Thread 713935456

Literally what the fuck was even his purpose? Was he meant to do something more and they were just rushed and never got around to implementing it?

>>713935456 (OP)
He is the build up for both Verso and Renoir and the theme of grieving. Maelle even explicitly says she doesn't know whether he's her father or brother but rather both guiding her. The game is usually more subtle but they wanted retards to get it.
He's also necessary to ground Maelle in the world and give more reason to her woman moment. In addition he serves as a story and gameplay mean of preparing players to pick the good (Verso) ending.

His entire existence is to give Maelle character. Same as Zack from FF7.

>>713935456 (OP)
>Was he meant to do something more and they were just rushed
stay in school, anon.

You can spot retards easily when they say Gustave is a good character. Dude was the most white meat plain character of all time. Dude had 2 catch phrases he spammed non stop so trannies could cry and say b-b-but what about those who come after omg his death broke me.

>>713935456 (OP)
He exists so your expectations can be subverted later when the story changes from something different than initially presented. You need Gustave to tell the initial story. Sciel on the other hand could have been removed and nothing would change with the game.

his purpose was to bind maelle emotionally to the fake world
god i fucking hate zoomers and late millenials so much it's insane

Shame that they couldn't be arsed to give him weapon skills. Yeah I know why it's because they didn't want to piss people off when Verso takes all of his weapons and has different skills on them but it was pretty clear from his complete lack of weapon skills that something was going to happen to him

>>713938006
I was a brainlet so I didn't think about it.

>>713938006
>it was pretty clear from his complete lack of weapon skills
Not really? He has like two slots less than everybody else. And it could be that later ones are unlocked some other way or you could use those points for something else.

>>713938006
He has enough of a tech tree. Usually MC are railroaded into DPS roles but it made sense for his character to have him as the utility party member.

>>713935456 (OP)
>what the fuck was even his purpose
celeb voice actor to draw attention to the game

Gustave >>> Verso

>>713938380
>>713938472
I'm talking about the actual skills on weapons. You know shit like Lune getting random stains when she shoots enemies or Maelle giving everyone else AP when she gains AP in Defense mode that are attached to the weapons themselves

>>713935456 (OP)
His purpose was to make Sophie strip naked and try to recruit all sorts of people in lumiere, so that they would join his expedition

>>713935456 (OP)
He was meant to get you invested in a plot that then proceeded to take a huge shit on your face.

>>713938006
That something can be him just awakening now abilities in himself

>>713938558
you don't get those to start with I don't think.

>>713941037
he's right that you get those very very early on however

>>713935456 (OP)
He serves his full purpose. He is an attachment to a pseudo reality. Is he real? Are painting people real? Or are they just creations? How you feel about Gus will influence your choice in the ending

>>713941037
You don't get them on the weapons everyone starts with, but all the other weapons you find have them except not Gustav. It was especially jarring because in my playthrough he had twice as many weapons as everyone else

>>713937079
Screw you. Gustave was a selfless hero who went down fighting. He would have lived if Renoir wasn't using console commands.

>>713945084
>Relationship level: MAXED!

>>713935456 (OP)
goyslop

>>713935456 (OP)
He's a plot device. Only the painter family are important characters.

>>713935456 (OP)
He was gonna regulate maelle so her dad doesn't destroy the canvas. Also convince her to send verso away.

>>713945084
God he's so based. I can only think of one other guy who is that level of based - Trump

Does Verso just not give a damn about the lives of the people in the painting? That seems to conflict with him joining all those previous expeditions and bonding with them.

>>713935456 (OP)
Shame they wasted Charlie Cox.

>>713950295
Just as honest too!

>>713935554
i like that comparison

>>713951614
Yeah but you know, everyone else do not get to speak of honesty while choosing a fantasy world
Same way leftists do not get to speak of honesty when their entire ideology is based on John Locke's delusions about how humans are born as blank slates and equal

>>713935456 (OP)
He's there to ground the painted world. Maelle was born into it and (You) are too, through Gustave. It's to make the Verso ending, if you choose it, actually difficult. Contrary to what hardcore versofags say it's designed to actually be a difficult choice and there's no perfect answer. Also he's a cool dude.

>>713951142
>We have a right to exist
Literal Verso quote that Versofags want you to ignore

>>713951142
He cares about his family more

>>713951752
>everyone else do not get to speak of honesty while choosing a fantasy world
Saar...

And Jesus and his father actually existed and their existence was put under threat because of the existence of the human race
Would you choose to save your creator or your people?

>>713952071
If*

>>713945084
And this is why I condemned that faggot to powering his sister's daydream.

Shouldn't have lied to me niggertits.

>>713935456 (OP)
The game is badly written, and is pure parry slop.

>>713951142
reality>fiction
you cannot escape that fact, no matter how hard you try.

>>713952807
After seeing 3 grandparents reach the age of 90+, I don't blame him. All kept decades old cards from friends by their bedsides.

>>713952379
Except what would normally define fiction in our world doesn't apply to them. It's not him saying for her to get off the damn video games. It's not traditional escapism. When you have godlike power and you're dealing effectively with real people 1:1 it's not that simple. Versofags will never understand this despite not knowing who Verso was until 40% into the game.

>>713953261
You always have issues with definitions. You don't even know what a woman is.
We all know your ilk, man. You're an old story, you're an old issue.

>>713953261
>Except what would normally define fiction in our world doesn't apply to them.
lol wut? the term doesn't change based on the setting. he knows he isn't real and that alone makes the whole situation revolve around the immutable truth that his world is a farce even at its best.
preserving the canvas would make a lot more sense as a balanced ending if it wasn't so obvious that maelle was going to kill herself, and the fact that it just prolongs the inevitable.

>>713953661
Ah yes, I disagree, therefore I am a tranny. That must be it. It isn't that you've been given every indication that the Lumierans, despite their supposed artifice, are identical to humans in every single way save for their creation. It therefore goes that if one were to say, have doubts or even outright reject the idea of deleting them, they must be a tranny. God this board is so fucking brainbroken.

>>713953731
He isn't the real VERSO. He's a painted COPY of a real person. It's different for everyone else. Lune or Sciel or Gustave MIGHT be based on real people Aline knows in her "waking" setting, but that's never confirmed. That's my steelman theory to hardcore versofags at least: they're based on people she knows.

>>713935456 (OP)
If he was present a good ending would've been possible. His purpose is how his absence and Verso letting him die ruined everything.

>>713953796
I just said you have issues with definitions. And that's not something new, that is something very old in fact.
So much of this world is battle of these definitions.
If you were to create a video game, and in that video game create characters powered by in-game AI so developed that it is in many ways indistinguishable from human, would that mean that the video game world is real? No of course. It's a fantasy world nonetheless. You can go to a fantasy world right now in fact, in your own mind.

>>713950295
I can do you one better. Based Netanyahu

>>713953921
>He isn't the real VERSO. He's a painted COPY of a real person. It's different for everyone else
when did I say he's real? you are actually retarded, anon, and this doesn't change the context of the situation at all.

>>713954018
Would it be real if you were born into it in the same way a real person is? There's a reason she's "32" i.e she's spent 16 in the "real" world and 16 in the painted one. There isn't even a real world comparison. The best you could say is it's like time-travel dimension fuckery. Just accept that in the world of CO reality is not as concrete as you make it out to be.

>>713954105
>There's a reason she's "32" i.e she's spent 16 in the "real" world and 16 in the painted one.
Time doesn't translate equally between the realms, otherwise Aline and Renoir would be well into their hundreds. Spend 30 seconds thinking about something before posting.

>>713953261
Verso is the correct choice under the circumstances. It's too bad most who blindly pick him fail to understand and take responsibility for what they are choosing to do.

>>713954062
>he knows he isn't real and that alone makes the whole situation revolve around the immutable truth that his world is a farce even at its best.
Again, resorting to name calling when I didn't even refute what you said. Of course if you were a copy of another person, with forcefully implanted memories, and not even being loved or accepted by the people your memories show you loving, you'd probably be suicidal and hate the world too.
>"You are not my Verso!"
>"Please accept the Dessendre family's apologies."
He's treated like a fucking NPC even though he has to feel his parent's love through memories. He's just some fucking dude to them. Imagine living your life and seeing your parents and they just treat you like a bug in their code.

>>713954270
>Again, resorting to name calling
oh fuck off, retard.

>>713954105
I very specifically said fantasy world. It's a fantasy world, regardless of who is in it. Again, you are a human, you can go to a fantasy world RIGHT NOW, in your own mind, which would mean in that fantasy world there is now a real human being, but the fantasy world is a fantasy world nonetheless.

>reality is not as concrete as you make it out to be.
Like i said, you have issues with definitions. You should have just said yes and that's it.

The Verso ending is the superior choice, not because I care about Verso, but because it means the genocide of thousands of French people

>>713954258
>>713953261
It's also funny since even Renoir understands that the painted people are in fact people and that killing them is wronging them. He simply prioritizes the lives of his wife and daughter over theirs. Which no honest person can fault him for.
They hear "fake" and immediately take that to mean "doesn't matter", in spite of all the evidence the game presented to the contrary.

>>713945084
The best part of him admitting he let Gustave die on purpose was you can tell Maelle isn't getting mad because she's thinking "damn now I don't feel so bad for gommaging your Alicia right in front of you"

>>713954236
>>713954294
Alright, I'm throwing civility out the window since you both want to be such a pompous fucking faggots.

Her ACTUAL age is irrelevant. She spent 16 HYPERBOLIC TIME CHAMBER YEARS in the canvas. So her lived experiences total 32 years. If time didn't actually matter then Verso being 100 years old or the gommage happening to each successive generation wouldn't either. They literally discuss logistical issues with the "last generation". Neither would aging period. Verso is a homunculus and hates himself for it, but thinks it's appropriate to kill everyone else who isn't.
>>713954258
>>713954470
These guys are actually honest. It's not an easy choice, or it wouldn't matter. God you fucking dickheads can't ever just have a disagreement without being such pompous fucking douchebags.

Why are so many incapable of admitting that they will prioritize the life of an individual over the lives of many in this specific circumstance?
I agree that it's the marginally better choice with how things ended up, but they seem to be missing the point of why it's a choice at all.

>>713935456 (OP)
He was supposed to reach a happy ending, but Verso letting him die made that impossible and only left bittersweet or outright bad outcomes to the story

>>713954887
I think most players don't perceive the lives as equals. A false reality.

>>713935456 (OP)
>Literally what the fuck was even his purpose?
Poor game design. He dies so early in the game that it's almost comical they made him the initial main character. You play him too long to be just a tutorial character and too little to give a flying fuck about him dying.

>>713955223
I cared about him dying. His death and Verso's ending were the only moments which made me feel something.

>>713954573
>Her ACTUAL age is irrelevant. She spent 16 HYPERBOLIC TIME CHAMBER YEARS in the canvas. So her lived experiences total 32 years
she went from 0-16 outside
then 0-16 inside wihout any memories of her other life
she's never been older than 16 mentally or physically

>>713955029
This. E33 is what happens to a story when the main character dies too soon. It's like the endings you get in Chrono Trigger if you beat Lavos without resurrecting Chrono

>>713955202
Which is especially weird since most of the game is spent making it clear that yes they are people. The painting is effectively a pocket dimension with created inhabitants.
Then they hear specific terms and immediately it's like a dehumanization switch is flipped and they stop caring about them completely.

Expedition 33/100.
Also, why did Renoir not just fucking kill everyone at any point ever? He .killed people effortlessly but the party just gets to run around for ages? So fucking stupid

>>713955429
>dehumanization switch
Bingo. It's like one thing to be begrudgingly like "Well, I think it's what Verso would've wanted", to being like "lol their liek npcs lol their not even real xD" when they literally played the fucking game. Did you motherfuckers not feel anything in the intro?

>>713954573
enjoy working in retail, bud.

>>713955693
The game is not for stupid people.

>>713955705
There's just something deeply wrong with someone who can flip like that on character's your meant to feel for, like something is legit broken in their brains, it offends me on a personal level.

>>713935456 (OP)
He's there so midwits can claim the story has depth and maturity because a main character dies even though he's underdeveloped and basically only exists to die not even halfway into the game

>>713955202
>>713955429
you guys seem so oblivious the to the other side of the conversation.

>>713953921
They arent, if anything they could be based on descendants of people Aline knows.

>>713935456 (OP)
his name was got stabbed and he got stabbed\
kojima level symbolism

>>713956279
Why would I entertain an argument that boils down to "lel they fake nothing matters"?
There's strong arguments for Verso's ending, but most people who choose him don't seem to understand and accept what they are choosing to do.
My main argument for it would be that someone capable of creating such worlds is ultimately more important than a single one and it's inhabitants. They could go on to create dozens if not hundreds of such worlds instead of festering and dying with a single one.
That doesn't make destroying that one world okay though, and the fact that it came to that can and frankly should haunt said creator for the rest of their life, especially if they could've prevented the situation by simply being more reasonable. Verso is only forcing that matter because it's clear Maelle will be staying until she dies.

>>713956771
>Why would I entertain an argument that boils down to "lel they fake nothing matters"?
you a such a fucking faggot it hurts. learn to read.

>>713956847
My bad, I should've known better than to put effort into my post.
You're a faggot, kill yourself. That better?

>>713956908
Nta but look! Naked Sophie! >>713938827 >>713950632

>>713956961
>versofags want to kill this

>>713956908
you are literally like the indian at work who won't stop asking you the same shit day after day. get fucked.

>>713957023
>losing the argument? call them a jeet even though you're one yourself!

>>713935456 (OP)
they did him so dirty. still my favorite character

>>713957010
Well the slut is naked in public who the fuck cares

>>713935456 (OP)
If your intelligence doesn't allow you to understand, then explaining it to you won't help either.
Note, by the way, that one day you will die, so what even is your purpose?

>>713935456 (OP)
>he doesn't know

>>713957080
>call them a jeet even though you're one yourself!
kek

>>713951142
He obviously cares but he ultimately chooses to stop Aline and Alicia from effectively killing themselves and also letting the last vestige of the real Verso leave the eternal sweatshop.

>>713938006
I was anticipating him to have some sort of "awakening" rather than dying since Maelle had locked stuff too.
Unlocking so many costumes for him was suspicious though.

you can pinpoint the exact moment the thread died.

>>713958152
When you were told to stop shitting in the street?

>>713937079
Gustave was amazingly "human" and a good man despite being just another painted character who dies before halfway.
Of course Verso is much better though and a deeper character.

>>713958731
probably before I was 2, something you still need to master apparently.

>>713958912
>He shat in the streets as a kid
KWAB

A bait and switch from an interesting story into a shitty one

A bait and switch from a pretty good story into ludokino. Based frogs.

>>713959015
I probably did a bunch of dumb shit as a kid. you don't pop out of the womb potty trained, anon.

>>713935456 (OP)
This ritual thread is retarded.

>>713938006
>Yeah I know why it's because they didn't want to piss people off when Verso takes all of his weapons and has different skills
You don't know anything. Never say "I know" again, your brain doesn't work right. That's stupid.
>it was pretty clear from his complete lack of weapon skills that something was going to happen to him
Yeah, he was going to get an upgrade, captain hindsight.

>>713957289
>E33 haters are literal pajeets
you could tell from the very start.

>>713959093
>t. the concept of relative reality is too difficult for me, therefore characters in a game are important, but characters in a painting in a game don't matter

>>713935554
Sophie is more Ned Stark than Gustave.
Gustave's death changed almost nothing. The team was still moving in its original mission, etc.

People still talk about this fotm? kek

>>713963825
Söy

>>713935456 (OP)
Gustave's death set Maelle on the villainous path that set up the final confrontation with Verso.
Had he stayed alive, he would have convinced her to leave the canvas for good.

>>713938006
I never thought about it

>>713963805
>Gustave's death changed almost nothing. The team was still moving in its original mission, etc.
it's almost like there is a theme of dealing with grief and moving onwards

>>713954054
He does that for every guest
If you want examples of him being an Israel simp then how about the bombings

>>713963825
>notice that people talk about a game released in April when it's nearly July
>still call it "flavour of the MONTH"

Verso is literally hitler. He killed 6 million (wholesome, valid and REAL) painted folx

>>713967709
And he did it with the best of intentions so yeah literally Hitler

>>713935456 (OP)
I thought he'd come back since he had a whole heap of locked skills

>>713937105
>Sciel on the other hand could have been removed and nothing would change with the game.
What a shit take. She's the only expeditioner who has nothing against the painters, the character with the most grief, and the only character who isn't chained by her grief like a beast. She doesn't affect the plot, but the themes and character dramas would be completely gutted without her scenes.

>>713951142
>Does Verso just not give a damn about the lives of the people in the painting?
Verso buried his comrades after murdering them. Family is... Complicated.

>>713935456 (OP)
He informed the party.

>>713935554
this

>>713935456 (OP)
I thought he was a younger version of the Dad as they looked similar. I wasn't even sad when he died as I figured he would soon be back. Completely missed the moment.

>>713937079
You sound happy and mentally well.

>>713951752
This is some bad at highschool cringe. Wow...

>>713935554
Sums it up perfectly. The fact is so many people have never experienced a love one that has died in their life. Its a good taste for them.

>>713937079
You sound unhappy and mentally unwell.

>>713965730
>>Grief
Imagine grieving because Cloud got killed. Who the fuck cares about Cloud? He's the player character. You're supposed to kill characters the player interacts with and forms bonds with, not the player themselves.

>>713972787
It would be a sad moment for all the fujos and fags.

>>713951142
Painted verso cannot not support his family. It doesnt matter what he wants. He exists to perform the function of making his family happy.

>people disregard objectively shitty writing because the characters are attractive
Many such cases.

>>713973216
saaaar

>>713955429
The lesson is clearly that French people are sociopaths.

Hey guys god just appeared to me and told me you're all not real! See ya nerds! Haha!

>>713957214
>Kamina finds the corpse of his father so he has to come to terms with death
>later he faces death himself and embraces it knowing others will carry the torch
>many others sacrifice themselves later following on his heroic example
The difference is that Kamina is well written character and had a point to the story, even at the very end when Nia dies, she embraces it, following on the legacy of someone she never met.

>>713973270
>Pajeet Pass game
>Microjeet shill calls other people Indian

>>713973593
you're not fooling anyone ranjeet

>>713973665
>protesting against the ZOGbot Modi
Rare Indian win.

How do you even determine that the painted world is fake from a philosophical standpoint? They live in a 3d world with landscapes, people, creatures, culture. They independent thoughts and emotions, or at least feel as though they do, and they use science, art, and religion to help them understand the world they live in, and how it is built from chroma, lumina, etc. Just as ours is built from atoms, energy, quarks, whatever else.

Is it the explicit knowledge that the world was created by the imagination of thinking beings that makes it fake? If so, do Christians, who literally believe that our world was imagined into existence by God, also believe that our world is fake and not real?

Do we understand enough about the fundamental nature of reality to determine that our world is real? It's only real from our point of observation as the consciousness that inhabits it, just as theirs is to them. For all we know, even if there is no God, we could still exist as nothing more than a quantum probability table within a higher dimensional existence that we could have no hope of ever understanding. Would that make our world fake?

>>713974432
t. Archon

sorry but being immortal does give Verso a right to erase the entire canvas

>>713937079
I don't think you understand an everyman character. Read a book or something anon, you need to level up!

>>713969575
No, you're just a simp for single mom widows

>>713935456 (OP)
he was a shitty saga frontier 2 reference

>>713935554
Jesus, FPBP and screencapped

>>713935456 (OP)
isnt this the character you play as? this game confuses me with sameface. there is this villain character that looks exactly like the redhead girl and then there is the same girl with white hair. they all look the same, as if they were ai generated

Why doesn't Aline just make the Lumerians immortal if she can make people immortal

>NOOOO!!!! You can't just let me finally grow old and die in a loving, peaceful world filled with my best friends! You HAVE to kill everyone, including my two best friends and yours ju- just BECAUSE, OK!
Verso deserved less than what Maelle/Alicia gave him. I would've lobotomised him into being a piano monkey forever after all the deaths and manipulations he pulled off.

>>713972310
kek, me as well
I also thought Verso was another version of Gustave, and that there was some timeline fuckery going on

>>713976864
What a retarded gorilla nigger you are

>>713976864
maybe play the game, you dumb faggot

>>713935456 (OP)
Pretty sure his death is one of the main reasons for maelle‘s end like holy shit how stupid are people and you can’t just say it’s bait

>>713973665
>muslim jeet redditor dotacel
This game really irks the worst people.

>>713977101
She was right. As long as it feels real it makes no difference if it's actually not.

>>713935456 (OP)
I was told the characters in this game were white

>>713977863
i mean the world is not any less real than the one maelle comes from

>>713967013
>He does that for every guest
prove it.

>>713935456 (OP)
Maelle character arc

Why are midwits so fascinated by this mediocre reddit plot?

>>713978127
because it makes pajeets like you seethe.

>>713973665
What is this picture supposed to prove? A person who doesnt understand how AI works is Indian?

>>713978178
Why wouldn't pajeets like this game?

>>713935456 (OP)
Set up the story about grief.
>>713978127
Well when you can think outside of "What does Reddit think" it's a great story that's very well told.

>>713978127
>people like this
>its now reddit
a real free thinker

>>713978292
>it's a great story that's very well told.
It's written like every mediocre streaming show released in the last decade

>>713958905
Calling him "another painted character" is reductive and shows a critical lack of comprehension of the message the game is trying to portray

>>713978337
>>713978292
Why are e33 fans so emotional? Is this why they cried during the opening of the game over characters they spent 10 minutes with?

>>713978365
This was painful to read

>>713978365
>bro you just didnt understand the mediocre slop its actually really deep
This games fanbase are actual NPCs

>>713935554
Bed Stark was actually interesting. Gustave was a piece of cardboard with some one liners

>>713978337
>>713978292
Well it was literally written by a redditor

>>713935456 (OP)
Maelle and Aline are pic related.
Renoir and Cléa are 100% in the right.

>>713935456 (OP)
People who think this game has good writing should be chemically castrated

>>713978365
>Jeets first exposure to themes of what makes a person real
Chat gpt must blow your tiny brown mind

>>713935456 (OP)
The entire game is full of cheap narrative tricks and genre cliches to manipulate morons into thinking what they're seeing is deep art when it's really just generic melodrama for women

>>713935554
what's a ned stark?

Why do leftists hate this game? Is it because what Sophie had to do..?

>>713979213
It's not really leftists, more like shitskins.
They hate it because they can't relate to act 3 white themes: Art, legacy, family, grief.

>>713979150
Game of Thrones shit

>>713978676
Renoir and Cléa literally carried the story's emotional weight while the other two acted like they were in a CW drama. Maelle was just suffering for the sake of plot and Aline had all the depth of a puddle. You’re right though, Renoir was the only one asking the real questions while everyone else was busy monologuing about feelings.

>>713978196
>some indian doesn't like expedition 33
>indians are bad
>therefore everyone who doesn't like e33 is indian and bad
or something

>>713978127
could you direct me to a high IQ video game plot please?

>>713978345
Please, elaborate. cause this just reads like a stream of buzzwords from someone who can't make a real critique
>>713978379
>Not making all your decisions based on Reddit is being overly emotional
lmao.
>>713978625
proof?

>>713978038
He did it for me

you know the ending is good when it cause such a persistent discourse over which ending is the "correct" one
incredible fucking game

>>713972349
KYS tranny

>>713937079
>"wahhh wahh gaming has too many blacks and trannies these day woke woke DEI"
>game adds a generic white guy
>"wahh wahh he's too white and too plain only trannies like him"

>>713935456 (OP)
>Gustav's purpose.
This anon >>713936614 sums it up quite well, but people also seem to forget that Gustave made the Lumina Converter, which is the reason we can convert pictos into lumina to gain their skills. Previous expedition could only use 3 pictos and had a clear power ceiling. (Didn't stop the real chads from getting through).

>>713935456 (OP)
The point was to make you care about the painting people so the end decision has weight

>>713978405
Because it highlights how retarded you are?
>>713978457
>le slop
I don't even need to say anything in response; just kill yourself. Swiftly.

>>713980209
Lol, okay. I know this is bait and you're another rerard jeet, but sure. Hollow Knight would be a good starting place for you.

>>713981548
>randomly dissing India
Racism always comes out of those who are the most angry

>>713981727
>didn't acknowledge my answer to his infantile question
I accept your concession jeet

>>713982007
Your question is not deserving of answer retard

>>713982149
I didn't ask a question, holy ESL. I was joking at first, but you actually are a jeet, aren't you?

>>713982347
Shut the fuck up and dont reply

>>713982431
Gladly.

>>713938006
He had a bunch of locked skills I figured he'd unlock for a big power boost as some point.
I was actually surprised when Maelle didn't bring him back along with Lune and Sciel.

>>713981548
very telling of you to invoke midwittery so quickly but then immediately become hostile and give a non answer when you're simply asked to share your own tastes. you should have more confidence in your assertions.

>>713951142
He does, but he care's more about his family so when he's made to choose he puts them first.

>>713982770
lol u type like a faggot

>>713935456 (OP)
Killing off a main character is how you signal to midwits that your writing is smart and mature

>>713982841
fr fr no cap twin

>>713983014
Why didn't it work when Joel got Ned Starked?

>>713955839
Kind of undermines choosing Verso's ending if you don't feel at least a little bad about it desu, he's doing something horrible in the name of love, it's very emotionally powerful.

>>713974432
Writers probably pulled from Baudrillard's concept of Hyperreality.

>>713979213
They hate the Verso ending because it's putting your loved ones first, scaled up Verso is literally Hitler putting the German people above the needs and wants of international finance, erasing the painting to save Maelle from her grief is morally equivalent to the holocaust.

>>713945084
Yeah Verso let his greatest ally die for nothing. Gustave would've been 100% on his side after coming back from the Gommage.

>>713986787
No, Verso knows that unlike him, Gustave was not a brainlet. He would've found a way to keep the painting and help the Dessendre's grieve.
We see that although he's a clever engineer, he's not emotionally blind like Lune for example. The guy was mature and knows about grieving from how he interacts with people and Verso, the idiot that he is, sees Gustave as a threat to his mass suicide plan.

>>713984826
So does that mean chuds hate the Maelle ending because they can't cope with the possibility that the painted world residents are living beings? Because as a supposed chud I think if it weren't for bringing Verso back it would have been more comparable. Why should I put the lives of the antagonists over characters I've spent the whole game with?

>>713987213
>Kill all these very real people so a family can learn to grieve
>Plus Alicia MUST live as a mute scarred cripple
People chosing Verso's ending are contrarians or retards. Clea and Renoir would 100% do the same shit if two gods are destroying their world over a marital spat.

>>713987381
Thing is that I still do thing one could argue the Verso ending is the better one overall. Point is more that neither can really be called 'good' endings. I do feel like the game writers went overboard by having Verso brought back in Maelle's, because if not for that it'd probably be thought of as a better ending. As it's portrayed though it has a more grim atmosphere compared to Verso's.

>>713987663
Its fine because Verso gets to die of old age in a perfect world. His whole deal is how Aline won't let him die because she cant bear to lose her son again.
And unlike Aline, Alicia doesnt need to be in the real world. Remember, Clea and Renoir wanting Aline back is because she's the best paintress against the writers and they need her back. Alicia is the runt of the family, they dont need her skillset in the real world. Let her live in a world where she's happy and not a cripple. They can always visit anyway.

>>713987213
Some people cope by dehumanizing them to the remove moral weight from their own decision but Verso clearly views the paintings inhabitants as sentient beings and is simply putting Maelle's life over theirs.
The player doesn't come into the thought process behind the characters, even if you as a chud would rather save Lumiere, you should be at least somewhat sympathetic to the difficult position Verso is in.

>>713935456 (OP)
Once you realize no one is actually a person besides Maelle you need to start examine what they represent through her eyes. he meant nothing because he wasn't actually a person, but he was real to Maelle, and losing him tied her more to the overall themes of loss and grief.

>cheater

I feel called out. Stendahl is retarded

>>713980692
Why are genetic deadends so obsessed with other genetic deadends, with axewounds? LOL!

>>713988495
Level 70 is late to fight this one, but that means you went level 70 before doubling your turns.

>>713989165
What's a good level to fight Sprong? I'm 52 atm.

>>713989780
Too low. Depends on your power gaming setup.

>>713935456 (OP)
you guys still saying his death is meaningless proved that the game succeed in the plan. The game is about dealing with grief. You're grieifing; stage denial anger confusion.

>>713963516
I don't like that this isn't some stupid bad faith post, but something that accurately describes tons of people.

>>713988241
>he wasn't actually a person
You're stupid.

>>713991429
(you)

>>713935456 (OP)
What is it with redditors and le rushed meme? It's like you know 3 things about game development: being rushed is bad, that engines exist (but you have no fucking clue what they are), and that the word "design" has some place in game dev.

>>713990715
op is likely a maellefag, which means he is 90% sure to be a zoomer that never dealt with grief before, that's why

>>713935456 (OP)
Shock value.
Classic hackfraud writing tactic.

>>713990973
On the other hand, if everyone could get that, there would me much less to talk about. A lot of discussions are about which of the two endings is good. Those discussions wouldn't be possible then, because everyone would finally understand that both endings were deliberately made to be bad and only by assuming a specific point of view you can say that one is slightly less bad than the other. But then, you assume a different point of view and realise that now the positions have been reversed.
So to summarise: we have a lot of threads because people are stupid or - I'll try being optimistic here - just refuse to think, because they're afraid of proving themselves wrong. And It's a Good Thing.™

>>713992050
People mostly dislike confronting the reality that it is in normal- even smart and efficient- to cut out things that don't work instead of spending more and more time and resources to make something that adds little substance at best and detracts from an experience at worst. See: people clamoring over unused ideas in concept art books for years and years.

>>713935456 (OP)
He's a famous actor to draw attention to the game. Shame too because he was the best voice actor in the game.

>>713935554
flippity fipitty

>>713944874
>>713958905
>>713972349
>>713972603
>>713976756
>>713980757
See what I mean. Not one even countered how he just spews his catch phrases all game. Dude has 0 character past his le book and le rocks.
What a le faggot

>>713993371
what are his catchphrases? I don't remember him having catchphrases.

>>713935456 (OP)
his purpose was to die and get replaced by a brooding clone that lies every chance he gets

>>713993850
jeepers i hope claire doesn't find this too obscure

>>713977938
Exactly, the point is that they're sentient beings inside of that painting
Verso was just an asshole

>>713992492
His French VA is so goddamn good too, better tham the english one. Its like they hired the best VA for Gustave and Renoir (who is voiced by a more famous actor). Maybe Maelle has a better VA, especially once she's Alicia again (in French at least)

>>713992492
He did great but let’s not pretend English and Starr aren’t the two… stars.

>>713935456 (OP)
He exists literally just to give E33-tards something to talk about and pretend had emotional resonance.

>>713935456 (OP)
>Literally what the fuck was even his purpose?
> hey look we hired Daredevil!
also
> hey look what if we made the main character... le die because he wasnt the main character?

>>713993850
When one falls, we continue.
For those who come after.

>>713987094
The Gustave rimming is still big.
He was a good engineer, but he wasnt smart. He didnt run when Renoir appeared, he didnt plan around him even seeing that they were outmatched, and he was as emotionally versed as anyone else as he was just a normal dude raised on a world that its going to die.
Gustave only existed to make retards say that Maelle was justified in drugging herself to death like her mother.

>>713995378
Those aren't his catchphrases, those are mantras shared by all the expeditioners.

>>713994549
I also played in French and Renoir is the best actor even though they are good to great performances all around. Esquie is also perfectly cast, it's a meme role which could have gone sour easily but he made it work.

>>713995526
AKA his fucking catchphrases you retard. Its all he ever has to say. He says it in almost every cutscene. Because he has 0 character

>>713993850
"I'm too retarded to fuck the girl I like so will just hold her until she disappears and feel upset afterwards rather than enjoy the time we have left"

>>713996636
>Everything in life must be about sex
>I can absolutely have sex to the woman I love just before she dies
>Because sex is all that matters in these last few moments
Take a glimpse into the mind of a sex addicted incel. A person craving something he never had and not understood.

>>713998383
you didn't play the game because they come across a couple having sex before she gets destroyed
so the devs of the game are also sex addicted incels, according to you

>>713999539
Gustave and Sophie were not like that and she has a fun tone when commenting on the sounds coming ut of the hotel. In addition they were not together for a while and just rejoined for a brief moment before her death. It would have taken their entire time together to get busy.

>>713999539
>One easter egg that you must get out of your way to find
>One couple did it so EVERYONE must do it
By your coomer logic the whole port area should be an orgy.
I pray for your porn addicted coomer fried brain. You probably can't talk to a woman without thinking of fucking her.

>>714002339
>You probably can't talk to a woman without thinking of fucking her
bait but I'll call you a tranny anyway, because you're a tranny

>>713935456 (OP)
>NOOOOO a character is completely worthless if he's in just 1/3rd of the game !!!!
brainlet OP

>>713935554
FPBP

>>713984826
I'm a leftist and I did the Maelle ending without any second thought. You sure you're not one of the good guys?

>>714006762
>I'm a leftist
Commit suicide. Liberate yourself.

>>713955394
E33 doesn't have a main character, it is what is known as an "ensemble cast" between Gustave, Verso and Maelle, which is why they each get an act.

>>713935554
Is that Tony Stark's father? What does capeshit have to do with video games?

>>713983314
Because it was done by a big strong (literally she was on steroids) woman so there was clearly something foul afoot.

>>713935456 (OP)
Did you not play it?

>>714008615
cope and seethe, versotard