Marvel Rivals fall-off needs to be studied

>>714085772 (OP)
What makes it "fallen off"

ban steam charts threads

>>714085772 (OP)
I assume you have studied it already. What are your conclusions?

Not necessary.
Hero shooters are a dead genre. Even Battle Royale is starting to falter. We're all just waiting for the next shake-up in shooters.

>>714085772 (OP)
>chinese runs game into popular
not really anything new

they left diveniggers too overtuned for too long. just an entire season of getting spawncamped by spiderman and black panther every time i tried to play support. it was fucking exhausting. you were basically forced into playing rocket racoon which sucks. i know the meta has changed since then but the damage was done and i stopped enjoying the game.

>>714085772 (OP)
>snips the lowest part of the peak
I wonder what the OP meant by that

>>714085772 (OP)
It’s repetitive slop that people ate up because of Marvel characters. Carrying retards with Bucky or Hela gets fucking old

>>714085772 (OP)
should've released cool heroes that actual people want to play as to ride the hype instead of wasting like half a year on the fucking fantastic four that suck so much they can't get a single movie off the ground. it would be like if there was a DC Rivals and they spent the first half year releasing the Suicide Squad.

>at tf2 levels a nearly two decade old game
Yikes!

>>714085772 (OP)
Even though it was falling over time, it only got really bad this last season. The answer is, never ever have a poke meta in your game. No one ever likes it, it is consistently the most complained about meta, it is the main meta that causes the most amount of alternate playstyles/characters to be unviable.

>>714085772 (OP)
People got good enough that I couldn't win while gooning to Rocket the whole time. Myself and every other Jeff/Rocket 1 tricker left because of this and cut the support pool down to Luna Snow trannies.
Also something about really bad forced 50/50, and metas that get established, dive/fly, requiring specific heroes to counter really limiting your pick pool while forcing headshots only at higher ELO when you see tripple support shit that won't die otherwise.

But mostly not enough goon time.

>>714085772 (OP)
>Obsessed
>Mindbroken
>Attention Craving

Chinese games are stale. Nothing new.

>people stop playing FOTM
wow what a new phenomenon

>>714085772 (OP)
All games this size have inevitable drop-off, but if you look at the chart you can see different patterns for each major update. You'll always see an initial spike in interest as players see what's new, but what's more interesting is the tail end of each little curve. Version 1.0 wasn't holding steady by the end of the season, while 1.5 and 2.0 had both leveled off and become stable rather than consistently losing players. The player loss is also less and less steep season-to-season.

Until 2.5. A minor increase in interest followed by an uncharacteristically steep decline that hasn't leveled off.

They had two seasons that had a state of balance capable of maintaining a player base and each time they switched it up more of those players abandoned ship. The latest big balance update was clearly received poorly and may have doomed the game in the short term.

If the next update isn't massively popular that will probably be a wrap on Rivals as one of the bigger multiplayer games.

>>714085772 (OP)
Turns out if you fix matches to be one-sided because some players are winning too much people stop playing.

>>714087978
>>714085772 (OP)
forgot the chart

imagine if there were no seasons or updates. there would literally be 5k people playing in 2 months

>>714086135
Buffing supports is where the fall off happened though.

>>714085772 (OP)
>fotm hero shooter sloppa
I see

>marvel
They are one step above the sports, thicc, and gambling demographic. Do sports fans go back and watch classic games from 30 years ago? no. It was a fad and a moment that passes they're all the same shit, the game was shallow and repetitive just like the franchise and people that engage with it. They haven't had a palatable game since Marvel Heroes.

>>714086135
see >>714088050
>>714087978

The data shows that seasons 1.5 and 2.0 (MUH DIVE!) were the healthiest.

Data aside you fucking faggot supports whining is why the game is dying. This is your fault. Fucking all of the supports have ways to deal with dive alone and if you're next to the other support (which you should be) dive could only tickle you and distract you.

I'd ask if you enjoy sitting behind a punisher or an iron man and a mag and spamming m1 but clearly no one does because the game's dying.

Overwatch chads can't stop winning

>>714085772 (OP)
what's to study? it's what people were saying in the beta?
>it's speedrunning every single mistake overwatch made
is something people said some variant of many times. the game is ultimately an overwatch clone with worse gameplay and causing the same problems instead of improving it in any way. the only thing it does better than any other shooter or 5v5 team game is the marvel IP which is the most omnipresent IP in the world.

>>714085772 (OP)
That what happens when you pander to dps mains

>>714085772 (OP)
skill based matchmaking is turned on for Quick Play. Then after you get mandatory 50:50 ratio losses, you get put in bot lobbies.

>>714086135
I thought Spider-man was shit?

>>714085772 (OP)
hmm its almost like when you copy OW and base your entire game and marketing around "hey remember when OW was fun???", you run into the same issues that led OW to its current state lmao. yes it turns out that people dont want to play tank or support most of the time which results in games where your team comp is absolutely fucked, which leads to overbuffing those to roles in order to give players a reason to play those roles, followed by a domino effect of issues that slowly grow overtime.

>not an FPS
>the mmo trinity in a shooter
>50% worst maps ever put in an online game
>cancer characters kits
>unfinished and wildly varying quality kits
>fake ranked mode
>cheap game feel
Just about the only good thing rivals has is the character art and not being overwatch

>>714085772 (OP)
What EOMM does to a motherfucker
Also Bots in quickplay is actually retarded, can you imagine if someshit like dota or valorent forced you to play a mandatory bot match

>>714086056
Halo is still fun but casualization bullshit is ruining it.
Properly match-maid big team battles on good maps is still fun, but they bullshit and "balance" everything and so on.
They try to curate shit too hard.

>>714085772 (OP)
All modern live service games suffer this, they are worth for a few months and then another one come out and they start dying, happened with helldivers, happened with parworld, and happened with other shit that i cant remember because i dont play modern live service shit
They dont care, the developers already got paid and achieved their goals

>>714091667
>50% worst maps ever put in an online game
but they brought us such great maps like gray metal hallway and uh...

>>714085772 (OP)
lmao Dead By Daylight has TWICE as many players as this game people treat like it is league-tier big lmfao

>FOTM needs to be studied

>>714085772 (OP)
did they stop appealing to gooners? I was told the games success was due to sex.

>>714094476
There's a lot of esport money going around right now because of Saudi and middle eastern money so even moreso than usual people are trying to push every game as an esport hoping the prince or a qutari oil trillionaire will throw a $2mill prize pool at something because his nephew likes it. But rivals majorly failed at that too and the Saudis and Emeratis only care about Overwatch as far as arena shooters.

The game also massively flopped in the east, nobody in Korea or China gave a shit, Japan only had variety streamers playing it. The game just has no appeal past casual players.

>>714095110
but...gaming is healing. sex sells. this is what gamers want

outside of the NPCs who log into games like this to do their dailies most people got their fix and moved onto bigger and better games. Single player games will always be the better overall experience.

>>714095229
Yeah that's the other thing, there's never actually been a shortage of games with korean MMO coomer appeal. If you're impressed by women in catsuits you can just play Fortnite or Overwatch or you could just play one of 1000 gacha games where they're 1 pixel off from showing the character's asshole. Not to mention actual h-games that exist even on platforms like steam where you can play Futa Fix Dine and Dash or whatever.

>>714095598
It's almost like sex doesn't save anything from failure

>>714086495
Can someone explain what poke means. I was always under the impression it means damage at a distance, since you have dive and then brawl which are close up damage. Guessing it also means the opposite of burst damage. So is the issue the high ttk now? Overwatch's recent changes have made it poke too then. Rivals seems to have a shitload of sustain tho, way more than overwatch.

>Overwatch will outlive it's Chinese knock-off

>>714096331
Poke is doing damage without committing to a full team fight basically. The idea on a macro gameplay level is to try and burn their resources before fully engaging. While dive and rush you're committing to engaging.

It's really tedious while also requiring the least amount of coordination but also 1 person fucking up can make your whole team fall apart. So it's really not fun for anyone except maybe a sniper one trick who gets to just sit back and never be in danger aside from the other sniper.

Will Jean save the game in season 3?

>>714094476
Dead by Daylight is garbage though. Who cares if people are playing it.

>>714088469
>Reddit is filled with support players whining
We should never listen to healslut trannies and women who can't be bothered to learn aiming in a SHOOTER game.

Sincerely, a support and tank main.

>>714096331
Poke means ranged damage, often high burst/1 shots like snipers. It's problematic because if poke is meta, it's usually because those ranged characters are overtuned in someway, or there's some factor that is making it so their counter play (like dive) isn't properly shutting them down. Poke is especially bad because there are a lot of characters that can't fight at range and only really do damage upclose (for instance, the entire tank class) so when poke is meta and played every game if you are a DPS you have to mirror them and have a sniping match and if you're tanking you have to literally be a punching bag that can't fight back.

Support ults ruined the game, just turns into a "I can't die button"

>>714088469
>the season that came first was more popular than the one that came after it.
>i will avoid other circumstances and claim the first meta was the healthiest because it had the most players and then say the players that disagree with me were people i don't like.
retards like you shouldn't be allowed to interpret data.
it doesn't matter which meta was the "healthiest", the game has been bleeding players nonstop and NO update has done anything to help. every update was a temporary spike and then a return to the constant decline.

>>714086437
Tf2 is mostly bots

What's there to study? This basically happens to nigh-on every one of these "hype" games that don't actually have anything unique or special going for them, doesn't it?

>>714098568
If these trends continue Rivals will have zero players soon.

>>714085772 (OP)
We perfected the class based FPS genre 20 years ago. Fast forward to today devs don't know how to make 'em anymore.
What happened ?

>>714099183
it's an overwatch clone made by the worst devs in china who have a worse reputation than EA and hi-rez do here in their home country

Are you supposed to play every game you ever start until the heat death of the universe?

Proportional to the time you've been alive, have it ever occurred to you that it's okay to quit a game once you've had your fill of playing it?

>>714099349
Mindbroken by live service games. Zoomers feel "invested" in their games because they literally spent too much money to quit. So they feel threatened whenever their investments lose value(fewer players).