Post lobbies or just bitch about fighting games I'm not your mother.

Why are devs and zoomers so afraid of neutral now?

>>713954249
idk nobody even likes this shit

>>713954249
Almost every single fucking kind of entertainment is now being watered down in order for it to be palatable for as many people as possible. The consequences of that have been fucking disastrous for videogames as a whole, and for fighting games in particular.

>>713954249
>>713954337
>>713954339
What does neutral actually mean you shitposting fags

>>713954381
Retard.

>>713954381
Is this a meme question or do you seriously not know?

>>713954381
Neutral is the state where neither player is at an advantage. Neither player is taking his turn to attack and break the opponent's defense up close, neither player is under blockstun pressure, neither player is in hitstun, and neither player is on knockdown. Both players are trying to control space through pokes and projectiles to give them an opportunity to safely close the gap so they can begin their offense and/or reduce the opponent's real-estate by pushing him towards the corner.

Neutral is one big game of tug-of-war until.

>>713954460
>>713954540
It just sounds like the people who make posts like these always have a mythical version of neutral inside their heads that doesn't actually pertain to reality

>>713954847
Shut the FUCK up Sajam
Go make another Chipotle ad or something but spare us your opinions about fighting games please.

I hate this character, I hate her kit and I hate playing her, BUT
God damn I love sheer stockings so much

You wouldn't relinquish your ETERNAL, immortal soul just for the ephemeral please of consorting with a succubus, right?
You do realize how absurd that would be, right?

now that its on sale i want to try it but havent seen a single person say anything good about the current season, is it really that bad?

>>713955124
>is it really that bad?
It's probably even worse than what you're expecting and I say this as a Tekkenfag.

tempest_tim, if that's you tempest_dahlia, i'm going to i'm not gonna say but it'll be irl

Dark Souls III is a better fighting game than Tekken 8

>>713954847
Character specific tools that are situational is NOT the same as universal system mechanics that obliterate it or whatever the fuck Tekken is doing right now.
I want to vomit even considering the idea that STRIVE has more neutral than Street Fighter 6 or Tekken 8 but it might be the honest to god truth.

>>713955124
It's fine and even pretty fun if you're a beginner. Just quit when you get to the point where everything is bullshit and don't plan your whole life around playing one game like some people do. You'll get your money's worth at least.

>>713955124
/v/, and the internet at large, is usually very hyperbolic.
It is not hyperbole to say that Tekken 8 Season 2 is actually the worst update any fighting game has ever received. Every character plays the same with the same degenerate 50/50 mix. Tekken 8 was already pretty braindead and it genuinely finished it off.
Of all the fighters currently popular (for a given definition of popular, of course), the only one that's probably worse than T8 right now is MK1.

>>713955124
I am on the same boat.
I know if so many people dislike the changes in season 2 then there must be some truth to it. Then again, Dix has a very positive rating, which reminds me that most people's opinions are retarded and not worth much.

>>713954337
But tekken 8 i still better than tekken 4 because... it just is!!

>>713955592
>It is not hyperbole to say that Tekken 8 Season 2 is actually the worst update any fighting game has ever received.
I didnt think of it like that till now but that is probably actually true.

>>713955124
Season 2 is awful. They will fix it it as in, make the game playable and at least passable as a fighter, appealing to some people. But it may be a while. Just buy it once they fix the game unless you like the idea of every character being able to mash out tods without even labbing

Fixing Tekken 8 would be so incredibly easy, I don't understand why Harada hasn't done it yet.

LET'S BRING IT
POWER OF THE NOVA FORCE

>>713956636
It wouldn't. You have to change nearly every aspect of the gameplay at this point. It would be making a whole new game. I'm not kidding.

>>713956736
Can't they just... revert the things they added/buffed in Season 2?
Plenty of people seemed to like Tekken 8 well enough back then, or at least tolerated it.

>>713956798
>Can't they just... revert the things they added/buffed in Season 2?
They could've and they should've, but
>Plenty of people seemed to like Tekken 8 well enough back then
No they didn't, people were angry they were doubling down on the things they disliked in 7 (which kinda started with 6 but still) during release too.

>>713956736
simply go next title, simple as

>>713956798
Jap devs would never do that. It'd be too big a blow to their pride to admit that an entire year of work that was publicly released needs to be trashed.
The genie is out of the bottle already and they're going to try and fix things within Season 2. They might make it better but it'll never actually be good.
Frankly the best thing would be to cut T8 development short and start working on Tekken 9 immediately.

ok a litchi mirror match
that's rare (for me)

>>713956974
>Jap devs would never do that. It'd be too big a blow to their pride to admit that an entire year of work that was publicly released needs to be trashed.
While this is all true and is how they act, they did do something incredible and apologized. Harada even implied that he just fired the entire balanced team after the whole debacle.

>>713955124
I'm having fun but its my first tekken so i dont think my opinion matters very much

>>713956947
>>713956974
I'm no businessman but I'm pretty sure that unless Tekken 8 owners got a free upgrade to Tekken 9 (which obviously would never happen) then this move would absolutely, without a doubt just kill interest in the series entirely.

>>713957163
>then this move would absolutely, without a doubt just kill interest in the series entirely
It would IF Tekken 9 wasn't a great game. If it was, people would be nettled but cave eventually.

>>713956947
>>713956974
>>713957163
>move on to the next game
I'm actually all for it but it's a bad business move, a single fighting game release lasts throughout the gen, we are stuck with T8 till at the very least 2027/28.
The absolute best case scenario is to re-release-port older titles, which won't happen due to past Tekken games having some good single player content whereas T8 doesn't even have Team Battle.
>captcha:T4 mxh
T4 is a damn good game.

>>713957448
Also want to add that past Tekken games were so clear in motion.

>>713957448
>single fighting game release lasts throughout the gen
It didn't used to be this way. we didn't have to live with this slop for so long.

>>713955464
>impulse buy to line Bamco's pockets and then quit after three hours, bro

>>713957567
Crazy effects can work in a 2D game but fuck it just makes 3D games look incoherent.
Please god let Virtua Fighter 6 save us.

>>713957596
>It didn't used to be this way. we didn't have to live with this slop for so long.
That's just modern game dev. One team can't crank out a game in 2 years anymore. Even Arcsys, currently the only fighting game developer that actually has multiple games to support has really only been working on Tokon this entire time. Strive and Granblue support is pretty low effort but keeps the wheels turning.

>>713957893
I wish ArcSys had kept the Wheel of Fate turning...

>>713957973
well that's too bad huh you dubfag

>>713958001
>dubfag
...huh?

>>713958084
i donm't know if it's possible i fucking stuttered on the internet or accidentally turned into a jeet

>>713958292
What the FUCK are you going on about you idiot?
I have never in my life used a dub
"The Wheel of Fate is turning" is just what the announcer says before the round starts, it has literally nothing to do with selecting English voices.

>>713957973
Mori decided to go full retard. It’s okay that it ended

>>713957973
Liar, you want ArcSys kept being the company of the wheel of fate turning. Current one would disrespected your game like they did with Guilty Gear, probably harder because Mori left.

>>713958991
that's a joke because bbcf was right there
and is still there
but
>muh dubz
cartoon network bullshit smdh

>>713955592
>It is not hyperbole to say that Tekken 8 Season 2 is actually the worst update any fighting game has ever received
DBFZ's final patch

>tranny genre thread completely dead
guess all the "tranny genre" posts did their job

Andy is cooler than Terry
Andy has always been cooler than Terry
His girlfriend is hotter too

>>713960206
i genuinely applaud you for that
too many shemales who want to be poison but look more like eddie murphy's date that one night

>>713957567
The left looks absolutely terrible as well, I'll never understand how people can prefer spastic animations like that over SoulCalibur.

>>713957596
But don't you know? Now's the best time for fighting games! They're more popular than ever!

>>713960313
Andy is so fucking dreadfully boring they tried to just swap him with Akuma to get people to at least try him

>>713960976
Nice try Terry.
Get a real fucking job you goddamn bum.

Man, fuck sequels and fuck revivals
I want a new non tag fighter IP

>>713960621
I prefer soul cal (come to think of it idgaf a bout tekken at all) but holy shit dude lmao im not seein this spastic shit at all youre just a fan boy upset that people like tekken more youre seeing shit that isnt there

>>713959171
Mori already went full retard with Blazblue

>>713961037
Yeah... I don't know man
Have you SEEN the kind of new characters that devs come up with these days?
Which company would you even trust to create an entirely new cast of characters?

>>713959683
That is a very good contender, though at least offline DBFZ is fun even if they implemented the worst rollback I have ever seen

>>713961352
We can occasionally get good new characters

>>713961037
>Man, fuck sequels
I like sequels, but i hate seeing these devs scrap old assets from a fighting game with a few dozen character roster built up over a decade of updates, just to replace them with butt ugly ones to make a roster of a similar size when they launch the next game. If you cant make better models, dont make new models.

And to be honest more than a couple dozen characters in a non tag fighter feels like too many match ups to remember, and they tend to fuck up the ui css portaits and backgrounds over the course of these updates so... while i dont hate sequels or updates necessarily, they often disappoint me.
>and fuck revivals
If by revivals you mean belated sequels yeah a hundred percent. Once enough time has passed, the studio that made the game will have had a near complete lineup change and even if theyre the same people-- theyve changed so much their output may feel completely different anyway. It never hits right.

>>713961348
Blazblue is arcsys's best series. The best anime fighting game series even.

>>713961519
Pic unrelated?

>>713961519
Giovanna is a great design but her gameplay is just too simplistic, even for Strive.
That being said I think all the Strive newcomers are pretty good imo.

>>713961519
I hate how she looks when she's possessed by the dog or whatever but as a whole I agree, yes, she is cool and hot.

Start making clips of you doing crotch focused attacks on female characters pls

>>713961519
I like all the Strive newcomers

I'm beginning to think that BBfags are the HxHfags of /v/
Just shilling a known garbage franchise ironically and trying to bait people by telling them it gets better

>>713961884
You dont know the first thing about bb, you just dont like the character designs and wrote it off.

>>713961884
How is BlazBlue not good?

>>713961352
>Which company would you even trust to create an entirely new cast of characters?
The problem is that all of the “basic” designs are already well accounted for. People like Ryu, but they’re not gonna like your karate man by default because of that. On the other hand, making a cast of weirdos is really difficult. I understand why some people dislike BlazBlue’s aesthetics but it’s still very recognizably BlazBlue and every character is very unique, both mechanically and visually.
Then you look at UNI and while the game plays well and characters mechanically are different they all look the fucking same.

>>713961937
Something something guilty gear replacement something something setplay bullshit something something carl, mai and arakune something something no neutral

>>713961987
You could just choose one of the billion aesthetics that do exist and build upon that, like how every other bidya gaem franchise does?

>>713961676
BBCF was a great game. Shame Mori decided that afterwards BlazBlue needed to crossover with RWBY and then do a failed gacha

BBCF is OK but people purposely ignore all the other BB versions and BBTAG

>>713954337
Remember, that faggot MainManSWE put this as the "best Tekken ever", and put TTT2 as the worst ever.

>>713962108
Tekken is his livelihood. Harada could probably go to his house and fuck his wife and he would not stop shilling Tekken 8

>>713961967
>I understand why some people dislike BlazBlue’s aesthetics
Those people dont remember blazblues presentation at its peak (ct and cs)
>but it’s still very recognizably BlazBlue
I guess but cp and cf feel pretty different to me, blobby illustrations in cf in particular are bleh and the colors are all over the place, and the spin-off guests and newer sprites clash a bit
>and every character is very unique, both mechanically and visually.
This is true
>Then you look at UNI and while the game plays well and characters mechanically are different they all look the fucking same.
Huhhhh a few characters share school uniforms thats it

>>713962040
No, mori wanted to make a rwby game amd arcsys said sure then fucking renigged and made him make a cross over instead

>>713962074
>BBCF is OK but people purposely ignore all the other BB versions and BBTAG
True, i hate this fucking muh final update i ts automatically the best for reasons?¿??! additude that the fgc has

>>713962291
No I'm 90% sure that they DIDN'T want him to make a RWBY game since he's the only idiot at the company dumb enough to like RWBY so he then decided to make bbtag just so he could put RWBY characters in.

>>713962074
Call me when they add rollback to BBCP

>>713962291
>mori dindu nuffin!
pathetic

>>713961269
You say you can't tell how awkward all of those animations look? You don't see how their knees jitter each time they step or how their arms and heads follow the rest of their bodies unnaturally slow when they crouch? Punches look really odd, too. It's like they hit the air in front of their opponent. If you want a more direct comparison, then I'd say that unarmed combat in DoA looks much better than in Tekken or in VF.

>>713962778

likely because doa has a hit and stun system mechanic, where all stike hits put the character into a stagger or state of stun (more or less depending on the attack) some you can hold out of, some you can't and the more stun you apply, the higher or more launch you can take them (also a weight system per character)

so animations and system mechanics that make it feel and look like actual hits, rather than just raw launchers you can spam or fish for in tekken / vf

>>713962778
I dont see any jittering man either take your meds or if yoire on em, get off them.

Doa does absolutely look better than tekken or vf yeah

>>713962950
White pantsu...
Erotic...

>>713963013
I think you should get your eyes checked.

>>713962074
I don't ignore them but you aren't going to play them over parsec with me either so its just me and my bro

>>713962670
I think Mori was corporately pressured to keep a degree of success that he really wasn't capable once his main project was over.
Hoping he's free enough in his new studio to do his shit with less pressure so he can do it good again.

>>713962252
>Those people dont remember blazblues presentation at its peak (ct and cs)
People still thought they looked gay, the horrible early 2000s anime artstyle also aged like warm milk as if it was any good at the start
Not to mention how early spritework never got updated so the quality and style of the actual in game sprites are a mish mash when you put an early character next to a new one

>>713963340
nah bro this is tech please ignore how it makes the game look like shit

>>713963760
>Hoping he's free enough in his new studio to do his shit with less pressure so he can do it good again.
He isn't doing anything lol

2B is my favorite fighting game character.

>>713965651
Do you play her in SoulCalibur?

>>713965749
I sometimes play her in Granblue
How is she in Soul Calibur? I've heard she's pretty cancer there too.

>>713962158
Yeah, I know. I just wonder why retards listen to his opinions.

>>713966207
I watched him for a bit when I started to get into Tekken 7 a couple of years ago. Then one time while watching him stream, he kept acting like a passive aggressive little bitch and complaining about every single character he played against, including low tier ones.
I soon realized he is an insufferable faggot and now I wonder why or how people watch him.

anyone playing melty blood right now?
I'd like to play for a bit, lobby 5357

>>713966849
FFS, give me a second. I'm getting ready to go to sleep.

>>713965901
I think that a lot of SC6 players also think she's cancer, but I don't really share that opinion. I don't really play on high level. Maybe it's because of matchups with my own characters or my playstyle, but I think she's one of the characters I have the least trouble with. I win with 2Bs around my rank or slightly above quite often. Most 2B players don't go for mid horizontals often enough. If I make a correct read on a whiffed vertical, I can get a good punish on her as Cassandra or Sophitia. I can also go under high horizontals with Angel Step moves. A lot of her strings can be inserted into as well. She's kinda similar to Nightmare in that she hits hard but slow, she just has more mixup strings and ranged attacks while missing his armored moves. I like fighting against those characters desu. Siegfried players are usually much better at mixing me up and keeping up pressure because of how many stances and options to go between those stances he has.

>>713966919
That's interesting. I wasn't expecting such a detailed reply desu
Granblue players rightfully hate her because she plays by different rules. She doesn't have dash attacks, but she has a double jump, air stall, parry, absurd normals that she can cancel into each other even on whiff... It's pretty retarded, the tradeoff is absolutely in her favor.
Incidentally, how is the netcode in SC6? I know queuing normally will not get me any matches, but if I buy it now that it's on sale, and I find matches here or in Discord or whatever, is the netcode itself good?

>>713966849
I just woke up

>>713954847
Note how someone actually gave a good response and you refused to engage with it. We know what you are.

>>713967510
You are speaking with resident sc6 groomer you can ask him for games anytime :))

>>713967510
The netcode isn't very good. It's delay-based unlike Granblue. 3-5 frames of delay even inside the same region.

>>713968001
That's not even entirely true anymore because it's been too hot in here recently. Sitting inside my room with my PC turned on during the day is killing me. I can only play during mornings or evenings or when it's a bit colder after a stormy day. There's a 34C forecast for the next Thursday. Not that it matters too much, people aren't asking me for games anyway.

Alright, it's 5AM.
GGs
I can see why Satsuki is top tier. There's so many good normals to run away from.
I've also seemingly forgotten how to side-step halfway through the set.

>>713968791
Stay safe and remember to keep hydrated bro

>>713969462
bro ggs thanks for the games
I got a freaking arc finish thing that was so cool

>>713969501
satsuki actually has legit setups for AAD
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bxnJtMf-0mM
what a bullshit character

>>713953995 (OP)
anyone interested in trying street fighter zero 3 mix 0.31, its not officially supported on fightcade because of it using custom cps2 drivier but i have a fork provided by romhack developer,
it adds ton of changes to street fighter alpha 3 and
its kind of like a mix between vampire savior and kof games

it has chains, (lights to heavies and lights to mediums, no mediums to heavy though)
kof like run added to all chars,
kof like roll (performed by pressing forward lp lk)
kof like dodge (performed by pressing back lp lk)
just defend (window is like 2 frame, but gives you as much punish as a 3s parry)
no air blocking (but you can still jd in air)
super cancels that cost guard bar,
ton of other changes like team play, and being able to trade super for health in team mode but also has single char mode
https://sfz3mix.github.io/
link to fightcade emulator fork

Hi I'm Zero800 created from SFZ3mix, sf2mix, sf2prime

I don't know how i_arabe got SFZ3mix to work on FC2.
He doesn't usually get on Discord either.

But he made this build and gave it to me.
It worked sometimes online and sometimes not.

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/1daiz54RnXd0n-iFLuvk7clAk9nke2Yzr
it only has compiled executable and rom.
you should copy executable to fightcade fbneo directory and make a backup of executable already in the default fightcade fbneo directory, and use the fork temporarily,
after that you can use sfz3mix lobby on fightcade, or just pop in lobby i am there i will help you if you are interested.

>>713969905
what the fuck
nigga just load up upper A3

>>713970363
nahh,
sfz3mix has lot of other stuff too, c'mon man, just try it,
if you don't trust the fork you can also use the upstream final burn neo, the non fightcade one, it supports sfz3mix

>>713969485
Thanks. I'll try to survive until Autumn.

>>713961746
I think that's the best part about her kit, she's incredibly simple and yet she can be one of the strongest characters
She's perfectly designed to be played by newbies, the step dash makes it easy to get in, her kit is simple and even if you're not using meter you get a bonus, she lets people learn the game without using crutches

ggs. pretty embarassing that I keep failing to jump the 30f grab.
also don't forget you've got a good command grab with 624C. If someone sits patiently, you can mix it in your 2A pressure.

>>713973142
ggs yeah that grab is my killer weapon, I always default to using it since I'm still pretty shite at rebeats and remembering to use 214A or B
and yeah I totally forgot about the bloodsucking grab, I guess the input is a bit annoying to do so it just doesn't register in my head to use it
thanks for the games
>>713966849
lobby closed

>>713973294
open back the lobby

>>713961519
From a design standpoint every single Strive newcomer is great, which makes the number of mediocre redesigns stand out even more.

>>713971938
Which would be fine if Strive wasn’t already easy as fuck

>>713955124
They made very character’s neutral into Kazuya 50/50s and made every characters mechanics and damage output into T7 Geese, its next level dogshit

>>713974851
the designs are good but the balance around them is flat out fucking retarded

>>713975732
>still seething about Nago and HC

How do i play her?

>>713976095
You accept that she’s trash and pick a different character

>>713976095
Make her eat a salad first

>>713975810
I think Nago's actually well balanced in season 4, my only gripe is Clone still has zero counterplay apart from being fullscreen and jumping it, or getting a psychic read and doing a super that beats it.
He does some bullshit, but it's counterbalanced by basically losing the round if you overextend or if someone bursts at the right point in a combo.

HC is still stupid and will always be stupid since he's a better Zato. The only difference is now he does jackshit damage so you have to watch Deus Ex Machina 20 times per match.
His offense is suffocating and his defense is non-existent so it makes for very boring matches.

Goldlewis is the one that's absolutely fucking retarded, this motherfucker's single drawback is you can lose if you play bad.

Unika is also extremely stupid, she has Sin's retarded conversions into corner/wallbreak only without having to manage any resource.

>>713976095
Just follow this guide
https://youtu.be/aV7aNIgc0NU

tl:dw, play defensively, build heat level 2, use it for big damage. Btw dint forget to practice her 360B on block

>chuds want to ban this

>make a pixie character with tricky movement and mixups
>also give her high health and huge damage
why

>>713978984
Little girl strong and hit hard very funny

>>713978984
Funny, she used the be on the frailer side with low meterless damage output back in Accent Core.

>>713978984
>Gets a ToD literally every new update that has to be fixed immediately

I like her design and I even like her personality but her tricky dolphin bullshit that forces you to press a button or you'll get chipped to death only to blow up if you guess wrong made me dodge her for a time. Her crazy movement was the cherry on top for me.

>>713979490
S Dolphin could have twice as long of a startup and it literally would not matter

>want to buy a leverless controller
>all directional buttons are on the left side and not the right one like I play
Am I weird? Are there really no cheatboxes for left handed people

>>713981941
Just flip the controller around retard-kun

>>713981941
Allfightsticks guy can custom make a case for you I think

>>713982084
>flip around
>buttons now curve in different way I'm not used to
Wooow

>>713983383
just curve your hand backwards?

>>713955407
as someone up in the ranks in sf6 and floor 9 shitter in strive, i've legitimately had more frequent tense neutral moments in strive.
probably helps that basically no one used not-drive-rush aka WA.
i just wish the average player at this level didn't play on wifi with 100+ ping

>>713983907
WA is overhated in its current state, only a few characters really set up cancerous mixes with it, and if it's blocked then you've lost burst meaning you might eat extra shit next hit.
Drive rush is far more annoying.

anyone wanna play some strive?

>>713985180
...strive?
Mods you know what to do

>>713961884
You mean the best selling manga in all of Japan last batch? Nen Impact is the best thing coming out.

>>713985585
Japs often have shit taste.

>>713985585
HxH will sell a nenillion copies

>>713985862
does nen mean zero in this context

>>713986732
Why was the football player a drow?

>>713986846
I think it's just a body suit to make him look fucked up and evil. Pretty sure he's a blonde white dude underneath it.

>>713986846
He was trying out for Blood Bowl

>>713986732
Thank you guilewinquote really cool

>>713985585
O my rubber nen

>>713985180
Buy me the game and sure :-)

>>713953995 (OP)
Based ship anon

>>713990143
Still got low diffed by Chrollo

damon and baby gonna get rollback and crossplay confirmed

>>713993074
I hope literally everything in the arcsys direct gets canceled

>>713993425
sorry bro arcsys is more then just fighting game developer ok? preorder that switch 2 exclusive vn right now

>>713954249
Let's face the truth. It's not the zoomers, it's us. Fighting for each pixel of space like it's a fucking battle of Verdun is stressful af. Uncs just can't handle the heat anymore, so devs, seeing the telemetry, had to adjust.
Noone has the energy to fight through exhausting 7-3 matchups where you have to stick to your single slightly below average normal of hope for 70 seconds cause it happen to win the neuch against this particular opponent. 66L/slime rush -> pressure or FATAL COUNTER into 70% cashout is a bitter medicine for this plague.

>>713995173
They want to expand to make budget games that dont have overlapping appeal with their core audience, and move on from fighters. and they should be punished for it, its a betrayal.

>>713961037
I actually liked picrel.
I wasn't even bothered by servicing to the obvious target demographic, what with how cute and cartoony the designs and animations were.

>>713995307
>what with how cute and cartoony the designs and animations were.
Youre autistic, 27 years old and watched futurama as a kid

>>713995219
all uncs complain about new games being casual and having no nooch idk why you scapegoat us like that zoombro all the dixes and tekken 8 are made for your adhd brains zoombro

I think the Blazblue platformer having more players than Strive got them to realize how little fighting games can sell in comparison. But that makes me wonder, is Blazblue inherently more popular or liked than Guilty Gear? Would a new Guilty Gear spinoff do similar, better, or worse? Would a new Blazblue fighting game do better than Strive, even if they don't add wallbreaks or remove moves? I might say Blazblue has more appealing characters and design capabilities. I don't think I'd want them to do a new fighting game since I'm happy with where CF is at, these are just my thoughts on the matter.

>>713996240
blazblue should get an jrpg game like it always meant to be and just retell events of ct-cf with some varied endings

>>713996240
My 3 daughterwife onanhole slaves are so cute

>>713996240
Blazblue definitely has the mass market casual dubfag story-only people.

>>713996240
>Would a new Guilty Gear spinoff do similar, better, or worse?
It would do better if they made Bridget the main character

>>713996659
Unfortunately they fumbled the anime hard because they had no faith in it it couldve really blown up if it werent for the pacing and cheap sloppy visuals and bland direction. Or... perhaps fortunately, if the anime had succeeded this retarded company mayve stopped making games and said alright were doing anime now, as comapnies and this one in particular, have a strange habit of putting all their eggs in one basket and not understanding cause and correlation.

>>713996240
>Blazblue inherently more popular or liked than Guilty Gear
No, GGST is popular, just look at how many views Unika's gameplay/track got.
It still hits peaks of >10k players on updates/character releases
>Would a new Guilty Gear spinoff do similar, better, or worse?
Assuming that it has at least the same level of quality, it would do better solely because the franchise and the dev is more popular.
>Would a new Blazblue fighting game do better than Strive, even if they don't add wallbreaks or remove moves?
BB:Strive would probably be just as popular as GGST despite what BB fans want to believe.
Something like BBCF 2 wouldn't, anime fighters not that popular.
>I might say Blazblue has more appealing characters and design capabilities.
They're the same, for example just look at how Nagoriyuki is a reverse Hakumen.
Hakumen starts with zero special moves and builds up to the point where he can spam them, Nago starts the other way around and becomes progressively more limited.
Hell you could probably put Happy Chaos in Blazblue and he'd still be high tier.

>they should make a gg spin off itd be just as popular

>>713995281
Fightcade is free, +R/Xrd/bbcf are almost free yet i don't see thousands of uncs playing. 4 has like 200 players peak and most of them are japanese autists with weird ass characters that weren't brought back to newer installments (i do admit, that netcode is at least partly to blame here though).

>>713997912
>4
???

>>713997912
BBCF has more than most anime games including now. +R is quite active online and in tournaments too.

>>713998012
this is our war
street fighter four

>>713997403
>nagoriyuki is a reverse hakumen
Indeed, nago is black, hakumen is white

>>713997746
Judgment is fucking awesome popular or otherwise.

>>713996237
>>713997912

>>713998223
Yes, community exists and its relatively healthy, but it's still bathroom tier numbers. If uncs en masse were truly upset with current state of fighting games there would be more people playing old games, especially considering how most of these games have decent netcode these days.

>>713963340
tekken bros... does our game really look like this...

>>713999983
For games from that long ago those are really good numbers. You're forgetting current games all came out in the past few years and still get dlc.

>>713998371
What would the Susanoo to Nago's Hakumen be like?

Hey you, the one guy who plays arcana hearts 3, which version do I buy, the LOVEMAX SIXSTARS!!!!!! XTEND or the LOVE MAX!!!!!!

>>714003243
dont play with that guy hes an asshole
also the newer one of course dummy

>>714003243
The one with roll back and a bigger lobby

>>714003463
>neither have rollback
>both have 0 players

>>713960313
"girlfriend"

>>713978984
She's not a pixie by anime game standards

>>714004169
She was when she had restive rolling

>>714004768
one movement option doesn't make her a pixie character, especially in the game that already has a pixie character

>>714004914
She was close at least, she can move around a lot with it and how her jump is.

>>714005039
Her current dolphin cancels make her even more mobile
Still not a pixie

>>714003975
KoF Andy and Mai have absolutely fucked. She is his girlfriend.

>>714003601
>Zero
Give me the literal actual number, check steam rn get back to me with screenshots

>>714005912
Not him but Arcana Heart 3 LOVEMAX SIXSTARS!!!!!! XTEND currently has 14 players. The other one has 0.

>>714006149
There are 7 (seven, Siete, 일곱) Arcana Heart LOVEMAX SIXSTARS!!!!!! XTEND matches played at this moment on this planet. Wild if you think about it.

>>714007243
I'm sure half of them are in training mode

>>714006149
more than concord and dustborn

>>714007243
Purple is such a cutie.

i just want to mash and cool stuff happen why everyone treats fighting games like its their homework

>4f rollback
>fast character
find me something more carried than these niggers

>>713972993
Her game is cool. I'm surprised that Extra is an actual mode (NGCD bonus) rather than just a romhack.

>>714009103
Block my mix, nigga

>>714009103
>3f delay
>characters with gimmick tier comboable overheads

>>714009103
>fighting gamers suck off rollback netcode sees it as necessity in every game
>NOO YOU ARE TOO LAGGY AND ROLLBACK FRAMES MADE ME LOSE AHHH
why gamers are like this? rollback is literaly quake 3 tech and they didnt get any better netcode since then

>>714010638
because delay netcode is worse?

>>714010638
>fighting gamers suck off rollback netcode sees it as necessity in every game
>NOO YOU ARE TOO LAGGY AND ROLLBACK FRAMES MADE ME LOSE AHHH
those are not mutually exclusive
a ~150ms connection is annoying when it's 4 rollback frames, but it would be way worse in lockstep where it would be like 8 delay

>>714010638
invest in a lan cable and better internet

>>714010638
>Can walk to a place you want to go in 12 hours
>It takes 3 hours with a car
>Still think 3 hours is too much for what that place is
Hmmm

>>714011157
>food analogy

>>714003243
Xtend

Real talk: BB is a really weird game when it comes to improving. Is so damn easy to plateu and stay permashit, probably the only FG you get rewarded far more for learning which moves/okis you're losing to rather than labbing combos, not really demanding as long as simply sticking to a few combos that end with a knockdown (tough, i dont like how some character's combo lines are super linear), thank goodness BBIM adds Replay takeover to the game.
Im thinking i might take a break for a while, i really should only stick to 3/5FT instead to 10, doesnt help the dogshit Player room system tiring me out..
I might finally try to play +R instead as excuse

>>714012023
you just burned out after realising you dont have the gene
its over for you just accept you are green rank party masher for the rest of your life

>>714012661
Good thing BBCF allows party mashers to play, have fun and still win against good people with some of its characters
If I could go back in time and kick Mori in the nuts for designing some of them I would

>>714012023
Most games reward you more for labbing counterplay than combos. Combos are irrelevant if you get steamrolled by not knowing the option that beats something.

>>714012023
I'd really appreciate if simple text lobby system was brought back to CF, really. It's hilarious how fucking calamity trigger had better lobbies than CF and Strive

>>714012023
>doesnt help the dogshit Player room system tiring me out..
genuinely the biggest reason I have only 5 hours in BBCF, just let me sit in training room and wait for a match

>>713978984
>>714004169
>>714004768
>>714004914
>>714005039
>>714005285
What the FUCK is a "pixie character"?

>>714013375

>>714013375
Very mobile and mixup heavy, often low health and damage.

>>714013375
Mosquitos in summer

>>714013484
kek I imagined something like this, yeah

>>714013526
I see, thanks m8
So Chipp in older Guilty Gear games?

>>714013375
look at entire cast of kof15 for example

>>714013375
MAGNETO IS A PIXIE CHARACTER

>>714013594
>older
And Strive, he's still a pixie. Him, Seth in UNI, Jubei in BB etc

>>714013526
But that's Chipp and Milia.

Dolphin girl is a character who melts you in the corner. A non-ugly Honda. Xrd adds the dolphin setups.

>>714014063
Is Honda a pixie? He's more mobile than the average SF character

>>713981941
You can just buy a cheap leverless and make a custom case for it.

>>714013594
Chipp in old gg is probably the purest example of a pixie character. He still is though they nerfed a ton of his movement and mix in strive.

>>713981941
just cross your hands 5 head
build a custom, really. It's even easier these days

>>714014508
>they nerfed a ton of his movement and mix in strive.
His new rope is unironically more bullshit than teleports and his corner mix is still "Even the Chipp player doesn't know where he'll end up" tier, although I guess clone hold not being a thing does change things for mid screen

>>713955119

>>714014697
How does he use the rope? I haven’t watched any because if I do YouTube will start recommending me strive tournaments. I could imagine he might use it for jH crossups on oki like he uses j2K fdc jH in +R?

>>714015143
Based robot bro
Also that drawing is cute kek did you just make it?

>>714012661
>you dont have the gene
I know is just something people say but are we talking about Spergs with 0 normalfag skills but nerdy in other stuffs or "double digit iq" Autistic retards made out of microplastics?

>>714005654
Zero proofs of this.

>>714015484
I drew it a long time ago, I think for some "make a bad drawing" thread on /v/.

>>714015594
They have a special intro in which Mai shows Andy a fake baby and Andy freaks out.
WHY would he freak out unless he thought it was his? He wouldn't
They fuck

>>714015402
It's a great utility tool, it practically gives him a new lane or a second ground level.
He gets on and off it real fast and he can stay on top or bottom of the rope too.
So if he's on it, he's going to ignore all your low hitting moves and with his stupidly good pokes, it's kinda hard to contest him even ignoring his speed. Not THAT useful in neutral but still, it's something extra. It's mostly in pressure and combos where the listed things make it harder to fight him
In oki it does make high lows way harder to deal with, his corner crossups mostly come from alpha blade wall interactions sometimes not activating the second hit and letting you change sides instead of the rope.

>>714015625
Morrigan's expression is funny

>>714013526
Is May low damage?

>>714015893
Oh to add to this, Chipp can't actually collide with the enemy during a run on the rope for even easier access to his mix

>>714013678
Seth isn't low damage though.

>>714016151
That's more on UNI 2's combo system being extremely homogenized and stupid where everyone gets high damage combos off of everything. Chipp and Millia both had 50%+ combos in Xrd too, although that wasn't indicative of every single possible conversion they would get.
Sometimes not having access to shit makes the game way deeper

its crazy that fighting genre has been running since 1992 and we have like 4 good games to play

>>714015893
>>714016082
Interesting. Sounds more useful than I expected given some of the other new moves not being much. I feel like wallcling and teleports are still more useful overall especially with frc, but I’ll have to try it sometime.

>>714015402
He can climb onto it after putting it up or using Alpha Blade and he can wallclimb off of it if he reaches the corner
He can run either above or under it, but he can only attack when below

He can hop off of it at any moment, forwards or backwards, even as a cancel. And he can further alternate his trajectory coming off of it by going back above the rope.
From there he's able to hit you with his air options (jS/jH/j2k), which can lead into ambiguous crossups, and he still has access to another jump so he's further mixing you with high/lows.

He can also pop it on some counterhits and carry you into corner/wallbreak

>>714015893
>Not THAT useful in neutral but still, it's something extra.
You can use it to fuck off and bait people into doing something stupid.
It's not a good option but it's funny.

>>714016990
You should watch some pro sets, Chipp is crazy strong right now for a dozen different reasons and I think the rope is a very unique mechanic that made him way more interesting
Kinda makes you wish he would hang himself with it, fucking annoying sack of shit

>>714012887
>Combos are irrelevant if you get steamrolled by not knowing the option that beats something
yeah and that knowledge is also irrelevant if you can't convert shit, labbing combos is just as important (if not more so in anime games where oki tends to be goated)

>>714017389
Yeah but you can settle for simpler combos that you can execute easily and still go for the same oki afterwards with minimal labbing, you can't just say 'hmm I'll take the mix today' and survive
There's no alternative to one

>>714017323
damn nigga do you have some grudge against old chipp literally every single time you post about strive chipp you say the same thing

>>714017041
There's just something about SF2 man

>>714017690
I quite literally never made a post saying that before

>>714017756
yes you did brother you are always going on about how "the rope made strive chipp sooooo much more interesting" like you are out here to prove something

>>714017878
Anon have you ever thought that sometimes people can share opinions and say similar things

>>714012887
>Most games reward you more for labbing counterplay than combos. Combos are irrelevant if you get steamrolled by not knowing the option that beats something.
That's not true at all. Literally the most important thing in fighting games is to know how to convert hits and do damage because that's what directly translates into winning the bideo game.

>>714018107
Just don't play dookie games like anime fighters or CotW

>>714018191
and sf6 and tekken8

Is "unc" the newest niggerspeak term? It was "oldheads" just a while ago.

>>714017741
I really do think there is a beauty to its simplicity.

>>714018191
It applies for any flavor of SF too, or literally any fighting game that isn't Divekick

>>714018368
All sf6 combos are just DR into normal three times into special, you don't even need to lab those

>>714018387
More or less yeah

>>714018107
This is only "true" because modern fighting games are shit and they allow idiots to fraud out wins from better players.
In any fighting game made last decade, you could play a match against a relevant tournament player, restrict him to using literally only single hits or throws, he would still slap your shit.

>>714018397
For better or worse it has a lot of things you haven't really seen in fighting games since, and it's broken in insanely fun ways. ST Guile might be my favourite fighting game character to play ever

>>714017323
There’s quite a few things that makes me like him more in +R that I doubt tightrope could really fix for me even if it is cool. This is probably a more universal thing but his normals, like cS/6P/5K/2D, are worse and there seems to be more recovery and gaps in things like wallrun mix. Gamma blade letting you get hit is messed up. It’s only in +R but the strike invuln on leaf grab makes it more useful than the reaction check it is now. Overall the way his frcs work with his kit and the movement options he has feel more unique to me compared to what he has in Strive.

>In any fighting game made last decade, you could play a match against a relevant tournament player, restrict him to using literally only single hits or throws, he would still slap your shit.
even on an internet that is currently filled with abhorrent fighting game takes /v/ still manages to be dumber than the average

>>714018107
Simple combos>Neutral>Knowledge checks>Advanced combos. Even in Street Fighter.

>>714018641
I dunno man, I can pick Kevin in MotW and literally end the match in a single random lucky hit or do the same with Steve in Tekken 5

>>714018806
I GUARANTEE you that if you played Daigo in any game before Dix he would fucking destroy you like that.
The fact that you doubt it only proves you have never ever played against that level of players. You are no one.

>>714018991
i would wash fchamp in marvel if he was restricted to single hits dough

>>714018991
>Muh Daigo
Why are people posting like this when top 16s for modern games are always as stable as old ones
Seriously, people here keep saying games are random but people doing well are not only the same people but the said people are often people who did well in older titles too.

>NA Blazblue community in the process of banning Carl over winning one major even though Monarch has spent a long time destroying everyone with Es and Lambda
Odd.

>>714018991
I beat Snake Eyez in SF4 online one time I could totally take single-button Daigo

>>714019138
A random third worlder 14 year old recently beat Daigo at """Street Fighter""" 6 in a fucking tournament match.

>>714018991
I personally don't believe that would happen if anon was young and skilled at the game

See MVC3's current champion.

>>714019183
I hate Carl, I think he is broken and I think he requires no skill in any shape or form but at the same time, if you were gonna ban this fag why not do it over a decade ago? Who cares if you can still play him now?

>>714019183
I wouldn’t take it seriously, every big player not on that doc called it retarded. They got wiped by that Carl who I think has been playing longer them.

>>714019138
Diegos unhealthy lifestyle caught up to him, thats about it. Dude is not in shape.

>>714019036
>>714019340
OK fair, my statement definitely does not apply to Marvel games, I take that part back.
It absolutely applies to Street Fighter and Tekken.

>>714019290
Because Daigo wasn't competing for a long time and is coming back from retirement, he's not back in the loop. What the fuck's wrong with false equivalencies like this, when has MenaRD lost to randos? When has Punk? When has Fenrich? When has Knee or Arslan? You niggers are posing so fucking hard

>>714019183
its funny monarch watching play lambda and seeing how good his movement and defense is and then seeing him play grubble and he is just some random shitter using that bitch with bow playing like anyone else
modern games really just strip soul out of you

>>714019474
>look! these zoomie players are good at the zoomie style fighting games! that proves the game is well designed!
Yeah nah, fuck off.
>When has Knee or Arslan?
Didn't one of these two LITERALLY went on a serious Twitter rant about how retarded and random Tekken 8 is?

>>714019592
>Play different game
>It plays differently
If you were a KoF player who jumped to play SF you would also not play well and the game would look different.

>punk
>zoomie player
nigga what

>>714019739
only SF and tekken players have trouble adapting to other games though

>>714019790
Yes?
Where do you think Gen Z starts?

>>714019790
Stop biting low quality bait from secondaries gamewarring saying shit like Fenrich and GO1 haven't been competing for longer than most people ITT have been alive

>>714019882
idk 2000? regardless of where he falls i would not call the guy who dominated sfv and went toe to toe with tokido a zoomie player. at all

>>714017041
I really like CPS1's SFX. DPs sound more powerful than in CPS2.
Also https://youtu.be/NRqIIiVFu74?t=167
lol

>>714019968
Tokido is also a zoomer who only does well because Akuma is busted in SF6 bro....

>>714019929
Answer the question faggot, where do you think generation Z starts?

>>714019968
iDom was consistently better than him
Punk is just an obnoxious faggot with an ego 10 times bigger than his actual skill.

>>714019138
My problem isn’t them being random or even that they’re easy, but they’re way more boring to play or watch. SFV was at least funny to watch. SF6 it’s just boring. Same with Strive.

>>714020128
>iDom was consistently better than him
Yeah uhhhh
Not sure how to tell you but iDom is also still competing and doing well

>>714019929
Is fenrich even active these days? I thought dude retired like 7 years ago.

>>714020213
iDom hates SF6, and for good reason.
I don't watch tournaments for this shit, HAS he been winning anything?

>>714020247
He was active in DBFZ for a long time and now he's competing in all CotW majors, yeah.

>>714020001
god I hated the chipmunk voices

>>714020393
He's placing extremely well for someone who plays a bottom 5 character

>>714020393
Yes? What the fuck are you secondaries even smoking if you're posting like this? Holy fuck
He won a big major this year and last year, he also had 2 major second places and a third place
Not only that but he was competing in Strive on the major he won too and got 4th there despite that being a game he just plays for fun and isn't his main game

>People are still biting all the same baits
You guys can't block these whack ass mixups...

>>714020480
>raped by xiaohai
kek

>>714020732
Why the FUCK would I watch tournaments for a game I fucking hate, you retard?
I found out about that 14 year old beating Daigo thing because it was everywhere that day. That was the original point of this conversation btw, you tried to divert attention away from it but that is literally the whole point of this.
Street Fighter 6 is a random as shit, trash game.

How much stronger is Carl than Izanami or Rachel?

>>714020898
I mean, SNKGAWDS run the FGC

>>714019183
And these people think they’re better than Strivers

>>714021035
>That was the original point of this conversation btw
Lol r*dditor can't even follow a simple reply chain and cries when he gets proven wrong

>play a zoner
>run up grab
how's this for a mixup

>>714021195
Sounds like you are the one who can't follow reply chains. Stupid cunt.

>>714019592
this is why no one likes bbtards

>>714021215
this is now expected though llike guile or dhalsim or dizzy or asuka will run at you behind their fireballs and particles

>>714021035
>>714021195
>le secondary
>le reddit
oh yeah, he's mad

>>714021035
nobody here was defending sf6 you dumb coon i just said your assertion that "in the hecking old games you'd get washed by a one button warrior" was retarded

>>714021215
Grapplers tend to grapple less than non grapplers

>>714020001
The changes to Guile are really odd, I'm guessing they lost some of the original audio files and just got the announcer to fill in the gaps?

>>714020128
iDom is a complete fraud outside of SFV

>>714021418
You are fucking stupid so I will point you to the post where someone was doing quite exactly that, and is part of the same reply chain.
This post >>714019474 in response to >>714019290
Don't even bother replying with an explanation of how "t-that's not actually DEFENDING SF6..." because this is the last (You) you are getting from me, I already wasted enough time on you retard.

>>714021762
that was literally not what he was saying bro

Tekken 8 is shit

>>714019183
lol that faggot who posted that was just seething about Tokon

>>714021762
Hey uuuhhh
You can see that post was also a reply to something else anon
Like those were not the starting points of the conversation
You know, you see it the same way you saw that reply? How did you miss those posts?

>>714021762
It's impressive that the current generation of r/kappa fighting game secondaries like yourself are somehow even worse than the ones in the Marvel/Jive era.

>THIS is where the conversation started
>Not even the second post in the chain

>>714021918
Can it be fixed by tweaking numbers?

mai...

>anon has a complete meltdown over sf6
Sf6 and Strive truly are the games that keep on giving
Idom was a carried faggot in sfv btw

>>714022237
Yes
Tweaking Murray's life points IRL to 0

>>714022237
make everyting tracking and +8 on block

>>714022237
No

>>714022237
Maybe

>>714022292
Yes, dixers do go rabid whenever someone criticizes that shitty game.
If the game is so great you would think they could just... brush off comments about it and go on with their day.

16ers keep melting down in these threads

>>714022507
there is still nobody in here defending sf6 brother

>>714022237
No the only way Tekken can be good is if the dev team is completely culled(including the people they got from DoA and Soul Calibur)Harada, Murray and Nakaysu never are allowed to be in charge again, and the game isn't managed by bandai namco who were also responsible for the dbfz going to complete shit from labcoat and onwards.

>>714022324
kek

>>714019739
Xiaohai was able to do it for SF6

>>714022829
Xiaohai is not a mere human bean

>>714022507
You sad, mindbroken man.

>>714022359
Namco hired this man.

>>714022324
>>714022369
>>714022506
>>714022678
When is the next patch coming out anyway?
I wish I could know if they are at least trying to reel back the aggression a bit before the Steam sale ends.

>>714021750
I doubt that. They were reused in HSF2.

this would never happen to me in sf4

>>714023057
There's a Tekken talk on 2nd of July, they'll probably tell us the details
I still can't believe they decided Fahk was a good addition to Tekken 8, might as well hang swastikas on synagogues

>>714024206
Oh cool, I'll hold off for now until I see that at least.
So far Heihachi has been the only non disappointing DLC addition, but then again, the fact that he is DLC in the first place is very disappointing.

>>714024050
try this on my rolento

>>714024603
i dont play mirrors bruh just take the points
*hits dashboard*

>>714023057
>reel back the aggression a bit
Anon they will never reel it back in a way that matters. They made heat and all these new stupid moves both in s1 and s2 because they hated watching pro players play 7 a certain way since they fucked the movement and sidesteps in that game, so now they're making everyone casual, intermediate and expert level suffer except people who started with 8 as their 1st game.

>>714024603
>>714024680
I refuse to believe I share this board with people who actually play Rolento

>>714024603
That character is so easy to use and broken in 4

>>714024695
It’s so petty to change a game that sold 10 million copies like this because of pros. Harada is such a faggot

>>714024695
>refusing to fix a product despite knowing exactly what the majority of people dislike about it
That's... petty and retarded as shit but not unheard of I guess. Sad.

>>714025185
Kinu is so fucking good at drawing group pictures, holy shit.
I think other artists are better at drawing bodies but her faces are always perfect too.

>>714025429
I can fix Q-Bee and Bulleta

>>714025546

Which Q-Bee?

>>714025604
Whichever I'll come up to. All of them if I have to.

>>713954249
>Get your shit pushed in
>WOOOW ALL THE OTHER GUY DID WAS PUSH BUTTONS AND I LOST BRO WHERE'S THE NEUTRAL NO BACK AND FORTH THIS IS BULLSHIT I LOST BECAUSE NO NEUTRAL

Skill issue lmao

>>714025546
>getting anywhere near Q-Bee
Anon has a death wish and maybe a vore fetish...

>>714021750
They probably wanted a new set of voices to show off the new CPS2 sound hardware, but IIRC the guy who did a lot of the CPS1 era SF2 voices was no longer available. And this was back when they were still just grabbing whoever was convenient to do voices rather than hiring professional VAs.

Has there been any official word from the Saudi's about CotW having so little numbers? Or do they just pretend like it never happened.

>>714026125
No but some insider laughed at the numbers the Saudis wanted though

>>714026125
saudis raised they eyebrows at snk and snk higher ups turned into pink basedjacks losing their ceo and management positions

I've had more fun playing Tekken 5:DR, TTT2 and the Capcom fighting collections more than I have any of the current fighting titles. Fuck, it's depressing.

>>714026479
Fighting games used to be something pretty great, yes.
Some of the current ones are still palatable but some series already crossed the line into fucking unplayable.

>>714026479
Was it fun because you were playing beginners while being a beginner yourself?

>>714026787
Nope, been playing them for years. Got the collections for ease of access. They're just better.

>>714026479
mainman said tekken 5 and tag 2 are bad games doe

>>714027174
Mainman eats corn the long way.

I wonder if they're still making that Samurai Shodown action RPG thing. Hope so.

>>714027115
They’re not actually.

List of fun fighting games you can play:
1)Blayzbloo
2)
3)

>>714027330
Except they are, otherwise I would be playing the newer titles instead.

>>714027313
Probably. Isn't the new Art of Fighting supposed to be some kind of an (action) RPG as well.

>>714027313
I hope the RPG has playable Iroha

>>714027692
they should add dating sim elements to it

>>714027494
okay that’s just your opinion man. Old games are pretty fucked up and I can only play against Yun and Chun so many times before I want to blow my brains out

>>714027692
>>714027313
Do we have faith that SNK has the ability to make a good RPG and not just barebones bullshit with SNK character set dressing as the only selling point?

>KOF98:UM
>KOF2002:UM
>KOF XIII
>GGXX AC+R
>TTT2
>MK9
>MKX
Only fighters I've managed to get any sort of lasting enjoyment out of since 2008. Three of them are updated re-releases. Two of them are fucking MK games. Christ almighty.

>>714027692

Could we not? I can't stand her.

>>714027913

Wasn't the old RPG on PS1/Saturn good?

>>714027869
SNK should just make dating sims imo

>>714027973
>I can't stand her.
Shut the FUCK up Boco

>>714028030
or eroge

>>714028106
>>714028071
>>714027692
shota hunter

I would play BB if the designs weren't so bad

>>714021165
Modern blazblue playerbase is basically the same as strive both on off this site. People under the age of 25 who are very unfunny, very stupid but not Tekken community stupid, and very mentally touched. Only difference is strive community is like 10 times bigger and blazblue has more people seething since arcsys stopped giving a fuck about making games for them since xrd.

>>714028272
>Modern
:^)

>>714028071

Yeah yeah...

>>714019183
I was talking with one of the guys who was asked to sign this thing and he told me he thought it was a joke petition.

>>714028272
>mentally ill zoomers act like mentally ill zoomers no matter the place or fandom
wow no wey

>>714028623
The dude who posted it crashed out once he realized everyone was making fun of him.
The only ones defending him are the usually Strive seethers on Xitter, it’s great.

Alright, shill me on these characters and tell me about their basic level execution too please
I'm thinking about Hibiki, Bullet and Hakumen at the moment

>>714029420
>hibiki
0 reasons to play him
>bullet
0 reasons to play her unless you goon to tomboys
>hakumen
you play him if you like parries and being slow as fuck in an anime game where everyone iad's and zooms around at the speed of sound

>>714029684
>stopping literal zoomers right on their tracks with a well timed parry
Not that guy but that sounds cool as fuck.

>>714029684
>Guy who can't even say fap is a tierwhore

>>714029420
At certain point all hakumen matchups are 5-5, cause everything settles in two coinflips on whether or not you guess correctly with OD into ToD combo. Otherwise he is not very intense on execution, but you'll have to really keep track on your meter and it's somewhat tricky to extract value from hits with low meter combos.

>>714029756
Those characters are always fun, like Enkidu in UNI and Anji in +R and Strive.

>>714029420
>Hibiki
Pretty basic rushdown character, he has a really good j.C that works as a neutral tool, a jump in button and a cross up. He's got shadow clones which are neat but not really good and an izuna drop command grab in the air that he can use to catch opponents emergency teching into a reset.
>Bullet
Mash 2B in neutral and rob games or die trying. She does a shit ton of damage on the proper hits but struggles in neutral against a lot of the cast thanks to her step dash's inability to be canceled into barrier like every other step dash. If you play her, you need to learn double snap routes or your damage isn't worth it.
>Hakumen
Very slow character but has strong neutral and passive meter gain which forces the opponent to come to him. He's got an extremely low damage floor but an extremely high damage ceiling. Parries also make him a threat defensively and with meter he can cancel his normal parry into his super parry to cash out on those reads. He also gets to cut projectiles with his sword attack which is useful in certain MUs.

>>714030308
No character is fun in Strive. It’s genuinely the worst fighting game ever made

>>714029420
>Hibiki
Easy to pick up and play rushdown character with mix-ups due to shadow clone and an izuna drop
>Bullet
Easy to pick up and play rushdown/grappler character that uses a level up system to improve her combo/damage potential
>Hakumen
Straightforward slow and methodical character built around long range pokes and counters/parries. Gets massive damage from chaining his specials though his heat is required to do so (generally charges automatically).

>>714030831
>Talk about fun character archetypes
>Dude comes out of the woodworks to try to game-war
Can you just not

>>714030912
Striver

>>714030912
Striver

>>714030980
>>714031064
What game do you like?

>>714031108
Strive

>>714031237
Based

>>714030831
I know it's VERY difficult to communicate without hyperbole but please shut the fuck up.
Strive is not even the worst modern fighting game.

>>714031108
Strive

>>714031397
>>714031280

>>714031108
Strive and Granblue

The only bad and truly terrible modern fighters are Tekken 8 and dnf duel.
Happy chaos/Potemkin , JP/Ryu and Vlov player btw.

>>714031461
Holy based.

>>714031461
Bringe

>>714031461
>grubble
eww!!!

>>714031374
Anon the people who hate Strive so much their eyes bleed are the same people who would sign a petition to ban Carl.
There are plenty of legitimate reasons to dislike Strive but its most dedicated haters are genuinely the most retarded people on the planet. And when you call them out on their braindead arguments they immediately default to seething about Bridget because that’s all they actually care about.

>>714031719
>Happy chaos/Potemkin
i'm baffled to learn that new forms of cancer can still be discovered

Prohibido jugar con Carl

i met like 3 carl players durning my 500 hours of blazblueing in netplay
not my problem tourneyfags can go to hell

>>714032016
I think Carl players deserve it considering how braindead and annoying the character was. His design, both gameplay and visually is also so shit he can't get anyone to play him. But it's too late and Rachel is even stronger soo who cares

i think it's ironic that i've watched BBfags circlejerk around their game for the past decade and how nothing else can compete with the PEAK of anime games but it turns out that even at the highest level of play, they're just stupid little bitches who don't have actual neutral or fundamentals so they're calling to ban a character nobody plays. If you're going to ban Carl why the FUCK aren't you also gonna ban Rachel or any of the other absolutely fucked up top tiers?

>>714031840
I don't hate strive, the worst thing it ever did to me was bring "western artists" to the guilty gear section on pixiv, but I do think it's dogwater and haven't bothered to launch it in almost a year.
>>714032464
Three people said that, you might be a little too mindbroken.

>>714032330
It is very funny how Mori managed to create a fighting game character that caters to nobody.
>Supposed to be a technical character with a technical kit
>Is as complex as playing Simon Says with a 4 y/o with how many of his moves cover everything, although he has some executional complexity
>Is supposed to cater to puppet players, which is a very niche archetype
>Doesn't even have any real puppet gameplay as his puppet is always there, can't be realistically killed and not even positioned as she does all that herself
>For a long period of time in BB's history he had bullshit like killing you off of a fucking air block and similar things, reducing interest in the competitive side
>Really boring color scheme and very ugly outfit with those shorts on a shota in a fighting game where people like playing manly men or big booby chicks
>Personality is being a doormat in most cases and can't even get his main antagonist after years of story content
I guess the design of his sister was good but it's really impressive how unlikeable he is. You can't make a character more dislikeable if you concocted him in a lab.

>>714033262
>can't even get his main antagonist after years of story content
To be fair Relius is the main antagonist of around 5 different storylines so its not exclusively a Carl problem

>>714033262
If he was a loli he’d be perfect. I wish Relius had two daughters.

What do we think of the original Killer Instinct cast? People always go on about how much character and personality they had but I don't really get it for the most part.

Cinder is just a Human Torch ripoff, Thunder is just your Native American shaman you've seen a million times, TJ Combo is the standard period Mike Tyson expy and I guess Glacius is sort of cool but he leans way too hard into the T-1000 thing.

>>714033717

Its one of my fave rosters.

>>714033717
One of the reasons why KI never took off is the boring roster

>>714033717
I think the 2013 game easily improved all of them. Designs and stories.

>>714032602
>Three people said that, you might be a little too mindbroken.
A lot of new Bloobers are defending it while the FGC at large laughs at them.
So business as usually for BBfags

>>714033717
Most of these designs were basically saved by the reboot, but Fulgore stands out as awesome even back then despite mostly just being a Predator and Orchid is pretty distinct as a female lead. Spinal also rules but it's hard to make "Skeleton with Sword & Shield" dull.

>>714029420
>bullet
is on the weaker side due to her neutral game however she has access to some easy plus frames with her drive buttons and absolutely shits damage. her grab super is the ultimate match steal and she's not hard regarding execution
shes also giga hot
>hibiki
all rounder with solid neutral, mixup and defense. his moveset already has built-in bullshit like crossups, standing overheads, plus frames, grab resets and anti-zoning tools. easy execution as well
>hakumen
unique in the way he actively benefits from blocking since his meter builds up passively (but is spent with every special rather than only with supers like the rest of the cast). he has access to quick parries and retarded damage with resources but his execution is rather hard since he has some links mixed with his chains and you sometimes need to adapt to your current resources midcombo

>>714034249
Most of it was Blazblue players making fun of it. Strive sisters tried to ban Happy Chaos and took it way more seriously.

>>714034298
Nyeheheheheheheheh

>>714033262
>Personality is being a doormat in most cases
This is really what does it for me. *No one* wants to play a pathetic faggot, especially for a male character.
Carl should have been a smug little prick personality wise. I genuinely think people would like him more.

I miss SF4

>>714034669
>Carl should have been a smug little prick personality wise. I genuinely think people would like him more.
that was supposed to happen at the end of CF when he gets the relius autism vision in his right eye

>>714033717
Good mix of cool dudes and weird monsters imo

>>714034386
Not to be that guy, but during cp era people were discussing kokonoe ban.

>>714033262
I think he looks cool, he has that ventriloquist motif I've always liked. His doll and buttons are cool as well and the purple-gold color scheme is a tried and true combo
No, I don't play him but he's far from a bad design especially when that faggot bang exists in the same game

>>714035181
I meant Carl

>>714035368
My point is that blazblue had similar episode to happy chaos hysteria. Arcsys balance is a meme in general, i'd say.

>>714035506
Yeah but nobody actually wants to ban Carl other than one guy and a few who signed his petition

>>714033262
I think he stands out visually because hes a little shota dude there arent any others in the cast. I think his fit evokes a ventriloquist so it makes sense, its alright even though im not crazy about the top hat and shorts. I like his color scheme because its more appropriate for old school bb, the neon and pastel shit in cp and cf annoy me. I like that hes kind of insane and completely devoted to this seemingly hopeless quest of figuring out how to save his sister and possibly kill his father (im not caught up on the lore im still playing through the story i have to play cf still)

I like carl, im not a super fan but i dont want to see him get banned

>>714035506
>Arcsys balance is a meme in general, i'd say.
Could you elaborate?

>>714034669
bbct and parts of cs make it clear that carl is essentially repressing being a sociopath under a deliberate attempt to be a overly polite bitchboy, either because watching his sociopath dad butcher his family/inheriting his sociopath genes ruined him or using nirvana is making him evil

but then blazblue runs into the same problem as every other fighting game story mode where 90% of the roster are completely irrelevent to the story mode because the time loop ends so they can't have every storyline be true, only ragnas so carl just exists in a simplified state. its similar to noel and tsukbaki

>>714035181
bbcp 1.0 kokonoe could 100% you from block at round start. no blazblue character has ever been on her exact layer of bullshit

>>714029420
>hibiki
you'd think he's a mixup machine but all his builtin mixup tools are fake as fuck and you're actually playing mostly honest stagger pressure. his only real mix is resetting into izuna drop RC and some j2D oki stuff.
his damage outside of corner (in corner too but day1 bnb with extension of 214C still ends up doing 3k iirc) is gated behind confirming whether they're standing (6C routing) or crouching (6B routing).

Nothing will ever beat when Strivefags tried to ban Ram colors

>>714034386
uh huh

>>714036862
What's wrong with this color?

>>714036963
she's f*cking wh*te that's NOT ok

>>714035713
Plenty of people are supporting it who didn’t sign it

>>714036058
>but then blazblue runs into the same problem as every other fighting game story mode where 90% of the roster are completely irrelevent to the story mode because the time loop ends so they can't have every storyline be true, only ragnas so carl just exists in a simplified state. its similar to noel and tsukbaki
Story mode is ultimately irrelevant to every character. What actually conveys personality in a fighting game is animation and in game dialogue. Carl can have whatever lore or personality they want to give him but it doesn’t change the fact that he’ll always come off as a faggot in game.

>>714034298
>Orchid is pretty distinct as a female lead
Orchid is peak 90s comic book schlock. Too bad the reboot switched her to modern tacticool crap.

>>714036963
They value twitter brownie points over common sense and hate white characters

>>714037194
Oh hey, I remember that redhead
She had very, very long legs.

If you think about it, Carl was just proto-Nier except somehow even more boring

>>714036862
But they never did

>>713955124
Game is bad but playable until a better fighting game gets released. Maybe we will have a new soul calibur at some point

>>714037515
Had more supporters at the top level than the Carl ban

>>714037581
No it didn't

You know what needs a ban?
Ribcage

>>714033717
Glacius is fucking great but he's a case of damned if you do, damned if you don't. If you play up the snowman angle you run the risk of just being called a Sub-Zero knockoff but then if you try the transformative liquid thing, as you say, you're just seen as taking off the T-1000.

>>714035993
Criminally oppressive toptiers throughout the history (Zato, Baiken, Zappa, Bride, Johnny, Happy Chaos, Rachel, Nu, Kokonoe, Nine, Izanami, Rachel), questionable matchups (tager struggling with zoners, chipp getting dizzied in one hit, sin destroying potemkin,, basically any justice matchup), wonky characters like Arakune and Carl, overtuning relatively honest characters just to dump them into the ground (Makoto). P4A and DBFZ had their moments too, but i didn't follow them so won't say anything. Arcsys always made anime kuso, it's fun to play, its hype, but balance is an afterthought with their games.

>>714034678
I miss Hakan & Poison (V Poison sucks).

>>714036862
Looks really cool and pretty. Probably the ideal ram color for me.

>>714037859
I think it's also important to point out that their balance decisions aren't based on character strength but how they want a character to play which can lead to top tiers getting buffs and low tiers getting nerfed in order to promote the playstyle they want to see.

>>714037335
Nier is based because she’s a cute psycho

>>714035993
Not even touching to giving slaps on the wrist at best to top tiers to actively keeping some characters low tier knowing they might not even be viable while giving them occasional nerfs

>>714037859
Except Grubble which had 16 unique characters in top 16 at CEO (please ignore year 1 Nier)

>>714038082
Post that tweet about laughing mori and kokonoe doing 8000 damage.

>>714037824
Freezing enemies was never part of his kit. Closest he gets is grabbing you with his big doofy hands. The funny thing is he does copy another character in the reboot, but it's Iceman from Marvel vs Capcom where they both create projectiles from overhead.

>>714037859
Speaking of Zappa, why does nobody play him?

>>714038424

>>714038464
Too zesty

>>714038082
That’s why it’s good though. Balance is overrated

>>714038464
+R is a hard game and Zappa is the hardest character

>>714038464
he's weird and inconsistent
if you just want to play a top tier you pick Test, Zappa is just as good but while he's not really a particularly "difficult" character for +r he's definitely way more weird and you can't really just pick him up and play normal GG with him.

>>714038667
>+R is a hard game
lol, lmao

>>714038667
>>714038749
Yeah, Testament is easier than he looks by a longshot.

>>714038464
Back in my day there were plenty of zappas of all levels. On lower level you had people rushing
raou, on higher levels you had literal monsters dogjuggling and making you want to commit sudoku with disjointed blade. It seems time just culled the population of zappa mains.

>>714038562
Thanks.

>>714039112
>Back in my day there were plenty of zappas of all levels
Lol no

>>714038464
you only see the same five characters nowadays

>>714039286
aight, im stretching plenty quite a bit here, but really, people were playing zappa back in the day.

>>714039337
I see a lot of them but strangely every big zappa player stopped playing in the past few years, and no other character noticeably did this.

>>714039474
is kbnova still playing +r?
I see him in xrd pretty often

Going training mode autism in this game reminds me of when it was actually at my local arcade and there was this weird SNK head who would constantly gripe and whine. Once he was complaining about Kyo not having his 63214K strike grab anymore (understandable in and of itself) and I tried to placate him saying it could come in handy, because it let Kyo easily buffer hcb x1 into 5D for more reliable confirms into hcb x2 for leader super. But I could barely get through a sentence without him complaining louder. This was a long time ago, but iirc this guy was trying to rein me in to be part of the scene as sort of a mentor specifically for SNK games, only I was already better at this and NGBC than he was, and sometimes he'd pretend to cry unless you let him win. Sometimes I wonder how that guy's doing. Might sound kinda sad but I'm still grateful he gave me somebody to actually play and be enthusiastic about SNK games about with in-person, which is hard to come by, and especially was back then, pre-Discord. There was also a guy who was in the 3S local scene who played Maximum Impact with me, who basically faked being friends with me to get to play it at my house, only for him to get 1 win (it took a long time), declare himself better than me in general and leave. Fighting game heads are weird, man. I was essentially gatekept back when but I'm not even sure I mind anymore. Especially watching these CEO highlights that are a straightup top player circle jerk where Jebailey is apparently in leagues with DDR Storm now, which is run by a guy who used to like taking discreet upskirts of high school girls at his events to send around to his friends, one of whom ran the aforementioned arcade that had KoFXI and I'm PRETTY sure sex trafficked out of the break room. I think it was a recruitment type thing for the chicks. Anywho. I like fighting games. Thanks for coming to my TED talk.

>>714039778
I haven't seen him in tournaments, or quick match if he uses that name in it

>>714039474
>and no other character noticeably did this.
im betting on alcoholism

wow that's a lot of words

>>714039953
That went from 0 to 100. Thank you for posting.

>>714038771
It is. You autists playing it can pretend it isn’t but most people think it’s hard

>>714039953
10/10 I'm disgusted!

>>714039953
>lower rung of fgc is full of autistic weirdos and upper clique is full of moguls
somehow absolutely not surprised

Outside of actually being good at the games, how do you become known in the FGC? Just be a hypeman/unapologetic shill like Max? Talk about art and design like Baberuthless? Be a horrorcow like some of those post-Strive Bridget people?

>>714040773
>how do you become known in the FGC?
why would you want to do that to yourself?

>>714040773
How about trying to actually help the community and being nice anon, like helping TO's, filling in for the comms, actually playing the games in the meantime, creating art and such for the games when not?
Not everything has to be done with ill intent

>>714039953
I always see people saying SNK fans are total coombrains. What can this be attributed to

>>714039953
this reads like a clayton post with the delusional thoughts about people conspiring against him

>>714037581
What do you get out of making shit up like when there are so many actual, real things that happened you can use to insult strive players?

>>714040892
I need Galleon to do that thing where she straddles you with her thighs, except actually break my neck instead of just spinning me around.

>>714041018
Umisho retweeted it in support

>>714041116
damn strive players are gay

>>714040773
Realistically - have a job in adjacent industry and use it to help the community. Usually work somewhere publisher adjacent and work on events.
Be active, participate, connect to people, help to promote have incriminating evidence on higher ups.

>>714041116
>one faggot that literally everyone hates
wow. Again bunch of stuff to shit on strive for. No need to lie about shit that didn't happen like top players trying to ban a color. Actually I've followed strive's bullshit since the beginning show me this so called call for a ban of colors by top players.

>>714040185
thanks I just pounded two twisted teas. I want to talk about KoF longcuts now. I come from ST so the idea of having to trick input systems with weird buffers is actually cool to me, which kinda sucks because it's the exact kind of thing this genre is moving away from, because nobody wants to "have to" learn it. I only just recently learned you can store directional inputs with a hold after inputting a motion, so you can do things like Iori buffer 236 into 5C but hold 6C first before returning to neutral for 5C, then perform 63214 P to get full ranbu input. I'm still fiddling with stuff since Iori 6A isn't special cancelable in XI, only super, so I'm trying to practice better confirms with that. I wish I had a relevant clip, but the only combo I have that features the Iori longcut is a lame reset that doesn't even kill.

>>714040905
Latinos. Why else do you think most porno mods are from South America?

>>714040292
LMAOOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>714040905
I wouldn't put it past the guy but it never came up desu, it's probably because the games are kinda hard/unbalanced so people just goon to the hot girls that are in them

>>714040927
not sure I see it but I don't mind the comparison so w/e. anyway we're past bump limit. new thread or calling it for the weekend?

>>714040292
You’re right and he’s mindbroken

>>714041116
>Umisho
If you had said literally anyone else aside from Leffen you'd have a point but everyone hates that troon

>>714041581
I accept your concession

Name THREE (3) games harder than +R

Did people finally wise up and start ignoring Yohosie?

>>714043206
Jackie Chan
Jackie Chan
Jackie Chan

>>714043206
Fate/Unlimited Codes
KoF13
Fortnite