Thread 713831961

THEY TOOK OUT THE TANKER ESCAPE SEQUENCE AND VERRAZANO BRIDGE BOSS FIGHT REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>713831961 (OP)
And nothing of value was lost.

the game ends at tanker

>>713832067
Yeah only half the fucking Tanker chapter was cut and replaced with a literal 20 minute ending cutscene without gameplay. Nothing of value you literal fucking retard.

>>713831961 (OP)
Pourquoi les sous-titres en français ?

>>713831961 (OP)
didn't they cut the tanker escape because it just wasn't fun according to kojima?

>rushed piece of shit
>still LUDOKINO
So this is the power of creative dad....

>>713832286
Cette capture d'écran provient d'une séquence d'événement française

>>713832227
The last screenshot literally says it wasn't intersting to play you ignorant slut. The removal was for the better.

>>713831961 (OP)
>rushed
The section was finished, they cut it because it wasn't fun. This kind of thing happens all the time in gamedev. Do you really think MGS2 needed another forced alert mode sequence?

>>713832320
Kojima is a faggot so I don't care what the fuck he says. The Tanker chapter is short enough with the escape sequence included, all you had to do was run back where you came from after Ocelot triggered the C4 in a time limit, how could that possibly not be a fun back half to the mission Metroid-style?

>>713832853
Yes and you didn't play the cut section so you have zero say

>>713832543
>AAAGGHHHHHHHHHHHHHH I NEED SOMEONE ELSE TO TELL ME WHETHER SOMETHING IS FUN OR NOT!!!

>>713832976
Why are you sperging out so hard over a game that's older than you are?

>>713831961 (OP)
Except MGS2 is good, MGS5 isn't

>>713833098
I was born in 1985 you projecting little zoomlet

>2025
>retards STILL bootymad that all of mgs2 wasn't just the tanker
You lost this argument decades ago. Get over it.

>>713833261
It's even more embarrassing to be posting like this as a 40-year-old. Fucking hell, man.

I always hear people here praising Big Shells level design but for me its just an untextured boring ass setting with wayy too much backtracking. Even MG3 had more variety and it was mostly jungle

>>713833348
I'll "get over it" when we get a beta leak. Or at least they put all the deleted sequences back into MGS2 Delta.

>>713832887
The tanker flooding was obviously inspired by The Abyss, right?

>>713833441
Don't care. Bring back the cut bosses too, Vamp being reused three times was retarded.

>>713833447
the design of bigshell lends to lots of interesting stealth elements

>>713833447
MGS1, 2, and 3 all have fantastic environments for totally different reasons. Big Shell's atmosphere is so eerie, I love it.
>>713833459
>MGS2 Delta
Why the fuck would anyone want this?

>>713833502
Yeah they took heavy inspiration from films. Titanic also came out not too long before it

I thought kojima would have cut it to add some ambiguity to whether snake went down with the tanker and implant the idea an imposter was running dead cell.

...but then you meet him again 15 minutes into the big shell.

>>713833725
>...but then you meet him again 15 minutes into the big shell.
Please tell me I wasn't the only one that was retarded enough to not know Iroquois Pilskin was Snake. I spent most the game thinking that Snake very well did die and that Pilskin was some other clone or some shit

>>713831961 (OP)
>>713832227
What I'm wondering about is when exactly the cut Harrier boss was supposed to be. After you escape the tanker or before?

I'm assuming after since the entire mission begins when you land on the ship. So Snake probably escapes the ship followed by Liquid leaving New York with RAY, then Snake lands on the Verrazzano bridge somehow and then you fight the Harrier?

>>713833459
>MUH DELETED CONTENT
Did it ever occur to you that the people making the things you like are discerning enough to know when something isn't adding to the quality of the overall project? Or are you too overcome by your desire to consoom moar?

>>713833650
>Why the fuck would anyone want this?
It's happening whether you like it or not kek. Cope.

>>713833553
ooof this also pains me would love to have a sniper duel with old guy the mentor "in that now pre flooded section in the game" i wodner what koji would throw at us with him and what could have been more...

>>713834039
Anon its not about consooming most of the stuff was also deleted due 9/11 big shell was supposed to crash into manhatan, that wouldnt be good press right ? we see that stuff now from a different perspective but back then thigns were different

Isn't the statue of Liberty on ellis island? Wtf kind of Mandela effect is this

>>713834540
mistake-u havenu beenu made-u Gomennasai consomer-san AND FUCKU TOO

>>713834540
Ellis Island is where the immigrants arrived and its a short distance from the statue so all the shots of it include them coming close to the statue. Its also managed by the same Statue of Liberty group so its understandable to mistake

>>713833982
It is confirmed after.

Tanker chapter was originally
>Snake lands on tanker from bridge
>searches for USP
>fights Olga
>searches for Metal Gear
>Ocelot appears and steals RAY
>escape from tanker and make way back to bridge
>fights marine piloted Harrier when they think he was the one who sunk tanker
>Otacon delivers Liquid's body to the scene

It was quite a bit longer. You could probably refer to it as the first third of the game pre release.

>>713833447
>I always hear people here praising Big Shells level design
Nobody but me praises Big Shell.

>>713835230
>quite a bit longer
Anon, even if this were true (running back through the tanker and a boss fight would be like 15 more minutes of gameplay at most), why would you want it? It's literally just backtracking + a boss that's still in the game at a later point. I get wanting to see cut content but acting like the game is worse off for not having this stuff is just silly.

Wasn't MGS2 originally supposed to be titled MGS III? That makes perfect sense with the original tanker chapter's amount of content, and the Plant chapter's cut segments and bosses the game was basically two games in one. The III symbolizes Manhattan's buildings as well.

https://youtu.be/iyti1MlmBiA

>>713836068
9/11

>>713831961 (OP)
Those are fake screenshots

>>713835905
If a game has less content in beta than in the final release, it is ABSOLUTELY worse off. We're not talking about content that was never made. This game has content that was fully complete and deliberately removed from the director's hubris. No wonder Konami sacked his ass when he wasted their money on assets he refused to place in their product.

>>713836252
>the director's hubris
It's so funny that you think you know more than the guy who designed the fucking game.

>>713836162
iirc the MGSIII part of development ended in march of 2000, you can look this up in document of mgs2

the game also tested for cel shaded graphics at this time

>>713836252
>If a game has less content in beta than in the final release, it is ABSOLUTELY worse off
pajeet mindset

>>713836382
>muh one guy is responsible for an entire multimillion dollar project
Get Kojima's cock out your ass

>>713831961 (OP)
I rather have played that sequence in a secondary campaign featuring Snake's POV during MGS2 which includes fully exploring Shell 2's struts. Instead, we got the Snake tales stuff

>>713836630
Snake tales was cool tho

>>713831961 (OP)
Curious how nobody in this thread is seeing the equivalency of this with MGSV's """""chapter 3"""""

https://www.tentenpro.com/muni_shinobu/mgs2/production.html
Reminder Raiden's real name was always meant to be "Raiden", until Kojima watched Titanic one summer.

>>713836567
>it's kojima's fault that this section was cut
>buh buh wait he didn't design the game
Make up your mind.

>>713837032
The Jack-Raiden connection works so well, though. Also Raiden Brannigan is a fucking retarded name.

>>713837034
Kojima was responsible only for the bad parts of the game. There's my stance.

>>713837163
Okay, so you're a delusional autist. I don't even know why I'm wasting time in this gay thread.

>>713837032
>Brannigan
Nip attempts to make western sounding names always makes me lol.

>>713837223
>*laughs in doing all the work*

>no sharks in the swimming sections
>missing half of Strut B
>no sharks boss fight in Vamp's chamber
>>713835230
That harrier fight sequence is absolutely not legit
They took the bridge and dumped snake on it, then placed the harrier and made some bullshots
I could see fighting the harrier on the platform beneath the crows nest (above the Olga fight) but I don't buy the bridge

>>713837442
Not Strut B, I mean Shell 2
Would have liked to explore it before the bombs go off

>>713837442
There were later trailers where Snake took Raiden's place, like the Fortune fight, which were Big Shell scenes deliberately made to throw us off.

That's what makes me believe the harrier was legit. The fact that it still takes place in the tanker backdrop and contains elements not include in Raiden's equivalent (like the bridge being invaded with enemies) makes me believe it was always part of Snake's campaign and was simply moved and changed to Raiden's when they cut out one of the planned bosses like Oldboy.

>>713831961 (OP)
The water escape sequence got removed because the ps2 was to weak for that shit Hideo kojima said it in a old interview.

>>713837774
Disaster Report

>>713837774
>literally running in realtime in the trailer
Yeah no. Kojima also says anything you guys want in "old interviews".

The water effects in tandem with lots of post-processing were simply allowing the PS2's bandwidth and fill rate strengths - one of its key advantages - at 48GB/s GPU bandwidth. Very doable in a PS2 game and an ability many modern consoles like the Switch can't handle.

Cut content MGS2bros get to fuck THIS?? AWOOGA

>>713837223
the fucking mgs1 translator being under crunch did more to sell the game in the west than kojima ever did
i remember playing mgs2 and wondering why it sounded so much more retarded and wacky

>>713838467
WHOSE FOOTPRINTS ARE THESE?

>A sequence where you literally just hold forward to run away from water
>I'm supposed to care that this was cut

>>713838569
DAMN

>>713838585
>t. never played it and never will
Your mother acted less disingenuous when I was fucking her 30 years ago

>removed content; bad game

You are a revisionist of the worst kind.

>>713838026
And a liar.

>>713837975
I don't know what this means.

>>713838918
PS2 GPU bandwidth 48GB/s
Switch GPU bandwidth 25.6GB/s
https://technical.city/en/video/Switch-GPU

Where is the lie you retarded little tendie? The PS2 fill rates mog the fuck out of the Switch. That's the reason why MGS2 runs at 30fps on Switch and 60fps on PS2. Cry harder for me.

>>713838641
WHAT WAS THAT NOISE?

>>713838918
If you don't even know what DR is just stick to posting in zoomer game threads. Don't come to a thread for a fucking millenial game like MGS2 and act surprised when someone mentions pure non-euclidian kino like DR.

>>713839403
AUGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHG

>>713838918
>I don't know what this means.
It means your argument is invalid

>>713833447
Yeah big shell fucking sucks. Really MGS2 sucks ass overall as soon as you finish the tanker section.

>>713833176
Mgs5 has the best gameplay of them all.

>>713840216
It has good controls but shit gameplay

Should I play Peacewalker or skip it. Ive played 1-3 and dont know where to go next or if the series just sucks after 3

>>713840515
Play 4
>how
on a PS3

>>713840515
Peace Walker is my favorite MGS game. It has a solid story and the gameplay is great too.

>>713839248
Done with your meltie, you shrieking ape?

>>713839413
So you can't tell me what Disaster Report is? You're a joke.

>>713841003
zoomzoom

>>713840515
Peace Walker is awesome.

>MGSV gets shat on while MGS2 gets away with it

the double standards are insane and yes I can already see you typing the cope post MUH OPEN WORLD MUH KIEFER MUH LINEAR GAMES MUH NO STORY, save it.

>>713842259
V was a bad game. 2 was good. Thats all there is to it

>>713840515
It's good enough to finish. Play the PS3 version because it looks better and has more quality of life features like being able to use a second analog stick.

>>713837240
Brannigan is an actual last name tho? it's Irish

>>713842726
V was great too

All MGS games are great. But most of them are rushed with the exception of 1 and 3.

>>713843950
I don't know but I only would have thought of this.

>>713833447
MGS2 needed more content, but there's quite a bit of variety in room structure and enemy placement. My biggest issue is that crawling just doesn't matter. MG2 and GB had the right idea.