Thread 713781570

10 hours into the game and I JUST CAN'T STAND IT ANYMORE.

Core Gameplay
>basic ass open world slop
>endless ubisoft ? literal checklist
>the terrains are extremely annoying to navigate through
>gathering SUCKS, no more tools, just spam pick up loots while you explore

Combat
>extremely simplistic button masher
>enemy is slow and everything is telegraphed, perfect dodge invalidates everything
>combat ends within 10 seconds cuz normal button mash is too strong, no chance to even use items
>you level up too fast. a level up every 1-3 battle. how the fuck am I over level 50 already at the 2nd area?

Crafting
>extremely dumbed down where you can use any materials for anything
>traits are separate items, so materials are no longer unique. quality is the only thing that matters
>crafting is just mindlessly spamming 30-40 items. huge chore. might as well do it on auto
>no cauldron

Aesthetic
>time wasting chinese gacha-esque ADHD twirling animation on everything from opening and selecting a fucking menu to using item to synthetizing.

Performance
>laggy, low fps, crashed 3 times already in the middle of exploring random areas

Goddamn this game is BAD
and I heard Yumia was the fastest selling Atelier game ever? grim if true.
from making gachaslop to open world slop *sigh*

tldr: one of my favorite franchise was turned into a mass appeal slop for modern global audience
tldr of tldr: Atelier is dead

Anyway, I'm off to /v/ archive to read ALL Yumia threads. y'all better not disappoint me by praising this absolute abomination.

It's crazy that Atelier Firis is a way better open world game than Yumia.

>>713781570 (OP)
I've found that it's not an alchemy or action game it's a puzzle game where going from point one to point two is the puzzle. Everything is easy outside of trying to get somewhere.

The producers straight-up mentioned they're trying to appease to western players who want the series to be simplified further and further.

>>713782240
it's a garbage open world RPG with alchemy on the very minor side. an Atelier game should have everything revolved around Alchemy. Yumia is a complete failure of an Atelier game.
Power scaling is extremely busted that doing alchemy isn't even necessary.
Just get max level, get some equipment, perfect dodge everything and win.

post on-model nina imagery

>>713782369
It's really fucking over.
even Ryza 3 with all its dumbing down still feels like an Atelier game, unlike Yumia.
I really like Marie Remake and Sophie 2, but I guess future game will be an intense high speed action open world slop like Yumia too.

Yumia has a fuckable ass therefore it's a good game. It's that simple so it sold well. It really is not that deep of a concept to grasp.

Homos.

>>713782552
Yumia is safe horny

So late-game combat looks like this lmao
not even a second.

Atelier is going through exactly the same shit monster hunter is going through and had the soul completely streamlined out of it.

>>713782634
Literally like every atelier game with maxed out gear. Also they added a new difficulty recently just for that so the webm is outdated.

>>713782664
Atelier used to be so fun and soulful

are anime portraits dead forever?

>>713782829
Probably. Visual novel style dialogue tends to be less attrative for sales nowadays.

reminder that Plachta canonically loves dark skinned pretty boys

>>713782939
>attractive*

>>713781570 (OP)
that's every atelier game

all of that has the same root as censoring pantsu.

>>713782664
Did you see the new game preview?

>>713781919
Firis was my first, and I played all of them from Firis to ryza 2. I feel like I should play some pre Firis games

>>713782961
Sophie was made and launched during peak BLM DEI and woke era.

I liked it a lot.

>>713783074
Play sophie 1

>>713783014
yep, trying to appeal to the global audience. adhering to le global taste and standards.

>>713783078
Sophie 2 I meant

>>713783074
>he hasn't played sophie, arland trilogy and dusk trilogy
yikes.

>>713781570 (OP)
atelier is neptunia/trails tier shovelware and always has been, so why act surprised?

If the alchemy system isn't addicting then the game is shit.

>>713782634
>I hate this game so much I played it over 100 hours and grinded everyone to max level!
bruh

>>713782583
Yumia is way less safe horny than Ryza 3. Ryza 3 got censored extremely hard. So at least there are signs of healing.

What is THE best Atelier game?

>>713783295
Meruru!

>>713783295
Sophie 2.

I played the demo and it was ass.
The franchise is finished. At least you have a ton of good games to play, some series have like 2 good games.

>>713783295
Rorona because that's my eternal atelier background music

>>713783295
Totori

>>713783295
Ayesha

This isn't even atelier any more, they dropped what made the series good

>>713783295
Ayesha

>>713783295
The entire Arland trilogy.

audience just wants cute girls and easy comfy brainless game to pass the time so you get this

>>713783295
Meruru

>>713783262
it doesn't take 100 hours to reach max level. not even 50.

>>713783262
You become strong enough for fights to end instantly shortly after you craft your first weapon my man

I want to fuck Lulua.

>>713783295
Meruru.
Let me get my tiermaker hmm....
>aug 2023
I need to update this

>>713783583
Eva/Stia/Piana/Aurel/Refle...

>>713783584
wait, there's no Atelier game besides Yumia since Aug 2023!?
WHAT THE FUARRRRRRK

>>713783295
Of the ones I've played, Meruru.
But I'm also a Ryza first pleb so my opinion doesn't matter.

>>713783656
No game last year but there's a second one coming out in September. Unfortunately it's reheated assets from the mobile gachashit.

>>713783584
>>713783656
Updated. Yumia deserves its own tier since it's not an Atelier game.

>>713783703
anyone that has meruru at the top is ok in my book

whats with all the Meruru love? i thought i was the only one.

>>713783295
Mana Khemia 1.

>>713783825
best ending to a trilogy
best alchemy system
building a kingdom mechanic was fun
best girls all together

atelier peaked here

>>713783584
>putting ryza that high
The alchemy system in that first game was so mind numbily dull, I don't know how it got any sequels.

>>713782634
if you try hard with crafting (which is trivial) it looks pretty similar much earlier. In the second area for sure, but I'm not sure if there's any material in the first area good enough to make it quite this fast. Still won't take more than 3 item uses though.
main bottleneck is farming particles to unlock the 3rd ring on your items. But some of the early attack items can do this with only medium particles so it's not as much grinding as it might sound like.

>>713783992
Its success had nothing to do with the game itself and you know it.

>>713783825
It's just overall great.
Character sets are complete package since it's the final Arland game
and time limit to push you forward but doesn't feel restrictive.
and >>713783890
Lulua is good too, but not as good.

>>713783992
Ryza got carried by boobs and thighs.
3 games are still too many

>>713784019
I know and it's why I can't stand the Ryza games. It really did signal the down turn of the series because that's where they wanted to get mass appeal which lead to the identity loss we're in now.
Granted, I haven't seen the trailer for the latest yet but I'm not getting my hopes up.

>>713784101
They made Sophie 2 after Ryza and it's great and very Atelier-like.

>>713784101
While the new game is just them taking the gacha and making a console game from it, they did say in the trailer that they're focused on making a traditional turn-based Atelier experience with it and recognized there are people who don't like Yumia's mass appeal direction.

>>713784101
What >>713784197 said. Sophie 2 proves you wrong by being one of, not not THE best game in the entire series.

>>713784257
yeah i have higher hopes for resliana over yumia this year

>All MCs are hags now
It's over.

>>713784197
>>713784272
Yeah, but that doesn't disprove my point at all. Sophie was the most popular before Ryza came so they were either doing it to placate older fans or trying to see how well an old(ish) game would sell with the new fan-base. Which is still part of an identity problem because it shows they're unsure of what direction to take.

>>713784257
I don't know how to feel about that but at least they're hearing fans out.

>>713783759
I played Arland after the Ryza games. IMO:
Meruru > Ryza 2 >= Rorona > Ryza 3 > Totori > Ryza 1
Playing Ayesha next.

They should remake all the old games in Marie: Remake style.

All the time limit games suck ass and aren't fun to play

>>713784257
I hope Gust has their eyes open and take criticism of Yumia seriously. That and putting their foot down on any dumb shit coming from KT to shit up their games. That publisher has been pushing chasing westerners (which is not who's buying their games, it's all other Asians) on their studios.

hopeless franchise

>>713783295
Shallie

>>713784421
you barely even have to care about the time limit in most games, the only ones where they matter are roronoa and totori

Why are the old games still 60 fucking doritos each

Yumia feels like a "Gen 1" of a new tech game I don't know how else to describe it.
I expect them to make the same open world slop for at least 2 more entries. might be better, but still open world slop at core.

>>713784456
contrarian

>>713784554
still better than everything post ryza 1.

Why is Yumia getting shit for the open world when it was Ryza who started it?

>>713784596
I have already shit on ryza for it for years

>>713784596
Alchemy is still the core gameplay of Ryza.

>>713784554
Nah it was kino.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FBg8hfPI6rU&list=RDFBg8hfPI6rU

>>713784595
If you actually think Shallie is better than Sophie 2 then that anon is right you're a massive contrarian.

>>713784650
Ok but that's a different issue

just make an atelier metroidvania next.

I played atelier Totoro as my first game like 15 years ago.. I got to the end and couldn't beat the boss and because of the time limit that was it. She never found out what happened to her mom.. so maybe atelier yumia is made for people like me who got filtered by it.
P.s. I also tried escy and logy but I never finished it

>>713784596
Ryza is barely open-world and despite what /v/ says open worlds aren't inherently bad. There's just way too many shit ones.
Besides Ryza deserves to get shit on for it's shit alchemy system which is more important to the series than being linear vs open world

>>713784456
I like Shallie more than most people but nah. It was the game that removed the time limit and Life Tasks were the most braindead replacement possible.

I seriously want to fuck Lulua.

>>713784660
i do unironically on principle. sophie 2 is gust trying really hard to playcate both a new and old audiance and im not ok with it.

>>713784706
>I got to the end and couldn't beat the boss and because of the time limit that was it
that was my experience when I was 15. Totori was my first PS3 games along with FF13 and Neptunia.

>>713784816
So you're a contrarian

>>713784596
Ryza games aren't open world. 1 and 2 just had regular areas while 3 had large ones but the regions were separate and progress was still gated behind story progression. The only real open world Atelier game is Firis.

>>713784456
Yeah, you gotta explain this fucking stance. Don't care that you like it but the best? Why?

>>713784596
>he forgot who started it all
Man, am I the only one that absolutely LOVED her game?

>>713784846
sure. buzzwords dont effect autists btw.

>>713784876
I LIKE HONDO KAEDE'S VOICE SO MUCH

>>713784894
>buzzword
You literally just said you don't like it because it caters to the majority. That is the literal and I mean LITERAL definition of being a contrarian.

>>713784876
The time limit being back likely filtered people despite the fact that you can get most shit done in like half the time the game asks of you and still easily beat the exam. I miss those sisters.

>>713783395
>>713783446
asha no atelier was pear one
stella was good too

>>713784878
i mean she's right, she's still a nigga tho

>>713784728
This, this was the turning point of alchemy being doomed to devolve into that autoshit that Yumia has.
Unfortunate that no one told them to keep the alchemy in the alchemy game.

>>713784962
ok? the word holds no power is what im saying.
other than serving to derail a conversation.. it has that power i guess.

Dusk trilogy was such a wasted potential.
I want to know more about the world
Also they mistranslated the trilogy.
It's supposed to be TWILIGHT not Dusk. sure they're both Tasogare, but it's Twilight.

>>713781570 (OP)
>Pander to the west
>Fail
Many such cases

>>713785126
I love the irony of people using the fucking word buzzword as a buzzword. You moron.

>>713781570 (OP)
pretty much everything you listed is true, i 100%ed this game only because it was easy, but it also was soul draining

i dont really want any sequels of this, lets hope resleriana will be a lot better

>>713785172
They also called Ayesha just the Alchemist of Dusk instead of Alchemist of the Dusk Land.

>>713785219
No, the issue is that it sold well.

>>713785219
it sold the most out of any atelier game unfortunately so this is what we will get

>People getting hyped for a singleplayer gacha game with still gacha elements in it just because it's turn based again.
We're doomed.

>>713785340
>with still gacha elements in it
This doesn't appear to be the case from the trailer.

>Escha & Logy
>Escha to Logy
>Eschatology
YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
too bad the game didn't live up to its name & potential

>>713785246
so back to shallie being better than sophie 2 specifically because it was still at least feasable for old-telier to return from that point...
no.. you wont even bother.

>>713785515
>it's better because old
You know except the gameplay, the story, the characters, the visuals, the art direction, the alchemy system, the pacing, the end game any of that nah that's not important. If you can't actually speak on it's qualities and need to deflect to some weird, vague shit that has absolutely nothing to do with the actual game then it means you don't actually have this opinion. You're just pretending you do because you like how it sounds cause you're an absolute poser. A contrarian.

>>713785391
>old protagonists as party members
I have a feeling that they won't organically join your party

>>713785417
neat

>>713785624
From what we know so far, Totori, Wilbell, Sophie and Raze are the only returning characters and simply make up the party with the two new ones.

>>713785610
were back where we started. i agree with your assertions specifically. the negative connotation you attached and the wierd assumption is a just you thing.

>>713785706
For now yeah

Resleriana will be unvoiced just like Nelke?

My nigga Judie never gets love because her game never came out in the west, her game didn't have a time limit either but your items can rot for break so it was sorta neat

>>713786074
remake soon. trust the plan.

barrel

>>713783295
Yumia

>>713783534
I don't believe you. In Ryza's game, maxing out the cast is really difficult because you can synthesize good enough gear to beat the game and all the extra bosses halfway there, so you really have to stall and farm mobs like an animal for no reason. If this is anything like that, you sure didn't do it in 50 hours.

>>713788090
>If this is anything like that
it's not
go read any review, all of them will say the difficulty is too easy even on the hardest setting

>>713785610
come on anon do the thing. greentext "just a you thing" and appeal to the majority saying that everybody thinks contrarians are bad. go on anon... god i wish you people wouldnt just fuck off when it becomes clear i wont let you dictate the terms of the conversation.

Atelier (any) or My Time At Sandrock?

>>713782634
you can get this powerful in every atelier game from like the first boss

>>713783295
Blue Reflection 2

>>713788090
it doesnt even require 25 hours to max level in Ymia

>>713788527
>Japan or Chinese slop
gee

>>713793124
Okay but My Time At Sandrock is unironically kino though.

>>713783295
The ones that aren't called Atelier

>>713781570 (OP)
>basic ass open world slop
>extremely simplistic button masher
>enemy is slow and everything is telegraphed, perfect dodge invalidates everything
That's all you need for a game nowadays

You fags are now finally appreciating Meruru? It's always Rorona and Totori when people discuss the arland trilogy.

>>713781570 (OP)
Ryza blowing up in popularity was the beginning of the end. They knew they had to appeal more and more to the sudden new mainstream audience. Jumping on the gacha bandwagon was them getting cash money signs in their eyes. No wonder Yumia turned out like this. I really miss the older pre-Ryza Atelier.

>>713796304
I've always liked Meruru, but never went to Atelier thread since 2022

>>713781570 (OP)
someone pass me a guide to Atelier Ayesha. I want to break the game.

>>713797790
cheat engine

>>713781570 (OP)
>2025
>JRPG
How many times you need to learn ? JRPG been dead since FFX-2.

>>713783295
Ar Tonelico 2.

Best Gust game too.

iris was the only atelier game i played (if that counts cause i never here anyone talk about )
only thing i remember about it though is this song https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAvo10G6LGU

>>713798158
playing on the Switch my brother.

>>713784490
Koei does not like discounts, even on games that sold like ass

>>713799185
>he doesn't know how to cheat on Switch
lol use Edizon/Breeze

>>713796304
Her pumpkin pants were the cutest.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0DAGljC4dcU

any nude mods of Nina? I love brown women so much it's unreal

I just finished GAMING so I'll read the Yumia archives now

>>713781570 (OP)
the performance part seems like a you issue get a better pc stupid retard.

I liked atelier games back when they were called MANA KHEMIA

Based Ryza killed atelier

>>713781570 (OP)
Full Homo thread

It's a japslop, what did you expect.

>>713782369
Also manifests in the complete dearth of actual fanservice. Just look at this embarrassing excuse for an onsen scene. Don't forget the magic pantyshot-denying shorts as well. Hard to believe this is the same GUST that made Ar Tonelico and the Arland games. I don't know how much of it is GUST themselves and how much is Koei Tecmo locking their balls in a vice.

>>713804915
Gpus stopped improving years ago. Expecting people to get a new pc is retarded.

>>713796304
Meruru suffers heavily from trilogy fatigue. Especially with the ports on Steam, with Rorona aping most of Meruru's mechanics.

>>713805909
Odd as fuck looking swimsuits there.

>>713781570 (OP)
Name?

>>713783295
Mana Khemia

>>713799156
>iris was the only atelier game i played (if that counts cause i never here anyone talk about )
Because it's not that good. Mana Khemia or Ar Tonelico are the better "traditional" JRPG games.

>>713806081
Specifically designed to cover up as much skin as possible. Meanwhile, the men go shirtless. Really shows you what "modern audience" means. Now compare to GUST of a decade ago.

>>713806112
Wuthering Waves you fucking noob

>>713781570 (OP)
I put off playing Dusk even though I planned to play it over ten years ago. I beat ayesha some months ago and will prob play logy this summer. I enjoyed the ps2 games especially mana khemia so I don't mind playing as a dude but I miss playing as cute girls, especially Totori, the cutest and do not want to play as a hag. Basically for me cute girl> dude >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> hag

open world slop needs to stop, all it does is make games take forever to come out and they're shit

>>713781570 (OP)
I just got done with the demo and Yumia sure loves to dance

>>713806381
You can choose to play as Escha in E&L if you don't want to play as Logy.

>>713806578
>playing as a girl when a dude is available
sorry I'm not a troon

>>713806578
I don't mind. I might even play him in initial playthrough and use her in 2nd completionist playthrough.

>>713781919
It'll never not be strange to me that lydie and suelle wasn't the same style just felt like an instant downgrade

>>713788090
no, it's nothing like that. Unless you purposely avoid everything you easily hit max level casually in the third area.

>>713807664
>>713781919
Firis was such a janky game, I doubt any of you actually played it.
>time limit in a sprawling open world game
>90% of content is post-game, including most of your fun abilities, quest arcs and such
>retarded stamina system that makes you camp non-fucking-stop else you black out and die
>each recipe must be crafted like a dozen times to "upgrade" it before you can actually make a good item
>awful graphics, no verticality (esp noticeable once you unlock the broom, it can't actually fly up)
>no fast travel until late in the post-game
etc etc

>>713807997
>90% of content is post-game, including most of your fun abilities, quest arcs and such
>each recipe must be crafted like a dozen times to "upgrade" it before you can actually make a good item
These are legit complaints (plus things like the recipe idea system which is fine in theory but can be obscure to the point you miss out on basic recipes), the rest is nullified by how much time the game gives you.
>no fast travel until late in the post-game
Not quite fast travel but you can warp to camps within the same region, walk into the next one over and repeat since the beginning of the game.

>>713807993
only Ayesha is good among Dusk

>>713782829
they used that before to hide the static model

>>713781570 (OP)
someone post the pic of the gust ceo wearing the globohomo bade.

>>713811826
Already been posted.
>>713784435

>>713783295
Can you faggots decide which one is the best already, these game are expensive as shit despite being obvious asset flips

>>713812383
>Can you faggots decide which one is the best already
all the old ones have something great about them it's entirely a matter of taste when they where all really really good. at least we all agree on what ones are not the best.

>>713812383
just pirate them, retard
the only Atelier game I've bought was Totori 14 years ago on PS3.

>>713813332
>just pirate them, retard
No.

The composer of Atelier games made this.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMt7rF1y1YY

>>713781570 (OP)
>ATELIER ... IS SO FUCKING BAD
Yeah
It's common knowledge

>>713807997
not only did i played it, i boughtered it twice and proceeded to 100% both.

Meruru sucked to be desu

You sold your soul to the devil for a bunch of thick thighs

>>713812383
The most newcomer friendly is Ryza
If you like it, then keep going with Ryza 2 & 3
If you're sick of Ryza, then play Rorona to get the "feel" of what an Atelier game is.
Ayesha is kinda difficult and Sophie is a clunky jank fest, so they're hard to recommend.
Arland series (Rorona > Totori > Meruru > Lulua) is the best entry after Ryza.
Dusk and Mysterious Trilogies both have problems that are hard to tolerate if you aren't already an Atelier fan, so it's better to play them later.

avoid Yumia at all cost.

>>713781570 (OP)
Looks worse than a PS3 game

Don't you know? You have to wait for Yumia 3 to play the finished product.

>>713813931
But I liked the Yumia demo

>>713812383
Avoid Ryza and anything released after that, you can't go wrong with older titles

>>713813583
Why is Blue Reflection on there?

>>713814131
General Gust tierlist

>>713813931
yumia clears all that tedious shit

>>713813960
I'm one of the few people here that played sophie on the ps3. It had to have been running at 12 fps it was truly awful. Yumia wins just on performance alone.

The Legend of Yumia: Tears of the Aladiss Kingdom

>>713814304
Where's Ar Tonelico, then?

>>713813931
It sounds like you only like Ryza and Arland.

>>713813583
Shit taste. Meruru is great, Totori sucked.

>>713815347
nah >>713783747

>>713815142
I tried the first one and couldn't get into it after like 10 hours. Felt like a neverending tutorial and the story wasn't doing much for me. Seemed like a neat world though, I want to come back to it eventually

>>713783295
Eschalogy