Why did he destroy Vegeta?

>>713795345 (OP)
>Vegeta
the planet, the king or the prince?

>>713795397
...yes

>>713795345 (OP)
The planet: Because saiyans were a potential threat because of the Super Saiyan legend.
The king: Because he was an uppity little monkey faggot.
The prince: because he was an uppity little monkey faggot.

>>713795345 (OP)
Cause Beerus gave him permission, as a possible candidate for God of destruction.

>>713795535
Super is not canon.

>>713795503
>The planet: Because saiyans were a potential threat because of the Super Saiyan legend.
Actually he was more worried about a Saiyan uprising which would be bothersome

>>713795345 (OP)
Wouldn't you do it if you had the power? Especially if you consider a specific race either a threat or just hate it

>>713795345 (OP)
He is comically evil.

Because he's a racist cunt

>>713795641
he's somewhat reasonable and a very good boss

>>713795613
Aren't most saiyans jobbers with average powerlevels ranging between the triple digits to like 10k at most? I think the Frieza force could probably handle most of them and his elites would dogwalk the rest of them if they tried anything.

>>713795816
>thousands of apes running around with 2000-10000 powerlevel + great ape boost
That would be annoying at least. Imagine them going around the universe and attacking his planets. Plus they were getting stronger.

A saiyan killed his grandfather

>>713795345 (OP)
why, he likes hisself some good ol' submissive bucks

>>713795816
If they all went great ape they would shit all over the Frieza force. At that point only Frieza and the Ginyu force would be able to deal with them.

When are we getting a game where we play as some random Saiyan warrior going around conquering planets?

>>713795345 (OP)
because he could.

>>713795923
>Bardock turns super
Discarded

>>713795641
Frieza is lawful evil.

>>713795816
My power level is infinitely above an ant's but I would still find an ant infestation extremely annoying. In the manga it's pretty clear Freeza doesn't take the Super Saiyan legend seriously.

>>713795590
>Toriyama's last gift to us was making Superslop non-canon
Bless the king.

>>713795345 (OP)
Because the saiyans were the niggers of space.

>>713797273
He's neutral evil. He doesn't keep his promises or deals when it's inconvenient for him e.g. he used his hands when he promised not to against Goku. He has no respect for anything but might makes right. The only reason he appears lawful in early Namek saga is because he's in control. Once he loses control over the situation all bets are off.

>>713797962
He also made Vegeta job after finally unlocking SS3 and then revealed Goku had access to SS4 all along in Daima.
It was Torigod's one last raugh.

>>713795345 (OP)
>be most powerful thing around
>have army of warriors that have a hidden ability to become more powerful than you if they get pissed
>they are barely loyal to reward
>baby warriors clocking in at power levels a tenth of yours and will only grow higher with age
>some "broly" baby was born with a power level exceeding yours
>decide to kill them all before they become a problem
>Wait too long
>the fucking scientist sends his baby to a planet where he becomes stronger than you
>kills you
Frieza really got fucked, didn't he?

>>713798124
I thought SSJ4 you had to basically learn to control the Oozaru then go super saiyan in that form.
Where did he learn it?

>>713796392
Kakarots Bardock DLC let's you do that bur it's basically "press attack button till you win."

>>713798006
>the race with infinite potential for growth
>the race that produced the universe's greatest hero who saved it multiple times
>the race whose ancient members are spoken of in legends
>said legends are all true
>even GoDs stood up in awe before a member of said race
what did anon mean by that?

>>713798349
In the last episode of Daima, Goku explains to Vegeta that he unlocked SS4 after Buu Saga because Buu was pretty strong and he had to be ready for more threats like that. No Oozaru, just training.
Vegeta is devastated by that and says his SS3 isn't actually SS3 but Ultra Vegeta 1.

>>713795345 (OP)
He destroyed them because they were making up half of his army's strength and had zero loyalty toward him.
Plus he was afraid of the legend of the Super Saiyan possibly becoming a thing.
He kinda shot himself in the foot since his best soldiers after he got rid of them was the Ginyu Force but whatever I guess. I think he should've just kept the elite warriors, even if he only kept like 10 or 20 of them they would have been stronger than the Ginyu Force.

>>713795816
They got an average higher than that.
The weaklings with sub 1k powerlevel are the ones sent to weak planets like Goku instead of staying to be trained right and fight on the good planets.
Plus their main strategy's to just wait for a full moon and drop on a planet in groups of 5 to 10 and bulldoze it, because the monkey form just adds a x10 multiplier to their strength.
Fucking Nappa would flatten Zarbon, Dodoria and every member of the Ginyu force except Ginyu himself if he went monkey form.

>>713796218
This. It's kinda easy to forget GA sayain saga vegeta was the strongest gldude in the frieza force outside of frieza of course

>>713798404
They're all retarded violent chimps that pillage and destroy anything they can get their hands on. Goku was only okay because he had brain damage.

whats a good babbon ball bee game on steam sale? I liked budokai tenkaichi 3 a lot, and raging blast 2 a bit but not as much.

>>713798521
>is devastated by that and says his SS3 isn't actually SS3 but Ultra Vegeta 1.
I sometimes forget how Anime Vegeta is actually more of a self parody than DBZA.

>>713799329
Don't know if it's on sale but Sparking Zero is literally Boudoten 4.
FighterZ is also great. Bardock is fair, if you don't think so you're bad at the game.

>>713798668
The Ginyu force would shit on great ape Nappa. They are well over 10 times stronger than him with the exeption of Guldo. Great ape Vegeta is a different story though.

>>713799329
>>713799875
I should mention I'm more looking for something with single player content, hopefully without spending too much on DLC.

Don't know if that effects your answer.

>>713799937
>They are well over 10 times stronger than him
Huh?
He has a base of 4000 but when he got pissed off and powered up against Goku it was boosted enough to at least close the gap enough for Vegeta to think he'd stand a chance against Goku who was standing at a power level of 7000.
The entire ginyu force goes around 40 000 except Guldo who's at like 10k or something.
Nappa would fucking eat them all for lunch. Even if you lowball him he's at WORST on par with them stronger members.

>>713800086
Sparking Zero or Kakarot.

>>713800108
According to the wiki their powerlevels are.
Guldo: 10 000
Reccoome: 40 000
Jeice: 42 000
Burter 43 000
Ginyu 120 000

>>713796218
Except we know for a fact that's not the case. Vegeta even with his tail was still comparable in value to Cui. We see Yajirobe can ace Vegeta in great ape, let alone someone who can go mach fuck you like Zarbon. Mind you in Z Vegeta is the single strongest saiyan during the destruction of planet vegeta. there is absolutely nothing big monkeys can do to Frieza.

>bajeeta goes to Satan City
>accidentally walks past a pride parade
>live tv reporter grabs him
Sir, thank you for being part of this celebration, could you tell me what pride means to you?
>thirty minutes later
>trunks chilling in his bedroom
>boom
>boom
>crash
>bulma walks in
TRUNKS, YOUR FATHER SOMEHOW CONVINCED THE GAYS TO TAKE UP ARMS, WE GOTTA HIDE

>>713800545
Not Frieza but they could do immense damage to his empire. The cost of the damage they would do needs to be taken into consideration. Frieza still has to pay everybody that works for him and that's hard to do if he goes bankrupt because Saiyans started chimping out and destroying all his assets.

>>713800545
First, Broly is canon and he's comparable to second, maybe third form frieze as a child.
Second, Z states Frieza was intimidated by Saiyans somehow experiencing easier and easier times achieving high power levels with each successive generation.

>>713800367
Well then like I said, you lowball him and worst case he's on par with them, and if you take into account the comment Vegeta made and the one Goku made before he used Kaioken he's probably killing them all except Ginyu.

>>713800895
It would be a pretty cool what if for a dragon ball game where Vegeta goes great ape on Namek.

>>713800545
>>713800108
It really just comes down to if you think Nappa was stronger than 4000 when pissed. We've never gotten Canon clarity on that I think.

Then again, I'm pretty sure Guldo would just cut his tail with time stop.

>>713801138
I really wish we could have seen the Ginyu force function as a proper unit atleast once. Their team synergy is pretty crazy.

>>713800545
>even with his tail
The tail does nothing on its own.
Your power level increases IF there's a full moon when you have the tail, or if you're just that guy you can make an artificial moon like Vegeta did, at the cost of a bit of your strength dropping from making it.
Vegeta and Cui had the same power level but power level isn't everything.
The rest of these retards in the Frieza Force think it's an ultimate reading but it's not, Vegeta and Ginyu know that and the Z Fighters bashed that into the cranium of the rest of them.
If they had actually fought Vegeta probably would've ripped his throat out pretty fast.
>Yajirobe can ace Vegeta in great ape
A Vegeta that was wounded, got blinded in one eye and was flanked by Goku, Krillin and Gohan. He dodged Krillin's destructo disk pretty swiftly without even knowing he was there by the way, he just didn't expect two sneak attacks in a row.

nah

>>713801138
>Guldo would just cut his tail with time stop.
He can't use his other powers while stopping time.
It's only good to move around and beat up people and even that doesn't amount to much since you saw him getting pressed by fucking Krillin and Gohan.
His only actual useful move is the paralysis thing, now that one could actually do something, and that's assuming they don't just brute force their way out of it because that's how DBZ characters work against gimmick shit when they're much stronger than the gimmick.

friezas dick

>>713801383
Head just need anything sharp to do so though, evident by Yajirobi doing it. I think a bigger question would be I the ginyu force knows of the tail weakness of the form, I'm not sure if it was ever brought up by frieza force members.

>>713801593
I'm telling the doc about this.

>>713796929
makes more sense than seeing schizophrenic images of his son

>>713801610
Yeah, it might not be common knowledge.
The earth knows about it mostly by accident

>>713795345 (OP)
Frieza is the only good written villian in DBZ.

>>713800857
Not when they weren't integrated into the force proper, the saiyans were basically sub contracted like the russians do with chechans. Saiyans chimping out would have just made Frieza send Dodoria and a kill squad, like he did to Torah and his crew.
>>713800892
In Z, so no Broly isn't canon. Dumb fucking esl.
And if Broly is canon, then Frieza's actual reasoning is their a disloyal dog that will turn on him and not worth the trouble of keeping around, he's not scared.
>>713801138
Nappa is irrelevant to the fact that great ape is not a true 10x boost. Great Ape Vegeta was dodged and hurt by Goku who needed KKx4 to beat his base. 9kx4<18kx10 is a greater differential than Goku's 90k vs Jeice and Burters 40k, Yet Goku effortlessly outsped them.
>>713801276
The tail gives access to great ape retard, and having someone who can temporarily be stronger than Ginyu, would be infinitely higher value then send to nothing worlds like earth. But we see that's not the case, the fanbase overrates the shit out of great ape, when the story shows its irrelevant.

>>713796929
Canon doe

>>713795397
Yes

>>713799020
Goku was okay because he was raised by good people

>>713802507
And the brain damage

>>713802082
>But we see that's not the case
Are you maybe retarded or what?
They're put on the same pedestal of "Frieza's elite soldiers".
There's no rank above that.
In fact Vegeta was getting preferential treatment compared to the other members of the Frieza Force.
They even expected Cui to get killed but thought Vegeta would at least take some wounds out of it.
And obviously they don't factor him turning into a Great Ape willy nilly when fighting, you dumb retard. To begin with making artificial moons is something very few Saiyans can do according to himself. Nappa can't do it and Raditz can't do it, so obviously that was a thing only he knew how to do.
>great ape is not a true 10x boost.
Holy retard.
>wounds from Kaioken hits
>exhaustion from beam clash and losing it
>lost more strength from making an artificial moon
>URR DURR WHY ISN'T HE AT 180 000????

>Great Ape Vegeta was dodged and hurt by Goku who needed KKx4 to beat his base
Yeah sure, let's forget how Vegeta was utterly blitzing him and how shocked Goku was that he was even faster despite becoming bigger, or the fact that he swatted Goku out of the air and crushed him like a bug even though Goku used Kaioken to run away and that Vegeta was just fucking with him until he got mad at getting his eye sniped.

I'm getting swarmed by videos saying that the latest Sparking Zero patch saved the game, is that true or is it just cope?

>>713795816
>10 fighters that have guns
>1000 guys that have knives and have a grenade in their pocket whenever the full moon is out
Who do you think will win between them? The problems with Saiyans is that they were an entire planet's worth of a warrior race that constantly got stronger non stop unless they were killed and their Oozaru transformation further strengthened them.
Frieza wasn't of one or two of them, he was worried about a potential uprising and the damage it can cause if the entire planet went up against him.
Friezas Elites are in the few dozens he doesn't have that much with the rest being all grunts. Frieza would still win but it would be too much trouble than just blow them all up.

>>713802980
They finally broke Shallot out of the shitty mobile game prison, you decide.

>>713802507
Well Goku still has that Saiyan selfishness. It's really fucking hard to talk about because of TFS brainrot but Goku is a really selfish person

>There’s how, basically, Son Goku from Dragon Ball doesn’t fight for the sake of others, but because he wants to fight against strong guys. So once Dragon Ball got animated, at any rate, I’ve always been dissatisfied with the “righteous hero”-type portrayal they gave him. I guess I couldn’t quite get them to grasp the elements of “poison” that slip in and out of sight among the shadows.

That is direct from Akira Toriyama in an interview with Wired Japan, November 21st 1996. This does not mean Goku is evil. This does not mean that Goku doesn't care about his family. What this does mean is that Goku has an obsession with fighting that's so overbearing that it causes problems. He didn't spare Vegeta because he saw good in him, Goku spared Vegeta because Vegeta was the best punching bag he ever had. And Vegeta trying to kill his friends and family wasn't enough for him to give that up. That would be insane for anyone else but that's just who Goku is. The Saiyan push to constantly fight has been translated as a constant need to fight in order to push himself, thanks to Grandpa Gohan.

>>713802980
It gots Shallots

>>713803050
>>713803073
But I like playing Chiaotzu, Kuririn and Yamcha

>>713803071
Amen to this.
TFS and the English dub really tried to cement Goku as some Superman good guy savior of the oppressed but he was always just a guy that liked to fight first and a nice guy secondly.
He put lots of things at stakes just for the opportunity to have a good or fair fight.

>>713802837
Goku not instantly dying to a guy at 100 000 at least is retarded

In fact, you can prove Oozaru isn't x10 this easily: Goku had enough power in his genkidama to beat Oozaru Vegeta but lost half of it. After that, they used that remaining half and almost killed Vegeta who should have been 10x weaker... But he survived actually.
If great ape was actually x10 this genkidama would have killed Vegeta, easily.

>>713795816
Its funny realizing that when vegeta first showed up, he was the peakest saiyan jn generation and by cell saga, even Yamaha was way stronger than that

>>713803071
>>713803154
Super going back to that characterization and being hated for it proves that people would rather Goku be asian Superman.

>>713795345 (OP)
Because he's afraid of the Saiyans. He says he does it because of the legend of the Super Saiyan, but really, when you get to the root of that fear, he's just afraid of the Saiyans. He's insecure.

>>713803071
This interview by SENILEyama is retarded and full of shit. The only time Goku has shown selfishness was sparing Vegeta and not only is the context pretty strong, but he also regretted it later and said he knew it was wrong. Literally any other time he does everything he can to ensure things are fine. Goku isn't a perfect little angel or even a superhero but he's absolutely a hero, with a few comedic flaws to give him more personality.

>>713795345 (OP)
Shoutenings @ space joker

>>713803189
>at 100 000
I highly doubt he was even close to 100 000.
Like I said his power level DROPPED when he made the artificial moon.
>Goku had enough power in his genkidama to beat Oozaru Vegeta but lost half of it. >almost killed Vegeta who should have been 10x weaker
I wouldn't say even almost. He kinda just shrugged it off and got back up right after. What got him was the constant battering and exhaustion, like having to deal with monkey Gohan, the accumulation of damage, the genki dama and all that.
That motherfucker just wouldn't go down.

>>713803389
>>713803071
>>713803154
>>713803317
Let's debunk the "Poisonous Goku" bullshit for a moment

>>713802837
Lets ignore that Goku was wounded from the fight as well, body tearing itself apart due to Kiaoken overuse, and even fresh to the fight needed to go all out to beat Nappa who he fucking doubled in power.
Great ape is a meme form, wouldn't beat Dodoria. Every saiyan together in great ape wouldn't beat the Ginyu force.

>>713803420
>I highly doubt he was even close to 100 000.
Could be, could be something else. Either way, if you think 100% Genkidama defeats Oozaru Vegeta but 50% Genkidama only ALMOST defeats Base Vegeta, then there's no way Base Vegeta is 10 times weaker than Oozaru Vegeta. Simple math.

>I wouldn't say even almost. He kinda just shrugged it off and got back up right after
No, he spent a few moments lying on the ground and after that he was almost dead too. Yajirobe fucked him up good. I'm pretty confident a full power Gohan or Krillin would give him a hell of a fight in that state, the guy was barely able to walk.

>>713803154
The problem with TFS wasn't that they made Goku superman. It was that they played up Goku being an idiot so much that Goku just didn't give a fuck about his family. So now, if someone points out that Goku was a bad dad, the kneejerk reaction is

>YOU'RE JUST A SECONDARY THAT WATCHED TFS REEEE

When no, Goku prioritizing fighting above all is canon. Goku just assuming Gohan would rise to the challenge of Cell because he would? That's canon. Goku just abandoning his family for months, sometimes years, at a time is canon. But Goku is given slack for that because he's the MC and Earth is constantly plagued with eldritch aliens, demons, and gods for Goku to punch. Goku didn't refuse to come directly home from Namek because he feared Frieza's return. He refused because he saw a training opportunity and he took it. In hindsight it worked out because Instant Transmission is one of his most useful abilities to this day. But it's still an example of how Goku will put his family on the back burner for the next tier of power because he just expects them to still be there after his next adventure.

>>713803614
I wouldn't be as sure about that as you. The 10x multiplier, stated by Vegeta, is wildly incongruent with what we've seen of Oozaru and of Vegeta and friends being mocked and shat on by Freeza Elites like Zarbon and Ginyu. But it wouldn't be that much of a stretch to think they would at least give Zarbon or Dodoria trouble, just not Ginyu. Never Ginyu, and maybe not even the other members.

>>713803389
He tried to spare Frieza and he gave a sensu bean to Cell. He's full of retarded battle autism moments all the way through.

>>713801138
Nappa is way higher than 4000. He was keeping up with base Goku.
Also the average Frieza soldier is a shitter who can get mogged by Krillin or Gohan with a power level of 1500.

>>713803631
>Goku prioritizing fighting above all is canon
It's not
>Goku just abandoning his family for months, sometimes years, at a time is canon
It literally happened once, after Namek. You're taking things out of context. We've seen plenty of instances showing Goku to be a good dad spending time with his family. I guess you could count Uub as well but that's one of these "end of story" things. You could try to argue that he didn't see Bulma for 5 years at EoZ, but that's something all the Z fighters do. Tenshinhan says he'll never see the others again. The DB world has weird social cues.

>>713803336
>he's just afraid of the Saiyans. He's insecure.
It's a mix of both.
A lot of people miss that but when Frieza and Vegeta have their initial showdown, at first Frieza was actually shitting his pants a little.
Whenever Vegeta made the proclamation of being a Super Saiyan, Frieza was actually shocked every time and had to try to laugh it out and actually put it to the test. Then the same when he said Goku finally achieved it.
>>713803492
>poisonous
For every panel in that picture I can probably give you two scenes where he decided to be selfish and endangered others for a good fight.
I'm not telling you he's a psychopath even if it's definitely a funny thing to think about, he's a good guy but he's also willing to put his friends to the side if it means he can fight someone strong.
>>713803614

>>713803947
Whoops, didn't mean to quote the last guy.

>>713803631
>Goku just assuming Gohan would rise to the challenge of Cell because he would? That's canon
Pic related. He didn't do it for fun.

>>713803793
Sparing Freeza had nothing to do with battle autism. The entire Freeza fight was also an internal psychological fight between the good natured Goku and the Super Saiyan.

Cell's senzu was a taunt. It changed absolutely nothing about Cell being able to kill them all. It just showed he was 100% confident in Gohan and was also possibly a way to taunt Cell into making sure Gohan awakens his full power.

>>713803317
Super made the same mistake TFS did where they played up Goku's naivete too much, to the point he became stupid. Goku isn't supposed to be retarded, just ignorant. Goku in DragonBall was barely functional because he was raised in the woods and so doesn't have a grasp on technology or social standards. But in Super, Goku has been integrated into society for what? 30 something years? By that point Goku shouldn't be as much of an idiot as he is. Goku was able to just look at Cell and size up his threat level. But a decade later and he can't tell Monaka is just a regular dude?

It's why I consider the Tournament of Power to be the biggest waste of potential in the series. Goku starts playing chicken with the apocalypse because he's bored and he just assumes everything is going to be okay. The DragonBalls have always bailed him out and if they weren't available then Goku's cadre of gods were there to bail him out. Neither were an option since this is now almighty god doing it and all of existence rests under his thumb. Beerus is correct in that Goku playing his usual games is seriously endangering everyone and that maybe it's better if he were just gone for everyone else's sake.

But then it pivots and now it's that Goku saved everyone. Even though Goku had no idea of the intent of the Tournament of Power when he asked for it. Actually winning the Tournament of Power wasn't what saved everyone, you needed to make a certain kind of wish or else everyone would've died anyway

>>713803947
>For every panel in that picture I can probably give you two scenes where he decided to be selfish and endangered others for a good fight.
Nope, because the only instance was Vegeta and he regretted it himself a chapter later. Because Goku was always written with common sense (see >>713803932)
He'll take his chances with someone like Piccolo at the 23rd Budokai, but that's being bold, not selfish or putting his friends to the side. That's a complete different story, and that's not what the manga has shown.

>>713803793
>>713804096
He wanted to PROVE that he was stronger than Frieza and also that Frieza was a little weak insecure bitch by doing that.
There was both battle retardation and psychological warfare in that fight.

>>713804157
>Beerus is correct in that Goku playing his usual games is seriously endangering everyone and that maybe it's better if he were just gone for everyone else's sake
No, it's retarded and it's a DBS/nu Toriyama thing.

Friendly reminder that Goku was going to dodge Freeza on Namek, following Kaio's orders

>>713804096
Okay? Also remember Goku telling Gohan that power arises from a need. Goku lost his fucking mind at Frieza killing Krillin and it made him ascend to Super Saiyan. Or hell look at how Goku mulched Tambourine. So Goku is already familiar with the concept of weaponizing anger. But as Piccolo told Goku, that type of plan is dangerous because Gohan just isn't keyed in to the same killer instinct. Or if you want to argue he is then at best there was no guarantee that Gohan would benefit from it before he was killed.

>>713804157
In defense of Monaka, he does question it, Beerus just threatens him with violence to accept his word as truth, which combined with the existence of androids with no ki like 17/18, god ki that is imperceptible like Shin and SSG, and DBS focus on control of power and ki; it's hardly a stretch for Goku to believe Monaka is possessing a power he can't perceive.

>>713804231
>He wanted to PROVE that he was stronger than Frieza and also that Frieza was a little weak insecure bitch by doing that.
He already proved it long before sparing him.

Look at the base Goku vs Freeza fight. Goku was desperate to save his friends, not prove himself. The Genkidama victory would have been a perfect outcome for him, much happier than the Super Saiyan fight. If you think there is some dark feelings other than "make Freeza suffer" then they're completely due to the Super Saiyan influence making him more violent and enraged.

>>713802637
And the brain damage

>>713804190
>He'll take his chances with someone like Piccolo at the 23rd Budokai, but that's being bold
No, no. He was straight up endangering people.
Letting Piccolo injure him to make the fight fair after Kami intervened wasn't boldness. Fucking Roshi himself spelled it out mid fight, when he fights someone and enjoys it he shuts out everything else.

>>713804523
>there was no guarantee that Gohan would benefit from it before he was killed
There was none, that's why Goku was so desperate in the panel I posted. Look at it again. He's got a single chance to beat Cell and it's to rely on Gohan's hidden power, and it's a long shot. He has faith in his son so he can show a strong facade but it was NOT a fun gamble.

>>713804368
Its a post SS thing. They all choose to allow the androids to exist despite Trunks coming from a very real future where every one of them gets slain by said androids.

>>713804621
And that's why Goku only did that against Piccolo, an opponent he KNEW he could take (and in fact, he defeated with a pretty comfortable margin, only struggling at the end because of a sneak attack almost killing him, but if not for that it would have been much easier)

Compare this to Goku's reaction to Raditz. Or Goku and friends ganging up on Vegeta.

>>713804694
Yes, that's a general issue of the writing becoming a little weaker rather than a personality trait. If not then you'd have to argue every single guy in the room (other than Bulma) is a lunatic and a dangerous battlefag, not just Goku. But people like to push this on Goku and Goku only because it sounds really nice and intellectual.

>>713802980
Cope, they were banking on Daima to save the game but it flopped so they either abandoned the game or even more cope on my end, they're actually working on something that's worth a damn.

>>713804549
>Look at the base Goku vs Freeza fight. Goku was desperate to save his friends, not prove himself.
The base fight was a different scenario altogether.
He didn't come to Namek to fuck around, that was his absolute last chance to save his friends who died fighting Nappa because Porunga was the only option to revive Piccolo (and that retard decided to risk it all for some reason by teleporting on Namek just to job).
He was enjoying fighting Frieza at first, but when he realized that Frieza saying he wasn't even using 1% of his power the entire time wasn't a lie, he stopped enjoying it, because it was just a one sided beatdown. He wasn't fighting and got to enjoy a fight where he could at least see a light at the end of the tunnel, he was just fighting to stay alive and hopefully also keep the others alive.
When he got on an even ground with Super Saiyan he started enjoying himself again and had time to laugh and crack jokes.

>>713795345 (OP)
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=bL5EK9vsCY0&pp=ygUXdGhlIHBsYW5ldCBteSBzb24gb3IgbWU%3D

>>713795816
Great Ape Vegeta is stronger than the entire Ginyu force.

>>713804860
Not him but they push it on Goku because the others don't really get to have a say on the matter.
It's really just Goku, Vegeta and Piccolo.
Tien also wanted to fight but he's also way weaker than them, Piccolo was still on the fence of whether to be entirely good or still a little prick, and Vegeta was entirely evil, so Goku's the only one left to put the blame on.
What I always find funny is how they also like to blame Vegeta partly for the arc when the only reason he was here in the first place was to kill Goku and he had done nothing but space training for the runback.

>>713797962
Nah, it's the kids show that isn't canon.

>>713804874
>He was enjoying fighting Frieza at first
Yes, he's a lifelong martial artist so he enjoys the high level exchanges. But he had a goal in mind too, these aren't contradictory. If he could dodge Freeza, he would have done so.
>When he got on an even ground with Super Saiyan he started enjoying himself again and had time to laugh and crack jokes.
This is completely different from the base fight, at that point it's far more mean spirited and personal, the "fighting the strongest guy ever" aspect of it was far less pronounced.

Basically pic related.

>>713802980
it's a lot better for compfagging. But why the fuck are you compfagging in an arena fighter?
>>713804949
No he's fucking not. They are infinitely faster than him (goku was able to dodge great ape vegeta), and don't have the double weakness of tail and a functioning moon, both of which can be removed by any of the force while vegeta fails to even hit Guldo.

>>713803492
I always found that line when he becomes super saiyan strange. How did he know he needed a seren heart to become one? Was it Yamoshi possessing him? I'm sure it's just Toriyama having no idea how to convey that naturally

>>713805075
I mean... you're just agreeing with my points here, kek.
I think we're just saying the exact same thing.

>>713805075
Also this
Yes, he does say "have no regrets as a warrior", but look at what Kaio says in the last panel. It's a lot of different things at once.

>>713805105
>No he's fucking not.
Yes he is.

>>713805107
It's just nonsense Toriyama made on the fly.
Like how Krillin kept spouting this headcano nthat you needed a pure heart to be a Saiyan or you can't use the Genkidama while being a Super Saiyan because when you're one you have evil in your heart.

>>713805059
Which one? There were two of them.

>>713805184
Then why did he need Goku (last known power level 40) to take on whatever planet they were being sent to before Raditz died?

>>713804621
That was no one understanding that Goku could kinda read the true nature of people at that point. He didn't feel Piccolo Jr was evil so he didn't want to just murder him.

>>713805107
He just said he had a serene heart and got shifted by rage. Krillin was the one who said you needed a serene heart to become a Super Saiyan, much later, and this one you might attribute to an instance of "author's knowledge gets shared with the characters", or you could think of ways that would explain it. Toriyama often has his characters operate on incomplete information and make misguided assumptions, so that would be a bit of an outlier.

>>713805352
He didn't.

>>713805403
It was also to spare Kami and let the Dragon Balls live on too, which is a good reason imo

>>713805452
>he didn't

>>713805971
At that point Goku was around 500-1000 + Oozaru, which wouldn't really tip the scales that much but it's convincing enough to think Raditz would fetch him I say

>>713806063
>misses the point
I accept your concession. Great Ape Vegeta was not stronger than Ginyu

>>713804157
>Actually winning the Tournament of Power wasn't what saved everyone, you needed to make a certain kind of wish or else everyone would've died anyway
That part was the fucking worst. I didn't expect good writing from Super but that was just abysmal.

>We all got together and had an elaborate competition specifically to axe these redundant universes and you just brought them all back?!
>Good job, that's exactly what we wanted. Would have killed you if you didn't
Fuck you

>>713806297
I'm not that first anon, but yes I agree, at best I could conceive him being stronger than Recoome but even that is a stretch

>>713805971
He was talking about rising up against Frieza but couldn't say that directly because he was broadcasting.

>>713806460
>lying
You don't need to keep conceding we all see you lost already.

>>713806596
There was no planet they were having trouble with so that's the only conclusion to draw from what he said.

>>713806679
Could have been Yardrat

>>713795397
>>713795502
>>713802492
TFSfags OUT

>>713795769
>kills his subordinate in a fit of rage

>>713795397
Have they apologized for this joke yet?

>>713806707
That was reserved for the Ginyu and Friza doesn't care that much about saiyan lives to hold up with a planet just because they might lose.

>>713806852
When did that happen?

>>713805142
That last panel is some lore that got thrown in a gutter when everyone turned super, isn't it?

>>713795769
>t. filthy white lizard

>>713806852
That's filler

>>713807005
To be fair they had to actually master their Super Saiyan state to remove the rage aspect during the Cell arc

>>713806679
>Raditz outright says there's a planet the three of them can't take on
>anon disbelieves this
>Vegeta says great ape is a 10x multiplier despite numbers in dragonball being fake and entirely disconnected from on screen action
>anon believes this

>>713807061
>Goten
>Trunks

>>713807185
>Raditz outright says there's a planet the three of them can't take on
>anon believes this
>Vegeta says great ape is a 10x multiplier
>anon disbelieves this

>>713807195
Yeah the Buu arc kinda dropped this. This page seemed to maintain the idea that it made you more serious and violent but that's the only one I can think of. Maybe the Majin Vegeta parts showing his rage through transformation too?

>barely any /dbs/ style shit posting
>actual discussion
I've either hit a timeline shift or the shitposting has gone so advanced it's became a new level of subtle.

>>713806063
>which wouldn't really tip the scales that much
Even just 500*10 is 5000, stronger than base Nappa. He wouldn't be some amazing ace in the hole but it's not insignificant at all, also the sooner they grabbed him the faster he would start to power up. Even if they thought they could only eventually get Raditz levels of power out of him that's still almost base Vegeta levels.

Haaaaaaai anons!~ does anybody here have any boyfriend recommendations for me?

>>713807428
you're not on /a/ so they haven't found the thread

>>713807195
>>713807337
They ARE kids, and kids get angry over the smallest things.

>>713807718
There's a difference between a child's frustration over not getting a cookie and the primal rage you feel when you realize you can't do anything against the people killing both you and everything you ever loved

>>713807941
>a child's frustration over not getting a cookie
You've never had younger siblings or nieces and nephews, have you?

>>713795345 (OP)
>Saiyans
Race of low impulse control murderhobos. He did the universe a favour rly

>>713795345 (OP)
Why was every single saiyan, except for 4 (or up to 7 depending on which retcons are canon) at home and not on missions

>>713808175
He told them all to come home because he had a big surprise for them

>>713808054
Are you seriously comparing a temper tantrum with a life and death struggle? By your own logic, Goku should've become a Super Saiyan at birth.

>>713808175
Frieza called them all back before destroying them. At least according to DragonBall Minus. Bardock thought it was weird that the emperor that deals in genocide would call all his genocidal warriors back to one place. Which is why he launched Kakarot to Earth when he did

>>713795345 (OP)
Because they might rebel, because he might have rebelled, and because he rebelled. >>713795397

>>713808492
Anon, for a child that cookie is life or death. I repeat, you must not have had younger siblings, nieces or nephews and I know damn well you weren't a perfect angel. Mix that with the saiyan genealogy and I'm not surprised that some kids could become super saiyans. You don't have to be in a life-or-death situation to trigger someone's anger.

>>713798404
Goku is essentially an earthling. Dude has nothing to do with his own race and doesn't even give a shit about it.

>>713807243
Unlike Vegeta, everything Raditz says isn't immediately disproven.

>>713804621
Namkes had 4 fingers on each hand?

>>713808756
The problem is that this

>some kids could become super saiyans

didn't happen. It was so long since the last Super Saiyan that the Saiyans that did believe in it assumed it happens randomly in 1000 year cycles. Just being angry is not enough and never has been. That's exactly why no one fucking liked Goten and Trunks randomly having it. You can't even argue its a genetic thing because Vegeta wasn't a Super Saiyan before he fucked Bulma

>>713807185
numbers were pretty real until the namek arc.

>>713808995
Yes but the anime gives piccolo 5 a lot of the time.

I don't understand kaioken.
It multiplies your ki output far beyond your body's natural limits. So, if you train your body and your natural ki limits, it's still going to multiply your current ki output to also past your limits. That's just how multiplicative bonuses work.
So how is it that when Goku has 8,000 ki, he has trouble multiplying it to 2 to 4 times to 16k or 24k for single attacks. But then when he has 100k or two of ki, he can do a prolonged fight at 10 to 20 times beyond his limit with zero drawbacks.
"twice as powerful as your body can take" IS twice as powerful as your body can take, no matter how much the starting 1x is.

>>713809461
he trained in the kaioken more

>>713809461
Wet socks before put on boots = longer kaioken.

sssh though keep it a secret ok

>>713809284
>scouter numbers immediately shown to be useless as soon as Goku and Piccolo pull off their training gear

>>713809170
>You can't even argue its a genetic thing because Vegeta wasn't a Super Saiyan before he fucked Bulma
Goten wasn't even an idea when Trunks was being sketched. If Toriyama were alive, I'd tell you to take that one up with him.

>>713808995
Only in the original manga. Toei always gave them 5 fingers, and Toriyama either forgot or capitulated when he drew reference sheets for Battle of Gods, which Toyo then also used as his reference for the Super manga.

>>713809461
The stronger you are the easier it is to keep the technique from ripping you apart, since you're just functioning as a conduit for the energy to flow through. At least that's how I think it works, Tori played fast and loose with every concept.

>>713809595
So he trained to endure kaioken but somehow said training didn't increase his base level at all? Because if he got stronger then he kaioken would've as well, making his training not matter anymore.

>>713795345 (OP)
same reason jews are hard at work destroying Earth. Lizards and monkeys are primordial, irreconciliable enemies

>>713806869
Did something happen with them recently?

I'm still mad that King Kai didn't teach anything to the earthlings when they were on his planet. Imagine what they could do with kaioken or if one of them learned the genkidama.

>>713801358
NO! THAT FUCKING IDIOT!

>>713810451
I'm mad that Super Saiyan God was explained as a Saiyan thing and not as a natural extension of Kaioken. Kaioken, which was taught by a god, is identified by its fiery red aura and multiplying ki. It could've been a watered down version of the real thing until a mortal was physically ready to handle it.

I'm glad the movies and Daima retconned Super.
Super was so fucking retarded.

>>713810451
Tien was built for Kiaoken, outside of Dodonpai all his moves have downsides.

>>713810920
That does sound alot cooler than Super saiyan god.

>>713810962
True. Kaioken coupled with his other high risk high reward moves could keep him relevant for a while longer too.

>>713803317
Don’t try to lump your faggot shit in with his argument. Super makes goku a fucking retard, and has nothing to do with his motivations and selfishness. Peoples problem with him in super is that they made him a fucking drooling retard, which is a complete backslide from what he was in Z.

>>713811212
It's funny how he has the most relevance of the humans in terms of power after namek, and then super just fucking trashes him, loses to Roshi, loses to literally who sniper, in the manga gets upstaged by chaotsu.

>>713811394
I really don't like how he was treated. I always thought Tien was cool.

DBS: Broly had a proper Goku characterization. Goku letting Broly live just because he wants to have a super-strong sparring partner.

>>713811768
Too bad everything that wasn't this or the animation was absolute ass about this movie.

>>713811643
I don't mind if Tien, or any of the humans, just retiring. I used to be angry that they couldn't keep up with the power creep but if that's just never going to happen then let them move on. My problem is that these characters can't keep up with the power creep but they're still forced to stick around just so they can job for the characters who actually matter. If Tien only exists to be punched in the face and leave, fucking stop bringing him

>>713806869
Why would they? Not their fault every single faggot in the universe decided to parrot it for a decade

They also refuse to apologize for the Mr Popo fucking Jinx joke

>>713812036
they don't even exist to job, because they lose to nobodies now. Like name a single character from the ToP that eliminated a human?

>>713812036
Krillin shouldn't retire, desu. He is the world's strongest human.

>>713813874
>Krillin
>Officially retired twice
>Spends most of his days at work or drinking beers while playing with his daughter
>strongest human

>Tien
>Never once retired
>spends every day training or teaching
>not the strongest human

>>713805971
I get sad thinking of the absolute KINO dragonball could have been if Goku had gone with Raditz, and Gohan's training with Piccolo was in prep for the inevitable return of his world-endingly powerful retard father

At the very least if Raditz and Nappa had survived or they retrieved them from the afterlife.

>>713814023
you forgot
>Tien
>lost a fight to a 30+ years out of practice possessed master roshi

>>713814358
I want a Nappa revival. Have him go to capsule corp to fight Vegeta as revenge, Trunks turns super saiyan and Nappa immediately backs down and pursues his true passion of smoked meats. He'd only show up in ensemble scenes after then with a kiss the cook apron and a beer.

>>713814418
Super was so fucking retarded it's unreal.

>>713795397
>>713795502
>>713802492
TFunnyS IN

>>713815842
KEKYPOOPY

>>713814023
Krillin has heart and purpose to fight
Tien has... what?

>>713810451
>>713810962
>"I'll put my own spin on kaioken"
>next time he does jack shit is against Cell
What do you think "new Kikoohoo" is?

>>713817879
It's an attack that converts lifeforce into power and rapid fires blasts far more powerful than the user should be able to use. Add Kaioken on top of that and Tien would undoubtedly kill himself using it but he could probably take Semi-perfect Cell out with it.

why wasn't super bardock in sparking zero?

>>713818150
>Add Kaioken on top of that and...
He already did. That's what makes it "new" and separates it from the original

>>713818458
Because they half assed every aspect of the game including the character roster.

>>713818678
Goku is the only character besides the Kai that knows Kaioken, retard.

>>713807530

>>713807530
write a drama fanfic about you and future gohan in the future where you try to hold him back from going to fight the androids but you have to say a tearful goodbye before his final fight

>>713818859
The manga spells it out for you.

Team BOJACK'd Star lost.
Dragon Ball TRACEverse lost.

>>713819213
No it fucking doesn't did you even read the image you posted you dumb nigger? There is no mention of kaioken.

>>713819213
>never showed anything for it and just went back to spamming Tri Beams
For shame.

>>713819440
He's literally thinking that ON KING KAI'S PLANET after talking about training under him. The "technique" he's talking of is Kaioken.

OUR HERO!

>>713820017
Why is he always so mad?

>>713820168
because toriyama said krillin is stronger

>>713814023
>B-BUT...
STRONGEST EARTHLING

>>713795345 (OP)
Because Beerus told him to.

What was Dr Piccolo's famous catchphrase again?

>>713820320
Not even a human

>>713806750
you wouldn't know it was TFS if you hadn't watched it beforehand. congratulations on proving your retardation

>>713820320

>>713820578
"If doctor's erection lasts for more than 4 hours, please consult another doctor"