Thread 714085309

What the fuck was Vavra smoking?
Medieval nobles betrayed each other all the time! Kill him, you idiots! He'd do the same!

t. watched game of thrones once

Medieval nobles in fact did not betray each other all the time. Betrayals were notable precisely because the norm was to keep your word since that was the literal foundation of the society they lived in. It was all oaths and obligations all the way down to the meanest serf. A lord who refuses to abide by his oaths sets an example for everyone beneath him to do the same, and his domain won't long survive it.

i can't speak well on these matters, but wasn't the War of Roses (admittedly it was the late medieval era) notable specifically because of how disgraceful it was that everyone was back stabbing one another and shifting alliances?

>>714085309 (OP)
Real life wasn't anything like Game of Thrones, the nobility did not actually betray each other constantly or do stuff like assassinations.

Being a backstabbing noble means that you need to be prepared to be both free game yourself and on your own because nobody would ever trust you and cooperate with you again unless you are both extremely rich and extremely powerful. Up until the early modern times trust and reputation were really important among all social strata. Try being a medieval peasant who just wanders into a new town without any known social history and local reputation, and see how well you make it.

this confuses the jew who always backstabs his neighbors and sides with the foreign invaders

>What Martin Exaggerates:

>Frequency and density: Real treachery happened, but not with the constant, overlapping frequency that occurs in Game of Thrones.

>Sexual intrigue and sadism: While affairs and scandals existed, Martin amplifies the sexual violence and depravity beyond what most historical sources document.

>Sudden reversals: In history, allegiances were often more calculated and slower to change, not as impulsively fluid as portrayed in the books.

Read the prince
It'll tell you a thing or another managing domain over people and nobels

>>714088246
the prince by who or what bookpublisher id be interested in this

>>714085309 (OP)
>why are blood feuds bad?
btw i didn't play the game because it's objectively mediocre at best

>>714089252
>t.skyrim coomer or worse a souls player

>>714088246
better keep an eye on this one ;)

>>714089152
by niccolo machiavelli
Can't go wrong with penguin
It's a short read (i finished it in 2 days) but very interesting and insightful if you are into all those things

>>714089449
>mind only filled with slop
i'm not surprised

>>714089152
The Prince (Il Principe) by Niccolo Machiavelli
he wrote it based on his experience as a diplomat for the Florentine Republic in the Italian city states era

>>714089252
If you didn't play the game how do you know it's mediocre?

>>714089802
i meant i didn't fully play the first and the second one. i played some of the way too long tutorial of the first game and then quit because it was obvious that the apple was rotten from the core.

the game might be somewhat historical accurate and interesting from that point of view but everything else about it is clunky and unsatisfying. it's like they had a public school make a video game with only their IT staff

>>714090243
Fair enough it's not for everyone

>>714090243
it's called eurojank and it's an artform.

>>714085513
Did you not watch the game intro? The game is set against the backdrop of a civil war.

>>714085309 (OP)
no they didn't
your word during diplomacy or hostage crisis or surrenders or ceasefires is meaningless if people know you as a backstabber who does not honor his word, you want to avoid that

>>714088246
>write a book to get back in the Medici's good graces
>can not help but suck off Cesare Borgia every five seconds, entirely undermining the attempt
Always gives me a giggle everytime I read it.

>>714091839
Medici must've like
>Good shit dwag but you are a fucking snake very venomous one at that..

>>714085670
>>714086069
Romanian medieval and pre-modern history is riddled with betrayals, reneged debts and assassinations.

>>714094605
>medieval and pre-modern
Why are you saying it as if it still isn't? Gyppos are still mostly just criminals.

>>714094605
And that's why it's a third world shit hole.

>>714094968
As is Slovakia or wherever the fuck this is made.