>Take a single bite.
>Paradise Stolen.

You can't defend this. It's completely anti-consumer.

>"don't eat the fruit"
>eat it anyway
>WOOOOOOOOW HOW WAS I SUPPOSED TO KNOW?

>>713883019 (OP)
This is why we have to share the planet with browns btw, Mormonism is right about one thing

>>713883019 (OP)
if i saw a freaky lookin snake dude tryna get me to eat fruit i'd do a 360 and walk away

>>713883089
Because the fruit it was teaches you the difference between good and evil, you LITERALLY couldn't know to not eat it unless you eat it.

Shit game design, god is a hack.

>>713883429
Man innately knew what was evil

>spend hours looking for 50 pious men
>turns out I was supposed to do a shit ton of dialogue checks to get it down to 10
>there aren't actually even 10
fucking bugged questline

>>713883019 (OP)
AAAAAAAAAH! ADMIN ABUSE! ADMIN ABUSE!

>>713883019 (OP)
how does human knows what apple is?

>>713883019 (OP)
Christians will believe such retarded things, and then say that trannies are delusional.

>>713883429
This is unironically one of the biggest and plainest flaws of the entire narrative and it undermines everything about it right at the outset. The whole thing is all kinds of retarded, and I'm saying this as someone who has immense reverence for many aspects of religion including Christianity.

>>713883463
Read the book again, they literally only realize things are evil and wrong after they eat the fruit. The Fruit is literally named "fruit from the tree of knowledge of good and evil." It teaches you how to make your own judgements, which is considered bad in Christian lore because its all a big retarded allegory for obeying your parents instead of being a smartass.

It's also why Christians who scream GOD ISN'T EVIL YOU CAN'T UNDERSTAND WHAT EVIL IS FROM HIS PERSPECTIVE are complete frauds who don't even read their own holy book. The very first thing humans ever did was learn what good and evil were, against gods wishes. We know damn well what evil is and can judge it accordingly.

>>713883652
Christcucks also like to mutilate the genitals of children. They're the two sides of the same coin.

>>713883652
>So we found a bunch of old bones,here have this drawing based on said bones, this is how humans looked like in the past

>>713883463
>god misworded the prophecy

>>713883683
Is AI evil according to the bible?

>>713883019 (OP)
>Don't look back.
>Lol, GET FUCKED YOU HOMO-AAAAAAAACK!

>>713883682
>>713883429
it doesn't actually undermine the narrative because of what the punishment was. God punishes humans with civilization. Adam has to eat plants and till hard soil and eve has to bear more children and obey him in all things. they pass on the sin to their offspring because their children are also living in civilization. In theory, if you could return to monke, maybe original sin wouldn't apply, but presumably that would be difficult to do. your offspring would have to both be an infant and trapped in the wild and numerous enough to reproduce and also not benefiting form civilization in any way.

>>713883716
To be fair, Christianity started as a Jewish cult.
Christianity, Judaism and Islam are called "Abrahamic Religions" for a reason, they're all spinoffs of the same basic faith.

>>713883792
ai as god= evil
ai as humanities child =good/sovl
this isn't from the bible but if I have knowledge of good and evil from it then this is my moral conclusion.

who's to say god wasn't aware of the serpent? if god did it just to fuck with his creations then man truly was made in god's image

>>713883792
Yes, but it's not like the big churches care about their values any more. They've spent centuries folding to public pressure and accepting evils so as to not lose the money that weak willed followers freely give them.

>>713883019 (OP)
My headcanon is that the reason we did not find aliens yet is because in each world that God created life, only humanity was retarded enough to eat the fruit and get kicked out. All the aliens are enjoying paradise in their gardens while we suffer here.

>beloved classic gets a woke remake that no one asked for [this Lilith shit I keep hearing about]

>>713883019 (OP)
>Read the old testament
>Half of the stories are just Satan going "Yo God, I'm going to fuck with humanity as a joke."
>"Lol, okay but if they say my name in vain I'm going to send them to hell forever."

>>713883019 (OP)
>I put a failure state in my garden and the only people who could fail did wttfffff
Imagine if you put a Darth Vader AI voice in your game that reacts to what people say and then people make it say slurs.
You then ban those players but don't remove the AI.
It also turns out those were the only two players in your game.
Your game is now dead.

>>713883509
>the sequel to the best selling game has arrived
>given literal quest marker to find the player character, s m h, we didn't need these in the first one
>arrive
>shitty town, quest marker points to a stable, wtf is this level design, what do they even eat
>he's zero years old
>need to wait at least 16 literal years for him to start his questline because this is a live service game trying to pad out the playtime + get past the 2 hour refund period
His father is a literal cuckold, literally his wife's son, modern gaming sucks
I bet everyone's going to do the pacifist run this time
The only way this could get worse is if there's a quest about forgiving a prostitute or a contrived finale with an avoidable death
Hopefully it'll sell so shittily there won't be an expansion where you come back postgame to talk to all your party NPCs to find out how your choices affected them

>>713884420
Lilith was the original though, Eve was her remake.

>>713883792
It's demonic

>>713883089
>be all powerful all knowing God
>allow Satan to tempt your innocent naive creations who literally don't know the difference between good and evil
>they get tempted
>WOOOOOOOOW HOW COULD YOU HAVE DONE THIS ENJOY HELL

>>713883879
Hot take, she wasn't looking back to gloat, but out of concern for her neighbors

>>713883089
DSP still being alive and well pretty much proves God exists and has endless tolerance

>>713883682
it's about self-control. if you can hold yourself from doing something as trivial as this, what else are you capable of when you give in to your desires?

>>713883993
based

>>713885382
Their desires/needs were being met already, so really, no reason to eat the fucking fruit.

>>713883429
>>713883682
Not only is it shit design, the event itself playing out the way it does is necessary for the plot to progress. Say eve had been a good little girl that didn't eat the fruit simply because god said so, as she was supposed to. Then what? The two live forever in perfect bliss, never knowing any better? But then how do you check if free will (which is their core feature) works? If they have no concept of time or pain or death or good or evil and they never choose wrong, you can't never really make sure free will works at all (or you do, because you're all-knowing, supposedly, but then if you do know then there's no need to test them to begin with). Whatever the case, you can just keep sending the snake (or any animal) to tempt them over and over for untold eons until eve and/or adam eventually give in. It doesn't matter if they choose to obey god a billion times, all that matters is the 1 time they choose to disobey.

Almost as if the entire thing is a dumb metaphor that only works in hindsight and should never be taken literally, much less have an entire religion built around it. The pandora myth is the exact same shit but at least there it works better because it's explicitly stated pandora was created for the purpose of fucking up because the gods were malicious, here you're left to believe that "damn, if just eve the dumb cunt hadn't eaten the fruit, we could all be living in paradise still".

>>713883019 (OP)
>Born too late to stop them from eating the apple
>Born too early to get raptured
>Born just in time to overdose on ketamine and see heaven

>>713883089
>"don't eat the fruit"
>eat it anyway
>tell everyone you ate the fruit and how cool you are for doing it
>"What is God going to do? Ban me from Paradise? lol"

is Abel the first person to eat meat?

>>713883019 (OP)
Reminder that satanás turned Adán in to a faggot.

>>713883429
????
They knew not to eat it, God told them not to. It's weird how you are getting filtered by a very simple premise. They knew they should obey God, but chose not to. The tree didn't grant them free will they had it from the beginning, and they used it to disobey when they should have used it to obey.
They weren't created to know the difference between good and evil, and they didn't need to in order to obey God. God didn't create them to perform actions based on value judgements, they were just supposed to obey and leave the value judgements on what's good and what's evil up to God.

>>713886721
>They knew not to eat it, God told them not to. It's weird how you are getting filtered by a very simple premise. They knew they should obey God, but chose not to. The tree didn't grant them free will they had it from the beginning, and they used it to disobey when they should have used it to obey.
????
>you have free will, please do that which you wish
>but no you need to also obey me.

>>713883019 (OP)
>commit crime
>get arrested
yes thats how it works

>sorry animals, humanity fucked up so that means they're going to start eating you and you all have to start preying on each other too
Justify this

>>713885709
it's supposed to teach you what not to do dipshit, i'm not talking about adam and eve but god
>WOWWWWWWWW MY CREATIONS DISOBEYED ME
yeah because god built in that feature, if he wanted the illusion of free choice he shouldn't have made man and instead made more angels
like man and AI ten years from now

>>713884538
did they actually ban people for making the vader ai say the big funnies?

>>713886774
They don't NEED to obey. They can disobey, which they did, and pay the consequences for it.
Also they had many other things to apply their free will to, instead of applying it to the ONE thing that God said not to do. Everything was permitted in the garden, they could do literally anything they wanted, everything that's a sin now they could have done, they had less restrictions than any subsequent person regarding negative outcomes for their actions. Adam could have chosen to bash Eves skull in and God would be like, "Why would I punish you? I never said you couldn't kill and it's not like you know any better. I gave you dominion over the garden, you can do whatever you want, EXCEPT for eat from the tree" There was literally only ONE RULE. Come on man. It's a very simple story, desert peasants from thousands of years ago made it up and understood it.

How did Adam and Eve eat the apple behind God's back if he's omniscient?

>>713887373
its called high trust society

>tell my six year old not to eat out of the cookie jar
>he eats a cookie from the jar
>I expel him from my home, cursing him and his lineage to death and suffering
Wait, actually I don't do that because I am apparently more forgiving and have a better sense of proportionality than an "all-loving" omnibenevolent god.

>>713887734
i didn't know you created the entire world in seven days

>>713883682
Maybe it’s the entire point of the symbolic narrative? Isn’t it true? Hasn’t our evolution wrought horrific consequences that we couldn’t even conceive? But the path to transcendence isn’t back, it’s forward and ever deeper. It’s a story that filters people with no media literacy

>>713887917
It only took six actually. I rested on the seventh.

>>713883683
>a big retarded allegory for obeying your parents instead of being a smartass.
wow, you realised it was a metaphor but you are too egoistical, short-sighted and cynical to comprehend what it actually means.

First of all, it’s not one event in history. You are Adam, and you are Eve. Second of all, the key aspect is that the feminine is the receptive in religious symbolism. That is, Eve the earthly body and our subconscious. Third of all, the snake is the illusion of separation between yourself and all things. Fourth of all, we are responsible in our actions because we all know good and evil, unlike animals who are in innocent grace as they slaughter with glee. Fifth of all, do you think for one second the fact that God would know what Adam and Eve were going to do hasn’t been accounted for the all the history of modern abrahamic religions? Sixth of all, exactly what do you think Eden is

>>713887734
Unfortunately, you apparently also lack the intelligence to comprehend existential psychological symbolism (which you will never comprehend, because you were fed the lie that people in the past were stupid and us modern are so completely enlightened). Though I guess the point is that even though you don’t consciously understand the story, there is a part of you subconsciously that does and that sticks with you.

>>713887734
>more forgiving
>better
Subjective, idiot. Your self serving opinion on what actions is "better" and what is "more forgiving" is irrelevant and meaningless. And to think, that's just relative to everyone else on earth, you're just some fag on /v/. Your definition is meaningless even in the face of your fellow man, let alone vs an all powerful deity and creator of the universe and all concepts within it.

Pick your battles better, or at least bring a better weapon than an imaginary sword.

>>713885709
> "damn, if just eve the dumb cunt hadn't eaten the fruit, we could all be living in paradise still".
Honestly, in terms of the narrative, it’s a good thing we left Eden because we now have the potential to grow into something better than we did before. Do you want to be a stupid happy blissful monkey forever?

Adam lay ybounden,
Bounden in a bond;
Four thousand winter
Thought he not too long.

And all was for an apple,
An apple that he took,
As clerkes finden written
In their book.

Ne had the apple taken been
The apple taken been;
Ne had never our lady
A-been heavene queen.

Blessed be the time
That apple taken was,
Therefore we moun singen
Deo gratias!

And we have this little guy to thank

If God was really benevolent and loving while also being omnipotent you wouldn't need to perform so many mental gymnastics to prove it. It would be plainly obvious without the need for a council to decide on a narrative. Why even go for the omnipotent route? Why not just say that God is powerful and much greater than man but even he has limits? Is creating the universe in six days unimpressive or something?

>>713887373
The point is that they didn't, they believed that they did. It was less about the action of disobedience and more about the attempt to cover it up. Sins of the mind are weighted more heavily than any other. To know something is true and to preach the opposite is one of the worst things you can do.

>>713883019 (OP)
DO NOT REDEEM THE APPLE MAAM

>anti-consumer
good

>>713883019 (OP)
>woman is persuaded by an evil reptilian
>man suffers because of it
a tale that rings true even to this day

>>713888873
I mean kudos to you for seeing the best in a bad situation but uh I'd rather be in pain free paradise personally

>>713883898
the golden era in paradise as spoken of in the bibles and through many myths and legends was a time when humans did not eat nor procreate. it was a time when the human consciousness was in a sense, controlled by the beings which existed among us and were considered gods.
humanity eating the fruit symbolizes the human consciousness gaining free will and the ability to choose between becoming like God or slithering the Earth as a beast for all eternity.
but who knows.

>>713883019 (OP)
If Eden was/is paradise and God's kingdom, how did Satan get in? It goes back to the Epicurean paradox, if God is all powerful, all great, and all knowing, the only logical answer is that God let him in, yet could foresee what would happen.

>>713888539
chochmah
more like chochmah nuts lmao

>>713887046
Dunno
I don't know if they would even have the logs to track down misuse

>>713887917
>>713888123
>boomers only needed to work six days to create a home

>>713883019 (OP)
And that’s why you should never listen to /v/‘s opinion on anything, because the story of Adam and Eve is such a simple but perfect story. It has almost a mathematical level of depth. They have the ability to see to ‘holes’ in the typical interpretation of the narrative, but understanding and the comprehension to be able to engage with these in good faith and perhaps try to see the narrative and what’s it’s telling from a different perspective. The narrative is like a painting, a striking scene where each viewer may glimpse a piece of a puzzle (and close your eyes, doesn’t the tree resemble the human spine in the way you imagine things?), but instead of engaging with the narrative for possible alternative meanings they are content with wanking themselves off and making themselves feel smarter than an ancient desert culture. The gnostics, William Blake and such were able to twist the narrative into something beautiful and enlightening. Here we have a bunch of Redditor neckbeards who sexually identify as misunderstood genius with their only take away being on the same level of cinemasins dissecting a Star Wars film.

Why the fuck would you listen to the opinion of people so stupid and so dull?

>>713889364
What? You can’t a good challenge? You don’t the spirit of humanity, Adam Kadmon, has what it takes? God put us to it because he believes in us. Don’t be a pussy, and take the task like a man. Crush the weakness of your spirit, be strong

>>713883019 (OP)
>still no story conclusion where humanity finally mans up and forces God to eat shit for all the shit he pulled on them
Half-starved Japanese writers regularly come up with better stuff than this.