Thread 714068797

>play singleplayer mode of a game
>game is unprofitable
>bethesda exec flips MK ultra kill switch
>singleplayer is now unplayable too
>money stolen

SIGN IT FAGGOT
https://eci.ec.europa.eu/045/public/#/screen/home

>The Elder Scrolls: Legends was a free-to-play digital collectible card video game
hahahahahahahahaha

>>714068903
>with ingame microtransactions and a singleplayer campaign

>>714068797 (OP)
It's like this ok-
You can buy a ticket to a pool and have to leave when the pool closes, but you can come back tomorrow to buy another ticket. (what Ass Pirate Software wants)
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You can buy an above ground pool for your backyard, and use it whenever you want- but it's not as good as a real pool. But the the busy bodies get angry and tell you to shut it down because above ground pools aren't allowed. (The guy who makes his own server)
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OR- your neighborhood can pitch together and buy a community pool which is serviced by a pool company you all pay for. And you can use it whenever you want. But one day the HOA shuts the pool down to instead use the land for another profit-seeking venture. (what's actually going on)

>>714068972
Imagine buying microtransactions in a fucking card game and then crying hahahahahahahahahaha

>>714069186
Imagine defending the right of corpos to loot your purchases, because other people think they are bad purchases.

>>714069330
He's too damn humble about this, he should be going attentionwhorus maximums instead of acting like Ciccinatus.

>>714069404
that's the problem with SKG and initiatives/petitions in general
if you want it to succeed you absolutely must put the attention whoring to 11. Ross isn't fit for that

>>714069404
Ross is the man of integrity, some of his vidya opinions are beyond retarded but the way he sticks to his principles is respectable as fuck.

>>714069330
I don't use shitter. What do?
>inb4 make an account and make a post promoting this to literally 0 followers you have

>>714068797 (OP)
This happens a lot more often than people think. Videogame publishers do like to kill videogames. Remember what that Ubisoft CEO said?
>gamers should learn to be happy not owning their videogames
Fuck those faggots, if i paid for a videogame i should be the one to choose when to stop playing said game. I hope this EU initiative passes and the EU law buttrapes tranny videogame publishers like Ubisoft.

not giving my name to some roastoid in EU

>>714069735
They already know your name and if you are not in EU, then you have no business being here.

>>714069735
>I'm not giving out my address to the government!!!

>>714069710
>Due to licensing issues with franchise creator Victor Miller, the game's servers were shut down in November of 2020, though online play remained accessible via peer-to-peer matchmaking.
>The game was delisted at the end of 2023 due to the license expiring.
>On December 31, 2024, all online services were discontinued, leaving only offline modes available for play.
On April 1, 2024, a group of modders announced Friday the 13th: The Game – Resurrected, a mod of Friday the 13th: The Game that promises to bring back the online multiplayer via private servers as well as add new content.
>On April 8, seven days before the planned release, the mod team was forced to stop the mod development after receiving a cease and desist letter from Horror, Inc. for alleged copyright infringement.

>>714069801
>>714069825
yeah MY government not 4th reich in brussels

>>714068797 (OP)
Can these OPs not be so rude?

>>714069186
>Imagine buying microtransactions in a fucking card game
Isn't that how every card game works

We need to have a serious discussion about the antisemitism of this movement. The leaders of SKG must condemn it in the strongest possible way and take note of the potential harm this could do to the very companies that make the games we love so much. I think now is a good time to declare the end of the movement as the gaming industry has heard your concerns and will take them to heart. Unnecessary political legislation will just harm us all. Let us, the pioneers of the gaming industry, regulate ourselves!

Are you with us, gaymers???

>>714070104
nigger

>>714070205
There is 0 potential harm.

>>714070261
I don't care about racism, homophobia is just wrong tho

>>714069953
Most modern games are so inconsequential that nobody even bothers to preserve them. They just die and nobody cares. They represented no milestone, they captured no moment in history, slop just got sucked into the drain

>>714070104
EAT A COCK
>note: Cock - An adult male chicken; a rooster.

>>714069967
Your government is in contact with them on the clock, mate.

>>714070213
Those two games were actually kino as fuck but nobody expects online console games to last forever.

More importantly, why would you play bethschlop?

>>714069735
>I will not give the government my government-issued id

Smartest Braun voter.

>>714070361
Pirates can still play it. Only buycucks can't.
Still sucks that you have to commit a crime to play a game you bought. Physical copy game, too.

>>714069607
Number of followers doesn't matter retard. It's to get it into trending

>>714069603
>cinema
I hate summer so goddamn much.

>>714070104
>>714070261
>>714070298
>>714070314
It comes across like low-effort begging, and encourages even the pro-SKG replies to be as retarded as Roach's shills.

>>714068797 (OP)
can they just fucking make Godfall to be an offline game
online-only is the only thing preventing me from boughting it

>>714070445
People shouldn't resort to copyright infringement to play the games they bought. This is what this all is about. In fact, bringing up private servers only serves to prove the absolutely atrocious fucking state of the game market and industry, where people are forced to turn to criminal acts in order to...make use of what they purchased?

>>714070457
>you are retarded because you don't know how a service which you don't use works
OK, retard!

>>714070512
Been here since 2007, the words are interchangeable. You can call things kino, you can call them cinema, you can call it КИHO, but then you have to listen to the music.

>>714070584
I'm sorry I called you retarded. Not everyone was born in the greatest country on God's Earth. Some of you poorfags used f*cebook

>>714068797 (OP)
What game is that? But yes, avoid live service crap, even if it has singleplayer modes, because they will infect them too with their bullshit.

>>714070610
>tourist zoomzoom larping his ass off.
Insufferable

>>714070626
which country are you talking about?

>>714070512
I remember I complained when people started posting "absolute cinema" here instead of "kino" and all the underageb&s immediately told me off like it wasn't a thing they took from twitch after it got normalized for the masses

>>714069953
>>714070302
>are so inconsequential that nobody even bothers to preserve them. They just die and nobody cares. They represented no milestone
does not matter. people do not need to know what "live service" entails but everyone understands the concept of ownership and since it is not yet defined with digital goods, it will be. i.e. get fucked you corpo cocksucker
>you scream about other people
>yet you should've never been allowed to own a keyboard

>>714070727
Serbia

your votes are safu

>>714070673
All games will become live service crap unless something is done to stop this. It has been ramping up at an incredible speed, compared to 2010, vast majority of games today, multiplayer or singleplayer are live service and those companies will gladly take your money, but will not provide you with the fucking game to play past an arbitrary time period.

>>714070286
This is an antisemitic dog whistle

>>714069953
this one is a real loss, between people micspamming OCEAN MAN as they grabbed survivors off the boat or randomly teleporting in front of the car to hear people go from talking normally to screaming in pure terror was incredibly fun
also the goth girl was really hot

>>714069735
That picture is especially funny because you can see how the flag isn't even charred or burnt because the EU has regulations for that.

>>714070302
>Most modern games are so inconsequential that nobody even bothers to preserve them.
People wanted to preserve Friday 13th, and were sued into stopping to do so:

>On April 1, 2024, a group of modders announced Friday the 13th: The Game – Resurrected, a mod of Friday the 13th: The Game that promises to bring back the online multiplayer via private servers as well as add new content.
>On April 8, seven days before the planned release, the mod team was forced to stop the mod development after receiving a cease and desist letter from Horror, Inc. for alleged copyright infringement.

Publisher killed the game, fans tried to revive it, it was prevented by lawsuits. People who bought it thought they would be able to pay it for longer than a couple of years. This is fraud.

>>714070883
Honestly it's pretty crazy how good numbers this is making without any big investment or funding.
If you look at most other initiatives with 1M+ votes, they have a significant funding behind it.

>>714070776
Seems like Facebook is the primary social media there too.

>>714070947
yeah not a scratch you fucking retard you're dumb as a rock

>>714071213
Fak

>>714064584
So, who's paying?

>>714071156
>>714070776
>75%
>it's actually worse than the US

>>714070958
>fans tried to revive it, it was prevented by lawsuits.
Perhaps they shouldn't have done this in a cucked country.

>>714070302
This is not about the games you don't like, this is about ALL games.

>wont release server side software
>won't quickly throw together a matchmaker to release
>won't make the game playable peer2peer
>won't release the video and audio assets for use by modders
>just kills it

>>714068797 (OP)
Stop buying games, problem solved

>>714071213
Convincing, but show end result without flames for further proof.
Also it's not completely fireproof. You can light other resistant material on fire with enough fuel or thermite torches.

This is some real liberal faggotry. I'll pass on signing.

>>714071392
it's fucking polyester

>good game
>singleplayer focused
>made unplayable due to servers shutting down
Name 10.

>>714071430
You are my goodest goy

>>714071320
No one, I think it's just a shartyfag

>>714068797 (OP)
I'm glad that this is actually getting more signatures now
I wish OP wouldn't type like a faggot though

>>714071381
I unironically will start buying games back if it passes. Post support means games I love will stop spontaneously dying and could live forever, that might be worth shelling out decent cash for a gaming rig.

>>714070610
>KINO
Based, love some of their songs.

>>714069735
Braun in name of that guy is more than just name

>>714071614
it's legal

>Total initiatives launched: 80+
>Initiatives reaching 1M signatures: 10-15
>Initiatives that fell below 1M after validation: 5-6
>Initiatives resulting in legal change: 1 (Right2Water)

If this succeeds reaching over 1M legit signatures (it won't), it would literally mean gaming is as important as water. Let that "sink" in.

>>714071563
Yeah I listen to Blood Type a lot

>>714071639
This has already gotten so many signatures, that there's a 99% chance some upstart politician will try to bring it up in EU senate.

>>714071639
Or it would mean that everyone else didn't take their shit seriously enough.

>>714071483
Yes, the flag itself is, obviously.
I trust that you are aware that flags can be -and government issued ones often are- treated with fire retardants, right?

>>714071535
Imagine being on the side of the busybodies that are covering us all with red tape and legislating every aspect of our lives. Couldn't be me.

>>714068797 (OP)
>SIGN IT FAGGOT
Why tho?

>>714071639
EU is the least democratic pseudo governing body in the western hemisphere, nobody who makes decisions is elected
>>714071701
EU is not a country

>>714071213
Due to the EU regulations on self-preserving iconography it's still alive and well.

>>714071738
>it's okay when corporation writes up a list of ridiculous regulations and gets the law to side with them because they have the power to do so
>how dare you oppose this you fucking goy
Uh huh.

>>714071738
And you want to pick a fight with them when it's an objectively good thing (consumer rights) and something the EU should be doing?

>>714071774
>not elected!
We literally do elect these fags, why lie?

>not a country!
Not yet. Yanks and mongols seethe, EUROPA NAZIONE!

>>714071774
forgot to mention, the way voting in the EU works is it guarantees the biggest countries can push everything through even if they don't have the majority

>>714071774
>EU is not a country
It will have to become one within 100 years or risk getting absolutely railed by consolidated large countries

>>714071774
>EU is not a country
Is this bait? Why would you feel the need to say something so ridiculously obvious? I never said that it is a country.
EU is, however, still a government.

>>714070947
>>714071213
Fire didn't work huh? Now let's see how good that flag is against a pair of scissors

>people ask the government to write a law defending their purchases
>"Literally communism! 6 000 000 gulags!"
>Jewish Vampires Corp writes an EULA saying you can't play the game you bought
>"Well, its their right as private owners of private capital privately ;^)"

>>714071738
The only reason the initiative is necessary in the first place is due to regulations like the DMCA and other IP law that would inhibit development of end of life support..

>>714071785
>alive
due to EU regulations on hate speech i will have to report you for transphobia
>>714071812
>EUROPA NAZIONE!
bismarckian 4th reich and not even hiding
founded by nazis too
>>714071867
>EU is, however, still a government.
false
>>714071839
>what is nato

>>714071812
>We literally do elect these fags, why lie?
They can only vote on legislation but not propose it

>>714071919
All your masters had to do was leave the videogames alone.

>>714071919
>>EU is, however, still a government.
>false
>The European Commission (EC) is the primary executive arm of the European Union (EU). It operates as a cabinet government
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Commission

You could have saved yourself from embarrassment with a 5 second google search.

>>714071774
Based, death to the EU, long live the nations of EVROPA

>>714071919
>what is nato
A military coalition which primarily servers American interests.

The only thing that needs to be done is enforcing more obvious messaging that when you're spending money on a live service product, you're paying for access to service and not for ownership of a game.

Anything else is overstepping. Developers should be able to make any kind of game they want as long as they aren't misleading anyone.

>>714072085
You forgot a few parentheses there, buddy

>>714072115
>Developers should be able to make any kind of game they want as long as they aren't misleading anyone.

This doesn't stop that, you can make what you want, what that is just might incur you designing the game in a way which supports making it playable after shutdown

>>714071867
>I said that it is a country.
EU isn't a country, dipshit. Jesus.

>>714072039
to be a government it has to govern which it doesnt
arabic numbers are not arabic yet theyre called arabic it's not formally logical
>>714072085
EU doesnt benefit anyone except germany and france and it's written into law for it to be that way

>>714072115
That's not what this is about at all.

>>714071919
>bismarckian 4th reich and not even hiding
>founded by nazis too
THREAD ANTHEM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HiDTOVnGpWs
American corpose WILL release their server software for use by the evropean volk.
Chinese manufacturers WILL reduce the number of toxins in plastic to an appropriate minimum.
African consumers WILL buy powdered bavarian milk, so that their herds don't fart up our atmosphere.
Russians WILL dig up every mineral and petrol drop in their land and export it for us to use.
This WILL all be done in an orderly way, as per EU Directive #25632094.

>>714072204
Of course it is you dumb faggot fuck.

>>714072187
>to be a government it has to govern which it doesnt

>government
>noun
>the organization, machinery, or agency through which a political unit exercises authority and performs functions and which is usually classified according to the distribution of power within it
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/government
Please anon, stop posting for a while. I'm starting to get second-hand embarrassment now.

>>714072179
>this doesn't stop developers from making the kind of game they want
>it just enforces that they not make the kind of game they want
you're dumb

>>714072115
>Developers should be able to make any kind of game they want as long as they aren't misleading anyone.
Please show me which Steam game revolves around killing and raping children while wearing a Nazi uniform. All the while the game sneaks into your OS and steals your login credentials from your Steam and web browser.
I assume something as innocent as that would never be regulated, right? I mean, developers should be able to make and sell this game as long as they advertise it for what it is, right?

>>714072301
It's about shutting games down and making them unplayable after they had been purchased. Your babbling about "licenses" means nothing because this is not lawful or factual, just something companies write up in their illegal contracts.

>>714071559
I really hope it doesn't pass. We don't need a government solution to a problem that doesn't exist if you just pirate.

>>714072360
>which a political unit exercises authority
there you go, EU has no legal authority over anything

>>714072187
>to be a government it has to govern which it doesnt
They literally make laws which the entire european union abides by, what the fuck do you mean they don't govern?

>>714072396
So who pays for the engineering that goes into the end of life work for a live service game? Taxpayers? Or are you one of the retards that thinks they can just flip a switch and everything is magically single player?

>>714071639
If you think in the most idiotic way possible, sure.
People vote when they know that can vote for something, when they know this something exists.
This is the only EU petition I voted because it is the first one I have ever heard! I didn't even know these petitions were a thing.

>>714071774
Ok, Vlad.

>>714072523
>They literally make laws which the entire european union abides by
this is false

>>714072386
>it just enforces that they not make the kind of game they want

I litterally just explained it doesn't do this. You CAN make whatever game you want, but depending on the type of game you might have some extra responsbilities.

>>714072528
The publisher and/or developer

>and everything is magically single player?

it doesn't require making it single player necessarily, just allowing the MP to still function without the official central server: If it would work, it could be as simple as allowing P2P or LAN connections within the MP experience.

>>714072528
This is none of my concern. You will provide working products or you will fuck off. For too long you have been relying on vague grey area non-legislated space that only allowed your corporate overlords to face repercussions when pissed off bodies launched class action lawsuits against you that you always settled out of court.

>>714072528
>who pays for the engineering that goes into the end of life work for a live service game
Best case scenario? Nobody. Because you wouldn't create a software architecture which requires much work to be done to deliver a playable build of the game.
Worst case scenario? Companies would spend a few extra weeks or months on a refactor. In this case either the company or the end user will have to pay. So, either a company would reduce it's profit margins for the product by 1%-5%, or it would increase the initial price of the game by 1%-5%.

>>714072562
>>714072519
>The European Union’s primary law
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=legissum:l14530
>Directives form part of the EU’s secondary law. They are therefore adopted by the EU institutions in accordance with the treaties. Once adopted at EU level, they are then transposed by EU Member States so they become law in the Member States
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=legissum:l14527
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_European_Union_directives

I think this is enough objective proof or evidence for your tomfoolery. You're not just wrong, you're obviously wrong. I won't give more (You)s, have fun reading or enjoy being on the spectrum.

>>714072742
$150 GAMES LET'S FUCKING GOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>714072742
The actual case scenario is that it makes entire genres of games not viable to make anymore. That might not bother you because you don't like those games, but from a conceptual perspective it should bother you that people want to make that kind of law.

>>714072742
You think there's any amount of "refactoring" that would make a game like EVE Online playable offline? You might as well just start from scratch.

>>714073045
game devs produce shitty code? not my problem. fix it or give me my money back

>>714073045
A game like EVE Online can easily be made PLAYABLE offline. There wouldn't be any other players, so it would be horribly unfun, but it would be PLAYABLE. You could explore the visual and audo assets, see the "plot" and test the game mechanics. There wouldn't be any art lost, only the emergent experience of seeing other players (which itself isn't art).

>>714072805
primary law afaik needs every country to vote yes and secondary law is "they are then transposed by EU Member States so they become law in the Member States"
so it's not the EU making law but the governments
also any government in the eu can tell eu to go suck the fattest dick and EU can't do anything because they have no legal power since it's not a fucking country

>>714073126
>A game like EVE Online can easily be made PLAYABLE offline
What makes you believe this? What makes you think it's easy. I want to understand what has led you to this conclusion, because it's a fucking doozy.

>>714073139
also primary law isn't applicable to member states it's about equivalent to the constitution of the EU itself, EU can write law about itself quite obviously, not member states

>>714072528
>So who pays for the engineering that goes into the end of life work for a live service game?
The company.
They are hiring "consultation" teams just to make the line go up by .1%. They don't care about their own developers and the rampant crunch culture in game development is direct proof of that.
Do you really think the managers and CEOs will spare a months expense when that would make the line not go up? They'd genuinely sacrifice their own devs if someone gave them a convincing graph that yearly sacrifices to Mictlantecuhtli, the aztec god of the dead will increase sales by 5% every financial quarter and think they'd get away with it.

>>714073192
My job is supporting old software, I have made games, and I have worked on a reverse-engineered server emulator for an MMORPG.
People who own the EVE code can easily make a version of EVE that is just a single player using the game mechanics to explore the game world, to see and listen to it, and use all game mechanics that don't involve multiplayer.

>>714071812

>>714071963
why lie like the clueless third worlder
>US congress
house + senate
>European Commission
parliament + council
>not entirely 1:1 since the States have the prezzy but close enough
https://european-union.europa.eu/institutions-law-budget/institutions-and-bodies/types-institutions-and-bodies_en
>https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/council-eu/decision-making/ordinary-legislative-procedure/
https://policy-insider.ai/2022/09/06/what-is-the-difference-between-eu-council-council-of-the-european-union-and-council-of-europe/
>https://thisvsthat.io/commission-vs-council
https://www.consilium.europa.eu/en/european-council-and-council-of-the-eu/
>https://www.weforum.org/stories/2020/01/european-commission-parliament-difference/

>>714073297
Nobody who has that experience would call it easy. So, sorry, you're 100% full of shit.

>>714072528
Holy retarded, they have to simply allow to access the single player game when they shut down the multiplayer mode.

>>714073405
EU is entirely different to US you are fucking clueless, law is proposed by the comission which is just 27 prime ministers or equivalent of member states

>>714073297
In most cases it's as easy as triggering a yes/no statement, since all you need to do is make the client work without connecting to a server. All of the necessary assets are already present in the game client. Sure, maybe some things like physics or time simulation won't work, but it's a small price to pay.

>>714073485
>no true scotsman
Lel

>>714072528
Are you aware that multiplayer games have mock servers with local addresses for internal testing?

>>714073547
>In most cases it's as easy as triggering a yes/no statement
lolololololol

>>714073578
those aren't mock servers it's the exact same servers

>>714073485
I do have that experience, and it is easy. CCP has over 1000 in staff. The audio-visual stuff is on the client. Some of the gameplay logic is as well, you can test that by disconnecting and seeing of collision (for example) stil works. It can be trivial to more other gamepley logic to a dedicated server, which will run alongside the client on the player's computer. Logic regarding other players can be ignored. Security and DRM can be ignored.

If you ever hosted a WoW private server just to walk around the world by yourself, it would look like that. It would be PLAYABLE, even if not complete or fun. And it would preserve the art of the game: models, texture, music, arrangement, writing, etc. So it fits the art preservation part of the ask.

>>714073626
Spoofing is pretty easy.

>>714073634
No, during development MMOs are not run on the server infrastructure thay they will be on release.

>>714072927
>it makes entire genres of games not viable to make anymore
Nigga these types of games are highly profitable. Any company would still make them even if the EU fines them 10% at the end of service for not complying to market regulations.

>>714073045
Nobody is asking for offline modes where it's not possible. You have the option of distributing the server binaries, code or even just documentation.
Alternatively, you could just make the game an actual service by charging for a monthly or annual fee. Or have a clear disclosure of the planned date when the service will shut down. In these cases you don't need to make the game playable past end of life. These two would still comply with what the initiative wants as a bare minimum.

>>714073192
>>714073485
He's coming at this from the perspective of the game being in a "reasonably playable state". You don't need to have all the functionality in an end of life build. Just whatever would reasonably satisfy the majority of end users.

>>714073737
i'm referring to the code

>>714073547
>In most cases it's as easy as triggering a yes/no statement, since all you need to do is make the client work without connecting to a server.
In most cases, there is gameplay logic hosted on the server, for DRM or anti-hack purposes. For example, StarCraft 2 had AI on the server side on release, so the cracked game had no computer player AI outside of campaigns.

But it can, and I repeat, easily be moved to the client side, on some hacked together emulator. The company has 1000 employees. They announce service stopping months in advance, and know more months in advance still. They'd do it to comply with law.

>>714073673
Dunning-Kruger in action.

>>714073783
Even if the AI did not work, it'd still be a playable game technically. All people are asking is the bare fucking minimum of a functional piece of software after they decide to cut it off, but even that is asking too much for the money they have given apparently.

Or you dumb fucks could just realize that you're spending money on a service that might go away, just like every other service in the entire universe that you pay for.

>>714073792
Man, its easy enough for autists to do it in their spare time, for free, and for the corpos to then have to sue them into taking down their work.
You think a big company, which has access to the source code, couldn't do it?

You are overcompensating here.

>>714074027
Not a service in EU but a product. Not a license for access, but a good you can own and resell, borrow and give away. You will comply.

>>714068797 (OP)
>let me try to play this digital TCG from 2019 for some reason

>>714074027
>Buyer beware, we could delete this service in 2-3 months if we dont like the sales
Illegal to sell this in the EU.
There's a reason Ubisoft already walked back The Crew 2, because regardless of SKG result, they are just breaking the law. Blizzard is also breaking the law with their WoW EULA. We just need someone to sue them.

>>714068797 (OP)
>play singleplayer mode of a game
>game is unprofitable
Which is not even true. System Shock remake sold 400k copies, compare to original which only sold 120k at the time. People pirating and replaying the old game kept the goodwill and the attention in the old game enough to bring more people to buy and play the remastered one.

>>714074132
Fuck the EU. It won't exist in 30 years.

>>714074131
>has 3D models, which are art
>has 2D textures, which are art
>has music, which is art
>has voice acting, which is art
>has writing, which is art
>has arangement, which is art
>gets destroyed
Literally a crime.

>>714069404
nah, the fucked up part is that the only reason anyone cares right now is that he called out that faggot pirate nation, which caused all the content and drama leeches to latch on for a second helping of youtube money

>>714074178
>fuck those people trying to defend my rights! i want my rights violated!!
Ancap moment.

>>714074237
Pirate Software, not Pirat Nation. Pirat Nation is the guy who posts a 4chan OP, screencaps it, posts it to Twitter, screencaps that, and posts it to 4chan as an OP.

>>714071339
It's 2K games isn't it? The pinnacle of soulless slop publishers. These guys will send lawyers after you for making a mod

>>714074027
>that might go away
Might go away WHEN?
Those "every other service in the entire universe" has a clear and unmistakable end point.
You buy a public transport pass and it will say in bold letters when it will expire. There's no question when the service will end and the customer can make a fully informed decision.

In comparison, imagine buying a subway pass and it just says "might expire". You pay and reasonably expect a pass to last a month, like all other passes in the universe.
However, after using it for a week it no longer works. If you knew they'd kill the pass in a week, you probably wouldn't have bought it would you?

>>714072468
You can't pirate server software for games you like if it doesn't exist retard

>>714074178
You wish, Ivan.

>>714073792
>has no arguments
>has to resort to ad-hominems
lol, lmao

>>714071738
Right? Citizens shouldn't be involved in the lawmaking process. Youre supposed to leave that up to corporations and our lobbyists, goy

>page 4
Did the ironic shitposters go on a late lunch break all at once?

>>714072115
You can make anything you want. However, when you're selling a product to people and taking their money.... things are different.

If you'retaking money from people and giving them something thats willfully designed to fail, thats scamming them. Sorry, but you have to give them the means to keep what they bought. Its that simple, and you can do it. Its a solvable problem.

>>714074718
>Citizens shouldn't be involved in the lawmaking process.
They're not. The "process" will be handled by lawyers and representatives from both sides.

>>714075067
Indians have finished their shift.
Don't worry, americans will take over (and they do it for free).

Corporations fear this because allowing people to keep playing the games they bought will force the studios to make better games than what they made previously.
It would mean that they actually have to make an effort in making quality products as customers just wouldn't buy their next bullshit otherwise.

>>714075297
But what about the shareholders?

>>714074238
>Eu
>Defending rights of anything but illegal invaders and jews

>>714073405
>why lie like the clueless third worlder
The people you vote for in the EU elections cannot propose legislation

>>714075147
Is this not citizens getting together and saying "hey we care about this issue, we think we need a new law on it" right? Anything more is literally citizens drafting the entire bill together full chaos mode

>>714074473
Well yeah, server software is intended for servers. They shouldn't force anyone to release it. It would be nuts if they told us we have to release our web backend at any point.
The community should be about to create their own server software though.

>>714071919
You could have prevented this but you chose to kill videogames. Now enjoy the 4th Reigh! Videogame publisher will be put in concentration camps and forced to make videogames! Arbeit Machts Frei!
>>714075297
And people wonder why videogames have become so shit lately. Videogame publishers want to controll access so they can push people on their new slop.
>Blizzard delisted Diablo/Warcraft 2 from GOG so they can sell their shitty remakes
>Epic delisted Unreal Tournament 2004
>Ubisoft killed(delisted, cut off support for people who bought the game and even removed it from used libraries) The Crew the moment they were pushing out The Crew 2
Videogame publishers want to remove old games and the ability of people to play them. They want to force people to buy new low effort slop. This is why i support this initiative, this initiative is force them to make their new games good since they won't be able to kill as many videogames as they can now.

>>714075352
They'll likely jump ship to whichever company makes games that people buy. So the market will be led by an arms race in quality products. Like it was the case 20 years ago and like how capitalism is supposed to work.

>>714075678
>They shouldn't force anyone to release it.
nobody will force them
just if they wont release it at EoL of their game, they will get serious fines or outright barred from selling their products in EU.

I absolutely hate that corpos keep shutting games down like this without any sort of private server or the such but I'm still not supporting stop killing games because I think most people involved with it are retards who can't actually create a movement without actually planning anything or self policing their own movement. Before anybody says anything pirstesoftware is a retard yes but people sort of use him as a scapegoat for their movements own failures

>>714075656
What you're describing is the process of drafting and signing the initiative. What I'm describing is the process after that:

There will just be the handful of SKG representatives there, representing the 1 million people who signed the initiative.
The representatives along with some lawyers will negotiate with the opposition's lawyers and representatives. Lawmakers will be there to ask questions, listen to arguments from both sides and parse through the existing laws.
After that it will be decided what actually happens. And this whole thing could take anywhere from 6 months to 4 years.

>>714068797 (OP)
WE ARE ALL IN THIS TOGETHER

DO NOT UNDER ESTIMATE THE POWER OF POSITIVE THOUGHT! ESPECIALLY COLLECTIVE POSITIVE THOUGHT!

THIS SHIT IS GOING TO REACH 1,000,000 SIGNATURES EASILY!
HOLD THAT THOUGHT AND VISUALIZE IT IN YOUR MIND EVERYDAY AS OFTEN AS POSSIBLE STARTING NOW AND IT WILL MANIFEST INTO REALITY. DO IT! I'M NOT JOKING!

VISUALIZE AS OFTEN AND AS DETAILED AS POSSIBLE!

EVERYTHING IS ENERGY AND VIBRATION
ATTUNE YOUR VIBRATIONS TO MATCH THAT OF FREE STUFF AND IT WILL FLOW TO YOU

its actually okay for shitty old games nobody plays or wants to die and go away

you should use better examples if you want more popular support, because the second you start whipping out shit nobody ever heard of or they know is bad, they stop taking you seriously

>>714076059
>pirstesoftware is a retard yes but people sort of use him as a scapegoat for their movements own failures
should have shut the fuck up, he has a massive platform and he used it to attack the initiative and creator of it personally
misread what the initiative is about, in confusion started talking absolutely out of his as and when called out on it he doubled, tripled and even quadrupled down because he's the exblizzard nuclear hacker that's never wrong and always right. This is the kind of hubris that brings him hate but ironically he's too autistic to recognize it and thinks people attack him because "he's right".

>>714076120
>There will just be the handful of SKG representatives there, representing the 1 million people who signed the initiative.

Good reason not to sign and hope somebody more competent and charismatic takes up the torch later. The skigger in chief is a dork fuckwit and his simps are no better.

They will get manhandled.

>>714076059
>These guys did something in a way I didn't quite like so much so I'm going to let corporations fuck my ass haha that will show them
For what purpose?

>>714075067
I was busy playing palworld with nude mods so I didn't have the time to spam the thread with naked fat guys. I might do it later.

>>714076514
There are EU politicians and lawyers who will do it, retard.

>we're going to force you to make your IP accessible to us forever, on our terms
only an idiot or a kid would believe this has a chance

>>714075819
>Videogame publishers want to remove old games and the ability of people to play them. They want to force people to buy new low effort slop.
This is the main reason, and really the only reason, people should support this. Game companies are already malding they need to "compete" with their older titles, the solution for newer games is clearly to delist or try to take down any new game they make so it's no longer competition for their newer games. This would put a wrench in that plan.

>>714076717
sure they will lil bro

>>714076616
>palworld with nude mods
Are those any good or just some really low effort stuff?
Never played palworld but I might pick it up one day because I enjoy the underlying concept with other games like Conan Exiles.

>>714076807
Yes? Ross said as much almost a year ago, when this started. He worked with EU lawyers and politicians.
European countries have a political party called The Pirate Party which often is involved with issues of software preservation and such.

>>714076918
>He worked with EU lawyers and politicians.
mhmm

>>714076807
>>714076984
>no u
Fuck off, retard.

>>714076271
I know this is just a bait pasta but it always makes me a tiny bit furious because I have a relative who unironically thinks like this. That nutjob will subscribe agency to universal energies in literally anything.
>Had a bad day? Didn't pull in enough good energies with positive thoughts!
>Had a good day? Either me, someone else, or the universe itself send enough positive energy (somewhere) and I got rewarded with positive events in kind.

>>714076821
some are really goofy looking, some look fine
I'm using the mod that turns the player character into a futa renamon and there is an option to have her cock out, and her tail and ears and cock bounce

there are also sex animation mods which look funny depending on the mons involved

https://www.nexusmods.com/palworld/mods/873
https://www.nexusmods.com/palworld/mods/2341

>>714077048
should be easy to prove how legit your movement is, post a link showing the "eu politicians and lawyers" he worked with

>>714076536
Shit like this is why you guys sadly don't get more support. Your cause is great yet you sabotage yourselves at every stage

>make thread to show people how legit and important your whatever is
>get absolutely furious when somebody asks for the credentials

a classic

>>714077326
Hope you're at least getting payed for this and aren't wasting your time le trolling on le internet

>>714077381
making fun of retards is fun, I don't need to be paid to do it

make a petition for "start killing video games", and I'll give my full support

>>714077204
>I'm using the mod that turns the player character into a futa renamon and there is an option to have her cock out, and her tail and ears and cock bounce
Although I don't personally enjoy gameplay or content like that, you're based. Thanks for the links and have fun King.

>>714077326
It's like these retards still don't know how to actually help their own genuinely great cause. The self sabotage is real and yet somehow undiscovered.

>>714077481
thanks

gamer moment

I'm 39 years old and 275 lbs at 5' 7"

>>714077204
>should be easy to prove how legit your movement is, post a link showing the "eu politicians and lawyers" he worked with
Google it? The first result is Pirate Party MEP Patrick Breyer. EU Commissioner Vera Jourova made comments about it.

>>714078062
you won't even provide important information about your movement when requested by interested parties, so I'm just not going to take you seriously

grow up before you get into politics and activism

>>714078062
>support me
>"what the dilly, yo?"
>JUST FUCKING GOOGLE IT, RETARD

anyways, this is pretty neat, the armor models work on renamon will still showing her crotch

>>714078142
>>714078182
You ask a question, ignore the answer, and post pokemon porn. I'm just going to assume you are american (fat and diabetic), and therefore irrelevant to the conversation.

>the top 4 are countries with the most alcoholics
Really makes you think

>>714078206
I asked a question, and you said "google it", so I disregarded you, as you deserve. You're a loser.

>>714078206
>/v/ is one person
>hates america because america made him poor and took his air conditioning
>is mad that people have enough food to get fat

>>714078206
Why can't you answer a simple question that requires no effort? It's like you want people to not take this shit seriously still like every other time this movement has been brought up

>>714078310
>/v/ is one person
>hates Europe because Europe made him fat and diabetic
>is mad that people are defending their rights
>jerks it to pokemon porn

>>714076514
Are you retarded? Ross won't be there. He's not an EU citizen.

>>714078310
I did take his air conditioning though. I'm not giving it back.

>>714069502
>if you want it to succeed you absolutely must put the attention whoring to 11
This. A proper media strategy is mandatory for shit like this.
No one knows the ECI is a thing. You can't support something if you don't know it exists.

>>714078370
>too dumb to get the fact that at least 3 people are talking to him
>doesn't realize americans don't think of europe until faggots start going "SACRE BLEU! LE SOIMMER EIZ HAUTE!" daily
>doesn't know what rights you're defending, because you just tell people to google instead of evangelizing like an activist should
>and I do that as well, even though I'm not the guy posting it

>>714078386
holy sexo

>>714078378
>He's not an EU citizen.
mistake #1 with your retarded movement

>>714078416
It's baffling how after all the fucking layups skg has been given they still cannot for the life of them properly advertise themselves. No ad campaigns, nothing involving the real world that I know of, just internet word of mouth. Which is possibly the worst way to go at this since online activists are fucking retarded and self righteous smug huffers who couldn't actually care about the movement they barely know about

>>714068797 (OP)
Being from Sweden, we are already at 100%. Would there be a point in signing when my country is already maxed?

>>714078820
Yes, the petition needs a total of 1 million votes.

>>714078820
Yes, total signature count is the only thing that matters now that 7 countries reached 100%

>>714078667
its funny to me that their biggest claim to legitimacy is
>somebody made fun of us on his stream
>>714078820
probably around a 1/4th of the signatures are not going to be valid for various reasons, considering the crowd involved, so they will need big overflow if they will have any chance

>>714071112
And they're all the hippie/vegan variety, meaning the supporters are the kind of "people" that are physically incapable of not talking about it as long as a potential listener is within earshot. Gaming doesn't have people like that, which is usually a blessing, but in this particular case it's more of a curse.

>>714068797 (OP)
No. Start Killing Games.