent, I'm looking forwards to Halo 2 Rebalanced.

>>713744491
Counter-Strike was a mistake