Thread 713992604

What Warhammer game(s) should someone who wants to get into the Universe start with? I'm into mostly any gente, not a huge fan of turn based stuff but it's not a deal breaker either

>>713992604 (OP)
dawn of war (rts), space marine (the game, action game like gears of war), battlefleet: gothic armada (spaceship tactical game), Mechanicus (turn based like xcom, its good tho), Boltgun (doom/quake like retro boomer shooter)

>>713992604 (OP)
Vemintide is a great intro to fantasy but I assume you mean 40k. The Relic RTS games are nice. Dark crusade I loved alot and can really give you a perspective on the factions. Darktide isnt that great. You could place space marine 2 I suppose. After that its getting more specific on facitons really and ya alot of turn based. Rogue trader and mechanicus are both good. And warhammer total war is fun as well. Just buy 3 and pirate all the billions of DLC for it.

if you want to get into the universe and factions, 100% start with Dawn of war, everything else either wanks Spess muhreens (even worse when those are ultrasmurfs) or don't go into the overall lore of the universe, and either assume that you know the lore, or is centered about the lore of a specific part about the games theme.

Yes obviously a space marine is going to do her makeup, thank you OP for posting retarded whore photoshops

Rowboat Girlyman looks like THAT?

>>713993861
>HER
umm, no pussy-havers allowed (emperor's children might be an exception)

This is clearly heresy of the highest order

Why you keep posting troons like that

>>713992604 (OP)
what's that drukhari doing in space marine power armor?

>>713993390
>space marine
Should I get the first one or go straight for the second

Space Hulk.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FAMv5gN7u94

>>713994354
that's Robutes Eldar GF (HERESY OF THE HIGHEST ORDER!!!) borrowing his suit. (Clearly Aeldari)

>>713994442
first one is BASED, second one is about the same but "modernised" and have you play as "Primaris" cancer. its a ok game, but FUCK PRIMARIS.

>>713994790
What is primaris and why is it bad

keep in mind, wikis and fucking tiktoks and shorts are not enough to get da full story
games and books are the way, the games are basically in the category of "fun but nothing special and there are better alternatives from this genera" but fans love them because you get to play as your favorite faction's units and characters

>>713995091
the games workshop made larger versions of space marines out of greed, while fucking with the lore so they get to sell more Spehs Muhreens, while other armies are barely renewed or have something new added. you might notice a big Space marine bias (especially Ultramarines chapter)

>>713992604 (OP)
Don't space marines have the emperor's genes injected into them? Do the female ones gain a futa emperor-dick?

>>713995501
female marines don't exist but that may or may not change

>>713995501
there are no female space marines

>>713995091
Upgraded space marines. They were added to the lore in a hamfisted way as a way to invalidate the miniatures people had been collecting for 2 decades. People are still mad almost a decade later.

Why is this bitch keep getting posted here?

>>713996031
Sharty raid probably

>>713993861
>her

there are Sisters of battle, and smaller groups like Sisters of silence, if you are looking for an Imperium faction with females in it, but space marines, at least the loyalist chapters (though it is not mentioned much about the Chaos space marines if they do, but they do all kinds of weird experimental gene seed mutations), has a no girls allowed because they can't take Big E gene seed.

>>713996454
Who's gonna tell him?

>>713995091
Basically
>GW made a new wave of Marines models to make Marine players buy entire new armies of minis
>The lore justification for this was that a big Tech Priest spent the past 10,000 years designing and manufacturing an updated set of armor and a couple new implants
>These new marines are described as being the best of the best of the best (but not the best of the best of the best of the best, which is Custodes) and that they're all super duper amazing and way better than the already superhuman Firstborn Marines
>Firstborn could also become Primaris is an (supposedly) dangerous procedure which every named Marine character survived going through, because Marine players would royally piss and shit themselves if they even one of their named characters was killed off (Even though they have more named characters than some factions have units in general)
>Mechanically, these Marines also marked a significant new approach to how Marines were structured. Previously Marines were a generalist army that had some flexibility in terms of individual equipment and weaponry, with squads being able to mix and match options. Primaris Marines are different; every unit is a squad of specialists who all utilize one weapon type with very little deviation or options. This was done by GW to encourage more Marine sales for niche-filling.
>Despite already being arguably the biggest faction in the game by way of being the posterboys, Primaris marked a distinct turning point in GW's writing from "The Imperium is evil and does horrible things just like most everyone else in the galaxy, constantly on the verge of collapse under its own bloated weight" to "The Space Marines are the honorable defenders of Mankind who are valiant and noble on their campaigns to protect humanity alongside their side-kicks among the Imperium". Marines went from being freakish supersoldier monsters operating under their own wildly variable codes of ethics into being basic bitch Good Guys

>>713996542
not him are you talking about the custards?

>>713992604 (OP)
warhammer fans ain't gonna like this amigo

>>713996542
THE FEMALE CUSTODES NEVER HAPPENED REEEEE (still not as bad as Primaris desu)

Female Custodes was a good change because Custodes fucking suck and their fans deserve to suffer.
They still vehemently seethe at the Clowns knocking them down a peg from time to time, and it's hilarious.

>>713995501
The space marines are the ultimate expression of masculinity and fraternity. There MUST never be female space marines. If GW releases female space marines I'm not buying any more GW products

>>713996951
some say it was them who won but lost some, some say it was a curb stomp, still don't know the truth

>>713994790
Space Marine 2 is the superior game in every single way and while I don't like Primaris, it barely factors into the game at all. Leandros basically goes "you are now Primaris" and then Titus replies "OK" and that's the end of it

>>713996995
>still buying after Primaris dropped

>>713996686
So basically they made the marines super sayan?

>>713996995
If you haven't stopped consooming by now, you don't have it in you to stop

>>713994613
that pic must be so funny if you're retarded or brown

>>713997110
let's be honest here, both games are a discount version of old Gears of war trilogy and like AAA third person shooter games from 7th gen console era

>>713997127
not him but what? No it's not a super form it's an better batch, it's also a permanent upgrade but it was made out of scummy reasons

>>713997127
Yes, in a way that undermines a lot of what people liked about the Space Marines in the first place.

Power creep has been an INSANE problem in the last 10 years of 40k, the Custodes are now a regular army, Primaris bullshit, the Primarchs are all now returning, Firstborn Space Marines are basically obsolete.

>>713997093
Nobody really knows because The Beast books sucked. It's "widely" agreed that Clowns killed barely a handful before getting slaughtered en masse, but keep in mind Eldar are among the least popular factions in the fanbase and any dissent against the opinioms of Imperium fans is often drowned out

>>713997374
isn't gears of war mainly about taking cover?

>>713997463
yeah, but you know what I'm talking about

>>713997376
Every time a new transformation comes out in Dragon Ball it's effectively a permanent upgrade because the characters aren't gonna show up to fight the new big bad in anything but the most powerful form. Also super sayan was made to save ink on the manga

>>713997460
Not him but the Yvraine/Guilliman 'ship' sucks. They spoke casually a single time and Guilliman's lines in it were basically backhanded threats that he'll destroy the Eldar if they get in his way.
Meanwhile Yvraine's an utterly dogshit character despised by her own faction and mostly forgotten by GW themselves.

>>713997374
Space Marine 1 was licensed shovelware that played like a discount gears of war because melee was so unviable in that game, Space Marine 2 is an actual quality game that distinguishes itself from its inspiration

>>713997696
ah, yeah alright then

>>713997408
>Yes, in a way that undermines a lot of what people liked about the Space Marines in the first
Again I'm not defending 40k but this is also true for Dragon Ball. It was originally a comedy adventure themed around martial arts, all the power up transformation bullshit is really opposed to the original themes and tone of the show

>>713997724
I do wish it had Orks
>>713997889
I will say, never cared much about dbz but fuck if the original stuff with their vibrant colors and tone don't look fun and charming

>>713997724
it has parryslop on top of a generic 3rd person shooter. wow.
old game had more SOVL tho.

>risking the lives of 1000 year old super soldiers on an upgrade that makes them 2x better
Retarded, they're better off with a more numerous normal marine army.

>>713998034
it's not parryslop compared to dark ages

>>713997724
I don't like the two drama queens they put next to Titus in the 2nd one

>>713997724
I just bought Space Marine 2 and it plays exactly like the first, only difference is a half baked counter button. I don't think the first was bad or anything but I really don't see how the sequel changed much

>>713998115
or better equipment yeah?

>>713998132
it almost kinda is

>>713995501
I'm a lore master and I can promise you that this is the case

>>713992604 (OP)
Just play Vermintide 2. It's the only good one.

>>713998365
that's not 40k

>>713998303
but it's not as abundant...right?

>>713998198
who ever thought of putting in counters, and fucking with the health system was a retard. I think SM2 could have been a better game without that

So, do Custodes fuck each other?

>>713992604 (OP)
Why some faggot trying to force this ugly tranny in this board like it happened in /tv/?

>>713998535
not as abundant, still fucks with the flow, also feels broken and unresponsive at times

>>713998727
male ones? most likely (so do the people who play custodes)

>>713998198
Melee is completely unviable in space marine 1 because of the lack of invincibility frames in executions. If you try to execute anyone on higher difficulties you just die because the enemies will murder you before the execution animation even finishes. It's why the game takes a huge nosedive when Chaos shows up, it turns into another stop n pop cover shooter except you can't actually take cover lol

>>713997713
it's just a dumb old 40k meme, it's obviously not cannon

>>713997713
Eldar exist to get fucked by humans. Cope.

>>713998303
It's more of a BamHam counter than a Sekiro parry though, the timing window is huge. The challenge comes from spotting the big glowing indicator in the middle of a huge group of enemies, which again is more BamHam than Sekiro

>>714000676
Sad the buttion does nothing half of the time

>>714000906
Yeah like I said it's half baked, honestly they'd been better off just including a normal block button

>>713995091
Space marine space marines

>Primaris custodes drops
>its just a female custodes
What did GW mean by this?

>>713992604 (OP)
That marine looks fucking weird, sure is not a chaos marine?

>>714001910
Slaneeshi mutation for shure

Ever since they added Tau to the lore, we have been going down hill...

>>713998727
No. Nobody fucks it war hammer. Nobody. It's never mentioned. There is no love. There is no time for sex. Humans are made, in a science tube. Or a demons anus an nowhere else.

Humans are too busy working the fields, eating each other or dying in wars for something so petty as a place to fuck and raise families.

>>714003214
You didn't exist in 2001 so how would you know?

>>714003446
The procreation is done to produce more soldiers, not for entertainment, so the Imperium decree, or else it's heresy.

>>714003830
I was there when Space marines had beaks.

>>714004185
Then it's way past your bedtime. You can't sit around and shipost when the nurse will be making the rounds in a minute.

>>713994354
>drukhari
Disgusting,

>>714004594
My bedtime is right next to your momma, kiddo, and it dont involve sleep

>>713996686
Accurate summary
Basically this is why I like Grey Knights, its the literal only muhreen faction free from Primaris nonsense, if only because GW doesn't seem to care enough about GK to throw their lore into the trash for the sake of selling a new miniatures line
Chaos Gate Daemonhunter is a good game if you want to play that revolves around them

>>714005206
Are you the same person who always recommends Daemonhunters in Steam Sale and 40k threads, or are there multiple people?
Feel like it was like four sales ago you recommended it and posted your hours for it. And for four sales I've said "maybe" and then not bought it cause nobody else in the threads have even played it.

>>714006420
I dunno if these were the hours screencap then yeah I was that guy. It's certainly not the first time I've recommended it though, it's a good game if you like xcom or turn based strategy games in general

>>714006846
I will say that if you do buy it either creamapi the dlc or just make sure you don't buy the Castellan Champion one, it literally just adds "some literal who joins you midcampaign and you get a trap unit to use that will prevent a grey knight from getting xp", total garbage even if you're on sale. Execution Force (adds assassins as usable units) and Duty Eternal (adds dreadnaught and increases difficulty on specific types of missions) are good though

>>713992604 (OP)
>not a problem, since space marines are all male

>>714006846
I can save her

>>713996686
>Mechanically, these Marines also marked a significant new approach to how Marines were structured. Previously Marines were a generalist army that had some flexibility in terms of individual equipment and weaponry, with squads being able to mix and match options. Primaris Marines are different; every unit is a squad of specialists who all utilize one weapon type with very little deviation or options. This was done by GW to encourage more Marine sales for niche-filling
I hated this shit so much. Not that anybody here cares but the tabletop marines no longer play like marines, primarisslop completely changed their approach to combat and made it so they feel like a whole new faction.
Now instead of tactically flexible squads that are pretty good in most situations and don't particularly excel at anything, you have Ranged Marines, Close Ranged Marines, Anti Tank Marines, Melee Marines, Sneaky Marines, etc. And due to power creep, there's not really a way to make the older marine style work unless you just want to make a jobber list designed to lose against whoever you play with.
Shit sucks. Fuck GW.

>>713998461
He said Warhammer games. Not 40k games

>>714006846
Jesus Christ it is you. I don't know if I can buy into your hyperfixation.
Have you ever played any other 40k games or just Daemonhunters?

>>714007874
Yeah but he posted a Space Marine and nobody actually gives a shit about Fantasy.

>>713996686
>"The Space Marines are the honorable defenders of Mankind who are valiant and noble on their campaigns to protect humanity alongside their side-kicks among the Imperium".
Based
Humanity rules and I'm tired of games telling me to feel ashamed of being human

>>714008306
I dont see any space marine?
Where?

>>714008374
Nah, thats pussy shit. Old 40k was humanity rules any means neccesary, with no appologies how. And fuck xenos.

>>713998034
>it puts this design element into a different genre
Yeah that's called something new, you retarded fucking faggot inbred cuckold retard
I am so sick of people who think that their ability to label the mechanics/tropes/genres of a game somehow invalidates it.

>>714008539
Only the Brits could be that bassed, and lose it all. I wonder if 40k is their biggest IP. Does it beat Harry Potter.

>>713992604 (OP)

The tabletop game or Kill team

>>714009614
The retards in main studio are carried by their specialist game division.

>>714008093
>hyperfixation
>guy says x? he must be obsessed with x
Blow it out your ass you gigantic faggot.

>>713994004
Actually some of the Thousand Sons are confirmed to be female (male) now

Why doesn't GW just come out and tell us the Emperor's name is Karl Franz?

>>714010143
Because his real name is Neoth.

Warhammer 0k: War of Heaven
Warhammer 10k: Men of Iron
Warhammer 20k: She Who Thirsts
Warhammer 50k: Age of Neoth

>>713995091

Ignore the buttholurt lore trannies.
All that happened is that they upgraded the miniatures to be better scaled and less cartoony. To not have a massive dissonance between existing and new space marines they gave it some lore.

In the game (miniature or Vidya) this has zero impact. They just look a little different and there are codblops style flavours now. And not that it matters, but you never had to buy any new models. People are just tsundere towards big daddy James workshop. They just dislike asking their wife's bf for an advance on the allowance. But especially space marine players are the biggest gw semen slurpers in the universe. They basically cry and shit themselves if anything is released and sm don't get a sergeant with a bolt pistol or some shit.

That said space marine 2 is just the all around better game. There is just more content. SM1 just doesn't overstay its welcome because it's like 1h long.

>>713994575
>>713996686

>>713992604 (OP)
He cute.

>>714010594

>All that happened is that they upgraded the miniatures to be better scaled and less cartoony. To not have a massive dissonance between existing and new space marines they gave it some lore.

They could have just phased out existing kits with primaris size/proportions if they wanted to. They specifically chose to write bunch of new fluff about the whole Primaris shit.

>>714010526
War in heaven would be -400k

>>714009874
>none of the other Steam games are installed
I rest my case.

>>714010594
>In the game (miniature or Vidya) this has zero impact.
This is a blatant lie as far as miniatures are concerned. >>713996686 alludes to and >>714007805 details how the broader design of Space Marines got ruined as a consequence of Primaris.

>>714011514
>play games
>uninstall them when you're done with them
>'wtf ur obssesedd!'
Your case is you're a retard. Go back to plebbit.

>>714010752
Not sure I follow. Is your complaint seriously that existing armies are not lore accurate anymore?

Are you the guy who doesn't play against me because one of my crimson fists has his right arm red? Eugene is it you?

>>714011839
Don't be ridiculous. Just give them some
Tom cruise lifts. Nobody in the known universe complains about lore accuracy on the tabletop if you are not in the club of the biggest loreanal goobers in the known universe

Why aren't there any Japanese Warhammer games?

>>714006420
>>714008093
>>714011514
>guy recommends 40k game in 40k thread
>faggot starts sperging about how totally obsessed other guy is
>other guy posts his 40k game list
>"u-u uninstalled them? we-well im still right!!1"
Uninstall life my dude, jesus christ.

>>714013465
>Nobody in the known universe complains about lore accuracy on the tabletop
But that post specifically details the mechanics of the game and how they were harmed by Primaris. It has nothing to do with lore accuracy. Hyperspecialized squads is Eldar's thing, it shouldn't be Space Marines' thing.

>>714005206
How is Chaos Gate Daemonhunter compared to W40K mechanicus ?

>>714013689
this is fucking garbage

>>714014309
It's good that you're angry.

>>714014541
why?

>>714014807
Because it means you care.

>>714014901
this is even worse than I thought
also I meant why as in why was this made?

>>714014901
Weebs were a mistake

>>714010752
>They could have just phased out existing kits with primaris size/proportions if they wanted to
This.
Look at the CSM refresh. All they did was give the models a glow-up and rescale.
Compare that to Marines which went fro.
>Tactical Squad
>Devestator Squad
>Assault Squad
>Scout Squad
>Sternguard Vet Squad
>Vanguard Vet Squad
>Terminator Squad
>Terminator Assault Squad
To
>INTERCESSOR SQUAD
>HELLBLASTER SQUAD
>HEAVY INTERCESSOR SQUAD
>ERADICATOR SQUAD
>DESOLATOR SQUAD
>INFILTRATOR/ SQUAD
>REIVER SQUAD
>ELIMINATOR SQUAD
>AGGRESSOR SQUAD
>INCEPTOR SQUAD
>SUPPRESSOR SQUAD
>BLADEGUARD VET SQUAD
>ASSAULT INTERCESSOR SQUAD
>ASSAULT INTERCESAOR SQUAD (w/ Jump Packs)
>INFERNUS SQUAD
>Sternguard Vet Squad
>Terminator Squad
It's to the point now where Eldar Exarchs have more options in their kit than most Marine squads do.

>>714015367
>>INFILTRATOR/ SQUAD
*Infiltrator/Incursor
Was doing a special case for them since they share a box

>>714014970
For the mere hell of it because fun things are fun.
Here's the full thing since you like it so much
https://files.catbox.moe/v0t5jk.zip

>>714015552
I don't like it at all, I don't mind anime but I hate when it gets shoved where it doesn't belong

>>714015714
It's the fate of all things.

>>714016002
Are all weebs pedoes?

>>714014901
nevermind this is peak

>>713994613
This faggot's comics are always the same fucking joke.

>>714016002
warbosses are supposed to be big, who the hell makes these?

>>713993861
You are the kind of troglodyte who probably claps when Rogue Trader announces another flavor of human with a normal jobs and yells that this is his favourite "race" ever. The lore is one of the most safest shit ever when they have tons of interesting races and you bitch about OP posting a girl in a suit

>>714016146
Highly likely.

>>714016174
Someone named Saru, by the looks of it.

>not playing T'au in the year of 40k
Space Marines can get dunked on by sick ass mecha's

>>714016675
>mecha's
Mecha's what?

>>714016527
>>714016620
yeah, garbage
like at least make them anime women with intimidating looks but nah, I hate this forced crap

>>714016719
Mecha's my way downtown walking fast, faces past and Im homebound dadadadadadadadaaa

>>714016675
>Play Eldar
>Banshee Exarch with an Executioner kills Marneus fucking Calgar in melee
Marines exist to get dunked on by xenos. SM ans SM2 are just Imperial propaganda.

>>714016675
T'au are literally the weakest faction who only dont get erased because the others are too busy

>>714016856
If the cuteness intimidates you this greatly I'd say each look has the same effect.

>>714015340
weeb website

>>714016973
Yeah but we look super fucking cool

>>714017056
it's not intimidation, it just doesn't belong
not everything needs to be anime

Weebs > Britaboos

>>714017278
But big power armor and mechs are extremely anime.

>>713998198
I am sorry but comparing the two is like comparing something thought out before hand to a chinese knockoff. The buffoons destroyed the whole combat flow, released 6 missions which are hallways with rollercoaster like attractions for "real" fans to onions face over, then they released 3 more maps over 6 months and a half baked siege mode and it is done. They have already announced the third game and a remake of the first one where they will probably butcher its combat. The thing i hate the most is the fact that Spacemarine 2 was paraded around like the savior of gaming just because it got released right at the moment when the "right" political side was "winning" and the devs baited those mouth breathers into buying this garbage.

>>714017452
but not this moe shit
moe? moa? you gett me

>>714016675
Fuckin space commies
https://youtu.be/evnXJTQkWFE?si=CfIoyauZyO-0KqUs

>>714017820
look bro peace and love plz understand

>>714017735
Im-moe-lator

>>714017820
What copium is this? Tau have been consistently expanding and Imperium's attempts to stop Tau expansion let alone destroy the Tau have all failed.

>>713992604 (OP)
S(he) looks like Zelda

I HATE NUHAMMER
I HATE NUHAMMER
I HATE NUHAMMER

>>714018082
huh?

>>713992604 (OP)
>What Warhammer game(s) should someone who wants to get into the Universe start with?
The actual tabletop game.

>>714017820
Reminder that the Imperium consistently loses to the Tau
>Two First Founding Marine Chapters were left horribly scarred and battered in a single campaign, Raven Guard Chapter Master Corvin Severax was personally slain by Commander Shadowsun in an ambush
>The Damocles Crusade was a resounding failure that only served to strengthen the Tau due to how poorly it was managed
>Tau Expansion Spheres have pushed further and further into Imperial space with nosignificant pushback
>Tau are now looking to invade Ultramar itself, even in the wake of Guilliman's return

>>714018405
death corp are the most nuhammer shit in guard now, every major battle HAS to have them

>>714018479
Immolator
Im-moe-lator

>>714018818
yeah but why did you say oooooooh
meh

>>713992604 (OP)
On a side note, what is a good way of reading codex's and books without giving GW any money? I've looked at some second hand listings, but people are wanting a bit too much for them.

>>714018883
I didn't say "oooooooh", though.

>>714018951
no that's me

>>714018786
still better than Cadians

>>714018942
Ask for PDFs on /tg/.

>>713994790
lmao, still seething. Basic (wave 1 mostly) primaris are cool.

>>714019304
>Salted shit is better than regular shit
IG fans have the most utterly mundane sense of taste imagineable.

>>714018674
wonder if they will grow in power and be an actual big proper faction

>>714019407
Ok I guess we've reached full circle and we're supposed to like the smurfs now.

>>714019491
They aren’t, shits gonna settle down with the rift and they are gonna catch the eye of one of the proper factions.

>>714019491
Spoiler alert anon; They won't. Tau and Craftworld Eldar are the two factions outside the Imperium which don't immediately (as in visually) come across as evil, and delving into them shows that both factions are objectively more 'in the right' than the Imperium is. This goes against GW's modern marketing approach of having the Imperium be the face of 40k as the de facto 'good guys', to make the game more appealing to younger audiences and their parents who don't care about the lore and just see "Big space man in big armor". As such neither Tau nor Eldar are allowed to be significant players in 40k narratives now, as their presence takes away from the Imperium's spotlight. The only purpose they serve going forward is to either make the other factions look good by association (see; the Ynnari) or act as filler to let hype for a Marine release build up (see; Farsight last edition). There is literally zero reason to be a Tau or Eldar fan, both factions are designated as NPCs now.

>>714019407
What do you even want, man? At least Guard got a new range that aren't Starship Troopers ripoffs

>>714019787
>IF YOU DON'T LIKE THIS BORING THING THEN SURELY YOU MUST LIKE OTHER BORING THING
Oh do grow up. Cadians suck. Krieg suck. Ultramarines suck. Pretty much every 'face' army for each faction sucks because they're watered down and boring compared to the other armies within their faction, exceptions being Eldar, Dark Eldar, and Necrons, mostly since those don't really matter when it comes to subfactions.

>>714019975
yeah but we look cool as fuck

>>714019994
>What do you even want, man?
Tallarn and Valhallans would be nice.

>>714020329
For me it's Vostroyans and Maccabians.

>>714019994
>What do you even want, man?
would love to see all the regiments that used to have representation have fucking representation again, for a start

>>714019975
>xenos are neglected because management doesn't want them to overshadow muhreens :(
Xenos are neglected because they don't fucking sell.

>>714020483
>>714020329
If Krieg got a release there's a chance others will as well.

>>714019975
>this nigger is fan of a faction only if they are "winning" in 40k or the poster boys

Fucking secondaries lmao.

>>714020238
Yeah yeah everything sucks except for the furry legions.

>>713992604 (OP)
>that one tranny who tried to force hunter as Zelda got so mad after getting BTFO that he's now shopping him onto random pics he uses as OPs
Kek, absolutely mindbroken.

I wish Nurgle would give me his foul gifts

>>714020573
Anon, the literal single bit of new lore to come out of the recent Eldar codex is that the Ynnari have effectively collapsed. It's not a mattee of 'winning', Tau and Eldar don't even get new developments.

I am very intelligent

>>714014047
Couldn't tell you as I haven't played that. Been thinking of trying it but not a huge adeptus mechanics fan

>>714020962
>try to boost Eldar in narrative
>xenosfags don't correspondingly purchase more Eldar models
>gee dubs notices that Eldar don't make money
>cycle back the narrative
>xenosfags cry

>>714021373
we’ll always have dawn of war, eldarbros

>>714021373
>Try to 'boost' Eldar
>All they release are three named characters with gimmick rules
>The main focus character is a completely unlikeable cunt who the other Eldar have to bow down to and obey solely for meta reasons, even though she's done nothing but directly harm the Eldar factions (Breaking of Khaine's Gate, Shattering of Biel Tan, revival of Guilliman)
>In fact the new 'boost' goes out if its way to explicitly shit on the plotline it's supposed to be taking over, shafting several characters people actually like in favor of MUH YVRAINE
>Most of the Eldar and Dark Eldar ranges remain ancient, much of it in dogshit resin
>People don't buy the ancient models due to the expectation that more refreshes are coming
>They don't come
>People don't buy the new lore because it's awful and exists solely to shit on the Eldar instead of promote them (Lmao Genestealer Craftworld. Also fuck Eldanesh and Khaine, they obey KWEEN Yvraine)
>GW then goes radio silent on Eldar for years before quitely putting out a small blurb that basically retcons everything that's happened for Eldar since Cadia's fall (except Biel Tan, they're still fucked lmao)

>>713995560
>>713995573
technically daemonculaba are women with geneseed (temporarily) in their bodies
that is the closest thing to a female astartes i'm willing to accept

>>714020970
engage the poo beam :DDDDD

>>713995501
>Do the female ones gain a futa emperor-dick?
no, only Femstodes do.

>>714022749
eh, she will get a new arm that is probably even better than the old one

Space hulk deathwing is 4 dollars and is kind of like darktide but less weightless and space marine but less chasing the lowest common denominator. It has customization as well.

Necromunda is fun and has customization options and infinite replayability and youre in an underhive so you get a different view and table top elements. 2 dollars.

Rites of war is playing as eldar and its a turn based srpg so it has a high novelty factor and cost idk 2 dollars?

Those are my personal recommendations but if you want me to normie it up id say dawn of war is mandatory but there's about to be a cash grab remaster.

To be honest the best 40k games are arma 3 and men of war mods, the games fucking suck as a rule.

>>714022887
imperium tech is digshit and clunky

>>714022063
Have you considered not investing yourself into an NPC faction?

>>714023093
FROM THE MOMENT I UNDERSTOOD THE WEAKNESS OF MY FLESH IT DISGUSTED ME

>>714022749
The Empra protects :))

>>714023386
they don't even got the tech level to pretend tech ascends them
there are tropes where that happens but the priests' tech is not it

>>714023093
The Imperium has a pretty good understanding of prosthetics compared to the rest of their tech.

>>714023598
Nah they have pretty reliable prosthetic tech. Enough to replace most of their body with mechanical parts.

>>714023828
yeah but "ascend"? nah

>>713994575
There are five Space Hulk games anons you're going to have to be specific than that.

How do you guys feel about Votann showing up in Mechanicus 2?

>>713998461
40k isn't good like Fantasy is

>>714024821
old 40k art was exactly like this tho

>>714013689
Japan is still a growing market for Warhammer, and the audience isn't built up ye,t except among Westaboos
See the failure of the Tau in the early 2000s as an example of GW failure in Japan

>>714010594
>less cartoony

>>713992604 (OP)
Darktide captures the atmosphere of the grimy, claustrophobic hive cities that most humans live in exceptionally well

>>713992604 (OP)
Start with the first three horus heresy books instead.

>>714024984
Old 40k lore wasn't as good as old Fantasy

>>714025446
>we have starcraft 2 reapers at home

>>714010594
>All that happened is that they upgraded the miniatures to be better scaled and less cartoony.
nigger shut the fuck up.
they are phasing them out of tournaments as well, and putting some units on the "legends" list so you aren't allowed to USE the models you paid for.
a bunch of bikes, speeders, scouts, and some dreadnaughts, aka more expensive stuff, got yanked.

>>714019975
The Imperium have never been the good guys you retarded fag.

>>714023876
She's got a chance if she rises through the ranks, artificer limb would be a straight upgrade, or if she winds up in some rogue trader's retinue she's got a chance at an archeotech limb that can do shit that would make admech drool while still looking like real flesh.

>>714025781
It still amuses the fuck out of me that GW got the marinepiggies to buy their muhreen ranges twice with the primaris shit.

>>714025726
don't care, i only like the cool stuff
>>714025735
wasnt star craft based on 40k or something?

>>714026130
again, ascension, not simple enhancement

>>714026284
They have the tech to let you live as a brain in a jar

>>714026412
but not ascend, they can't do what Eldar or Necron tech can do

>>714026468
I wouldn't want to have my soul pulled out of my body over a missing arm.

>>714026468
>Necron
>ascention

>>714026192
Fantasy has more cool stuff than 40k

>>714026616
potentially probably, they have the best fucking tech
>>714026602
I am talking in general man

>>714010143
Because Karl Franz ascended into Age of Smegma and the 40k emperor is a skeleton in a chair, living comfy below an effigy propped up as a distraction.

>>714025876
>Meanwhile, on the cover of the 9E core book

>>714026740
>best tech
>yeah just give up your soul and live as a low-caste faggot for all of eternity

>>714026647
meh, I like 40k more
fantasy is boring as hell to me

>>714026829
it's a known thing that they have the best tech anon, common knowledge
and fuck does them being dull bots(for the most part) have to do with their tech level?

>>714026990
because giving up your soul isn't "ascention" you gay robot

>>714014047
Daemonhunters is much closer to xcom, with your 2 action economy, enemies with visible hp pools and no summoned units.

>>714027212
but I am not talking about that, i know it's not ascension
I am just sayin that something as advanced as Necron or Eldar tech would be closer to ascension than tincan admech tech is all

I want a multiplayer VR cockpit game where you command a Titan. Or just a singeplayer game where you play as the Titan directly

*Deafening Warhorn Noises"

>>714026798
Jesus Christ.

>>714019975
The tau are evil space communists that resort to mindcontrol and mindbreaking if you don't believe in their greater good but they want to make use of you.
They only appear nicer because they haven't seen enough of the galaxy to implement the proper defenses against its horrors, AND they are in a state similar to humans prior to the "evolution" of psykers where they don't have to worry about the warp blowing in through the skull of one of random citizens.

the craftworld eldar are a tiny fragment of a fallen empire that views everyone else as filthy unevolved upstarts who's only use is to be a convenient meatshield for their own self preservation.

>>714028302
>They only appear nicer because they haven't seen enough of the galaxy to implement the proper defenses against its horrors
Im pretty sure they gave everyone a proper beating by now, for like the last 200 years or so

>>714028302
>the craftworld eldar are a tiny fragment of a fallen empire that views everyone else as filthy unevolved upstarts who's only use is to be a convenient meatshield for their own self preservation
Based desu

>>714028302
>that views everyone else as filthy unevolved upstarts who's only use is to be a convenient meatshield for their own self preservation
Eldar see intrinsic value in Human life and would be happy to live alongside them if it wasn't for the Imperium.

>>714028675
They have the tech to prevent splinters of factions from making major pushes without a big commitment.
They have been deceived by the dark eldar, eaten by tyrannids, infested by gene stealers, and farsight is getting corrupted by chaos.
If there is ANYTHING remotely tricky in the lore to deal with, you can expect the Tau to be blundering into it and getting fucked over for it.
I also wonder how much their high level tech would fair (lore wise) against the higher level stuff the adeptus mechanicus in particular hoards.
They are cool but they are also deliberately meant to be naïve, inexperienced, and suffering for it.
A figurative echo of what humanity once was, written along different lines.

>>714028747
Very much so.
The craftworld eldar work very well by being arrogant assholes while metaphorically being redneck hicks who didn't truck with the degeneracy of the old eldar empire and decided to build their own brand of tech with the OPPOSITE of blackjack and hookers.

>>714029253
one page from one book about ONE space elf means jack shit.
also
>"Humans, though crude and unmannerly, were useful pawns"
RIGHT THERE, in your own fucking book, dude.
Eldar have a long history of doing this stuff and their entire plan with the emperor was to have horus kill him and use the death of humanity to starve out chaos, if I remember right.

>Space Marines: My faith is my shield
>*faith does nothing*
>Adeptus Sororitas: My faith is my shield
>*faith does something*
Explain this imperiumkeks
In all seriousness I have never liked the idea of turning Big E into just another warp demon god, or the presence of the Adeptus Sororitas that justify it. It feels like it diminishes the element of faith that exists in the Space Marines

>>714017680
>Combat flow
>Space Marine 1
I miss when bait used to be believable. The "combat flow" of Space marine 1 is ruined the moment you make it half way into the game. Having no I-frames for exacutions makes melee completely useless since you get shot down before the animation finishes. The whole "combat flow" of Space marine 1 turns into popping out to snipe the big enemy then going back into cover for your shield to come back. While I agree with the health system being annoying in 2 the gameplay is way more engaging compared to the first game. The enemies actually push you and melee doesn't feel like complete shit.
>released 6 missions which are hallways with rollercoaster like attractions for "real" fans to onions face over, then they released 3 more maps over 6 months and a half baked siege mode and it is done.
Most of the missions are pretty good and fun but it the horde mode could have been better. I 100% agree with you that they are taking to damn long to release shit and they left the PvP to the side which is gay because the PvP is a lot better than the Space Marine 1.

>>714029253
>"Korlandril wondered what he would feel when he killed his first human"
Yeah, little wonder he doesn't have the proper snobbish dickishness in him yet.
He is a noob of an eldar.

>>714029573
That is easy to explain actually.
The Space Marines don't view the Emperor himself anywhere NEAR as religiously as the rest of humanity does, never mind the Sisters of Battle.
They still see him as human. They see him as a God. Their faith is more abstract and rooted more in ignoring the temptations of the warp than praying for miracles.
The sisters of battle are actively CALLING on a branch of the warp that the emperor controls, which is entirely out of line with how the Space Marines think about things.

Now, the thing is humanity doesn't actually realize (for the most part) what is going on with the emperor and the warp.
Its a case of
>your vile warp sorcery of demons
>my divine powers from god
both using the same plane of energy, but from VERY different sources

>>714029573
Most Space Marines don't think the Emperor is a God, while Sororitas do and are typically located on Shrine worlds with Billions of humans who believe the same, making them a nexus of Faith.

I like Warp God Emperor as long as he's suitably insane and inhuman but I like the Starchild and Sensei as his Avatars over Living Saints.

>>714029486
>>714029925
The Wraithbone Phoenix also includes an Eldar character who treats the two leading characters (A Ratling and an Ogryn) with more respect than the Imperials and is happy to find a pair of friends like them on a really shitty planet.
In Above And Beyond there's an Eldar character who jokes around acting haughtily but goes out of his way just to save the main character twice.
Tallarn and Biel Tan swore oaths of friendship with one another after uniting to fight an invasion of Daemons and Chaos Marines.
Eldar don't despise Humanity, they despise the Imperium for what it made Humanity become.

>>714030407
No one said they despise humanity, though some certainly do.
I said they viewed humanity as unevolved upstarts who's best use is as a convenient meatshield.
Not a single word you just typed contradicted any of this.
This is literally why they want to befriend humanity.

You might as well try to say Israel doesn't think of America the same way because some people in the IDF get along well with some American soldiers.
There are individuals, and then there are civilizations.
Relationships between civilizations are not the same thing and do not work the same.

>>714013689
grrrr.. smug dreadnaught brat...
twin-linked lascannon correction needed!

>>713992604 (OP)
Love how people only post this one angle of Hunter Schafer because he looks like a Jewoid goblin from any other.

>>714018405
>cute custodes amazons
wtf I love 40k now?

>>714031472
that aint how they look like

>>714031472
thats a demon of Tzeentch though.
do you not know how to count eyes?

>>713996995
>he didn't switch to 3d printing the second they announced fem custodes
retard

>>714031472
It's really all they had to do but instead they directly modeled the first one they showed after the Brienne of Tarth chick.

>>714032113
no. daemon infiltrators are not welcome.
the sisters of silence are the "female custodes"

>>713996686
>basic bitch Good Guys
who respect women, xenos and trans people's chosen personal pronouns

>>714029573
>space marines "my faith is my shield"
>faith grants the mental fortitude to resist the horrors of the 41st millennium
>sororitas "my faith is my shield"
>big E astral projects to slap the nuts of whoever was bothering his adorable fuck up daughters

>>714018405
I HATE NUHAMMER

>>714014901
cute >.<
I love Warhammer now!

>>714029573
Faith unironically does help space marines from time to time, it specifically counters nurgle's rot. Or at least that's the reason they give why nurgle doesn't just instantly win the second his troops show up on a battlefield, because you can stave off the disease by just believing hard enough.

>>714032805
The Black Templars get cool shit happening all the time through their Emperor's Champions. Tho they are actively using Sororitas-like faith rather than the coping "I'll pray to you but I won't call it prayer" faith of the other chapters.

>>714032805
they also have a powerful immune system hell the reason why the infected are in pain is because they can't just die or fully form or some shit like that i could be wrong

>>714033209
That was just the excuse they gave for the Death Guard falling all at once as an entire legion to the peepeepoopoo god, but I'm sure it's happened more than that single time.

>>714033438
elaborate m8

When are we getting a good Horus Heresy game?

>>714033584
When Jews Workshop sees line go up in respect to HH.

>>714033584
>SM2 multiplayer
>but 50v50 with vehicles and environment destruction
Just DO IT

>>714033990
>it uses the frostbite engine

>>714034028
The work of Chaos

>>714033584
For that there must be a good setting.

>>714033584
I wish they could make a good one with someone whipping Mark Spark (Death of Hope) into making good models for everything.
Dude has the talent but his drive is dried up.

>>714028302
Shadowsun and friends fought against Nurgle Marines and even found some psychic cure to some disease those used. Tau have it nice.

>>714034108
You will get jihad-jeeping ATVs and you will like it.

>>714034251
HH is already better than modern 40k. Xenos are unneeded.

>>714022912
>Rites of War
>srpg
I mean, with all those level-ups and unit transformations, maybe?
Rites of War also has an honor having Imperial Guard that aren't the fucking Cadians and Sisters of Battle with raven hair instead of white. And old edition Tyranids, just look at that Carnifex.

>>714035030
A straightforward Civil War makes for a cleaner story and I like the design of Chaos Legions before they got fully corrupted but most Primarchs are genuinely retarded

>>714033579
This is an extremely dumbed down version from the wiki but basically the story is
>Space Marine Death Guard legion on it's way to final battle during the horus heresy
>While flying through the warp the entire ship catches a mysterious disease that causes them all to become horribly sick but not die (The Death Guard were all from a planet where the atmosphere was toxic and already full of diseases so they were already particularly resilient to that stuff)
>It becomes so bad that their chapter master, Mortarion, makes a pact with Nurgle to make the pain stop and save his legion
>He "makes the pain stop" by making them unable to feel pain and horribly corrupting their bodies
>Entire legion falls to chaos instantly and never questions this and also is perfectly fine with their body being horribly bloated and covered with sphincters that shit out liquid diarrhea

>>714035436
Fuck I forgot the screencap

>>714035030
Actually, there is an Eldar Autarch who lifts a human Immortal with one hand and makes him go "ack-ack" to remind him who is in control and it takes an Eldar Farseer to convince that human Immortal and Immortal Vulkan to stop being perpetual cucks.

>>714035436
>>714035491
thanks man now i remember
yeah that's fucking lame, I do remember questioning it though, I still don't get it to this day, they don't actually fall to chaos they just...become part of it instantly

>>714035624
instantly is a strange way to describe being tortured for an unknown period of time in the warp until they gave in

>>714035436
That happened only because that was Typhus's and Nurgle's plan. They didn't plan on killing the rest but turning them into Nuggle's slaves.

>>714035624
They were stuck in the warp so the whole thing felt like millenia of suffering for them.

>>714035745
>>714035854
you sure? don't they have undying loyalty?
wait a sec of course not

>>714035960
>don't they have undying loyalty?
You're thinking the Grey Knights, Space Marines fall to Chaos all the time.

>>713992604 (OP)
The answer is always Dawn of War 1 and work from there. If you don't enjoy the themes and storytelling of DoW 1, you prolly won't enjoy 40k.

>>714036048
hence why the second part was added

>>714035960
you are gonna need to explain your autism a bit further dude.
the wording of the "when they finally emerged from the warp" is a deliberate thing to suggest an unknown and lengthy period of time.
the old legions were taught very differently from modern space marines.
Their loyalty wasnt just to the emperor, it was to the ideals he sold them on and to their commanders... which meant Horus.
The old legions were meant to have none of the religious tones present in 40k.
They knew nothing of chaos or how to resist it.
It was a massive vulnerability and the fault of the emperor.

>>713997713
Actually, they spoke twice at least. Once through psykery (Rowboat was asking the Eldar to take some EVIL ITEM OF IMPORTANCE from Chaos).

>>714036245
I paid little attention to be honest with you, my bad
I am still surprised they were able to survive with their abnormal qualities from their planet

>>714036445
I remember that story.
It fucking sucked.

>>714036506
Regular humans survive that shit if shitmaker wants them to or if they are bad enough. Without resisting. I honestly don't understand your surprise. It's more strange that Khorne's worshippers somehow don't go extinct (there are still thousands of World Eaters running around) when the fuck cares for nothing but killing. Okay, maybe a bit of worshipping, magic and psykery is also appreciated if you believe Dawn of War.

>>714036838
or maybe the mutations were just good enough for that but not good enough to cure them
the "powerscaling" gets confusing in 40K
but meh

>>714036506
No big.
It would be as simple as Nurgle wanting to corrupt them instead of kill them, really.
He wanted carriers, avatars to spread his rot.
So he chose the people most fitting who had a theme based around bioweapons and toxins, and made his move.

Later lore had their first captain Typhus secretly betray them and sabotage something to get them stuck in the warp in the first place.

He was already a potential vector via "witch blood" from his psyker and mutant ancestry.
He had limited psyker powers he suppressed, and eventually was turned by Erebus, the OG Traitor, directly.
A lot of the legion itself was turned well before Mortarion was actually corrupted to chaos.

>>714037214
he is smarter than he looks then
well looks as far as interpretations go at least

>>714036707
My honest opinion on Ynnari? I like Visarch's style.

>>714037214
Typhus being Erebus of his legion is fairly olde lore, like way before HH BL slop at least. What I think the HH added is that the mutant/xeno overlords of their home planet were Nurgle's worshippers.

>>714037257
None of the 40k legions and primarchs and traitors were stupid.
Not even Angron, as fucked over as he was.
The fall was well planned and the product of a lot of work and long term fuckery, per old and newer lore of the Horus Heresy.
It involved very long term plans, like setting up Magnus and his legion's entire culture to be tied to warp demons pretending to be happy servants.
It involved provoking a fight between the Imperium one of the only other major human factions in order to force the eradication of the only bastion of humanity that was properly wary of the Warp, which is also how they got the anathema thing used to help push Horus over the edge.
The Isstvan III atrocity followed by the Dropsite massacre on V was a masterplan of scheming to get as many loyalists of the traitor legions killed as possible in two steps.

>>714037536
thank you, I wasn't sure what was newer and older lore, due to the timing of getting into this stuff. newer HH stuff turned me off from trying to delve too deep into the source books, even if there is cool stuff in there.

>>714037947
meant Nurgle

>>714035436
>>714035491
Death Guard lore is so dumb, I have no idea how anyone who is actually a lorefag can enjoy them. Their story reads like a fucking greentext mockery meme, but they just ran with it.
>*gets poopoo peepee on them in the warp*
>"AHHHH NURGLEMAN SAVE MEEE"

>>714037979
Ah.
Same thing really.
None of them are stupid.
Not even Khorne and his breakfast cereal.
I forget how the lore shifted over time, but per one version I believe all of them were influenced by humanity and how humanity developed.
Including our bioweaponry.
Nurgle is a twisted reflection of nature and evolution corrupted by stagnant cycles of rot and rebirth.
Incredibly complex processes that occur naturally.
And he literally spends ALL of his free time trying to PERFECT the deliberate engineering of these things.
Nurgle isn't stupid. He is a hyperfocused nerd who only wants to make plagues.

>>714038284
isnt tzeentch the nerd?

>>714038369
Tzeentch is the KING of nerds, yes.
But he is the OPPOSITE of hyperfocused as a nerd, and instead dominates over knowledge in general.
Nurgle only wants to know about the perfect plague to make the perfect cycle of growth and suffering.
Tzeentch wants to know literally everything ever and play twisted games using convoluted plans with that knowledge to demonstrate his absolute superiority as the undisputed know-it-all.
A corruption of both the desires for knowledge and the application of knowledge to accomplish goals without being a meat head.
Trickery, Esoterica, Intrigue and Psyker Magics. Predicting the future, manipulation of the masses, etc.

>>714038658
thanks man

>>714038723
thanks for letting me autism about 40k

>>714038753
lmao, anytime

>>714037947
Angron got pretty stupid after he turned, it's why the world eaters fucked off into dozens of splinter warbands after the heresy. Although new lore they somehow are back to being an organised legion or something? Not quite sure on that one.

>>714038208
Don't forget, that was after they became traitors and backstabbers, and culled their ranks of any who could object. That was just breaking any leftover pride they still had about how tough and enduring they were. Still more understandable than Word Bearers, who were basically
>a few Chaos cultists from the get-go
>the supremely vicious manbaby primarch
>the rest, who were mostly genetically inclined to obey their manbaby even more than other mahreens their primarchs

>>714039080
True, he was utterly lost in the bloodlust.
It would make sense for the legion to reform at some point, though.
All it would take would be one strong leader to be the biggest ape on the biggest pile of skulls.

>>714039140
It feels weird to hear Lorgar be called the manbaby instead of Perturabo.
Was it because of how he approached warfare?

>>714039140
Lmao get bent, Fagtarion. We won.

>>714039080
The legion splitting was directly because Kharn went postal on everyone, but a bunch of insane muderers isn't the best at staying organized anyways.

>>714038369
Yes, he's THE NERD of overcomplicated plans and magic, jut the other gods are still able to plan:
Nurgle loves for his victims to slowly descent into madness and then "rescue" them (see death guard) by devouring their souls making them forget how to feel.
Slaanesh to "go fishing" and offer a little amount of pleasure to attract victims to get them in a spiral of madness that create cults of pain and pleasure.
Only Khorne prefers the direct approach and doesn't not plan to much, he just gives his boons strong AND angry people create a domino effect of crazy people that will fight without fearing dead.

>>714039856
well, khorne does have domain over martial discipline so there would be some urge to stay together... but then again they were wild bastards even back during the War Hounds days.

>Greetings Custodian, can you point us to the Imperial Palace's armoury?
>We are told to defend the Eternity Gate and we need relics to do it

>>714039986
Nurgles approach really reminds me of suffering introducing an evolutionary pressure that provokes a response.
Like he is trying to slowly push his victims to "evolve" into accepting his embrace.

>>714039617
Context? All I know about Word Bearers is that they take chaos worship more seriously than the other traitor legions

>>714005206
>Basically this is why I like Grey Knights, its the literal only muhreen faction free from Primaris nonsense
Their army book is old, they'll become Primaris or Super Primaris too

Kaldor Draigo will return with more purified geneseed and they'll be Custodes tier with Magnus psyker powers

>>714038208
Not to mention all the death guard battles are
>Oh the death guard showed up
>Oh they got their ass kicked
>But everyone died anyway teehee

Every single time

>>714039986
i heard that he plans mainly in tactics and tried to manipulate that one tau and is associated a bit with industry, point is he aint no idiot and thinking he is just a meathead or mindless beats is a bigger fallacy than one would think

>>714040257
Lorgar literally wrote the book that the Imperium's religion is based on. The very concept of the 'God-Emperor' was originally coined by the Word Bearers.
The Emperor hated them for it, and look at the Imperium now.

>>714040257
The Word Bearers are actually the origin of the imperial cult, the religion of the Imperium of Man in 40k.
Their primarch wanted to worship the emperor as a god, and strongly believed that faith was important to help uplift people and keep them together in the wake of tragedy.
The emperor got really pissed off at this because he wanted to FREE mankind of religion, and bombed the word bearer's homeworld for making what would become the equivalent of the Imperiums Holy Bible, First Edition (TM).

And then later, after the heresy, the chaos legions eventually found out that humanity ended up worshiping the Emperor as a God anyways.
Lorgar's original desire was fulfilled.
Lorgar (preheresy) won, in the end.

>>714040257
They worship big E as god during the crusade, Emp believed faith fuels chaos and punished them by razing their home planet , which turned them into chaos worship out of spite and kickstart the heresy.
Some of them decided that the razing was just big E showing some tough love, stayed loyal and started the Imperial Cult from their old religious writings

>>714039449
>>714039617
How does he fall at least in HH slop? His idol city is destroyed after YEARS of everyone including the Emperor telling him to cut this shit. But the job is given to Ultrasmurfs so they do it by minimizing the casualties as much as they can, sure it's horrible, but it's not grimdarkderp horrible.
This UNEXPECTED event causes him to discard his old "faith" after days of moping around (which speaks a lot about how strong it was in his personal case) and begin a search for a new one. So how begins his crusade for a new faith? Well. he recreates the destruction of his idol city of course, because PARALLELS SO DEEP. He does that by completely genociding a planet that was ready for integration into the Imperium of all life.
How does he repay the Smurfs for destroying his pet project personally? By backstabbing them during what he styled as a a reconcilation between bros (a major retcon for the old lore, where a big part of the reason why the Smurfs became dominant after the Heresy was that they came out of it relatively unscathed). One traitor WB straight up tells his Ultramarine almost-bro how envious he is of him because Smurfs and many others have REAL Primarchs while the WBs ended up with a drama queen they are biologically compelled to adore.

>>714040257
The Word Bearers simply worship the one true old faith, not the lie of a warlord who is hellbent subjugating the universe.

The pantheon are humanity's true masters for they reward and acknowledge the faithful instead of denying them.

>>714040195
The funny is that they don't evolve: when The Khan defeated Mortarion on the Siegue of Terra, the Death Guard became self-aware for a little amount of time and they began to despair again because their link to Nurgle was broken.
>>714040328
Khorne is doing something/has a plan for Commander Farsight, because when he Farsight fought a tzeentch demon, it says that Khorne has his eyes on him, so him planning to corrupt someone is the exception.

>>714040692
he is sort of left adrift after the bombing because now he doesn't think the emperor is worth worshipping.
His two big bad traitor members lead him on a pilgrimage to cadia, which was full of primitives who worshipped chaos at the time.
He was lured by a calling in the warp throughout all of this.
Anywars, this old woman on cadia awho was a shaman addressed him by name, welcomed him to cadia, and gave him visions of the original fall of the eldar along with some lies.
They basically said the fall of the eldar was because they didnt accept the "primordial truth" of chaos and that Slaanesh TOTALLY felt really SAD about killing all the eldar when it emerged.

>>714041003
such is nurgles way. cycles of stagnancy

>>714041003
true but he is still a tactics guy, he doesnt manipulate stuff for the most part but still knows his shit about war beyond blood

>>714040705
based word bearer rper
>>714040461
>>714040523
>>714040618
damnit im officially a word bearer fan
hilarious

>>714041053
the fall is more complicated than that, and the visions came from the eye of terror to a group of word bearers that got fused with demons.
but it was a series of visions of the past and future and lies, yeah.

>>714040257
>Lorgar believes Faith is an integral and important aspect of life
>Lorgar uses Faith to conquer and subjugate planets, notably the planets taken by the Word Bearers were all exceedingly loyal and contributed greatly to the Crusade, but Lorgar's methods are slower than the typical 'Bomb everyone who dares look at us wrong' most other Primarchs use
>Emperor hates Faith and doesn't give a fuck about how loyal the planets are since he can judt bomb them anyway
>Lorgar tries to show his love for the Emperor by building a giant city-church to him called Monarchia
>Emperor gets fed up with it and personally arrives with Roboute Guilliman
>He then psychically forces Lorgar and the Word Bearers to kneel and watch as he orders Guilliman to raze Monarchia to the ground, telling Lorgar to stop caring about the people they're conquering and just conquer them
>Lorgar's faith gets utterly shattered and leaves him nearly catatonic for a while
>In come Erebus and Kor Phaeron, Lorgar's two top Lieutenants who both happen to be Chaos worshippers, who introduce him to Chaos worship
>The three of them then cause the Horus Heresy to happen. 90% of what happens in it is by their design, including Horus' own death later on.
>Thousands of years later Imperial scholars find Lorgar's original book detailing his faith in the Emperor
>The book eventually becomes the cornerstone of the modern Imperial Faith
>The Emperor is now worshipped as a God just as Lorgar originally intended, tortured forever on the Golden Throne by the faith he vehemently tried to deny.

>>714040257
They are the source of the most holy text of Big E divinity and at the same time source of the most corrupt and esoteric text worshipping the Chaos gods.
So powerful are Lorgar holy words (be for the Emperor or chaos)
That theyvcause madness to mortals and demons alike.
So they are the source of the destruction of the Emperors dream and the origin of the modern theological Imperium

>>714041197
Word Bearers are the best traitor legion and the only reason they're underutilized is because the main writer for Chaos in 40k has colossal daddy issues and wants to shill Abaddon.

>>714040705
Yeah, I know I've read that shit. The old woman was young (the old woman was a witch who helped "cure"/corrupt Horace on another planet) she got violently possessed by a demon. Lorgar went to get his "groundbreaking revelations" ("we wiil fucking kill you if you don't get the memo" and "I am the demon who speaks both truth and lies at the same time but this moment is special so I am gonna tell only truth plz believe me, The truth is that you must suck Chaos dick, ok?") only after he allowed the demon to take a bunch of his loyal subjects as sacrifices (some died horribly, some became possessed). Through all the bad stuff the bald nigger would subject his most faithful he would assure them he only had the Galaxy's best interests at heart. If he isn't a complete manbaby it's because he's partly a manipulative demon no better than his mentors.

Quick heads up for TTS fans, You might wanna download the series because GW is being triple niggers again and Bruva doesn't wanna risk the channel over it.

>>714042278
Meant to reply to >>714041053

>>714042289
It's still hilarious to me that TTS got shut down right as they were starting the Eldar plot.

>>714042289
thanks for the reminder. I checked my archives and I am missing the last two videos.

>>714042289
>>714042774
also, a lot of the videos are up on here.
https://archive.org/details/warhammer40ktts
not all of them, I think.
but most.

>>714042494
>Ynnead Eldar Death God kills it's own plot line before it can ever truly be "born"
Meta narrative kino

Also, Bananatodes believed the Word Bearers when they told them that one of the Golden dudes died because a bunch of normal cavemen on shrooms went mad and murdered a power-armored super-supersoldier while a Primarch and small army of supersoldiers were around, kek.

>>714042982
Appreciate it anon, was about to just YTDL the whole playlist and brick my internet for the next 24 hours

>>714043228
yeah, looks like they have a full torrent for the video collection as well in case someone wants a personal copy.
I am going to compare quality and take whatever is better for my own collection.

FUCK. I never archived Warhams.
Better fucking do that as well just in case.

>>714018942
Here's my codex stash for 10e, /tg/ is a bunch of fags that make you jump through hoops because they're so deathly scared of being DMCA'd by GW. Fuck that reddit colony.

https://mega.nz/folder/fngh2QgK#xUGrmVGrDQtyeTGVzlvAHA

Not all of them are high quality scans but even after going over /tg/'s crap it's the best you're going to get.

>>714043398
did they finish Warhams? I stopped seeing vids after a while and assumed they dropped it because it wasn't popular.

>>714043494
Yes. you got niggered by youtubes algorithms deciding your interest or even subscription didnt matter. It was a good finish for their campaign.

>>714043461
nice.
damn... I remember I once was almost done putting together a formalized codex for the angry marines for 9th edition. Specifically it was a template for that army builder software a lot of people used.
I was consulting with a fairly experienced player for balance to make up for the differences in the 1d4chan joke codexes for..... 7th and 8th.
But then 10th dropped and with some other things that killed my interest.
shame I lost it.

>>714042494
Just like the Rise of the Ynnari/Eldar novels :).
I think eldar work best with other races or as support characters because instead to being mysterius dicks, when theyre alone theyre just pretentious boring dicks.

>>714043805
Valedor is one of the best 40k books ever produced.
The problem with Eldar is literally just Thorpe being a petty faggot because Haley wrote them way better than him.

>>714043701
of fucking course Youtube would. I'll have to check the rest out later.

>>714043701
Even though I collect the 10e codexes, the actual game looks like raw aids to play if you ask me.
>Tons of unnecessary time wasting rolling (advance checks being the worst offender imo, there's no reason to have a 1-6in movement swing difference when you could just say a unit gains 1.5x its movement in inches rounded up or some shit)
>You either stand units behind LoS breaking cover, or they are getting tabled, there's basically no in between
>IGOUGO cancer
>Wargear options have literally no points cost and some of them offer a pure and objective objective upgrade, so GW is pretty much literally P2Wing players by making them buy plastic army man gear to slap on their plastic army mans
>Probably more stuff I don't know about
I hear it has been reduced in tactical complexity compared to prior editions but I couldn't tell you for a fact, I only started getting into wargaming around the time 10e came out so I'm just looking at it mostly objectively as I have no horse in the race. I just like wargames and think 10e kind of sucks compared to many I've checked out.

>>714044417
It is a slow game. Especially when you don't have all the rules stuck in your head and keep needing to consult things.
Veteran players play a much faster game than novices just in terms of not needing to look up what to roll and how to interpret the rolls.

>>714043902
Yes, but like I say, they can't carry novels alone like other "minor factions" with not many books like necrons or the Tau.
They're there with the genestealers cults and now Votann (I didn't read their solo book but since there are no new more books, I suppose they got the Eldar treatment too) as "support" races

>>714043461
Much appreciated anon.

>>714044539
NTA, but that sounds awfully similar to "Space Marines/Imperial Guard need enemies to be in their books otherwise they are boring". Like, yeah. I'd argue that Thorpe's Path trilogy, PL books and some stories (I can name Dark Son) have a lot of cool stuff in them and they are primarily about Eldar. Of those I mainly hate Path of the Seer because its girl protag is a bitch worse than Jain Zar.
An old novel "Farseer" has a titular character as pretty much a second protagonist (first is a Rogue Trader) and he is pretty cool without any of DoW Macha's "mysteriously shoots herself in the foot, tells Gabe he doesn't understand and to look for the signs".

There's also plenty of great Eldar stuff in the Dark Eldar stories like Path of DE trilogy and related stories or the novel about Lukas where DE have like half of the story being told from the POV.

>>714044525
>It is a slow game
What bugs me about it foundationally (and which I forgot to mention in my prior post) is the low level of interactivity it has between players. Any interactivity solely comes from the Strategem economy, but beyond that it's literally
>sit for 20+ minutes while other player moves all his mans, then shoots with all his mans, then charges with all his mans, then maybe melees with all his mans, while you occasionally say "erm akshyually, overwatch :^)"
>you do the same to him
Even if you could instantly resolve all the hit rolls and wound checks and save checks, the opposing player still has to sit there watching you manage your ENTIRE army before he moves and manages his ENTIRE army, with basically only 1 and sometimes 2 interactivity points. And like I said, the Advance rolls is just straight up egregious, because you could very easily eliminate that roll since Advance rolls mostly add nothing to the game except time spent rolling, since using an Advance precludes (in general) Shooting and Charges. At least Charge rolls provide an element of uncertainty that can make units potentially threatening if they aren't dealt with, which makes the roll worth having in place.
>Hmm there's this melee unit that will be around 9in away from my shooty squad next turn. Do I ignore it and take the risk of him getting the Charge, or do I focus them now before they become a threat, at the cost of ignoring another unit?
You don't get that with Advance rolls.

But by and large it's mostly IGOUGO being cancer. When played at the scale 40k can be played at, especially when you have horde armies with tons of Hormagaunts or Ork Boyz or whatever, it is just a snorefest to play through.

>>714045907
I much prefer systems like Xenos Rampant which basically has units make an activation roll and if they fail it, the turn gets passed to your opponent. This creates tension during your turn, because at any point turning your turn, you could flub a roll and your opponent could get an opportunity to move or shoot with a vital unit. Sure, sometimes you'll get dumb moments like he flubs then you flub then he flubs again, but the tension still exists because you can't 100% count on any tactical action being performed to its completion, and the opponent has every incentive to keep careful eye on what you're doing to figure out points where he could throw a wrench into things if he happens to get the reigns back. It just leads to far more exciting and interactive gameplay imo, and I really wish 40k would do something like that, but that would require game designers, not plastic cocaine pushers.

Calth is justice.

>>714044539
>I didn't read their solo book but since there are no new more books, I suppose they got the Eldar treatment too)
Fun fact; the guy infamous for writing awful Eldar books is the guy they got to write the Votann book.
And guess what? It fucking sucked.

>>714046490
Calth was an act of self defense

>>714046490
no one fuckin died in monarchia erebus-san

>Word Bearers
Cringe

>>714045636
I suppose I will give the Eldar novels a try, the Path Of series was on my radar, but the Rise novels game my a bad taste and that farseer seems interesting.
Ty for the recommendation anon, I will give the Eldar 1 more opportunity

>>714026647
Now that’s cope

>>714026647
had*

>>714046490
>>714046567
>Catch ultramarines by total surprise
>Hold literally every conceivable advantage
>Still lose
So this is the power of KEKos

>>714046575
There was a death at Monarchia, one single death, the most important death in the histort of the galaxy.
One man, who died amidst the flames that tore down the city fit for a God.
That man was Lorgar, forced to kneel as all he worked for was destroyed before his very eyes by the man he dedicated that work to.
Thus did Lorgar's death lead to the birth of a new man, one who emerged from a womb of ash and embers. A man named Lorgar, who was not the same as Lorgar the man who died, but who held the same steadfast conviction in his heart. A conviction which led him to bring about the burning of an Emperor's dream, just as that Emperor had burned Lorgar's dream.

>I hate psykers
Is actually a psyker and becomes an uber psyker shitting diarrhea and stinks to the high heavens
>I will warn the Emperor through the Warp
Destroys the Webway project and floods the Imperial Palace with daemons
>I killed my adoptive sister and Daddeh doesn't love me
Turns traitor instantly, Emperor probably didn't know of his adoptive family
>I picked up a Chaos blade and Daddeh didn't care
Chops off one of his brother's head and tried to kill another to ascend into daemonhood
>ITS OGRE, WE'RE ALL DOOMED
Turns traitor and flays humans alive
>raised by Malcador all of their lives
Turns traitor, just as planned

>>714047069
very poetic lorgar, you didn't actually die though
whiner

>>714047072
>raised by Malcador all of their lives
>Turns traitor, just as planned
Or did they

>>714047018
Their goal wasn't to wipe out the Ultras, it was to royally fuck Calth and put it to the torch just like how the Ultras torched Monarchia. They also intended to keep the Ultras out of the Siege of Terra.
Both objectives were a total success.

>>714047069
CAW CAW CAW CAW CAW LORGAR CAW CAW CAW CAW CAW CAW

>>714047371
Reminder that Lorgar is casually meditating in his big ass tower and all Corvus can do is occasionally peck the windows.

>>714047420
sitting around doing fuckin nothing is all chaos undivided ever does

>>714047407
>Everyone says Blood Ravens are TSons
>When they're clearly Word Bearers
Funny stuff.

>>714047486
Anon what else would you have Lorgar do? He already won.

>>714047508
They're psykers, not religious fanatics

>>714047363
>W-winning wasn't our goal
Smells like cope, which is what KEKos and the word jobbers have been doing for 10,000 years
>>714047420
He's meditating on how corvus will SMASH and SLAM him the moment he steps outside

>>714047629
They're kleptomaniacs, that's what they are.

>>714047629
Lorgar was also a Psyker, anon.
And BRavens are obssessed with finding relics to try and piece together their own past, i.e. they're trying to discover the truth while clinging to pseudo-holy icons.

>>714047825
>And BRavens are obssessed with finding relics
other chapters gear

>>713992604 (OP)
Coming back to/v/ videogames, I want to play Rogue Trader with any other origins than a psyker for RP reasons, but the gameplay of a psyker opens so many possibilities that not playing as one seems underwhelming but I already did my psyker run.
>>714047407
RIP Blood ravens, they deserved a better sendoff

>>714048041
>RIP Blood ravens, they deserved a better sendoff
W-what happened to them?

>>714046680
Don't read the Path books. They suck outside of some background Eldar lore.

>>714048089
Nothing happun, they still around.

>>714048089
Pic released and the possibility of a new dow game or the blood raves being protagonist of any game are insignificant.
>>714048116
I love 40k lore so I'm gonna give 1 Path book a try and if is really bad then fuck them.

>>714016420
>girl
no

>>714048226
>>714048639
Oh, from his tone I wasn't sure if he meant they had some jobber role in some random book I hadn't cared to read. Yeah, RIP DoW.

>>714010594
gayest post
>>713996686
>Primaris marked a distinct turning point in GW's writing from "The Imperium is evil and does horrible things just like most everyone else in the galaxy, constantly on the verge of collapse under its own bloated weight" to "The Space Marines are the honorable defenders of Mankind who are valiant and noble on their campaigns to protect humanity alongside their side-kicks among the Imperium". Marines went from being freakish supersoldier monsters operating under their own wildly variable codes of ethics into being basic bitch Good Guys
Space marines have been portrayed as heroes for decades. GW has had its cake and eaten it too with the Imperium/marines for most of 40k history.

>>714050293
no, the smurfs were the heroes.
they were balanced out by the likes of the black templars.

>>714050407
They have also been heroic though

>>714042289
>they're at it again
No wonder Sodaz took off to do Project Sunburst because these fucking angloid niggers just can't seem to take a hint.

>>714050571
>people mispronounced a vowel while singing the emperors hymns
>found out everyone does this on the planet
>planet glassed for HERESY
mmmmhm yes. very heroic.
(Crusaders of Dorn)

>>714050727
Literally when do they do this

>>714050906
which short story

>>714050727
>say words
>money stolen

>>714051161
checking through it, give me a minute or two

>>714051161
>>714051264
The first one, circle of honor.
I was mistaken though. they did not glass the planet.
they rounded up everyone and built cages to burn them alive in.
its a brief mention.

>>714050727
the templars are a perfect example of what I mean.
you've got silly 'super heckin evil religious chuds' sometimes, but then you have noble heroes like Grimaldus at Helsreach other times.

GW doesn't care about the mixed message of their product.

>>714017308
me > you

>>714051497
the problem people have is they seem to be shifting away from the mixed message.

>>714051594
They're simultaneously whitewashing the Imperium in universe to be more progressive, while condemning the Imperium in real life for fear of racism or fascism.
Considering how the political climate is changing, I wonder if 40k will finally converge into "yes its racist and that's a good thing" within a decade or two.

>>714051958
Honestly I don't doubt that, they seem to not have really committed to the whole femstodes thing and more likely than not will quietly sweep it under the rug. The Uk is pretty cucked though with people getting locked up for mean posts on twitter while immigrants are able to rape and murder with little consequence but who knows if the brits grow some balls perhaps we will see that come to pass
>>714051460
in the story you mentioned while they are killing them the one it centers around spares the woman and children so they aren't all murderous fanatics

>>714051497
Media literates are truly amusing. Trench crusade is even more egregious than this when it has the forces of the church fighting the literal armies of hell but they are still going yeah bro both sides bad

>>714052921
>so they aren't all murderous fanatics
I missed the part where anyone said that they were.

>>714053348
Orks are the good guys
They just want a propa scrap

>>714052921
And don't forget their housing shortage and economic decline coupled with an unsolvable debt crisis that will mean cutting public services and increasing taxes. So long as those exist there is a 100% chance that the Brits will do something, because they aren't going to have an alternative.
>>714053064
Demons have human rights too, CHUD

>>713996687
>>713996787
>>713996454
The OP picture is biologically male. So it's clearly a Slaaneshi marine masquerading as a loyalist marine!

>>713993909
Yes.

>>714033990
We need W40k Imperium of Man vs Orks on the Dagor engine (Enlisted/War Thunder Engine). The engine is more than capable of handling 200+ infantry and 10-20 tanks rendered and functional on a single instance, the terrain is semi destructible+deformable (buildings would need to be made destructible tho, lots of work). Even better is that the engine can simulate realistic armor penetration and deflection calculations in real time so lots of unique combined arms things can be done with that. Even better is that they already have mech walkers set up in Enlisted due to an april fools event so it's just the issue of getting W40k assets to paste over already made mechanics.

>>714046680
Also, check "Snares and Delusions" and "Deathwatch: Swordwind" short stories. In them the Craftworlders are antagonists to the pov characters but they are straight up menace in those without any drama involved.

>>714048639
And try reading Path of the DARK Eldar if you don't like "Path of the Craftworlder" anyway. Despite being similarly called they are by another author and most people actually like them. I personally rate them much higher.

>>714018405
'Matt Ward is a chaos cultist'

bump

>>714056467
Magnus WOULD be into that kind of shit, wouldn't he.

>>714061948
>BROTHER I HAVE FOUND A MOST PECULIAR SPELL, LET ME TRY IT ON YOU
>what, no!
>TOO LATE

>>713992604 (OP)
Dawn of War 1 and 2. RTS games. Gives you an overview of the factions.
Space Marine 1 and 2. 3rd person action. Gives you an understanding of Space Marines.
Darktide. 1st person action game for playing 40k operators.

>>713992604 (OP)
Go play the campaign for Dawn of War: Dark Crusade with every faction and you'll get a good idea of what it's all about.