Is DMC5 the closest a game has gotten to being perfect?
>no bad combat design
>no bad enemy/boss design
>no bad level design for what the game is
>no bad non-gameplay elements

>>713853017 (OP)
I love DMCV but objectively some of the Qliphoth levels are poorly designed. Half the time I end up going backwards because the interior is so samey.

>>713853276
Never a problem for me. Sounds like a skill issue.

>>713853017 (OP)
V is boring after the 2nd playthrough or so and Nero is still less fun than Dante. I'm also pissed that LDK is stuck on console for absolutely no reason and that they never added Divergence mode.

>>713853017 (OP)
>no bad enemy/boss design

Tell me how this teleporting fuck is good design.
Also defend nidhogg, while you're at it.

>>713854163
Holy shit you're bad

>>713853017 (OP)
Enemy variety, enemy encounter, level design, platforming, puzzles... All sucks dick. As for the good stuff are the combat itself and the music. The characters are pretty cool too.

Ninja Gaiden games don't have the deepest combat but the encounters are much more engaging and overall better action games.

>>713853017 (OP)
Was DMC5 the first DMC game you played, by chance?

>>713856698
It's the only one I finished but I don't see why that matters

It hurts my hands to play for long periods of time
And outside of devil trigger I don't care for the other character music

>>713854163
you are bad
and DMC5 is the only game in the series with consistently decent bosses. Nidhogg and Girugamesh would be considered highlights if they appeared in 3 or 4

>>713853017 (OP)
It only has 2 flaws. The first is the shitty style calculation in certain levels. The second is no Trish/Lady mode

>>713853017 (OP)
Umm.... Yeah. I'm sorry. I can see you clearly like the game, like, a lot. So much so you think it's perfect. It's not, though. It's not even that good a story. I'll say this, I don't think the greatest video games of all time are perfect. The greatest games ever made all have mechanical, graphical or design flaws, but they are memorable. They are great because and in spite of their shortcomings. DMC5 is not one of those games, though.
First and most blatant is that lock on. DMC4 and 5 have shit lock on. Nero is a not a good substitute for Dante. He's a good character, even a good lead, but not a good replacement for Dante. Speaking of, Dante has become a dirty hobo. Well, they turned him into one in 5 and I hate what they've done to him. The story sucks. Yeah, I said it. This game's story is at best a greatest hits of the series and at worst pandering. Also, I'm sick of the style system. I'd like something new now. The rest of the issues are all the little things that are just too many to point out. Yeah, it's pretty, it plays well, it sells well and so on, but it's also meh. Not bad but not memorable. Perfect is definitely not the word I'd pick. I know people love it but I'm not going to pretend to just to not hurt their feelings. It's been 6 years. They can deal.

>>713857343
Nidhogg in either of those would be mid at best. Also im not bad, i dont have trouble with fury, he just involves a whole lotta waiting, which is not what i want from dmc.

I just dislike the lack of dark knight mode

>>713853449
Nah he's right, unc. I was one of the first people to plat the game and missions 10, 13-16 were an absolute mess to navigate sometimes.

>>713853017 (OP)
>Is DMC5 the closest a game has gotten to being perfect?

>>713853017 (OP)
>>no bad enemy/boss design
>>no bad level design for what the game is

so DMC6 is never happening right

>>713853017 (OP)
MGS1

>>713853017 (OP)
>no level design
>no enemy design
>no puzzle
>V
>lock-on is so fucked, it doesn't even want to locked on to the nearest sandbag

>>713853017 (OP)
>no bad level design for what the game is
There is no level design in V. I’m not complaining cause I’d rather not waste time punching dreidels or doing shitty platforming sections but it’s clear they just didn’t try in an attempt to avoid any aggravation

>>713853017 (OP)
V sucks but other than that it's great.

>>713853276
Bro they literally have a shining line to guide you, you're blind.

>>713853017 (OP)
>SDT + Devil Arm Dante is so OP nobody uses Real Impact anymore
>Separating Balrog into gauntlets and boots because...?
>easy Ex-Act/Max-Act for casuals unlike DMC4
>can't swap Devil Breaker without mods
>Vergil still uses Beowulf and Sparda even after two games

>>713862997
>gave Adi Saarkar the greenlight to release DMC Shitflix
>Dragon's Dogma getting 0 attention
>Itsuno retired
kek no one at capcom cares about DMC or any of Itsuno's games. remember the capcom leak that mentioned Power Stone 3? some executive guy is mad at itsuno.

>>713863680
>Itsuno retired
The white guy he trained to replace him also left Capcom

>>713863150
Level design and puzzle design area negative in previous games. I just want combat arenas.

>>713863506
That's a good thing.
It let's it have more moves without being too OP.
It's the same frames, you just half-Acts now.
That's a good thing.
Mirage Edge is new. :)

>>713863882
>Mirage Edge is new. :)
No. Dude, no. Don't do that. Don't lie just win an argument. Mirage Edge is the Forced Edge with a visual mod. You know that, I know that, we all know that. Making an argument based on semantics is weak sauce. The truth is that Vergil has had the same arcenal since 3 and he deserves better, THEY need to do better. Just adding moves to the same weapons is BS. That's DLC content, not new game. He also needs a full story not just a cutscene at the start and at the end. Say what you will about DmC but at least they gave Vergil his own stages.

>>713865136
I'm obviously being facetious but ME has gone through more changes people give it credit for.

In DMC3 it was basically just there so Vergil could have Stinger, High Time and Helm Breaker. DMC4 gave Vergil the Concentration mechanic, which gave it multi-hit attacks, as well as Drive and Round Trip.

And then DMC5 made it so it would increase Concentration and style way more than his other DAs, but most importantly gave stun to all of its attacks. Oh, and Deep Stinger. For a weapon made out of reused animations and model turned transparent, it's managed to carve out its own little identity remarkably well. It's a pretty cool tool that lets you do a bunch of unique stuff. It's also cool to think Vergil has gotten so good at using Summoned Swords that he can just straight up brandish one as a regular sword. I'd say it's a welcome addition to his power list.

>>713853017 (OP)
V is garbage and he's 20% of the game, so at minimum 20% of the game is garbage. Not exactly perfect.

>>713853017 (OP)
DMC5 is one of the worst games ever made

>>713853017 (OP)
Also kill yourself OP

>>713867102
>>713867196
both me btw

>>713856505
>platforming, puzzles.
Nobody actually wants these in DMC, right?

I ordered some Nero seethe today where is it

>>713853017 (OP)
It's boring

>>713853017 (OP)
A lot of DMC5's enemies look really boring or shit from the actual distance you play at and feel like they were designed for some garbage Gears of War tier camera instead. You're supposed to focus on how things are in play, not in a fucking encyclopedia mode

G h t

>DMCshit
>Being anything beyond baby's first action game and the absolute bottom of the barrel for the genre
https://youtube.com/watch?v=4VTBMznLrWs

>>713870410
What are some mature adult action games for Chads such as ourselves?

>>713853017 (OP)
>>no bad combat design
v

>>713870515
Dark Souls

>>713853017 (OP)
yes

>>713853017 (OP)
The level design is pretty ass desu compared to DMC1 and 3, completely lost the gothic aesthetic.

>>713853017 (OP)
lol. DMC3 is better in it's own series.

>>713853017 (OP)
I want DMC1 to be reimagined as a first-person game. Imagine walking through the halls of Mallet Castle, cutting and shooting down puppet zombies like it's Trepang2.

>>713854163
I hated this guy because he was clearly designed for Dante and fighting them as anyone else fucking sucks. someone itt is gonna cope by replying with "git gud" but the truth is without RG you just have to sit there with your dick in your hand until he decides to make himself vulnerable, like a shitty dark souls boss. he's just invincible way too often for too long.

>>713872283
Or you can stop being a bitch and just use weapon clash. Nero's shuffle and Vergil's stinger trivializes him.

>>713853017 (OP)
V

>>713872375
>hey congrats it's been 35 seconds and you finally waited long enough to hit that shuffle or stinger like that one retard said on the Laotian towel folding forum, go ahead and get your 3 or 4 hits in before I go invisible again for 2 more minutes
eat shit anon he should either have less health or you should be able to punish him harder, I don't think Nero can even grab him out of his attacks and the fact that pjcs don't hit him when he's fucking around is also stupid

>>713853017 (OP)
>no bad level design for what the game is
I like how the secret missions and fragments were handled, but otherwise the level design offers nothing. It's not bad, but it's not a major asset.

Also V sucks.

Can someone explain to me in lame man's terms how multiplayer works in this game? My friend wanted to get DMC5 to play the campaign with me. Does it actually allow you to play the entire campaign in co-op?