>Not even 1 million europeans care enough to sign this
This just pisses me off, regardless of winning or not. Bunch of defeatist faggots that can't even bother to spend a minute signing an online petition. No wonder the industry is the way it is if people just accept getting buttfucked
>>713803117 (OP)All the biggest promoters are burgers
>>713803117 (OP)>petitioni don't give a shit about your slacktivism.
>>713803117 (OP)No one cares what Europe says. This board defends online only games because gacha has hot anime girls
>>713803117 (OP)Europeans dont have that much presence in the gaming space. All the big ones are like, Fifa retards who sincerely dont get it
no one in europe knows this even exists. all the youtubers talking about it right now are doing it in english, and since the uk left the amount of people in europe who know english greatly diminished
>>713803308how else would you do this? the petitions go straight to EU parlament, this aint some change.org thing
I signed and got my brother and friends to sign this petition 10 months ago
This is simply just not very well advertised. Ross didn't approach this very well.
Seems like the dramatubing approach right now might get it to the finish line, though. A bunch of big gaming e-celebs are getting in on it and it's definitely finally getting more European eyes on it.
>>713803546language aside i think most people just don't care that much. The average normie plays the next cod/fifa and don't think once about the staying power of the previous titles because why would they? the new old thing is already in stores.
Getting 1 million people divided across 30 different languages is not an easy task.
>>713803117 (OP)Blame the third world contries that didn't reach their threshold, even the fr*nch did their fucking job
>>713803672>This is simply just not very well advertised. Ross didn't approach this very well.Ross admitted that is a weak area for himself, and he never intended to be the leader/figurehead, he just wanted to get the ball rolling and was more optimistic that the enthusiasm would carry without his input. If nothing else he still got 400k before his most recent video which is commendable.
>>713803117 (OP)Why do you need EU to save you? Bunch of losers, do it yourselves instead of eating tranny slop
>>713803308You should be castrated and made to service large ebony men.
>>713803546critical's video had a popular spanish gaming youtuber supporting it.
>>713803856Hey, man, Barbosa here. We still did better than the Italians and the Greek!
>>713803230it really says something about the state of europe. everyone who stayed behind are cucks.
>>713803926This poster is American.
>>713803117 (OP)They literally just passed a law that allows killing children up to the moment of birth. Preserving video games is like 100th down the line on the list of problems europe faces.
>>713803936>gay black men rape fantasy out of nowherewhat causes this?
>>713803792Also this. People are groomed into this kind of nonsense. Play warzone now and play the new warzone when it comes out, why would I want to play old warzone I played that to death, I want new warzone. Retro is a niche, and skg is expressly a retro gaming movement. Oh you wanna play The Crew 1 in 20 years....YAAAAWNNN. Do Euroes even play retro? I imagine not likely with the 50 hz PAL shit
>jannies stop deleting these threads
>discord spammers now have 3-4 threads going at all times
wow it's almost like they should be banned
>>713803308Ignorant, retarded, waste of oxygen...
>>713803926Australia's customer protection laws forced Valve to allow Steam refunds within Australia to continue operating, which in turn had Valve allow refunds refunds worldwide. The Belgium gambling investigate into loot boxes scared a portion of the industry away from that system.
>>713804028Just because they clearly have very low IQ doesn't necessarily mean they're american
I saw it the other day and cba digitally signing that shit.
Instead of regulating everything like a bunch of retards, don't buy games from companies that do it, simple as.
>>713804120which is why Steam doesn't have good sales anymore
>>713803956I am surprised Italy isn't last place to be honest
>>713803956IreGODS once again carrying these scrubs
>>713803117 (OP)>I HATE GAS SHIT>NOOO THEY'RE TAKING AWAY MY GASI want those games die tho.
>>713803117 (OP)man i actually don't care enough but will write this. It doesn't matter. atall. If fans want to play dead online games there will always be a way.
>wow private servers>fanmade total conversion mod mechwarrior living legends>nosgoth, killed by square enix in favour of fucking cars'n balls. still playable with costum launcher and you even still get these gay steam trading cards and achievementspersonal expirience examples
IT DOESN'T MATTER. there will always be private fan projects and piracy. If nobody cares about garbage mmo slop then it deserves to die like concord lmao
>>713804109I don't care about your post 6th gen slop.
>>713804081>Do Euroes even play retro?No, Euros only play FIFA and simulator titles that get released every year. It's why many retarded comments come from Europoors. They're simply too brainwashed to sign.
>>713803956Whiteness tierlist?
>>713804320Signing this petition forces developers to make those games less exploitative, which means they have to be better to make up for it, or just not get made at all cause they're not worth the effort.
>>713803956Why does Malta hate vidyas?
>>713804036UK is not europe you fucking retard
>>713803117 (OP)They wouldn't dare fighting against the policies of EA and risk losing Fifa
>>713804260I liked flash sales too but I'll pick refunds every time.
>>713803117 (OP)I did not know this existed prior to 2 days ago
>>713804619american education everyone
jsut tell us you meant european union not continent
>>713804619>doesn't know the difference between europe and european union>calls people retards
>>713803117 (OP)>oh you released a game?>well guess what? you HAVE to support it for ETERNITY!!>because a few bitchy holier than thou eurofaggots said so!!yeah...that was never going anywhere
>>713804619Im the poster you called a retard. I just want you to know that I forgive you, unconditionally.
>>713803546>leave EU>lose all European immigration and replace them with more pakis and jeets than ever before, third world immigration up 500% since brexit>also lose access to the one government body on the planet that cares about consumer rightsreally not good man, can't believe all the norf FCs stole my rights and traded them for American chlorinated chicken trade deals, oh boy I'm so glad that power has returned to Westminster so they can continue to fuck their own population with it, I genuinely trust the EU more than the British government in any of its forms with my rights and consumer protections
>>713804734you don't remember these faggots coming on here to insult us and call us racists and nazis for not immediately buying what they were selling at face value?
>>713803956imagine a europe with only the countries above 100%
actual heaven, and belgium is there too
>>713803956Finns carrying gaming on their mongolian yellow skinned backs once again
I'm surprised about how little italians care. This image may as well be a representation of the prevalence of gaming culture by country
>>713804840Keep repeating the lie, the very first thing mentioned in the petition is that IT DOES NOT ASK FOR THAT.
Fucking faggot ...
>>713803348The petition is to keep anime girls in your phone even after they shut down the server.
>>713803956I thought finland was just the funny meme bear country, are they actually doing something?
>>713803308Petition in the US and petition in the EU is not the same
>>713803956>romania>tfw nothing was learned since '89S-a terminat.
>>713803938The average andele taco vote is removed.
Only votes that matter are German, french and dutch
>>713803117 (OP)>noooOOOOoooo you have to support your GaaS-slop forever!>you can't just pull your game offline after it stops making your money!>WHAT ABOUT THE SKINS I BOUGHT?!??Honestly, modern gamers deserve the modern games industry. Retard consumers and pseudo-jew parasites, a match made in heaven.
>>713804345>there will always be a way>unless the game wasn't popular enough but then it doesn't countWow, it's not a problem because if it was a problem, it doesn't count!
>>713804597Malta and Cyprus are just tax havens for gambling and other shady companies
Basically the people who wouldn't want this petition to pass through live and have their companies there
>>713805203you can always pay somebody to fix the game if you are that desperate.
>>713805203Nothing is stopping you from making it yourself. You just don't care about the game.
>>713805203NIGGER WANTS TO BE ABLE TO PLAY CONCORD FOREVER LMAOOOO
>>713805174Nothing is said about company having to keep their servers alive forever.
Find a bridge
>Stop killing games
No. Start killing more games. More specifically, start killing people who publish them.
>>713805063Why should I care when I pirate everything anyway
>>713803117 (OP)If you buy these sorts of games in the first then you're accepting being assraped. Even if this petition passes and the law changes you're still a moron for buying them.
>>713805357Go on then. Get off your fat ass and do something.
>>713805174based retard, keep that brain surface pristine flat
>>713805367because you can't pirate a live-service game
>>713805063Avem filelist, ni se rupe.
ศi cine nu joacฤ pe calculator, e pe consolฤ, deci vezi mai sus.
>>713805278>>713805276Nintendo would like to have a word with you, sir.
>>713803117 (OP)>see this>exhale>go back to playing gamesNever been a problem for me.
>>713805278>if you didn't start reverse engineering the game on day 1 you don't deserve to play it ever
>>713805330No. You're a complete goy if you give even the slightest fuck about any of this slop.
>>713803117 (OP)Games affected by this are not worth playing in the first place
>>713805397Why would you willingly play a live service game
>>713805397yes you can, then host it on a private server
>Yet another episode of "what if I don't read what this is about and instead construct a strawman in my head based on what I think it's about then passionately argue against that pointlessly"
Love this rerun.
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md5: 8eee34841e88c9b5675695950d36e8e4
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START SHITALIAN HATEMAXXING RIGHT NOW!!!!!!!
UNTIL THEY PASS, PUT CREAM IN CARBONARA, BREAK SPAGGETTI, TELL THEM PASTA SHAPE DOESN'T MATTER, KEEP BRINGING UP HOW GREAT FRENCH WINE IS AROUND THEM, MAKE THEM SUFFER UNLESS THEY GET OFF THEIR ASSES
>>713805440Ok, explain why now
>>713803117 (OP)I had seen the headline in passing, but I wasn't aware an official EU petition existed. You got a signature out of me, OP.
>>713805029Finland is Terminally Online: the country.
>>713803956why is the Czech Republic so low? I thought they were real gamers too?
>>713805501this is pretty much just an english language proficiency map
>>713805284I see no reason why people of the future shouldn't get to see Concord first hand as a lesson in what not to do.
>>713803956>pirates and furries top the listImagine my shock
>>713805501>countries that pirate games more sign the petition less
>>713805647all they do is make porn and watch porn, not vidya
>>713805786ah I get it now, good point. concord was such a financial disaster but to further inflict monetary pain to sony they should be forced to keep this abomination alive frankenstein style. oh thats an evil sugestion of you, devilish even
>>713805367>denuvo games from 2019 still not cracked
>>713805050Then how come they both have the same result?
>>713806074I can live without Handball.
I just sent a letter to my EU Congressman informing him that this right wing movement wants to force game devs to implement private servers for all games, which are havens for alt right grooming
>>713805501If you exclude pooland this is just a map of how developed each country is
>>713806131>it's about preservation!>well what about this game>eh, i don't want to play that
>>713805989didn't they make Kingdom Come: Deliverance?
>>713806074Because they're shit and nobody cares to pirate them
>>713805174gonna blow weed smoke on a ferret and you can't stop me
>mfw people against it are too low fucking IQ to read anything on what they are against
>>713803117 (OP)retards who play live service games deserve to have their money stolen anyway
>>713804406Apparently you care enough to make replies. Disappear.
>>713806131uuuuhhhh the temptation
https://fitgirl-repacks.site/handball-17/
>>713803956Each EU country below 100% by the end of this will forever be known as subhuman traitors.
>>713806367yes i reply to a reply you fucking retard, that's how this website works.
>>713806190Who are you quoting
>>713806437It's fairly obvious, is it not?
>>713806424>muh video games are the most important thing in the world to pay attention to
>>713806293>piracy solves the problem!>as long as it's a popular game with no drm that was already playable offline
>>713803956This is just % white
>>713806510The person you're replying to doesn't give a shit about preservation so no.
Can't someone just ask PewDiePie to shill it and that's it?
>>713806516>muh video games are the most important thing in the world to pay attention tothe irony of this post is that the great fear companies have over this initiative is that if it succeeds it can have a knock-on effect and start affecting non-gaming software as well (which it should)
So yes, stop killing games is an important thing to pay attention to right now, unironically.
>>713804509The ones contributing half of the total signatures > everyone else
>>713803956Bulgarians legit don't know English and don't watch YouTube outside of bg content. Most probably haven't heard of this initiative. It's likely the same story for the other countries with low participation
>europoors unable to afford games
Not surprised desu senpai
>>713806724That's a nice delusion
>>713806325welcome to terminal contrarianism sectarian politics, enjoy your stay
>>713805440I bet you smell like ass
>>713803117 (OP)>mfw US court just judged in favor of Meta stealing writing so it can train AI on itThis shit doesn't stand a CHANCE in the US. EU is everyone's hope, but they're bureaucratic and slow as fuck.
>>713803117 (OP)Most people aren't retards like you and know not to buy live service crap if they care about it disappearing one day. Most people think it's perfectly fine for a game to end and rightfully so.
>>713803117 (OP)I believe in hope, if all goes to become a nothingburger, at least I will know that I tried
>>713803117 (OP)>Not even 1 million europeans care enough to sign thisI'll explain why that is to you, in very simple terms.
>most of those who care aren't even European>most of those who care are underage>most who can give their signature don't care about videogames>most people in Europe don't even know that site exists, let alone the petition itselfIt was doomed from the start because Ross was a lazy fuck.
>>713805501>KEEP BRINGING UP HOW GREAT FRENCH WINE IS AROUND THEMThis hasn't been true for fifty years. There is a reason French vintners refuse to do blind testing at wine contests. Without the name "France" attached to their wines they lose to American wine every damn time.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Judgment_of_Paris_(wine)
Also if I want a wine that is not made in America I am going to get an Italian Primitivo (the original Zinfandel before the Americans decided to give it their own name and pretend they invented the grape), a Portuguese Malbec (Argentinian Malbecs can beat them on the higher end of things but tend to get bogged down by cheap wine that makes up the majority of Argentinian production), or a Spanish Rioja (a blend of Tempranillo and Grenache to balance the mellow profile of the Tempranillo with the fruity and spicy Grenache).
I am probably going to crack a 2019 Pillastro Primitivo Puglia on Sunday since I plan on roasting a leg of lamb to eat over the next week.
>>713806753>Germany >Slavs>Half African country >Literally a joke african country that we let into the EU to travel there easierImagine getting mogged by spain
If people cared they wouldn't support shit games in the first place
>>713806879>defending the existence of intellectual property
>>713804916No that's actually good. Anglo Saxons are a plague to humanity and you all getting raped and replaced by Pajeets and Arabs in your own country is rightful karma hitting you in the tea bag.
>>713805378This. Vote with your dollar and stop being goyslop devouring niggercattle.
>>713803117 (OP)>like our videono
>subscribe to our channelno
>vote for political partyno
>sign our petitionno
i dont agree nor disagree with the message. just not gonna sign it thats all LOOOOOL
>>713807094This but about the Bolsheviks and the Jewish oligarchs in Russia.
>>713806753>4 of the 5 biggest countries in the EUItaly get your shit together
>>713807020This. If you willingly buy a scam don't act surprised you got scammed.
>>713803956Como nos ganen los franceses me cago en vuestros putos muertos
>>713807158>Vote with your dollar>nothing changes because 99% of consoomers will take whatever they're offered to buy
>>713806187>If you exclude polandhttps://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/donald-tusk-eu-brexit-rishi-sunak-b2537897.html
>>713803117 (OP)Sorry, I just don't want the government to regulate video games. No single aspect of life as become better by government interference. Instead I vote with my wallet and don't buy GAAS like 'The Crew'.
>>713807296I don't care what normalfags are doing.
>>713807289Now in human lil bix nood moodop African?
>>713807262>Idiot. You should've known you'd get scammed 5 years after buying the game without any indication. I am very smart.
>>713806325>reading when i can listen to a narcissist furry to tell me what to think
>>713807235i know....ugh i know!!! im sorry! im just not gonna sign it is all
HAHAHAHAHA
>>713807365>Game isn't always offline STScam flag
>Game isn't dev by white menScam flag
>Game isnt easy to pirateScam flag
>Game is over 19.99$Scam flag
>Game is a forced game play gameScam flag
>Game doesn't have good goon materialScam flag
;)
>>713807365Correct. When you see that a game requires servers to run you should immediately be able to tell that the game will become inoperable once those servers disappear. This is called "common sense" to anyone above the age of eight. Being tech illiterate is not an excuse.
>>713803993It's more that all the biggest channels are americans or anglos
Signing makes streamer worshiping sanjeeps and furries mad.
I sign.
>>713807351>vote with your dollar>it won't do anything but i don't care that it won't???
>>713807365If Ross can do it why can't you?
>>713803956This just proves nordic countries would be utopia without the rest of EU
A united Scandinavia + Finland would mog EU so hard.
>>713804948The Mongolian Burden
>>713807365>enable firewall / turn off internet >launch game>if you can play, continue as normal>otherwise, refund immediately Simple as
>>713803117 (OP)They're only asking EU member counties and those are used to being fucked in the ass
>>713807475Why do you want retards to get punished? Isn't it better if we try to make the situation better for everyone?
>>713807463the dollar sign goes before the number, Pedro
>>713803117 (OP)i genuinly dont care about this initiative
emulation exists and i only play singleplayer games
who tf cares if i cant play concord or the crew anymore? such a pointless initiative
>>713807576buy what you want to play
they will make more things like that
that's what voting with your wallet means, not that games you don't like will cease to exist if you don't buy them
>>713807703But they love regulation more than ass fucking.
>>713807716Getting burned and learning your lesson is something everyone should and will experience. If you learn nothing from it the first time that's not my problem.
>>713807716They deserve to suffer the consequences of their own action.
Another thread, another posts proving loony troony 4channies are the lowest IQ animals in the world lmao.
>>713805501Knowing how not voting is cultural for the italians, getting to 49% it's an accomplishment. They did much more we could've expect.
>just don't buy it. just let the companies keep doing it because...
>well you should just read okay?
If you think like this you are terminally cuckbrained. You have no way to refute this. I will not read your post.
>>713807940i just dont care enough
theres bigger issues to worry about
if it never affected me personaly why should i care?
cuckbrains are the ones that care despite the fact they never been affected
>>713807940The companies wouldn't do it if you didn't buy it.
>>713803117 (OP)me? i simply don't give a shit.
>>713807475>grandma buys game as christmas present for grandkid>it doesn't work because server ded but nothing on the box says so>present opened too late for refund from the shop>this is okay because she should have known that video games have secret expiration dates nowI guess you must live somewhere pretty shitty if every shop is expected to be selling faulty merchandise.
>>713807365>buy game>game says that it's always online>game makes you agree to a license that says they can and will turn off the servers at any time>"They scammed me! How could I have known!"You actually fall for Indian tech support scams, don't you.
>>713808021IT TAKES LESS THAN ONE MINUTE TO SIGN THE PETITION
IF YOU ARE WASTING YOUR TIME READING THIS POST YOU CAN SIGN THE PETITION
STOP LOOKING FOR RETARDED EXCUSES JUST TO BE CONTRARIANS
>>713808135this has literally never happened
>>713807806>>713807819Personally, I don't see what we stand to gain by having a society where people need to get taught lessons and suffer. I'd rather we have decent consumer protection in place.
>>713808194you being mad about it gives me enough reason not to sign it
cry about it
not my problem
>>713808021>>713808028>>713808119Cuckbrained posters. I didn't read your posts because they aren't worth reading. I merely sensed that you are not European.
>>713807783It's not pointless at all. There are potentially infinite games affected. Even single player games bougth in physical editions are now only licenses.
Also, you do this for the future. You may never know. You do thing for the long term.
>>713808194>When retarded frogposter is making more sense than average /v/tardWhere did it all go so wrong?
>>713803308>NUOH MY GOD WHAT IS THAT DIRECT DEMOCRACY? CAN'T HAVE THAT
>>713808203It almost definitely has, but should it be possible? There's no unreasonable step involved outside of the game being dead.
>>713803117 (OP)who gives a shit nigger, get a life
>>713808315>we love democracy!>>I want to vote for less immigration>uhhhhhhhhh yikes you're banned from government
>>713807475>game requires servers to runmany games that have been killed HAD local solo play or were solo games that had DRM
this bill prevents any such fuckery, so it affects solo games too
>>713803117 (OP)most europeans don't even speak english, is this publicized in any other language?
>>713807415It's not like jeets could sign anyways
>>713808301has never affected me personaly
i can pirate the game if its not in any store
>>713808297iam not cucked enough to care about an issue that doesnt affect me one bit
>>713808319okay name one moment where this has happened instead of something you just made up in your head
>>713808301>Even single player games bougth in physical editions are now only licenses.And have DRM that kills them if the server goes down, but also never get cracked.
>>713808319>Grandma buying their grandkid some GAASslop game, and not some shovelware slop based on a movie or cartoonRight.
>>713807094Good morning saar
>>713808309We worship furry grifters here sir.
We love corporations sir!
>>713803956>Only First World countries signed en masse and reached their thresholdCurious...
>>713808385>i want to vote for less immigrants>gets outvoted>UHMMM WHAT THE FUCK? GUYS DEMOCRACY IS BROKEN WHY DIDN'T WE GET RID OF 'DEM ILLEGALS?
>>713808315I'm not stopping you from signing. I thought you liked democracy?
>>713807681>only buy offline games>refuse to sign bill to force games to be offlineabsolute midwit
>>713808315democracy also means the freedom not to vote
if you are forced to vote then thats not democracy
>>713803117 (OP)one million is a lot of people
>>713803117 (OP)you dont understand. europe is beyond cucked
>>713804269Now check signatures per capita
Prove you AREN'T pirate software.
>>713803117 (OP)Europe doesn't have a million gamers combined without the UK, let alone terminally online ones who do nothing but watch e-celeb junk
>>713808704Prove you AREN'T MoistKEKtikal
>>713808483>has never affected meThis is the point. It's not yesterday or today, but what about in 10 years. Think for the long term.
>>713808581I'm not against the petition, genius. I'm responding to someone that pretends to be surprised when their ubislop is no longer accessible when the license server goes down.
In the meantime, there's a foolproof way to ensure you're not playing an always online game.
>>713808704I'm into hmofa
keep paying for your online games and dont complain or we'll lock you out, goy
>>713808743I can reach the top shelf but I can't take two moby huges up my ass.
>>713808746i have a 16yo steam acc and all games i ever bought on it are still aviable
i also have 100+ games on disc for multiple consoles
try again fag
>>713808746Why think of the long term when I can't even think about what if I didn't have breakfast?
I'd vote but the fact that our fruits will have to be shared with Americans who shit on our countries doesn't sit well with me, fuck them.
>>713808704Well, I can't be Thor because I'm on 4chan, right? And why would I - I mean, let's just say I for the sake of simplicity, why would I be on 4chan when I'm not a moron like that? You know, 4chan hates me and they troll me and they call me all sorts of names like 'ferret fucker' or try to say I sexted children or go on 13 hour calls with my gay furry boyfriend - all of which is not true by the way. If you think it is then you're fucking stupid, okay? You just are.
Now look, 4chan hates me, and I hate 4chan. 4chan likes StopKillingGames only because 4chan hates me. That's it. They have no reasons. You can see it in the threads were you have people going, "sirs, do not buy game if you read EULA." That's just sound logic, right? But 4chan hates me so they like StopKillingGames, and I hate StopKillingGames because it's dumb and I hate 4chan because it's dumb too. So I obviously wouldn't be on 4chan.
I mean, Thor wouldn't because I'm not Thor.
>>713808907>all games i ever bought on it are still aviableuntil one day one you wanted to play isnt, and oh no this bill could have prevented that
steam DOES remove games when publishers say they wont support it
the crew, prey, darkspore, etc were taken off steam.. this bill would prevent such fuckery - rather than just hoping to stay lucky like you anon
>its not my problem>until it is
>>713809148>the crew, prey, darkspore, etc were taken off steam..They're only taken out of the store, so technically he's right that they're "still available". It just doesn't matter because they're not playable.
>>713809148not my problem
all games you mentioned suck balls and i would never play them
>>713809092>no mention of blizzardYeah, you're not him.
>>713808746>>713808930why are we talking about breakfast again?
*CHIRP*
Why do you fags care so much? You know nothing will change, right?
>from ~400,000 to nearly 600,000 in a few days
nice
>>713804948It's not that italians don't care
it's that no one bothered to cover this thing here
>>713809454And it will fizzle out in a couple of days since it's just e-celeb drama
>>713809430>You know nothing will change, right?Then no need to get in our way, right?
>>713809430demoralization tactics stop working when you have nothing to lose
>>713809335>all the grapes you mentioned are probably sour and i would never eat them
>advertise the campaign only amongst anglosphere xitubers and other eceleb fags
>why aren't these countries that dont watch those not signing up
not sure what you retarded faggots expected
>>713804916>Stuck in a dead end job that is killing you>Quit your job>Start screaming the world is going to end because you don't have a job anymore <- this is youIt's ok man, it takes time to solve issues and move to the next step.
>>713809649because i rly wanna play a dead mmo and a 5/10 racing game atm
just accept i wont sign your stupid petition
i dont even care about the e-celeb drama its enough for me to see people seething about it
>>713809580I'm here to laugh at you
>>713809616>you have nothing to loseExcept people making fun of you and your """movement"""
>>713803117 (OP)>What, your Taco Bell shut down?>Why don't you just let me use the building and all the equipment inside for free to make my own tacos?Yes, gamers are this stupid
>>713809774cool story shlomo
i still signed it though
>>713803117 (OP)all you'll do is save wokeshit from the last decade. who cares. burn it instead.
HE IS STREAMING
https://www.youtube.com/live/beymoKhCeuU
This movement lost the second it chose the EU shitnitiative as its battle ground.
>>713809774>nooo i want to laugh at your failure please give up with plenty of time don't try harder noooIf you actually believed it would fail, you'd want people to get as hyped as possible so it fails at, say, 950k signatures.
You should support this for main fact that it scares the shit out of the AAA game industry and forces them to spend more money and think twice before making live service slop #42140.
>>713809745>because i rly wanna eat sour grapes atm
>>713809948>think twice before making live service slop #4214LMAO as if
>>713809852successful as in reaching 1 million signatures
all four that reached it actually changed the law lol
>>7138099094, soon to be 5
>>713809948No!!! BAD GOY!!!
VOTE WITH YOUR WALLET!!! THAT ALWAYS WORKS!!!
>>713803117 (OP)I told you ages ago you need america to get shit done. EU was dead in the water, the only hope they have are e-celebs creating awareness.
>>713809454It really needs another big push from some other big gaming youtuber to make it desu
>petition reaches 1 million
>some EU bureaucrat contacts Ubisoft and asks why they shut down The Crew
>is told that it's because nobody played it anymore and it would be pointless and wasteful to keep it running
>bureaucrat understands that sensible position and moves on to something actually important
imagine what you discord shills could have done with your time instead of spamming threads here
>>713809948a bigger hurdle for even making games seems like the wrong direction. you want less games, huh?
>>713809992You are coping my friend
>>713809838>He immediately lies how he dindu noffinLMAO
>>713809991Cope. You had your biggest pushes already and arent anywhere close to the 1 million threshold you need to still get told no.
>>713809776>What, your Taco Bell shut down?>Why does that mean you can rip the Cheesy Gordita Crunchโข right out of my hands?
>>713803956This is outdated
>>713806879>>mfw US court just judged in favor of Meta stealing writing so it can train AI on itGood.
>It will plateau soon.
>And if not, it will not reach 100% in 30 days anyway.
>And if it does, it doesn't matter, they will probably ignore it.
>And if they don't, it will probably not amount to anything.
>And if it does, it's probably for the worse.
>And if it isn't, I was actually manufacturing attention for it all along.
>>713803117 (OP)I'm all for stopping devs from killing games, but I vehemently oppose the notion that giving government bodies even more power and privileges is going to fix anything.
>>713810037Reality isn't like your greentexts delusions thoughbeit.
>>713809984>law makes it so you get fucked if you donโt have a end of life plan which means they need to spend more time and money for a plan in case their slop flops to be up to stand.Live service will still exist and AAA wouldnโt rush into it as braindead as they do now
>>713809995Isn't it funny how corposhills push that we should influence things by giving them more money?
>>713808907>he is still talking of the past, missing the point entirely
>>713810087Mhm...? Goy?
They own the recipe, that's their taco.
Read the contract you dumb cattle.
Stop fighting back, only us can use the government okay goy?
>>713810115Cope and seethe
>>713810087>I bought a season pass to a waterpark and it closed down because no business?Thing sometimes shutter before the end of their expiration date, get over it. Nobody was playing the fucking Crew.
>>713810183>he didnt start making his own cheesy gorditas and crunchwraps years ago when he realized the bell was skimping him on meat Ngmi
>>713810221Why would a season pass be equivalent to a physical copy of a game with a single player mode?
>>713810214Did you run out of ferrets?
>>713810221so the result of this could just be the reiteration you don't own shit.
>>713803117 (OP)Why would they? Most people think it's fine and reasonable for a game to shut down.
>>713810295You aren't allowed to make those goy, that's taco bell intellectual property.
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>All this ineffectual fussing because goyim cant play their shitty always online ubisoft game
>>713810049>Single player games: no issue>Small player count lobby based multiplayer games: a bit of effort to let players self host and many of these games already do this>Massive MMOs or Battle Royales: Only ones that have to put real effort to make it happen and even then fan hosted community servers existNo it sounds like dev cope to me.
>>713809430haha anon you're such a silly guy
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>>713810024That'd be a deciding factor but I think it's got a good shot of spreading word in niche communities like artists or fighting/rhythm games. Traction like that could leave a nice mark on that sig count.
>>713810359correct they told you upfront that you don't actually own The Crew
your whole defense is that you didn't read the contract you agreed to
>>713810373Thats why I made a queso gordita and a chomp wrap instead. Legally distinct, rabbi.
>>713810143this isn't giving government bodies more power over anything, this is making them enforce consumer protections laws that are already in place but merely haven't been logically connected to video games yet
unfair EULAs are ALREADY illegal in the EU. shutting down games in a way that renders them permanently unplayable, by all rights, is already illegal in the EU, it just hasn't been contested yet
>>713810409>devs should not be punished for bad practicesI bet next youโll tell me to vote with your wallet. Itโs worked out very well so far
>>713809454The problem is the signatures have gone down a lot(still meeting what it needs to get daily, which is now roughly 12.5k) already, from 50k to 25k a day. If it keeps losing steam like this, it won't reach a million.
>>713803117 (OP)I signed it, but only because one autistic friend perpetual activist asked me to, realistically I couldn't give a fuck, my flavour of autistic escapism are strictly single player indies like factorio, shit doesn't affect me
>>713810409Yeah, Nintendo would NEVER do that, right?
*cough* *cough*
>>713810369Its not about preventing games from shutting down, its about allowing people to p2p or host their own servers when that happens.
>>713810546Keep buying that ubislop and then telling everyone voting with your wallet doesn't work against companies who will reorganize their entire business model if sales slump.
>>713810481hrm not sure on that. it had 11 months to make that sort of traction.
as we can see by the recent upsurge of like 120k sigs, it really does need big names backing it.
and remember, if it doesn't make the 1 mil it doesn't really matter. 999 sigs and 999k sigs are the same as far as it matters.
of course, making a big splash COULD inspire some politician in the EU parliament to go after it himself but without the mandate of the 1 million, it's much less likely to resolve favorably.
>>713810673>if sales slump.Except the percent of people who will "vote with their wallet" is easily made up for by adding another microtransaction.
>>713810607Works fine on my SNES.
>benefits
Easier p2p hosting
Less GaaS games
Rabbi mad
E-cuck assmad
>Downsides
>>713810647game would still need updates for future windows versions and it would also be a huge security risk
>>713803117 (OP)People who buy live service games deserve to get fucked
>>713810740Ubisoft is literally selling half their company to China right now because their sales are so low. You have no argument.
>>713803117 (OP)https://voca.ro/1r6eVtzdzMrK
>>713810673I donโt buy it though yet so much slop gets pumped out every day. Crazy how that happens. Iโm voting and my desired out come isnโt happening
>>713803117 (OP)How many Europeans even heard about it, you dumb nigger? If there was a campaign that would inform people what it is about or big youtubers with European audience covering it, it would pass easily.
>>713810869Stop buying shit games. Its that easy but you cant do it.
>>713810839>they'll reorganize their entire business model if sales slump>sales slump>they don't reorganize>sales slump>they sell to someone else who might reorganize but won't improve things
>>713810820Source? I can launch and play quake without any of these issues and that shit's older than me.
>>713810820Yeah. They should be forced to release the source code as well. The only real way to really preserve the games, but I think this could be a good start.
>>713810937>I donโt buy it though yet>Stop buying shit gamesI think this AI is broken
>>713810943>a company killing itself is supposed to be a bad thing for me
>vote with your wallet!
>Your "wallet" 5m
>Goldbergstein wallet?
>Over 10b
Yeah bro vote with your wallet, never use the government!
>>713810943I voted with my wallet and it worked. I killed ubisoft while you sat around and whined.
>>713810981Have you ever heard French accent? Shit's worse than Indian accent.
>>713806187It's not 1999 anymore, grandpa. Poland is developed
>>713805647Because no one knows about it. All it needs is one big gaming youtuber in every country to make a video. But they don't really give a shit about old games. Most "gaming channels" plays a game when it comes out and then he's to the next game that gives him views.
>>713811007NTA, but Dragon Age: Origins is a real mess on modern systems. From what I have read, they lost the source code as well so it's not really fixable.
>>713811076Yes buy things you like and they will make more things like that. Why do you care if other people buy things you don't like?
>>713803117 (OP)This isn't being talked about in EU, so nobody even knows about it. It's a huge surprise this will get to 600k.
>>713811076mr shekelberg both gives and gets his money from the government so good luck
>>713811101>I-i killed it saaar!!!Lol, hi Thor
>>713811056>dont buy shit products >still get mad at them anyway Fuck off retard.
>Eurocucks want more power to the government .
>Then complain about immigration and how poor they are
What's new?
>>713811232There's no native euros to complain about immigration anymore. All the smart ones moved to America.
>>713811220Nice esl reading comprehension.
Let me guess, India or Israel?
>>713811025>They should be forced to release the source code as wellgood luck dude. not every company is willing to part with the secret sauce. also what happens when companies lose the actual sauce code? see Konami and Silent Hill.
>>713811325>discord shill accuses others of being a shilltale as old as time
>>713811232everyone supporting this is retarded, they are inviting a bear into their home to kill a squirrel
>>713811226Agreed that's why you should never, EVER use the government for anything.
Just give up, goy!
>>713811231Yeah I donโt know why it confuses you? The whole situation is shit and I want publisher and developers to be held to a standard. I think this AI bot is genuinely broken
>STOP KILLING GAMES
... I want these games dead though.
>>713808385Nigga what are you talking about? Right wing anti immigration parties are fucking surging
>>713810820>game would still need updates for future windows versionsWhy can't I just run it on old Windows versions?
>>713811358Yeah man, Linux lost the source code and they are broke as fuark, nobody uses that shit lol
>>713811358>good luck dude. not every company is willing to part with the secret sauce.It's a utopia, I know it's never going to happen. That's why I wrote that this is a good start.
>also what happens when companies lose the actual sauce code? see Konami and Silent Hill.Hopefully they won't lose the source because every customer would have a copy and you know some data hording autist will have a copy saved somewhere.
>>713808528Democracy means one man, one vote. And the one man has to be me.
>>713803117 (OP)People aren't signing because it's stupid nonsense. No one likes you losers or your retarded need causes.
>>713811198The good Europeans died in the world wars or fled to America. Whatโs left is the serf and paper shuffler classes
>>713811007Quake source is out in the wild so you'll ports and fan projects all over the place. no so with most games. Also if the code lacks proper documentation you still wouldnt be able to make heads or tails out of it.
>>713811421Shit games always exist. You complaining about them after not buying them is lame as fuck. Literally spending something more important than your money on them.
>>713811515You type like a woman
>>713811487By signing this you ensure they never remake another one of them
>>713811621>resorting to outright lyingSad
>>713805647I'm too fucking lazy to get up and look at my ID number.
>>713811575Yes because public backlash has never affected a company before. This AI bot is seriously fucked
>>713807000>Portuguese Malbec (Argentinian Malbecs can beat them on the higher end of things but tend to get bogged down by cheap wine that makes up the majority of Argentinian production)I didn't even know we made malbecs here, I've had Argentinian ones and they're good though.
For Portuguese wine I'd go with Touriga Nacional and Baga, but I really do like tannins. I wonder if we even export any of our good wines or if we just keep it to ourselves.
>>713811671I am not.
Sadly, your skin is brown and you are American.
>>713810820>game would still need updates for future windows versionsNo, it would only have to keep working with the systems it was sold for.
id rather have an initiative that made system exclusives illegal and piracy legal if the game is not sold on any storefront
it would be based if i could buy mario and zelda on steam or all the og ratchet and clank games
idc about some online only games
>>713811621>by signing this you ensure Lmao
>>713809852
Why are supporters of this cause so eager to lie about critics being Indians/bots?
>>713811697And this ai bot is a retard who doesnt understand how to actually kill a company. I did when I forced ubishit to sell to China. All you did why shit your pants. I changed the gaming industry. You did not.
>>713811105No, because they don't speak English.
>>713811783Because those get paid to shill for companies and defend their rights
>>713803956At least update your image anon
>>713811783Exactly, they should simply be called retarded faggots or corporate cocksuckers.
>>713810518Translation: The petition is pointless.
>>713811542>pajeets seething that not not as many pet bottles and caps are washing up in the gange these days
>>713810894There just isn't 1 million adult gamers in the EU
>>713805501>53% balkanitesWtf, do we count? Should i sign?
Will we reach 600k today?! place your bets!
>>713811930post your brown hand
>>713810894The language barrier is the main problem. Some eu fags act like they above americans but the truth is, outside of Scandinavia, the english skill in most Europeans are pretty bad and the average normie does not watch english youtubers.,
>>713811162Works on my machine https://www.protondb.com/app/17450
>>713812076you are in the EU anon
>>713812050Defending the government on something universally mocked, you have a slave mentality
>>713809852It's the best option unfortunately. Otherwise, the best we can get is CA's law stores no longer say you "buy" a game.
>have to register with your passport
Totally not glowie shit
>>713803117 (OP)It needs me to put my personal ID number, sorta like the US SSN. This thing can be used to steal my ID, I'm not doing that to sign a petition which won't go anywhere. The pirates are already salvaging what they can, the rest of the games will be lost forever, and I don't care, let the people who would spend a lot of money on perishable games learn the hard way. I lost a lot of time playing WoW at the end of TBC and all the way through Wrath, only to see it all burned down at the start of Cata. Everyone else needs to learn the hard way, too.
>>713811851>AI bot thinks only Ubisoft makes live service slopIndian code created this AI
>>713812339>>713812358Yeah, the government doesn't deserve to know your government issued ID number! That's a secret between you and... uh....
>>713812339>I cannot let my government know I play video games
>>713812358you do know they already have your personal information right? that's how you get your ID card in the first place...
>>713812213Have you read the comments? Graphical glitches and some crashes are not uncommon. The game is still playable. When I played the game on launch back in the day, I had no graphical issues like I have seen playing it on Linux. Just to be clear, I'm not agreeing with that other anon's reasoning. I would rather they had been forced to send the source alongside the game so it wouldn't be lost and we could possibly have a native Linux experience today.
>>713804269Why would you think they'd be last?
>>713808315Any petition is dicksucking "please hear our voice mr politician" shit that can just be ignored.
Direct democracy would mean the petition actually creates such a law or forces politicians to make one.
>>713809852>second it chose the EU shitnitiative as its battle ground.As opposed to what?
>>713803117 (OP)I don't care about giving companies a light slap on the hand. If this doesn't explicitly disallow live service crap from ever being made again I'm not interested.
>>713803117 (OP)we euROPEans only know how to hook our credit cards so we could buy the next Fifa or Gta/Cod we don't really care or know about anything else
>>713812358Holy shit you're retarded
Don't bother
>>713811783https://voca.ro/19qpiVMbVSk5
>>713812556Voting with our wallets. If we all just burn our money instead of buying games it'll save the industry!
>>713803956>France finally 100% despite the local jewtubers not really mentionning it
>>713803117 (OP)I don't care about cattle that buys live service games, get fucked sideways.
>just give me your source code snd assets bruh
COMMIES GET THE FUCK OUT
MAKE YOUR OWN GAMES
>>713812701>appeal to fallacy
>>713812716Yeah, those commies want to steal all the profits from the game that's not for sale anymore!
>>713812716>i love corporations!
>>713808704https://voca.ro/1aglKB2asVFk
>>713812458>>713812487They could use fingerprinting of your browser to know which other websites you visit.
>>713812786yes, I do
corporations make video games
I like video games
this entire petition is about stealing from people that create
>>713812358>petition literally has a EU government domain>page even tells you how you can tell itโs an official EU government website
>>713803117 (OP)This is never gonna pass as it would require a fuckton of exceptions for specifically video games to be added to other laws like circumventing copy protection, and third party middleware licensing
Every single other industry such as enterprise software and the music industry would see this as a major threat to them in the future as it would allow people to argue in courts that if video games are required by law to be stripped of their copy protections and online requirements, why can't movie streaming be in the same position since there's currently no law that states if you bought a movie on a service like iTunes that your access must be eternal, everlasting and offline
>>713812780What will stop some private server faggot from asking donations after getting the code? You think they will do it for free?
>>713808704https://voca.ro/12Qo76I8BQCH
>>713803117 (OP)I can't afford groceries.
>>713812834If you're paranoid to that point, your ISP is already giving them that information. And if you use a VPN, that's even worse!
>>713812898>why can't movie streaming be in the same position since there's currently no law that states if you bought a movie on a service like iTunes that your access must be eternal, everlasting and offlineWell, why can't they? Why should you be able to "buy" a movie and have it disappear the next day with no warning? You didn't buy a subscription to a rotating package of movies, you bought a specific one.
>>713812943And you still voted for trump
>>713813050As soon as we stop importing things and get rid of all the cheap labor, prices will finally drop!
>>713812859>person throws away their trash>other person pick up a plastic bottle from the garbage pile>"NOOOO YOU CAN'T DO THAT I OWN THAT THING I THREW AWAY"
>>713809838Hi, my name is Thor. I've been in the games industry since 2004. I worked for Blizzard Entertainment, Amazon Games Studios, the United States Department of Energy, and now I own my own studio called Pirate Software. I'm a game developer, a hacker, and a giant nerd. Ask me stuff!
>>713812903If we wanted to go that way, you could put a license on the code/software/whatever that prohibits this like we already do. You don't need to give it away so people can do whatever they want with it.
>>713812525To be fair a lot of the crashing seems to be from 3+ years ago, and due to alt+tabbing which can be avoided (and according to one of the comments even worked around using a wine virtual desktop).
>I would rather they had been forced to send the source alongside the game so it wouldn't be lost and we could possibly have a native Linux experience today.I would too, obviously. But to bring it back around to the thread topic, this EU initiative wouldn't have changed anything since when EA/Bioware decided to stop supporting DA:O it was left in a playable state. The onus will always be on the community to come up with some kind of emulator/wrapper if evolving technologies end up breaking shit (Windows 11, Linux dropping 32bit, etc.)
video games are just that - games
if you are terminally online off the deep end retard who thinks of "signing a petition" is something you should do, again, in relation to playing video games you need to touch grass
>>713803117 (OP)im an americmutt i cant sign
Europoors only care that they get their next installment of FUT and footie
>>713813129>Don't you care about my right to go back and sell you my garbage maybe later but probably never?
>>713812898>this would require a lot of worknot my problem.
signing it
>>713803117 (OP)>mfw i work at kyc and every EU passport I see I fill this
>>713803117 (OP)It's in fucking english, the entire appeal is in english, the only english speaking EU country is Ireland. Of course it's not getting traction, no effort has been made to translate it, fucking retard that Ross is, he just assumes it'll happen because of good intentions.
>>713813198>this EU initiative wouldn't have changed anything since when EA/Bioware decided to stop supporting DA:O it was left in a playable state.I agree. This is no silver bullet.
>>713813224>nooo let the corpos rip you off it's gooooood i love corpo cock!
>>713813273Why are you buying your past garbage you weirdo?
>>713805501If you really want to offend them, compare them negativey to californian wines.
>>713813245This, they canโt comprehend playing a game thatโs older than a year
>>713813348No, you'll buy my garbage from me later, yes I said it's worthless now but you still can't have it.
>>713813224Brainwashed doomer bot
>>713813346what corpos you autistic idiot? theres infinite backlog of good old games to play you dont have to buy slop. if you are desperate for slop just pirate it or r u too stupid to torrent? brownoid
>>713805464Because it can be arbitrarily added to anything
>>713805489Until they find out and sue you.
Fuck off you won't get free code
>>713813493>noooo those grapes are sour they don't countWhy do you keep saying that?
Watch Jason's 2 original videos and point out any falsehoods.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ioqSvLqB46Y
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x3jMKeg9S-s
He also proposes the only reasonable compromise: informing the consumers that they're buying licenses.
>>713813431good luck with your petition man. i am sure the ceo kikes gonna read it. hows the job search going?
>>713806118Except when they don't.
In US they wipe their asses with petitions, wheras in EU they are legally obliged to take the petition seriously.
Without EU, you wouldn't be able to refund your steam games.
>>713804740>>713804761It's an EU initiative, geniuses.
>>713812903nobody. communities usually chip in for server maintenance costs
>>713813591>informing the consumers that they're buying licensesWhich is all this petition is going to do if it even passes.
>>713803117 (OP)I don't get it. You can emulate any old games you want can't you?
>>713808265>not my problemAssuming you care about video games, it would literally be your problem.
>>713812540Except that in EU they don't "just ignore" initiatives like this. Stop projecting your burger ignorance.
>MUH GAMES
>MUH FREE CODE PLEASE
Commies get rekt
>>713803117 (OP)i'm a stalwart supporter of emulators, roms, reverse engineering, hacking, and homebrew
what these people are proposing is insane. i wouldn't want to try starting a new game company under the laws they want.
companies have no obligation to support a product. the law should make unsupported products public domain (note, this does not necessarily include source code). that way, companies can protect their interests and not be legally bound to past endeavors they no longer want to pursue, and consumers can take apart what they have bought and analyze it to their hearts content to understand, document, and make modifications to _their_ hardware/software.
>>713813776This isn't going to stop devs from making games for normalfags.
>>713812898>Every single other industry such as enterprise software and the music industry would see this as a major threat to them in the futureI can't think of a single piece of non-gaming software that operates in a way which this campaign is fighting against. Software is an explicit rented service, not a one-time-purchase product with always-online DRM which can nuke your software at any time. The initiative has no issues with true services (like World of Warcraft).
>why can't movie streaming be in the same position since there's currently no law that states if you bought a movie on a service like iTunes that your access must be eternal, everlasting and offlineMost streaming services are actual services. You don't buy individual products there, you pay a monthly fee.
And, honestly, yes this should be codified in a law. If you buy a movie on a service, but the service shuts down, you should be given the option to download that movie for offline consumption. And there even were some legal battles regarding this exact scenario.
>>713812903Nobody is asking for code.
>You think they will do it for free?Most community game servers are, in fact, completely free. Yes, there are some with donations and some with incentivized donations (microtransactions, basically), but they're a minority.
>>713813762>i don't get itread the faq
>>713813745So you're telling me, they DONATE money for the server costs?
>>713804072Jewish owned porn pushing black men to star in them pulling them from MLK boulevard and some white girl addicted to crack willing to be railroaded without a condom for a good hit. Tie this in with movies and TV pushing interracial marriage you create a demand for the black male. esp for women who follow the pact
>>713813705>uk is not europe>hum ackchually i meant european union
>>713813760You didn't watch the videos and you didn't read the initiative.
> This initiative calls to require publishers that sell or license videogames to consumers in the European Union (or related features and assets sold for videogames they operate) to leave said videogames in a functional (playable) state.He correctly tears apart this entirely unrealistic first sentence.
>>713813808>pay for product that includes code>???>the code was freeI know you're baiting and I apologise for falling for it.
>>713813808When I buy a game, I own the game. Thatโs how capitalism should work. Any argument otherwise is kike nonsense
>>713813591>the only reasonable compromise: informing the consumers that they're buying licensesThe only reasonable compromise is them removing the bit of the EULA that says they can remove access to your games for any or no reason, because that is against EU law, AND they should also inform consumers they're buying licenses AND they should state exactly how long that license lasts.
>>713813760Would not be so sure. For all the EU cuckery and stupidity. Eu berocrats love to spank corporate asses. It is also easy to build political points on that. For all european unions faults and stupid socialists ideas that destroying our economies.
>>713813817Everyone assumes that this is something developers would have to do after the fact when in reality this would accounted for during development. A retarded developer would not plan for it and get screwed at the end whereas a normal developer would go, "Okay, we're at the part where we're planning how our servers go, let's talk about end of life now."
>>713813817the law wouldn't require support AFTER the game is shut down, it would require you having an end of life plan BEFORE shut down.
this end of life plan can vary, even simply remeasing the server binaries would be enough
>>713804320I want those publishers to die tho,
>>713813942Try looking up what the word petition means. They are not obligated to go that far even if it passes.
>>713813945>>713813962You own a license to use a compiled binary you dunce, you don't own the source code.
>>713813704The steam refund stuff was Australia actually.
EU are the reason Apple uses USB-C though.
>>713813596Yeah if you want access to our 450 million people consumer market you're gonna have to obey laws
>>713813896if a group is really into a game theyre gonna spend on it. see how maintaining a server and just letting others have a free ride on your dime works out.
>>713814048this is not a petition, it's a citizen initiative
they are legally required to address it in parliament
>>713814048>It would be great to have X, so I will beg the authorities for Y through hand gestures and an interpretative dance instead
>>713813808Did valve give away their source code when they allowed community-run servers?
>>713814080I misremembered Australia being part of EU
If one country can change that, then imagine what a union of multiple countries would do
>>713814050Did you even read the context of the post in the thread. It's really off-topic, but the idea of having games include the source code as PART OF THE PRODUCT was discussed.
>>713814050I own a perpetual license to my game if the developer destroys it they destroyed my property and either have to fix my game or issue me a refund. Any argument otherwise is kike nonsense
>browns and poors cant afford their slop
oh no anyway
>>713813896HOW FUCKING NEW ARE YOU? Have you never played valve game before?
>>713814216>addressSo you agree with me
>>713814234>I misremembered Australia being part of EUEasy mistake to make considering they're a commonwealth country and part of Eurovision for some reason???
if a game dies it's because nobody cared about it
why would i care now
>>713812540>>713803308Yeah, this isn't a petition though, it's an INITIATIVE.
If this hits 1 million signatories it is 100% legally obligated to be presented and discussed by the EU gov.
And better yet, it presents something already in conflict with existing consumer rights laws in the EU. They will literally be obligated to fix the issue.
>>713813591>informing the consumers that they're buying licenses.This would solve nothing and is not a compromise at all.
>point out any falsehoods.I'm not watching this shit again. But he completely misrepresented what's actually being asked for and invented his own fake scenarios and fake solutions to his imaginary scenarios.
A good liar doesn't lie, he invents a false narrative then talks facts about that invented narrative. In his false narrative, maybe he didn't lie, but the whole premise behind his logic is false.
At one point he was literally looking at big letters on the screen which said "We're not asking for companies to permanently host a service" and in the next video he literally said "They're forcing companies to keep servers alive forever".
He's a complete fucking clown.
>>713814030>even simply re[l]easing the server binaries would be enoughyeah, that is INSANE. fuck that.
the problem with the law as it stands is that it is illegal to reverse engineer certain types of programming. companies should not be compelled to release source code or binaries. at the same time, they should not be able to pursue legal action against those that are reverse engineering their software/hardware after support is ended (or at all, really). that is the correct balance between private and consumer interests.
>>713814285>anime poster is retardedsame as it ever was
This product is obsolete so now get with the times or fuck off. That's how it works everywhere. Do you cry for gobment regulation when they don't sell pieces for your 20 year old skill saw?
>>713814232Yes their engine its called source for a reason
>>713814248That's stealing, there is a reason coke and kfc wouldn't include the secret recipe on their purchases
>>713814267You own your compile binary and that is never touched. They shutting down THEIR servers is perfectly legal
>>713814413>insanefalse
plenty of devs release dedicated server files, even before end of service
>>713814356Principles. Principled you stupid faggot.
It doesn't matter if only 1 out 1000 games are worth playing
>>713814525that's their business choice, and a-ok
stop buying live service garbage
>>713813876>I can't think of a single piece of non-gaming software that operates in a way which this campaign is fighting againstA metric fuckton of enterprise software, owned by the kind of companies who are willing to burn a billion dollars on lawyers and lobbyists to ensure shit like this doesn't pass
>>713814414pipe down latinx. i just bought $13 dlc for darktide thats just fucking class that should be included in a free update
why? because i am not poor and its literally lunch for one person money here
>>713814493I canโt play my game anymore so they destroyed it. They must fix this issue or give me a refund. Any argument otherwise is kike nonsense. This is the obvious thing to understand if you arenโt a kike
>>713814598Care to name a few?
>>713814571i haven't bought a game since 2013 and i still signed to damage electronic arts and actiblizz as much as i can
>>713814558i'll go one step father, and say that i think that's a wise business choice, as active communities with dev tools can keep a game alive for decades (e.g. id software's philosophy and games like DOOM)
>>713813760You already fucking knew that. Never forget that this entire thing is about THE CREW.
>>713814363they can't even enforce predatory practices like in game currencies they certainly won't do shit about forcing devs to pull the plug entirely.
>>713814356nah, a great game can get pulled out just because it was poorly managed and didn't make enough money.
>>713814664The devs have not taken away your license, which is all you bought.
Why are people so vehemently against owning the things they paid money for???
Genuinely fucking curious
>SKG MEANS DEVS HAVE TO GIVE AWAY THEIR SOURCE CODE!!! COMMIES!!
>Omg why should I care if bad games die????
>Your petition won't change anything!!!
Wow the shills are out in full force today
>>713814493>That's stealing,It would not be stealing, because you would be paying for the product including the source code. In a (somewhat) realistic version of this, the source code would obviously be under a license. You are shipped textures and models today, that doesn't mean you are allowed to rip them and reuse them however you want.
>there is a reason coke and kfc wouldn't include the secret recipe on their purchasesYes. There are many reasons why companies would not like to ship the source code. Some more valid than others. Some that have the same foundational fear that gave us always online DRM, others that are justified.
>>713814739>to stop, etc...
>>713813876>I can't think of a single piece of non-gaming software that operates in a way which this campaign is fighting againstTeamviewer just fucking did this. They cut off everyone who bought their old product. Yes bought. Not a subscription, a full perpetual license.
>>713814767have you even noticed that Jewish SKG shills always accuse others of what they are doing themselves?
>the only reasonable compromise
No. Get fucked you disgusting corporate bootlickers.
I think Ross's demands were way too lax. He went out of his way to ask for better consumer protection without inconveniencing developers and these fucking dogs still found a way to be be upset. The only appropriate response is recognising that developers are scum and having government whip them into shape with draconian regulations. They don't want to play nice so neither should consumers.
>>713814761>Shill>Shitposter>Actual retardTake your pick
>>713814761shills paid by ubisoft to poison the well
>>713814030>even simply remeasing the server binaries would be enoughYou're assuming that the server binaries are something you'd ever be able to run instead of them being some horrific cloud-optimized monstrosity that requires a 10k/month Azure Management Dashboard license just to start up, and is filled with hardcoded domains and security certificates that you'll never be able to change or crack
The servers for your favorite game aren't running on some random Core i7 Windows server in a basement at Activision headquarters, this shit's a hell of a lot more complicated than that
>>713814761nobody is against it, people either don't care and the one who cares are too jaded and know nothing is going to change because money rule the world.
>something something nihilistsyes you are going to die one day and there is nothing you can do about it
>>713814758No they made my license useless because the product itโs attached to is no longer useable. They destroyed my property and should fix this issue or refund me. Any argument otherwise is kike nonsense.
>>713814232Community servers have been run on tf2 since 2007 release, when even the first source code leak would be 7 years away.
>>713813856It's going to make it harder for them to make said games even a FRACTION as sloppy as they are now, bc doing so means having an EoS plan that takes a modicum of effort to plan. Could change game design.
>>713814657You will be thrown under the bus like the trash that people like PirateSoftware think you are.
>THEY NEED TO RELEASE SOURCE CODE
Not in the initiative, not a talking point, only said by PirateSoftware. Developers will not need to give out source code. They will need to create an end of life policy that keeps that game functional.
>THIS IS A PETITION. SLACKTIVISM!
This is a EU Citizens Initiative that, by law, once a million signatures are reached will have new law drafted in response to it. This is not a suggestion box or a beg. It is either you get nothing or you get a law.
>JUST READ THE EULA, IDIOT!
EULAs are purposefully used to hurt consumers and benefit the bottom line of a corporation. Only in the USA are they legally enforcable and this is because the American government worships Coca-Cola and Apple more than its citizens.
>MMOS WILL DIE
They will not. Game companies will create solutions that will keep them running (privately hosted servers, LAN connections, peer to peer, selling servers to another company, etc.)
>NEED DADDY GOVERNMENT TO HELP YOU? COMMIE.
Ad hominem. Corporations are unwilling to be consumer friendly because hurting consumers makes them money. Government regulation is the only way to prevent Jews from continuing this.
>JUST DON'T BUY IT!
If everyone on /v/ stopped buying games that were online or relied on servers, companies wouldn't stop doing it because normies outweigh us 10:1. Why would you want a normie deciding what is good for your games?
>JUST PLAY OLD GAMES!
Doesn't solve the problem. Eventually all new games, bad or good, will be screwed like this. Playing a game from 20 years ago doesn't solve the epidemic happening now or in the future.
>JUST LET THE INDUSTRY DIE
Normies prop it up. It will continue and not crash even with these current practices. Sorry to ruin your LARPer wet dream.
>DEVELOPERS DECIDE THIS
Developers aren't the ones deciding to shut down the game they worked for years on because it makes $100,000 a month instead of $300,000. That's what bean counters do.
All arguments against this are made by Indians.
>>713812540>t. doesn't know what he's talking about
>>713814761There are only trolls here who want to get a rile out of you
>>713803117 (OP)>video gamesyep dont care
>>713814859I'm not a commie BTW, just a plain masochist
>>713814761Understand that Jewish organizations exist for the sole purpose of paying people to push a narrative and the way the world is starts to make a whole lot of sense
>>713808528more like
>gets outvoted by illegal immigrants since ID is not required to vote
>>713814608>darktideGame will shut down in 3 years. You will not have access to the shiny character you bought. Wasted money. Retarded. Just pirate your DLC at that point.
>>713814914hey, making sure that the product i purchased works is THEIR job, not mine.
if this passes, devs will keep things simple during development to make releasing the binaries at end of life easier.
it's not retroactive so all your shitty spaghetti code is safe, it only affects future games
>>713814356>if a game dies it's because nobody cared about itfalse premise
>>713814657There's literally nothing wrong with the wording of the initiative. It's meant to be a short description of the problem that the consumers are facing.
PS literally admitted he *wants* games and services to die and he doesn't value people's loss of access to games and services. So, he's representing the corporate opposition to the movement without providing any arguments of why it is acceptable for companies to effectively pull a kill switch to destroy customer's products.
And the whole reason why companies (and him himself) are against this is because killing a product is the most efficient way of forcing customers to buy your next product (studies show that most people are playing games that are 5-10 years old, on average, which costs companies money as these players are not buying the new stuff).
He's advocating for planned obsolescence in software, which is a completely unreasonable and insane take considering software is easily preservable.
>>713803117 (OP)Pirate Software WON.
>>713814993Like, an actual bus? No comprendo.
>>713814285idiot! Filipinos dont use Filipinx just as Latinos despise the term Latinx.
>>713815000Even in your dream scenario, companies will only do the absolute minimum required. And because there is simply no feasible way to define what a minimum playable experience could be in a law, developers will do everything possible to make your future offline experience as miserable and non-existent as possible.
Enjoy running around your single empty untextured map with no enemies or other players in the offline version of Call of Duty Black Ops 6 because the law didn't define any lower limit for what "playable offline" means.
>>713815000Nice. You forgot the part where studios and devs are incentivized to stop letting you play old games so that you will consume the reskin
>>713814914You dumb nigger. You absolute braindead monkey. You idiotic human worm.
We're not talking about MMOs and competitive scene. Leave them out of this you disingenuous fuck.
Most games nowadays use P2P connectivity and not dedicated servers. The dev is only doing the handshake and matchmaking which uses virtually no CPU time and runs on cheapo rented AWS instances.
>>713814914the server could include special programming to run the game that doesn't make much sense to include in a client (say, a matchmaking program). as a business, you should not be compelled to divulge your trade secrets, and since the trade secret here was never run directly by a user or their machine, there should be no legal expectation by the user to have access to this program. however, users should be free to implement their own functionality and use it to fill the gap. nothing should stop a user from making their own server with their own matchmaking program.
>>713803117 (OP)I do but I live abroad and my ID and passport are expired. and renewing either would take too long
>>713803308you cared enough to post
>>713804916>>lose all European immigration and replace them with more pakis and jeets than ever before, third world immigration up 500% since brexityou're saying it as if the common people were the ones opening the borders
>>713805174>modern gamers deserve the modern games industryyou don't blame the victims of theft
>>713815032You canโt argue with it Pirate Software never apologized and the whole thing failed. He won and everyone will forget the whole thing over the week as game devs are saved from shitty authoritarian laws
>>713811198>>713812050White Americans are pushing the shittiest laws in existence and you are blaming someone else. Take some fucking responsibility you stupid cowards. God you keep portraying yourself as some helpless babies and maybe you need to be treated as such.
>>713815330Playable experience is literally just letting us play on community driven servers. How fucking hard is that? We have tons of old games where this works perfectly fine. It's only kiked studios like EA and Ubisoft and the likes who hate that idea.
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>>713814356Three online games I liked were killed by massive corporations because they didn't make enough profit and they kicked out the studios making them
Dawngate (EA)
Age of Empires Online (Microsoft)
Battleforge (EA)
Thankfully, all three were saved by fans and they're alive to this day because of reverse engineering or old devs providing server tools. The devs became independent and are now making their own games without corpo interference.
Cocksuckers like you would want these three games be dead, just because you don't either know they exist or you don't care about them.
If laws are not passed to protect consumers and their ownership, eventually something you like will die and you'll never have access to it ever again.
So fuck off with your non-argument. All media deserves preservation as even bad media has its place in the world. Many movies that people universally consider bad have become cult classic because of their shittiness, why don't you offer this same courtesy to video games?
>>713815361>you don't blame the victims of thefti blame people that fail to vote with their dollar
>>713815212https://voca.ro/1aglKB2asVFk
>>713814957>Any argument otherwise is kike nonsense.The whole talk of "licenses" and shit truly is complete kike nonsense.
If I buy a game I have the expectation that the company will take my money and I will be able to play the game. If at any point I can no longer play the game because of the company's actions then my expectation will not have been met and I deserve my money back.
>>713815330Go buy the next Call of Duty from your corporate overlords then. Call of Duty already has community server infrastructure on PC and Activision could make it official and easier if they wanted to.
>>713815326At least you're not a Chinx
>>713814920and because our time is so finite, why spend it being miserable? people are too stupid to enjoy life
The elephant in the room is that Europe's consumer protection policies are our only hope against global corporate greed and encroachment. Embarrassing.
>>713815502at to be straight about it, we are talking about a commodity, not a neccesity
>>713815353Is the law gonna differentiate between those?
Because if there's an article in the law that states if any game that runs on technology X or is a type Y game as exempt from any future offline requirements then you can rest assured that every single online game from then on will be part of that exception.
>>713814859Retard or a child?
>>713815330>developers will do everything possible to make your future offline experience as miserable and non-existent as possible.my copy of age of empires 2 the conquerors still works shlomo
>>713814838And they should promptly get sued for that.
>>713815502Dollar is not a voting method.
>>713815573Vehicles and computers are a commodity. Would you be saying the same if car manufacturers decided to arbitrarily kill your car remotely? Or if Apple/Microsoft decided to kill your OS remotely?
>>713804916to be fair, brexit was run on an anti immigration stance and that increase is a 'punishment' on the filthy plebs for forcing the issue
>>713814363>legally obligated to be presented and discussed by the EU gov.They don't have to do anything thoughbeit
All this noise for shit nobody plays anymore. Get used to losing oh wait you're probably already used to it LOL
>>713812458I mean the various developers working on the petition website, not the "government", which isn't actually my government, we have multiple ones in the EU.
>>713811025>They should be forced to release the source code as well.it's not really part of SKG, but developers should file a copy of the source tree including the tookits they use for safekeeping. it's a travesty that there are still games whose source code gets lost in current year
>>713815892>thoughbeitthis is not a word, makes no sense even if given a try, and is sounds gay af
>>713812520Who, the guys making the petition website? Geez, man, these guys are well connected.
>>713816005Doesn't change the fact that this shit isn't direct democracy
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_democracy
>Direct democracy or pure democracy is a form of democracy in which the electorate directly decides on policy initiatives, without elected representatives as proxies, as opposed to the representative democracy model which occurs in the majority of established democracies.
>>713815645EA is a massive umbrella corporation that consists of smaller teams making the games, you can criticize EA for their practices, but the developers are innocent in this
I've read a lot about the studios regarding the games I like
For example, Battleforge was developed by a german team "Phenomic", EA acquired the studio to make them RTS games, the games they made weren't predatory enough to squeeze millions out of players, so they shut Phenomic down, along with their games.
Phenomic still had their team so they made an indie game dev company "Envision Entertainment"
These are just your regular people who want to make games, curse EA all you want, the devs were swindled by the promise of major league development under EA, but it ended up being for naught. Well, not exactly. The games they made at least got revived by fans, are playably to this day and are better than ever under EA.
>>713815995It's not just a matter of putting everything in a zip file for safekeeping, the build environment matters a lot too
The recent releases of the C&C games source by EA highlights some of the difficulties of this where compiling some of them needs a specific patch level of an old version of Visual C++ alongside very specific versions of third party middleware like the DirectX SDK and some ancient proprietary Nvidia toolkits
So even if you have all the source files, that doesn't mean you can compile it. Even more so if you don't have proper documentation about the tools used.
>>713815126so what if it will shutdown in 3 years? ill play something else. you dont think 3 years of fun is good enough for an online game i spent $30 in total? how poor r u 4real
Daily reminder mald fagtree has a pooner GF and still hasn't finished a game and if not for lazy indian SEO code and youtube shorts gamification he'd be flipping burgers
>>713816450As someone who works with software in a business where reproducing builds that could be 10 years old is a thing. It amazes me how far behind the gaming industry is in that aspect. It boggled my mind when I learned that Blizzard used to just overwrite an old build of WoW with a new one without any source control.
>>713814897All above
4chan is full of retards and shitposters all time, especially /v/
Look at Monty Hall Problem threads
>>713814775Yes but no sane business would agree to do that, fucking licenses on code do jackshit to stop anyone from just using it, devs would simply stop selling to commies yuropoor if anything like that pass as a law
>>713809092What the hell, that's surprisingly accurate.
Genuine effort posting. Good on you anon.
>>713816351Pearls before the swine, the faggot corposhill pajeet doesn't really care for the effort you put into your replies. Just tell it to kill itself and call it brown, it'd do more to frustrate the efforts of the creature.
>>713817129I think you might be overestimating the value of the source code. If someone did major reuse, it would be detectable and you could take them to court.
>>713817468Tell that to chinese developers, see how it goes lmao
>>713803117 (OP)Millions of european gamers still play wow retail... i think i know why the gaming state today is the way it is
>>713817594So why don't we have a million Chinese games that reuse models and textures from other games flooding the market? Or do we?
>>713817468Nobody needs the fucking source code to do this why do you illiterate retards keep repeating this lie?
