Thread 714071697

We need to spread the word in countries where ESL is especially bad.
There's a useful site where you can find the top gaming YTers in your country.

https://hypeauditor.com/top-youtube-video-games/

If you're gay you can also post it on any subreddit or discord channel you frequent.

This is how I describe the initiative if you need help: It's a European citizens' initiative that pushes for laws to stop video games from becoming unplayable when companies shut down their servers. It focuses on making sure people can still play the games they bought, even after official support ends. The goal is to require companies to add offline options or let players run their own servers so the games don’t disappear forever.

I'm pretty optimistic right now since we gained like 150k votes in the last week.

>>714071697 (OP)
That map is outdated, a bunch of them passed the thresholds.

>>714071697 (OP)
Wow, Austrians are fucking subhumans. Definitive proof.

>>714071751
The threshold isn't really relevant anymore. We just need to pass the 1 million mark.
The map is still useful because low voter participation can indicate low hanging fruits.
Although part of that is probably due to higher political apathy in those countries.

>>714071751
>>714071697 (OP)
The country thresholds don't matter anymore, we just needed 7 countries to surpass it, and we have more then that

all that matters is the total 1 million signature threshold (plus some extra to make up for signatures that have errors)

That said trying to advertise in languages/countries that have a lower adoption rate is still likely to yield more new signatures then doing so in english or places that have a high sign rate already, so graphs like this still matter

Nobody seems to be giving a fuck in parts of Europe where piracy is commom.

>>714071697 (OP)
>giving the government power to force devs to work for free
No.
Vote with your wallets.
Stop buying live service games.

>>714072189
they aren't working for free if they were selling games

>>714071798
>calling Czechia, Hungary, Slovakia and Slovenia all Austrians
Clever dog.

The best thing about this whole thing is that Polish players got butthurt that Finland got more votes, so now they are aiming for that 200%.

>>714071697 (OP)
>Portugal losing to spain
As is expected

>>714072260
>you used to sell ice cream but now that nobody is buying ice cream anymore, the government forces you to continue handing out ice cream for free to people who bought a cone from you 12 years ago

I'm surprised the UK doesn't have more signatures
Also kek at the government response

literally just fill in fake infos to boost signs?
nobody fact checks any kinds of votes in my country so it should work there too.

>>714071697 (OP)
Based finlan carrying everyones ass again

>>714072493
>food analogy
>retarded
everytime

if this is literally stealing money from devs and also makes pirating easier, why hasn't romania passed the threshold?

>>714072189
it's not just about live service games and it's not more work if they plan ahead.
providing dedicated server applications used to be standard practice.

>>714072493
No, the actual allegory would be:
>you think you are buying ice cream, but you only get to lick it once before the ice cream man takes the ice cream away from you, by saying that you only "bought the licence" after charging full price from you.

>>714072493
retarded analogy
1. you don't retroactively destroy the ice creams you sold
2. you don't have to continue doing shit. you just have to provide the server application once.

>>714071697 (OP)
The problem with this movement is its supporters consider video games art. A book, a painting or a film reel being burned purely for profit's sake, depriving our descendants of it is patently bad.
But video games aren't art. They're toys. The Crew isn't the fucking Iliad. It will never be studied in university as an artwork. It will never inspire other great works.
The Crew is some small wooden horse a Greek boy was playing with while Homer wrote the Iliad, and was forgotten in a generation.
I can understand being sentimentally attached to your toys from when you were a kid, but that doesn't mean kids from future generations will want to play with your decrepit anachronistic relic. New toys will be made for new generations of kids.
Also, it's pointless to make this a petition that requires ID. If you have ID you're an adult, and by the time games developed under the new law released, you'd be too old to play video games. You're basically just voting to get the younger generations to be more like you.
Have you stopped to consider that they like FOMO-driven live service games the same way you liked your CS 1.6 dedicated servers?

>>714072569
Something about clown world supercharges the Finnish subconscious to punch way above their cultural weight.

>>714071697 (OP)
The people in the red areas are too poor to buy bideo games to begin with so why should they care?

>>714072881
>The problem with this movement is its supporters consider video games art.
I don't or at least don't think it's relevant. I think some of these business practices already break existing laws in spirit.
If you sell a game, you sell a game. The buyer has to own the game in perpetuity.
If you practically sell a subscription, you should have to label it a subscription with a set timeframe.
You shouldn't be able to sell a game and retroactively destroy it at an arbitrary time.
This is a fundamental issue about property and ownership.

i thought advertising/begging wasn't allowed on here

>>714072982
It would be great for piracy

>>714073224
You need to be above 18 as well, but here you are

>>714072620
because we're fucking retarded

>>714072121
It's funny, because Poland was the second one to pass the threshold.

>>714072709
>you didn't buy the ice cream, just an ice cream licking licence

>>714072506
>I'm surprised the UK doesn't have more signatures
Because we don't want more government intervention especially when just not buying works better

>>714071697 (OP)
This is per capita, someone get Italians on this

>>714073536
>looks at how microtransactions have become common place
>online only singleplayer everywhere
wow yeah, working out great
keep up the good work chuddha, we'll be over here forcing the EU to make laws

>>714072189
i know this is bait but what scares me is that there are actual retards who think like this

>>714073594
>>looks at how microtransactions have become common place
And now take a look at how dumbass Americans on PlayStation are fueling it.
>>online only singleplayer everywhere
Fucking where? At most you get a few minor AAA releases with Denuvo that get removed after a year or so.

>>714071751
>>714073570
Wasn't there a map on the site of the initiative? I can't find it anymore.

>>714073816
That's literally one of the things you're asking for. You know they can't just flip a switch to make an offline version of a game, right?

>>714071697 (OP)
Reminder that if your country isnt red you are NEVER getting a job at blizzard, becoming a cybersec expert OR owning cool ferrets.

>>714073816
I continue to be baffled at the shit people will say with 100% sincerity
>I don't use an adblocker because it's wrong
>I don't pirate (old game that isn't even being sold anymore) because I am a good person
>buying on sale *feels* wrong, the devs won't get as much money
never underestimate the corpo brainwashing

>>714073594
>>online only singleplayer everywhere
NTA but where? You're only going to get Denuvo on PC and that's about it.

>>714073570
Italians don't speak English, you need influencer with pastatalk

>>714073950
They can. That's how they developed games before releasing it.

>>714074028
>>buying on sale *feels* wrong, the devs won't get as much money
Not one human has ever uttered this for anything let alone video games.

>>714073950
Retard
new laws wouldn't be retroactive, they'd only affect future games
aka games in development
they absolutely could build things from the ground up with an end of life plan in mind, whether that's releasing a end-user friendly server hosting services or a singleplayer offline mode
it's really not that difficult
>but the devs must do work!
and they'll do that work if they have to comply with laws
do you cry that car manufacturers are forced to put in seal belts?
those poor workers putting in 1% more effort!

>>714073950
you know this will just apply to future games, right?
you know that dedicated servers are a thing if devs allow it, right?

>>714072506
Wait what, the UK gets to sign this but Norwegians do not??

>>714071697 (OP)
What the fuck that Portugal and Spain difference?

>>714074093
Anon, if they develop a game around online they would effectively have to build a whole new game to make it offline. Take one of those hero shooters for instance, there isn't an ounce of single player in those games so what would you suggest they do?

>>714074093
>>714074121
>>714074147
why are you even replying to a baiting retard?

>>714074195
Moortugal is pirate software owned.
Spics just don't speak english

>>714074213
>so what would you suggest they do?
Not making that shit in the first place?

>>714071697 (OP)
>14.5k signature today
I'm utterly baffled by this resurgence at the very tail end of the time limit. Where did this sudden surge in interest come from? I can understand a one-off boost from a well made video or something, but this has been continuing at a steady pace for over a week now. Where the fuck were all these people in the past 10 months?

>>714074121
>>714074147
Have you lot really not been keeping up? It wouldn't be retroactive for games that are already dead like the crew but for games that are still currently active it would apply to them since they haven't been shut down.

The sheer amount of ignorance about an initiative you support is astounding.

The moment you enact this horribly overreaching legislation the devs are gonna charge double for the offline build.

>>714074213
private servers, obviously

>>714074218
I am bored

>>714074213
>Release shitty p2p server you have to self host
>Leave
So hard...

>>714071697 (OP)
Fuck off. Short form ethereal content is the future and it gatekeeps both (you) and poorfags

>>714074346
yes, and poor innocent publishers are going to suffer for the devs' greed

>>714074195
It's outdated, both countries already surpassed 100%

>>714074272
You can't control what people make, if they want to make a game with an online focus then they should be able to make one.
You as the consumer shouldn't be fighting to force government legislation on them, you should be buying what you want that aligns with your interests and such.

>>714074347
>>714074430
You can't be serious, that's still forcing them.
The choice to do so should all be on them.

>>714074332
>Have you lot really not been keeping up? It wouldn't be retroactive for games that are already dead like the crew but for games that are still currently active it would apply to them since they haven't been shut down.
why are you pulling things out of your ass, you dumb cunt? this isn't a law proposition, you don't know who it's going to apply to.
and there will very likely be a grace period of a couple of years as is virtually always the case.

>>714074442
HA.
No, they're going to rake in the money as you people double dip thinking you've won. This while campaign was about being able to safely make blind purchases after all.

>>714074109
ohmysweetsummerchild.mp3

>>714074545
Anon, that would still apply to any active game once it passes. Do you really not understand what you're trying to do here?

>>714074671
Are you suggesting that it's a third world European thing? Because normal people hunt for deals.

>>714074521
>just vote with your wallet!
Right, it was always that easy. Where would the vidya industry be without such wise advice.

>>714074691
learn to read, dumbass. this isn't a law proposition.
nobody knows the details of the potential implementation. i don't and you don't.
what is certain is that there will be a grace period as is always the case with such regulations.
and what is also certain is that interests of developers will be accounted for as industry representatives are going to be involved in drafting a law.

>>714074321
The influencing campaign (/v/, instagram, snapchat and so on) began only a week ago

>>714074640
The campaign is to ask publishers specify game life circle though. It's un-blinding people.

>>714074859
>, it was always that easy
Yes, yes it is. The problem is that you and your generation don't do it. Instead you demoralise yourselves into thinking making everything worse is better

Even if they get 1m votes this is going to fail. USB-C was about blatantly anti-consumer practice , this is about making company make games playable forever beyond their shelf life which is fucking retarded. Do you really need to be keep playing games like Concord forever? Who are you going to play it with?

>>714073570
>>714071697 (OP)
>only white people care about this
LOL! it's really telling

>>714075247
>beyond their shelf life
what shelf life? was it specified when you sold it? if not, tough shit.

>>714075342
>what shelf life?
When nobody is fucking playing it except faggot who have buyers remorse then the game has exceeded its shelf life

>>714075247
>Digital item
>Shelf life
Hello little consumer golem

>>714075430
And how many are needed for the faggots who have buyers remorse?

>>714074213
What you mean by "develop game around online"? I´m not trying to be obtuse, just that you don´t give much to work with to discuss the issue. If you talk about games with centralized server (like, say, Overwatch): just release the server software. This is not difficult nor anything new. Fucking Minecraft has server-side soft downloadable to anyone who wants it. If you mean a MMO-like game such as WoW where the host handles tons of interactions per minute, well, there´s reverse-engineered private servers so obviously that isn´t too difficult to implement either. If you mean something else, please elaborate.

>>714075430
that's just your opinion, not how it's sold.
are you 12 years old or why do you not understand the concept of community-run dedicated servers?
it doesn't take any additional work on the devs' side if this requirement is taken into consideration from the getgo.

>>714075247
>Do you really need to be keep playing games like Concord forever? Who are you going to play it with?
What kind of selfish, shortsighted busybody do you have to be to think this is a good counterargument? Never mind the fact that it also misses the point entirely.

>>714074213
Release the hosting software like Minecraft? This isnt dark magic retard

Why aren't Norway and Switzerland part of the EU?

>>714075247
You skg dipshit are the most dishonest cunts I've ever seen. You can't tackle valid arguments people have so you just pretend to be the opposition instead and strawman until the cows come home.

>>714071697 (OP)
What's Luxembourg's problem? They are in the middle of well-performing countries.

>>714076353
They have money and sense

>>714076353
They didn't want to be. Norway is in the economic part of it. Switzerland due to their meme neutrality shit.

>>714076353
because EU is a terrible place unironically rob you of your freedoms and send browns to you

>>714076739
Switzerland can do that fine by itself even without the EU. What's your point?

>>714075847
>I´m not trying to be obtuse, just that you don´t give much to work with to discuss the issue.
It's pretty obvious what he's meant by it anon. You're clearly not illiterate so you shouldn't be that confused.
>just release the server software. This is not difficult nor anything new.
Except it is in this day and age where things like server software aren't custom built for each game. Also, you need to understand that back in our day no one forced developers to hand over their property, they gave it of their own volition. No one should be forced to give up their property and that's the crux of this issue. You're more concerned about your personal woes while everyone against you is more concerned about the rights to ownership that everyone has being altered as a result of your ignorance and desire to help you an equally ignorant YouTuber.

>>714076353
they're rich and safe, and have open borders and free trade with the EU.
all they would gain from joining is more immigration and having to pay for other member countries.

>>714074037
NFS 2015 to give an example

>>714071697 (OP)
Fuck off shill not your army

>>714076353
Norway would have to be subjected to certain regulations regarding oil and fishing industries that woould negatively impact it.

>>714071697 (OP)
bulganiggers...

>>714074931
You are describing fascism in action.

Quickly!

Prove you AREN'T Jason "Mald" Fagtree.

>>714077915
Fascism is when people ask the government to do things.
Democracy is when corporations and private equity do it.

>>714077952
I signed the petition.

>>714077952
there have been times when i have been wrong about something

>>714077532
>Fuck off shill not your army
cringe. impotence isn't something to be proud of. 4chan used to be relevant.

>>714077915
>enforcing property laws is fascism
oy vey

>>714073864
>that get removed after a year or so.
Not a single SEGA game released on Steam after 2018 has Denuvo removed. Not even one.

>>714077915
i already signed it an year ago. you don't have to try to sell it to me

>>714078612
See >>714078003
You neonazis fuck

>>714071697 (OP)
>mediterraneans too lazy to sign
classic

>>714071697 (OP)
Don't care. Quit spamming your bullshit. inb4 troon rage