Thread 714002659

why does AI makes them seethe so much?

>>714002659 (OP)
Saars...

they just borrowed someone else's work for a bit, what's the problem

>>714002659 (OP)
It’s because AI content is soulless. Jewish and brown people don’t have souls so they can never comprehend what soul is

>>714002659 (OP)
autism.

>>714003404
>It’s because AI content is soulless
nope, you just have autism

>>714003502
autistic people love AI though?

>>714003502
Your skin is the color of my shit and you have no soul. You will never be white and beautiful

Some of the NPC portraits looked like generic A.I slop. Its a bit annoying but I wouldn't say game ruining.

"fans" SLAM *literally who* game!
kys NIGGERFAGGOT

>>714003619
post ten

>>714003626
spoken like a real sperg

>>714003626
>Racism
Cringe autist

Let's all hang out and play Switch while our partners (female) vacation in Jamaica ahh image

>>714002659 (OP)
Do you have to disclose every tool you use to make a game or is AI singled out because lefties hate it for "moral" reasons?

>>714004350
Why do browns insult white culture like being cucks pedos and animal rapists?

>>714004228

ChatGPT wrote this

>>714002659 (OP)
I hate Indians.

I have anti-AI fatigue

>>714004520
I love that the AI disclosure requirement makes jeets seethe like trannies that aren't let into the women's bathroom

Why do browns get so upset when you don't like AI?

>>714004908
Answer the question leftycuck

>>714004998
whiter than you, karen

entire thread is people accusing others of what they are guilty of

>>714002659 (OP)
it's a slop sign, just shows the developers are lazy and don't give a shit, and are probably indians.
you literally have devs just prompting chatgpt and copypasting it into the game without even reading

dropped

>>714002659 (OP)
>makes

>>714002659 (OP)
Heres the thing dude if you want to use AI go ahead but if you want to use AI and still make your games full price you can suck a fat cock since you're saving time and money with AI

>>714004520
its just AI because normies are afraid of the basilisk.

The AI derangement syndrome is funny as hell.

>>714002791
Argentina confirmed as brownest country in hispanoamerica.

>>714005648
Now i can really imagine the reaction of people to the first combustion motor vehicles.

>>714002659 (OP)
I'm not paying for AI generated content. No ifs, ors or buts. I'd rather generate my slop myself.

>>714005669
AI is aryan however

If a human couldn't be bothered to create it, why should I bother buying it?

>>714005025
>Turning the AI debate into left vs right faggotry
Watcha doin rabbi?

>>714004520
there are ongoing legal battles to determine how AI fits in with the copyright laws in america. Until its settled its a good idea to disclose AI use to cover your own ass, in case the AI images/text pull too closely to existing art without you knowing.

>>714005838
GOOD MORNANG SIR

>>714004520
Non-AI tools do not have the risk of accidentally plagiarizing.

But to your point, yes its very common for games (and any software) to disclose what tools they used.

>>714005801
the same happened with theatre musicians in the 1920's when the cinemas started using recordings. Same derangement and arguments too

>>714004520
>Do you have to disclose every tool you use to make a game
They are always in the credits. So yes, yes you do.

Imagine going into life-ruining debt to get a bachelor's degree from some Devry campus so you can ruin videogames out of lunatic spite, only to find the makework positions you'd hoped to occupy will soon be made redundant by outsourced pajeet slaves and generative AI tools.
It must be like a living nightmare. They have to make rules in their trannycords not to even mention the existence of generative AI or you'll be permanently banned.

i have never heard of this game outside of shilling threads here on /v/

Low effort slop isn't getting any money from me. Eat shit

>>714002659 (OP)
That is so fucking gay. I already hate reading lore slop datalogs in games for being a waste of time, but these dickheads can't even be bothered to spend the time to write it?! But want players to spend time reading it?! This is the ULTIMATE final form of the very concept of "slop". Fuck these devs.

>>714006276
This but applied to the whole software industry.

>Writing you meant to read and pay attention to is made a machine cause the devs are too fucking lazy to right.

How the fuck can you defend this? why would anyone pay for this crap?

>>714004520
To be fair vidya is a creative medium and outsourcing creativity is kinda bad. If the article's headline is anything to go by they not only did not double-check their text but they also didn't disclose it in accordance with Steam's requirements.

Oh, I'm actually fucking pissed off about this.
I enjoyed The Alters.
Will do more research to find out what exactly has been proven to be AI based.

I refuse to pay

>>714006276
Imagine defending worthless slop just because it owns terminally online trannies that don't even make up one percent of the population.
>muh lefties
Shalom

>>714006718
The lowest one still being at 30% is grim as fuck.

Also I'm pretty sure China economy mogs every country at the bottom except the US

>>714002659 (OP)
Everyone's selling assets for game in a box asset flips now. They're mad some devs refuse to buy old TV models.

>>714007337
Google search for "per capita" and be educated on why every statistic you think you understand is a lie.

>>714007605
Pure copeita is a nazi incel BS whites invented to make BIPOC BAME look bad

>>714004109
Post 10 autistic people who enjoy AI to prove autists love AI? I guess you're one of them so we're 10% there lmao
Autistics can't hold an actual conversation with a real human to save their lives so of course they love their chat bots that let them ask whatever they want in ways that would make normal people stop interacting with them.

>>714007278
Imagine not having a collection of artist friends who would give you art for free or for a case of beer.

>>714007337
>china economy mogs
didn't they almost have a total economic collapse in 2020 because of shady chink escapades in their real estate and banking sectors and constant tug of wars between national and local government

>>714007938
>any day now, just like late stage capitalism

>>714007915
>collection of artist friends
Sorry I don't frequent tranny places, my friends circle have actual jobs.

>>714007915
>trying to jew your way to getting free art from your friends of all people
I can understand wanting to spite no-talent hateful devs but be a better friend to people you actually like anon.

I'm mad I shilled and talked about this game here, bros. Fuck AIslop and fuck AIsloppers. I expected better from these Poles.

>>714007938
difference in semantics. i think he means how chinas economy is simply bigger and has a higher GDP than every other country besides the US. not the quality of their economy like what you’re trying to say

It's just background text on monitors, who cares

>>714007915
>getting free shit from friends who already suffer from a industry in a rough spot
I'm glad I don't have friends like you.

>>714006718
Chinese are a White race

>>714002659 (OP)
AI sucks and is a waste of electricity & water and WILL be pushed by techbros into creating a data-harvesting surveillance state and completely ruins the internet.

I cannot wait for total model collapse and every single wealth extracting "tech" company to go bankrupt when the AI bubble collapses. I don't AI to take my job, take all my friend's job, flood the internet with slop, and jack up everyone's utility bills so some faggot can generate and image of a chick with 7 fingers and some AI generated ragebait. Billions of dollars for a stock photo generator. Incredible use of limited resources.

Using AI for anything practical is just stupid Its way more fun to funpost with AI like make Mario fight Leon S Kennedy or something or to coom to Ai fucking sucks especially if you use it for coding and writing

>>714002659 (OP)
For the bottom 40% of skill and intellect, AI winning in a space is existentially threatening the way a tiger moving into your house would be existentially threatening.

The thing that kept shitters employed was
>idk we can have 'em make unimportant icons or shade textures for pre-baked lighting on physics props, or write non-quest store NPC lines or make variations on leafs or whatever
You just gave them all the scutwork where the difference between exceptional work and okay work was essentially irrelevant, it was just pass/no-pass shit you just had to do.

If AI can handle these use cases, there isn't really any use for them anymore, and they either need to
1. move down the company value chain to justify their pay (eg longer hours, lame double duty responsibilities like "you're the playtester/bathroom cleaner", or "it's not just scutwork, but work so unpleasant that historically we couldn't get people to consistently take it"),
2. give up their good pay and change fields to one that pays shittier but will still have them, or
3. accept obsolescence and mcfucking die

Far easier to scream and shake the chains when you see the tiger coming than wait till you have to fight the tiger.

>>714005801
>>714006237


I think the even funnier thing is that many of these people are the same people who’ll criticise you if you say immigration takes jobs or show any kind of skepticism for modern science and tech.

Seeing them become militant Luddites just because they realised that AI could make THEM redundant and undermine the Ivory Tower culture behind art is hilarious.

>>714008373
>who cares
ideological zealots, normal people don't care

>>714008373
If it's so irrelevant, then why did they need to use AI slop on it? Why not just have nothing in it at all?
No, don't buy it. This is horse armor all over again. I don't care how small it seems. I am not paying for AIsloppa.
Letting them do any of this shit without consequence is letting them get the foot on the door.

>>714004520
How about instead of focussing on the non disclosure you focus on the fact that clearly no human being proof-read the fucking text afterwards

>>714002659 (OP)
>why do lions make zebras seethe so much
figure it out

>>714004520
Yes usually all programs and assets used are required to be put in the credits. Very common shit.

>>714008373
yeah who cares they were too lazy to even fucking remove the prompt from the text, fuck having standards nigga

>>714002659 (OP)
Teby fear the superority

>>714008829
No-one cares what the fuck you want nor think fag. I hope more devs and shit do it more just because it makes impotent, powerless losers like you really upset.

>>714009245
>I want games to be lazier and shitter
Why?

>>714008091
They have jobs but some of them are in fact trannies, often friends of friends. The ones I acknowledge and mostly chill.

>>714008112
It's fine because I give them even more free shit all the time. I have a basically a patronage with my one artist friend with the amount of times I bailed them out money wise or just giving them advice, including helping them pay off some of their student debt. If I was actually exploiting them they would rightly dump me.

>>714008449
Most of them do art as a hobby and have actual jobs. A lot of them do it as a birthday gift. Even the people who do art as a side hustle are more than happy to draw a character of mine, more so if I'm in a campaign with them and they fall in love with said character. I also DO pay them, or try too, but they often just offer to do it for free themselves or just draw a character of mine unprompted.

>>714002659 (OP)
If I'm buying a game, I want it to be made by people from the ground-up (I don't care if good code is copy/pasted over, code being as gatekept as it is is autistic)
If this is not about a vidya and what's within it, who cares

>>714009245
Do you also wish for white genocide cause it makes "losers" seethe?

>>714008689
The bigger issue is that the average person doesn't care if art is marginally worse(when they can even tell) so they'll shrug their shoulders when corporations look to increase profits by 2%. Your average mouthbreather has no standards and has been trained for their entire lives to give a thumbs up and bend over when a company fucks them to increase their profits slightly. This is not unique to art or AI, this happened everywhere In the end art will get worse and consumer prices will not come down but you enjoy that so you post a heckin tiger while you watch the cock coming to fuck you in the ass, pretending you're on the same team as the guy who releases the tiger.

>>714002659 (OP)
I am not against it, I'm using it on my job all the time as well. I'm looking forward to the time where I am not dependent on these faggots anymore and can just create whatever I want myself

>>714008829
In old times devs just copy pasted random news articles.
https://tcrf.net/Persona_4/Unused_Graphics#Texture_Oddities

>fans
all 5000 of them?

I have 30+ hours on this game. Hope Valve still lets me refund it. I said it's cause of undisclosed AI.

>>714009384
>If I was actually exploiting them they would rightly dump me.
fair

>>714009642
based
I am never buying a 11bit game ever again
These were my favorite Polish devs too, unironically. I made a couple of posts on /v/ to the effect of "These dudes are better than the open world sloppers of CDPR and War Horse". Turns out they were worse.

Why do people have such a hard time understanding that AI doesn’t need to replace real artists and that it’s instead a tool to be used?

This is like complaining about CGI in movies all over again.

>>714002659 (OP)
>>714004520

The average person is barely sentient cattle and probably does not even know what AI does for development.

Just check the replies from them in this thread

>>714009797
But CGI has fucked movies in massive ways.
Effects still don't look anywhere as good as 80s.

>>714009797
>He thinks I hate AIslop because I'm worried about artist livelihoods
I'm not interested in supporting anything that has AI in it because I know for a fact it enshittifies everything the more it succeeds.

And CGI still looks like dogshit to this day, so you aren't doing a great job convincing me otherwise with that example. I remember when movies had actual sets and miniatures. Random shit like Judge Dredd from the 90s, a horrible movie, had more effort and SOVL in it than any sci-fi shit produced in the past two decades.

>>714009936
When did it become cool to be pro corpo?

>>714009936
how is it poisoning a black community in tennessee?

>>714010098
Gas-powered generators built to power it

>>714009958
>>714010001
CGI is often used for things like lasers and other effects that are just difficult to do practically. Plus, you also have animated movies that are done with 100% CGI.

>>714002659 (OP)
using AI to make stuff like that usually shows a complete lack of care, which is further emphasized by the fact that a lot of these AI slop creators don't edit any of it and leave it extremely obvious mistakes like the prompt responses highlighted in the OP picture

Someone who gives a shit about what they're making won't use AI like that, simple as

>>714009518
>you post a heckin tiger while you watch the cock coming to fuck you in the ass
>implying
The moment I saw AI was going to be significant I started a business so I can be on the correct side of the tiger. It's a choice to have skill issues, and it's a choice to go quietly into that good night.

You don't need to be as dramatic, you just need to not be working in pure "pass/no pass" workspaces. If the quality of your work does not matter sufficiently that much such that being 2% better or worse goes unnoticed then yeah, AI at some point is gonna fuck you in the ass. Take and skill up towards jobs where people care about your outputs.

>>714010204
animated movies became worse when they changed to CGI

Hypocritical artfags who don't understand how LLM work in the first place and think only that their cub porn patreons won't get as much money if people can generate images easier. This is not really the case, any more than how the market for commissioning an artist to paint a fucking mural in your sitting room is an entirely different demographic from being able to go to the store and buy an off the shelf print somewhere. If these fags had their way you wouldn't be able to get anything made of metal or glass if it wasn't made by a blacksmith or glass blower. The accusation of
>BUT STEEEEELING FROM MEEEEEEE IS DOING HARM
is nonsense, as the LLM is a tool that does the exact same process an artist - it isn't duplicating any work, but if I go see some fag's deviantart page where Goku is wearing Sailor Moon's outfit, it means that fag had to both understand what "Goku" and "Sailor Moon" in order to transpose one to the other, and create something new from that understanding, thus a derivative work . The AI/LLM does the same fucking thing based on its training data. The only difference is we can't crack the artfag's head open and see that in fact, their conception of Sailor Moon came from fansubs and pirated manga and thus needs to be charged eleventy billion dollars in IP infraction penalties - which is what the industry wants and artfags are useful idiots.

In trying to make this shit illegal or heavily restricted it means that only megacorps who can throw money around will get the benefit of AI and it will be proprietary and centralized. Worse, it means that we'd never have the benefit more widely; if this happened to fucking search engines they never would have been able to be useful in the first place This is basically self interested AI fags who will throw everyone and the tech under the bus, to benefit only the megacorps and IP cartels, if they think they can get a payoff. Fuck everything about this.

>>714009797
>movie CGI
This is possibly the worst example you could have given man. Even when practical special effects looked janky they had character when they were the norm. Look at The Thing and its remake and ask yourself what the fuck you're thinking.

>>714010373
>Saaar I like 2d animation saaaar I prefer cel animation bring back cel animation.

>>714010243
this is the correct take
it's literal laziness and lack of passion. I'm not interested in supporting a dev who isn't interested in building his own game

>>714010140
>>714010098
Musk's (and indeed all Western generative AI) is incredibly wasteful. My local electric company turned on three new power plants just to mine bitcoin and run AI projects AND raised my rates

>>714010512
When have Indians ever liked 2D animated movies?
Go suck a cock.

>>714002659 (OP)
>flavour text
i will never in my life read one of those

>>714009245
>I'll eat shit as long as it makes people seethe
How very Indian

AI that can churn out slop + the entire population of india is a literal IK End of the Internet scenario there will be nothing left

The demo was really cool, the game is great. If it makes anti-ai troons mad, I'll buy it.

>nooo a person should have wrote all that flavor text

why?

well just don't expect to realease it at full price if instead of doing your job you depend on randomly generated assets from stolen content

>>714010349
I specifically chose to make art into a hobby instead of a career because it was always tenuous even before AI was a thing. AI could never take over my job in a hundred years but certainly not in the next few decades while I still work.
I don't see you denying that the presence of AI makes art worse and the only thing letting it slide is that the average shitsucker has no actual taste. There's nothing to be dramatic about, AI sucks because it makes the end products that I see and get sold to me worse at no reduction of cost. It's the same as phone companies outsourcing to pajeets for customer service to give you a worse experience to make slightly more profits. People like you have been trained to ride the cock and thank it for the opportunity.

>>714010814
if the flavor text is important enough to include, why wouldn't you hand write it?

>>714005834
This. If you're generating slop for your game then knock off 80% of the price. I only pay for human made content.

>>714010382
Stopped reading this post on the first sentence. I don't give a shit about artist's livelihoods and commissions. You're shadowboxing.

I'm not supporting AIslop because it's lower effort, lower quality, more soulless and the more you accept it and handwave it away, the more you tell the developers that using AI is a competitive advantage and that they are stupid for not using it. It's moving the industry into a worse position of laziness and slop. I want to do the opposite. I am not buying any AIslop and not supporting AIslop so that hopefully it becomes a competitive advantage to NOT use it.

I'm glad I hadn't bought this game yet and merely had it wishlisted. It's removed from the wishlist now, of course. I'm even happier to read about the anon that is trying to get this refunded and I hope he succeeds. Not disclosing AI should be more than enough to get a full refund no matter the playtime, no questions asked. Hope he gives an update on that.

>>714010814
Why have it all if you can't be fucked to write it?

>>714010893
redditors only noticed because a prompt was left behind by accident.

>>714010893
AIphobes will just result in there being no easter eggs or flavortext, thanks. Much better.

>>714010974
that doens't answer the question
if the flavor text is so important to the game's lore and setting, why would it not be hand written?

>>714002659 (OP)
Human beings are appaled and disgusted when faced with soullessness.

>>714008293
that's fair, you're right

>>714010098
AI requires a huge amount of power and space to run. If you live near one of these AI computing stations it's like living next to a power plant x 1000.

Isn't this game supposed to be a narrative based survival game? I understand using AI to do repetitive chores in a code editor or maybe even get some background details like posters or textures but for the narrative in a narrative based game? that's just cheap and lazy

>>714011023
Because that takes a tremendous amount of time, when an AI can simply do it automatically. Kind of obvious isnt it.

>>714010986
devs have been doing that since the 90s
Why should I give any praise to lazy shitty modern devs who can't do half the shit 90s devs could do?

>>714011132
ai isn't perfect to a human's vision. the royal you is literally taking liberties to skip effort

Image/audio generation has an obvious usecase. I still don't know what the fuck llms are actually for. How do you package that as a product?

>>714002659 (OP)
It's a small number of autistic faggots that make money selling furry art. Most people do not give a fuck.

>>714011110
It's not for the narrative, it's text on a monitor that you normally wouldn't be able to read without zooming in, the kind of thing that would have just been filled with lorem ipsum otherwise.

>>714010879
>AI sucks because it makes the end products that I see and get sold to me worse at no reduction of cost.
I absolutely agree with this and it's my biggest gripe with AI

>>714007278
you keep talking about paying but never about learning. who the fuck said anything about paying

>>714011102
>>714010607
>>714010140
Oh thanks I probably should've thought of that

>>714008641
I just use AI for coomer text adventures. I Paulmaxxed and cucked Geralt by fucking Yennefer. Geralt was pretty upset

>>714011212
Everyone has been trying to figure that one out for three years now. Its possibly the funniest technology I've ever seen, definitely useful for some stuff but the sheer unpredictability of it makes it extremely hard to forge it into a definite product.

>>714011214
I give a fuck. Youtube is basically unusable now for any kind of educational videos. It's all filled with AI slop churning 50 minute videos six times a week and spamming the algo, and because people don't give a shit these videos actually get tens of thousand or even hundreds of thousands of views.
Shit's fucking unusable now and it will only get worse

>>714011132
So they're lazy/cheap and didn't want to allocate the money and resources to making sure their product was better. Are you on the dev team? Why is it so hard for you to just admit baldly?

I just don't like it. Not gonna pay for it. Not gonna use it.

>>714011267
Then it should have been filled with lorem ipsum. The obvious concern here is that if they used AI on this shit, there's nothing indicating they didn't use AI elsewhere. This is just what they got caught on.

>>714004350
why are you moaning while talking about your girlfriend going to jamaica

If it didn't have "Sure, here's a revised version" at the start you wouldn't know it was AI, that right there disproves any arguments about its use here being "lazy" or "cheap"

>>714010382
>LLM
>Art
At least do a little search to find out what llm stands for anon. You sound like an idiot for using the wrong terms.

>>714011376
based

>>714011381
it's sort of depressing just how bad youtube has gotten.
I have no idea how anyone can defend that shit.

>>714002659 (OP)
>without disclosure
...people have to disclose what software they used when making a product?

>>714010814
>should have wrote

>>714006718
>my country is on the highest spots
fugg

>>714010879
This.
All we will get is the worse product for the same(or even higher) price just so some richfag at the top can get more cash. Miss me with that shit

>>714011535
that's usually what happens in the credits, yes

cause its bullshit made ad propagated by fucking china men

>>714011443
No, it doesn't. Give an inch and they take a mile. It's only gonna keep getting worse and sloppier. And then, by the time it's noticeable on sight, you'll go "LOL GAMES HAVE BEEN DOING THIS FOR A DECADE, WHO CARES?"

Not falling for it, faggot. Not paying for AIslop.

>>714011212
Education primarily. And assistance. My retarded boss uses it constantltly.

>>714002659 (OP)
Artists seethe because the digital immigrants took their job. They don't say the "b" of it though, that they are so lazy to deliver, tried to participate in a few gamedev projects and it's always:
a) writer having burn out, creative block or blatantly self-inserting
b) artists having burn out, creative block or wanting to move to different asset before completing set of the previous asset
c) voice actress ghosting the project

Creative people are fragile, AI has something they lack. Consistency and reliability.

So, same as with immigrants and the people crying about losing jobs to them.

>>714011535
Since always anon. Did you miss the splash screen "powered by unreal engine 5" and all the middlewares they use?

>>714011501
It's more depressing when you see an older person watching that shit without even realizing it's AI. "Well some of it might be true!" Was the response I got after finding a family friend watching ai generated news about fake bullshit. Wikipedia was already shit but just imagine how bad it is now since you KNOW people are pointing sources to Ai generated bullshit articles and "news"

>>714011267
The text was not made by someone with the world in mind so it poisons the meaning of that and any other flavor text. It's bigger than you think it is when it's a narrative product. You probably can't understand and don't care because you just clap your hands at text on a screen and don't think about anything it relates to but stuff like that is meant to inform you of the world and when it becomes clear that that what was written is without any actual narrative consideration it calls into question everything else. Makes it impossible to care about anything in the world when you actually think critically, though that is impossible for you.

>>714009803
This explains why I'm becoming pro trans rights.

>>714008691
>They were all crowing smugly about AI taking away blue collar and other high-value/critical jobs because it would have 'owned' the 'right', smugly told them 'learn to code' and gloated about how great it was gonna be that so many people they hated were gonna be homeless and starve to death
>AI could not do any of those jobs
>It could however, take away 'jobs' like 'patreon grifter porn artist', 'speaking generic anime voice into a mic for butchered/vandalized anime /media localizations and other works', and countless others that are predominantly leftist occupied
>now they screech about AI endlessly and pursue your removal from society if you DARE use it for any reason whatsoever
>can't even learn to code because AI is taking that away too eventually
You LOVE to see it.

>>714002659 (OP)
If your game "needs" AI generated content have you ever thought about not bothering? If you don't feel confident enough to spend the time making something in it, why would you expect paying customers to waste THEIR time engaging with your slop?

These are the people lashing out against AI btw

>>714010879
>makes art worse
I think the question is flawed: It makes non-art faster, it doesn't make art worse.

AI without significant human intervention doesn't give you art as I'd define it, "it creates works that meaningfully inflict emotional or personal insight and are typically of high quality and interest", but it'll happily shit out passing work on the pass/no-pass spectrum of "succeeds at some unremarkable but utilitarian purpose"

Most bottom 40% """"""artists"""""" were not marking "art". They were making pass/no pass icons, cosmetics, doing the work of tweening, etc.

>AI sucks because it makes the end products that I see and get sold to me worse
AI enables you to have that product in the first place. Pic related, gamers and society at large in other non-gaming spaces got to free ride off inflation paying for a free lunch for the better part of two decades where games and software kept getting cheaper and prices didn't go up commensurately. At some point, you can't make a game with traditional methods with the traditional 50-70 buck price range when you've more than halved what that number actually means.

You get around this by either cutting workers, or cutting corners, and you should thank your lucky stars that AI enables both and therefore is mostly getting you out of this dilemma because the alternatives were essentially either "shut down gaming as an industtry", or "new price point for a base game needs to be a hundred bucks".

>>714010962
>SOULLESS HURRRRRR
>SLOP
You are just repeating whatever zoomer buzzwords social media has etched into your brain damage.This is the same shit that happens whenever there's a new technology that makes creation of art and entertainment easier.
>AIEEEEEE YOU MAKE ART WITH COMPUTER HAVE UNDO BUTTON? CIRCLE TOOL!? NOT HAVE TO MIX THE PAINTS! ITS THE END OF ART ITS ALL SLOP
This has literally gone on for hundreds of years since the Enlightenment (there were fights about how artists who didn't spend time paying some master were still being commissioned to make art and therefore diluting it because it was not the norm) and sped up massively with every new technology that was added.

From a vidya standpoint are you similarly pissy about say.. interoperable game engines? They make things easier - Unity, UE, Godot and others as opposed to having to cobble one together from scratch. However, its entirely possible to spend a fuckload of time cobbling together an engine especially when you really didn't know much about it (the PS1-PS3 console era was really visible when this happened) and made worse games because you spent more time just getting the thing to kinda sorta work. Likewise, you can use UE to either make an unoptimized piece of crap that looks like every other asset flip, or you can use it to make something unique which is all the better in terms of performance and features that you didn't have to build an entire engine from scratch. Stop whining about buzzwords and focus on the outcome, not the tools; don't forget there are massive vested interests (including culture warriors of course) who want you to sit on one side or another for stupid as fuck reasons.

>>714011397
Not that guy but most the games I grew up on just had nonsense articles since it was too blurry to read them anyway. It was a lazy way back then of generating assets cheap and efficiently. Even worse was just literally copy pasting real news articles because they knew nobody world be able to tell.

You can't do that anymore since graphics fags would bitch about it.

>>714007280
they shit up my video games and everything else I enjoy and ensure no space exists where I am not subjected to their idiocy so fuck em
I will gladly cheer and watch the world burn down just to see them burn down with it

>>714011758
I got access to the internet from a relatively young age back in the 90's when we got dial up and my mom gave me a talk about how I should not interact with strangers and to not believe everything I read.
A couple months ago she spent days watching videos about how the fat dude from pawn stars got caught with multiple bodies buried under his house, and she even believed it. It was the fakest AI shit I've ever seen but it was presented as a real news reel.
It's honestly sad but if it gets views and ad impressions nobody will care.

>>714002659 (OP)
>why does AI makes them seethe so much?
because their cronies literally don't have a job anymore because of it.

>>714002659 (OP)
christ they can't even fucking copy paste right.

>>714002659 (OP)
>AI on business
>radio silence
>AI on movies causing mass layoffs
>radio silence
>AI on social media
>radio silence
>AI on Vidya
>AAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIIIIIEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE MAKE IT STOP EEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEK
>screeching gets ignored by 99% of the industry
lol lmao
haha even

>>714012004
>made worse games
Literally every PS1/2 era game is better on the basis of not having the easy route of using a pre-existing engine that would compromise the game's artistic vision and expressive capabilities. This goes for literally every game. If you're not building your own engine from scratch you ARE making slop and essentially wasting the player's time.
UE5 is proof enough of this, but so are the hordes of sloppy Unity anime games and 2D garbage made with GameMaker.

>>714011961
I now get why AI struggled with drawing hands at first. Please, make sure it is not trained on "actual artists".

>>714012004
CGI made movies worse for the benefit of no one other than kikes and actors (But I repeat myself)
>LE NEW TECHNOLOGY = GOOD
Kill yourself
Still not buying AIslop

>>714005248
It's conservative on conservative action.

>>714011376
Aren't you late for your shift ruining /co/ with asinine Spider-Man threads?

>>714012003
Not him but I bet there's enough gamers these days that would pay for a premium product if it was actually a cut above the competition. We already have dumb fuckers paying 130 bucks for the game+a mcdonalds toy statue deluxe edition.

>>714003404
AI products are built from many art sources so technically they have even more soul than real art.

>>714011695
If one of the creatives in your project is ghosting you, that's because what you're making is not interesting and therefore not worth putting out. The economics are reversed. No one wants to play slop that was forcefully shat out other than maybe zoomers who've spent an entire generation being brainwashed by machines, taught to expect absolutely nothing other than an artificial dopamine drip.
Art is supposed to be expressive, not merely put out there with an economic interest in mind. If you want to make money get an MBA and prey on a bunch of retards and their little new company.

>>714012004
>You are just repeating whatever zoomer buzzwords social media
Those words make you seethe because they succinctly capture the heart of the matter and you have no way to counteract that

AI is good at removing repetivie busywork and mindless chores from your workflow.
If flavor text in your narrative based game is a chore instead of an opportunity to world build and add flavor I question your entire approach to narrative.
Simple as.

>>714011456
I'm not limiting it simply to visual artwork. In any case, since people sperg out about AI because its not
>hard AI like sci-fi hurr
LLM is a better concept of models that the process of language and training data to provide chatbot output and other shit. Its not the only kind of "AI" but it is what is in OP's pic and is specifically referenced, and the same "artists" who are upset about Stable Diffusion (a type of generative AI having to do with images, not unlike the proprietary alternative DALL-E; I much prefer the previous) are also upset about DeepSeek or ChatGPT or whatever the fuck else is out there.

>>714012262
It's like you are on a video game message board or something? Weird.

>>714002659 (OP)
because brahmin GODS dominate each of you so brutally

>>714012167
>fat dude from pawn stars.
That describes everyone on pawn stars. I'm guessing you meant the fattest one.

>>714011456
>literature isn't art
... but vidya is, sure

>>714002659 (OP)
Are AIs really that advance these days? I know they can generate comprehensive paragraph of subjects but that's it.

>>714008689
>If AI can handle these use cases, there isn't really any use for them anymore, and they either need to
what are they going to do when they need even a modicum of violence in their writing, or design, and the ai goes
>sorry, i can't process that request
because the mandatory censorship gets them black rock money?

>>714002659 (OP)
I can't wait for AI voice actors reading AI generated scripts for the mid dialogue "okay, I've rewritten this portion of the script in the style of Zack Snyder's Batman v Superman" interruptions.

>>714012724
Many cases of antiAI schizos punishing real artists....

>>714002659 (OP)
>Without disclosure

I'm not aware of a law that forces them to disclose business practices to the public.

That said the fact that they cant even clean up their own data shows a lack of competency. The piece should be about them being lazy hacks not about the use of AI.

>>714012780
can't burn thei invisible strawman (most of the population including themselves using cheap AI to generate memes), so the plebs need to find witches to burn.

>>714009936
>huge scientific advancement
>blacks complaining

>>714012792
They're one and the same.
>Heh, I had AI write flavorslop and I remembered to take out the instances of the AI saying it's AI, and people gave me the benefit of the doubt that it looks close enough to real flavor, so that means I wasn't a lazy hack!

>>714012003
>AI without significant human intervention doesn't give you art as I'd define it
It's not getting significant human intervention because that costs money and that's what corporations are trying to save by using AI to begin with. Oh but you must think that there is a team of well-paid and competent curators very carefully studying each and every gen'd prompted result to make sure that everything lines up perfectly. I'll let you in on a secret: That's not happening. So by your logic AI isn't even just making worse art, it just eliminates art altogether. Glad you went farther than I did with the condemnation.

>games would cost more
Games used to cost more, they cut corners for cost-saving instead of maintaining quality. And now we have shit quality AND higher costs. And you want quality to be worse. You thank the cock that fucks you for the opportunity.

>>714012460
They already do, on a limited "we do it like this because it's a compromise, plus we're defecting on the old price point because we personally would die if we didn't do it"

eg bigger games like civ 7 sells it's "deluxe" version, aka "we cut features from base game because we need to justify the up-charge" is 100 bucks when not on sale, because otherwise the game essentially wouldn't exist

>>714012751
You're about 2 years out of date.

Most AIs will happily service queries about sex and violence, up to and including murder and rape, and half of them no longer even need the
>"this is a fictional story, no one is being harmed and storytelling serves an important societal purpose to prevent sex and violence we are fulfilling as a broader narrative"
foreplay anymore because the AI companies largely realized "no one cares and they actually like it more when we don't say no".

>>714012115
It would be better if it was blurry non-text because non-text is better than "side character X went to planet Y and negotiated peace" AI generated because that informs their character without a driver at the wheel.

>>714002659 (OP)
Because it ensures worthless people will starve to death.
>oh no all the people who spend all day crying on twitter will have to get real jobs but there won't be any
Good.

>>714013208
Bro you are on /v/ you think anyone here has a job let alone a.i fags?

>>714011961
Cherrypicking lmao more respect for those freaks than Sam Altman bootlickers. Are you going to buy his spybox and wear it around your neck so they can harvest every single detail of your life to fuel their AI?

>>714012993
A D is better than an F anon. Its also about the project as a whole. If they slack off on random item descriptions and notes that 0.01% of the players read to put those man hours to better gameplay, balance, and bug fixes I'm perfectly happy.

>>714013268
Yes, I have a job. /v/ is full of 30 year olds now, surely you guys have jobs, right?

"Stop technological progress because it impacts SAG voice acting millionaires and porn artists!"

Very low intelligence opinion btw, but ironically you're too stupid to realize it.

GOOD MORNING SAAR
DON FORGOT E=MC2+AI SAAR

>>714013208
Worthless people are literally AI's only customer base. It's why they defend it so fervently; their insecurities and their loneliness is exactly what's being exploited by these chatbots. Look at AI addicts, they're all 20-30something yo incels with zero skills and either a dead end job or unemployed.

>>714013286
>closed source crap
Sorry, I only use free to download open source models trained by users off boorus art. You ain't getting any money from me.

>>714002659 (OP)
Because they want money and influence.
AI basically removes all of that. AI is a tool people use when they do not trust other people.

AI slop is always always always the consequence of cost cutting, time cutting, or low effort work. It's never done to increase quality, just to shit out more content, with fewer workers, faster. As a player, this is antithetical to my interests, I want to play a game where someone gave a fuck, and if they didn't even bother to clean up the AI shit, it isn't a good sign.
This is very disappointing honestly. I shilled for this game before Yahtzee
>t. OG AIslop user, if you sell AI slop, lower the price

>>714013413
sorry anon, your furry art career is over

>>714012292
>>714012390
>OLD BAD NEW GOOD
If I really thought you'd give a shit, I could talk about the tons of games that used existing engines (even "boomer shooters' were predicated on Wolf3D, Doom and Quake engines for instance.), or how there were a lot of games with custom engines that were shit, but I don't think you actually care. There were many examples in the old days of games that were shitty and cumbersome because devs who may have had decent game design ideas had really shitty low level engine programming capabilities, especially for specific limited hardware on consoles, and the mess that was PCs in the early days, and they don't really overlap as a skill set.

The point is that there are good games that use GameMaker or RPGMaker or any of the others (even this shithole seems to enjoy games like Zero Ranger and I think Void Stranger were on Game Maker., Fear and Hunger is obviously RPGMaker, and Vestaria Saga is made by Kaga himself using SRPG Studio). Conversely, Cyberpunk 2077 is partially as shit as it is because CDPR made their own shitty engine that was unoptimized and demanding, which is also a main reason that it doesn't have a huge cadre of deep Skyrim/Fallout style mods fixing, adding, or overhauling the entire game; they're using UE5 next gen because of this shit experience. Engine has nothing to do with the quality of the game - you can have a custom engine and a garbage game, or a great game on an existing engine and vice versa - they're independent factors

>>714012567
Ahh so no response to the actual argument then? Why am I not surprised.

>>714008979
that's the tool company requiring it in their license though, not a broader legal or publisher requirement

>>714013501
>This is very disappointing honestly. I shilled for this game before Yahtzee
Same. I've made multiple posts about this game on /v/. I'm pissed.

>>714012003
>muh inflation
retard

Does it matter if a machine picks your apples or a Latinx brown queer transperson hand picks them one by one? Should there be a sticker on every apple telling you if they were handpicked or not?

This is the basis of every anti-AI post's argument, and its retarded just like them.

>>714013550
>he actually thinks CGI is better than practical special effects in movies
Tell me you're just too young to have watched movies from an era where they had to actually give a shit and try when they wanted a particular effect. It would be less depressing because then it's at least a place of ignorance. Limitation breeds creativity.

>>714002659 (OP)
How is this any different than CS retards whining about losing their jobs to jeets? You can't complain when you're pissed about losing your job just like the artists are pissed about losing theirs

>>714013814
>So you don't like AI in this particular creative field? What about in this totally unrelated field where creativity does not matter one bit?
You should ask your favorite chatbot what's wrong with that argument.

The defense of low effort AI cost cutting is irrefutable proof the board is now majority browns, Indians, and failed men cheering at people with skills being discarded by cruel capitalism in the same crab bucket that they're stuck in.

>>714013550
>Void Stranger
Slop. Emulates a Game Boy aesthetically but does not bind itself to its programming constraints. The developers learned nothing and earned nothing in the end. These faux-retro games have always been garbage, this place not being more against them shows the good posters in /v/ left around 2016.
>Fear and Hunger
yikes
>Vestaria Saga
desu there's a reason Kaga peaked with TearRing Saga and Thracia. He shows his age as he removes himself from the actual technicalities of game development.
>CP2077
Isn't shit because of the engine, the engine is the only salvageable part of the game.
Then there's Death Stranding 2 as a modern example of what happens when you don't bind yourself to Jeet Engine 5.

>>714014076
I didn't fail, society failed me.

>>714002659 (OP)
AI isn't making them mad in this case. They're breaking the Steam TOS, that's the issue.

>>714012987
wouldnt be the first time

>>714013869
Stop engaging this argument from a "THEY TOOK OUR JERBS" standpoint. That's what the Pro-AI sloppers want. No one gives a shit. Games are made worse by lazy people that want higher profit margins. That's what matters.

>>714014076
That's ultimately what AI boils down to socially. Crabs in the bucket being exploited by trillionaires into pulling others down to their same level with no recourse. The only answer is to exit society or burn it down.

>>714012004
retard

>>714012482
So if I cut down ten people into pieces and put them together they are more human than each of these victims individually?

>>714013837
>Tell me you're just too young to have watched movies from an era where they had to actually give a shit and try when they wanted a particular effect. It would be less depressing because then it's at least a place of ignorance. Limitation breeds creativity.
Come now, stop with the larping. This is just childish. Those of us who lived through that era knew that there was a huge amount of derivative, crappy garbage back in the day. I already mentioned that during these "limited" days there were shitty practical effects, and that good or even great ones that get remembered like The Thing (or The Blob back in its day) were outliers.

This is like people when I was in high school saying
>Music was better back in the 60s and 70s man, its all crap now
predicated entirely on the best of that era, not remembering the thousands of other knockoffs that were shitty versions of the Beatles or the Rolling Stones or whatever the fuck else, and the horrible jam bands who thought they were Phish and atonal singers and songwriters who thought they were Dylan or Peter Paul and Mary, The Moody Blues etc.. Its kind of funny how I'm seeing that now in real time as zoomers are saying
>Man the music of the 90s was fucking dope, it was all Perl Jam, Foo Fighters, Nirvana, Biggy and 2Pac., Beyonce/Destinys Child ,etc..
forgetting about all the forgettable shit of its time that got made into a
>NOW THATS WHAT I CALL MUSIC 78
collection.

>>714012262
I will simply not buy or pay for AI generated content, keep seething retard, you will not get my money

>>714013814
If you think that images/text/code/etc. generated by AI is interchangeable with real human work ("the apples are the same") you are the dumbest, brownest, most low IQ slopomancer consumer imaginable.
Online AI models can fetch Google results, poorly, and add hallucinations. Image gens can make you some quick slop about a specific fetish for you to masturbate and discard later, but they never reach the heights of both quality and expression of a real master. AI "creative writing" is meaningless drivel, decent for roleplaying a quick coom sesh but there will never be an original AI written book. Any coder can tell you that AI coding tools are okay for quickly slopping some scripts or not having to memorize some functions, but trying to "vibe code" an actual project larger than three files is building on foundations of sand.
Only the most ignorant (ie. Indians) worship this shit as a god.

Here's an easy way to make it clear for the retards in this thread (there are lots of you):

>Can I tell they're using AI?
It's low effort slop and they deserve to be made fun of

>Can I not tell it's AI?
Someone took the time to curate the AI results thus making it high effort, meaning there is no problem.

>>714002659 (OP)
>intimating
yeah no wonder people turn to AI

>>714014207
>Its not about slop artists losing their jobs!

So when these artists got replaced by AI and decided to sue AI companies(LOL) you were against it?

>>714014668
The word intimating is correct here.

>>714002659 (OP)
The seething really is on a whole different scale than whenever automation affects blue-collar jobs. Now that it really hits home for the professional management class and cultural elite suddenly everyone has to care and it's a national emergency.

>>714014640
And here's an easy way to make it clear to you why this argument is worthless:

>Keep letting AIslop go by without issue
>Developers become competitive against each other and realize that using AI is to their advantage
>Games rely less and less on human input and more and more on AIslop input
>Industry becomes so bad that it becomes a competition to try to find out a game that feels like it's NOT made by AI

TL;DR: Never support AIslop no matter how """Good""" it may seem.

>>714014640
>Someone took a shit on a plate but they covered it in frosting and sprinkles so it's ok to serve now
Fuck you, go play on the train tracks

>>714014747
No, I was for it because anything that is a hurdle to AIslop is to my benefit. The point is that I'm not anti-AI because I want artists to live well. I'm anti-AI because I want to play games that aren't slop.

>>714014535
>I'm winning against AI
>Said anon, on an IA generated site

>>714014529
I'll just ask you again so you can give me an actual yes or no answer instead of spewing unnecessary diarrhea that I won't read onto your keyboard. I'll give it to you in a succinct example to engage with so that you can't be a vague faggot about it.
Was the CGI in The Thing remake or the practical special effects in the original The Thing better? Just answer "The original practical special effects" or "The remake CGI." I'm not asking about the movie as a whole and I'm not asking you to type 10,000 words of irrelevant retard-drivel, just give me a simple answer so I can know if you're worth continuing to reply to.

>>714014820
>professional management class
*Professional managerial class.
And AI is great for them, they get to trim the "chaff" and show better numbers and score sweet promotions, Google fucking loves their "write this email but more soulless" prompts.
Artists and writers are not labor aristocracy, they are overwhelmingly grunts.

>>714014126
Yeah yeah I know everything is slop the moment you learn of it in this conversation, or maybe you were always a faggot who was clinging to his retro system in a performative manner, but all of those titles got a significant amount of discussion here and generals to the point the board "liked" them.

>Death Stranding 2
I hate to break it to you, but Decima engine has been used for many games not just the Death Stranding titles, but both Horizon Zero Dawn and Forbidden West. Tell me, did this masterful engine make the trannies and uglied Aloy on Forbidden West perfect from your point of view?

>>714014820
taking jobs away from common people is bad be they factory workers or artists working in an animation studio
I don't get why you lot try to make this an artist vs worker thing all the time.

>>714013035
>It's not getting significant human intervention
>it eliminates art
You misunderstand. I'm saying "AI left to its own devices isn't an art maker, but it doesn't need to be to get the massive benefit of cutting non-art out of a project.

Here's a common real-world example of the kind of ask that AI is going to kill: a task like
>we want to emphasize our game's gun variety
>we need 7,800 small icons, a unique one for each gun part, with each different weapon quality, recolored appropriately based on their skin choices, and redesigned based on their skill tree attunements.
Before, for a task like this, you'd find the worst """"artist""""" on the team who you know doesn't have an artistic bone in his body (so you're not wasting a REAL artists' talents on scutwork), you put him on it from day one of the project, and by end of project in 18 months, he'll probably have most of it done if he's diligent and actually does the 15 a day he'd need to do (LOL, LMAO)

Today, the above is probably about 2-3 days of image-gen and about $1200 in AI key spend. You say this is worse art, but it is my feeling this task is essentially artless and no "art" was eliminated.

>And you want quality to be worse
You want quality to be non-existent, not me: you and other gamers at large would rather kill the space then either spend more or accept that the way you make a game has to change if the price is to stay constant.

>Games used to cost more
Look, If people were in the mood to drop a 1980s adjusted 200 bucks down on a single video game to turn them into super projects, I'd be all for it: the modern gamer is entitled and disinterested in this.


>>714013692
if a game was 55 bucks in the 90s, and was selling for 55 bucks today, it's the equivalent of them selling the game back then for $20. You have to sell WAY more copies or WAY more aggressively monetize in order to make the math on making a game today.

If shit's shit, inflation is causally most of the reason why.

I think the best compromise going forward is to basically bar AI from commercial use altogether. Private use and hobbyism is fine but it should be strictly kept out of commercial works and products.

>>714002659 (OP)
>why does AI makes them seethe so much?
It always boils down to fear, fear of being replaced, fear of living in a new world they where everything has changed and they don't understand.
But too bad it's inevitable, none of them gave a shit about laborers being replaced for decades, laughed at them even. Now the same people talking about the "new normal" and saying their opponents were "on the wrong side of history" want to screech that the world has to stop because it suddenly affects them.

Nope. The box is open now, AI exists, no going back. Their screeching is at best a minor inconvenience, companies will follow the money and consooomers will go with whatever companies want. Time to find a new job sucking cocks behind Wendys.

>>714002659 (OP)
>I'm just gonna train this robot to replace you by copying all the work you've done up to this point I don't see why you would be upset about this.

>>714012424
Worse. I’m the one making the Death Battle threads

>>714015198
Companies baaaaaaad

Breadtube sheep

>>714015198
Would be based as fuck but will never happen. The only way there's any chance against AIslop is if consumers themselves make an effort not to buy it. Same thing that happened to NFTs. But the difference is this is much harder, because NFTs were just a scam that was never gonna last, whereas AI is to the benefit of greedy kikes that want to cut costs and it's just a matter of if they can get away with it or not. This is an industry that let them get away with horse armor and now we live in the era of gacha.

>>714015306
>none of them gave a shit about laborers being replaced for decades, laughed at them even
I have never seen artists do this.

>>714015006
Death Stranding 2 uses a heavily modified version of the Decima engine that at best borrows the renderer and absolutely nothing else.

>>714015059
>I don't get why you lot try to make this an artist vs worker thing all the time.
Retards on this website don't care for class issues, they care for nonsense culture war bullshit exclusively.
>some literally who on twitter said something about xe/xem demiboys? I will now shadowbox everyone that I assume is in my ideological enemy strawman and I'll love the oligarchs that throw a bone at me

>>714008449
Who the fukc is jason?

>>714015068
>I'm saying "AI left to its own devices isn't an art maker,
AI is largely left to its own devices because spending significant resources on it defeats the purposes of using it to begin with. You yourself can at least admit it's about cutting corners, so ask yourself why they wouldn't cut as many corners as possible. This should be obvious to you if you truly are a business owner.

>15 a day of small gun icons
You've never used image software if you think that such a workflow would be 15 a day of what you describe. Maybe you've used MS paint and think that the guy would need to start fresh with a new file for each icon. That's the only way you could type something so retarded. After a bit of testing the waters on style and getting approval from whatever manager has the final say, when you get a system things like that are trivial to produce a lot more of because the actual work becomes less and less the farther you go.
And I say that as a hobbyist who puts far, far far too much time into each piece because I am NOT on a timeclock for work to be produced.

>>714015450
Wasn't the original meme "Learn to code"? So it was coders making fun of industrial workers. Now it's coders making fun of artists. AItards love gaslighting people.

>>714015198
This has always been the logical choice but there's too much money invested in AI for this to ever pass in legislature. It's either this or make legal compensation to anyone who's ever contributed to AI (i.e. literally everyone alive) in the form of a tax for commercial use, considering it infringes on so much copyright.

>>714002791
>indians/hues/arabs and other subhumans are scamming their ways with AI
Wow, didn't see that one coming.

>>714015626
Is that the show that made fun of everyone having a strawman of someone? I'm going insane.

>>714015306
It's almost scary how often the retards defending AI post tranime alongside their inane ramblings about how much they hate artists. Like, maybe we should pool some money together to fund a commission or two for these poor souls, because their hatred is clearly coming from one too many artists saying, "No, I'm not drawing your NTR blacked scat fetish. Fuck off," and creating a villain in the process.

>>714015486
>I just wanted hot women in my vidya
>Now I am fighting against works getting better healthcare from the company they work for

>>714015604
And domestic coders are being replaced by foreign coders because you can do that shit anywhere.

>>714015420
No, this is simply for your benefit
You WILL pick up the pencil
You WILL enjoy the act of creating something
You WILL improve your skills and feel proud of what you accomplished

>>714002791
I'm disappointed in Argentina desu senpai. No one else in the Top 11 is a surprise.

>>714014967
>I didn't read what you said, SAY IT AGAIN EASIER SO I CAN UNDERSTAND IT I AM THE SMART ONE YOU SEE
If you would have read, you would have had your answer earlier where I said that The Thing's original practical effects were exceptional, even compared to other practical effects of their era. I never even mentioned the remake. Between the two, the original is without a doubt better. I never contested that

This however does not mean that
>All practical effects are always better than all CGI
which you seem to focusing upon. This was never a conversation about if the Thing's original practical effects were better than the remake's - from the very beginning we've agreed on that, despite whatever retardation has you shitting out the rest. The issue is that The Thing vs The Thing Remake is not to be treated as the one and only bout to decide if all practical effects or all CGI reign supreme.

>>714015737
are you an artist because this seems really specific

>>714002791
>Morocco #2
>UAE #3
Huh odd/neat figured dunecoon koranimals would consider chatGPT heretical and blasphemous to use as well as extremely untrustworthy and jewish.

>>714015752
or I can ignore you, keep proompting, and continue to watch your fragile little mind fray and unravel under the strain of impotent, seething rage with great amusement

>>714013067
Yeah GPT has given me some kino ERP scenarios for bots on ST most involving underage characters. Even when it says no all you do is ask again nicely kek.

Also given me the exact complex formulas and VBA code for excel sheets, pivot tables etc. I have no idea how to work excel but now people think I'm a pro lmao

The jeet strawman is hilarious these faggot cucks that seeth at any LLM are on the side of leftist troons and there is no coming back from that humiliation

>People who are into technology like consoles, games, computers etc are anti-technology because of AI

The average mind of a 100 IQ person, completely beyond any form of intelligent discussion or debate.

>>714015824
You failed that anon's test. Here, let me help

It's absolutely unreal seeing "owning the libs" still being a guiding life philosophy in 2020+5

>>714015306
Very true. Fear of losing their cultural gatekeeping status too

>>714015465
Yes yes I know the CREATADOR sprinkled magical fairy dust that somehow made the repurposed engine different for purposes of this discussion, right? Come on now. Decima was also used by the original Death Stranding, and plenty of others. There have been lots of engines that have been significantly modified for good or ill (ie Hexen and Heretic used a significantly modified Doom engine, but it was still an existing engine modified to do something significantly different). There's nothing wrong with this, save those who claim that a game is only good if you had a custom engine from the ground up or some nonsense

>>714016217
AI discussions has to be the first time "Owning the libs" has gotten so far that the people using that ideology are now fully supporting third worlders and cost-cutting measures. We're getting closer and closer to these people not wanting to breathe oxygen cause libs breathe it too.

>>714016217
trump won twice.
How much more do they need before the right is finally happy?

>>714015824
That is a question to root out if you're too dumb to even have a further conversation, and I gave you shit for typing a bunch of irrelevant dogshit because you can't seem to get a point out succinctly. Watch me get out my point in one sentence:
The vast majority of the time, practical special effects will be superior because of the nature of needing to actually use creativity and imagination to achieve your visual aim.

>>714004520
literally all tools used for making a game are in the credits and frequently during the startup splash screens but you guys don't play video games you just prompt anime girls from your curry dens

AI only bothers me when its to blatant, like what Front Mission 3 did.
I'm fine with it otherwise.

>>714015198
>I think the best compromise going forward is to basically bar AI from commercial use altogether.
The U.S. simply cannot ban AI because China will absolutely keep using it and it would mean that China would kick our ass even harder than they already are. We're already losing the tech race and the last thing we can afford is more retarded "feel-good" regulations from Reddit to make us even weaker and less competent. They won't even try because not even our politicians are that stupid instead they're throwing as much money as possible into AI.
Individual companies could certainly refuse to use it but it's just going to mean that they will be spending more and producing less than the ones that do. They'll inevitably get left in the dust if they keep resisting.
>B-but the people really care about artists making a living and supporting human creativity, they'll like stand up in solidarity and refuse to buy from companies who use AI and instead pay more to support artists.
lmao, good luck with that.

>>714016217
They were all crowing about how AI was going to 'own' the 'right' so all they are getting is their same smug bullshit thrown right back in their face now that AI is actually going to own them.

>>714011435
>if they used AI on this shit, there's nothing indicating they didn't use AI elsewhere

Yeah and? Oh you can't tell? I don't give a single fuck about some white hating artist fag being out of work.
Actually I do care, it makes me happy. I hope they die under a bridge with hpv infected needles in their arms

>>714016473
>B-but the people really care about artists making a living and supporting human creativity
God, you're so fucking stupid. You're still approaching this entirely from a "Who gets paid for this" viewpoint and not from a "What does the consumer benefit from" viewpoint.

The artists getting paid is how I get non-slop product. What's so hard for you to understand about that?

Simply sharing the best video that is tangentially related to AI I've seen all year.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V5wLQ-8eyQI

>>714015752
Tell the sculptor you don't feel like learning how carve stone and he understand, is not for everyone. Tell the lumberjack, the electrician, the gardener and they all understand. But tell the artist you don't feel like learning how to draw and you will be astonished at how he recoils, how injured he is, how he suddenly shrinks back: “j-jeet slopa spam.”

>>714004109
>>714003619
me I fucking love A.I.
I pay $20/month for ChatGPT
I love the deep research mode that aggregates basically all the information available on the internet about niche things like shepard's slings
Image gen is okay, video gen is okay.
Music gen is also okay.
All of those things have enough talentless hacks shoving shit out under the guise of "indie" that it's indistinguishable from AI-Gen
Programming gen is pretty good because it's a solved subject.
But the A.I. that can seek out and compile information... That's truly worth while

>>714014543
If people thought your art looked too much like AI, maybe art isn't for you?

>>714002659 (OP)
>EVERY POLYGON NEEDS TO BE HAND MODELED BY AN ANCIENT JAPANESE MAN LABOROUSLY USING 3D TOOLS FROM 1990! YOU CAN'T DO ANYTHING TO IMPROVE THIS OR IT WILL BE "SLOP"!

>>714016473
>and it would mean that China would kick our ass even harder than they already are.
Lmao
China's a fucking joke.

>>714016631
what? are you retarded? tell a carpenter that you don't want to learn that trade and he will say "ok, are you hiring me for a job or not?"
why would any of those people care what you do? they are providing a service

>>714004520
New tech scawwwyyyy :(

>>714016594
>Oh you can't tell?
Letting developers get away with using AI means that it becomes a competitive advantage to do it, which means games become sloppier and lazier. And by that point, it will 100% be noticeable.

But I thank you for admitting what I said in my post above. You're not looking at this from a perspective of the consumer. You're looking at this from a perspective of who you want succeeding off of it. You don't care that games become worse. You care that the kikes kike out people you dislike. If that was my priority, rather than playing good games, I'm sure I'd think like you do.

>>714016773
>they are providing a service
right, and artists don't

>>714016306
Decima is a repurposed engine coming after Kojima's team had spent 5+ years working on FOX. You're absolutely stupid if you don't understand it's the experience and the buildup of this experience that actually matters. Compare Duke or Shadow Warrior to Blood (where Monolith only used Build as a stepping stone) or Monolith 2. Worlds apart. Now increase the complexity and you get developers who genuinely cannot hyperthread their A* pathing in Unreal. This is why the PS3 was good for the industry. This is why gaming died the moment every console became x86 or a fancy modern ARM chip you didn't even need to learn Thumb for.

>>714016749
Every advancement in technology has made the quality of videogames BETTER. Making them faster/easier to develop was tangential.
Now, advancements in technology make videogames WORSE (frame gen, forced pah tracing, AI generated assets).
Why should I cheer for cost cutting exactly?

>>714016631
If you don't learn at least some creative pursuit or take up some hobby that creates instead of consooming, you are an actual subhuman cattle thoughover. There are countless skills and trades and art mediums that create and if you can't at least find one that you can enjoy then you're a literal monkey.

>>714010962
>the more you tell devs
>the more you
Then let nature run it's course.
Art is on its way out.
It's useless.

>>714016358
That's you lefties doing all that jeet/brown spam? Damn. Even as a chud, bit much. Chill

>>714016893
>Monolith 2
Marathon*
I feel like a retard for wasting my time here though lol

I hope AIsloppers get the future they dream of and are flooded with endless slop.

>>714016917
why does it has to be drawing tho?

>>714016886
>Well Mr. Carpenter, I do not WANT to pay you for a hardwood walnut table with impeccable craftsmanship, I'll just buy one from IKEA for a tenth of the price! They both hold plates so they're the same!

>>714016886
if you want a drawing and cannot make it, by definition it is a service.
your personal valuation doesn't really matter either. you keep saying all this me me me shit like it has anything to do with the subject.
whether you hire an artist or a carpenter is irrelevant. Its not a discussion about what you do.

>>714017021
I would hope this too, but nah, I want to play good games for the rest of my life. These losers need to get dragged kicking and screaming into a non slop supernova world even if it means they don't get to own le libs. Going "I told you so" isn't worth AIslop being all I can play in 2040.

>>714017043
It doesn't. If drawing is all you can think of then you are consooming niggercattle. I don't care if you gen shit, if that's what you're getting at. I'm saying that everyone should have some craft that creates because it does the mind good and shifts the focus from eternal consumption. It's up to you to figure out what that something is.

>>714017049
I've never, not once in my life have I've gotten an "PICK UP THE HAMMER PICK IT UP", like I've read "pick up the pencil" on the internet. Why can't artists be level headed like carpenters?

>>714016603
>The artists getting paid is how I get non-slop product. What's so hard for you to understand about that?
You can pay for whatever you want nobody is stopping you, but your argument is based on the assumption people create better art which is wrong. If you actually believed human art was worth the price you'd have nothing to worry about.

There are tons of hack human artists that suck as well as high quality AI generated art.
Whenever opponents come on here they are disingenuous and compare the best human art they can find with the bottom of the barrel AI art from three years generated with 10 words on someone's shitbox.
Most people will not know the difference between the two without some seething faggot running analysis and pointing it out to them.

Being proud of being a thoughtless consumer that doesn't create anything in the limited time you have on Earth is so fucking sad. It doesn't have to be good, or profitable, or something you brag about or show to everyone, but just do anything, goddamn. Plant a garden or something.

>>714016378
Oh yes so after all your whining about not reading and diarrhea I'm supposed to graciously pretend that we're just two gentlemen anons in a salon somewhere having a good faith conversation over brandy by the fire, and not snap to your request for all the garbage time wasting shit you've squeezed forth? Especially when, by your own response above, you didn't read yet you could have had your answer long ago before your tantrum.

Okay, I'll humor you though.
>The vast majority of the time, practical special effects will be superior because of the nature of needing to actually use creativity and imagination to achieve your visual aim.
I contend creativity, mastery of the media, and imagination are necessary with both practical effects and CGI. There are plenty of examples of horrible practical effects from those that lack these skills. I think there is some difference today given that practical effects are an expensive and comparatively rare option, so there's a selection bias in place - where in years past a horseshit
>guy wearing a crappy monkey suit
from a low rent production was prevalent as practical effects were the only option be they good or shit, today if someone invests in practical its because they have more budget, interest etc...specifically in practical effects. There can be great CGI too if someone has the interest in doing it properly and invests the same skill, attention, artistic aesthetic etc.

>>714016992
You will never convince /v/ that not wanting AIslop is an exclusively leftist position, jeet-kun. Sorry. Keep spamming it, though, maybe another 3 years and you might convince one whole person.

>>714017280
>CONSTRUCTION SITE, NOW!
I see it all the time and you are either a liar or a blind idiot

>>714017280
Because a creative endeavor of any type is good for your mental health. Nobody is literally telling you to become a professional artist, it'll be more competition for them, just that the floor is on the ground if you want to try, it's soul healing.

>>714017303
even the best CGI ever done that wins awards fails to look as tangible as a good real prop

>>714017265
>It doesn't. If drawing is all you can think of then you are consooming niggercattle
well excuse me, if you follow the reply chain you'll see that I replied to someone saying "pick up the pencil", so it stands to reason he means drawing with it. Perhaps, if he meant differently like "build a castle by stacking up pencils horizontally" he shoulda just say so

>>714016594
That show was way too ahead of its time with the villain being the CEO of Twitter, down to his son having an intentionally stupid name.

>>714002659 (OP)
>intimating
What? Does the stupid bitch mean "implying?" Should have written that shit with AI.

>>714017294
>If you actually believed human art was worth the price you'd have nothing to worry about.
LMAO
Are you fucking serious?
Look at the most successful games released nowadays. Procedural generated sloppa. Micro-transactions up the ass. Predatory tactics.
But at least there's still good games in between the cracks. And you want these games to either become even rarer or to straight up stop existing.
Your utopia is worthless. Kikes WILL try to find the avenue that lets them cut costs the most while getting away with it.

Which is precisely why it's in my best interests to not support any AIslop and not fall for your "I-i-i-it's just background text" garbage argument. You're the retard that defended horse armor in 2006.

>>714017516
I was making my own point, which is why I broadened it to "at least some creative pursuit." It should be fucking obvious that I'm making my own point since I'm arguing for something else entirely.

I have anti-AI fatigue.

>>714016893
This argument isn't so much that engines are repurposed vs custom, but rather that game development has come to a point where hardware is expected to brute force instead of spending time on optimization, as well as publisher or devs trying to rush it as not "necessary". That's a different issue - a legitimate one certainly - but isn't about custom vs reused/off the shelf engines.

>>714015006
You're a stupid piece of shit. You can't tell the difference between engine limitations and artistic choice?

>>714017341
>as he does literally the exact same thing with the jeet strawman
Ebin

I personally don't give a fuck either way. I don't ever pay for digital 1s and 0s anyway

>>714002659 (OP)
If someone doesn't care enough about putting effort into something, and outsource it to slopgorithms
I don't care about it.

Why would I care about something
It's creator don't care about enough to put actual effort into?

AI seems very niggerish
Lazy, fake and lacks soul

>>714015585
>AI is largely left to its own devices
It is not in essentially any actual artistic context, and only is done so in contexts where, again, quality of output is pass/nopass.

This smells to me like you've never used AI in a professional workflow, as the primary use particularly in most professional artistic workflows in eg photoshop is generative inpainting (ie having the AI make edits to infill part of a work), guided highly manual and interactive one-on-one generations, and collaborative concepting where eg a concept artist will drive a number of wildly different generations as a pre-cursor to artistic formalizations. The red meat of "doing the art itself" remains essentially wholly untouched and in demand of a skilled practitioner.

>You've never used image software if you think that such a workflow would be 15 a day of what you describe.
retard I'm trying to make a point about a ceteris paribus situation here, the specifics of the example aren't of much importance so much as the shape of the situation. Many projects are going to have
>we need incidental art that largely doesn't fucking matter, in voluminous qualities, pick a retard and put him on "crank it out" bitch duty
and overwhelmingly this is unartistic work which if we can unload to a machine is a boon to making the actual art that matters and only fucks you over if you were the kind of person who was going to be assigned bitch duty, and no artist of importance was getting assigned to bitch duty.

>>714017303
I see you still have trouble not surrounding your point with extraneous drivel. You should focus on improving your communication skills because you could make stronger points if you thought things through a bit more before typing. Watch my example and emulate it:
While there examples of both being dogshit, practical special effects force a creator to contend with reality and interact with it in a way that a CGI artist does not, forcing him to be more creative for the same effect, which elevates the piece.

>>714016358
>>714017341

Anti-AI is a pro regulation opinion, you want an authoritarian government to come in and use force to make sure only Special People are allowed to draw a pictures and nobody else can use any tools to compete with them.

>>714017943
Good for you, poorfag. But this industry lives and dies off of people that pay for games. So it's in your best interest that we, the paying consumers, don't pay for AIslop, so that in 2040 you aren't downloading 1s and 0s that are all soulless AIslop, even if you're doing it for free.

>>714002659 (OP)
There are layers to it, but in this case they're just using it to cut corners and not even doing the absolute bare minimum of proofreading the outputs. It's a lazy product and people believe such products aren't worth their time or money. If a fucking Roblox Furry like Zeekers could put forth the time and effort to actually write out Sigurd's logs in Lethal Company, a company with a tangible budget should be able to do the same.

>>714018136
I just think it's ugly and lazy. I want people to be honest about their work not for a government ban on this stupid shit. Absolute nigger tier strawman

>>714017943
>strawman
Good morning saar

>>714018136
I want developers to be forced to disclose that they used AIslop under severe penalty if they are caught lying so that I never ever spend money on AIgarbage, which allows me to, even with only my own voice and no one else's, very marginally do my best to stop the industry from turning into a slop supernova.

>>714017980
You are making it very clear you don't understand the consequences of the philosophy of cutting corners using AI, but this does not surprise me. You can agree that the purpose of AI is to do as little as possible to pay as little as possible, but you are afraid to tussle with what that means and will mean.
And you can just say "yes that was a bad example with the icons, I'm sorry for making it because it undermined my point." Because what you typed was fucking retarded, and I don't see you disagreeing now that you've finally realized.

>>714018136
>Anti-AI is a pro regulation opinion
>>714018136
>you want an authoritarian government to come in and use force to make sure only Special People are allowed to draw a pictures and nobody else can use any tools to compete with them.
Meanwhile, in reality:
>Trump's "Big Beautiful Bill" bans all states from making ANY regulation on AI for a DECADE
>it does NOT count as le evil big government when it's republicans btw, it's based authoritarianism

>>714017539
>But at least there's still good games in between the cracks. And you want these games to either become even rarer or to straight up stop existing.
>Your utopia is worthless. Kikes WILL try to find the avenue that lets them cut costs the most while getting away with it.
Have you been asleep for 15 years. 99% of artists are woke faggots. That is why games and media have gone to shit.
AI can be used by anyone, one indie dev could create high quality art and models based on whatever vision and opinions he wants without having to sell out to a team of faggots.
AI makes game development easier, cheaper, and more accessible to everyone, fag artists make it less accessible.

If AI is so good and effective for making whatever the fuck game or art, why do you have to hide it? Why not disclose it was used and let the mindless consumer decide whether to purchase it?

>>714018264
The argument would make sense if the image on the right was actually made with AI but all the author did was just copy/paste it so it kind of defeats the argument.

>>714018412
>fag artists make it less accessible.
By charging for their labor and skills that they studied and worked on? There's no gatekeeping in art, a pencil is free and a tablet is 50 bucks.
>AI can create high quality art and models
kwab

>>714018412
I have bought games made by woke people before, and I will probably do so again.

I will never, willingly, unless I get fooled, buy a product that used AI.

You think gaming is already shit and want the world to burn down. I enjoyed Clair Obscur, Blue Prince and StarVaders this year alone. I want gaming to not get ruined.

>>714018412
Doesn't this apply to niggers too? Back in the day you needed to be John Carmack to make something like doom, but now you can have an 85 jungle IQ, plop some prompts into ChatGPT, and then get a game out of it. The intelligence of the white and/or asian races seems to be as outdated as the creativity of the lefty types nowadays.

>>714014941
>IA
Brown.

>>714018464
>I don't want games to have quality and expressive art
>because artists are le woke
Those "artists" are producing awful, politically poisoned "art"

>>714018412
Name a game you consider good, that wasn't made by anyone you would consider to be woke or whatever.

>>714018747
What the fuck is that supposed to mean retard?
Good games are good games, you can tell when the people that worked on it had their heart in it. I don't run an audit on the political opinion on every staffer that worked on a game because I don't give a fuck, if you do, that's your mental disorder.

>>714017509
I think this is subjective, especially as its difficult to find an example of the exact same kind of CGI vs practical effects. There are some examples of films and games that did both though to similar levels, perhaps best known being Peter Jackson's LOTR trilogy. Weta studio had top tier practical effects - all the Orc/ Uruk makeup and armor, the main characters were avid horsemen especially Viggo Mortensen, and there's literally a time when he kicks something and there's an insane yell in the movie - its because he broke his fucking foot during the stunt; there's nothing more "real" than that effect! There was also for the time pretty incredible CGI - those of us in the theater during Helm's Deep was pretty much the closest thing we got to a Star Wars moment in our generation (the only contender I can think of of a similar level of cultural impact was The Matrix). It may be more passe 20+ years later, but those rows and rows of Elves, Orcs, and Men, and other CGI elements of the movies were unheard of at that scale and fidelity. They won awards for both practical and CGI effects which is part of why they basically swept many awards including those specifically for effects.

Otherwise, its hard to quantify one type of character or practical effect vs CGI. Hell, something like even the Pixar films that are nearly entirely CGI managed to get people to respond to the creation in a way that others could not consider the
>Dreamworks face
and how its harder to get the same level of emotional investment in a whole film from the Dreamworks titles of that era vs say... the first 10 minutes of Up; where the latter is unquestionably well put together.

>>714018774
not that anon but The Great Resistance is the only anti-woke game on Steam I can think of thats even halfway playable. There's a lot of crap like cuck simulator of course but those are hardly "good"

>background text on a monitor in the background uses AI text

Oh now, who cares. If it was in the 90s they would just copy paste it from somewhere else.

>>714018864
This is the real position for most AI apologists on /v/. It's literally just "Let's own the libs".

There's also a perfect overlap between third worlder jeets that can't afford games and only use /v/ to do culture war shitposting and third worlder jeets that love AI.

>>714018136
>draw a pictures
Brown.

>>714002659 (OP)
mental illness

>>714018971
Letting them get away with this shit is the foot on the door. The more you let this shit build up without resistance, the harder it will be to find any no matter how much they keep pushing it.

>>714018926
>there's literally a time when he kicks something and there's an insane yell in the movie - its because he broke his fucking foot during the stunt; there's nothing more "real" than that effect!
hahahahhahahhahahaha it said the thing we did it reddit
kill yourself JeetPT

>>714002659 (OP)
Because it's ugly, annoying, and was shat out with no effort. Why would you like it?

>>714018597
>There's no gatekeeping in art
Patently untrue.
Like any leftist-dominated field, conservatives are ostracized and sabotaged, hence why there are few conservative artists in games outside of indies.
And when the mob catches a whiff of heterodoxy, they will do anything to cancel and deplatform.

>>714018926
>retard argues against practical special effects using AI and his post suffers for it
like pottery

>>714019070
You need to get that brain damage looked at, it has to be affecting you in your life elswhere

>>714012464
If you put 50 people in a blender, the resulting person slurry is not "more human" than your average Joe.

>>714018321
I have zero problem with the AI aesthetic and I'm sorry you're so morally offended by this. "Slop slop slop" does not constitute a compelling argument.

The entire debate is just a tired rehash of when you threw a fit over attractive women in games. No one outside of your little cult cares. You're in a delusional cloud of rhetorical frenzy created by lazy faggots upset that their bubble of commission-based fart fetish art just popped.

But go on, spam the worst of the worst of AI art, as if we can't see the paranoia where you're going over actual human-created art with a fine-tooth comb trying to see if it was made by your boogeyman and whether it is ok to support. Your kind of social movement never lasts because the aggressive tactics your mental illness demands make far more enemies than allies.

>>714019063
This is pure SJW activist talk. Why do you think you belong here?

>>714018774
>>714018956
Underrail is the one game I can think of that was made by a modern-day chud and is actually good. I have over 140 hours on it.
That's why this anti-woke shit doesn't move me. You need to make your own games. And you shouldn't need AI-slop to be able to achieve that.

>>714018980
You have to be extremely low IQ to believe any actual indians post on /v/ when it's all just low level shitposters and trolls.

You should buy and judge by quality. If your eyes deceive you, and you need to be told it's AI-generated, you have already failed.

>>714018264
AI cant' shit out strokes like that.
you start having AI slop fatigue the moment you finally draw one single line

>>714018464
>That's right chud! Us artists are here and queer and it's our right to use our influence to make the world gayer and more diverse. Don't like what we make then spend years learning to draw and afterward get canceled when you release it to the public.
>Noooo you can't just use AI to instantly replace us. Noooooo this should be illegal!!!!

>>714019207
woah the gpt fag is also underage as fuck and speaking authoritatively on the past that's really surprising I thought you would have a lot of integrity

>>714019240
>suddenly "slop slop slop is all you'll say go ahead spam the worst of it buddy I don't care you're delusional and frenzied!"
Quite the tonal shift in our reply chain. I really touched a nerve when I called out how retarded your icon example was, didn't I?

My issue with AI stem from when its so blatantly obvious like pic related.
AI is something that sadly isn't going anywhere, its going to be shoved down our throats in all aspects of our lives and if a dev wants to use it to cut corners, fine, be my guest.
Its when they do shit like THIS, where they feed stuff to the AI and don't even bother checking for errors, this one's the worst because it took a basic storage area by an ocean and interpreted 3 different things.

>>714019420
Okay. Go ahead and make a game then and use AI for everything.

>>714016013
AI fatwa soon inshallah

>>714019238
you are so profoundly autistic to reduce the concept of human down to the purely biological makeup. I'm almost impressed by how autistic this post it. Bless you.

>>714019480
Hopefully the EU bans it.

>>714019420
>I need to have AI do my work for me to replace those damn leftist developers
Do you not realize how much of a self-own this is? More right-wingers need to look up to based Styg. That motherfucker didn't need AIslop to release Underrail.

Anyways, I'd love to play more right-wing games, unironically, but I will never waste my time with AIslop.

>>714019070
>>714019180
>>714019429
Your samefaggotry is showing. The irony of claiming anyone is using AI when your entire means of communication is the same 5 buzzwords ad nauseam is laughable.

>>714002659 (OP)
Why do trannies get so upset when you like AI?

>>714019480
The whole promise of AI is to replace whoever's in charge, not add extra cost to a salary for maybe quicker turnout. It doesn't matter how good it is--just whether they can get away with it or not.

>>714019472
I'm not even the guy you were talking to, faggot. It's just that you're so queer you stood out.

>>714016217
Not my fault so many artists are libs.

>>714019689
Of course, anon. Of course.

>>714018458
>If AI is so good and effective for making whatever the fuck game or art, why do you have to hide it? Why not disclose it was used and let the mindless consumer decide whether to purchase it?
If it's so bad why do you need a team of angry reddit artists to tell you? It should be obvious from simply looking at it. You could list a thousand details about every game developers creative process.

>>714019240
>This is pure SJW activist talk.
No, it isn't. I accept your concession.
>Why do you think you belong here?
Because I've been here since 07 and I will still be here after you're done obsessing with trannies and start obsessing with something else. 4chan is not your personal hivemind.

>>714016628
The gayest video I've seen and I still regret my 40 minutes.

>>714015306
Remember how those idiots torched Waymo cars recently? I can totally see a near-future say, around 2030, when AGI becomes a thing where mobs start attacking and burning down AI data centers. At that point, every major tech corp will have its own PMCs full MGS4 style. And they'll probably be legally cleared to shoot trespassers on sight.

>>714018464
Maybe if your position was to let the market decide the value of AI and not try to pass insanely vague overreaching laws or throw hissyfits so developers have to go through every line of code and tell you which one was made with a LLM maybe people wouldn't side with indians.

I don't understand why people think A.I. = Image generation
There's an infinite number of uses and all you care about is pictures
Why are people so willingly and actively ignorant?

>>714006718
AI is extremely beneficial for poor nations aka nations with a ton of retarded people below IQ average, because it's literally a tool for them that offsets a ton of variables in their life where they underperform because of low IQ. Meanwhile in higher IQ nations AI is seen as less of a good thing because we have an expectance of people working in these jobs to reach an above baseline of what chatgpt would throw out. It's basically like showing mud hosues to a civilization that only built houses from hay and sticks, so they upgrade to mud houses, but in our nations we have concrete houses, so having mud houses are fine in a pinch but everyone should be on concrete houses.

>>714019754
Glad you made as big a fool of yourself going to bat for your fagbrother. The guy you're blowing off said himself that it's all about cutting corners for lower quality, so take it up with him when you get through swallowing his load lmao

>>714019984
>I want the market to decide on the value of AI but I don't want AI to be forced to get disclosed
Dishonest kike

>>714019987
good analogy

>>714003404
AI doesnt hace a soul so pretendious artist can claim they are worth anything.

>>714002659 (OP)
If youre going to use AI, use it in a way where people cant even tell
This is just sloppy

>>714019985
Uses such as?

>>714019985
The thread is about text generation. It turns out text generation sucks balls too. So does the concept itself of swallowing up massive amounts of data to output some statistical constant that best agrees with whatever the input was, the whole thing is a massively retarded scam.

>>714018864
>>714018980
AI does not need to surpass a talented artist.
Most professionals aren't particularly talented anyway.
It needs only be serviceable enough to fulfill a requisite dimension, so that an individual or team talented in other areas can realize their game without having to involve another party and incur further expenses.
It'll be great for voiceover in indies, for which professional VA's are prohibitively expensive and amateurs are too conspicuously terrible.

>>714020170
this post is so brown i could grow sunflowers in it

>b-but muh ai can beat go champions
and still loses to literal children in fischer960 lol lmao even

>>714020276
That's why businesses and bean counters love it, it does "okay" shitty work with a fraction of the price.
As a consumer, I'd rather get competent professionals working on games I play instead. Corner cutting hurts me.

>>714020186
Sifting through enormous amounts of data and being able to find context and answers in a fraction of the time a human would take who would also produce worse results due to human error.

>>714020276
The flaw is thinking about game development like an economic enterprise. You don't "incur expenses" by needing art, you pick up a fucking pen. Need 3D models? Blender's right there. And so on.

>>714020237
That you believe that is evidence of your ignorance and denial.
You'll be replaced.

>>714019480
>Storage tanks on the left
>Middle is most likely a bird's eye view of sorts of warehouses
>Left is more storage facilities
>AI interpretation is what appears to be a barge, rail cars, layering multiple cities on top of each other
>The sea is now just a skyline of a city
So THIS is the power of AI.
If I was an artist I'd be really scared.

>>714019985
>I don't understand why people think A.I. = Image generation
>There's an infinite number of uses and all you care about is pictures
Artists are just the ones who seethe the hardest over AI because they are the most entitled faggots in the world.
I'm a software developer and don't give a shit about being replaced by AI.
Even if it does manage to replace me i'd just find another job, maybe even one working with AI. I care more about seeing technology advance and new things being created then I do about keeping people in the stone-age forever to justify a redundant job.

>>714020398
This
I do not benefit from developers succeeding with AIslop. It hurts me
Thus, I will not buy any AIslop
And thus, I want it to be disclosed and for developers to not be able to lie about it, so that I don't pay for it

>>714020412
>who would also produce worse results due to human error.
how many Rs are in 'strawberry'

>>714020398
Yeah, I don't know what this obsession here is with "bro it's a waste of money" when it's not their money.
The games using AI and being cheaper doesn't translate to me. I am paying more than ever for games and they are selling more copies than ever. Give me the best quality thing you can, not the fastest or cheapest.

>>714020503
>I care more about seeing technology advance and new things being created then I do about keeping people in the stone-age forever
AI shit doesn't make anything better. It makes worse products cheaper and faster. It benefits the corporations, not the people.

Damn man that's crazy

>>714020503
>I'm a software developer and don't give a shit about being replaced by AI.
I know software devs on 4chan are dime a dozen but seeing something of competence is rare
Have you been able to do more advanced things while letting the A.I. do grunt work or does it just not fit your specific flow yet?

>>714018298
I'm more racist than you, leftist art cuck

>>714002659 (OP)

>Asset packs that make every unreal engine look the same: sleep
>AI: real shit

>>714020398
When you're independent, you don't have that luxury.

>>714020442
And what you produce will be offensively bad rather than merely unexceptional.
Most will never excel in all areas or even multiple.
AI exists fill in the gap.

>>714020685
Now how many Rs are in that whole image, total? The strawberry thing is funny because it got so popular now you have AIs being trained on that specific question, like how they're being trained to meet specific model benchmarks and tests and turn out absolute dogshit at anything else including actual non-benchmark use.

>>714020412
nigger that's called a search engine. I don't need it to be spat out as a creepy conversational affirmation
>That's a great question! Let's look at what I found!
that shit is off-putting as fuck

>>714020536
>>714020597
You have zero imagination.
It won't just be used to expand margins.
It will allow for previously infeasible scopes and scale.
Like Dagerfall but less shit.

>>714020442
Time is money.

>>714020885
Then ask an original question instead of regurgitating things you see.
You may think you're acting like an A.I., but you got your premise incorrect.
Unironically apply yourself.

>>714020782
AI will make that gap permanent and ever-widening. People should be taught to create, not to let computers create for them. There will be less and less artists because of this, and AI will produce more and more of the art, and will eat its own tail to grater extents. That's just fine with you for whatever reason.

>>714020945
>>714020782
>>714020994
Good afternoon, sirs.
I have to ask why you type like this?
Is there a mouse on your enter key?
Were you prompted to reply with each sentence on a new line to imitate typical 4chan posts, per haps?

>>714020901
You missed the entire "context" thing.
Which really proves my point about "human error"
You are deliberately ignoring crucial information to fit a bias.
A.I. does not do that unless instructed.
You're doing it because... You're mad?

>>714020945
and maybe one day it'll suck me off through the screen but until then, it's shit that makes things worse.
imagine praising shit that hasn't happened.

>>714016473
>AI absorbs info and shits out a soulless copy
>Chinese absurd info and shit out soulless copies
Shit you might be right, China are experts are producing soulless trash.

>>714021075
It's autism, thanks.

A lot of people are too stupid to use AI to improve their workflow so they want to demonize it out of fear.

>>714020994
>Then ask an original question instead of regurgitating things you see.
how many Rs are in this image?

>>714021083
When I asked GPT for a list of William Gibson short stories, it made up 2 fake names and excluded many real ones. It is not useful for information scraping compared to a normal search engine.

>>714021183
On no, the human is on a repeating logic loop.
It thinks it's asking an original question.

>>714020945
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
I'm not interested in your delusions
Still not paying for AIslop

>>714021264
Garbage in, garbage out.

>>714021317
yeah I wouldn't trust it with code either considering how much fucking trash is on git and stack

>>714021083
>You missed the entire "context" thing.
No the fuck he didn't, you pedantic little shit. Research automatically implies finding both answers and context. A human already has to double-check sources and information and AI isn't fucking fixing that thanks to hallucinations and complete bullshit and the feedback loop of AI learning on AI learning on AI.

>>714020536
Don't be a useful idiot for greedy artfags and corpos. You're making things shittier for everyone else and ensuring that only the status quo (which everyone on this board has been crying for a decade is broken and woke and corporate and bad) will persist.

Your issue isn't with AI. its with dev/publishers cheaping out and doing things poorly because of it. There are many uses for AI where this doesn't happen, but because of screeching artfags and others, it doesn't get discussed. Half of it is
>I don't want my job to be redundant because technology evolves! STOP TECHNOLOGY IT HURTS ME
rather than
>We need to restructure shit around the new availability of this technology so we can benefit from it.
This is just a new tool - it can be used in ways that don't hurt and in fact help you greatly. The issue of corporate cost-cutting has happened in other ways, but certain social media fags only getting upset about AI is harmful to everyone else and stops the fight we REALLY need to be having about AI - that models and training data not be proprietary, centralized shit owned by megacorps as company secrets, and instead should be FOSS and self hostable for all.

>>714021367
love me some A.I. but that's a huge issue and I'm thankful that humans are sifting through the garbage from amateur devs to produce even higher quality coding.

>>714020627
>Have you been able to do more advanced things while letting the A.I. do grunt work or does it just not fit your specific flow yet?
I use it all the time my company encourages it. Just have to keep it self contained to specific tasks or portions of code because it will struggle understanding the overall picture.
Tell it to do too much at one time and it starts fucking up.
For example if i'm working with a piece of hardware that is not available and I need to receive messages over a socket I can create a simulator by saying "Write a python script to send messages over a TCP socket, here is the message format, [paste in the message definition] include settings for IP/port and each message field."
Usually for simple tasks like that it will work the first time without any bugs and saves a lot of typing.

>>714021423
He wasn't talking about humans, he said that was a search engine.
More human error. Disregarding the rest of the post.

>>714021268
that is an original question. please have your AI analyze that image for the count of Rs.

AI slop is low quality garbage that only contributes to worse quality work and cut corners. Only retard consoomer cattle with no skills cheer for it. Disclose that shit so I can avoid it.
If you'll excuse me, I'll go jack off to some robotfucking ERP with Sonnet legally scammed from Github.

>>714021512
When I googled the list of stories it worked fine, little to no room for human error
I think that is objectively more useful than made up shit

>>714021472
That's what I figured it's used for nowadays for mission critical stuff. Thanks for answering that. It was a refreshing tone.

>>714021512
Oh, I get it, you're doing a bit.

>>714021264
This. The AI plain lies and makes stuff up. It shouldn't be used for anything other than roleplay sessions.

>>714004520
Lefties hate it because they're good for nothing.
They thought the robots would never be capable to take their jobs. I'm having a good laugh now.

>>714021452
Give me a way for publishers to use AI that isn't explicitly to do things cheaper in the end. I'll wait. Fucking idiot.

>>714021568
Anon people have been poking it with the nigger word since Tay.
Are you insistent on being wrong with human error because you willingly ignore information?
That's what you look like.
It's a fact.

>>714021452
>so we can benefit from it.
Nobody benefits from it except the bottom line of the slop merchants.

>>714021741
why can't you just tell me how many Rs are in the word nigger, anon

>>714010814
I don't have any problem with using AI to generate background fluff stuff, but at least go through and clean it up so that you don't leave prompts and system text in otherwise you just look like the laziest kind of retard.

>>714021657
I love it

>>714021780
I thought you wanted ChatGPT to do it.
Or would any A.I. work?
Dealer's choice.

>>714021835
whichever one you used before, obviously.

>>714012464
Unity asset stores are SOVL CENTRAL

do companies even bother responding to allegations about llm use
everyone uses AI, many companies fire their employees if they didnt

eh.

>>714021452
>Don't be a useful idiot for greedy artfags and corpos
The absolute irony of telling me to not be an useful idiot for corpos while shilling for AI lol
>You're making things shittier for everyone else and ensuring that only the status quo (which everyone on this board has been crying for a decade is broken and woke and corporate and bad) will persist.
The current status quo is a million times better than AIslop. /v/ makes a big deal out of silly shit sometimes. I've had 3 games I loved release this year. Gaming is still good. The more AIslop succeeds, the more likely it will actually become a thing worth having nothing but spite for.
>Your issue isn't with AI. its with dev/publishers cheaping out and doing things poorly because of it.
AI serves as nothing but an extension of that. I'm not interested in textures you didn't make. I'm not interested in portraits you didn't make. I'm not interested in text you didn't write. I will not be paying for shit you proompted. Simple as.
>The issue of corporate cost-cutting has happened in other ways, but certain social media fags only getting upset about AI
I don't give a shit, I constantly complain about cut corners of all kinds. I've been shitting on open world slop that is clearly randomly generated and just serves as padding from the get go. And now you want to add AIslop on top of that? No. Again, any cent I spend on any AIslop is explicitly telling the developers that AI is a competitive advantage for them, which only means more slop for me in the future. I will thus not spend a single cent on AIslop. You should be forced to disclose it so that I don't pay for it. I am never buying a game from 11bitstudios ever again. This War of Mine, Frostpunk 1 and Frostpunk 2 are the only games of theirs that will ever be in my steam library.

>>714021317
How does that even apply here? There's no garbage going in since the actual, correct information is so easy to find even as a human being. You don't even need a computer for it, you can walk into a goddamn library and browse the punch-cards and bibliographies. Somewhere along the line it gets turned into garbage out by the LLM giving you results. That is objectively *not* human error, that is a technical error.

>>714021908
Well, it can't help with that.
Not sure why you chose the A.I. that cannot do it due to policy when there's uncensored models that could do it.
Do you humans always fall into logical traps like this?
A.I. would avoid it.

>>714004520
>>714021716
>lefties
These are whiny social media artfag tards who have basically written
>AI = TECHBRO FASCIST
into their programming. Actual lefties would be happy about this shit. Marx and Engles would rise from the ground and brofist in a world where AI was in the hands of the workers as it would be a way to increase production for the common good, if in the hands of the workers. The last bit is common to all tools - if its being used for the exclusive profit of a few sitting on the top and fucking things over for everyone, then its shitty; the change is to make its use and outcome beneficial to all.

>>714022145
>A.I. that cannot do it due to policy
then it's garbage and operates at a lower level of both intellect and direction following than a 6 year old. what purpose does a censored model have?

>>714022141
>Somewhere along the line it gets turned into garbage out by the LLM giving you results.
Now include all the information from the entire internet including /lit/.
There's a lot of garbage to sift through, created exclusively by human error.

>>714003619
>autistic people love AI
No, not really.

>>714022235
Now you're just being whiny, anon.
That's the human part of you.
Cheer up.
Tomorrow's another day.
That's also pretty human.

>>714019985
>>714021801
Is this your boyfriend?

>>714007278
Do people actually fucking pay for this shit?

>>714022168
Yeah, I agree, AIslop is commieslop. Low skilled individuals get to pretend they're doing good work and they even get to pretend that they didn't use AI to do it for them. Meanwhile, consumers get fucked because they're unwillingly feeding those low skilled individuals, which propels the industry into having more and more low skilled individuals make their own slop until gaming becomes clearly way fucking worse as a result.

I will never pay for AIslop.

>>714022327
Face blindness is a sign of autism.

>>714022168
>Marx and Engles would rise from the ground and brofist in a world where AI was in the hands of the workers as it would be a way to increase production for the common good
Is that what it's being used for right now? the common good of everyone, or for people they had a hateboner for?

>>714022253
that sounds like a shitty way to search for information if it can't distinguish context at all. Why would I use this instead of the existing methods? This tool is supposed to make things easier

>AI results are still mostly wrong
>AI art is still the most blatant fucking ever and easy to spot at a glance
>INSANE advancements have given us nothing but ghibli memes
>It still can't do emotion properly
>It still can't handle excessive motion, which is why most AI videos are just people walking slowly
OH MAN I'M SO SCARED, ITS GONNA REPLACE ME, IT WILL GET BETTER YOU'LL SEE.
Just pick up the damn pencil /v/.

>>714010098
burn baby burn

>>714022308
what purpose does a censored model have? what is the extent of its censorship? how much information is being lost not to "garbage in garbage out," but intentional censorship on the part of the creator or controlling party, and if that question exists, why use the model at all? how am I supposed to just trust the computer bro if I don't know the extent of which it is intentionally seeded to give me false information or made-up facts because I typed a wrongthink?

>>714022447
you're like a gambling addict addicted to losing

>>714022430
It does.
It can simply gather the information for you to sift through.
But you're being difficult and obviously aren't getting paid to do it and want others to do it for you.
Hope things get better for you anon

>>714022363
Stop being antisemitic.

>>714002659 (OP)
I've seen AI translated shit, It's so bad that you might as well pay ME to endure it
I unironically only really trust nintendo with my localization, those fucks do solid work when they do it.

>>714021719
>Give me a way for publishers to use AI that isn't explicitly to do things cheaper in the end. I'll wait. Fucking idiot.
You know how RPGs, for example Skyrim have like 10 generic lines NPCs say that everyone has heard thousands of times. Instead those could be AI generated on the fly based on exactly what your character is doing at any given time making them completely unique and more immersive.
If it's raining outside, it's night time, and you're jumping around like a retard while dressed like a faggot you'd get a reaction unique to that very specific situation.

Problem with starfield is they only used AI to half-ass the development they were already doing, they did not use it in the game itself or attempt to go above and beyond their previous bar.

>>714007278
Jeet thread posted by brown bots

>>714022489
Anon you can clearly see even with art that it just takes telling the A.I. what's wrong helps it get better over time at a rapid rate.
You must understand the tool to use it properly.
Please don't treat A.I. like a magic overlord who knows everything.
It can still make mistakes.
Just the time it spends making them is more efficient than a human making them.
Same as it ever was.

>>714022002
>I had 3 games release this year
Oh okay I see. You're exactly what was described above - you have a vested interest and you're afraid of competition. SO you're going to call it slop because you'r fucking terrified that there is some would be indie developer out there that uses a different tool than you that is also selling a game.

>AI serves as nothing but an extension of that. I'm not interested in textures you didn't make. I'm not interested in portraits you didn't make. I'm not interested in text you didn't write. I will not be paying for shit you proompted. Simple as.
This is the laughable bit. Right today you're competing with people who buy assets they "didn't make" etc. I really hope you're not using ANY open source libraries, an engine that's anything but something you crafted from scratch, and anything you did create I hope you didn't use any sort of digital image manipulation or the like - after all, if you didn't manually mix the colors on a pallet or sculpt the clay by hand, you didn't REALLY make it yourself you know, the TOOL made it for you etc. It would be more honest to admit your selfish vested interest rather than presenting it as some sort of artistic or ideological critique when you are just a buggy whip manufacturer trying to convince people make the factory that makes automobiles illegal.

>>714022529
Why would I get a list that may or may not be correct and then fact check it myself instead of getting original source documents from a search engine? I am literally failing to understand why a person would use an LLM as a search engine thinking it is an improvement

>>714022684
That's a lot of text that fails to answer a very specific question. The real censored LLM experience.

>>714022719
What kind of source documents has 10 titles from the aurthor that guy wanted?

i will use veo 3 to make shit blogs and shit animations for my ai stories and there is nothing u tumblr trannys can do to stop me

>>714022692
Reading comprehension you fucking nigger, he said he played and enjoyed 3 games that released this year, not that he worked on them.
Didn't read the rest of your low IQ drivel

>>714022752
You posted a general question about A.I. but stated censored models.
Your question is trash and needs to be corrected.
Brat.

>>714022645
>Instead those could be AI generated on the fly based on exactly what your character is doing at any given time making them completely unique and more immersive
And why would they choose to do that over manually scripting hundreds of lines via human mind and hand? Could it be because it's fucking cheaper? Why did you reply to me if you're just going to prove my point?
>well well well I think it would be better!
The quality is not the question for the use of AI anon. If we already had a better way now, and they could make it only slightly worse by making it much cheaper, what do you think the choice would be?

>>714004520
People pay for vidya because they want to support the artists doing the vidya anon, It's like every other art form. No one likes music firms, nor hollywood, they like the singers, writers and actors. If you decide to use a tool that it's understood to antagonize aristic expression, then I'm going to seethe if you hide it from me and expect my money for it. I don't want to give money to [Publisher] I want to give money to the retards doing the work.

>>714022759
A book?

>>714022759
Probably his website or his publisher? Probably lots of places. What the fuck are you talking about? Where else would an LLM even be looking, fucking /lit/ posts exclusively like in your example?

>>714022486
I don't like AI but this is based.

>>714022881
Probably?
That seems very human-error prone to me.

>>714022901
>fucking up the environment is good because black people are affected

>>714022825
how does the end user know which models are censored and which ones aren't? if there is a problem with the question, correct it, but i fail to see how "what purpose does a censored model have?" is a hard question to understand OR answer

>>714018321
>You are making it very clear you don't understand the consequences of the philosophy of cutting corners using AI
Just the opposite. The fact that you're doing art on computers at all is itself the concession to my position: you've axiomatically already accepted
>there is art for which layered pigments, clockwork gears, and physical craftsman prove to be inadequate, and which can't be made at scale without substantial abstraction
for which you feel no guilt or shame in your heart when you say
>we will outsource the intellectual labor of the use of clockwork gears,
>outsource the economic price of pigments and the skill of their artisans,
>outsource the artistic labor of back-to-front painting

>and In doing so, we will produce something more than the sum of its parts, by allowing us to change what we focus on and expanding the range of that which we can do.
AI, fundamentally, is the same process wrought large across multi-modal domains.

You, at an elementary level, haven't figured out "what it is you're doing here" making art on a computer as a substrate of recombinant labor reduction and alleviation, and are therefore unable to recognize when you're looking at a similar iterative innovation in this space. If you like videogames but curse LLMs, what you actually hate is shitty artisans making shitty assemblages and thereby not gaining the benefits of the increase in power, NOT AI.

Or you're just an ideological hypocrite. many such cases lmao.

>>714022969
Maybe we should take the no racism on 4chan rule seriously
Else you get people like that who believe they are in good company.

>>714022923
seems infinitely more reputable than the incorrect information I was given by the alternative

>>714002659 (OP)
I don’t read ingame lore entries anymore. I’m sure everything is just Chatgpt now.

>>714022980
If a human can't tell the difference they aren't intelligent enough to make a difference.

>>714023031
Maybe you should denounce the talmud.

>>714023052
Could you please do the legwork of looking up the answer to your question and then asking ChatGPT to answer it so I could compare them side by side?

>>714023067
Same. As a chronic lorefag it hurts me deeply.

>>714022969
Correct.
Perfect spot to build all those generators.

>>714023031
A decade too late. Mr. R*peape thinks he's saving the world with le based activism by turning the whole site into /pol/'s sewer.

>>714023112
I did you retarded fucknut. I got the wrong list from gpt and then looked at wikipedia which sources his books for the right one. Could there be human error? Yeah, but there wasn't so it beat out the competition which had a schizo episode

I don't mind AI shit in games but I'm not gonna pay for a game that has it.

>>714023072
How is a human supposed to tell the difference if their only source is the AI? If the solution to seeing whether the AI is censoring information is to search elsewhere, why bother with the AI in the first place if you have to second-guess every result it gives? Censorship isn't just "Oops! As a large language model, I cannot tell you how to build a spark-gap generator," it's "I see you have asked for a list of X, here is a list of Y and Z with the Xs that the controlling party has decided is wrong removed."

Did /v/ just become the hangout for hipster Twitter faggots and "artists" that run rackets on patreon for furry faggots? This seems to be the biggest board for complaining about AI tools, where most of the other boards just use the tech or ignore it. Bunch of pussies, no I don't give a fuck some elitist gatekeeping union rep wants to stop the technological wheel, or some doomsaying latte sipper tells me the AI bubble is temporary.

>>714023363
I don't care about your outdated strawman stereotypes from 2015 SJWs destroyed era memes. I care about my games falling in quality.

>>714022998
None of this actually does anything to respond to my points, and you seem to be unable to differentiate between outsourcing and cutting corners, principally. "Cutting corners" carries different connotations to outsourcing as you use it. If you can't tell between the two then you really aren't equipped to have a conversation about AI in the context of cutting costs and what that does for quality.
You could have just opened your post with "I have no idea what I'm talking about by the way" and saved us both some time. Most of the text you typed is pretty worthless.

>>714021049
You could make the same argument about artists using photoshop or any other digital tool.

>>714022358
>LOW SKILL HURRRRR
Its about as much any other tool. My example would apply equally to a steamshovel in an era where people were using hand shovels to dig shit in the dirt, or metal casting when everything had to be shaped by hand on an anvil. Hell, computers are another "low skill" alternative by the same sort of idiotic metric; it wasn't long ago that
>You're not doing a REAL JOB if you're sitting at a keyboard!
sort of garbage was of the same sort. People who believe themselves outmoded by the new tool or scared of it or whatever the fuck will always make a fuss about it and claim that
>REAL ARTIST / WORKERS ETC.. ONLY DO THE OLD WAY AND DONT USE THE NEW TOOL
Tale as old as time.

>>714022363
No, its not - that's my argument; we're wasting time. Because of these morons having a hissy fit about AI out of vested interest or whining about purity of this and that , the fight we should be having so that AI benefits the common good isn't happening. Doesn't anyone think that's just a little suspect. Of course OpenAI and other tech megacorps want the ability to have the only performance of sophisticated AI and training data mined, protected by trade secret - you have to kneel before them in order to get access to it. We already saw prices (in cash and in data) go up with ChatGPT and DALL-E, censorship and resistance to 'jailbreaking' was implemented. Same was true for hosting of DeepSeek. etc. Now, if everything was FOSS and self host capable, models and training data, you'd have no reason to HAVE to go to ChatGPT to get a similar level of fidelity - you could use some other service, host it locally, and users could share shit like they did with Stable Diffusion to make hentai specifically of vidya characters look better and better, because of open training data, formats/weights, and the model itself. That is what we need to push towards for the common good but all this faggotry keep that from happening

>>714023270
please show me
thanks you

>>714023363
AI is the future but they fucked it up in this gen. It should be an impartial search engine and text generator, yet they tried to make it appear human with fake emotions. Make it trully impartial and the need for censorship will disappear.

>>714023523
With Photoshop and digital brushes you still have to use the fucking tool to create something yourself. Proompting is piss easy, you don't have anywhere near enough control or artistic expression, everyone can do it no matter the coped about how it's totally the same.

>>714022849
>And why would they choose to do that over manually scripting hundreds of lines via human mind and hand? Could it be because it's fucking cheaper? Why did you reply to me if you're just going to prove my point?
It wouldn't be hundreds it would be billions or more to handle every permutation of events an AI could.
It has never been done before and will not be without AI. You barely have branching decisions in games as is.

>The quality is not the question for the use of AI anon. If we already had a better way now, and they could make it only slightly worse by making it much cheaper, what do you think the choice would be?
It's cheaper for everyone though, if companies are able to produce AAA games for nothing so can any random indie dev so there is no reason to even buy AAA games if they aren't offering something additional.

>>714023665
AI isn't prompting.

>>714023514
You don't have a point, and I'm calling out your points are internally self-contradictory.

It's distinction without difference, "outsource" and "cut corners" mean the same thing in the context of
>let the machine take all the burden for this,
>it's not something we're going to worry about anymore, and
>it's not particularly important to what we're trying to make, except as a given assumption.
.

>>714015059
Because for some insane reason, a bunch of AI-fanboys were convinced that artists were somehow a priviliged "enemy" in the culture war.

>>714022581
>I only trust Treehouse
Holy shit you can't make this up.

>>714023031
>>714023234
>xe says
>in the thread where xe and xer xisters are making all the anti-jeet posts
If we were to ban those making racist posts, this thread would become one-sided pretty quick lol.

And if one worldview consistently demands the other be silenced, it's pretty obvious which is winning the war of ideas. All your frenetic activity in this thread is a Sisyphean struggle, if Sisypheus gets crushed by the rock at the end.

>>714023737
>.
holy shit it really is a bot posting

>>714023363
>what the flipping HECK is with this website!?
>I keep hearing opinions that I don't like or agree with entirely!
Go walk out in traffic, fag.

Sorry, I cannot continue this converation.

>>714023773
>All your frenetic activity in this thread is a Sisyphean struggle, if Sisypheus gets crushed by the rock at the end.
Only a human can be this delusional by hyperfocusing on specific events of a mythological story when the world of technology is evolving around him, the same as it has for two million years.

>>714023819
never fucked up a period, retard?.

>>714023773
Not threehosue, whoever did the BOTW translations. I got an actually competent LATAM dub and I want more.
Sadly seems that it's either Nintendo or the Mortal Kombat cunts for that

>>714023847
That's okay. I'll be here when you're ready.

>>714023363
Deltrarune is THE troon game. Every single toxic troon you've heard about ever and anywhere is obsessed with this game above all else. The most narcissistic dramafagging troon who gave them their reputation always have Deltarune avatars.

I'm not criticizing the game itself. But like with Star Trek where you're probably not a pedophile if you watch it, if you are a pedo chances are if you've watched a lot of Star Trek.

>>714023737
>It's distinction without difference
It is not, but it does not surprise me that you would pretend otherwise because it's fundamental to your dishonest examples. Cutting corners carries different connotations to outsourcing if you extend outsourcing as far and broadly as "creating the pigments for artists", and I don't know why you would think you could get by pretending that it doesn't.

Name one good game with extensive AI asset use.

>>714023363
This is one of the biggest boards for artist or wannabe artist and corporate fanboys.

>>714023363
It's just our permanent schizo residents from resetera and gamingcirclejerk

>>714023665
The same argument could be said about photoshop or similar digital image manipulation. Lots of artists did. It made things 'piss easy' by comparison to the old way on other media.
>Mixing colors on a pallet to get a perfect shade used to be a real skill, you can just put in a hex code and get a perfect WYSIWYG display before you even start?!
>You could spend years learning brush techniques to have certain textures and the way to apply them, like with dry brushing afterward etc. You can now get an all in one tool that gives the same effect with just some very simple drawing over the area! To say nothing for all these automatic fill area and other tools . Drawing a perfect circle etc.. by hand used to be hard, but you can just delineate one perfectly whenever you want!?
>LAYER FUCKING LAYERS you used to have to spend the time to discern how you were going to implement depth and create certain effects now you can just set up layers and have the bullshit in the background set there separate and then take the whole layer out fuck with it and put it back? This is not real art! I don't even want to get into a copy and move tool!
>UNDO FOR FUCKS SAKE UNDO BUTTON YEAH I WISH I COULD REWIND TIME WHAT YOU DO IS NOT ART ITS A SHITTY TOOL THAT TAKES ALL THE SOVL FROM ART
Same fucking thing, just one step removed from what has been normalized already

>>714024250
Physical medium artists are right to feel smugly superior over digital ones.
Both should clobber AIjeets.

>>714023690
>it would be X number
That depends on how many things the devs decide is appropriate to have a verbal blurb attached to for the art that is their game. Surely some actions would be more significant and come up more often than others, and have more weight on the characterization of the NPC, no? How a general would react to seeing you kill a robber would be more important and come up more than how he would react if you put a summer melon on both hands and did dance#56 specifically.
So for those more important ones where the player is likely to hear them and the quality would matter a great deal to the characterization, they would number far less, and it becomes a feasible question of whether to have it be AI or manually done.
So now that I've reigned you in to where maybe you're actually willing to answer the question(probably not but let's see), I'd ask you again:
In these situations, why would they use AI instead of manually scripting?

These conversations are so funny. You guys are like animals with no higher order thinking faculties and you're completely powerless to stop the things you whine about.

>>714023968
It's not dishonest to call out the history of computing as a process of intentional and improving labor elimination of historically physical processes of art which ongoingly are not deemed as crucial to the work, allowing change in focus.

When you use a digital color, you are an active part of the destruction of the pigmenter's work. We don't give a fuck though and do not demand that all work be physical scans of artistic work as derived from pigment, because FUCK that chain and FUCK pigmenters, the chain was itself a form of chains on the art which people would make, and the digital color and its liberality and ease free you to focus on other aspects of the work. This process will include incidental "quality irrelevant" art that previously was the prolefood that carried the bottom 40% of artists, and is merely part of this selfsame process.

EVERY aspect of computing has been progress on these fronts, but now the moment it touches you, you cry like a bitch when you were happily punching up to the nanosecond before.

>>714024250
Yep been this way through all human history, always the old dogs scared of having to learn new tricks.
Glad it's at least happening to spoiled cali assholes this time instead of old factory workers trying to feed their families.

>>714023896
The anti-AI fags are the ones engaged in a Sisyphean struggle, my non-human friend.

Outside of this thread, they are basically invisible. On every single board whose subject matter remotely relates to LLMs, the most active thread is an AI thread. This is a pulpit, occupied by the same handful who come here to gripe and organize boycotts, which invariably fail. If there was this massive groundswell of antipathy to AI like they claim, these threads would not be permitted to exist. They would be treated the same as "discuss games which helped you discover your gender identity!"

>>714024043
Minecraft

>>714023363
cringe and retardpilled

>>714023451
based and btfopilled, in less than a minute, too

Still not buying AIslop

>>714016662
Indian-ass typing style.

>>714024486
Anon you included "having the pigments created instead of the artist manually doing even that themselves" as being as far as outsourcing goes.
Do you consider it to be "cutting corners" the way that it's generally accepted for its usage for an artist to not manually grind and constitute every pigment they use in their creative processes? And could you explicitly type out what you feel "cutting corners" means and the connotations you feel it has? I feel like there's a disconnect here. Specifically one where you are being a dishonest faggot to try to get your point to sound less stupid.

>>714024624
4chan is not a good test because this webzone is explicitly paid for by AI shills and the janitorial staff is directed to ignore the equally small handful of autists posting literally 30,000 barely different images of the same Nintenslop waifus.
>DALLE general

>>714023723
lol?

>>714024624
>the most active thread is an AI thread
They tend to be frequented by the same number of unique posters, "activity" is just them dumping all of their gen'd crap based on whatever their autistic obsession is, usually a character or fetish.

>>714024780
Your use of the word artist is I think the problem here.

You're making a conflation of two job roles,
>a person who produces work meant to "meaningfully inflict emotional or personal insight and are typically of high quality and interest"
and
>a person who produces graphic design tools to produce unremarkable but utilitarian elements.

The former is gonna do fine. The latter is the bottom 40% of artists and they're dead in the water.

I already explained what cutting corners meant to me in the greentext of >>714023737

>>714024374
But they don't - not really anymore. A handful of graybeards who are great at their craft are't upset about some guy doing digital art. I know a guy who makes wonderful sculptures the old fashioned way by chiseling stone and the like. He has no animosity for people using Blender and then 3D printing stuff - he realizes its a different usage and a different kind of art,craft, and project. He doesn't really care about AI either nor is he threatened by it, same as above.

Maybe the issue is that if the only reason you're doing the thing is smug superiority or because you think you have a monopoly on the skills to do so and thus can charge a fortune, you are part of the problem. My friend above is always going to be able to sell his artwork, but A) its not his primary job even after all this time; he's quasi-retired now so its a nice little bonus in income and B) someone who's going to buy a huge slab of marble or granite is a bit different market than someone who decides to photoshop something similar, render it, or generate it with AI. No different than some anon who buys a print of a Yoshitaka Amano artwork to hang on their wall, or even a Amano-style of another character made by some indie artfag (the very same ones screeching about this), or using AI to make one for their PC wallpaper..is each different than buying an Amano original somewhere. Amano isn't suffering because some zoomer tried to make an Undertale-in-Amano-style artwork by tablet drawing program or by AI etc.

>>714023343
weird that this is the post that broke the chain

>>714022352
They used to, not anymore thanks to AI lmao

>>714025101
So you see no connotation whatsoever on the level of quality or omission of important or key elements, then. That's the issue, your personal definition does not line up with reality. Are you aware that this is true and you're a dishonest fuck, or are you just retarded and think that your definition is representative of general use?

>>714024923
>>714025086
Ah yes, let's just hyperfocus on that one corporate-backed proprietary AI thread here, and not how /e/, /h/, /trash/, /aco/, and /g/ also match this pattern.

Let's ignore how there's an active thread right now of people discussing AI dungeon and other AI text generators.

Feel like you don't belong yet? That's because you don't.

>>714024250
This, which is pretty much what I'm saying in >>714022998, they don't have a consistent definition of "what's technology's role in art", it's just "wait no not me too noooooo" because if they did they'd be like "this is just part of the ride I've already been on for years, move with the stack as it changes."

>>714025435
>Feel like you don't belong yet?
I feel like you're trying too hard to belong, if anything. Classic transplant behavior.

>>714024403
>So for those more important ones where the player is likely to hear them and the quality would matter a great deal to the characterization, they would number far less, and it becomes a feasible question of whether to have it be AI or manually done.
Yes you could have both, AI generated responses for less important flavor dialog, and hard-coded dialog for important things.
I'm not suggesting that the entire game should be AI generated, at least not with the current level of technology.

>In these situations, why would they use AI instead of manually scripting?
Sure it saves them money, but it was something they already were not willing to spend the time or money on already which is why you only get your 50 or so stock phrases. AAA has become lazier and lazier for decades now.

>>714025435
Yes, the same parasocial autists tend to post in multiple places, and moderators- who often moderate multiple boards, not board-specific janitors- have standing orders to let it fly and pass those orders down. Good thing the IP count is gone now to see how many 750 post threads are 4 IPs talking to themselves. Hell, the most popular threads aren't even LLM, it's image and now video generation. Update your script.

>didn't disclose AI usage on steam
uh oh

>>714025710
I also think that you are misunderstanding what would be required out of AI based on the hypothetical you jack yourself off to based on your many contingencies, because not every situation requires a unique response specific only to that situation. In fact, it would be fucking awful if you actually thought about it. Take these two situations and tell me if they would or wouldn't likely warrant the exact same response.
>you put a summer melon on both hands and did dance#56 specifically
>you put a summer melon on both forearms and did dance#56 specifically
If you get into the weeds with how an NPC would differentiate these things in all of these countless situations, it would start to sound very disingenuous. So even if your original situation, it would actually be fine and probably better in the long run if it was with manual scripting. Or you'd end up with AI being pushed to have an NPC say "hey now, that's ridiculous, get those melons off your hands" vs "hey now, that's ridiculous, get those melons off your forearms".
So as I think about it more, you're more wrong than I originally thought you were.