Thread 713922598

So do modern weapons belong in fallout or not

fallout is a modern setting you stupid fuck

>>713922848
no its not, its an alternate 1930's future

>>713922598 (OP)
definitely. the 10mm SMG is the gun I associate most with these games

>>713922598 (OP)
activate windows you fucking retard

>>713922598 (OP)
>tactical tape bit
wtf

>>713922598 (OP)
That's an M16A1 carbine.
Essentially Vietnam era gat. No more out of place than an AK or G3 wannabes.

Fallout 1 already had a fucking DESERT EAGLE and FN P90; a 1980s and 1990s firearms.

>>713922894
1950s - 1960s retro future, you dork.
"Atom Age" for a reason.

Why wouldn't they? The nukes fell in 2077, we got miniguns and shit in Fallout 1 already. You think the AR-15 just wasn't invented in this setting?

Eugene Stoner's designs are old as fuck.
If you think a setting where an AI modeled off of Gaston Glock's brain can create civilian Plasma Pistols shouldn't have basic bitch plastic ARs that were designed and manufactured well over fifty years ago IRL, you should jump off the nearest cliff at your convenience.

>>713923810
What are you saying

We have a Jackhammer, a concept shotgun, in this series

>>713923276
>1950s - 1960s retro future, you dork.
>"Atom Age" for a reason.
Zoomers have a hard time recognizing 19xx's eras, all they know is the last 30 years and the holocaust.

Its 1970s themed with a bunch of atomic paranoia and "new millenium" themes sprinked in, like terminator or matrix

I do not know why bethesda decided to only use a 1950s theme

>>713923868
M16s and M4 carbines have more of a right to be in Fallout than that 'assault rifle' they designed for 4.

>>713924359
Thank you. Agreed.

>future society with robots, AGI, laser and plasma weapons, powered armor, and fusion
>somehow cant defend themselves against chink nukes
Wtf

Thats why mods exist

>>713922598 (OP)
Sure, I'd say firearms even up until when the original games were developed in the 1990s all fit.
What I don't think that fits, on the other hand, are modern "tacticool" weapons that became popular post-2000.
Something like an M4A1 or similar is fine, similar to some of the weapons already in the series even, but I don't want to see some AR-platform rifle covered in picattiny rails, cerakoted coyote brown, with an EOtech red dot sight, angled foregrip and laser sight. That shit belongs in Ghost Recon, not Fallout.

>>713922598 (OP)
theyre in every fallout game made with original interplay people

It's more if they fit the look and feel.
Fallout has always had "modern" weapons in it, especially in 1/2. Even 3 had the G3.

>>713923868
This is a franchise where you find posters for a Tool album and the 1992 film Tokyo Decadence, yet somehow the low iq nigger fanbase tricked itself into thinking that the world was in stasis from 1950 to 2077 and screech and shit themselves whenever reminded of the fact that they're incorrect and they don't understand the setting at all.
And this gets compounded with ignorance about firearms. Common "modern assault rifles" are all older than dirt than this point and were all designed during the mid 21st century -- being old even when Fallout 1 was released. The fanbase treats these old gun designs as haram yet can somehow suspend disbelief for wacky crazy energy weapons when there's zero precedence to do so within the franchise itself.

>>713925107
>mid 21st century
*20th century

All i want is a return to the classic energy weapons designs, biggest offenders are the plasma rifle and gauss rifle absolutely horrendous designs

>>713925107
That's really just art theft because the devs liked the album, not an indication that the album exists in universe.

>>713922598 (OP)
real fallout? Yeah, up to the 90's/early 2000's firearms
3D wacky 50's theme park fallout? No, enjoy your slop

>>713925657
that's some strong cope.
Here's a 1992 Halle Berry photo
https://fallout.fandom.com/wiki/Fallout_and_Fallout_2_posters

>>713924816
So laser rifles are fine but laser sights are too much?

>>713922598 (OP)
Modern weapons should be more common than WWI-WWII antiques. The lack of a transistor wouldn't hamper the development of the AR-15 which was designed without computerized tools. Even Todd-out 3's default assault rifle was based off the Next Generation Squad Weapon.

>>713926084
You mean the G3 ripoff?

>>713922598 (OP)
Modern weapons as well as weapons for the next 50~ years.
The 1950s aesthetic may have been where Fallout's America stuck for another 120 years, but new guns will keep being made. Because war.

>>713926128
Yeah. This gun was fine, I don't see why they didn't include it in 4.

>>713922598 (OP)
I dont see why not, "1960 never happened" isnt a good enough excuse, someone somewhere would eventually make an armalite rifle or something very closely adjacent.

>>713925930
You get my point, you can have laser sights integrated in a cool way like they were in the '80s or '90s for instance, or you can have all the little flashlights/laser sights and so on that they throw on every modern rifle that's covered in rails. I'd rather go for the '80s-'90s action movie influence over tacticool shit.
FWIW when I do play the 3D Fallouts I typically mod in as many lore friendly "original" Fallout weapons that I can. It just seems that 90% of the player base of modern Fallout is only interested in tossing every single gun and asset from CoD: Modern Warfare into their game, however. It's annoying to have to trudge through all that shit.

>>713926481
I think something clever would be having the accessories on legacy guns resemble the stuff you see on energy weapons, like the laser sight clearly being derived from the same tech the pistol and rifle are.

>>713922598 (OP)
>>713923383
I think it's fair to say that the guns shouldn't look exactly like modern guns. This is an alternate history so their guns should look a little different. That said, they're gonna land on similar solutions. The guns should look sensible but not recognizable.

>>713922598 (OP)
the fallout cut off for technology isn't hard and fast, its all about vibes and looks.
M1913 rails don't feel fallout because they'd look weird in the original 2 games

Fallout 1/2 figured this out and you should follow their examples.
Although to be honest, my personal metric for the first person games is whether or not it would look weird being side by side with power armor

>>713926198
Thankfully we got a much better design in 4

>>713927010
This was originally a machine gun.
the r91 and chinese assault rifle were supposed to return in fallout 4 but the modelers didn't even come close to finishing them even though they're both in the game files.

althought assault rifle or machine gun that weapon is incredibly ugly.

>>713925816
nta
if you take videogame eastereggs as completely diegetic and sincerely thematic or part of the lore I think that's a little silly

thinking they're present enough to be distracting i can agree with

Modern weapons were in the Fallout 1 and 2 (canon above all Bethesda titles) and are only not featured in Bethesda games because they don't understand Fallout beyond the "1950s nuclear retro" aesthetic.

>>713922598 (OP)
100% and the weapons of today are perfect to have in the game before the timelines start crossing over too much but bethesda won't do it they hate guns.

>>713922598 (OP)
P 90's in fallout 1
so yes

it's perfectly reasonable to believe military industrial complex designers and engineers would survive in vaults, as considered important people, and therefore progress on firearms development wouldn't be completely hindered.

>>713922598 (OP)
It's pretty creatively underwhelming.

>The M16 entered service in 1964
insane that we've been using the same service rifle since the fucking 60s, same with the F-16, the thing has been used since the 70s and is still getting service life upgrades

>>713927574
It does make sense to have guns that are designed to go with power armor. Which also makes them go well with Super Mutants. But they went too far with the Assault Rifle.

>>713922598 (OP)
no

>>713928537
The M2 turns 100 in a couple of years. Turns out there are only so many ways to kill a cat.

>>713928537
Technically we use the M4 now, but I couldn't tell you the difference.
And apparently the US is planning to switch to the XM5 soon.
They're concerned about advancements in body armor so they're switching to guns with bigger bullets. Although this also drops the magazine capacity pretty heavily.

>>713928537
The M1911 is named that because of its introduction year, and is still one of the most popular pistols on the planet

>>713929169
>countries replace the 1911 with new fancy pistols
>look inside
>design mechanisms from 1939 and ammunition standard from 1901
Small arms are basically a solved game at this point.

>>713928537
not anymore

>>713932520
You can't fool me, that's still an M16 receiver, it just uses a fancier cartridge size

>>713922894
The bombs dropped in 2077 during a period of time the Fallout US was going through a retro future '50s aesthetic revival. Even then, that aesthetic was fairly recent, and there would be plenty of non-retro future buildings, clothes, and technology of various types around. Not that you would know that from Bethesda's handling of the franchise.

>>713927936
irrelevant. even if you want to say all these references aren't canon to the games, you'd still be ignoring what the actual photos are.
This is a poster in fallout 2. that means it was a photo that was taken, of a japanese city that existed, there's a fashion, there's a font. "Tokyo Decadence" may not be literally a move in the universe, but this poster is.
Same with the Halle Berry or Tool posters. There was a photoshoot of some woman -- there's colored film and modern fashion. Or with Tool, some grungy photo done as a striking art piece and made into a poster.

looking at these things even dietetically, it still showcases things that are far off from the 1950s shtick the franchise became shackled to.

>>713933823
>irrelevant
>you'd still be ignoring what the actual photos are
that is exactly what i was getting at in my post yes

>>713924309
That's all gay interplay Fallout 2 addition, just like the talking animals
The design docs for Fallout 1 EXPLICITLY said no Terminator style robots
All the stupid modern guns were also added in Fallout 2, like the P90, G11 etc. Fallout 1 only has 50s-60s weaponry, and no transistor technology, everything is vacuum tube.

>>713925107
WHYY CAN WE NOT BE SOBER

>>713932806
The semi-conductor was never invented during that alternate history either so that's another reason for the retro scifi look.

>>713934475
>50s-60s weaponry
Fallout 1 features
>THE Desert Eagle
>the blade runner gun
>an M47 dragon
>an smg based off of a 90's HK prototype

>>713925107
>find a dinosaur footprint in the desert
>HURR DURR THIS MUST MEAN THAT DINOSAURS STILL INHABIT EARTH IN THE FALLOUT UNIVERSE!!!!

>>713928981
>>713932520
aren't these the XM7?

>>713934928
>the semi-conductor was never invented during that alternate history either so that's another reason for the retro scifi look.
it was but for military use only though

>>713922894
>1930's
found the kiddie who started with 4

Lazy and no imagination. Why can't they come up with some fantasy guns? The bombs supposedly dropped in 2070 or something right?

>>713935728
>random encounter
>vs a poster that's in damn near every town in both games
don't act like those are the same thing.

>>713924635
It gets even stupider. Mister House in New Vegas tells you that he defended his city from the nukes with an Iron Dome.

WHERE TESTLA CANNON?

>>713932520
based

>>713936538
Nope! Chuck Testa

nah, it worked out in fallout 2 because that game is essentially the difficult 2nd album of fallout games. pre ww1 and ww1 era guns are the best fit. also people shit on fo4's guns but i think the PA assault rifle actually looks good.

I want to play fallout 4 again. But, I remembered that everything besides the gameplay sucked hard. Modding is also a huge pain because of all the fixes and dependencies.

>>713922598 (OP)
The stuff I want in a Fallout game: WW2 guns and Vietnam war guns. But no M16, Stoner 63 instead. And add the AR16 too

>>713936357
>vs a poster that's in damn near every town in both games
This makes even less sense, does every town contain a Tool fan? Additionally, since the art has no logo or anything, its pretty obvious the devs likely DIDN'T want fans to think tool is canon in Fallout, tardo.

I like the idea of handmade guns, a shame they can't fucking design them

>>713922598 (OP)
No. The appearance of the Desert Eagle, .223 pistol, the M3 Grease Gun, P90, G11, FN FAL, XL70E3, CAWS, Jackhammer, LSW, M60, and Bozar are all detrimental to the games lore and aesthetic and were thankfully left out of later games.

>>713936879
>its pretty obvious the devs likely DIDN'T want fans to think tool is canon in Fallout, tardo.
see >>713933823
it's still a poster that exist in the game. whether it implies tool existed or not.

>>713937401
>game set in a wacky post apocalyptic nuke future has less wacky garage built guns than real life

is it cool? yes
M-16 is ok
M-4 is not

og fallout says yes. for 3 they still had a non-idiot art director. he died or something. since then bethesda completely lost the plot and thinks fallout is about le whacky stuck in 1950s theme park.

Generally, weapons beyond the 1980s or so should probably diverge from real life and resemble alternate history versions of themselves with some differing shapes and details. For me this isn't necessarily a matter of "too modern" but more like "too familiar". Weird prototypes are a good place for inspiration, even modern stuff, I think the General Dynamics entry for NGSW would be fun to have. I'd also like to see more original designs (with the obvious caveat of them not being ugly like the FO4 assault rifle). I want a good mix of real world designs, original designs, and things in between.
Modders should also try weathering their modern gun mods so they don't look like they came fresh out of the factory and stick out like a sore thumb.

>>713925107
this is such a disappointing thing about fallout, how retards, including shitdesta, think it’s supposed to be stuck in 1950s while it’s supposed to be future based on what 1950s thought it would be, but still very much future.

Yep, even in FO4, I mean you get a Remington sniper and a PPK. That said, turning FO into military slop should be a capital offence.

Only deagle and luger

>>713922598 (OP)
Modern guns? yes and the series has plenty, cod guns with ultra high tech or excessively tacticool design? fuck no, just take a look at the millenia pack from NV, it doesn't disturb the overall aesthetic of the game much but features lots of modern guns, the problem is and always was that "modern" is a catch all term and also has those dogshit tacticool cod gun ports that don't fit in with the style, lore that are popular for fo4

>>713938553
This is actually a good take. But I wouldn't be against having certain cold war weapons present in the game.
MP5
G11
Remington 700

>>713940008
>and the series has plenty
Wrong.

I mod / replace every vanilla weapon they are all awful looking. I put Johnny Silverhand's pistol in FO4, its got cool reload animations

>>713940176
Semantics or retarded?

>>713938553
i think that fallout needs its own equivalent to 1913 rails though

dickmod but fallout and only for rare weapons

>>713940651
I will strangle you

>>713940907
Harder

>>713940942
You make me sick.

>>713941000
racist

>>713941059
I got bad news for you