Why aren't villains allowed to be evil anymore?

>>713836487 (OP)
being evil for the sake of being evil is boring

>>713836848
then you're not really evil are you huh little retard

>>713837435
the bananality of evil

There's a mcguffin of godhood out there and I can't bear the idea of someone who isn't me getting their hands on it first, so I'll kill anyone and everyone to get it.

>>713836848
>le sympathetic villain
go back

you're not getting the thread you think you are out of this

>>713836487 (OP)
"good reason" is perspective based, if it's literally the only way for you to find enjoyment or an endorphin rush, it's basically impossible to fix with behavior reinforcement.

>>713837435
being an animal isn't evil, and neither is being mentally challenged. evil people art capable to doing great things with their powers, but choose to exploit people with it instead of protect. being evil with zero motivation but with the supposed characteristics of an actual evil villain isn't just boring, it's lazy writing.

>>713838214
Some of the greatest villains of all time have no "motivation", they're just assholes or sociopaths

>>713838214
Giving them a reason only makes them the hero from their side of the story. "Oh no but they kill people" so do a majority of heroes in stories.

>>713836487 (OP)
Villains aren't even allowed to be racist anymore.

>>713836848
>>713838214
Anon, Actual People are like that. The sadistic desire to fuck other people over is a very common motivator for a lot of people.
Have you never been outside?

>>713838786
No youre just an idiot who doesn't understand anything.

>>713838813
That's why you make their side of the story alien to the protagonist. Their values are different than the hero's. The things they want to protect/destroy are axiomatically opposed to the things the hero wants to protect/destroy. This is a simple concept why do you retards never get it?

>>713836487 (OP)
I like villains with the very simplistic motivation of Money or Power, because i find it realistic.

>>713840013
Then you get the spinoff and they're just misunderstood heroes and it makes the heroes look like dicks.

>>713839868
Elaborate.

>>713839727
That's exactly it, there's a lot of sick motherfuckers out there in the world who genuinely don't give a fuck about anything other than taking advantage of others. That's the appeal of escapism, creating or experiencing a world where more people are in conflict because of their inherent beliefs and values that they really believe in, not to make a quick buck or because their king/president/overlord wants more gold/oil/territory. this is why senator armstrong is so popular despite being crazy and also already being at the top

>>713836848
Says everyone who is NPC evil
just admit it reminds you too much of yourself you stupid slave

>>713839727
wouldn't call jews "Actual People" to be quite honest with you family

>>713836848
That never stopped israel though.

>>713836487 (OP)
how would YOU write a villain that isn't shit
hard mode: don't just make it a hot woman with big evil boobs

>>713836848
FPBP

>>713837435
>>713837683
>>713839727
>>713840917
All these chud replies being so buttmad about that post that they immediatly resort to ad hominem
Sounds like anon touched a nerve among these faggots

>>713841512
ok, how about a flat bratty loli that needs correction?

>>713841806
>I was just trolling goyim trust me *gnaws infant bone*

>>713836848
Then why do you shitpost?

>>713839727
Dont even need to go outside, you can see it clear as day on some attention whore streamers.

>>713841806
do you even know what ad hominem is?
One of them isnt even insulting you, ya pussy bitchass nigga.

>>713842739
Kek, exactly this. Half of these replies are just pointing out how braindead the argument is, not even "attacking" anyone. If your take gets ratio’d in a basket case thread like this, maybe it's time to self-reflect instead of playing victim.

>>713839727
It's realistic to a degree sure, but that doesn't mean it makes for good entertainment.

>>713840747
>creating or experiencing a world where more people are in conflict because of their inherent beliefs and values that they really believe in
You can have that and still have an evil motherfucker as the villain. What a person believes in isn't always what they believe is right.

Having a reason is not the same thing as being sympathetic.

>Why aren't villains allowed to be evil anymore?
They are. Especially when you are the villain.

>>713836487 (OP)

>>713836487 (OP)
>>713836848
OP like always is a faggot.
Villains are still allowed to be evil, but what people actually want is villains with depth — not just one-dimensional “evil for evil’s sake.” Look at Spider-Man villains: they’re rarely just “evil,” they’re usually twisted, broken, or insane — like the Green Goblin, who’s more tragic and unhinged than some generic bad guy.

Same with Batman — his villains are iconic because they’re psychologically complex. Take Two-Face, a guy torn apart by trauma and obsession, not just a mustache-twirling villain. Joker is chaos incarnate, but even he’s got layers beyond just “evil.”

Look at The Sopranos — Tony Soprano’s a mob boss who commits horrible acts but you still get why he’s the way he is. The Wire doesn’t give you simple “bad guys”; it shows a system that corrupts everyone, making villains sympathetic and real. And Breaking Bad? Walter White is textbook — villainy mixed with desperation, pride, and flawed humanity.

Even old school games like Silent Hill or Resident Evil didn’t just throw out pure evil; they wrapped darkness in tragedy, madness, or survival horror.

So no, villains aren’t “not allowed” to be evil anymore — it’s just that “pure evil” is boring. We want villains who feel real, who make us think and sometimes even root for them in their brokenness.

>>713843494
Nope that's just the hallmark of jewish writing, like the spider man villains you mention, all jewish writers. Western writers recognize and revile villainy as an intrinsic properly of the innately evil, as it is in reality.

>>713843494
In other words, if you made a villain that made you want to side with them, you did something right?

>>713843729
You are an RPing brown.

>>713843909
Seethe Stanley Martin Lieber, my statement was objective truth.

>>713836848
fpbp

>>713843494
That's a lot of words to say you didn't understand OP's eight word opening.
The issue isn't that villains have reasons and depth to their atrocities, it's that they're just not fucking evil. Everyone is a dindu coerced into a terrible situation and cries about how they're actually good people beyond a shallow layer of "villainy".

>>713843494
Thoughts on BOB?

OP is right, I'm tired of modern writing trying so hard to make everything "muh morally grey". Only brainlets think that automatically adds depth to a villain or story. It all depends on how the writer executes it. You can have objectively evil villains and still have them be rich with depth and make the story interesting.

>>713838214
>being an animal isn't evil,
That's also why being a nigger isn't evil. Everyone knows a nigger is retarded and incapable of thought higher than "gibs me dat."
Unfortunately they are forced to try and adapt to a modern European world when they should be chasing down Zebras with wooden spears.

>>713843494
>“pure evil” is boring
On the contrary, pure evil is interesting because a character becoming a selfless instrument to an idea to their personal detriment is really weird. No goals, no moral justification, no enjoyment, they know what they are doing, but they can't stop because they are compelled to be evil.

>>713836487 (OP)
Reminder that Aonuma btfo years of thirsty copium on here and every other social that Ganon would be an anti villain in totk. Still the biggest villain in games, still 100% evil, no sympathetic motive, just pure greed and egomania.

>>713842739
>>713842936
>anon gets called a retard, a redditor, a shut-in and a slave in all the mentioned replies
>"DUUUUUDEEEEE, DO YOU EVEN KNOW WHAT *fart noises*
Embarrassing, at least try harder

>>713836848
Being evil because of le trauma is worse.

villains that are just evil cause they're evil is fucking based
>m-m-mmuh backstory muh plot muh deepest lore
ok fine fucking whatever have them be a childhood friend that betrayed you, the important thing is that they did it cause they're a fucking asshole

>>713844009
all villains are heroes in their minds tho, or at the very least, justified in a way

>>713836487 (OP)
so you want a villain that is evil just because its fun to be like that?
>ARGHH YOU VILE SCUM, WHY ARE YOU DOING THIS?
>because I was bored and this seemed fun

>>713846519
Heroes are cowards that conform to society's rules. Villains are truly free, and that is the reason they're feared. No need for any justification, internal or external.

>>713836487 (OP)
Because it's shit writing that ruins gullible brains. How many Anons here bought into Savior Trump saving us from the evil democrats. QAnon was HUGE here in 2017.
The fact is that you and your relationships dont have a good vs evil, neither does real life, neither should fiction. Wrestling is the only allowed exception.

>>713846793
being truly free seems like a justification tho

>>713836487 (OP)
What is being evil tho?

>>713841512
Bondrewd from Made in Abyss is a masterclass example. He mutilates and tortures children, but he's debatabley correct and a good person for doing so.
The opposite side if Joffre from game of thrones. He's just cheap outrage porn for dumb people. Every scene he'll do somthing to piss the viewer off.

>>713846519
No, not really. Some are well aware that what they're doing is despicable and that they have no just cause.

>>713847414
so why do they do it?

>>713847443
Plenty of different reasons can compel man into committing acts he knows are evil. Revenge gone overboard is easily the most common, but some are simply compelled by their nature alone. While (You) and some other idiots might not find that interesting, a man's internal struggles with his own evil nature could be just as interesting of a character.
"Haha, I'm evil because I'm a bad guy" is just as bland and uninteresting as "Wait, I'm not actually evil you just don't understand why I murder babies!" It all comes down to execution and the writer's own competence and understanding of the material they're writing.

>>713847414
>they have no just cause.
No. Most criminals are hard done by low IQ individuals. They all felt justified in some way. Maybe 1 in 1000 is both self reflective while also a criminal. If they had the ability to truly think about there actions they probably wouldnt be the kind of person who commits crimes.

>>713846225
so you don't know, thanks for clearing that up, retard

>>713847717
Sure but we're not talking about suspiciously swarthy inner city denizens that think "his shoes looked nicer than mine" is a good reason to kill someone. We're talking about plot-driving villains.

>>713847709
>I am le evil... cause I am LE BAD!!
also internal struggle sound gay and makes you sound like the other fags wanting to give sympathetic reason to villains

Why do I bother explaining shit to halfwits

>>713847802
>literally describe why ad hominem is being used
>"heh... seems you dont know then *tips fedora*

>>713848014
so instead of learning, you just choose to double down because you're a retard, thanks for clearing that up

>>713847827
Thats why I think it's a dumb trope, is those people rarely exist.
Hitler and Osama who were utilitarians with different values are the best villains. "Evil" is just so American and dumb.
Nobody wants to be around a sadist so the vast majority are insignificant or die in a ditch. Putting them into positions of power is just awful writing to me.

>>713838214
>being an animal isn't evil,
Why?
I see no reason why an animal can't be evil.

>>713848149
so instead of learning, you just choose to double down because you're a retard, thanks for clearing that up

>>713848184
what is being evil?

>>713837435
I know plenty of people whom I consider evil, yet I'm sure they have their own reasons for acting that way.

>>713848183
>Putting them into positions of power is just awful writing to me
Don't ever look outside your door.

>>713843494
>pure evil” is boring.
I don't understand this sentiment, it's so bizarre.
How can the antithesis of all that is good be boring?

>Introduce the "villain" for the "next arc"
>Appears once, "laughs" "ominously" and leaves after all his "subordinates" get killed
>Introduce a brand "new" villain who is the "real" guy behind the organization that's "doing" all the bad things "in" the "world"
>"Erm, actually he should be a wholesome chungus now"
>Suddenly this new villain did nothing wrong and his villain organization is actually totally out of control except for this very moment where he decides to be friends with everyone now
>Have to introduce ANOTHER new villain
>First villain is now in aura debt after being brutally mogged several times since his first real appearance and jobbing to a grenade
>The new third villain is evil because he wants "to" kill the second villain
>I guess
>Have to pretend the third villain didn't kill a guy by slashing his chest last year to keep up the wholesome chungus facade

>>713848309
>Perfect pic
Kek. I can buy a man who helps people and has a wife than tortures homeless people for fun. That to me is a normal man with an evil compulsion.
Actual "evil" people, his entire identity is torturing people, and he's in a position of power for it. I don't think it exists.

>>713848274
most people that are considered evil, as well as the acts that make them seem like that, are just selfish
they do things for their own gain, disregarding anything that isnt themselves
greed, power, hurting others, lying, destroying things, etc
it can all be done simply because the person is selfish enough to not care about how it affect others, and that's what is generally considered to be evil

>>713848641
Messy villains are the worst.

>>713846794
>t. soulless bugman

>>713846794
>How many Anons here bought into Savior Trump saving us from the evil democrats
but Democrats ARE evil anon.
They objectively flooded the country with illegal aliens out of spite, how is that not evil?

>>713848689
This. They are not kicking dogs for fun like in most poorly written media. Infact most are polite and kind while being absolutely ruthless.

>>713848687
They're not in positions of power BECAUSE they torture the homeless. People in positions of power are far more predisposed to antisocial personality disorder, narcissism, psychopathy, and Machiavellianism than ordinary people. It's not that they get the job because of their issues, it's that their issues give them traits that make power grabs easier.

>>713848269
What is an animal?

>Is unconditional evil in the most unapologetic way

>>713839727
They mostly have a darker tone of color as well.

>>713848892
>>713848689
So what OP and others want here is just a character that does evil things out of self-benefit? isn't that common?

People have abominable media literacy and believe portrayal = endorsement.

>>713836848
fuck that I want a villain that is evil, has some self-justified internal logic for being evil, and when confronted over it and offered redemption says "fuck you I wanna be evil" anyway

>>713836487 (OP)
Cause most writers don't have the skill to make a villain with actual motivations interesting, let alone one that is just evil for the hell of it. So elaborate backstories and motivations become the crutch to try and wring some kind of engagement out of the character.

>>713848812
>2 more weeks!
Kek, Not even a little but that won't stop you from creating some wild headcannon.
>>713848824
>out of spite
It's all just economics. Pic very much related.

>>713848979
I like Dio because he wears it completely on his sleeve the second he becomes a vampire, he just stops even doing the bare minimum of pretending and does shit like sewing heads onto cat bodies and making a mom eat her own baby for shits and giggles

>>713849130
Qrd? I didn't know that is what it was called I just noticed it as a behavior among normalfags

>>713848927
Thats where I could agree with this >>713848689

>>713836848
NOOO I need to project my insecurities with ugly orc monsters looking like black people.

>>713849136
Sounds like your average /v/ shitposter wanting to be a contrarian for the sake of stiring shit up
Is this what all of this is is about?

>>713848979
Nah, he only does evil things as a means to feel good, and to get back at the Joestars. If he had to choose between pleasure and evil, he'd choose pleasure. Dio is a very mundane character whose most interesting qualities are his theatrics and being a superhuman vampire with magic powers.

>>713849151
The one from OP is actually pretty interesting.
>Grandson of the greatest emperor the world has ever seen
>Genetically experimented on with extra souls forcibly shoved into his body
>Seen as a monster by his countrymen and despised by even his own father
>Trained in the art of combat
>But even without it, his strength was overwhelming and monstrous
>Grew up isolated, being both a prince and standing alone in his power
>Lived a boring life, wiping out armies and conquering territories at his family's command
>Eventually runs into the super special player character
>Trounces them at first, but gets bested on equal terms
>Leaves the PC be because he finally feels a flicker of something
>SUMMONS A PROGENITOR DRAGON AND CONQUERS ITS BODY AND SOUL TO BECOME IT
>Gets beaten
>Finally realizes that what he felt was satisfaction at a real challenge for the first time and views the PC as his only friend
>Fucking kills himself because there's an army that's going to do it anyway
>Finds out that the genetic experiments allow him life after death
>Takes over some shmuck's body
>Realizes he can have a new start and be a good guy
>"Nah, fuck that"
>Begins his path of destruction back home
>Storms his own palace
>Finds a shitheel in his old body and scares him out of it with presence alone
>Kills his own father because he was a danger to the PC
>Decides to set the stage for their next fight by making it the single greatest fight that has or ever will takes place
>STARTS THE END OF THE WORLD JUST TO MOTIVATE YOU TO COME KILL HIM
>DECLARES THE WORLD'S PYRE AS AN ADEQUATE BACKDROP FOR YOUR FIGHT
>Kills his entire nation in an instant for this single fight
>Gets confused at why you're not happy with him
>Eventually realizes that he has to "give" to "get" because basic human emotion is so foreign to him
>Breaks time and space to help you fight the big bad just so you'll humor him with one last fight at the literal termination point of the universe

>>713847025
Being evil is basically just being self-centered and lacking empathy, to the point you don't care about others, you only care about what you can get out of them
The complexity of its layers start to build up when the person that is like this realizes that imposing its own will over others can be rejected or cause a damaging backlash, so in order to avoid detriments to its own self, it begins to plan, manipulate, deceive, and so on
It's like a play of tag, you just have to avoid being caught, you can be very well aware of why people would chase you in the first place, but whatever, you do things because you want to, because you felt like it, or because you were curious about it, and if it makes others pursue you, then you have to be tricky to avoid being caught

>>713849987
That's a lot of words to say he's just a sword autist, which are always endearing in their shamelessness.

>>713837607
Banal is pretty evil, the bible says so.

Reminder
The game died with Endwalker. They didn't have to, given the amount of shit still left in the world. But they did. Now we're stuck on the bad timeline following a rotten carrot dangling off of kuso-p wirey neck.

>Villains who are evil for the sake of being evil are BORING
Allow me to reintroduce myself, monkeys.

>>713849987
wtf did I just read?
>do all that because he was bored to the point of numbness and wanted to feel a little thrill on his balls
in the end it sounds even more cringe than le hecking trauma ridden villain

>>713850420
Alternatively:

>>713850420
Ok, we get it, you just want a selfish asshat
But arent those still around aplenty?

>>713850485
having a god complex is probably the most basic motivator to become a villain

>>713850229
It really is that simple isn't it. I'm also thinking of liking that autistic sword fox with giant ears even if I've never played her game and part of it is just
>Sword autist
immediately has a good flavor

>>713849987
https://files.catbox.moe/jnk75k.mov
Zenos is so kino and so is that final fight

>>713850547
Seems like the trend these days is the sympathetic villain who has the right intentions but abhorrent methods

>>713849151
Fuck motivations
Look at the motivations of Cell from Dragon Ball who is a very popular villain
He just wants to enjoy fighting/testing his power and he doesn't give a shit if he nukes the universe to do it
That's what makes him fun

You don't need that crap
You just have to make a cool badass villain with a cool character design, who is intimidating and entertaining

>>713849136
That is exactly like Freeza from Dragon Ball
Even after Goku gives him a chance he tries to kill Goku by shooting him with a ki blast from behind
That pettiness and his pride is what makes him so much fun, and when Goku retaliates and kills him(not really mofo survived in outer space and Trunks finished the job after) he also serves to make Goku(the hero) look even cooler

>>713850353
thats anal youre thinking off. bible hates that shit

>>713836487 (OP)
Zenos isn't a villain, he's a rival.

>>713850420
He was a world conqueror looking to keep expanding, he's evil because he enjoys toying with his opponents though or killing the entire population because of a simple "prophecy."

>>713843729
That's cool and all but there's nothing wrong with a little bit of an explanation as to why. I'm not saying it needs to be a sympathetic reason either, just tell me why.

>>713850786
Even if they try and retcon any of that shit (short of I guess zenos coming back or something) they'll never be able to take away how great of a conclusion it was.

>Earned friendship and investment of up to 10 years to beat away nihilistic despair and disengagement with others
>The villain who joins your side not necessarily because they saw the light or any dumb shit but just because they still wanna fight you. That "Is that your enemy? Is there a -reason- you have not yet vanquished her?"
>Then just a mano a mano fight at the edge of existence
It was just peak anime in the good sense of the word. Were it single player and not multiplayer and that was the ending it would be among the best JRPG experiences.

A well written villain should always be a foil to the protagonist who serves to either force the protagonist to reform his belief system in some significant way to have them grow as a person that allows them to overcome the beliefs of the antagonist or reinforce their own preexisting beliefs in a way that also allows them to grow IE through immense struggle. Either way, the moral compass of either the protagonist or, indirectly, the reader must be interfaced with and made to be jostled about. The problem is /v/ is made of knuckle dragging troglodytes that have the moral fibre of a fruitfly that the moment it is challenged it crumbles into a pile of dust. This forces the average /v/ user to either side with the villain or throw a tantrum about the villain being "not truly evil".

>>713836487 (OP)
They are, millennial writers just sympathize with evil people too much.

>>713848927
It's both. Motivation is more powerful than anyone realises. The sick and twisted have more motivation than anyone else to rise to positions of power because they have a strong compelling reason to do so. Just look at the average coomer and the lengths they'll go to satisfy their desires even if it means destroying their own lives and the lives of those around them. Now imagine they can't simply satisfy their desires legally or easily, no, they need to be in a position of trust and influence to achieve it. Is it really any surprise that these greedy lustful people become politicians, priests, businessmen, cultists, and whatever other leadership positions they can get their hands on?

>>713836848
I used to think this but after years of dindu villains acting for "le greater good" i actually think i prefer just straight up evil villains

>>713839727
I don't need to go outside, just hanging out at 4chud allows me to coexist with the worst subhumans in the world.

>>713850420
Better yet.

>>713848609
Because there is no depth to that.

>>713836487 (OP)
because the good faction is more evil, zenos was unironically more likeable than anyone in that fucking shit expansion

>>713850485
sheev is boring villain.

>>713836848
>being evil for the sake of being evil is boring
It is but those aren't the only two options.
Being evil to commit sin is probably the best type of evil to represent imo (not a christcuck), for example committing acts of evil because of greed, pride or envy. These make for compelling and grounded villains.

>>713850485
He went out with a bang in ROTJ
I know I can just ignore them but the sequel movies really made him look like a cheap third rate villain

>>713851516
dio > frieza

>>713851596
But he fits the bill of being evil just out of selfishness and thirst for unlimited power

>>713850420
He also had the best way of completely destroying someone's will to fight back. The Anti-Spiral didn't know what it was talking about, you fight someone on their level and beat them, they're just going to come back because they'll think the problem was how they fought, whereas Freiza opts to let his opponent go all out, then show that he's still more powerful. True despair is knowing you never had a chance to begin with, it's realizing you lost before the battle even started.

>>713836487 (OP)
Because reality in itself is now just as evil as fiction. Villains are now the former heroes trying to better the world while your protagonists kills them for the status quo since it's what pays better.

>>713851779
Nah, Dio is cringe
Freeza is much cooler
Jojofags are contrarian hipsters who think they're patrician

Let's all agree something: I'm the mostest evilest anon on /v/! And I do it for FREE!

Reactionary retards have convinced themselves that anything more narratively complex than The Very Hungry Caterpillar is 'postmodernist subversion of expectations' or whatever nonsense, so whenever a villain shows an ounce of depth they scratch their monkey craniums and go 'me guess he not really villain then?!'

>>713836848
This is exactly why I found Adachi from Persona 4 a massive disappointment after finally playing it recently. I saw so many threads about him through the years and finally get to his reasons for the murders and its the fucking laziest reason.

>>713847025
Stupidity is evil. When you act in a malevolent way, with no purpose or reason or benefit, causing trouble towards yourself and everyone around you. When your actions have no benefit to anyone, even yourself, you can truly be considered evil. To a lesser degree, inefficiency is also evil, you personally may benefit to a small degree but those around you will suffer disproportionately. It is not wrong to be selfish or self-serving, but you should strive to maintain your own eco-system and provide a future for your own kin. It's when you fail to do so, and ultimately waste resources with no purpose or justification for doing so, that you become a problem, an evil, that needs to be removed.

>>713836487 (OP)
faggot zooemrs will get all oof and ick and yikers

>>713846209
Dont know why anyone would think this after Skyward Sword. Dude is literally a demon. Fucker even, lamely, has demons horns at one point.

>>713852449
You gotta keep in mind that most people saying that played P4 when they were like, 18, so it hit them much differently than it would otherwise

>>713836487 (OP)
Just become the villain you'reself.

>>713852665
Sauce me up, chef!

>>713852230
Nah, Dio>Frieza. Dio knows how to have fun. He's also considerably older than Frieza.

>>713852665
Nvm, I already found it. Thanks anyways!

>>713852710
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2739590/Mad_Island/

>>713852230
>Jojofags are contrarian hipsters who think they're patrician
Atleast were not getting fucked in the ass on cliffs

>>713836848
Very, very few people are evil for the sake of being evil, not saying their evil has to be justified but the villain themselves always has a reason other than 'being bad is fun haha' or 'I simply enjoy seeing people suffering lol' only a 12 year old would enjoy that kind of stuff

IRL you have:

>Corrupt people that want power/money.
>People that have been brainwashed
>People with no impulse control
>People that want revenge against society in some way
>Powerful people who don't use their power responsively
A lot of them don't even believe they are evil too

>>713852908
>People with no impulse control
Would you put serial killers here? Not the criminally insane, the type that are fully cognizant of what they're doing

>>713850229
Yeah, but you kinda lose sympathy points when you kickstart the end of the world just so your fight looks cooler.

>>713852878

>>713836848
>evil for the sake of evil
Isn't the opposite of
>evil for some justifiable reason
Jeffrey Dahmer didn't wake up and say "wow I can't wait to do some evil things, being evil is so fun" but he also can't provide any legitimate justification for what he did beyond "I wanted to".

Yuujiro mogs

>>713840602
He's never heard of commodus or ted bundy or elizabeth bathory

>>713836487 (OP)
Video games are the top medium where dudes are just haters for the love of the game

>>713853518
>elizabeth bathory
Talk about crazy...

>>713853518
>elizabeth bathory
you mean the chick that got demonized so her noble house becomes shit tier?

>>713852449
>his reasons for the murders and its the fucking laziest reason.

Yeah? The game even acknowledges that, and has your characters call him out on it.

>>713853940

>>713852724
>He's also considerably older than Frieza.
By like 3-4 years
Literally who gives a shit and how is this an argument?

>>713852882

Jojofags are always looking for cool points
Dio is not that great

You all are poser redditors who didn't even know the series before the davidpro anime and the reddit memes

>>713853940
That won't stop it though, after few hundred years people would forget and do it again

>>713853871
Magneto ain't retaliating against shit, he's just an asshole.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=euf5SdNTdxk

>>713853871
the garbage reddit tier list for retards that ruined the concept of actually interesting villains

>Villain just wants to have a good time

>>713853940
Cucking is human nature. Big breasts and big dicks are literally tied directly to it as part of reproductive strategy.

>>713836848
Agreed. Villains being evil for the sake of being evil is boring.
>>713839727
Only psychopaths like you believe that.

>>713854160
>joker
>"motives are a mystery"
>is the literal embodiment of societal mania and decay
>original creator is too much of an illiterate retard to get the joke
accurate list but for the wrong reasons

Motivations are irrelevant. Execution is all that matters.

>>713854323
>>is the literal embodiment of societal mania and decay
Except what has been established time and time again is that the Joker has nothing to do with society and is purely a reaction to Batman. Whenever Batman goes away, the Joker goes away too. When Batman comes back then so does the Joker.

>>713854395
Execution is irrelevant. Results are all that matters.

>>713854650
Anon, we're talking about fiction. Execution IS results

>>713854517
i'm subscribed to the deconstruction of their characters just being your usual law & order vs chaos & anarchy dynamic at the end of the day

>>713854701
>Execution IS results
I would disagree, villain can have perfect plan execution but then good guys can just get random deus ex machina that solves everything

>>713854904
...I'm talking about the STORY's execution, anon, not whatever the characters do. What I meant by 'Motivations are irrelevant. Execution is all that matters' is that the specific motivations of a villain are ultimately not as important as HOW said motivation is implemented and fleshed out in the story

>>713850420
No he was not lol. He was not evil for the sake of being evil, it was for hegemony against the Saiyan race.

>>713853871
Ganondorf wanted good land, and not be stuck in a vassal state in the desert.

>>713855085
Being LITERALLY the only dick in your society had to have its upsides.

>>713854235
this manga sucks dick if you arent a military nerd

>>713855046
Ok but you can't have execution with motivations

>>713852449
P4G and its anime fleshed him out a bit more, tries to paint him as your antithesis, someone who rejected the formation of bonds and social circles in order to wholeheartedly pursue his studies for a career in law enforcement, only to be treated as second place all the time because he still wasn't at the same level as others who didn't have to sacrifice anything to get to where they are. He becomes resentful over being sent to a tiny backwater town out in the boonies over a goof-up. He starts to develop bonds with the Dojima family, and there's this old lady who dotes on him and cooks him meals that he begrudgingly eats since he looks similar to and has the same name as her son who lives elsewhere. He doesn't even like the food, but it's obvious that he appreciates the attention. Then the MC comes in and steals that attention of the Dojima family, and the old lady's son returns and she quickly forgets about the young man she had been cooking for. He goes back to being second place, a secondhand substitute for people who are more desired than him. He's bitter over rejection, he has an inferiority complex and is lashing out in response.

>>713855379
>someone who rejected the formation of bonds and social circles in order to wholeheartedly pursue his studies for a career in law enforcement, only to be treated as second place all the time because he still wasn't at the same level as others who didn't have to sacrifice anything to get to where they are.
wow he sounds based, fuck talentfags

>>713853940
>If you cuck your enemies, they win.

>>713836487 (OP)
>evil
You mean lawful evil?

>>713848641
Anon, this is /v/. You're safe from Omega here.

>>713855080
He's part of a race of tyrants who show up to worlds and genocide all present lifeforms in order to sell them to the highest bidder. He has entire races enslaved to work for him, including the saiyans at one point until they started to become too powerful. He's not even just a businessman, we see him actively enjoy torturing the Namekians, the Earthlings and Vegeta. He's a sadistic bastard with absolutely no redeeming qualities. There's nothing sympathetic about him. He wasn't raised under a false worldview that comes crashing down in the face of reality. He wasn't an abused or betrayed figure that seeks revenge. He's not a lone survivor who goes to extreme lengths to remake the universe in his image. He's an evil little bastard that relishes in mayhem and gets off on torturing people beneath him into submission

>>713855893
oy vey that's antisemitic

>>713836487 (OP)
They can be total bastards, but still have reasons for what they do, even if it's not a justification. like DIO.

>>713856021
Fun Fact: Freeza is based off of real estate developers that buy up a bunch of homes forcing all the locals out so that they can build expensive new properties

>>713852230
>Jojofags are contrarian
Huh? What do you think this is the 90s?

>villain does horrible stuff
>villain themself isn't even certain of why they're doing evil shit
>villain otherwise acts like a good person

I hate these threads because the answer is simple.

VARIETY IS THE SPICE OF LIFE, FAGGOTS. DIFFERENT VILLAINS ACHIEVE DIFFERENT PURPOSES AND GIVE THE STORIES DIFFERENT TEXTURES.THERE IS NO CORRECT ANSWER. IF ANY TYPE OF VILLAIN GETS USED AND THE OTHER STOPS BEING USED AT ALL, THEN THAT'S OVEREXPOSURE.

This is why I have always hated this image.

>>713836487 (OP)
Yes Bart if you somehow had a good reason for doing that I would be much happier.

Villains are unironically at their best when they're just douchebags who know it and own it
https://youtu.be/WBtR3GVOhDk?feature=shared

>>713853871
Do any anons have the version of this image where it's various extinct animals with anomalocaris at the top and tiktaalik at the bottom? I'd really like to see that again.

>>713838214
>being an animal isn't evil
have you seen some of those fuckers? the natural world is a torture kingdom

>>713839727
On one hand: I agree.

On the other: If a game is trying to sell me a story, "he's just a dick lmao" is not going to earn my dollar.

>>713843729
You have to be over 18 to post on this site, kiddo.

>>713839727
Are these "actual people" in this room right now?

>>713855224
I'm not a military nerd and I enjoy it very much
It's classic action and the characters are great. Even nameless characters get cool moments