Thread 713864171

what's the worst pokemon generation?

>>713864171 (OP)
7

>>713864171 (OP)
You could genuinely ask 100 different people and get an even number of answers for every gen being the worst.
>1 is the worst cause broken mechanics
>2 is the worst cause kanto was cut down
>3 is the worst cause no day/night cycle
>4 is the worst cause combat is slow as shit
>5 is the worst cause the pokedex is ugly
>6 is the worst cause it's too easy
>7 is the worst cahse too many cutscenes
>8 is the worst cause it looks like shit
>9 is the worst cause it runs like shit
Ok that's the thread everybody pack it up and go home for the night.

>>713864171 (OP)
Gen 2 is the worst by nearly every objective metric, but we'll go with 8 because dexit.

>>713864171 (OP)
dppt

>>713864536
>dexit
thats really the end of the argument.

>>713864536
gen 3 is gen 8 before gen 8
>hideous tilesets
>proto dexcut
>swath of features removed
the only good thing about gen 3 is emerald's postgame.

>Objectively Bad
2, 7, 8
>Mostly Bad
4, 5, 6, 9
>Almost Good
1, 3

There are no actually good generations of Pokemon

>>713864171 (OP)
3rd
It's when they went with the whole 'less content but slower animations overall to pad out the time'

>>713864536
8 had some fun boss battles. 2 needs nonsensical statements like "it feels like a comfy adventure" to justify its existence when anyone could say the same thing about any other gen.

>>713864243
fpbp.
>dude MALASADAS lmao

>>713864819
>3rd
>slower animations
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SE-BfsFgZVM

>>713864819
I'm not even the biggest Gen 3 fan but this is probably the most bullshit complaint I've ever heard for them.
RSE are literally the fastest games in the series.

>>713864713
3fags will seethe about this but it's true

>>713864713
>better than gsc
>all mons still programmed into the game
>crying about day/night cycle again
0/3, gen 3 wins again

so how do you guys usually play these games? min-maxxer? speedrunner? comfy pokedex collecting?

>>713864171 (OP)
6-9

>>713864832
2 literally has the best battle in the series.
It could be the biggest pile of broken, unplayable dogshit on the planet before this point, but it'd still justify its existence for this alone.

i will kill all genwarmongers

>>713864713
what features did they remove again?

>>713865105
>bro just spam x items on pikachu with graveler
wow............. so peak...........................................

>bro here's a glitch
>bro the game isn't slow

they literally halved the speed of walking animations, half the fucking speed of fucking most actions and fucking half the text speed
plus those neato HM animations each time because we know you love to see them!

3.
2 is the best btw.
>b-but my gym teams and underleve-
Who cares.

>>713865168
Name a single battle in the entire series this wouldn't work on.
The answer is none, so Red is still the best by default.

>>713865168
>Using x-items
>A game is bad because I can choose to minmax it to death
Spoken like a true zoomer thinking the pokemon games are some sort of minmaxing speedrunner shit.

>>713864171 (OP)
6th closely followed by 8th then 7th then 9th. The order of 7th and 9th are optional but 6 and 8 are in a league of shittiness all their own.

>>713864171 (OP)
>Objectively Elder Tier
1, 2, 3, 4 (regions set in Japan)
>Objectively Shit Tier
5, 6, 7, 8, 9 (regions outside Japan)

>>713865249
geeta's espathra

>>713865049
>comfy pokedex collecting
This isn't a thing without romhacks

Gen two has
>the worst pokemon distribution
>the most boring plot
>the most boring region before kalos
>shitty item distribution (enjoy getting all of your stones and TMs in the postgame)
>the worst starters
>shitmon after shitmon

>>713865308
>X items bad
Pokemon is the only game where the fans demonize you for using resources the game gives you. I think it stems from most millennials still not understanding how set up moves work after almost 30 years.

Everything past 5 is all an amalgamation of condensed shit so before that hmmm. If we keep it in the golden age it's likely pre-Plat 4.

>>713865413
>before kalos
Johto is the smallest and most boring region. Why do you think 90% of its fanart is HGSS Ecruteak and Bellchime Trail?

>>713865105
It's honestly a shame no game after this gave us an update on the previous protags.
I don't even think they needed to be legendary gods of hyperdeath super bosses every time, but it'd have been cool if in DPPt you saw that Brendan became like a triathlon athlete or something.

>>713864171 (OP)
On release it was 100% Gen 4. Pearl and Diamond are just fucking awful. They play like molasses on cart, have the worst companions/rivals(even Hop is preferable to those fucks), the Dex sucks and the legendaries are lame as shit.

Like, yea, SS/HG and Platinum fix some of the performance issues, but on release Gen 4 was trash.

Gen 7 and 9 are also pretty bad.

>>713865413
Forgot how fucked up the level curve is and how low level the wildlife Pokemon are.

>>713864171 (OP)
5

>>713865590
Black and White 2 were going to have a battle with the previous MCs in the PWT but it was cut. Only a bit of dialogue was left in the files.

Uh-oh yawnie's bot detected somebody saying something nice about 5 here we go

>>713865596
>have the worst companions/rivals(even Hop is preferable to those fucks
I'd take barry over wally and whatever the Kalos douches do

>>713865683
>crystal
where do i catch mareep?

>>713865448
Fights in rpgs are like puzzles, where you try to use pieces (your characters) to you to solve them. Consumables are the game version of "turn to page 33 for the answer" for people that give up.

>>713865572
Actually I'm pretty sure 90% of Johto fanart is Mt. Silver for reasons that have already been pointed out ITT

>>713865683
How do I get the Celebi event on my physical Crystal cartridge?

>>713865785
Yeah I'm sure that's what FF and DQ fags are thinking too (not). How about you stop needlessly grinding like a retard?

>>713865683
I like how the those are objective flaws with the game, then on the right you have nondescript images of standing in a Pokemon center and battle tower, like you can do that in any pokemon game.

>>713864171 (OP)
I mean, it is obviously 1. Yes, we all credit it for creating the series but it is straight up broken. A ton of moves do not work how they're supposed to. There are so many gamebreaking bugs you can just easily and accidentally walk into. The type match ups are terrible. Balance is atrocious.
If you don't use the crutch that it was the first, it is clearly worse than the rest of them.

>>713864491
That makes 1 fun
2 in its entirety dwarfs 1
3 has more issues than that, it's basically an unfinished game shorter than what came before it
4 isn't even a problem with the game design, it's a JRPG, not DMC
5 is such a basic bitch complaint and entirely subjective, it's like comparing a striped shirt to a solid color shirt
6 is more of an issue with overall balance due to the restructuring of the Exp. Share, basic opponent teams, sheer number of Pokémon available, ability to immediately min-max your Pokémon with Super Training, and introduction of Affection
7's problem is that it treats the player like they're a braindead retard and holds their hand the entire time
8's problem is that it's a bare shell of a game
9's problem is that it looks and runs like shit both in terms of technology and in terms of actual designs, it doesn't feel like Pokémon but it probably has the most amount of cool content and freedom

>>713865848
Uh yes that is indeed what people who play Dragon Quest are thinking.
Bosses have strategies and you need to figure out how to play around those strategies to win.

>>713865932
Gen 1 is a fun, unique mess. You can't say the weird strategies like guaranteed crits and X Accuracy OHKO moves aren't fun. Gen 2 is just slow and meaningless.

>>713865876
that's what gen 2 was though fleshing out the world of Pokémon and discovering shit. coming back to people who called you to give you items and battle and see how they were doing. there are vestigial remnants of these things in later releases but like after gen 4 they phone all this shit in to appeal to comp fags with online

>>713866086
yeah here's my strategy on red
>send out graveler
>6 x attacks
>6 x speeds
>full restore
>earthquake x5 rock slide x1

>>713864491
if you asked 100 people very few would say 3-6
>7 is when the games became cutscene simulators
>8 had dexit
>9 had all the memes around it
People might say gen 1 because it has so many bugs (its unplayable because the cry in professor oaks monologue is from nidoran female not nidoran male its over) and zoomers might say gen 2 because they are lashing out after realising they never got to experience the peak of pokemon

Anything past 5th generation.
We can hate on one because we know how broken it is now which is fine but the games progressively got more polish and better

>>713865117
You couldn't get a Ditto until FRLG, so you couldn't breed genderless Pokémon like Solrock/Lunatone (rare version-exclusives), the Beldum line (post-game only), or your starter 87.5% of the time, severely gimping trading. Not only that, but Colosseum's Shadow Pokémon are mostly Johto lines unavailable in RS. Their genders are randomized, and many of them are already evolved, meaning you need to breed them to get their lower stages, which isn't possible without Ditto if you happen to catch a male Shadow Pokémon.

I know people say "jUsT pLaY eMeRaLd!", but that's ignoring that for over a year, Ruby and Sapphire were all you had, especially since they removed all backwards compatibility. They were also smaller than Gen II, you can catch 199 Pokémon on a single copy of Gold or Silver without any trading, events, or glitches. The Hoenn Pokédex is 200 before mythicals, and that requires trading. Keep in mind that Crystal also introduced stuff like sprite animations, and online trading/battling in Japan. Time-based mechanics were front and center in Gen II but more of an afterthought in Gen III. The only Pokémon that evolves based on time of day (Eevee) isn't even available in Hoenn (the only region it can evolve to those forms) without trading.

>>713866001
>unfinished
>shorter than what came before it
i will remind them

>>713866230
I mean sure if you don't want to engage with the game in any way you can do that, you can do that for literally any battle in any Pokemon game in fact.
If you're using it as a metric for the quality of the gameplay then there's literally no point in comparing any of these games to each other now because the only differences between them is what the overworld tiles look like as you move between battles where you spam X items to OHKO everything.

>>713864171 (OP)
You don’t know shit fuck you

>>713864171 (OP)
Everything after 5, cause that's when the stupid gimmicks started
>mega evolution
>z crystals
>dynamax
>tera
All stupid

>>713866496
x items is engaging with the game
grinding, which is meant to punish you for not strategizing, is the most braindead way of engaging with any rpg

>>713866801
Ok well I'm glad we can agree Red is the best fight in the series then, happy you had fun with it.

>>713866845
>no argument
wrong, geeta is harder than red
>>713865348

>>713864171 (OP)
gen 5
it's the only gen that's completely pointless to play

>>713866903
>completely pointless to play
Pretty sure that's gen 2 when you couldn't transfer mons to gen 3.

>>713866489
If only map design didn't fall off a cliff and get phoned in for the last third of the game

>>713866878
What argument is there to be made?
If X item cheese works on every single battle and it's a valid way to play the game then Red is the best regardless.
It's not like you said otherwise, you just told us how you decided to fight him, a totally valid way to play.

>>713866936
gen 2 isn't boring as piss like gen 5

>>713866903
Gen 5 is the best. Its the game they made after establishing all the basic mechanics and fixing all the poorly designed parts in gens 1-5, but before they started adding stupid gimmicks

>>713867012
Look up what Espathra's ability is, fucking retard. You were annoying as shit even in the last thread.

>>713867090
I meant 1-4

>>713867017
>>713864903

>>713866903
If all you have is vanilla bw, i agree it's practically a transfer tool to pokemon bank. even vanilla rs and dp have funny glitches, secret bases, ribbons, and better versions of musicals.

>>713864171 (OP)
7 and 9 for the reasons >>713864491 stated, thanks for simplifying my life

>>713864171 (OP)
Can anyone here recommend Scarlet and Violet? The switch 2 version. I skipped all the switch 1 era Pokémon titles except the Diamond and Pearl remakes which I thought were shit. Last mainline title I played was X and Y and I thought it was pretty meh. Is there any challenging single player content to speak of in scarlet and violet?

>>713864171 (OP)
>why is this piece of dogshit worse than the other pieces of dogshit
I don't care, faggot. Take it to your faggot containment board.

>>713867097
>go on /v/
>genwar thread
>the gen 2 schizo is here too
There's one ultra annoying Johto faggot on /vp/ who defends everything about it to death. Probably the same guy here

>>713867097
>kill Espathra
>do it on the next mon
Wow... really had to rack my brain for this one, jeez Geeta sure is tough.
It's not like she's literally a pushover even without X items but y'know.
Also I'm sorry that your braindead arguments don't hold under scrutiny babe.

>>713867356
>Is there any challenging single player content to speak of in scarlet and violet?
The entire second DLC is VGC tier double battles, but there's no replayable battle facilities like you'd find in gen 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7

>>713864243
This, never finushed base sun or moon. It was just so BORING. Do ultra games fix it?

>>713867393
>try setting up and almost lose once to geeta because you don't know about opportunist
>solo red because it's a fucking pikachu lmfao
yep, geeta's harder

>>713867384
i will not respond again. he keeps running his mouth saying wrong shit. what a fucking pest

>>713867384
I've literally never been on /vp/ so pretty funny that you guys literally fall apart when met with the intelligence level of the average /v/ poster.

>>713867434
Interesting. Would you recommend I give it a try? $60 for the base game + DLC is kind of steep, but if its addicting and fun I’ll get it

>>713867574
Geeta counters setting up with X items while Red doesn't.
That said, Geeta will simply blow over with regular attacks while Red does not.
It's almost like they're both built to counter different, equally valid strategies so you can't really quantify their difficulty when put up against each other like that.

>>713864171 (OP)
Gen 2 is the best when factoring in stadium 2 and my childhood

>>713867847
Stadium 2 is how I learned about gen 2's shitty hax items

>>713864171 (OP)
The innate human desire to go against the grain no matter how retarded it may be will never cease to amaze me.

>>713864171 (OP)
Gen 2s region is the least interesting by far so that one
It had to bring Kanto back to supplement itself

>>713868132
and they're still smaller than hoenn and every region after it

>>713867097
>>713867384
i guess he didn't have enough after screeching in the kyogre thread. man i forgot just how bad /vp/'s schizos were.

>>713867719
Even if they were the same level of difficulty, this just sounds like you're treating grinding and clicking the super effective move as an equally valid strategy as using items with I'm assuming minimal grinding. Do you really think the former takes as much strategy and brainpower? There's a reason why the original Pokemon Kaizo hack (by the Kaizo Mario World creator) removed wild Pokemon.

>>713864171 (OP)
SwSh are the absolute bottom of the barrel. ScVi are bad, but not as insultingly so.

I'll agree that Gen 2 is better with romhacks that "fix" post-game Kanto into being like Gen 1 and Heart Gold, but people who complain about gym leaders not exclusively having Johto Pokémon missed the point

>>713868503
You don't need to grind for Geeta though?
Are you trying to say that the X item strategy for Red is actually more valid than not using items for Geeta...? Damn, I guess Geeta really is worse...

>>713864171 (OP)
Personally I could never really get over how butt ugly Sinnoh is.
Just totally ruined my enjoyment of the games.

>Jeeta
Man I'm glad I have self-respect and dropped Pokemon in Gen 6.

>>713868609
what point? there's no reason why morty couldn't have had a misdreavus lol

>>713864713
Playing Gen 3 again on original hardware (gb payer on gamecube specifically) really made me appreciate just how shit Gen 3 actually was. It's about as slow as Gen 4 and there really is too much water. Way too much fucking water. You just overlook it more when you're playing 8000% speed on an emulator and can just ignore the 50 tentacruels and slow hp drain since it takes 5 seconds to do everything

>>713868627
Grinding is a weird term in the Pokemon community. Do you think battling optional trainers is grinding? The exp from catching Pokemon? Exp candies? There's no definition of it so "no grinding" has no meaning.

>>713868820
Mate you are literally the one who brought up grinding so I don't know what you want me to do with this post.

>>713867090
>and fixing all the poorly designed parts
I don’t see how making the game balance drastically worse with hidden abilities and gems (read: literally just z-moves but more broken) is “fixing the poorly designed parts”

>>713864171 (OP)
Either the last one you played or the one it

>>713868867
You're not only using regular attacks on Red or any final boss without doing more than minimum battles. Even in the easy games like HGSS, there will be some other strategy that must be employed, such as using items or setting up.

>>713864171 (OP)
9 and it's not even close.

i used to shit on 3 alot but everything after 5 is pure dogshit. its like pokemon keeps getting worse, honestly

Not being able to catch Mareep in Crystal is by far the only flaw in that game as far as I'm concerned.

>>713868751
The game originally was supposed to be set in a "complete" fictional Japan as per GF's original vision, and "region" is not a stand-in for "country." Why should Johto have a completely different ecosystem, especially at this point? There could have been a more even distribution, and making a lot of them post-game is dumb, but the idea was solid.

>>713869184
I mean considering Mareep is literally half of most GS teams...

For me it's Omega Ruby. I cannot fucking stand that game and it's when I could feel my enjoyment of pokemon actively wither.

>>713864171 (OP)
silver was unfiltered kino when you were 10 years old and the dupe trick that broke the game harder than misingno from red/blue wasnt known to you yet.

those were the days

>>713869036
Oh ok I see your angle.
Then no optional trainers are not grinding, there needs to be an implicit understanding that you're not seeing any kind of new content while you grind, that is kind of the textbook definition of the term when applied to video games.
When you exhaust all of Scarlet and Violet's non-repeatable content Geeta is an absolute joke, no grinding or set up required.
If you want to argue that is an invalid way to play the game then the same thing can be said about X items, they put those optional fights in the game for you to do them, just like how they put X items in the game for you to use them.

>>713868751
The point is the new pokemon were implied to always have been there in kanto too but were recently discovered and them being rare is why they weren't in rby. It was designed as a sequel not a complete reboot where every new region had its own ecosystem with some carryover from previous generations. People can bitch and moan about johto not having its own identity but it was designed as pokemon 2.

>>713864171 (OP)
Gen VIII, it's not even close. But the JRPG side of things has been nosediving in quality since VI.

>>713867483
fix is debatable, but it does have an objectively better gameplay loop at the cost of a "worse" story. Right off the bat, the teacher at the trainer school has a level 10 counter starter to the one you pick at the cost of no longer having two.

>>713868671
This is ugly because...?
>Le swamperino?

>>713866001
>4 isn't even a problem with the game design, it's a JRPG, not DMC
nah no shot, slow combat in jrpgs is bad
if you think it doesn't matter go play inuyasha secret of the cursed mask right now i guarantee you'll shoot yourself by the 5th battle due to how slow every battle is
every jrpg only gets better the faster the turns are due to the fact that you'll inherently always be doing thousands of fights per playthrough, pokemon is especially shit for turn speed because it's always 10 textboxes per turn for no reason, you could cut all textboxes down to one buffered textbox and nobody would lose anything, but battles would take half the time

>>713864491

Whats that Pikachu doing to Ivysaur??

>>713864491
That's pretty fucking accurate.

2 has soul though

>>713869868
Pokemon battles feel like they run on a single thread. Only one action can take place at any time. It's mind-numbing.

>>713869861
Yes that is exactly why it's ugly.
A game doesn't need to be technically ugly in order to be artistically ugly.

>>713869924
ビビビビ

I always want to play GSC/HGSS until I actually do and want to kill myself out of boredom. This is mostly true of all pokemon games but Johto especially.
It's a stop and smell the roses type game and I just don't have that whimsy in me anymore, at least not for pokemon.

>>713869957
yea i wish more turn-based games would just preprocess everything and run all the anims at once or in sequence very quickly, mind boggling to me that so many turn-based games just happily have 20+ seconds of completely pointless waiting per battle then another 2 minutes of pointless waste per battle
and lots of jrpgers defend this shit, actively advocating against their own interests, it's bizarre

>>713864171 (OP)
5

>>713864171 (OP)
2

>>713870104
I have this more for gen 1 than anything else. I love replaying crystal and hgss. The only real slog in gen 2 is just the radio tower takeover/goldenrod underground. Gen 1 has the pokemon mansion silph co. Sevi isles in the remake and they are much worse than the radio tower takeover

>>713870104
because johto has garbage pacing, garbage pokemon, and garbage gimmicks like voltorb flip that make getting a TM in any other game take 2 fucking hours

>>713864171 (OP)
8 though I hate 7 more

>>713870557
Mansion is pretty quick and Silph has like 4 mandatory floors. Sevii Islands at least felt like I was exploring stuff. The Johto Rocket shit is fucking boring all at once.

Gen 3, easy answer

>>713864171 (OP)
>worst pokemon generation
If anyone says any gen between 1-5 better just assume they mean its worse than the other gens between 1-5. Otherwise hes retarded.
I remember the days of gen 6 when people thought that it was a dip in quality and gen 7 looked interesting, meanwhile we got 3 even worse gens in a row. Looking back at it, gen 6 was just mostly bland which is a step above whatever gen 8 and 9 are supposed to be.

>>713864171 (OP)
>Gen 1 >Gen 6 >Gen 9 >Every Other Gen> Pile of Garbage> Gen 5

>>713864171 (OP)
The people in this thread are pokemon fans so they are most likely retarded and have no idea what makes a game good but ill share my opinion that they wont like.

pokemon red and green was a new concept and wonderful. pokemon gold and silver were sequels to the first game so were justified in their similarities while expanding and concluded the first game in a special way. ruby and sapphire were remakes of red and green and every generation after 3 were just remakes of red and green and every generation it gets more pathetic and more embarrassing. Every single game should not be about collecting gym badges and going to the elite 4 and games that copy the formula can never be better than the ones that did it before.

Gen 2 was the peak and if you want to know the ranking for the series just pull up a chronological list. Adding faggot x maxing, dino fucking, and balance changes does nothing for the games and if you think it does you are delusional.

>>713864171 (OP)
Gen 2 > others

>>713870889
>triple IQ post on /v/ let alone in pokemon thread
wow

>>713864171 (OP)
Anyone saying anything that isn't gen8 or gen9 is a disingenuous retard.

>>713870734
Nope. Gen 5 is objectively worse than 6 and 7.

>>713869868
Throwing an MMO into the discussion, Pirate101 introduced Fast Combat around the mid 2010's, and the difference is night and day, so much so that people will legit not do dungeons with you if you have it turned off.

>>713864713
not just features, they removed regions and pokemon too

gen 2 made people think they were just going to keep adding new pokemon and new regions without taking the previous ones away. Very unwelcome surprise for people who just assumed that would be the case

>see people complain about the level curve in gen 2
>didn't remember it being that bad but it had been over a decade since I last played it so give it another go
>it's literally fine
Yeah the levels of wild encounters are a bit fucked around Mahogany Town, but the mandatory trainer battles make up for it in terms of exp gain. By the time I fought Red my team were all in the 50s and I still got the win. I never once had to do any grinding outside of not running from the first few battles of each route, if you ignore the numbers the overall feel of the challenge felt better than half the rest of the series.

>>713870889
This would be true in theory but youre just talking about the concepts and features, pokefags replay these games multiple times so they know how much is wrong about the execution of gsc. Pokemon games are generally released intentionally unfinished but gen 2 is somewhat in that regard compared to the other gens that arent total shit. I can see why you could enjoy gen 2 on a single playthrough as a tourist, but if you replay it three, five, ten times you can find out how limited the roster is and how tedious some grinding moments are - and then it is too easy because the new opponents are not higher level than the previous ones. Gsc has the foundation to be the least terrible pokemon game but improvement romhacks probably have a shitton more to change than in, lets say, frlg.

>>713871518
>gen 2 is somewhat in that regard
*somewhat more

If you were a child in the 90s that liked Pokemon, Gold/silver was an unbelievable experience and the peak of Pokemon. 2 is kino unless you're a onions

>>713864491
>fushigisou
>mystery grass
Kek, unlocalized Pokemon names are hilarious.

>>713864243
>What if you were a side character in the story of the most bland, generic anime girl ever?
BRAVO MASUDA

Sorry to say folks but everything after Gen 1 is total trash.
>1000+ Pokemon
Why do you need this many? Especially considering 500 of them are just either conceptual or literal rethreads of the original 151 Pokemon.
>day/night cycle
Why would I want to play a game where I run around at night? I'm supposed to be a kid on an adventure not some weirdo insomniac
>real world clock activities
Why the fuck would I need to play the game on a specific date or wait a specific amount of hours just to catch a single Pokemon? Fuck off.
Let me play and do what I want, when I want.
>held items
You literally just take the item that boosts damage of your Pokemon's type and give it to them.
Wow this really adds a lot of depth to the game and isn't just unnecessary bloat.
>breeding
Yeah man I love walking back and forth for hours just to get a level 1 shitmon.
>EVs
Why would I want even more grinding before I can actually start grinding?
>natures
Great so now some Pokemon are literally born retarded and I need to grind even more if I want to get one that's worth using
>contests
It's like Pokemon battling but for faggots
>physical special split
WHY the fuck would you do this? Is it literally just because some people were too retarded to figure out why a THUNDER punch is a special attack?
Thanks for taking all the coverage away from Gengar and Alakazam, Cuck Freak.
>underground exploration
I'll be honest to this day I still have no idea what the fuck this even had to do with Pokemon at all.
>seasons
So it wasn't enough that I needed to wait for specific days of the week to get certain Pokemon and items, now I literally need to wait MONTHS.
Am I supposed to play nothing but this piece of shit game for my entire life?
>hidden abilities
I'll be real I've played all these games I still don't really know what these even are.
>dream world
Turn off your console to play shitty flash games for babies on your computer, great.

>>713864171 (OP)
Gen II
this isn't even debatable, it nearly killed the franchise

>>713864171 (OP)
Gen 3 easily. Literally nothing of value.

>>713871758
>exp share
What can I even say about this? It just completely ruins the sanctity of the grind to grow your Pokemon.
I barely feel any attachment to them now, what were they thinking?
>trainer customization
Literally everything aside from the default clothes looks awful.
>fairy type
Literal fanfic type, fairies aren't even real.
>Pokemon Amie
So instead of getting closer to my Pokemon through tough battles now I just pet them like a fag.
>mega evolution
Literally Digimon shit
>z moves
Literally Yo-Kai Watch shit
>dynamax
Literally 4th grader playground shit.
>terastalization
looks like stephanie meyer's wet dream

>>713869924
Curing its homosexuality.

>>713864171 (OP)
Gen 3 onwards is ass

>>713864171 (OP)
The jump to 3d was the worst. So gen 6

>>713871798
xp share is in gen 1

>>713871518
>but if you replay it three, five, ten times
I didnt ask you to do that. I said before pokemon fans dont understand what makes pokemon games good they just want to strip out the adventure and the exploration and all they want to be left with is a spreadsheet with a fire pokemon that has 103 base attack and if you dont give them a fire move that scales with attack they will stamp their feet and scream and cry. They dont care that they are given yet another game where you get offered 3 pokemon with the same types from a professor and get given a rival and get tasked with going to 8 gyms then go to the elite 4. Why is it identical? This presentation is unacceptable for people with self respect.

You can keep making the same game over and over and you can have fun playing it but you can't make a better game this way.

>>713871938
Who the fuck told you you could reply to my post?

>>713872064
xp share was in gen 1

>>713864171 (OP)
unovamutt cope

>>713864171 (OP)
XY and beyond

>>713871968
>the adventure and the exploration
Kind of what i meant by the foundation gen 2 has. Johto is a very good region design wise.
But the only reason pokemon stands out among other jrpgs is the amount of team customization and game design does not encourage it enough in gsc. Compare how varied peoples teams in gen 1 and gen 3, then compare gen 2. It feels like the gameplay was not tested enough before release.
Without gameplay balance, the 'sense of adventure' is very close to being just left to emotions and subjective feelings.
And sorry but due to these reasons i dont think excluding replayability sounds valid when judging a game.

>>713870889
This is true.
>>713871518
>if you replay it three, five, ten times you can find out how limited the roster is and how tedious some grinding moments are
But why would you replay it three, five, ten times? The only time I can remember doing this is when I was stuck on too many long roadtrips with nothing but a gameboy in hand. This just sounds like self-inflicted torture and a hyperfixation with a video game series that doesn't have a single entry with the depth to justify anywhere near that much dedication to it.

>>713871770
Until the Switch came out gen 2 sold the second most copies in the franchise right behind gen 1.

>>713864171 (OP)
everything past gen 2 is just a watered down pokemon experience

>>713865683
Based Gen2 chad. This is where Pokemon IP peaked. I still play Perfect Crystal romhack( aka the best way to play Gen2 in 2025) from time to time on my vita

>>713870889
gen poo is shit and this entire post is a millennial troon coping the only good part of his shitty childhood game is going back to a worse version of Gen 1

>>713867719
>That said, Geeta will simply blow over with regular attacks while Red does not.
GSC Red gets absolutely bowled over by your fully stat exp'd and badge boosted mons.
GSC Red is easy.

>>713864491
>You could genuinely ask 100 different people and get an even number of answers for every gen being the worst.
let me try with the ones I've played
>gen 1 is the worst because there's barely a story, everything is simplistic, glitchy as fuck
>gen 2 is the worst because it's just gen 1.5 with slightly better sprites and there is barely a story here, too
>gen 3 is the worst because you had to own 50 bazillion systems and games to catch them all, water, silly story
>gen 4 is the worst because it's slow and introduces annoying catching mechanics
>gen 5 is the worst because it tries an anime-tier plot, bad designs, and there isn't much improvement from gen 4

>>713864713
>proto dexcut
I'll take a proto dexcut ANY FUCKING DAY over what SWSHit did

>>713864171 (OP)
XY is by far the worst in the series. I haven't played the switch games, I just play romhacks nowadays

Gen 4 is easily the best if you can look through the slower pace, technically you have 3 regions to explore, lots of side content and there was no invasion of slopmons like in gen 5 and further

>>713864171 (OP)
Probably 4. Most of the new Pokemon are just tack on extra evolutions of existing Pokemon and it was slow as balls.

>>713877010
>I haven't played the switch games
Lucky faggot
I also absolutely hate XY and playing SWSH made me feel like I was replaying XY all over again. Bland soundtrack, bland locales, baby difficulty, gen 1 pandering and devoid of any soul. Literally 0 reason to touch either game

>>713877165
>:(

>>713864536
>imagine not being 7 when gen 2 came out
>imagine not discovering dog legendaries in the grass by accident
>imagine not discovering Kanto after beating elite4
>imagine not discovering red in mt Silver

>>713865596
Actually diamond and pearl are better cus they still have a working game corner

>>713877428
platinum has a game corner if you’re not a eurocuck. hgss has the stupid Voltorb shit that doesn’t let you purchase coins

Everything past gen 2 is fucking trash, palworld did a better game than everything past gen 2

>>713877515
Not my fault being born on the greatest continent on earth, God bless europe

I think one thing is certain, pokemon games will never recover at this point. If you like these games you pick a gen from 1 to 5 and pretend the new shit doesnt exist

Why are there so many trannies who try to gaslight the gaming community into thinking HG/SS are the worst games in the series?
Is it supposed to be a joke?

Johto fans should rejoice that their favorite game is no longer the worst in the series.

>>713865848
>Yeah I'm sure that's what FF and DQ fags are thinking too
Yes using items is sacrilege and if you dont end the game with every single elixir youve ever picked up you didnt beat the game

>>713878519
The bigger gaslight is pretending they’re good

>>713864491
I'd like to add to this.
>Gen 1 has very little content
>Gen 2 is extremely poorly balanced
>Gen 3 has annoying level-design
>Gen 4 has too few available Pokemon
>Gen 5 is riddled with errors and mistakes
>Gen 6 fails to bring any tension despite all of the tools it has. A huge disappointment.
>Gen 7 is pigeon-holed into exploitable gameplay by its gimmick
>Gen 8 dexxit
>Gen 9 Holy powercreep. Poorly-designed free-roaming.
>Gen 10 It's on the Switch 2

Why this autist keep maling the same thread and discussion, pokemon is trash it never was good accept it ponetsrds

>>713864171 (OP)
The worst is when they went full 3D, it's just been downhill from there

>>713865554
super training was added in gen 6 what is this WHOLE BAIT IMAGE

this one

>>713864171 (OP)
Every gen after 3 gets worse than the previous. So if 4 is bad then whatever is the latest one must be dog diarrhea