They had a good run

The whole idea of dedicated gaming hardware is dying period. Microsoft was just the first to fall, Sony is already beginning to crack and Nintendo will be the last standing but eventually they will cave as well. The concept of having a computer dedicated solely to playing video games when we do everything else on our PC's and phones is just dated, modern consoles are basically just locked down PC's anyway, basically multimedia devices

>only consoles left are snoyshit and tendieshit
China can't come up with a new hardware soon enough

>>714074513 (OP)
It's just Laura Fryer or whatever her name is, who actually a grifter not even just saying that like a lot of people do.

>opinion fluffpiece masquereded as news
Get a real job, OP.

>>714075014
What would China bring to the table? I largely agree with >>714074764
A dedicated computer for just video gaming feels very quaint, akin to a dedicated answering machine.

>Entire thread is I hate consoles I hate consoles I hate consoles!! DIE DIE DIE
How's the weather in India today? I hope you all can survive to 2030 to experience GTA6 when it releases on the PC. Your hairline won't survive, obviously you're all old men doing fanboy PC warring for /r/GCJ /v Era/ but you can try to make it. PC fanboyism, lol. Steam Deck flopped harder than the Ouya and N-Gage. Thread is as big an empty brain echochamber as any subReddit. Vastly overestimate how many people are into PC gaming.

>>714076878
>What would China bring to the table?
I don't know but I'm beginning to trust their judgement better than the west's at this point.

>Steam Machines will kill consoles. Just one more circlejerk for Valve my fellow PC tran sisters.
Place is so bitter and full of bald PC fanboys lmao. Lost their minds when they can't pirate Switch 2 games and they can't play PS5 exclusives either. The more bitter among them are the Xbox refugees who have to pretend to be PC gamers with 8GB VRAM PCs built on 600 dollars that can't even play native 4K. Sad state of affairs, the Xbox fanbase and bald PC Reddit fanbase of /v/

>>714076878
China has 10 billion people they can make more games than Japan

>>714074513 (OP)
I own every Xbox system, including a Series S and Series X.

But I will never buy another Xbox product. Abosultely disgusting company who openly despise their own customers. Completely infected by incompetent niggers and troons, rotted to the core.

>>714074513 (OP)
When are the layoffs getting announced? I want to see based Satya cut Xbox to the bone.

>>714077289
Yeah, except they haven't yet. Most of their games are locked to the recesses of Steam's underbelly being untranslated and cheap RPGs that are extremely underdeveloped or undercooked. Have you actually looked at them? They're even lower budget than the most low budget games from Japanese studios that only make DRPGs to save money. They are either based around the usual suspects of storytelling from China, they're extremely barebones eugenics simulators, they're extremely barebones RPGs/ARPGS, or they're these completely dead open world games with nothing to do in them.

Wuthering Waves and Genshin Impact got big, sure, and Wukong is a hit, but that's basically it out of their "big games". If you're dumb and count Taiwan as China that adds, what, Nine Sols and Eastward? The overwhelming majority of people don't count Taiwan as China though because that's stupid.

The Chinese do not have the gaming market even Korea does, and Korea primarily makes "grind until you die" MMOs and nothing else until suddenly making Stellar Blade, Lies of P, and The First Berserker: Khazan.

>>714077765
George Broussard (creator of Duke Nukem) and Jason S of Bloomberg said the cuts should be happening this week and they're likely to be the biggest since the Activision merger layoffs. Potentially 2000 jobs lost and many studios closed. Dedicated bald platform warriors on behalf of the master race are prepared to toast victory despite all of Xbox problems being self-inflicted wounds like porting their entire catalog of games to the PC and then doing it again on Switch and PS5. Completely insane devaluing your own brand. Not that Indian marketing groups understand this, to get people to buy your platform you need exclusives. Steam Machines and Steam Deck are abject failures but it won't stop their illiterate bald fanbase from making insane claims about the PC market and console market.

>>714074764
It isn't. A cheap dedicated gaming machine has never been more important with how bad gpus are now.

>>714074513 (OP)
>releases 0 exclusives games to play only in their dumb console, insist on generous multiplatform strategy instead
>"wtf why is no one buying our glorious box console guise???"
Couple that with a console with a performance that barely stays on par with its equivalents from other companies, and i'm surprised this thing survived as long as it did

>>714077289
Wow with all those people, there must be so much creative energy ready to bring all new experiences to the market, definitely justifying spending hundreds of dollars on a hauwei video game box. I sure hope no one stands in their way and stifles their creative freedom.

>>714076939
>>714077193
>>714078309
>PCfags live rent free in my head
Nice

>>714077163
Honestly, this should be the norm in the west too, the richest women in the world shouldn't have gained their wealth by divorcing the richest men in the world.
Plus, this would make people think twice before marrying and having children with people they shouldn't.

>>714079001
I'm not buying 2000 dollars GPUs. I'm not buying 8gv VRAM graphic cards. The Steam Deck and Steam Machines all flopped harder than the N-Gage, Ouya, and Xbox Series family. Your hairline won't return to you. GTA6 is not releasing on the PC /v era/ Reddit master race platform.

>>714079050
You undervalue a policy like that; getting rid of divorce rape is a death blow to feminism.

>>714079115
>Muh AAA slop
No thanks, glad to know I will forever live in your head 4free like the Boogeyman.

>>714079483
>Borderlands 4 system requirements too high for 50% of Steam users, according to hardware survey results
>https://www.pcguide.com/news/borderlands-4-system-requirements-cut-out-50-of-steam-users-with-an-8-core-cpu-need/
$2000 GPUs. 8GB $500 GPUs. $500 CPU and motherboard. PC fanboy gaming time.

>>714074513 (OP)
I bet the dumb names were part of the problem. Xbox > Xbox 360 > Xbox One > Xbox Series.

What the hell does it all mean.

>>714079631
>Cucklands 4
I don't care about your shit games

>>714079835
It's okay to say you can't afford a $2000 GPU or more than 8GB of VRAM on your PC /r/GCJ build little bro. When are you upgrading to a 500 dollar CPU btw master vegan race bro?

>>714079631
And yet it's optimized to run on the Xbox Series S but they won't let weaker PCs run it. Makes you think.

>>714079115

>>714078557
They aren't cheap. You can get a basic gaming PC like a Steam Deck for less than PS5 or Switch 2. And unlike a Switch 2 or PS5 you can use it for stuff other than gaming.
You could argue that it's not as high performance, but you can also buy used hardware on ebay and get something much higher performance was for cheaper.

In all cases, the point is that this hardware isn't locked down and crippled so you can use it for other purposes, so you don't need to buy additional hardware to do everything else. "Cheap gaming machines" are completely fucked in an economy full of rampant poverty.

>>714079801
Xbox One made some sense somewhat and even moreso when you see just how retarded and out of touch the people who marketed it were.
>Xbox is about to become the next watercooler
It was supposed to be an All in One multimedia box where you watched TV/movies, played videogames and talked with friends.

Issue is, older consoles already did that and these retarded executives were non the wiser or just pretending to be something new as to sell their network deals they were pushing, especially sports.
I knew people watching Netflix on the Wii, so their push was absolutely retarded.

I have no idea what the fuck they were thinking with the "Series", what a retarded fucking name.
Were thei thinking of making third parties make Xbox consoles as well?
I just don't understand, and I don't think their pajeet and dyed hair cunt filled marketing team knows either.

>>714079920
Shut up brown boy, nobody cares that you're dumb and poor.
Go play your blurry poorly running AAA trash on your shit brick.

We are entering early 2000s Pixar level quality with the PS6.

I think this is when companies should go all in on the movie game meme even if it's something like ratchet and clank rift apart.

Especially baby games like Spyro and banjo kazooie.

I think if Xbox was smart they would partner with Sega and Atari. Just abandon Xbox as a brand and try to create a brand that's less edgy.

ITT: Vegans salesmen cope with the fact the Steam Deck and Steam Machines flopped and that the Steam Deck can't even play new games like Doom Dark Ages, Borderlands 4, TES Oblivion Remaster, FF7 Rebirth, but they have to announce to the world their 650 dollar device is a good option against the Switch 2 and PS5. Veganism. PC Redditor. When the high cost of PC parts are up to 2000 dollars, 8gb VRAM GPUS cost 500 dollars, and PC ports are more broken than ever you have retards >>714080454 undergo mental breakdowns that lie constantly.

>And unlike a Switch 2 or PS5 you can use it for stuff other than gaming.
Did someone ask? lmao, the vegan thing is so real about Reddit /r/GCJ PC faggots

>>714080682
I know you're posting this garbage here 24/7, but I'm not interested reading it. So don't reply to me.

>>714080781
650 dollars Steam Deck lmao. 2000 dollar graphic cards lmao. 500 dollar 8GB vram graphic cards lmao. Good options little PC vegan salesman bro.

>>714080593
Disneybrained retards are something else.

So I'm guessing the big push corpos will do is streaming games. First it will be only digital, then this. Just like most people no longer buying movies but just using streamings.
I guess some companies in the past just were too early on that.

>>714076878
>A dedicated computer for just video gaming feels very quaint
people still buy record players anon

>>714080850
Steam Deck is 400 USD. At least get the price somewhere close to reality.

>You can get a basic gaming PC like a Steam Deck for less than PS5 or Switch 2
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XksjiCHyag4 Perfectly playable FF7 Rebirth on the 650 dollar Steam Deck that was recommended as an option against the PS5 and Switch 2. It runs sub30FPS with FrameGen turned on and has an abysmal image quality because the Steam Deck is an aged out 3 year old device that's bad value per dollar and no in way a viable alternative to a dedicated console. But when you live in an echochamber of Reddit PC vegan cult you think this is great. For the record the PS5 and Switch both cost 450 dollars. This is the 650 dollar Steam fanboy cult device (that got outsold by the N-Gage, Ouya, Wii U, PS Vita).

Dude over the last 10 years xbox bought like 2 dozen studios, announced 2 dozen games and have nothing to show for it. They are already giving their studios so much rope that they are spending 4, 5 years in pre-production bumbling around cooking up ideas and scrapping them basically throwing years of work into the trash. What more do you want?


>no state of decay 3
>no perfect dark
>no gears e day
>no fable
>no everwild
>no fallout
>no elder scrolls
>no routine

All games that have been in development forever and they still have nothing.

But as long as they have 30 million gamepass subscribers the whole xbox division remains profitable.

>>714080454
>machine too weak to play the same games
>used for one, but not the other

k. Kindly (not really) kill yourself.

>>714080682
>>714080850
>>714081063
>modern consoles can't play Deus Ex
And just like that, you lost

>>714081187
Stop samefagging lol. One reply was enough.

>>714080454
>You could argue that it's not as high performance, but you can also buy used hardware on ebay and get something much higher performance was for cheaper.
You can also buy a used PS5. I'm not a consolefag but it's still tiresome when people compare the price to performance of used component PC builds to a brand new PS5. Apples and oranges.

>>714081125
>But as long as they have 30 million gamepass subscribers the whole xbox division remains profitable.
It's not profitable because it's not self sustainable. All of Microsoft exclusives had to go to the Playstaiton 5 and Nintendo Switch because the operating costs were too high under the GamePass renting DRM venue. Want me to use Phil's own words? Because I got them.
>"I can safely say that if we do not make more progress than this off console, we would exit the gaming business," Spencer said, referencing a presentation that showed the projected growth of Game Pass on console, PC, and cloud by 2030 (as reported by Wccftech). "If this were the outcome, I don't believe we'd still be in the business."
>https://wccftech.com/microsoft-may-exit-gaming-business-if-game-pass-subscribers-off-console-dont-increase-enough-by-2027/
Microsoft is only in the low 30 million sub count, combined number of their PC/Mobile/Consoles. And the bulk of them are console owners. The Xbox isn't even sold in most countries on Earth because supply ran out. Why is it so hard to admit that Game Pass was a bad idea, is a bad idea for ownership, and accelerated Xbox's exit from the console business?

>>714081279
>can't even spot a samefag

What the fuck can you do besides be a cancer on the world?

>>714080929
Retard who has never been outside his mom's basement.

Most normies see videogames as toys or for nerds.

So yeah 3d animated movies is something Nintendo and Sony have been trying to replicate.

You can tell just from the designs.

>>714081316
Buying used PC parts is more dangerous than a used console. Crypto mining builds are a thing, have been a thing since the mid 2010s. PC vegans have a lapsed idea of what the market reality is, let alone what the used market looks like. This is 4chan where Temu and Alieexpress PC builds get shared (lmfao). Guaranteed most are BIOS flashed graphics cards that die within 6 months.

All consoles will be gone in a decade anyways. It will be all cloud streaming shit by then.

>>714074764
Sony is having the opposite problem, their hardware is doing just fine but their first party game development side is falling apart due to criminal mismanaged.

>>714081016
Enough people to justify the R&D of a new console, a new controller, the marketing pushes, the deals to sign exclusivity of games from developers? A record player is a niche product for a niche market. These are not comparable.

>>714081453
2 more weeks until Nintendo goes third party and ports their games to PC. Trust the PC /r/Vegan /r/GCJ cult faith. Keep saying it since the Wii U era little vegan true believer platform warring bro.

>>714074513 (OP)
Yes, its dead since 2013

>>714075014
China cocksucking is unironically more retarded than Israel cocksucking

>>714081316
Sure you can. However, all you can do on it is play video games. That means you need to buy another device for everything else. That doesn't strike me as a particularly difficult concept to grasp. We are talking about a scenario of ultra poverty here not "I can afford whatever I want".
Although even if I can afford whatever I want I don't see any point in buying a console, since I can just buy a 2000 dollar graphics card instead.

>>714081316
>>714081447
Consoles are done for brownoid

>>714081408
Shut the fuck up normalfag retard

is this bald/pcvegan/gta6 spammer one schizo? this "guy" will be in 5+ threads at any one time seething about PC. I don't know if it's one person like Eric or a discord tranny raid.

>>714081063
The Steam deck is good if you're playing older games, which is mostly fine since trash like FF7R isn't worth playing at all

>>714080454
You can buy a used PS5 for cheaper

>>714081684
Depends on the country, in some even used ones are pretty costly

>>714081597
He just wants china to have good soft power so the US government is forced to fuck off with sweet baby inc and black rock.

>>714077163
The Man name only goes in the birth certificate with the positive dna test, they are based

>>714081521
The PS5 has sold 77m units, the Series consoles around 30m.

>>714081327
>Why is it so hard to admit that Game Pass was a bad idea
Because if GP didn't exist xbox would have an operating loss of 80%. GP's however many 30ish million subscribers is what is keeping the whole division alive. Which is the only reason why xbox have given up on an individuals games quality. Phil himself said it, something to the effect of "even a bunch of 10/10s wouldn't help us win" so they rather have their studios produce okay-ish 7/10 games that keep people subscribed. Which also ties nicely into the push for a new $80 standard. Much easier to convince someone to put down $15 or $20 for a month to try a bunch of games than sell them a single game for $80. And with a little luck that subscriber stays subscribed because he is now playing a bunch of other games he would have never tried.

>>714074764
Cope Xtard bitch, only Nintendo and Valve will last. high-end gaming is dead because graphics tards are just that, retarded.

>>714081684
See this. >>714081619
Can you buy an used PS5 and a computer to do everything else you need for cheaper, too?
Then again, I suppose most people could do everything they need on a phone too - including gaming. So you don't even need the PS5.

>>714074513 (OP)
>>714074764
It's got nothing to do with "concepts" and everything to do with imminent emission regulations. Consumer electronics are under attack by moralistic bureaucrats demanding they be more efficient and under a certain wattage, this has already been happening in the EU and places like California. Cutting your hardware entirely from the equation means this is overhead you no longer have to consider, it's someone else's problem. This is why Microsoft is so hyperfocused on becoming the Netflix of gaming via Gamepass and cloud-based streaming, and it's why the Xbox team is now being pushed into optimizing Windows for gaming for the first time in the company's history, because the new and growing market is pic related -- low energy draw portable handhelds.

Like it or not, this is the future of gaming. Not because you want it, but because the industry is being forced down this path.

Apparently the next Xbox is going to be a SFF PC running that new Xbox UI Windows they made for the Xbox Ally X.

>>714081619
People use their phones for everything else and only need the device to play video games.

>>714081823
That's a classic double edged sword though. Sure it's the only thing keeping the brand on life support, but it's simultaneously the thing that destroyed the brand in the first place.
Why would ANYBODY buy a game that's on Game Pass?

>>714081823
That is just a lie, GamePass doesn't make any money at all. The highest tier of GP is only marginally more expensive than the old Xbox Live Gold so they are effectively just giving away all their games for a minimal increase in sub revenue.

>>714075014
China can't even make drains that work right. A little rain and half their country is underwater right now.

>>714081621
I accept your concession that PC gaming is drastically much more expensive and that used PC parts are more dangerous to purchase. Never seen anyone recommend a used PSU for a reason.
>>714081938
>because the new and growing market is pic related
Steam Deck hasn't outsold the Wii U, PS Vita, N-Gage, Ouya. Xbox PC refugee spotted btw. No wonder Microsoft is doing so poorly with people like you around on their payroll.

>>714081938
Good, I hope they keep dropping the wattage allowed so developers are FORCED at GUNPOINT to optimize, and if they cant they LOSE THEIR FUCKING JOB unironically. 4th gen consoles used like 10-15W, we need to return.

>>714081987
You can play games on a phone too, you absolute muppet. You really don't need another device to play games.

>>714082059
Respond to me here coward nigger tranny >>714081656

Why do you spend all day on here crying and shitting your tranny diapers in multiple threads, plus creating threads and then samefag bumping them to keep them from 404ing all day as well

>>714081823
It's illusionary, gamepass is losing subscribers and only shows up on the books as a positive because they expanded the definition of it

>>714080593
>thing is killing gaming
>I know we should make even more thing that is killing gaming
You're retarded

>>714082108
How is the experience playing monster hunter wilds on that phone of yours?

>>714079050
The laws are pretty good in the states. Many states have it where if the man (or genders swapped around) purchased the property before getting married then the wife is not entitled to it which is how it should be.

>>714082204
About the same as your experience of playing Starsector on the PS5.

>>714082059
>UH THE CURRENT SALES OF NOW
>Specifically mentions the Steam Deck for some reason when the topic is about any and all gaming handhelds such as the Switch 2
Utterly irrelevant to what's going to happen. You're a simpleton unable to comprehend cause and effect. High end gaming PCs as we know them are going to stop being a thing the moment the emission regulations regarding consumer electronics pass legislation, and it's going to hit consoles as well.

with xbox dead i hope sony starts considering nintendo as competition again, would be good for the market, both for playstation fans but also for nintendo fans who have been accepting way too much bullshit from nintendo lately.

>>714081656
>>714082059
Why are they called consoles when the subhumans that play them don't even know what CMD is?

>>714074513 (OP)
He says it as if it hasn't been obvious for a couple of years.

Notice how Xbox fags feel so confident all the time? Where is this newfound confidence coming from, lmfao.
>Yes we lost every generation for 20 years
>Yes we fired and closed more studios than Sony and Nintendo in the last 5 years
>Yes are exiting the console hardware business
>BUT WE ARE GOING TO KILL IT WITH OUR ROG ALLY WITH AN XBOX STICKER
>In the PC handheld market that hasn't outsold the Wii U, PS Vita, N-Gage, Ouya
lmfao the absolute state of the echochamber effect. Genuinely should be studied by behavioral psychologists. To be so deep rooted in your platform warring echochamber that you're divorced from reality. Sony and Nintendo make money from their cut from selling games on their ecosystems. ASUS doesn't make shit from customers buying games from Steam or Microsoft, lmfao what business path is this shit? The future? Maybe if you love sucking 1000 dollars corporate cock for their devices that won't be sold at a loss. /r/GCJ doesn't send their best balding warring Steam fanboys.

>>714080682
This is just an Xbot, Microsoft's given them new marching orders so they can cope with the death of Xbox, they try to bring everyone into their failure and think Xbox PC will beat the SteamOS while they themselves constantly promote Steam's store being the reason Microsoft will win despite it not working anything like how they are describing it works.

>>714081542
you really think in 2035 we will still be getting regular game consoles?

>>714081453
Cope, Xtard, Xbox is dead and everything including their very expensive cloud, will go with it. Microsoft's gaming side will be publishers and publishers only.

>>714082268
You can play starsector on a ps5? Cool.

>>714081542
Xbots are trying to make it happen because their console fell on its ass.

>>714082484
>If Microsoft is dead it means everyone is dead too
Stay in your hole Xbox cockroach. Renew your GamePass and circlejerk Phil Spencer. The bitterness of Xbox leaving console business is on you for believing Phil for 10 years. You sound like a heartbroken ex lmao. Sony and Nintendo aren't going to die just because you're getting upboats on /r/BaldingPCFanboy

>>714082589
No you can't. I think the point flew straight over your head and it wasn't even a particularly complicated one.

I enjoy my Series X, I can play all the Splinter Cell games and F.E.A.R games on it

Still, I play more my PS5 and Switch despite having over 150 games on Series X

>>714081991
>Sure it's the only thing keeping the brand on life support, but it's simultaneously the thing that destroyed the brand in the first place.

Because Xbox can't force quality and they don't have any studios that can make those industry shaking blockbuster games. Why do you think they bought so many studios? In the hopes that some of them give them the next GTA-tier mega seller. But when they realized halfway through covid that they just don't have it, they started putting all their eggs into the GP basket. Again, a $20 sub(and with it access to at least a couple games that the subscriber SHOULD like) is easier to sell than one game that, considering their releases over the last 5 years, is most likely meh at best.

>>714082024
>>714082170
>That is just a lie, GamePass doesn't make any money at all.
It's their only reliable revenue stream and, on paper, it looks good enough to present to their bosses at Microsoft.

>>714081938
This was already won by Nintendo and Valve, even ex-Xbox hardware developers are just calling for Microsoft to just go third party and stop with hardware completely. This is stupid and they'll never get rid of Windows bloat no matter how hard they try.

>>714081935
>and a computer to do everything else you need for cheaper, too?
Yes. Firstly, most people already have computers that can do basic tasks.
But assuming that for some reason you didn't have one, you can buy a used / refurbished one for very cheap. Like $200

>Xbox fags can't debate how the business model of OEM Xbox PC handhelds work when ASUS, Lenovo, etc can't make money off Steam and Microsoft Store
>Xbox fags can't even explain how 3rd parties will be encouraged to make Xbox ports if no one buys from the Microsoft store anymore
>Xbox fags can't even begin to explain the business model of Microsoft demanding Valve to share their 30% revenue fee if an Xbox Rog Ally customer buys from them
>All Xbox can do is death cult chanter Sony and Nintendo will die in 2 more weeks
lmfao the ABSOLUTE STATE of Indians marketing. The best Microsoft can buy before the next layoffs begin.

>>714082658
But if the experience is the same as starsector on a ps5 and you can't play starsector on a ps5 then that would mean you would need more than just a phone to play monhun? How does that work when you said you don't need a dedicated gaming device since a phone covers all your gaming needs?

>>714082309
They won't, they will die too, they've already made many of the mistakes Microsoft made. Only Nintendo and Valve will exist in their own separate markets while Microsoft and Sony will be third parties for them.

>>714074513 (OP)
Some anons got series xs for like $380 on Black Friday last year I'm absolutely going to be trying to sniff one of those out for that price that's literally unbeatable value

>>714082361
At this point, it's just cope. It's gotten both embarrassing and delusional. Every time their shit fails they say everyone else will die too while somehow realistically believing Microsoft can take on both Nintendo and Valve and become king. As delusional as believing Microsoft will buy both Nintendo and Valve.

>>714074513 (OP)
I respect the perspective of the old guard but it's really just a reaffirmation of common sense. The Xbone era broke Spencer, not that navigating that mess wouldn't break any sane man. It utterly convinced him that hardware was a lost cause and that Xbox's approach needed to circumvent that roadblock entirely. Enter Game Pass. But yeah, Xbox hardware is fucking dead. Has been for years now.

>>714082949
Good luck

Xbox Series X is very pricey now

>>714081732
If you're a thirdie, PC is the best option. Mostly because of piracy.
But in rich countries, things are different. Especially because most big games release with denuvo these days.
You don't end up saving as much with PC here, if you are mostly interested in AAA

>>714074513 (OP)
What went wrong?

>>714082949
That was before prices shot up across the board for PS5 and Xbox. Last year I also got my Xbox headset and Dualsense controller for $50 each. Now they're $100 each.

>>714082858
Correct, but you'd need more than a phone and PS5 to play StarSector too. What does that mean? That you now need to buy a PS5, a PC and a phone?
Actually, at that point why do you even need the PS5? MHW is on PC.
Looking at the reviews though, I have no idea why anyone would even want to play that game.

Let me break it down because it's sounds genuinely insane. Xbox fans (Indians marketers) propose PC handhelds with an Xbox sticker as a viable path. These handhelds can avoid paying Microsoft their online subscription wall by going into Steam. Then these same people will buy from Steam directly, which again skirts Microsoft's own walled garden store. So they lose their online subscription count and they lose a game purchase because Steam has no reason to share their revenue. This amazing device will be capable of playing current gen games and their entire Xbox library for 500 dollars. It will just work with alien tech magic to reduce R&D/manufacturing/shipping/retailer costs and Microsoft will sell their product at a loss, at a low price, just to be nice because they're a trillion dollar company.

This is third worlder logic (South American, Indian, Southeast Asia, Eastern European) about businesses. And they're the biggest defenders of renting games on Game Pass. You can smell the shit from this thread's Xbox and PC handheld fanboys hands.

>>714083193
This, my buddy was hunting for a Series and gave up after checking eBay for weeks and seeing
>for parts only
For 200$

>>714079801
Curious thats only Sony understand the importance of the name

>>714083069
Maybe they invested so much their entire library consists on Xbox and they're afraid they will get shutdown? Because it will be shutdown, they own none of their Xbox digital games.

>>714083121
People who are "mostly interested in AAA" in 2025 should be shunned from this fucking board, you're no better than a predditor at that point. Go be a normgroid le cinematic walking sim guzzler somewhere else.

>>714083302
These retards are so retarded that they don't even know that this shit will cost $1000 because the third party hardware company wants to make all that money back. It gets worse when the Steam Deck/SteamOS exists. Xbots are new kind of retarded.

>>714083284
To save money on not getting a fucking overpriced pc? Going full circle into the whole point of having a dedicated gaming device without costing a ton of money because they simply don't need a pc to watch youtube and scroll through twitter.

>>714074764
>Nintendo
>eventually they will cave as well
Anyone who says this doesn't understand or recognize how severely, autistically insular Nintendo's brand and culture is. You will see Chris-chan sell the rights to Sonichu before Nintendo abandons dedicated hardware and exclusives, and Nintendo is more likely to exit the industry entirely before either of those things happen.

>>714083479
This

>>714083687
It's because they aren't stupid, watching what is happening to Xbox should only reinforce their mindset

>>714083302
i don't see an xbox-only/microsoft-store-locked handheld working either, at this point they should just first party produce their own desktops for gaming instead of trying to fit $2k tech into a $500 pricepoint with millions in r&d involved

>>714083479
Most normalfags don't use their consoles for much other than cod, sports slop, and the occasional AAA game
And 4chan is much more degenerate than those people, by the way

>>714083687
These retards sound exactly like Microsoft. Retarded and only think in the short term not understanding that companies like Nintendo and Valve were preparing for this since the early 2000s while Microsoft was sitting around twiddling their thumbs. No matter how you look at it, the future is Nintendo and Valve.

>>714083121
>You don't end up saving as much with PC here, if you are mostly interested in AAA
There are much more interesting reasons to be a PC gamer than AAA slop, like mods and better peripherals and no paid online, not to mention all the indie games that consoles don't get or that aren't good because of no access to mods.

>>714083806
They should just go third party, it's over

>>714083168
Enough to write a dissertation, but long story short Peter Moore stepped down and to this day no one else has filled his shoes.

>>714083661
You're really not getting it. The same way you don't need an overpriced PC, you don't need an overpriced console slopbox either. How is this such a hard concept for you to? Dedicated gaming devices are absolutely retarded. You can play games on a mobile phone and you can also play them on a non-gaming PC. For example, my PC without a graphics card could still play a lot of fun games.
I also have an old worthless graphics card from 2014 laying around too, I could install that to play an even bigger variety of games. Such as Cyberpunk 2077 for example, which Nintendo fans are super excited about for some reason right now.

This idea of "you can't play this specific AAA slop so you NEED to buy a dedicated gaming device to play it" is completely asinine. There are tens of thousands of games on phones alone which are more than enough gaming for the average person.

>>714074764
pc sells about as well as xbox. the idea of dedicated hardware is validated as long as ps5 outsells both combined by a wide margin.

>>714084132
dont bother, I've brought these points up at least a million times on here and console niggers just ignore them because they know they don't have an answer to it. Or they cope by saying "no one wants to play that anyways." I'd respect them more if they just admitted "yeah I cant play that on my console I'll give you that that's a significant point of differentiation" but they're brown teenagers who only have whatever slopsole their parents bought them so they have to rabidly lie/bullshit about it instead.

>>714084275
>You can play games on a mobile phone
Please stop masturbating. Please stop downloading gambling casino. Please stop talking like people want to play games on their phones. You sound like a snake oil salesmen trying to give a pitch about "everyone in the world has a phone, therefore we should develop games on phones!".

I realize this thread has Xbox fanboys in delusional cope, third worlders buying from Temu and Aliexpress busted rot infested used PC parts, but you're going over the edge now. You sound as stupid as "everyone in the world has a table, why aren't we making tabletop games". If I were to hazard a guess you're probably a zoomer and high on a bunch of Tech Bro Crypto(tm) salespitches videos and are giving it you're all here for mobile gaming.

I do not care that you can play jerkoff Chinese gambling game or ConnectDots3x3 Microtransaction game on your $55 Android phone. Shut the fuck up. Dedicated gaming devices aren't away. And Xbox destroying their own brand is on them, not on Sony or Nintendo. SEGA fans can rejoice knowing when they went out it was with dignity, Xbox fags and parasite idiots like you are going down in flames screeching.

>>714084265
Yup, it's the equivalent of PlayStation's California branch taking over PlayStation from Tokyo, Japan.

>>714084132
Normies don't care about any of that
See>>714083951
The things that you mentioned are only relevant for gaming enthusiasts like you or myself.
Not to normies, or most people that play games.
>>714084359
I'm specifically taking about this from the perspective of a normie

ITT: We scream in laughter at Xbox.

>>714084591
Nta, I agree with you that dedicated gaming devices won't disappear, but the reality is that phones are taking up more and more market share. Whereas the hardcore gaming audience isn't growing
At the very least we will see fewer big budget games in the future.
The big corpos will shift their focus to phones

"If Xbox is doing poorly, so must be Nintendo and Sony"
"I'm not in a cult!"
"I'm not in an echochamber!"
"The PC handheld with an Xbox sticker are going to OWN Nintendo and Sony and Valve!"
"You wish you preordered, consoles are DEAD DEAD DEAD DEAD DEAD!"
"I am NOT MAD I AM NOT LEAVING ANGRY PHONE MESSAGES I AM NOT MAD"
"I am not punching walls I trust Phil Spencer this is the vision, everything is coming together, I can play 10% of my Xbox games on my new ASUS Rog Ally, I trust the plan, I am not in a cult"
"CONSOLES ARE DEAD DEAD I AM PUNCHING MY WALLS AHHHHHHHHHHH FUCK SONY SAAAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH FUCK NINTENDO AHAHAHAHAHAH XBOX VICTORY ASSURED"

>>714084591
Why are you seething so hard about this? If you think so, good for you. I don't really care because you're obviously wrong. All the numbers say that dedicated gaming devices are slowly becoming more and more irrelevant. I mean even Sony seems to understand that because they are selling their wares on PC now. The only reliable console holdout left is Nintendo, and I suspect Nintendo will be the only one left in a decade because there isn't room in the market for more.

>>714084950
PC gaming has shrunk in Germany, lol. Not reading the rest of your delusions of grandeur like the fable Steam Deck is only <1% of the gaming market as of 3 years later. Steam Machines, Steam VR, and Steam Deck are only big in your head. Not in the real world.

>>714074764
This doesn't make any sense, even if the hardware is just a PC you're still offering it at a lower cost due to making up the difference elsewhere with licensing fees etc.

>>714074513 (OP)
6 years too late. It was dead the moment Microsoft integrated it into windows.

>>714084275
People that just want "a" game already have their needs met with a phone. As soon as you start getting into the territory of wanting more than what a phone provides because you can't play aaa slop on a phone the question becomes console or pc. And the answer to that question becomes console because of the price/performance ratio. It's all very very simple. The average person disagrees with what you consider enough for their needs.

>>714084950
>gaming devices are becoming irrelevant
>Nintendo Switch 2 sells near 4 million units soon after it just released
Sony is putting their crap on PC because their shitty movie and live-service games cost too much money to make.

>>714081327
Xbox is definitely profitable with the gamepass subs. You just aren't doing the math. A simple Google search will confirm its making money. Assuming people on average pay $8 a month for gamepass, it's pulling in $280 million a month and that's probably on the low end because people like me stacked the sub when it was cheap. It's probably more like $350-400 million a month considering it costs between $10-$20 a month. So gamepass is pulling around 4 billion a year. Keeps in mind they still sell the games on most platforms now. They are probably bringing in 8-10 billion over a cost of 1.5 billion.

Xbox deserves to die.

>>714085751
>This is a list of games Microsoft considered getting on Game Pass day 1 and their estimates for how much $ the publishers would ask for, the likelihood of getting a deal, as well as some predictions for the popularity and "wow factor" of each title
>Obviously, most of these games never made it to Game Pass, and even those that did didn't necessarily go for the predicted prices.
>-Red Dead 2 - $5M/mth
>-Suicide Squad - $250M
>-Star Wars Jedi Survivor - $300M
>-Mortal Kombat 1 - $250M
>-Baldur's Gate 3 - $5M
>-Gotham Knights - $30M
>-Assassin's Creed Rift - $100M
>-GTA V - $12-$15M/mth
>-Dying Light 2 - $50M
>-LEGO Star Wars - $35M
>-Dragon Ball: The Breakers - $20M
>-Return to Monkey Island - $5M
>-Wreckfest 2 - $10-$14M
>-Just Dance - $5M
>-Blood Runner - $5M
>-Glitch Busters - $5M
>https://www.gamesindustry.biz/xbox-leak-reveals-estimated-costs-of-aaa-games-on-game-pass
Do you think, in good faith, that GamePass is viable? Even knowing they raised the prices and removed "free day one on GamePass" pledge on their basic membership? Even after porting their exclusives to Playstation and Nintendo because their current model isn't giving them a return on revenue they would want?

>>714074513 (OP)
good, kikrosoft not having a free or inexpensive online service makes me feel like they deserve all the bad things that happen to them
t. has an xbox one but no xbox live
>>714079001
>AmeriGODs out of nowhere

>>714082728
NTA post me a legally-binding statement that Gamepass is profitable, or even just a breakdown of cost of revenue vs income for Gamepass. You can't, because there is none, because asserting as such in a e.g. financial call is illegal because it's a lie.

>>714085751
>constant layoffs and studio closures
>Xbox consoles being gutted for OEMs
>no longer selling at a loss
>no more acquisitions
>outsourcing to hell and back
Game Pass killed the business like everyone predicted it would back in 2020.

>>714086429
>post me a legally-binding statement that Gamepass is profitable

cool it with the anti-semitism, companies are allowed to tell less-than-truths to pump stock price chud

So...uhm....

About those layoffs and studio closures, when is it happening? Today or tomorrow?

>>714085751
The flaw in your reasoning is that the Xbox userbase was already paying for Xbox Live in the past. Folding GamePass into that service means they got a very small increase in revenue over what they had before, while completely destroying game sales.

>>714086429
>The 34 million figure is reflective of the fact Xbox Series S / X consoles haven’t been selling as well as PS5 hardware, and that consumers aren’t flocking to Game Pass for Xbox Cloud Gaming on mobile devices. Microsoft also started converting Xbox Live Gold subscribers over to Xbox Game Pass Core last year, and the company has confirmed to The Verge that the 34 million includes those subscribers, too.

>While Xbox president Sarah Bond mentioned that 34 million Xbox Game Pass subscribers will have access to Diablo IV next month, the game won’t actually be available to all Game Pass subscribers. “The 34 million Game Pass membership number is accurate. Diablo IV is coming to Xbox Game Pass on March 28th, with the exception of the Xbox Game Pass Core catalog,” says Kari Perez, head of communications for Xbox, in a statement to The Verge.

>Microsoft’s goal isn’t to convert everyone into a Game Pass subscriber, either, according to Spencer. “Our goal is not to make everybody a game pass subscriber,” says Spencer in an interview with The Verge. “I’ve said many times that maybe 10-15 percent of our content and services revenue is subscriber revenue. It’s a good business for us today, Game Pass, but in no way is there a plan that says ‘Okay, everybody needs to become a Game Pass subscriber.’”

https://www.theverge.com/2024/2/15/23570040/microsoft-xbox-game-pass-subscriber-numbers-34-million

But no, there is no earnings call or investors report that gives a detailed breakdown. I can't even find an SEC filing, which is strange.

Sure but if you want me to use your shit slow launcher for my installed games you are several years behind playnite or even steam, fuck off.

People shouting dedicated consoles are dying are retarded. Dedicated consoles aren't what's dying, high-end gaming is dying. PC GPU prices are through the roof, PC handhelds all cost significantly more than the Steam Deck, Microsoft and Sony wanted to match high-end PCs with their consoles and are now paying for it. Doesn't matter if you game on consoles or PC, the name of the game is affordability, always has been.

>>714082231
Even if he purchased it after marrying her, if she's not in the title as a co-owner, she shouldn't steal his property.

I want the record to reflect that when SEGA went out with the Dreamcast, I was bummed out but happy I got to enjoy all those great exclusives when they launched. I ended up getting both the GameCube and PS2 anyway. I skipped the Saturn so that's probably why I wasn't super burned out by the whole Dreamcast death thing.

Meanwhile when the Xbox as a console business goes out, the fanbase reacts by shouting how much they hate consoles and they hate everyone and most of all Sony.

>>714087578
i hate microsoft and sony

One single event and the cookie crumbled instantly.

>>714087687
... and nintendo!

>>714087721
This is because everything was leading to this, this was the device Microsoft was always building towards, when it failed, that was the end of Xbox. Notice that there was no plan after this. Microsoft will eventually retire the Xbox name entirely and just go back to the old Microsoft Game Studios name.

>>714087747
Nope, just microsoft and sony

>>714087901
... not nintendo?

>>714087721
Timeline shattering event, the central nexus of a time traveling story, the loop that was never closed

>>714074764
>>714074513 (OP)
Microshit fanboy cope. Xboxes are shit gaming consoles.

>>714086957
Taking Spenc at his word here, that puts GP revenue at max 900mm/yr (based on 6b/yr Xbox div revenue). I'm working from memory here. Netflix cost of revenue is more than 20b/yr, so there's 0 chance GP is profitable.

>>714087901
This, future is Nintendo and Valve, no one else. Nintendo + Steam has been a thing for a while, I should have taken the Switch Deck pill years ago.

>>714087941
No

>>714078557
The value proposition from consoles has literally never been worse, with PC you can at least get a toaster and play old games/indies/pirate

this is what shawn layden said a few months ago about playstation. he said playstation probably only has one gen left because consoles are dying off. it makes sense why there is a big pc pivot by microsoft and also the entry into the market by valve. these pc console/hybrid devices are the future. the walled garden approach provides no benefit because it's hard to subsidise console prices now by locking people into a single storefront. next gen consoles are going to be expensive as fuck.

>own more than half the entire western videogame industry
>own the most popular
>hundreds of studios under your direct control
>still produce nothing but mid
>nobody cares

That anon that wants operating costs, you want them? Microsoft asks EA for a game to put on GamePass. EA gives them a figure of 300 million dollars, they haggle back and forth, it costs 250 million dollars for Microsoft. Deal is done, Star Wars is put on GamePass. Now Microsoft has to pump up their subscription number or retain what they have but bump them up to higher subscription tier. For the sake of argument we have 30 million Xbox consoles sold worldwide, out of those how many were traded in/sold out of rage? How many customers will NEVER EVER rent their games? So let's say 20 million customers own an Xbox Series and are happy to rent games. How many of those 20 million are using GamePass free trial renewing tricks? How many used the GamePass $1 stacking trick for years? Next we do the math on the potential of PC users who want to use Microsoft's ecosystem and rent games, is that really that high of a number? Microsoft tried to put their games exclusively on their store, but they walked it back and put them on Steam again. The PC figure is unknown so I can't even hazard to guess, but it obviously isn't the core of the GamePass subscription count.

So everywhere you look Microsoft has to make GamePass self sustainable, otherwise they can't put new games on the rental catalog and they can't invest in their own (50+ game studios) to keep the lights on. The whole Game Pass thing unravels like a house of cards. The actual nerd accounting must look like magic to fool Microsoft's Bob accountants for this long. And remember the meat and potatoes is getting their own hardware to trojan horse renting games, without it it looks even more dire as they're haggling Steam users and SmartTV owners (lol) to rent games. I'm just not convinced doing my own math that they somehow break even when the costs are so staggering as they kept increasing their internal developers count and they keep putting games on day one, which removes the entire 50-70 dollar purchases.

>>714081656
He's based because you PC mustard rice faggots are so fucking annoying. Literal redditors.

>>714088261
These execs are retards. They continue to ignore Nintendo's and Valve's success without understanding how they were able to achieve their success. Only future Microsoft and Sony has are Nintendo's and Valve's third party game partners.

>>714088261
>AWCK-UALLY EVERYONE IS GOING TO DIE CONSOLES ARE DEAD
Keep punching walls in your little Xbox PC vegan death cult. Just because Microsoft self destructed doesn't mean Sony and Nintendo are plunging in with them. To be honest most of these post read like AI generated cope. Give AI a vague idea and it spits out this garbage you post. Like it's some 4D chess plan for Xbox to not become available for purchase in almost all major countries. You literally cannot buy an Xbox in most stores around the world, did you know this? Microsoft hasn't resupplied retailers for months. It's quite telling.

>>714088526
t. samefag schizo I was talking about, hi faggot

>>714089061
cope tranny

>>714089061
>shit up the board night and day with Pledditor PC fanboy platform warring
>wtf why does everyone hate us PC vegans
/g/ and /r/GCJ are available at any time for your little mentally stunted adult fanboy screeching you do at consoles.

>>714081542
>ports their games to PC.
If I want to play nintendo games on my PC I could with 0 issues and higher quality. The only thing that is stopping me is the lack of interesting games.
>noooooo zelda 760031 is amazing reee
ok

>>714074764
>when we do everything else on our PC's
who the fuck still uses this when the average smartphone is basically a pocket PC?
absolute peak delusion at display

>>714089073
>>714089179
not buying a piss 5 sorry resetera troon

>>714087496
>PC GPU prices are through the roof
It's true in general, but it feels like 70% of this whining is based on Nvidia going absolutely over the top with making their xx90 cards as powerful as possible that is mindbreaking people. Meaning that they would be perfectly happy if the 5090 just didn't exist.

>>714076878
>A dedicated computer for just video gaming feels very quaint
That's what I do. You shouldn't trust games. Between chinese gachas including kernel malware they call "anti-cheat", western AAA and their "telemetry" reporting to the mothership the names of all the files in your Documents folder, indies only being one deranged freak out away from scanning your machine for chud related activities, you absolutely should not be gaming on any device you do any real work on. Sure, dual-boot, but mostly I can't be fucked with the reboots. I have loads of shit opened and I don't want to close them and have to recover my work state later.
And these days I don't work in windows anyway, so even if I hadn't been dual-boxing before that would have been the clincher. In all honesty a console would be a damn sight more convenient, if only they weren't total blah these days.

2 more weeks lol

>>714089589
AMD sells 8GB VRAM cards. Intel cards are only 10% of Steam Hardware Survey and they're probably some ancient integrated irreverent mobile laptop cards. NVIDIA isn't solely to blame, crypto mining was the coup de grace. Let's take the RTX 5050, it's a newly announced card that's 8GB VRAM and it costs 250 dollars. You could pay 50 more to get a __60 tier card, but guess what? You're still stuck on 8GB VRAM. The PC GPU market has been broken for years. Don't try to sugarcoat it by saying it's the XX80-XX90 cards that are the problem. You can't even activate DLSS properly on lower end VRAM cards because it has to generate future frames on VRAM, simply put playing Max 1080p isn't even viable on modern 8GB VRAM cards at native res or DLSS without having to bump down your settings. And I'd sooner tip my toes in a volcano than play the used card lottery with GPUs.

>>714074513 (OP)
xbox fans are the worst kind of diehard fan

>>714083687
>Nintendo is more likely to exit the industry entirely before either of those things happen.
>trying to patent gimmicks
no fuck way they are gonna exit they will die on that hill

>>714088774
is this an AI bot reply? you can easily buy xbox's. i live in europe which is their weakest market and least focused market and i can buy one right now from several retailers. also the premise of this entire thing is baseless. someones opinion doesn't override the fact they literally came out a few days ago and announced not one but 2 consoles because they also announced the handheld being in development alongside the main console. the market is shifting and valve/MS are just following the trend. nintendo doesn't really need to change as they're in their own bubble. playstation usually follows microsoft's lead when it comes to this stuff so it makes sense why layden would say playstation has only one, at max 2 gens left as a console. because dedicated under-tv hardware will probably become more irrelevant as cloud and mobile/handhelds gain mainstream adoption.

either way we know for a fact a new xbox console is coming out soon.

>>714074513 (OP)
I forget they're even still a thing. I have no idea why they're still in the hardware market at all.

>>714074764
>30 years later
>don't give a shit anyway

>either way we know for a fact a new xbox console is coming out soon.
>for a fact
>https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xk82XxkFHMw
It's just 4 games. I don't trust anything out of Xbox. Drink that kool-aid in your Xbox PC fanboy death cult.

>>714089974
9060 XT 16GB seems pretty reasonable in terms of price, performance and VRAM

>>714090125
can't have all the eggs in one basket

>porting games which costs nothing and has little to no manpower required is the same as signing a deal to develop new console chips which will literally cost billions

i guess by that logic there won't be any PS6 right? remember when sony told me "only on playstation" for god of war, tlou, etc? i can see it at the top of my physical case in front of me. can't trust them.

>>714074764
The companies want cloud gaming because it means no one has access to their code, that is the end goal. No more piracy, no more mods, and no Chinese devs stealing their code to make billions like what happened with BotW and Genshin. You can sell all your games to everyone on every platform with ease, even people that only have Smart TVs, Microsoft is already working on making that a thing with putting their games everywhere, they're waiting for the technology to improve enough to start going cloud only.

Can anyone fetch me that tweet of the xbox fanboy realizing how pc gaming works and crying tears of joy.
It was something like "wow i can play snoy and xbox and also have steam installed? best console ever:

this meme is 15 years old and is as true as ever

>>714090598
Here ya go balding manchild PC platform warring /r/GCJ vegan bro

>>714090693
>Xbox fan
>I love video games
Hasn't been true since Peter Moore left. This list needs to be updated. Xbot death cult and Snoyroaches are the same with the Xbots being slightly worse.

>>714090768
still not buying a piss 5

>>714090768
Reminds me of this

>>714080593
Thq was coming out with so much Pixar kino around the ps2 era. The Toy Story game, the cars game, and fucking especially the incredibles game (which I admit was too hard for me to beat as a kid). I missed out on the walle game unfortunately

>>714090768
Doesn't this image indicate that Snoys and Xbots are one and the same?

>>714090693
Sort of, except those Sony fans became Nintendo fans after the great weeb game censorship reckoning on Sony's ecosystem. Honestly, most of the Xbox fanboys have went to Playstation already too which is why the Series S/X sales are down compared to the Bone. The Xbots basically replaced the weebs that left for PC/Switch.

>>714090693
>muh sales charts
Wait, are steamfags now former snoys?

>>714090768
in fairness i set out to do this and managed it easily. the only downside is i had to settle for ampere which can run kinda hot, but performance is way better than a pro for the same price roughly.

>>714074513 (OP)
What a soulless-looking machine.

>>714091089
Linux bros is this true?

>>714074513 (OP)
I will only buy the nextbox if they remove the paid online multiplayer requirement.

>>714088071
>Taking Spenc at his word here, that puts GP revenue at max 900mm/yr (based on 6b/yr Xbox div revenue).
Total revenue or net profit? If we're assuming they have 34m subs paying an average of $15(i know, napkin math) a year that puts the gross revenue of GP at around 5bn. Difficult to even just guesstimate a profit margin. What do we factor in? The total cost of every game on GP? The cost of the CDN as well? But, considering the 10-15% statement from Phil, that seems to be the case. That means it is profitable but just barely.

>>714090693
>calls everyone they don't like "steamies, snoys, erics"
>spams thread about console sales and japanese sale charts
So Tendies today were the snoys of 2010?

There's no real point in Xbox hardware existing and Microcock makes more than enough money to not give a fuck.

>>714091492
And how do they make money from you avoiding paying the subscription paywall?

>>714091862
He just told you?

No paid online: Cut of the console, cut of the software
Paid online: $0

>Xbox 720
>Exclusives are back
One last ride

>>714091862
If they don't, then they won't make any money from me at all. I know you might be young, but payed online console multiplayer wasn't standard practice until about 10 years ago. PC players (often sharing an ecosystem with xbox these days) also never had a subscription requirement for general multiplayer. Xbox also still have gamepass they could use as their primary subscription service instead. I hope you're not trying to be a faggot corporate bootlicker about paid online.

>>714091272
You can tell that the Xbox and early Xbox 360 was made by a bunch of nerds while the Xbox after looked like sanitized corporate slop.

>>714091492
They will but the console will be around $1000 or more and you will get less games than what's even on current Xbox consoles.

>>714092468
Nobody will buy a console that expensive and everybody knows it. It's one of the reasons VR keeps failing to take off (among others). Nintendo before the Switch, Playstation before 4, as well as other earlier consoles you've probably never heard of because you're probably a kid, didn't have subscription based online multiplayer and didn't have to sell consoles for $1000+ dollars. Removing this retarded requirement from Xbox will actually give console users an incentive to buy an xbox again, because all of their competition has subscription requirements as well. Maybe xbox can finally get back some market share.

>>714074513 (OP)
mismanaged every step of the way since the 360 gen ended. they're absolute clowns at microsoft seriously, so bad at their jobs and so out of touch

>>714074513 (OP)
>show up
>introduce paid online subscription
>introduce always online
>die
thanks

>>714074513 (OP)
Sad

>>714093570
There is no incentive to buy Xbox again, consoles sell on affordable pricing and exclusivity. If you have neither, then you have no right to exist.

>>714074764
Yeah, it just makes more sense to put your games on PC and sell pre-built branded PCs at cost as a baseline for new adopters. Hardware costs way too much to be sold at a loss and then you have to pray that your install base plays more than fifa, cod and GTA.

And nothing of value was lost.

for what it's worth i think the pc hybrid console will work. it caters to a large number of people.

>Biggest console launch of all time
>Total dominance of the Japanese market
>No layoffs
>No Concord tier level failures that cost $400M
>Actually making games

Kneel

>>714095037
Think about how many games Snoy could have made just with the money spent on their live service flops + Bungie alone. It could have legitimately been a return to PS1/PS2 era exclusivity.

>>714094372
Only Nintendo really has exclusives in 2025. Others port their games to PC at the very least.

>>714095193
>Japan Studio literally died for fucking nothing

Welp.
Not gonna bother with another Playstation ever again, I think.

>>714095264
it works for njntendo because they mostly make low budget games that don't need to be ported everywhere to make sure they turn a profit. nintendo can probably pump out 20 games for the cost of concord.

>>714095264
So, what you are saying is that the future of consoles and PCs are the Nintendo Switch 2 and Steam Deck 2 and nothing else?

>>714095425
That sounds like kino ngl

>>714075014
China isn't going to going to be able to do anything about the fact that the underlying idea is retarded. Most especially since it's a PC and phone market already.

>>714095472
Truly kino, baby

I would have bought an xbox eventually if they didn't raise the price. Now I never will.

>>714095425
if microsoft can normalize cloud gaming, it will be a major industry shakeup just because it offers people games without an upfront cost. once people are used to not spending $500 on a console, it will be hard to convince them to do that again. like what happened with music, nobody actually buys cds they buy a spotify sub at most. really the same is true with movies too, people aren't really buying blurays or dvds, they're just streaming instead.

hardcore gamers might keep steam afloat carried by people making ai sloppa and streaming on their pc too, but all consoles will probably go the way of xbox in that scenario.

>>714095425
>So, what you are saying is
No, I'm not saying that you fucking retard, and never even came close to implying it.

>>714095629
Cloud gaming costs too much money, Microsoft will cut that too, there's only one direction for them and you know that direction, a third party publisher. They need to stop fooling around and wasting everyone's time with failed projects and just do that. There is nothing they can do now, it's over.

>>714080960
They tried that already. Even with incentives and freebies, most people ultimately end up just buying dedicated hardware.

It's questionable if the experience is ever going to be good enough to actually get consumer buy-in.

>>714078557
I hate to break it to you but consoles also use silicon and they can only lower prices so much. The next gen of consoles will either be expensive or underpowered (I'm guessing the latter). I'm thinking a $599 PS6 with no disc drive that trades blows with 60-tier cards albeit with more RAM.

>>714095713
Cope, that's the future, Sony and Microsoft were retarded for chasing high-end gaming. Everything is happening as Nintendo and Valve predicted it would.

>>714081756
Wait until he finds out that China also pushes DEI and BR style shit as part of a global demoralization campaign

>>714095425
the market is shifting rapidly towards handhelds and mobile gaming because it's by far the most popular way of consuming vidya. we'll have hybrid consoles at best within the next decade.

>>714074764
nintendo has the handheld market cornered, faggotron

>>714080454
Ah, yes, the Steam Deck that has probably already been outsold by the Switch 2 in less than a month.

>>714095890
Sony trapped themselves, the PS6 MUST be stronger than the PS5 Pro, expect that to cost $900. The PS handheld companion will be stronger than the Xbox Series S and weaker than the PS5 but can natively play SOME PS5 games, not all. That alone due to being able to play PS4 games, being the most powerful handheld, and cloud streaming will most likely cost $700. It's as over for them as it is for Microsoft.

>>714095786
microsoft is trying to be at the forefront of cloud gaming, that's basically their modus operandi for everything they've been doing. their games are everywhere so people will want to play their games when they have their cloud service up. other competing platforms like geforce now would just take over, they're not going to cut back on it yet. game pass will eventually be cloud only, that's the end game. they already having it working on smart tvs and phones, they just need it to be better and for it to catch on. if that occurs, no one is buying consoles ever again other than the vidya equivalent of the people that collect vinyl. normalfags would instantly swap, you know this to be true and they still make up most of the market.

>>714096067

Probably? It was outsold after three days.

>>714096031
We're only going to have Nintendo, Valve, and mobile, the rest will fail and become third parties to them all.

>>714096237
Normalfags will drop gaming and Nintendo and Valve will take over. Normalfags will just play IOS and Google Play games. Microsoft has lost completely, stop shilling them.

>>714096186
>the PS6 MUST be stronger than the PS5 Pro
Not as hard or expensive as you might think. Just having a better CPU and UDNA would be a fat boost over the bottlednecked Pro. That being said $599 is a copium take unless they really skimp on power.

>>714087496
>PC GPU prices are through the roof
We've had MoM GPU price drops and the release of the 9060 XT 16GB at $350. And a 9060 XT outdoes even the PS5 Pro.

>>714074513 (OP)
>They had a good run
no they didnt, 2 good systems (more like 1.5) before falling off a cliff is a pretty sad legacy.

>>714096282
And why do people insist that Nintendo continue making dedicated hardware?

>>714096597

Nintendo insists themselves. Because they want people to buy their hardware to play their exclusive games. Simple strategy.

>>714096417
nintendo either goes cloud only too or dies in this scenario. normalfags aren't going to drop gaming, this would cut the buy in price to a $50 controller instead of a $500 console. normalfags would game more than ever because every device they own becomes a switch. their phone or tablet can play the game right where they left off and they can use any smart tv to play a game.

>>714096237
Xcloud is still ass, tried Indiana Jones because it was a giganigga install and stream bitrate would plummet after like half hour of play, this on a wired gigabit network.

>>714096597
Why can't you just admit that Sony and especially Microsoft fucked up? Are you on Microsoft's paywall, right now or something?

>>714090853
I'm not saying that all non-white/east-asian doctors are shit, I'm just saying that I don't want to take the risk.

>>714096783
Cloud has already failed in gaming, native won, shut up

>>714096845
it depends a lot on how close you are to the nearest hub. geforce now in general is better though.

>>714096942
that's like saying phone gaming will never take off because the ngage failed.

The damage kinect did to Xbox is phenomenal.

>>714096282
nah microsoft will definitely have a presence whether that's through a first party device or 3rd party devices selling windows-based handhelds. valve will have a small share but windows will always be more popular with the masses. and nintendo will obviously have the marketing and mindshare even through they have the most restrictive platform of them all. it leaves questions over what sony's plan will be.

>>714097006
Phone gaming is a different market from console gaming and PC gaming. Cloud needs the internet, it fails out of the gate just for that alone, Xbot.

>>714097026

I'd say it was more the "If you don't have Internet, buy a 360" thing. That was the tipping point.

>>714097190
Nope, costs too much, Steam Deck 2 will take the crown because it will be the most affordable handheld next to the Nintendo Switch 2, again, the future of Microsoft and Sony are third party publishers only.

>>714097219
>Phone gaming is a different market from console gaming and PC gaming.
yet it makes a shit ton more money. if there's more money from making cloud games for casuals, guess what people will make?

>Cloud needs the internet, it fails out of the gate just for that alone,
this isn't the xbox one reveal any more, that's not really an issue. the switch 2 already needs you to use an internet connection to even use it after you turn it out(like the series x) and the majority of switch 2 games also need an online connection to download them even if you buy physical right now. i'm not saying cloud gaming is an eventuality but it is a very likely possibility, it depends on if the market rejects it in a more polished form.

>>714095913
Please practice reading comprehension.

>>714097465
That Switch 2 thing is only for Switch 1 BC, pajeet. Cloud has no future. Google's shitty console failed.

>>714097854
you'll have to forgive the cloud gaming enthusiasts they're all jeets who play games on their phone and can't afford anything else so they REALLY need cloud gaming to be a thing

>>714097752
The thing is, you didn't say it, I did because that's what you're going to get, there is no future for cloud gaming, there is no future for high-end gaming, there is no future for AAA gaming, there is no future where Microsoft and Sony won't become full third parties. This will all happen and there is nothing that can stop it. Whether anyone likes it or not, game industry is condensing.

>>714097854
game key carts exist and the majority of games use them. the days of not needing an internet connection to play games are over because the same is true for some ps5 and xbox games. fuck, ever since sony added that new disc drive even the ps5 requires you to go online once now. at least they got that right for the base model where you could never take your console online and still play games.

>>714091519
That's revenue. If GP were doing 5b/yr in revenue then they would be 87% of total Xbox division, which is obviously not the case. That other guy (>>714088516) lists thre reasons that the Gamepass ASP is far below $15. At $900mm/yr, suggests that Gamepass ASP is around $3, which seems right considering sales, pack-ins, freebies, scamming, etc. For comparison, a _really_good_ videogame will have a lifetime ASP of $15 on a launch price of $60, so handicapping GP ASP from $15->$3 seems reasonable, if a little pessimistic. I'm just taking Xbox CEO's off the cuff remark here, which is neither legally binding nor precise, but he's got no reason to understate Gamepass revenue.

IF we were to isolate Gamepass as a unit from Xbox, you could be generous and consider all content "gifts" from greater Xbox to Gamepass, yet you'd still need the server infrastructure to support Gamepass. $900mm gets you fuck all for large-scale, at-will global infrastructure. Like I pointed out earlier, Netflix pays more than 20 times that.

>>714098061
Everyone knows digital is the future but sorry to burst your bubbles, cloud isn't. Again, it's too expensive and Microsoft is becoming more interested in AI anyway, next is Quantum Computing. Cloud failed.

>>714098061
Yeah, but key cards only require an internet connection to download the game and that's it. Even if it takes hours to download a game, after thst you don't need wifi at all unless it's an online game.

Good fucking luck trying to force cloud gaming to people with a poor internet connection.

>>714092325
>>714091984
Selling an Xbox that can launch Steam is essentially a prebuilt PC. So go look up the prices of prebuilt computers and tells us how much the next Xbox will cost. You're looking for a prebuilt that's above 16GB VRAM. Let's say 24GB VRAM for next gen, so tell everyone in this thread how Microsoft can afford to sell that entire prebuilt PC. What's the price?

>>714098215
digital just leads to cloud gaming so the companies can have full control over everything. getting rid of local files means that piracy dies and you HAVE to get your games from them via their streaming service. it means they fully own their games and consumers truly own nothing. it's the corporate ideal, you're naive if you think that won't be pushed for.

>>714083687
>sell the rights to Sonichu
Kek, that would be cinema.

>>714074513 (OP)
They just dropped out and turned themselves into publishers.

>>714098646
Cloud requires a lot of investments on infrastructure to keep it going, AI is the new hot shit, Microsoft isn't doing the cloud stuff anymore. Only thing that will get their interest is AI. For digital games, you go online to download it once then you can play it offline if it isn't an online-only game.

>>714097465
>the switch 2 already needs you to use an internet connection to even use it after you turn it out(like the series x)
You're wrong about a lot, but especially this. My Switch 2 hasn't been on my wifi since the first day, and that was only to get data transferred over from my Switch OLED. Lie about something that people here don't have first-hand experience with.

this is the moment that killed xbox

revealing the Xbox One needed to connect online to play games, you couldn't trade physical games because it was attached to your console and needed the connect camera to be connect to play that is always on watching and listening during the height of NSA spying fears

they couldn't win back fans after this, even after rolling back some of those things and have been slowly bleeding out since

>>714099048

I really struggle to think of one good thing they did or announced since this.

>>714098930
i don't think they've given up yet, ai can also augment how they deliver those games by reducing the bandwidth and hardware requirements on their end.

>>714099041
the system needs the day 1 update to function, you fucking retard. that's why nintendo didn't send out early units to journos and this is well documented.

the future is mobile games and gacha

>>714080682
Steam Deck isn't exactly a fair comparison because it's including extra hardware like a display, and is limited by handheld heat and power limitations.

I think consoles might be replaced by third party partners, with the first parties providing reference builds and a lightweight OS. Kind of like how GPUs are now.

>>714098570
What's with you illiterate retards? I never said I wanted an xbox that can launch steam. Nobody did. Some PC games require an xbox account and share the xbox live ecosystem with the xbox consoles, but for free. You're either an idiot or you're making shit up intentionally to try to defend the horrible practice of subscription based online multiplayer. Probably both.

>>714099276
I played BOTW without the update before registering my Switch 2. Why lie about something on a board where anyone can know you're wrong?

>>714098570
Modern video game consoles are already essentially prebuilt PCs, but with less features, and they largely cost what people would expect for a console. You really have no idea what you're talking about.

>>714080454
Who the fuck uses the Deck for anything other than gaming? It's decent for some stuff, but I'm willing do bet people who have one also have a PC that can pull it off better.
No one's buying the thing over an actual PC

>>714075014
they already have

>>714100042
because you can play a grand total of 5 fucking games that are fully on cart and are switch 2 only if you don't update it, that botw version you're talking about is the brand new switch 2 one because the switch 1 version won't work without being online once. meanwhile you could put ps4 games into a launch ps5 and have it play without ever going online, you didn't buy something that needed to go online once to do basic functions.

>>714100487
I dunno guy, you're really mad, it was my Switch 1 cart, you're going off about shit for some reason and doing it in front of people that know better. I'm not even going to engage with your broader point that conflates online updating with cloud gaming or whatever. Take a moment to get up and drink some water or walk outside or something.

>>714099276
>i don't think they've given up yet, ai can also augment how they deliver those games by reducing the bandwidth and hardware requirements on their end.
It's pretty much over for cloud gaming

>>714100731
>The Switch 2's ability to play Nintendo Switch 1 games relies on a translation layer that needs the day one update to function.
congrats dude, you went online or you're lying.

>>714096516
>its be sold at lower price than ps5 anon
Anon , please

>>714074764
>The whole idea of dedicated gaming hardware is dying period.
Says who? The xbots and microshaft?

>>714100285
>>714100001
Brain dead stupid motherfuckers. The hypothetical PC Xbox hybrid would be running Windows or a console mode. The PS5 and Switch (plus past consoles) can't just run Steam willy nilly. The point that went over your retarded balding PC fanboy head is the console model is subsidized. While prebuilt PCs, laptops, and portable gaming PCs like the Deck are sold at a profit from day one. You think you're so fucking smart, "consoles are PCs", look at the big brain here. Do consoles need drivers uodates? BIOS updates? Why are consoles and PC port performances so different despite them being the same? Hm? Ever thought about that?

You bumbling imbecile. Microsoft like prebuilt PC OEM would be selling a 24GB VRAM prebuilt hybrid PC next gen at a profit because no one will be subsidizing via Online Paywall subscriptions. You'll be able to pirate. Play Steam. And because of this it is just a prebuilt PC. So what do you think a non subsidized prebuilt console PC will cost that will launch next gen with 24GB VRAM? If your answer is within 999+, that ie correct. And it is insane.

>>714100402
"Amberlamps"?

>>714101283
>The hypothetical PC Xbox hybrid would be running Windows
Then it isn't worth buying

>>714089294
Phones are ok if you literally have no better options available at that current point in time.
>small screen, even with todays humongous phones
Trying to do any serious work will just suck balls. It's suitable for shitposting, scrolling dickdock and casual gaming but not much else. Would you do editing on a smartphone? You're just handicapping yourself for no reason.
>no buttons or pointer input
The lack of proper tactile feedback is a definite minus. Also fiddling with small on screen elements is a pain in the ass. Of course you could make the argument that you could use a controller or a mouse but the screen is still so fucking small that at that point you might as well use a laptop.

>>714074764
We are switching to a subscription economy

Get used to it chud. Just rent the high end PC for a ultra low monthly price

>>714077425
Where did it all go wrong, xbro?

>>714104492
>>714099048

>>714077193
>Switch 2
>games