Thread 713890030

Why did Pokemon peak so early?

with how many ball garglers it has youd think its still peaking

>>713890083
>>713890030 (OP)
>>>/vp/

>>713890190
thanks for the tip anon, made a thread over there as well

>>713890030 (OP)
It didn’t.

>>713890030 (OP)
Tajiri stepped back after Gen 2 and took the SOVL with him

lack of innovation, focusing only in merch , most and worst retarded fanbase ever

>>713890190
>not even a janny but still does it for free
white perhaps?

>>713890083
no one hates modern pokemon more than pokemon fans

>>713890721
if the "fans" hated it wouldnt sell gorillions

>>713890643
>admitting your skin is the color of feces
proud of you!

>>713890030 (OP)
because it wasn't consumed by corporate greed yet

>>713890779
>most and worst retarded fanbase ever

>>713890798
>Y-You MUST be a brownskin!
white perhaps?

>>713890902
this,Pokemon was only going to be up to Johto, but since it became a phenomenon, they wanted to continue making more money.fartendo are Jews after all

>>713890030 (OP)
Why is Red's left arm so much longer than his right?

In the early games it's the jank and unintended difficult bits we remember fondly.

>>713890612
>lack of innovation
FUCKING THIS, palworld showed that to fartendo and shitfreak lol

>>713890721
Maybe if they want it to improve they should stop buying both versions wvery new release like retards

>>713890902
>wasn't consumed by corporate greed yet
it was, though
right from the moment they decided make multiple versions of the same game

>>713890798
Obsessed.

>>713890902
2000s
>Lets allow the player to revisit Kanto years later
>Wow this is hard to pull off in one game, but itll be an amazing experience for the player
2025
>We've removed Battle Frontier because we calculated not bothering with it wont hurt sales.

>>713891813
That was a genuine attempt to foster a playground culture around the game, and it worked
They never expected people to buy both, and tbf they still dont. Only the most pathetic hyperfans double dip for whats essentially the same game.

>>713891746
nothing is going to improve, gf are garbage

>>713890030 (OP)
It was already absolute SHIT to catch them all in gen 2
The fact that almost nobody managed to do it before the internet despite the huge popularity of the games tells it all

Besides the combat is just so damn easy in this game
It coasts solely on its pure soul presentation and great mon designs

>>713892217
pokefag believ epokemon was popular because the game, it was thanks to the anime and merchandise

>>713892453
im a zoomer and i saw just how popular diamond/pearl/platinum were and gen 2 sold better (24 mil vs 30 mil)
Almost every kid was playing it at school

Pokemon used to be about selling the fantasy of a child going on a lone adventure with only magical animals standing between himself and the forces of nature personified as elemental cryptids, poisonous dinosaurs or giant birds.
The closest equivalent might be Legend of Zelda, but you have a sword and you're some magical hero. Alternatively, there's Earthbound, but you have a group of friends and psychic powers.
In Pokemon, you are a truly lone mortal, weak person so when you prevail over a bat-infested cave or scale a frozen mountain, with only the trust between you and some animals being the thing that keeps you safe, that feels cool.
You can see why there's so much theory and lore behind the earlier games because between the low-res graphics and the general set-up, you could read into all kinds of things like Kanto actually being a post-war society, that your protagonist isn't really clued in on because he's too young (obviously not true, but it's a level of depth you could NEVER attribute to anything that came later).

Then it became a franchise and now it's a cutesy theme park ride with mascots designed for children and a variation of the classic Disney adult. You're surrounded by safety, both mechanically and through NPCs. You are never allowed to feel alone, or unsafe, or unchallenged, just delight in the marketable digital plushies you're collecting en masse like Pop Vinyls (unlike in previous games where you pick, choose and raise a squad of 5-6 OGs who will help you overcome obstacles).

Pokemon as it's core is a really cool basic, survival fantasy that can appeal to anyone, but that's been abandoned for years now. You can't blame the Pokemon Company because marketable image is where all the money comes from, but did that really have to bury everything the series is about? It was never about "le catch them all".
Half the fun of the Claude streams was seeing an AI navigate the obtuse world of Red/Blue Kanto and getting lost just like a real child would.

i quit in gen early 3. never played anytthing beyond that

>>713890030 (OP)
Same reason only the first two movies in any long movie franchise are good. It was fresh back then. Now it's a rotting pile of bad ideas

>>713890030 (OP)
after 3 gens there is just too many pokemon and too many games. no one knows what game to play for competitive or it changes every year

>>713892837
>Half the fun of the Claude streams was seeing an AI navigate the obtuse world of Red/Blue Kanto and getting lost just like a real child would
true. pokemon is best when there is some immersion to the story. claude does that very well

>>713892004
>They still don't
They release the games in double packs now that come with both versions. They know damn well that their hardcore fans are paypiggies

>>713892837
>Pokemon as it's core is a really cool basic, survival fantasy that can appeal to anyone, but that's been abandoned for years now.
now palworld exizt and did it better

>>713893280
no, it doesn't. it has the games in its training data so it expects things like someone who looked up the game on the internet would. we didn't have the internet back then

>>713891585
By taking things from multiple games and slapping it together?
I wouldn't call Palworld innovative even though I do enjoy it.

>>713892837
>Then it became a franchise and now it's a cutesy theme park ride with mascots
And they're not even doing that right. The closest the game ever came to actually delivering on its stupid party line of "Pokémon are friends!" is HeartGold/SoulSilver - your overworld follower Pokémon would react to shit if you talked to it, had emotional reactions based on its friendship level and overall health, and it really felt like you were on an adventure with your best bro. Compare that to Scarlet/Violet, where not only do you not get to have your Pokémon out when you're driving (and you will be driving because the game is fucking empty), but you don't interact with it in any meaningful way unless you go out of your way to do a stupid picnic, and even then you don't get much in the way of emotional connection to your Pokémon since their reactions are just "neutral" and "dumbass smile from getting washed".

the less pixels you have, the less chance for the art to go wrong is one of the reasons

>>713893749
gemini is very immersed. it even has a anime girl speaking in normal language about whatever it sees. and yes at this point ai needs some guidance to progress

The franchise was only going to have two games.
Gold and Silver were going to be called Pokémon 2.

this retard, his art just got worse, all the soul was lost

>>713892837
>Half the fun of the Claude streams was seeing an AI navigate the obtuse world of Red/Blue Kanto and getting lost just like a real child would.
He's just like a real autiso-schizo

>>713892004
>That was a genuine attempt to foster a playground culture around the game, and it worked
they could've done that without splitting the game in two
the real reason they did it was because Nintendo had no faith it would sell, so they figured the best way to maximize profit was selling the same game twice

>>713891896
>2000s
The 90s, in the 00s it was already full on
>how many features can we scrap
mode.

>>713892837
>Half the fun of the Claude streams
and the faggot slips it in there right at the end,

>>713890030 (OP)
pokemon peaked when you were 10

>>713895516
he's been schizo-ing quite a lot in his latest run

but now it's mostly just spinning and endless gaslighting by Critique Claude

>>713890030 (OP)
>Protagonist from previous game returns as a super difficult boss fight
Love this trope, what other games do it? I know SMT has done it with Demi-Fiends bosses.

>>713890190
Get rid of gachaspam, porn spam, and off-topic xitter image spam, and then we'll talk

>>713895994
>super difficult boss fight
not in pokemon

>>713890721
I hate it more than they do, pretty sure.

I have no interest in learning the newer Pokémon stats, abilities and movesets.

>>713896049
Whitney's fucking Miltank was difficult as a kid

>>713896049
Only in theory yeah, still like the trope.

>>713895752

AI is here to stay, just deal with it.

>>713892837
>Pokemon used to be about selling the fantasy of a child going on a lone adventure with only magical animals standing between himself and the forces of nature personified as elemental cryptids, poisonous dinosaurs or giant birds.
Fantastic post. Good analysis anon

because kanto pokedex was the peak, it never will be topped even they know

>>713895481
huh

>>713895481
>We also can't make it too good either. A decent physical Electric move is too much to ask and would negatively impact your relationship with it *raughs* haha I don't really know fuck physical Electric niggers fuck Electivire fuck Tapu Cucko fuck that zebra bitch I dunno what its name is lol fuck robot sumo man and Godzirra lmao - Bugs in the Anus man

Zoroark

>>713890030 (OP)
that's what happens when you think your next project is the last, you pour your entire soul into it

>>713895481
captures the heart
>>713896478
does not capture the heart

>>713897837
fun bastard when you fool you opponents

>>713897837
Ability ruined by team preview

>>713890030 (OP)
Culturally the Pokeboom? Absolutely.

But RSE were like the first non-beta Pokemon games. The new box system was -amazing-

Overworld mapping was also great but I guess you say Kanto and Johto had the better caves.

>>713892837
>It was never about "le catch them all".
It's amazing that they've stuck with this as the theme for the series when the actual act of "catching them all" isn't fun in the slightest. It is a slog that originally rewarded you with a meaningless certificate and a PC full of creatures you're never going to look at again.

>>713896282
SAAAR

>>713895481
So it's self-sabotage. I always thought there was something incongruous about this fucker's design, and not just the head proportions, but also the perrfectly round shape, and the also perfectly round ears, looks like a fucking mouse on a starving cat's body. There's also the fact unlike Shinx, this thing and Luxio's blue fur lose the little ahoge thing, so instead of fur it looks like skin and like they've balding. Awful looking.

Lycanroc

>>713899264
its day form is better. why the hell did they make it a bulker slow attacker without any priority moves?

>>713899404
I got a better one for you, why not give it a dual Dark type at least? The bulk it gets over day form is basically negligible, it needed something more and it would have fit really well.

>>713890779
Pokemon is still good and one of the only modern creature collectors, it’s just impossible to talk about the games online because so many people have their “ideal Pokemon game” in their head that’s more rooted in the anime than the games

>>713897681
What the fuck does Inafune have to do with Pokemon lmao and who's the other guy, James Turner?

>>713890190
You know the reason why Pokémon threads appear here is because the quality of posting is so bad over there that they seek Refuge here. Same logic applies to Deltarune threads. Go tell them to clean up their board and imply new rules.

>>713900469
They don't seek refuge because they bring their degenerate /vp/ retardation and schizo drama right with them. they just come here because the board is way faster.

>>713890190
this

>>713890030 (OP)
SOVL

>>713890902
>RGBY being functionally the same gane
lol
lmao even

G/S is unironically the greatest pokemon game ever. I dont think any other comes close

It's a metaphor for how Pokégirls peak in their teens

>>713903880
Crystal :^)

>>713890030 (OP)
peak of mediocrity
baby's first rpg was never good

>>713890530
Probably the best pokemon game of all time, only Emerald gets close.

>>713904253
if you're a furfag

>>713892854
Same, bought it on release and never finished it. Most of the Pokemon designs are awful and they made your character look like a faggot. They even removed the 'gotta catch em all' tagline in Gen 3 because you literally cannot 'catch em all'. You need like 7 different games, including some Gamecube games as well as having to do memory corruption to access the last pokemon because it was locked outside of Japan.

Everything peaks early

>Late bloomers

Hahahaha

>>713890030 (OP)
Been spoiled by showdown so much that I won't play unless it's a rom hack where my team has perfect IVs and I can change EVs at will.

>>713904560
so you peaked in kindergarten?

Originally the games were the focus but over time the focus shifted to the card game and merch.

>>713890030 (OP)
Honestly though, the amount of stuff that Gen 2 added really felt gave that false hope that it was just gonna get better and better as they got better hardware.
Just what they introduced and general QOL to set future standard of things: Breeding, day/night cycles, more types, story following the prior, holdable items, shinies, berries, roaming legendaries. It's pretty cool looking at how much was added in their first sequel.

>>713904460
It's funny that the "Gotta Catch Em All" tagline was just a western localization that was made up cause it sounded cool.

>>713890030 (OP)
It didn't though.

>>713900469
>>713900820
We don't need some "reason". Videogames get discussed on the videogames board.

>>713890030 (OP)
It went from a family game to a kid's game

>>713907473
I'd argue that it went from a kid's game to a "kid friendly" game.

>>713890030 (OP)
Pokemon peaked 16 years after it began

>>713900820
/vp/ threads are better on /v/ and /v/ threads are better on /vp/ because both boards are free of their regular schizos that love shitting up every thread on the catalog with the same tired talking points.

>>713907589
I know what you mean
I think kids can handle more complexity than most devs think