Thread 713870919

Well, /v/?

left is goldsrc

>>713870919 (OP)
Left is peepee engine. Right is poopoo engine.

>>713870919 (OP)
Show the FPS and I will know easily.

>>713870919 (OP)
Unreal 5 on the left, I think.

Well /v/? Huh? Huh? What do you think, /v/. HUH? HUH? *knocks you over* Huh? Whatchu think /v/? Bitchass. *spits on you* punkass imageboard. *walks away*

>>713871124
hey man that's not cool

Left is Unreal. Right is HL1.

What gave it away? The texture filtering. OpenGL/OG DirectX is way cleaner at AF than DX12.

>>713870919 (OP)
goldsrc on left

The wall shadows give it away.

>>713871113
This. 15 fps with UE5 on the lowest graphics settings.

>>713870919 (OP)
Left is unreal because the lighting is shittier

>>713870919 (OP)
we're never getting HL3 don't we?

>>713871150
Oh yeah? Then watchu gon' do about it /co/? You ready to throw hands over yo gcj-raided, fag filled boyfriend? Come on nigga square up.

>>713871278
kek

>>713871372
are we*

>>713871278
lol

Is HL:Alyx playable without vr?

>>713871124
this is an ai post

>>713871463
https://www.moddb.com/mods/half-life-alyx-novr

>>713870919 (OP)
>unreal engine can recreate soul
based I will now use your engine

>Uses UE5 just to imitate the retro graphic of Half Life
Fucking why?

>>713871463
>can I eat chicken without eating meat

>>713870919 (OP)
Right is ue5
The light is warmer

>>713870919 (OP)
Right is UE5, there are shadows between ceiling and walls. GoldSRC is too primitive to have this kind of lighting technology

>>713870919 (OP)
>UE5 has almost no difference with a 30 year old engine
WOAO

>>713870919 (OP)
left is goldsrc
right is goldsrc with g_fov 103

>>713871124
But w-why? What did I ever do to you?

>>713872276
Check out The Citadel, it looks like a doom clone, billboard enemies and all, but it's made in unreal engine LOL it had awful performance on release for what it looks like

>>713872580
Talk about Project Warlock 1 and how it's wolfenstein clone that chugs ass in performance every time you throw a frag grenade

>>713870919 (OP)
Both are Unreal Engine.

>>713871124
Knock it off man.

>>713870919 (OP)
What's your point. Unreal has literally dedicated tools to port any engine into it with all its bullshit.
Moreover, unreal is literally a picture engine. Every, fucking, time, anyone presents something made on unreal it looks amazing in pictures, photo realistic graphics, but the second they start playing that it immediately reeks of the exact same slop that you've seen countless times.

>>713871124
great, now my peepee is hard

>>713872348
>food analogy

>>713873049
my bad i forgot 3rd worlders cant afford food

>>713871124
P-please step on me...

>>713871123
oh look it's scatman

>>713873091
How come you don't bully people over money when it matters? Why are you an opportunist about bullying? Do you think there is money in this pattern of thinking?

>>713873123
Literally rent free, I can't fathom it.

>>713873091
>chicken is first world food

>>713873224
Stupid gay cat

>>713870919 (OP)
The one that stutters on a $5000 machine.

>>713870919 (OP)
left looks like it has some sort of ambient occlusion going on, so that one is probably UE5 (assuming this isn't a trick question)

>>713871278
OP BTFO

>>713870919 (OP)
Whichever one is slathered in motion blur because the devs didn't touch the default settings.

>>713871278
>>713871412
>>713871430
>>713873642
see >>713872475
Eternally self OWNED

You require 1 sec of motion to see which one is ue5 as all the fucking effects break

>>713874105
>the simplest joke ever
>still manages to miss the point
based retard

>>713872580
That's just how expensive it is to have real Room-over-Room

>>713874313
>nooo you have to imagine I got it correct

>>713872276
It's a great game at least

the wall on the right has some really weird stuff going on with it that i never saw in a goldsrc game so im going with left
i also intuitively felt left from the thumbnail the black and yellow striping is off in the right.

>>713874105
you are btfo'd LOL

>>713870919 (OP)
Right has a low resolution baked lightmap. You wouldn't get that effect in UE unless you really tinker with the settings.

>>713874962
NTA and you're right, but holy mother of fuck does it run like ASS.

>>713870919 (OP)
Left one has no sharp shadows which indicates lumen is being used. Right one has sharp shadows, low shadow map resolution and you can tell it uses point lights by how the light illuminates the wall in an unrealistic way(light source is square, shadow on the wall is rounded).

Left is UE5, right is GoldSrc.

>>713871124
kek

>>713876193
I don't think there are any point lights in this scene. HL light maps are low res but they support the use of emissive textures.

>>713876926
Sorry I meant to say spot lights, not point lights, otherwise the ceiling would be lit, but you're probably right. I didn't know you could use emission for lighting in goldsrc.

https://noclip.website/#HalfLife/c1a1c;ShareData=Aa3LPUWf;|9ITHzUVu_LV^X-eQU:{ZUoimKUOs/@=sJ!m9i?t58~gT6UjmNmV[

>>713870919 (OP)
cl_showfps 1

>>713871124
dad?

>>713871124
I imagined you as a loli and got hard

>>713871124
>all these reddit bot replies to an otherwise very bland shitpost

>>713877514
>the irony of a retard who hasn't had an original thought in five years making that post

>>713870919 (OP)
Left has gl_overbright enabled which is emulating the intended software look of the game with brightness values between 0-200 rather than 0-100.

It was like bloom but it only effected lightmaps and textures.

>>713870919 (OP)
All the left has (excessive) screen space ambient occlusion, which is THE major performance hit and why every artist should learn when to bake and when not to bake.

>>713872515
idk if right is goldsrc because there are weird rendering differences, but yeah left is the Quake-standard of 90 fov.

>>713877672
neither picture has SSAO

For well over a decade, the Steam release of HL1 had HD models on by default, had texture filtering by default, AND had gl_overbright turned off.

Many people noticed that the game looked "dull" or "dark" but most never realized it was because gl_overbright had been set to 0, so they ruin the game's look with the contrast and brightness sliders.

>>713870919 (OP)
Left is UE5 and right is GoldSrc.
Shadows and light give it out fast. I've played enough HL1 and Sven coop for several years to just know which one is original engine.
UE5 has soft looking shadows with lighting, it looks realistic and pretty smooth, while GoldSrc is primitive and got low shadow resolutions which makes them look sharp and very obviously fabricated, and on top of that, the lights go directly to each direction of lighting the area circularly. Circular lighting in this case is UE gimmick, GoldSrc doesn't do that unless you come up with your own adjustments.

>>713877984
pic related.
Top is what it looked like for a long time, throughout the introduction and rise of streaming and youtube.
Bottom is how it is supposed to look and how it originally looked before Steam.

The current Steam HL1 anniversary update has made overbright an option in the video settings called "Shaders" for some reason, but it is enabled by default.

>>713878070
I had the original release of Half Life and it looked like the top image, not the bottom

>>713878192
lol software bitch

>>713878004
there's no way to just specify what type of light falloff you want like in quake map editors? i mean assuming it's still quake underneath, it's all on the editor, the final game doesn't care since all the making and baking is handled by bsp/light/vis

>>713878245
in hardware mode
the bottom blending mode wasn't even avaiable on dx/gl at the time, it looks like mod4, back then they could only do mod2

>>713878004
Two things:
1. The shadows in both images are static lightmaps that were rendered and smoothed out when the map was created by the devs.
2. The right is UE5 because it fucks up the transparency of the walkway grating; notice how the yellow-black bars vanish through the grating on the right.

>>713878245
>>713878339
In software, the overbright effect is hardcoded into the visuals.
In hardware, OpenGL had to come up gl_overbright to accomplish this effect.

Half-Life might not have shipped when gl_overbright existed yet, but in software the 0-200 brightness is default and the intended look.

>>713871124
I-ill remember this...

>>713878475
how do you know software mode is "the intended look"

>>713873224
>furfaggot chimes in

>>713878579
NTA but there's some graphical effects like animated water which are only available in software rendering

>>713871278
>only getting 241fps in GoldSrc
Your PC, sir.

>>713878846
and? that's cause it's not possible in hardware mode
there's also stuff in hardware mode not possible in software like bilinear filtering

>>713878579
Software has effort put into its visuals and lighting and texture effects that OpenGL couldn't replicate.

>>713871278
oof

>>713878917
HL's 3D accelerated look is simply iconic. The game started development as a software rendered game, but nobody in their right mind would play the final product without an accelerator in 1998.

>>713879020
Uh, sweaty, everyone had the same PC as me back then, which means they ran 320x200 software at 5fps.

>>713879020
Much like Quake, the official hardware-accelerated versions both helped and hurt the visuals while changing the software's art design.
HL1 should have similar community mods that make the visuals in hardware look like software with the performance increases.

>>713879168
oh yes just look at that marvelous banding

>>713879168
What am I looking at? Which one is which?

>>713879227
The CPU has to plot each pixel at the right color on the screen per frame by itself, so color depth and resolution is crushed.
I like the starker colors if the banding could be eliminated in hardware, and having the original water/acid/toxic texture with ripples and waves.

>>713879318
Hardware is the one without the heavy pixelation on the textures (look at the control box).

>>713878917
And OpenGL has effects that software couldn't replicate, what's your point

>>713870919 (OP)
Left is GoldSrc because the lighting is flat. GoldSrc can't do lighting in the right pic. Assuming it's all dynamic.
Unless it's prebaked and for some reason UE5 lights aren't light sources but just props. You can very easily fake a result like that.

>>713879424
Can you name these visual effects that are missing on software?

I'm not trying to argue you stop playing hardware, but people should be aware that these visual effects in software were custom-made by Valve and are mostly unknown due to the obvious advantages of playing with a GPU.

r_shadows_1 my beloved.

I don't care if it's incomplete and glitchy in spots, it improves the look of the game so much. Of course they removed it for compfags playing the multiplayer mode in an update 25+ years ago. But if you play an older build it'll work.

>>713879580
>Can you name these visual effects that are missing on software?
texture filtering

>>713872276
Why not use one of those free (as in freedom) Doom sourceport engines at that point?

>>713877556
the irony is that his response is the most original out of all of the replies.

>>713870919 (OP)
Can only tell when it's in motion cuz UE5 will have crashed in 4 seconds.

>>713871463
>can I play Wii bowling with mouse and keyboard?

>>713879612
Most people complain about Half-Life being "blurry" until told about turning the filtering to nearest neighbor, and I view the game as looking much better without texture filtering (especially the bilinear filtering that was available at release).

>>713873167
You are this site's most pathetic namefag. You've never done anything funny or even worth laughing at. You're just strolling along pathetically while everyone holds you in contempt.
Why do you subject yourself to this? Nobody is forcing you to fill that name box.

>>713879739
>Most people complain about Half-Life being "blurry"
That's a funny thing to say considering texture filtering is used on every single hardware accelerated game even today
Your opinions aren't facts

>>713879336
nvidia added debanding in RTX HDR
if you have an HDR display you can boot any game, upconvert it to hdr and smooth out all banding
I don't think it works in SDR, they mostly only made it to fix 8 bit banding as HDR content must be 10 bit

>>713879817
I'm not arguing against texture filtering in general, wtf?
In a game like HL1, with such low-resolution textures the filtering makes it no longer pixelated but the clarity goes down and everything has this smeary look to it. N64 games are similar in this regard (again, bilinear filtering on low-res textures).

>>713879993
You're saying that it's the canonical look for HL1 because you don't like the way it looks

>>713878917
Fuck that was atmospheric as fuck. Xen constantly put me on edge. You can only get this magic from a good artist. Doesn't matter the engine.

>>713880275
someone email gaben so we can get a definite answer to this

>>713871124
/v/ needs more bullies.

>>713870919 (OP)
>>713879658

>>713879595
Do RT shadows.

>>713871463
The pacing and basically everything is built around VR. It's possible to play it, but you didn't really play it if that's how you decided to play through it.

>>713870919 (OP)
Hard to be sure since both images show different camera angles.

>>713870919 (OP)
Right looks sharper. Left is Unreal

>>713870919 (OP)
Left is Unreal. Right is GoldSrc because you can see where the caution-pattern bars are hidden by the grating pattern even though realistically you'd see through it, because the compiler just saw two solid brushes next to each other and cut away the inside faces.

>>713881898
Also, how the light is the same on the wall below the walkway. Unreal fades it.

>>713877984
>texture filtering by default
that's a good thing and the dev's intended vision however

>>713881898
You can load up HL1 right now and verify that GoldSrc correctly renders the yellow-black bar through the metal grating.

Right is UE5.

>>713872276
This game is made in UE5 as well btw

>>713883786
I bet it stutters LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

>>713884024
It used to before an update

>>713871113
Why do people say this? I'm playing a UE game right now and it's probably the best performing game I've played all year. Stable 144fps. And the stuttering memes about said game only happen during obvious area transitions for like a solid second.

Are you sure you guys don't have a Windows issue?

>>713871278
zozzle

>>713870919 (OP)
Right one is GoldSource? Why?
Because of the drawn shadows on the walls and ceilings.

>>713884451
what game

>>713880769
tell me you have an intel processor without telling me you have an intel processor

>>713871278
/thread

>>713871124
heh... *corrects glasses* *smiles* nice try! *teleports behind you* ...nothing personel, kid *unsheats katana*

>>713873091
>the only reason you're not fat is because you're poor
But nonny, you're poor and fat?

is the trick that neither are goldsrc? first one has far too smooth filtering and the second has AO, probably the source port

>>713871124
*moans* Thank you, daddy!

I don't like low res texture filtering. There, I said it. That's why I infinitely prefer the PS1 over the N64 and play HL1 with texture filtering off even if it's wrong.

>>713871278
OP BTFO

>>713885436
>not the intel crash
>AMDjeet starts shilling immediately

>>713871113
this

this thread brings me back to the old days of dicking around with worldcraft

>>713871278
>>713878864
HL1 has a 100 fps cap and removing it starts causing bugs.

>>713880769
unreal engine games only seem to have problems with nvidia cards. i suspect it's less of an issue with the engine, and more of an issue with nvidia drivers.

>>713872276
Why not? You don't need to use metahumans and megatextures and lumen and nanite and GI. You can just use UE for all it's other features that speed things up and make games more simple to devlop.

>>713878341
You're right about the transparency, but why didn't the person who made that just use forward rendering in UE5?

>>713883272
Ah, my mistake then. I assumed it operated on Quake bsp rules and that Valve was just lazy.

>>713870919 (OP)
unreal left
gold right

where is the money you owe me?

>>713871113
>never ask an unreal engine game its framerate

>>713871278
and there it is

>>713875667
>but holy mother of fuck does it run like ASS.
It's in EA, and ran acceptably on a GTX970. There's used to be a full minute of loading in the hallway connecting offices to labs before the devs addressed the optimization issues. It's not an engine problem and it's not a permanent problem.

>>713871124
Now listen here young man!

>>713877426
Oh that is so hot!
*gets hard too*

>>713871124
Even in /v/, I got bullied like when I was in highschool...

>>713879747
The fact that there are people still seething after seeing poopooman signing his posts in 2020+5 is hilarious.

>>713871124
>internally:
>"fucking f-faggot bully nigger! just w-wait until I grow up and t-t-then I will OWN you!!!1!"
>15 years later
>still a loser
Fugg :DDD

>>713871124
>Huh Huh
>HUH HUH
>Huh

>>713884451
>Prequel poster
>X unreal game runs just fine on I'm running dlss 5 and you can almost make out whats going on on screen with the motion blur and dynamic resolution scaling at 2000 fps
3/10 made me respond

>>713871124
OW OW OW STOP ANON AH IT HURTS AH

>>713870919 (OP)
left is ue because it looks like blurry shit

>>713898398
Nice job, tech illiterate thirdie. UE is on the right.

>>713899343
Prove it

>>713899879
Prove it that I should prove it.

>>713899879
Transparency on the grate texture. Dumb brown shitposter.

>>713900286
Transparency on the grate texture what?

>>713870919 (OP)
Looks like a .gif that someone converted to .png
This pic is disingenuous

>>713900286
It's spelt "great" you dumb thirdie!

>>713901653
>>713900729
Guys please, you can't joke like that when /v/ is 99% illiterate third world children.

>>713899343
KEK, UEjeet is mad

>>713901653
it's nothing special desu

>>713870919 (OP)
>low color gif converted to png
>lights are cut off on the left
What disingenuous garbage.

>>713871124
You're kinda cute

>>713902047
Pipe down, thirdie.

>>713871278
nice but wrong

>>713900729
Transparency on the grate texture - some would say the gratest - is what proves this is UE5, made in America by hardworking Americans. Jobs are coming back! Thank you for your attention to this matter.

>>713871113
lmao

>>713902334
BOOM BOOM BLACK MESA

The left is too clean. That's Unreal, isn't it?

>>713892386
>futa loli
Now we are talking!

>>713872276
>>713890604
I'm not sure about Nanite but Abiotic Factor does use Lumen/GI, which is the main reason it struggles a bit on lower end PCs.
While it does invoke the retro 3D style, the actual visuals are way beyond that era of games, largely due to the dynamic lighting/shadows and reflections.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MAvH9T__jLQ

>>713873224
this bratty cat...

>>713905662
>all this light smear
are all scientists you play as astigmatics?

>>713870919 (OP)
right is unreal because they don't show the ceiling in the left shot, probably because it looks bad and its too bright

>>713905798
possibly

>>713871463
Yes first you start in a state of not having VR then you ebay a quest 2 for $150 or buy any quest on amazon and return it within 30 days