Do we believe them, bros? I can't tell if this is honest or just "lol sorry we got caught using AIsloppa, we'll try to be sneakier next time"

>We remain committed to transparency
>The two things they mention they used AI for are the two things they were blatantly caught for a week ago
Sucks cause I like these devs and this game looks very soulful, but I think they're full of shit

I made a thread on Steam saying that people should be allowed to refund this game no matter what because it uses AI without having disclosed it on Steam
Thread got deleted
For what it's worth, though, I didn't get banned

>>714106641 (OP)
hate to say it but this is just damage control

I have anti-AI fatigue

Lying pole scum
The only 11bitstudio games on my steam library will remain This War of Mine, Frostpunk and Frostpunk 2

>>714106641 (OP)
>this was an isolated case
I call bullshit; I'd have an easier time believing them if they stated they found other instances of it

>>714106835
>I am a whiny fag and my thread was deleted

>>714106756
Fippy bippy
Smart frogposter

>>714107498
>NOOOOOOO EAT THE SLOP

>>714106756
>reddit frog
Way to make me ignore what you say

>>714106641 (OP)
>>714106756
Another reason I don't trust them is people were bitching about this to them for a week but they only had a response a day after Eurogamer made an article about it and actually got eyes on it. They'd have skated by without saying anything if they thought they could get away with it.

>>714106641 (OP)
These cringy AI reactionaries need to die.
I don't give a fuck it's made by AI or AI was used in any way if the quality is right.
I prefer it actually. That's the entire fucking point of having technology.

>>714106927
Personally, i have anti-fantti-video-game fatigue.

>>714106641 (OP)
What they're saying
>oh nooo it was an accident
>oh nooo a third party let us down
>we're soo committed to blah blah blah

What they should be saying
>fuck you, we use whatever tools we want in order to finish the game, if you don't like AI generated assets then you can go cry

>>714106641 (OP)
if I work for this company I can just do whatever I want in public without oversight? is that what he is saying because I’m not reading it

>accidental
what retards believes there's anything accidental?

>>714107835
Brainlet take from a brainlet
>YASSSS QUEEN LET THE KIKES CUT CORNERS AND ENSLOPPIFY VIDYA EVEN MORE

> Wall of text
Don't care didn't ask not playing garbage.

>>714107968
>We love to cut corners when we can by doing proomptshit and if you have a problem with that, suck my dick!!! -le based and redpilled gamer
Seems like a bad strategy if you're trying to convince people that you're making a soulful product that should be bought.

>>714107636
you were the one that bought it lol

>>714107835
Then just disclose it, as required by Steam guidelines, and move on.

> But third party...
It's your responsibility to hold your suppliers to the same standards you'll be held.

>>714107968
Maybe soon we'll live in your dystopia where gamers are good little piggies that happily eat AIslop at the trough but that's not the reality we live in right now

>>714107968
First of all, fuck you.
Second, there is a small problem that they can't copyright AI-gen assets. That much, at least, has been established in court. If they AI-genned enough stuff, there's a point where you could argue that they don't hold the copyright on the game at all. No company wants to be the one to fuck that one up.

>>714107968
Based

>>714106641 (OP)
I don't get anti-AI hate. I get that it's now shilled everywhere and it's annoying but if it's just some textures or flavor text nobody cares about anyway then I don't see the problem. That said they really fucked up, I should not be able to tell that something is AI, leaving an obvious ChatGPT response is next level incompetence.

>>714108043
learn to read, nigger. it's not slop if the quality is the same or better.
either AI produces assets that are already better or a human uses AI-assisted tools to achieve those results.
either way, if the quality is the same or better they should use AI.
people who argue otherwise are having a knee-jerk reaction because they feel threatened by AI and are too lazy to adapt.

in 100 years things are not going to be done the same way they are today.
that's a nobrainer and nobody would argue otherwise.
but when things change in the here and now people throw a hissy fit. stop being lazy.

>>714108370
>there is a small problem that they can't copyright AI-gen assets.
This isn't true nor is it a problem even if it were. You people are so low IQ.

>>714106641 (OP)
Like Marathon accidentally stealing art assets?

>>714106641 (OP)
>>714107968
This. As long as the creation of the tools and their application follow general ethical guidelines. For example, no child labor involved. The work should be judged by the outcome, not by the creative process. AI allows indie studios to quickly generate both placeholder and final assets and become more competitive players on a global marked dominated by mega corps. TLDR judge a tool by its application.

>>714106927
ok then kill yourself?

>>714108443
In a vacuum, there's nothing wrong with this game, but my anti-AI hate is strong that I will never buy this game or a game from this studio ever again (Despite owning 3 games from them, I like these guys).

It's not cause AIfags are annoying. It's not cause muh jobs. It's not cause of environmental issues. It's not even because of plagiarism. (Though all of those reasons have varying levels of validity, especially the plagiarism part)

It's because you give an inch and they take a mile. Letting games get away with AIslop means that it becomes a competitive advantage to use AIslop. All devs start using AIslop. The industry gets noticeably worse as a result. Right now they're trying to sneak it by people, but the more gamers uncritically accept this shit, the less of a need they'll feel to hide it. Low effort will become more and more apparent. This was already obvious with shit like procedural generation and unreal assets, for example, and those are a million times less harmful to gaming than AI.

I am simply not supporting the slop. Simple as.

>>714108737
>MY SALE MATTERS
>MUH MORALS
>RULES NOT TOOLS
you're so funny

>>714108032
It was not accidental. It was whomever was in charge of those assets. There is 100% one lazy employee who decided to cut corners. Probably some zoomer since they are the faggots that use AI in college already.

>>714108687
>For example, no child labor involved.
If things that have intelligence are considered alive then artifical intelligence is a child.

>>714108687
> Use Chatgpt to generate text
> It's obvious garbage
> Players judge you by this outcome
> REEEE

>>714108032
As much as people believed marathon when they stole an entire artstyle with all art of it and claimed it was on accident and nobody at bungie knew about it (while key directors and hire ups follow said person they stole from)
Its just corpo speak to avoid lawsuits

>Lol, I hate conservatives
>NOOO, no AI in my games!

>>714108443
AI hate is the easiest way to tell if the anon you're talking to is from reddit or not. Its 'the current thing' and predditors have jumped onto it like its the last bandwagon they'll ever see. They have no real moral convictions when it comes to AI hate, no ability to actually spot AI generated content, and they're all unemployed losers who have nothing to actually gain from AI hate. But still they'll bitch and moan here, on reddit, on twitter, and on bluesky about how evil and satanic and soulless AI is. Just ignore them and watch the world move on without them.

>>714108919
Also whomever was doing Q&A clearly aslo did not do his job since he did not tell that there were AI assets in the game or did not notice them.
>most Q&A is outsorced to pajeets
No wonder AI went unnoticed.
>asset creation was probably some zoomer intern
Yep. Lazy zoomer used AI instead of doing the work properly and instead ket watching tik tok on his phone.

>>714108886
>MY SALE MATTERS
It matters the same as my vote matters. I'm merely one voice. That's part of why I'm expressing why I hate AI, so that maybe, just maybe, I might convince at least one other person that supporting AI is a bad thing. That way, I'd be doubling my output!
>MUH MORALS
Were you seething so hard you didn't even read the post? I'm explicitly speaking from a consoomer point of view. I do not want to pay for AIslop. I do not want to eat the AIslop. I do not want to reward the industry when they produce AIslop.
>RULES NOT TOOLS
CGI is a tool and if I had any power to stop it in the 2000s, I would have. They made Cinema much worse. The idea that tools are inherently good is silly.

>>714108558
ai can also help in so many other places, actually coding the game being the obvious
but it could also help in quickly recreating in-game objects from real life scans or generating the game world, texturing background stuff like walls or roads so it looks more lively
and then theres obviously the ai controlled npcs but we're far from that still

Its morally justifiable to hate jeets ruining video games. They tried to do the same thing years ago with NFTs and they're doing the same thing now with AI assets.

>>714108570
Nope.

www.techtarget.com/searchcontentmanagement/answer/Is-AI-generated-content-copyrighted
>Thus far, the Copyright Office, in line with existing case law, has explained that for a work to be afforded copyright protection in the U.S., it must have a human author. Yet, Siegel said he is not sure what that means in the world of AI.

>"If the only human involvement is the input of a chat prompt into ChatGPT, for example, one cannot obtain copyright protection for the raw result of that prompt," he said.

>On the other hand, if a user inputs a prompt into an AI tool, gets a response and then modifies the result in creative ways, that can potentially result in content afforded copyright protection. However, only human-authored parts of the work can be copyrighted.

>>714108558
The big issue is can it or can those who use it produce the same or better assets? There's already extreme cost cutting in the industry do you really want some pajeets to make the assets or ChatGPT to write the dialogue? You think this will allow for efficiency gains in the process of making games but you end up with even sloppier slop because modern devs are notoriously lazy

>oh haha we got caught, trust us it totally was an accident!
>we don't set the prices... our publishers do!
>we could have made a good game but.. publishers reasons are why its bad!

how many times are developer lies accepted as fact before being called out? so tired of this bull shit every time
yeah bro, publishers totally told the DAV team to have a forced coming out party for a angry entitled tranny talking about their preferred pronouns, totally not your mentally ill PR hired dev team members

>>714109159
Been on 4chan since 07. Only time I have used reddit is when I created an account to go ask some troublefixing question. Haven't been able to do that in years cause they have a really anal account creating and verification system now. I hate that forums died.
>They have no real moral convictions when it comes to AI hate
The moral convictions are minor to the actual issue which is that I as a consumer don't want to eat slop.
>no ability to actually spot AI generated content
Irrelevant. The more AIslop prevails, the less reason AI has to hide itself. It's an accumulative effect.
>and they're all unemployed losers who have nothing to actually gain from AI hate
I am not gonna be affected by the AI at my job anytime soon, no, which is all the more reason why this is merely a concern because I don't want to eat slop and want the industry to produce high quality games.
>Just ignore them and watch the world move on without them.
You're not wrong that this is what will likely happen. Just like how gamers took it up the ass with horse armor and now we live in the kike era of gaming. That doesn't mean I, individually, am gonna take it.

>>714109375
A jeet using AI to make something will produce slop 100% of the time. I can tell you from working with many AI tools for code generation professionally, it is very easy to spot someone who purely relied on AI when reviewing their work. It's absolute garbage. That said, it can also be used to save a fuck ton of time if you know what you're doing and you don't trust it ever. Of course, it will get better. AI isn't going anywhere. For selfish reasons, I'd like it to remain an enabler and not a replacer but that's probably unlikely in a decade or two.

>10k words out of 3.4 million across all languages in the game, or just 0.3% of the overall text.
"AI is so good now you won't even notice when devs are using it"
-Ranjesh

Nothing more embarrassing than AI apologists on /v/. Contrarianism for contrarianism's sake.

>>714109159
AI on youtube and social media needs to be fucking stopped, I was watching a historical video and noticed the voice was excessively monotone and there were actual errors in what was presented. Then there is the issue of that content simply poluting the platforms with bullshit information and misrepresentation. I hate when they use AI to make illustrations too, there is so much shit you can draw from, you could have used an actual greek vase but no you had to use this innacurate slop with people with mangled faces in the background. Fucking instantly unsubscribe.

>>714109159
The less AI is hated the more like open borders it is letting in the filth and allowing it to spread.
The floodgates are already open but we can still attempt to dampen it.

>>714109318
yeah, I'm a software developer and I use AI all the time for things I would otherwise have to google.
I don't feel threatened by it, mostly because I can see its limitations and it's nowhere close to doing all my work.
but even if it could replace me completely, tough shit. I'm not going to demand my job be maintained just for my own personal gain even a machine can do it better.
>>714109375
if the quality is bad, you judge the game based on that. same as before.
in many cases the quality will be bad. but those might also be cases where the game wouldn't exist in the first place if the devs didn't have access to AI.

>>714110369
That's just short term thinking.
>AIslop prevails
>Quality is "good enough"
>Games of lower (but """good enough""") quality can be shat out faster
>Everyone does this because why the fuck wouldn't you?
>Industry has an even bigger collapse of quality than it did in between 2005 and 2025

So, no. I'm not paying a single cent for AIslop unless I'm fooled into doing it.

Most likely they hired a pajeet and pajeets use AI to cut corners. This is why hiring jeets is always a bad idea because of shit like this.

>>714110041
it's not contrarianism. you feel that way because you're in a reactionary bubble.

>>714106927
It's always some tranny screeching because they think it will put deviantart "artists", and wannabe trannylators and voice actors out of work they'll never have anyway

If only leftists cared half as much about not letting illegals into their country as they do about not letting AI into a digital entertainment product

>>714106641 (OP)
Besides their hatred of indians, why does /v/ hate AI?
We're not getting AI GF cyborgs without it.

>>714110041
I don't get this, is this per capita?
What the fuck is "% of consumers"?

>>714110369
Do we really need more shit to be made? The industry is already oversaturated because everyone is a gamedev and now they don't even need to code or do the art or the audio. Really, what's gonna come out of this? Some idea guy will make the best game ever?

>>714109159
I despise AI because it makes devs' jobs easier and I want them to suffer as much as possible, but this anon is correct

>>714110905
If it doesn't says per capita, you can safely assume its not per capita, and you'll be right.

>>714110904
Read the thread. Already been explained at length.

>>714109260
You aren't stopping the paradigm shift towards AI no matter how much you cope and seethe. You're clearly a fan of the company, you'd probably like this game, and you've given money to them in the past so it's just funny to me seeing you act this way.
>Were you seething so hard you didn't even read the post? I'm explicitly speaking from a consoomer point of view. I do not want to pay for AIslop. I do not want to eat the AIslop. I do not want to reward the industry when they produce AIslop.
Translation:
>MUH MORALS

>>714110904
Because most of what is produced with AI is slop. Because it's everywhere on the internet. Because techbros and companies are insuferable about it. It should only be used for gooning with Stable Diffusion and SillyTavern.

>>714109370
https://petapixel.com/2025/02/12/this-is-the-first-ever-ai-image-to-be-granted-copyright-protection-a-slice-of-american-cheese/
The work this guy put in is standard for almost the majority of AI art.
You are retarded and so were the copyright stooges that didn't understand what a prompt really was.

>>714111257
>You're clearly a fan of the company, you'd probably like this game, and you've given money to them in the past so it's just funny to me seeing you act this way.
Yeah, and now I'm no longer paying money for their games because when the industry becomes sloppier, I will not have been even slightly responsible. Same way I have never paid for an Early Access game.
>Translation: >MUH MORALS
No, you're retarded, I'm afraid. There is nothing moral about "I want to play good toys and don't want the toys to get worse" lol
It's purely selfish thinking

>e-eat the slop it'll make trannies seethe
Not falling for it curry niggers

>>714106641 (OP)
anyone with half a brain should be able to make the association that game studios utilizing unreal engine 5 just want quick results. no surprise they abused the fuck out of AI.

slop this slop that as if non ai crap being put out by the west isnt slop

>>714111394
>they're worse because of muh feelings
You are a retarded moralfag.

>>714111257
>You aren't stopping the paradigm shift towards AI no matter how much you cope and seethe.
"if there was no hope their propaganda wouldnt be necessary"
not falling for it rajeesh

>>714111340
Yes, because everything wasn't slop before.
How was that new Dragon Age by the way.

>>714111060
We don't "need" anything. It's "just" entertainment after all.
But is there still tons of shit that could be made? Yes, the opportunities are endless.
So instead of worrying how AI will make it easier to create slop, think about how AI can enable good studios to create an even richer experience.
Just spitballing, imagine if you had a GTA where the map is literally the entire world.
That's not even remotely possible right now, but theoretically it's not impossible. AI can help us get there.

>>714106641 (OP)
i'd have more respect for them if they were actually transparent and said yeah we used AI, it was an oversight to not read the outputs after copypasting it.

>>714111462
Not what I said or implied at any point. Not a remotely valid interpretation of anything I have ever said. Read >>714108737 more carefully, jeet.

>>714111060
Why don't you want more video games? That means there will be more chances of good video games. And more devs means more ideas too.

>>714109015
Being a liberal doesn't mean you have to embrace literally every single new thing, retard-kun. Just because something isn't traditional or conservative does not mean it automatically has worth.

>>714106641 (OP)
Get fukt sloppa saars

>>714108043
The individual who believes it is a good idea to make the protagonist from the previous game a faggot who fights against racism and anti-Semitism has something to say. Let us all listen! LOL!

>>714111532
>imagine if you had a GTA where the map is literally the entire world.
nobody cares about having half baked endless content.i care about curated and handmade content that make my experience fun and worth having.stay salty

>>714111526
Terrible, but not slop. Learn the difference. People TRIED. People really fucking TRIED to make Veilguard as fucking awful as it was. It's a majestic, beautiful, incomprehensibly stupid thing.
If you can't comprehend that, then we'll never be on the same page.

>>714111729
he's a faggot but he is right

>>714111654
>Being a liberal doesn't mean you have to embrace literally every single new thing, retard-kun
Yeah just the destructive horrible stupid things

>>714111532
>Just spitballing, imagine if you had a GTA where the map is literally the entire world.
See, that's exactly why idea guys will never make a good game. They propose the dumbest shit.

>>714111750
Yeah but you see...
I'm non-binary.

>accidentally click on a vidya thread
should i backlog alters or is it woke?

>>714111532
This is the average AIjeet mentality. Open world sloppa but even more soulless.

>>714111747
>nobody cares about having half baked endless content
Not him but you're completely wrong. And that's just one simple example that you're rejecting because you're a dumbass. Any kind of game that is theoretically possible can be made with sufficient technological progress or effort but without AI, the majority of these projects are never going to exist. With AI? Even your dream game can be a reality.

Also I mean your actual dream game and not some indie shit that indie shitters profess as their dream games.

>>714107968
>>fuck you, we use whatever tools we want in order to finish the game, if you don't like AI generated assets then you can go cry

That's literally what they're saying in corpospeak.

>>714108043
It's a PURE cohencidence that the person you referenced defending use of AI just got done releasing a game where the plot inexplicably surrounded defending Jews during and after a pogrom. Really makes you think!

>>714111230
I don't understand it then because the percentages add up to more than 100%.
And if it's not per capita then it's not surprising that the world's most populous country (1.46 of the world's 8.2 billion) uses more AI than other countries. If anything I'm more surprised by fucking Morocco.

>>714111889
I hope to god you're a jeet because white hands typing this post is utterly embarrassing.

>>714111902
Everyone who is intelligent agrees with what he said there though. Carmack, Tim, Gaben even.

>>714111518
what propaganda? more and more people use ai because its just that convenient. thats like saying there was a propaganda for steam or even iphones. People just use them because they make their lifes easier and you cant stop that

>>714107968
Ah yes, because insulting your customer base works so well in vidya, amirite?

>>714111729
>>714111902
Uuuuuh guys... My point is that AI sucks. That tweet sucks and is made by a retard. I'm aware. You do realize you're agreeing with me, right?

>>714111747
>half baked
says who? you just made that up.
>i care about curated and handmade content that make my experience fun
no, you don't because you can't even tell the difference unless someone tells you it was made by AI.
a professional using AI can make more content than he could before with the same quality.
>stay salty
I think it's pretty obvious who is salty in this whole AI controversy and it's not the people using AI.

>>714111823
You are laughably retarded. Why did Star Citizen make so much money?

>>714111518
What propaganda?

>>714111532
open world games are shit as they are already.
Why the fuck would I ever want a game that's the size of the Earth? you'd never be able to finish it and it be boring as fuck because it be too big.
I fucking hate you cunts you make vidya worse.

>>714111781
No, he's not right.
The future isn't games as they are made today, but with AI-generated garbage because the devs are lazy. The future is totally new forms of entertainment that haven't even been discovered yet. Your AI entertainment at the end of a day's work will be participating in a real-time adventure with Hermione or any other movie character of your choice, and making her suck your dick when you get tired of following the script.
Cuckvávra doesn't understand this because he's not a visionary, he's just a cuckold who thinks it's important to make his pre-established protagonist kiss his best male friend on the mouth while fighting racism and anti-Semitism, because he's just a mediocre artist stuck in his gay era.

>AI helps code games
Explains why not a single game releasing nowadays is optimized or works properly
>It helps game devs focus less time on art
What do they focus on then if they just outsourced 2 of the major points of a game to a jeet chatting with a bot?
>ChatGPT helps create stor-

And then they ask $80 for it

>>714110369
>if the quality is bad, you judge the game based on that. same as before.
Yes, and the problem is that the entire industry is now worse, since all major actors and most minor ones have adopted substandard practices dragging everyone down in the process.

>>714111974
I respect the shit out of Carmack and acknowledge that he did great shit for vidya, but ultimately he's a code-obsessed guy. He was also obsessed with VR and I saw that as a worthless meme from a mile away. This time around he's spending his time on AIslop and it doesn't change the fact that AIslop harms vidya and makes it worse.

If he succeeds at all in creating vidya and his efforts don't flop as badly as his VR efforts did, then every game released in 2040 will make Rage look like a masterpiece lol

>>714111823
>>714111876
it's an off-the-cuff example of things that are impossible right now but will be possible with increased productivity.
maybe try to think about an argument in good faith instead of letting your knee-jerk reaction control you.
in a 100 years games will not be on the same level they are today. come on, you know that.

>>714109159
>You are le reddit and I am le 4chan
Another classic from the shill playbook

>>714112041
Yes, I was agreeing with what you said, just adding in that it's transparent happy merchant behavior on his part

>>714112185
VR isn't a worthless meme you're just a loser who hasn't tried it and you're mentally challenged if you don't see the value in AI.

>>714110905
>in select markets
the indian market, the german market ect.
they surveyed a bunch of people asking questions like
>are you aware of chatgpt
>do you use chatgpt

>>714112263
lol

>>714110904
I don't hate AI stuff inherently, is just hate the cheap and lazy slop most of the AI stuff I see is, and I especially hate the obnoxious fucking AI evangelists trying to stir up their culture war shit in every fucking opportunity.

My personal experience with the AI stuff has given me the general vibe of "this is way too overhyped of a technology." I've fucked around and experimented with the AI stuff and found the most useful application of it, at least when it comes to the LLMs to use them as basically a slave secretary, and have it clean up my own autismal ramblings into more coherent and structured paraghraphs, while also keeping it on a tight leash so it won't ad bullshit hallucinations to anything. And even this I just do to make it easier for me keep a track of my shit for my projects etc.

For anything creative, the AI stuff is honestly rather worthless to me. I can draw myself, and I enjoy drawing, so there is basically nothing I got out of the image generators besides the momentary novelty, any attempt at using them to depict my own stuff was just poor and rather off putting to me. As for using the LLMs to write more narrative stuff, while at first there was some novelty to it, I again, became rather off put by it as I started to recognize the patterns via which the standard chat gpt models write shit. Once the novelty and amusement of those experiments was gone, I went back to using the model as my little slave secretary. The byproduct of those experiments is however that I can kinda recognize AI generated text to a degree these days, as they tend to have this obnoxious, flowery and rather femine way of writing shit that becomes very recognizable once you start noticing it.

>>714112313
You are genuinely a pathetic loser with a low IQ lol. You have no friends or family that likes you, you will never have a VR party with them, and everyone will be using AI while you rage in the corner while Carmack literally laughs at you in particular.

>>714112263

>>714112343
>I don't hate AI stuff inherently
>writes a blog seething about it
ok

>>714112343
So for AI, we're the Anti-Woke this time around?
Didn't see that coming.

>>714112056
>no, you don't because you can't even tell the difference unless someone tells you it was made by AI.
Lmfaooo please tell me you actually believe this I need to laugh even harder

>>714111596
I unironically believe the best games have already been made and it's all downhill from now on. I would be perfectly fine if no new games ever get release. Sure the occasional Elden Ring gets made but that's a massive effort that requires a large studio and millions of dollars. AI is not really gonna be helping with that beyond some textures. So yeah, games made with AI by 2 guys are probably not be very good.

>>714112479
>I unironically believe the best games have already been made
So you have no imagination at all? That's ... sad. Holy shit.
Can you name your top 10? I'm genuinely curious.

>>714112464
No, AIjeets are very much trying to push the idea that only tranny leftists hate AIslop. And they have wedged a decent part of /v/ and 4chan at large into believing this.
So you're on the "woke" side for not wanting vidya to get worse and sloppier.

>>714112538
Name 1 good "ai" game

>>714112090
>you'd never be able to finish it and it be boring as fuck
you didn't even understand what I said. that would only be the case with today's productivity level.
if our productiviy increases 100x in the future it will be possible to do things that aren't possible today.
>>714112167
AI has barely made an impact on the industry, so what you're alluding to is not related to AI.
if the consumers make slop financially feasible they'll get slop, whether it was made by AI or not.

>>714112451
Reread my post again, retard.

>>714112464
The fuck are you talking about? How does wokism or whatever the fuck have anything to do with this topic?

reminder that most games from the last few years already had significant amounts of their code made by ai and you dont call that slop

>>714106756
>they use AI, therefore they’re evil
Anti-AI Atheists are a cult, prove me wrong,

>>714106641 (OP)
Problem with using AI to write notes or create any meaningful content beyond basic tree leaf textures is that once people realize logs were written by ChatGPT, they stop collecting secrets and reading logs entirely.

>>714112581
Don't be an asshole and cop out. I'm genuinely wondering how you can possibly think the best games that will ever exist already do and I want to understand your tastes better than simply brushing you off as a from drone.

>>714112276
Ah it's a survey.
That makes sense, because if 45% of all Indians actually used ChatGPT that would be about 750 million which is a lot more than the stated weekly usage.

>>714112686
Not a single one? Why would anyone give a shit about what you say now

>>714106641 (OP)
Never heard of it, but you dumb fucks should learn to differentiate AI from AI-generated assets.

>>714112635
>if our productiviy increases 100x in the future it will be possible to do things that aren't possible today.
It will be more like over 9000x when you can just prompt video game assets.

>>714108292
I’m just not gonna disclose it is all, sorry ugh I know, I’m just not gonna do it lmao

>>714112670
I can't fathom letting an AI write fucking any lore for an actual setting given the fact that the AI's will just hallcinate wildly inconsistent and retarded shit if they are not curated and controlled so tightly that you might as well just write the shit you want yourself.

>>714112558
>AIjeets are very much trying to push the idea that only tranny leftists hate AIslop
This. It's a classic shill tactic to associate an opinion they don't want you to have with something that you already hate. By the way both sides of the political spectrum do this
>Oh you like X? Well, X is fascist so you're a bad person for liking X
>Oh you like X? Well, X is communist so you're a bad person for liking X
Once you learn to recognize it you're gonna see it everywhere.

>>714110041
>>714112721
When you do a bit of math it shows that pajeets don't use it as much as first world countries.

>>714112721
Want another fun fact? 60% of india has yet to get on the internet. Its only going to get worse from now on

>>714112857
It is pure brainrot thinking and unforuntately most people are too stupid to see past it.

>>714112729
>Not a single one?
The technology just came out like 3 years ago my dude. That being said probably every new release has it now.

>>714112810
>the AI's will just hallcinate wildly inconsistent and retarded shit
So it will be like a Souls game? Based.

>>714112810
cope, ai is pretty much indistinguishable at this point
some guy in china made a book entirely with ai and it won in a fucking competition before he was found out

>>714112472
you can only spot AI slop if it was made by someone who's incompetent or lazy.
when a professional uses AI he makes sure that the result is up to standard which usually involves manual corrections.
your position is illogical. it's the same type of logic that people who demonize Unity use.
they only see the Unity logo in slop that doesn't make enough money for a professional license, so they associate Unity with slop.

>>714111974
>intelligent
weird way to spell greedy, but you can't be that stupid, can you?

>>714113050
>maybe if I swap one word for a random word that will strengthen my lost argument

>>714112810
>>714112984
AI can create very "official" sounding text easily like fraudulent science reports. But it sucks at writing personal notes because it tries to write them like science essays.

>>714112635
>AI has barely made an impact on the industry, so what you're alluding to is not related to AI.
No shit, your argument is that the normalization of use of AI is fine because we will still judge things as before. My point is that it's a faulty argument. The reason the industry fucking sucks ass today is because it went ahead and normalized practices that are injurious to consumers if not by their nature then near so. There are FAR fewer benetis to the mass adoption of AI in gaming than there are risks, and it's incredibly foolish to handwave them away under the guise of curation.

>>714112056
>no, you don't because you can't even tell the difference unless someone tells you it was made by AI.
KEK have this you on the house
>>714112060
>>714111984
>What propaganda?
Propaganda is the dissemination of informatio,facts, arguments, rumours, half-truths, or lies to influence public opinion.
you have been doing this since day 1,making strawmen all day long to influence people to join your side
"omg the artist are all trannoids!omg the artist are evil,greedy and and entitled","they should totally lose their job because of this"
get fucked

>>714112921
>>714112558
Well said ledditors.
Updoots

>>714112228
>in a 100 years games will not be on the same level they are today. come on, you know that.
Video games will always be the same. What will happen is that new forms of entertainment will emerge. The current idea that AI will "revolutionize" video games because you can generate textures or even 3D models from prompts is extremely naive because AIs can generate the entire experience from scratch, to begin with.
In 30 years, normalfags, instead of playing a video game in their spare time, will interact with photorealistic video generation in real time, like a lucid dream where they have total control over what is happening. Video games will not be able to compete for normalfags' time when they have an audio-visual product generator in their hands.
These desperate devs trying to use AI to create textures because they no longer have any talent or creative power will be replaced anyway, because with or without AI, they won't have an audience.

>>714112886
That makes sense if what >>714112901 said is true.
That sounds terrifying btw.

>>714113168
>"omg the artist are all trannoids!omg the artist are evil,greedy and and entitled","they should totally lose their job because of this"
these are merely observations seen thousands of times

>>714113208
Most of those 40% don't even shitpost on the english internet, they have their own websites using their own languages.

>>714113215
Now why are you not observing that not wanting AIslop in vidya isn't a leftist position? Is being against Early Access and microtransactions leftist too?

>>714106927
Pay an AI to worth about it in your place

>used it intentionally
>accidental
aitrannies are always the slimiest, most dishonest rats.

>>714113215
yes good goy merely observations that never appeared on 4chan before totally a coincidence

>>714106641 (OP)
i dont know what deal is but holy fuck what sissy devs just admit you used ai and dont care and they dont hold any power over you

>>714113045
Show me a piece of AI work that cannot be spotted you describe.

>>714113215
>the artist are evil,greedy and and entitled","they should totally lose their job because of this"
Are you unironically defending degenerate internet artists?

>>714112984
Have you actually fucking tried to use AI for worldbuilding? Do you speak from actual experience or are you just spouting bs you want to be true. Because from the experiments I have done with the LLMs, it became very apparent to me quite fucking fast that if you do not keep the fucking thing in check and curate the fuck out of everything it spews out, the end results of the lore it spews out becomes extremely inconsistent because the AI lacks any real wider understanding of fucking anything it does.

LLM's already, by default, make shit up and hallucinate all the time, even when you try to tell them to stick to actual real world facts. In the process of generating shit for a fictional world or narrative, the amount of shit the AI can just make up and ad that goes completely tonally against the stuff you are trying to accomplish or what goes against the established lore of the setting goes trough the fucking roof. Which is why I said that you have to basically babysit the thing to a point where you might as well just write the stuff yourself anyways.

And btw, AI writing is very recognizable, at least stuff that comes from the bigger LLMs because most people do not bother to tell their AI's to write their stuff in different styles than what they spew out by the default.

>>714106641 (OP)
Nigger Im not gonna read your AI generated apology

>>714113421
>you describe
ESL spotted

>>714113309
why are you being a schizo making a delirious argument? the vast majority of AI hate is coming from literal communist useful idiots.

>>714113362
>>714113431
>schizobabble

>>714112538
>RE4 OG
>Dark Souls
>MGS 3
>Xenoblade Chronicles
>Pokemon Gen 4
>Metroid Prime
>Starcraft
>Persona 5: Royal
>Ratchet & Clank 1
>Witcher 3

On top of my head tried to be pick different genres, inb4 they're all shit

>>714113431
No, brainlet, he explained what he meant pretty well here: >>714112857
I don't care how many trannies, furries and other types of faggots are against AI. It doesn't make AI any better. Supporting shit to piss other people off is retarded. I'm not interested in vidya becoming worse just for the sake of trannies crying.

a.i fags are so weird.
They don't put any effort into anything but get really mad when you tell them they made lazy slop
Like why would you get defensive about shit you didn't put anytime into anyways?

>oh no why did you just generate assets with an AI in 30 minutes rather than paying an artist thousands of dollars?????
>STOP KILLING GAME DEVS

>>714113603
For some reason a lot of AI shills just see to have this bitter resentment towards artists in general.

>>714113293

>>714112984
>google story
>obvious industry plant bullshit designed to generate hype like that time grading companies were shilling stories about super mario bros selling for millions
How do you retards keep falling for this shit

>>714113567
Nothing I said was remotely ESL, are you a complete imbecile?

>>714113585
And you think those games couldn't be improved at all, let alone tremendously?
Really?

I wasn't asking just to "they'reallshit" you, I just seriously wanted to see how pitiful your imagination was making a claim like that and to ask the earlier question about improving your favorite games. You seriously can't think of anything better than any of those games?

>>714113714
It was supposed to be something to make you feel better. People whining about pajeets on 4chan are overwhelmingly just mentally ill retards with no arguments. I'm saying those people don't exist on the english internet.

>>714113582
Alright, anon.

Assume I am literally the only non-tranny and/or non-commie person that is Anti-AI. Literally every other single person in the history of the internet that is against AI is a tranny or a communist except me.

Now read these posts I made and debate them:
>>714108737
>>714109582

If you cannot debate these posts, it can only mean one of two things:
1) You are stupider than trannies
2) It's not just trannies

>>714113293
Well at least we know where hell is.

>>714113513
It doesn't really matter if it's consistent or not. Once your audience realizes that your product was generated by a machine, they will no longer see any meaning in it. People read Stephen King because of the author. Most of his books are pretty bad, actually, but people like his style, they like his name on the cover, they like to know that what they have in their hands came from Stephen King's head, so there's a social element to reading one of his books, and if suddenly a good Stephen King book is revealed to have been written by a group that Stephen King paid to copy his style, people will feel betrayed and reject the product. Because consuming artistic products is not a simple mechanical act where only the content is evaluated without any other consideration.

>>714113817
Too bad we have to deal with you retards here. Britain colonizing india and china has done permanent damage to the world

>>714113858
it's a waste of time so no thanks
it was a rhetorical question hoping to enlighten you btw

>>714113817
>It was supposed to be something to make you feel better. People whining about pajeets on 4chan are overwhelmingly just mentally ill retards with no arguments. I'm saying those people don't exist on the english internet.
Oh I'm sure is very much an overreaction. But the fact that there's actually comparatively few means things can get worse.

>>714112756
>you can just prompt video game assets
there is no requirement to replace humans completely.
if AI can get you 50% towards the finished product that's 2x improvement in productivity.
if AI can do 80% that's a 5x improvement. we don't ever have to reach 100%.

the real challenge will be to maintain human expertise when AI can do more and more of the work.
the existence of AI makes it difficult to incentivize young people to spend the grueling amount of time to master a craft.

>>714113915
????????????
its a video game
the story has never had any meaning to it

>>714113513
>all LLMs are the same
youre a retard, i regularly rp with deepseek and as long as you know what youre doing with presets and dont go over 160k tokens it doesnt hallucinate shit, not to mention it's getting better and better every single month.
I can absolutely recognize the old gpt-slop that there used be but that is gone now, from my experience it's extremely believable

>>714113603
I think they legitimately see themselves as artists so they get a similar reaction as an artist would when told their art is shit but on top there is a level of smugness
t. frequent the AI threads on /h/ and /trash/

>>714113976
Yea, why pay someone to generate flavor text with side characters/quests/etc when the AI can do it for you in seconds

>>714113968
Funny how trying to convince people that AI is good with genuine arguments is a waste of time but just going "TRANNIES HATE AI SO IF YOU HATE IT YOU'RE LIKE THE TRANNIES" isn't a waste of time. Very curious, indeed.

Your concession? Accepted.

>>714106641 (OP)
its fine - they still need to make mention of it on the store page though.

>>714113147
The fact that AI shit is infecting both the scientific world, law, government and journalism is far more concerning development than what is going on with the use of AI stuff in vidya. Knowing how much the LLMs especially just make shit up, and how lazy people in general are, that they most likely won't fact check everything the AI spews out unless they, due to actually knowing for a fact that what the AI is saying is bs, will probably just let the AI nonsense slide in their reports, documentation and whatever else actual official, real world impacting shit they are doing, just guarantees that our entire system of knowledge, law, journalism and whatever the fuck is being infected with a steady spread of complete bs.

We have already had cases where fucking lawyers were caught using "case law" examples in their stuff that AI had completely made up.

>>714113973
It's certainly not going to get better, but those aren't the problems we face.

>>714113976
>the existence of AI makes it difficult to incentivize young people to spend the grueling amount of time to master a craft.
The existence of AI makes it unnecessary to do it because it will do it for you. The result is what will matter the most, the results from expertise in a craft will change to the result based on taste which is less rare than experts. Overall we'll get more and better games in the future, thanks to AI.

>>714113915
That is a good point as well, that is worth being stated. My point was that the AI is just bad at such creative endevour in general but even if it was good, you are right that a lot of people would probably not give a fuck about it anyways.

>>714114104
that's not what you asked of me, I don't feel like reading your retarded posts seeing how dumb you are
I simply asked a question then stated a fact and you can't internalize this

>>714113981
It's not a video game, it's the artistic part of a video game.
An example: imagine that the books you find in Elder Scrolls were actually all generated by ChatGPT. You may have 1,000 books within the game, all complete, but who's really going to be interested in reading them? If a poorly paid Indian generated a book using ChatGPT, I can also generate one for $20 a month. Now if I know that every book there was intentionally written by the game's authors, then I know there's a chance they used those books to convey some intention, and they have meaning. I probably won't read 75% of them, but the most fanatical fans will, and if that shit was done with care, those books will expand a universe created by humans for humans, and give fans more reasons to devote their time to deciphering that universe.
None of that happens if the books were created by machines. Even if they make sense within that universe. You know there was no real human intention behind those words, and you stop consuming them.

>>714114196
It's sad you truly believe this.

>>714113817
I like the limitations of those games. I don't need another over the shoulder shooter/action adventure game with melee mechanics. Some of these games just couldn't be made in the current industry and what AI promises me is primarily indie slop and I don't touch that shit. I guess AI could help with something like Ratchet & Clank, it was made by a reasonably sized team but that was a product of it's time and simply can't be replicated.

>>714106756
>Sucks cause I like these devs and this game looks very soulful
retarded gay frogposter

remember, 5.6 has built-in AI prompting shit now

yet nobody cares

>>714114567
Some AI is more equal than others.

>>714114459
>belief
It's an objective fact and you are mentally challenged if you disagree with it. It's like saying the development of 3D won't make better games. That digital tools won't let artists make better art. That automobiles won't let people travel around the planet easier.

>>714114567
As long as people are generating stone or wood textures, no one will care, especially when 90% of games today are realistic and make no attempt to create a stylized artistic style that reflects the idiosyncrasies of the artists responsible for the visuals.
But the more meaning something has within your game, the more rejection people will feel when they discover that it was created by algorithms, not artists.

>>714113421
are you thick? I said if AI doesn't produce a result that is up to a professional's standard he will edit it manually until it is.
thus the result won't be distinguishable because the professional will make sure that it's not. do you disagree with that logic?

I'm not a professional artist, so how could I provide such an example?
But I use AI as a dev. Does that mean that my AI-assisted code is slop? No. If doesn't meet my standard I work on it until it does.
If an amateur uses AI to code the codebase's quality will drastically deteriorate over time if he even manages to make a working application in the first place.

>>714108043
funny coming from vara of all people

>>714114469
Wow. Thanks for the reply.

>>714115062
no one will ever care how things are made

>>714115072
So to be clear, you have zero examples of the process you are describing, and there is nothing you can show that is AI produced but indistinguishable from real work. You simply claim that it would be indistinguishable because you think if someone masks it very cleverly it is impossible to tell. Which is totally fucking wrong lol

>>714111974
>Three people who haven't made a good game in decades agree AI is the future

>>714115349
And yet they do. Still waiting for a single good "ai" game for you to list

>>714115408
They don't.
https://steamdb.info/tag/1368160/
>Showing 1 to 100 of 9,093 entries
This number will increase exponentially.

>>714114196
It's a huge problem that people won't dedicate their time to learn a craft, for now the AI is still relatively new but it's gonna be a real shitshow when the younger generations grow up with it. There's a bunch of zoomers cruising through college with ChatGPT, if you want to learn to draw and your shit looks like 2004 deviant art fanart you're gonna get discouraged because AI will produce infinitely better results. Programming? There is ChatGPT for that. Wanna learn animation? You can generate that. If there's an easy way out for something most people will take it.

>>714115364
He's using art as a vector for the WIP AI tools that will be available in the near future(if they aren't already).

>>714114079
>>714114196
>The existence of AI makes it unnecessary to do it because it will do it for you
it doesn't, though. AI is not even close to expert level.
has AI replaced your job? it hasn't replaced mine. and I wouldn't even call myself an expert, just a professional.
without experts AI will deteriorate since it will lack the training data created and curated by experts.

>>714115556
>COD
If that 1 art they were forced to pull down because of outrage is enough to make the list I already know its disingenuous

>>714114867
We already have years of evidence of you being wrong. As >>714114138 pointed out, aislop is already making the world an objectively worse place. It's a technology that exists to make imitations of pre-existing things. The best it can possibly do is derivative slop. But more often than not it produces useless or even detrimental garbage.
You niggers constantly try and compare your slop to other technologies. But no other example you give ever had this period of being so completely worthless. Other technologies might start off niche or have growing pains. But they don't go for years with major investment and mass adoption from every megacorp on the planet and the combined efforts of an entire subcontinent without producing anything of merit.

>>714115635
>It's a huge problem that people won't dedicate their time to learn a craft,
No it isn't, a lot of great games don't even have good craftsmen in the first place and AI tools will quickly leap frog the capabilities of the people who worked on those projects.
Taste is what will matter in the future and a lot more people have good taste than people that have talent and such.

>>714115673
Post your art.

Isn't Nintendo using AI now?

>>714107835
>if the quality is right.
if the quality was right, then people wouldn't be able to tell it was ai?
qed the quality is not right

>>714114867
Extremely sad post.

>>714115635
And the retard you're replying to thinks that's a good thing and it means games will get better lol

>>714115821
>aislop is already making the world an objectively worse place
Stopped reading here.

>>714115841
Not publicly.

>>714115823
>>714115921
Extremely sad posts. Jeet-tier soul.

>>714116032
You're a low IQ mongrel with no argument, no common sense, and no capacity for critical thought/

>>714106641 (OP)
Zero remarks over the sloppa translation leaving in the gpt response in second language?

>>714115921
You're going to die from a treatable illness when your incompetent poo doctor misdiagnoses you based on an ai "hallucination".

>>714116083
You are a white-ish man in the United States that has drunk the AI koolaid. Your naivety and soullessness are apparent for all to see.

>>714115841
other than scrapping the internet for copyright infringement what other thing they use AI for?

>b-but AI didnt take my job yet!
If you do anything with PCs, it will, its just a matter of time

>>714116331
plumbers will rule this world

>>714115823
That's not true, you need expertise, Kojima is making Death Stranding because he spent his life making games, making connections, building a reputation.

These anti-AI people are the new vegans of the internet. This whole conversation is so cringe.

>>714116419
this is good bait

>>714106641 (OP)
AI in videogames is fine as long as quality is kept up to expected standards.
Frankly, having to disclose it on Steam is stupid too because it makes a bunch of reactionary retards avoid any game with AI in it no matter how it was used or to what extent.
Devs will avoid legitimate use cases for AI just to avoid the bad PR of the AI label.
Here we have devs apologizing like pussies because they accidentally left in some placeholder content and temporarily used AI translations because their human translators were too slow.

>>714115364
I have tons of examples in my own work as I said.
it's not masked. the professional who can make good art without AI, can also make it using AI tools for ground work.
he can use the same tools he uses usually to correct any mistakes. the logic is self-evident.
Photoshop has had AI features for ages and you weren't bitching about those, were you?
by definition it's impossible for you to know how much AI art you've seen and not identified as AI.

>>714116626
Post some of your examples that are AI-based with your modifications.

>>714116493
Letting games get away with AIslop means that it becomes a competitive advantage to use AIslop. All devs start using AIslop. The industry gets noticeably worse as a result. Right now they're trying to sneak it by people, but the more gamers uncritically accept this shit, the less of a need they'll feel to hide it. Low effort will become more and more apparent. This was already obvious with shit like procedural generation and unreal assets, for example, and those are a million times less harmful to gaming than AI. There is no advantage to the consumer in letting the developer get away with using AI to cut corners. Letting developers shit out lower quality games at a faster rate is not to the consumer's benefit. Thus, the disclaimers are great and should be enforced so that people don't accidentally support the sloppification of vidya.

>>714106641 (OP)
as expected of Temu Saarfield

>aijeet desecrating Len
They really do just exist to corrupt and destroy everything good.

>>714116468
I like it because it drives the price of games through boycott. I say more power to the freaks

>>714116493
if they have to keep the standard than AI is useless because double checking and fixing errors will take pretty much the same time therefore enjoy your sloppa!

>>714115364
stop pretending you can tell

>>714116331
so? should we halt technological progress to protect archaic jerbs?

>>714115349
Things, yes, but not art. Video games also have an artistic factor, and all the same things that apply when people consume the work of a famous writer, filmmaker, or musician will apply to a lesser extent to video games. When all games are made by algorithms, people will look for artists who make things with their own hands.
And as I said in another post, the guys using AI now will be replaced anyway. AI won't stop at textures and 3D models. You'll have lucid dream machines within a few decades, and no normalfag will be concerned with video games when that happens.

But what is actually wrong with AI.
All the arguments are just
>muh Indians (half the time it's American companies doing it)
>muh art (nobody cares)
So really, why should it matter? Is there a single game that has been made worse thanks to AI?

>>714116852
>Number of examples posted that are apparently impossible to tell: 0
>Number of times I have asked to see some examples: 3
Feel free to break the chain you smarmy faggot

>>714116946
art is a thing
no one cares

>>714116493
If you resort to ai the quality is already as low as it gets

>>714116953
AI in games can be a good tool, but the problem is how it’s being used right now—mainly to cut costs, not improve quality.

“Is there a single game that has been made worse thanks to AI?”

Yeah, look at stuff like The Day Before or Gollum. They used AI voice acting, AI-written dialogue, and even AI promotional material—and the result was generic, soulless garbage. AI didn't ruin those games singlehandedly, but it absolutely contributed to their laziness and low-effort feel.

The issue isn’t AI tech itself—it's how publishers use it to replace creative labor, not support it. AI art and writing are being used to churn out lifeless filler instead of paying writers or artists to do something with actual intent and direction.

Also, AI in procedural generation has existed forever (like in Minecraft or Daggerfall), and nobody complained because it was used creatively, not as a way to fire people.

>>714106641 (OP)
I neither know nor care. The anti-AI craze is the most idiotic thing I've seen in a long time.

>>714116953
It's literally a "tool" that is made to cut corners by prompting shit and having the computer do the rest for you. Worse than procedural generation, which is already not great to begin with, but used for every aspect of vidya. If you didn't actually write, design or draw your shit, then why would I want to pay for it? Tell me why I should want to move to an industry where it's no longer developers making their art, but having a computer make it for them. What is my benefit in this equation?

>>714116992
>no one cares
You really don't know anything about human culture. If I were arguing with an AI, it would have a better understanding of what I'm talking about than you do.

>>714116953
Its all just shizcoposting from one or more anons.
I wouldn't take these threads seriously.

>>714112451
>>714114104
>reddit frog

>>714116953
Read >>714112164
Its bottom of the barrel everything

>>714117171
the game could still be fun

>>714116710
>>714117041
This is the problem. People automatically assume that any use of AI is bad and if there's AI content in a game it's automatically reducing quality. But AI can increase the quality of a game if used well.

Judge not the vidya by the amount of AI, but the quality of its content.

>>714116706
>just post your company's intellectual property on a mongolian basket weaving board, bro.
it's quite noticable that a lot of the anti-AI folk have never held a proper job.

>>714117174
You are projecting your schizophrenic ideals onto others. Most people can't even recognize CGI as not being real lol. They sure as shit don't know what AI is, or care. They're not fart sniffers and are just taking in what's presented to them, they don't know or care how it was made.

>>714116953
>All the arguments are just
>>muh Indians
AI is a tool so yes, muh indians is a valid argument as these people are more creatively bankrupt than the chinese

>>714117334
Still waiting for you to name a single good "ai" game. Its been an hour

AI reactionaries are so tiring, all they have are regurgitated shit takes from their friends on reddit. They live their fucking factory lives and NOW arbitrarily draw the line on the next technology not being individually artisanal and human enough, when they never gave a shit before, because they weren't actively told to by other bigger moraltards. No-no, NOW this needs to be torn down, because god for-fucking-bid there is even the tiniest chance we make it anywhere in this lifetime instead of wasting it rotting away in the twilight of everything being kinda dogshit anyway (Are we looking at the same fucking internet for you to NOW get concerned about quality?). Nah, let's sabotage this (for regular people) right away, so that we can get back to the regular scheduled pearl clutching and misery (while corporations and governments will keep using it anyway). Best part is all the content that is now accused of being AI when it's not AI, which is also AI's fault somehow, despite it obviously just demonstrating that people are full of shit and can't even tell the difference and thus what makes AI worse than what was already there. They pull their heads just long enough out of the slop trough to tell you that it's bad when AI does it, what a joke.

>>714117295
Anon, if I get dragged kicked and screaming into an AI slop industry where every single game is made with AI, then yeah, I'll probably still play games and pick the funnest ones among them.

The point is this is still obviously worse for me than if AIslop doesn't fully take over, which is why I don't want to support AIslop.

>>714117334
It's literally a tool to cut corners and mass produce shit more effectively. The only advantage one can say it has is that it makes games faster and allows more games to be made. But I already have an excess of games and they were all made by talented people that didn't need to proompt their shit. Again, why the fuck would I want AI to turn everything into slop?

Who cares at this point? The theft happened. The theft will keep happening. Big money won that round, while they're now all losing money on trying to keep this shit afloat. It's now part and parcel of living in modern society. Being mad at it is like any other industry shift in the last 300 years.

>>714117487
nice blog, sirs

It's weird that game devs have to apologize for using new technology. How dare they experiment and try new things.

>AI bad
>tesla bad
>starlink bad
>Waymos bad

these people just seem to be against any kind of modern advances in technology

>>714117041
my AI hentai is better than 90% of the human-made art I used to consoom. that's a conservative estimate.

>>714117559
It'd be funny when Disney starts doing AI when they're in the middle of suing an AI company.

>>714117101
Is the joke of this post that it's AI generated, or do you just use em dashes an abhorrent amount of times?
>>714117171
Most tools exist to cut corners anon.
The argument could be made for video games that writing and art is wholly irrelevant to the point of video games, an AI becomes no different from how films would reuse sets and stock footage before the actual revolution that was good looking green/blue screens and CG.
Most games only happen to have stories as a reality of expectations. Many would probably benefit from not needing to hire writers- for example, the recent Spider-Man games have been routinely lambasted for their narratives. Would it not be more ideal for them to simply utilize AI to create a Spider-Man narrative to slot alongside the raw gameplay?

>>714117334
>People automatically assume that any use of AI is bad
They are wrong.
>if there's AI content in a game it's automatically reducing quality
They are right.
>But AI can increase the quality of a game if used well
No it can't.

>>714117635
They're suing only because they want to be the only place you can generate disneyshit lol.

>>714107968
>uhhh we'll make slop and you have to buy it take that we're so based!!
Not the flex you want it to be, Ragdesh

>>714117380
So what you are telling me is you are totally incapable of producing any material at all that does not contain NPI to prove your point. Thus, your claim made without evidence can be rejected without evidence. Oh well, I tried.

>>714117462
I'm not talking about "AI games". I'm talking about using AI as a dev tool in sensible ways.
For example, you could use AI to generate generic paintings for decorations in a scene.
Or generate extra dialogue for NPCs to add depth to the world.

>>714117753
They're extremely similar the shills pushing niggers and trannies everywhere.

how dare they not buying lab-grown meat. these people just seem to be against any kind of modern advances in technology

>>714117334
AI is good for grunt work. Stuff like mocap cleaning, UV unwrapping, boilerplate coding. If you use it for anything creative you're a fucking subhuman.

>>714117487
>They live their fucking factory lives and NOW arbitrarily draw the line on the next technology not being individually artisanal and human enough
CGI shit made movies worse
Procedural generation by and large made games worse
Microtransactions were accepted by gamers who took it in the ass and made shit worse
Early Access likewise

I'm not even arguing from a perspective that I think that AI is gonna lose or that I can do anything about it. But why the fuck should I, individually, support it? Why shouldn't I have at least some hope that this time around, people will say "Enough is enough" and not accept a quality-sloppifying cost cutting measure?
>because god for-fucking-bid there is even the tiniest chance we make it anywhere in this lifetime instead of wasting it rotting away in the twilight of everything being kinda dogshit anyway
AIslop taking over will make the drop of quality in vidya from 2005 to 2025 look like a blip on the radar. In a future where AIslop wins and developers get away with it to no consequences, gaming will be 100 times worse within a few decades. Your "Everything already le sucks so let's just keep burning it down" argument is completely worthless.
>Nah, let's sabotage this (for regular people) right away
Sabotage what? Low effort? Slop making? No one is taking your cumbrain generation away from you. That shit is literally offline now. I just don't want to pay for AIslop.
>while corporations and governments will keep using it anyway
Obviously, I will not be supporting AIslop from any source.
>people are full of shit and can't even tell the difference
The more AI is hand-waved away, the less of a reason they have for hiding it. You are doing the equivalent of "It's just a 5 dollar horse armor". 20 years later DLCs have never been kikier.

>>714117856
A single, ONE game anon. I dont care about your chatgpt replies, a singular game is all I ask

>leaving prompts in your shit
you cannot tell me this is a good game
that is so fucking lazy it's beyond 0 quality control
fill the form you nigger

>>714106641 (OP)
alters was a good game why are you guys hating

>>714116991
NTA but
>come up with an example that will nullify itself upon being provided
I am coming to conclusion that all AI hater posts are generated by AI

>>714117487
They are mad because of the bullying campaign when SD 1.5 released. Most artists moved on either embraced the tech or makes their authentic art a selling point. But for some reason redditors and trannies hold grudges forever.

>>714117783
The fact that you use the term "NPI" shows you have more illicit intentions.

>>714114138
>The fact that AI shit is infecting both the scientific world, law, government and journalism is far more concerning development than what is going on with the use of AI stuff in vidya
Yeah but its not surprising because "official" text is easy to replicate. Its basically all bureaucratic word salad where simple things get explained in overly complicated way. Its easy for AI to write essays because its been trained on real life essays which all sound the same because essays are supposed to be written like you were an analytical robot. So of course its easy for a robot to just copy it.

>>714118058
That's steam disclosure policy man.
Steam just includes that string of text.

>>714118002
don't stop bro,
>3D make games worse
>voice acting made games worse
>audio and color made movies worse
>photography made portraits worse
>tools made work harder

>>714117432
As I said, you don't understand anything about human culture. There is no possible discussion between us.

I think pricing should be proportional to the amount of AI you use in development. If you use a little bit then offer a slight discount, if you use a lot then other a big discount. If you use AI almost entirely to make your game then you should charge nothing for it.

>>714116493
>Frankly, having to disclose it on Steam is stupid too because it makes a bunch of reactionary retards avoid any game with AI in it no matter how it was used or to what extent.
I don't agree with the reactionary retards, but I do think it's their right to avoid whatever aspect of a game they want on principle.
Just like I avoid any game with a female protagonist.

>>714118152
Alright, I'll bite: How does me saying "NPI" refer to illicit intentions?

>>714118301
There's no substance to your claims and they don't reflect reality. Go outside.

>>714118204
i'm referring to the fact that the GAME ITSELF has chatgpt prompts left in the IN-GAME text

>>714118345
>YOU USED AI FOR TEXTURES YOU OWE ME MONEY
lol.
it's like saying books should be cheaper because of auto complete and editors
what the fuck is wrong with you

>>714118380
Because it's an incredibly weird specific acronym to generally know.

>>714118260
AI is worse than the 4 examples I described, so it's obviously also worse than the examples you described (Which are actually good). Your relativism is acknowledged as worthless.

>>714118118
It would not nullify itself if, upon submission, the recipient was unable to detect telltale signs it was AI generated. How you are struggling to comprehend this request is baffling to me, are AI slobs contractually obligated to be absolute imbeciles? Or is it just a lifestyle kind of thing?

https://litter.catbox.moe/vixckqnydgbmf9dg.png
https://litter.catbox.moe/htta6jb5oz29q5ek.png
https://litter.catbox.moe/s87lmevumut4g3se.png
https://litter.catbox.moe/3u9yslp4gst88dqp.png

>>714118260
It's fascinating to me that you retards still haven't realized that always responding with dishonest shit like this is one of the main reasons you and your "technology" have such an abysmal reputation.

>>714118510
>AI is worse than the 4 examples I described
proof?

>>714118489
It is an extremely common acronym used by basically any professional involved in the financial industry, and is thus an extremely common acronym. How in the fuck would knowing this acronym signify any illicit intentions, whatsoever???

>>714118637
Dishonest talking points is all they have, it's not like they could be intellectually honest and still defend this slop

>>714118260
>photography made portraits worse
This is actually true. Portraits went from vibrant paintings that last forever to fragile tiny sepia photographs.

>>714118667
>thinks using shitty ai art is comparable to switching from 2D to 3D in games
Your NFT will sell for millions any day now too

>>714118418
It would be smart to leave a tag like THIS IS AI REMOVE IT IN POST, but otherwise it's just a minor mistake like a typo. There's been worse stuff left in games.

>>714118480
Shit analogy. If an author was inserting chatgpt prompts into large chunks of their story I'd expect them to charge a whole hell of a lot less for their novel too. The point of using AI is that it saves on labor, therefore you're paying less people to do the work. Why would you want to pay $80+ for a game where most of it's development is outsourced by AI?

>>714118795
It's a much bigger deal but you're so stupid you can't even comprehend that, huh.

>>714118934
Such a bigger deal that despite nearly unlimited funding and mass adoption over the past 3 years or so, it still hasn't produced anything good.

The SNES was released in 1990 and the PS1 was released in 1994, for your information. With less than 5% of the funding involved.

I refuse to pay

>>714118934
>portrait of 1girl standing in 2025
WAN can actually do porn now

>>714119201
Yeah, I'm not paying for any game with AIslop.

>>714118480
>it's like saying books should be cheaper because of auto complete and editors
They are. Books are cheaper than they've ever been. They used to be prohibitively expensive for the overwhelming majority of people when each copy had to be transcribed by hand. And every technology that has made them cheaper to create and reproduce has reduced that cost.
It's the same with visual art too. Digital art made with the conveniences of modern drawing software that can be effortlessly copied an infinite number of times and disseminated instantly across the internet is a lot cheaper than a physical painting.
aislop in particular massively undercuts the value of things as the more of it that is used in something, the closer it is to the potential customers being able to produce it themselves since there is no longer a skill barrier.

>>714119137
>a technology that I don't understand is in its alpha phase hasn't changed the world yet AND IT NEVER WILL
lmao tell us more

>>714106641 (OP)
Realistically, if something is derivative rehashed slop, does it really matter if AI or humans churned it out? I mean look at the last 10 years of Ubisoft games. Would AI really have done any worse than the people who made Far Cry 3 clone 6 or Assassin's Creed 2 clone 20 did?

>>714119573
I'm not talking about le world, I'm talking about the vidya industry. And it probably will change it. For the worse. There's a reason the kikes are happily pushing for it. Still never paying for AIslop, albeit.

I don't care about AI use in games as long as it's done tastefully
If you just slapped on shitty AI portraits to your roguelike card game then fuck you, you're talentless and everyone can tell
If I can't tell you used it, then good job you pass
People are going to drive themselves mad second-guessing every painting and piece of text in games, especially as this technology advances

>>714116468
there is no "anti-ai" crowd
if you dont despise ai garbage at sight, you are a soulless bug to being with or a shill jeet trying to hype up trash tech propped up by the overlords at microshit/jewgle

>>714119748
If you're even guessing how something was made you're already mad.

>>714117571
>t. when you have nothing but your slopbrain tells you to disagree anyway

>>714119703
The point is that "ai" exclusively produces derivative rehashed slop. Well, other than all the non-functional abominations.
I don't buy ubislop either and consider them a blight on the industry. Why would I want more of that?

>>714106927
The trick is to just have fatigue in general, and then nothing ever bothers you

It's not that they're using AI it's that they're lying about it and desperately trying to win back the hearts of a few losers who probably never cared about the actual game in the first place. Normal people don't give a shit about shit like this, but these guys are being faggots by playing into exactly what the mob wants, it's like apologizing for racism. The second you go, "yeah I did it and I don't give a fuck lol", all the wind in their sails is gone, at that point there's absolutely nothing they can do to you. Plenty of streamers, youtubers, let's players, etc still shill, promote and play stuff with AI slop in it, they don't care, they're still gonna play shit like Liar's Bar and the devs are still going to get rich regardless of how many trannies screech and whine about it on shitter.

>>714106927
They're just a bunch of seething losers that hate art and don't like new things.

I want unlimited veo3 to burnt the planet to a crisp with audio/video slop bros

>>714119703
The writing in the last few Assassins Creed games is so bad that having chat gpt write it would be an improvement. They actually have been using a form of procedural generation for their map and their quest design.

>>714120030
I own 3 games from 11 Bit Studios. I will never buy a game from them again. I was interested in this, too.

>Normal people don't give a shit about shit like this
Yeah, and they didn't give a shit about microtransactions or early access either. I do, though.

>>714118016
Not him but Ready or Not is pretty good.

>>714120192
>i'm a reactionary that's having less fun because of my biases
wow very epic

>>714120030
they don't care about the twitterniggers or whatnot, they're scared of steam getting involved for zipping past the ai disclosure that you have to fulfill in BOLD BIG TEXT

>>714120192
I wouldn't say I will never buy an 11 Bit game again, but after Frostpunk 2 and now this, I certainly will never buy an 11 Bit game on release again, and instead wait a few months at the least.

>>714120030
i also remember few woke games making bank at the start but then somehow that dried up quickly enjoy your very far and inbetween victories until you can.doesnt change that i never bought a woke game and i will never buy an ai game

>>714120245
It's not a bias to realize that supporting AIslop means the industry will get sloppier as a result. If you want to support developers finding ways to cut corner and deliver lower quality at a steadier and faster clip, you do you.

>>714120372
It is a bias, "sloppier" is your retarded opinion. You care about random inconsequential assets in games that normal people don't care about at all. You are fucking retarded.

>>714120192
Ok, and? This is my whole point, you're just bitching at something completely out of your control.

>>714106641 (OP)
Who cares if its ai?

>>714119937
I know, I don't think anyone is suggesting AI make everything going forward forever, I'm just saying the overwhelming majority of video games are in fact rehashed slop and have been for like 30 years now. I don't see why there's all this vitrol toward AI when it's just a shortcut to doing what the industry has already been doing for longer than most people on this board have been alive.

>>714120449
>I-i-i-it's just inconsequential assets
If it's inconsequential, then why did they bother doing AI for it?

Either ways, the simple fact of the matter is that by supporting AIslop, no matter how inconsequential, I am sending a clear message to the industry that using AIslop is a competitive advantage. You get to proompt out AIslop faster with less effort to no consequence. This builds up like a snowball. I already know how lazy devs can get with shit like procedural generation and unreal assets, so yeah, not giving them an inch so they can take a mile.

Individually, that is. I will not be surprised if gamers collectively give them an inch, and then they'll be crying 10 years from now while I tell them "Told you so"

>>714120593
I think the issue is that even the most derivative, committe-focused AAA slopfest still can be made by talented developers and artists so there's SOMETHING to appreciate about it. If you remove that aspect entirely then what are we really left with in the end?

>>714120691
Imagine seething over textures. You're probably a zoomer who has never paid any attention to video games before. Protip: the AI generated textures were better than 90% of the textures humans have made for video games thus far.
You have critical autism.

>>714120449
>you're wrong because muh ad populum
Ask Chatgpt to explain to you what that is

>>714120835
None of that addresses what I said. Give an inch, they take a mile.

well, if this AI slop I can't wait to see the art when AI actually gets good.
I envy and pity the next generation of coomers.

>You should be happy game devs are becoming lazier and games are becoming more soulless!
>Pay the full 80$ now!

What is wrong with this thread?

>>714120304
My point still stands, that they were even afraid of pushback that they felt the need to lie about it, especially due to that fact this is all over a fucking text box. Trust me I'm not defending these faggots, but I don't hate them for using AI, I hate them for understanding how nothing their use of AI was but instead of sticking to their principles in what they think is fair they try to sneak around a threat with the equivalence of a yapping 7 pound chihuahua. You can bet your ass they were afraid if they felt the need to lie even they're at the risk of having to kiss Gabe's rings. Fuck em, they're getting what they deserve for being pussies.
>>714120347
>victories
The fact that you think I have some kind of fucking stake in this whole AI debacle people have been fighting about recently is really really funny to me. I don't give a shit, AI could be illegalized tomorrow and I still wouldn't care one way or the other, whining about small shit like textboxes generated by AI in video games is your hobby not mine. I just like watching devs embarrass themselves, especially when there's no reason to.

>>714120238
Not that anon but source on Ready or Not using AI? I'm googling it and I can't find anything.

>>714118768
Nah, I can pretty confidently tell you are the type of person who absolutely does want identifying information based on the post history tied to your filenames. You reek of that "type".

>>714120691
not all devs are like this
some will always take time to create a quality product. if using ai helps them focus on things that actually matter like gameplay and story instead of having to build the environment all by hand then it's a good thing.
I dont even care if they use ai voice for npcs, it would be a huge time saver and give the devs the opportunity to change the dialogue quickly as needed and add more of it.

>>714121097
the only guy talking about spending money already said he wanted to play the game but won't because he's a retarded moralfag lol
no one gives a fuck about this game, AI chads are just baiting schizo leftytroons

>>714120549
Peope who live online and have nothing better to do than get upset over a game they weren't going to play or give a shit about anyway, for including a thing in the most inconsequential way possible they were told is the bogeyman. You know, moron.

>>714121495
*s

>>714121135
The furfag streamers' room is full of AI generated furry and weebshit, I suppose it's fitting considering the character already would be into AI slop but still very convenient nonetheless. there's also some obvious AI voice acting in some of the trailers, notable example was for the home invasion DLC. I don't mind either of these examples though, devs shouldn't waste time and money commissioning weeaboo furry art for a goddamn gamer room when they can just solve the issue in a few minutes and save a few hundred dollars to boot. this is why I'm really torn on the usage of AI, it's still cheap and lazy but on the other hand it is beyond practical and saves shitloads of time and money, it creates slop but the reality of the situation is that's really hard to deny the lust of the forbidden fruit when you know it will help you out immensely in getting shit done fast at the expense of cheapening the soul of your project. i'm not usually this much of a centrist andy but it's been years and I still don't know how to feel about AI.

>>714121786
Thanks for the information. Yeah, it's a tricky one.

>>714121786
art is the single easiest part of a game to produce, it is also the first thing your customer is going to see and judge the game by. if a company is willing to skimp on the face of their game, you'd better fucking believe the underlying development is going to be absolute outsourced slopware

>>714123337
On the other hand, if the game does have art and this art is either sourced from somewhere else or made by a in-team and the only example is for anime and furry shit, I can see why that is a trickier situation.

>this was just place holder text!
No. Place holder text looks like:

jdjsjdjfuduwbrhe7r8chwnwmeificjsmwjdu
jsjdidnenwoejdifid
jwje8c8cjdmswoow9wnbtjrle

You literally reprompted it to write your "place holder text" with a focus on the writing subject itself.

This isn't place holder text. This is evidence that AI was writing part of your game.

>>714123536
that's even more inexcusable imo because some freelancer can knock that shit off in a weekend and it costs no dev time. i think the problem is that normalfags just have no idea how optimized preproduction actually is

>>714121495
>>714121581
Yes
I mean I fully expect every game released 2025 to contain AI generated code. If it also contains ai generated textures that changes nothing.

>>714123337
>art is the single easiest part of a game to produce
How? Like what do you mean by that because in the context of RoN, the art generated are just generic anime, furry, and video game posters, it's just there for flavor. Are we talking textures, character design, writing, if art is the easiest aspect of a game to nail how come there are some games out there with fine gameplay but atrocious writing or a shitty artstyle, or terrible UIs, bad voice acting? I could go on, and these issues have existed in not just before art, not just video games, but all art in general is capable of sucking in a variety of different ways based on what the medium of whatever project you're doing belongs to. They way you guys look at the use of AI as an all or nothing zero sum game is so fucking annoying and reductive to the conversation, it is obviously a much more complex issue than you're making it out to be.

>>714123732
Actually, place holder text looks like
>Lorem ipsum dolor sit amet, consectetur adipiscing elit, sed do eiusmod tempor incididunt ut labore et dolore magna aliqua. Ut enim ad minim veniam, quis nostrud exercitation ullamco laboris nisi ut aliquip ex ea commodo consequat. Duis aute irure dolor in reprehenderit in voluptate velit esse cillum dolore eu fugiat nulla pariatur. Excepteur sint occaecat cupidatat non proident, sunt in culpa qui officia deserunt mollit anim id est laborum.
But the rest of your post stands

>>714121786
See this is the sort of thing where they had a free excuse that I was have excepted as real if instead of going OOPSIE and replacing the art, they just say "yeah, the whole point of this guy's room is that he's the type of guy that WOULD print off fucking AI images and post them on his wall."
Ironically that even makes the AI images BEING AI images more authentic then having a human recreate it, though that would probably be fun as a sort of artistic challenge for an artist to fulfill.

>>714124098
>these issues have existed in not just before art
*these issues have existed in not just before AI

>>714124159
But that's the point, right? If AI is going to make things more efficient, why did you just spend untold minutes prompting and reprompting what should have been seconds of copy pasting fucking age old place holder text? It's a total fucking lie and the worst part is people will buy it.

>>714124098
>They way you guys look at the use of AI as an all or nothing zero sum game
Even in the best case scenarios, supporting games that do it is still sending a message that it's in the benefit of developers to do it, and I think this is gonna lead to a snowball effect of making vidya worse that this industry has never experienced before. Stuff that makes the current era of live service and gacha look like small potatoes.
Trying to be nuanced doesn't benefit me, in my opinion.

>>714124098
Damn BigDaddy looks young there, is that during the HoN era?

>>714108948
They wish they were players. This isn't even judgement. It's a blatant inferiority complex, trying to elevate their opinion as the standard.

>>714123337
>art is the single easiest part of a game to produce
you are such a retard

>>714124432
> it is still sending a message that it's in the benefit of developers to do it
That's because it literally is, and that's my entire point you seem to continuously fail to understand, that is the issue we're facing, it's great for them but not for us and it's not as simple as they're just lazy and art is totally super easy guys. But that's alright though, you seem to have a foundational issue with putting yourself in the shoes of other people.

>>714108043
Time to change careers Warhorse niggers

>>714124842
If enough people don't buy a game they would otherwise buy because of AIslop, then perhaps we can offset that. Even creating controversies like these, as long as they keep happening and harming developers in any small way, can also help.

Either ways, even if I were on an island and the only person that refused to spend money on AIslop, I'd at least feel good that I wasn't one of the people giving the devs the thumbs up as they rolled the snowball down and made the industry unimaginable levels of slop a mere decade or two later.

There are more consumers than developers. We're the ones paying and developers are the ones getting paid. This is literally the best instance where we should be using that to our advantage.

>>714124098
>fine gameplay but atrocious writing or a shitty artstyle,
hiring bad people, or more often ime bad direction from people who nepo'd their way into a creative director job and simply have poor taste. the latter is how you end up with things like the initial sonic movie artstyle, 'make x but hyper realistic' is one of the most common demands from people who have no idea what the fuck they're talking about
>AI as an all or nothing zero sum game
it is absolutely zero sum, there is no complexity at all

Good thread desu

>>714113162
TRVKE
The AIjeet had no retort to this

wait, hold on guys, pls guys, hey, pls guys, hey

>>714127110
DELETE

>>714127139
HOLD ON PLEASE STOPP

>>714113162
the reason games suck today is because it's hard to make them so AI will make games better since it makes them easier to make

>>714108043
>First Warhorse
>Now 11 Bit Studios
Alright, it's confirmed. The Witcher 4 is gonna have AIslop controversy.

These disgusting poles can't help themselves. Lazy slobs.

The AI mindbreak among normalfags is pretty bizarre to me

I'll give it to 2027 that people stop caring about the morality of AI and just use it.

>>714127195
>So we have removed this information
lol very interesting
So you're no longer looking for AIslop skill in your concept artists? :^)

>>714127263
Two more weeks, jeet.
>muh morality
Yes, the only reason why I'm not a pig eating your slop at the trough is because it'd be immoral to do so lol. That's what's holding me back
Oink oink

>>714127110
OH NO NO NO NO NO

*yawn*

>>714127110
MAKE IT STOP PLEASEEEEEE

>>714127381
Why do you talk like that?
Are you alright?

every PR statement about AI use always sounds robotic and always includes "the reality of AI in our future" and that we must come to terms with it

>>714106927
>I have anti-AI fatigue

>>714127263
These people will be raging about it until they die.

>>714113319
holy ESL

>>714127830
lol

>>714106641 (OP)
>Ai being even fucking mentioned in any capacity related to your AAA cineslop game
It's too late, r*ddit is going to cancel the fuck outta this game

>>714127552
Another Mind's Eye coming

>>714106641 (OP)
How does one use AI "accidentally"? And how does it end up in your game "accidentally"?

>>714129564
like how you accidentally trip and impregnate a random women on the street or your bathroom

>>714129976
You have a town rapist too?

>>714113705
a certain race and their ideology hates beauty in general, art being one of them

>>714116331
>matter of time
still waiting on india to be that superpower

>>714130793
AI artists make better art than most regular artists though

>>714106641 (OP)
I beat it and didn't notice anything. Could not give a shit if the entire game was AI aslong as I don't notice.

Time is a flat circle. Used to be heavy metal and hidden satanic imagery people clutched pearls about. AI is just another boogeyman people addicted to being unhappy complain about.

>>714132036
Retard

>>714106641 (OP)
>we used AI
who gives a shit?

only thing that matters ... is the game good?

it is, i played it and its quiote decent, shame only 1 ending with variations really, needed at lest 2

>>714108370
it wasnt, no big ai case went anywhere so far

>>714134332
>demos look great
>try it
>it barely even works, all result look like the worst shit ever created

lmao

>>714106641 (OP)
who gives a fuck

>>714128330
I have no idea what I was trying to write anymore

>>714134841
pay an AI to figure it out

>>714134751
post results

>>714135037
its so fucking bad i didnt even save it
basically those vids are a scam, hunyuan3d, the generative model made by chinksthis uses isnt even close to being usable
also unstable as fuck, 9/10 failure rate

>>714135345
10% success is pretty good, imagine what it will be like in the near future.

If it isn't jeets scrambling to defend their livelyhood, it's retards making it political.
>inb4 lol lmao said the scorpion
Imagine turning into the retards that you hate, couldn't be me.

>>714112538
>>714113585
this is sad

>>714135463
>imagine what it will be like in the near future.
people keep saying it for 100 years now
all we got is kikes having even a bigger iron grip on the dumb goys

10% of time it works at all, not that 10% of times it produces something decent, it never does
i exect it will be just as shit in few years, since instead of being trained on 3d models it just generates bunch of side and back views then converts it to depth, uses marching cubes to make it 3d and then projects the images back
its an ass backwards process that will never be good

>>714136073
Nothing has progressed in 100 years? The tech we're talking about has progressed multiple times this year.

>>714136109
not nothing
jewish propaganda influence on people is progressing pretty well, instead getting married and having kids people waste this time on this retarded shit
if this AI shit wasnt made nothing of value would be lost, 5 years on it failed to produce anything of worth
in few more years people will be talking how any day now it will be usefull, how "soon™" anybody will be making his own AI games

>>714136559
>he's just insanely depressed and lonely
oh okay

>>714107686
?
thats chudtoad

>>714106641 (OP)
Just like with Bungie stealing shit, and Ubisoft's stealing shit, and all the other companies who get caught.
Its an accident. Its a rogue employee. Blah blah blah. They'll be more rigorous and do better.
Fuck outta here with that shit. Its all on purpose and done on the up and up, and they're just pushing as far as they think they can without getting caught.

>>714136624
>he's just insanely depressed and lonely
applies to 50% of young adults under 30 now, at lest we got the ai slop

>>714136687
the funniest shit is that those statements are made by some PR or legal twat who never even met a single dev working there
obviously, ai shit is part of their workflow, and it will stay the same after this

Holy shit I don't fucking care if a company uses AI. This ludo-witchhunt bullshit is so fucking gay.

>>714117940
Once it's commercially viable I have no issue with lab-grown meat. It's just material, and if we can get meat without an animal having to suffer for it I've got no problem.

>>714121204
>by meticulously analyzing the posting history of your filenames, I can confidently say you are looking to gather data
Someone is projectionmaxing I see!

>>714127197
It has never been easier in history to make a game than right now

>>714137880
afaik lab grown meat doesn't scale enough to ever be commercially viable, and it uses more energy than regular meat so it is less sustainable too

>>714138336
I'm sure people said the same thing about automobiles when they first arrived, Anon. Technology changes, you can't say "ever" so confidently.

>>714138273
It has never been easier in history to make a BAD game. It's harder than ever to make a good game because standards have risen and the cost of everything is high.

>>714138583
Chrono Trigger is still a good game even today. Standards have only risen insofar as mass appeal is concerned, as far as anyone on this board should be interested (read:actual gamers) it has never been easier to make a good game than right this moment. My overall favorite game of 2024 was Balatro, it was simply good fun with addicting gameplay, and the budget of that game was like, what, a million bucks?

>>714106641 (OP)
>Devs really expect to charge people money for a brand new game so they can read a bunch of ChatGPT logs.
Suicide by retardation and laziness.

>>714138889
Your standards are just shit is what's going on.

>>714138423
fair enough, it's just what I've heard from https://www.youtube.com/@WhatIveLearned anyways; I never dug into the research myself

>>714139028
No, I just don't judge a game based on budget or graphics. Graphics are the only thing in which standards have risen, and it's not something that has mattered to actual gamers. It's easier than ever to make a good game.

>>714109159
I despise AI slop because it actively ruins my life. When I go to pixiv I have to look at this garbage while I'm looking for new art to jerk off to, it's not always immediately obvious from the thumbnail, and it wastes my time. Turning off AI slop on the site doesn't help, because the jeets just don't tag their shit as AI and try and pass it off as real art.

If it had ANY visual merit at all, I wouldn't care. But it doesn't, because it's soulless. It's not evil or satanic, it is just completely devoid of the entire point of art, which is the soul of the artist.

>>714139778
Does tracing make art "soulless"?

>>714138423
Lab-grown meat with current production methods is a complete farce. The real future is in bio-engineered horrors, animals with no brain but a mouth for feeding slurry and a convenient waste extraction hole.

>>714139959
I'm fine with that too. My point is that if we can get meat without an animal having to suffer, why would you oppose that? Does suffering add flavour?

>>714140046
I would prefer to have animals not suffer. But the total issue is a little more complex than that, once you have GM animal analogues you try and optimize them as much as possible, and I don't trust corpos to not cut as many corners as possible and feed them absolute garbage.

>>714139481
>No,
Yes lol.

>>714139778
lmao based AI ruining this autistic gooner's life

>>714139778
It's time you realize that it doesn't matter how art is made. What matters is that someone is making it, and someone is making that AI art meaning it has soul.
The ideas you have regarding what art is make no fucking sense. There's no difference between picture of Nami and picture of Nami: AI

>>714135345
Yea I tried a couple and they are pretty bad. Unusable unless you want to make a smudgy background prop.

>>714141346
The problem here is that you're not human. I can't explain this to you, because it's like trying to describe how water is wet to someone who is deaf, blind, and has no sense of touch.

When a man draws something, it's drawn with purpose. He has an idea he's trying to convey, he can do it poorly, he can do it well. When AI slop draws something, there's no purpose. It's a technically advanced conglomerate of hue values to approximate something in a vast database. Even if you ignore all the artifacting, the resulting image can never be interesting, because there's no idea behind it. Nothing is actually trying to be conveyed.

Fuck these incel artbros. Women and women of color aren't obligated to hire you. If you majored in art you need to KYS

>>714141735
You're so retarded. The people saying only they know what art is never know what it is. You were probably crying about photoshop for 20 years, weren't you?

>>714135828
Little bit of column A, little bit of column B

>>714134359
>>714134780
>>714137712
Oink oink. Hey, @Grok, paint me pigs at the trough eating slop.

>>714106927
Most anti-AI is pro-AI concern trolling
>DUDE THIS SLOP FOR PIGS IS SO ADVANCED THAT IT'S ACTUALLY THREATENING MY JOB

>>714106641 (OP)
Why type all that shit? Just say "sorry we forgot to remove a placeholder, changed it now" and be done with it? It's not any different from accidentally leaving lorem ipsum in something.

anyone else just find it kind of sad to see people thrash against the tide? like there are tons of snarky little art majors that think children are not already watching ai generated garbage on youtube in droves. they have no idea they're already washed away. It's genuinely sad to see someone who is unable to face the facts.

>>714143316
What's sad is your absolutely cucked mentality.

>>714144105
not sure if you think im spanish or a chud or a lib or whatever really. continue if you want though

>>714144135
>AIjeet cannot interpret a simple image in response to his statement and takes it too literally
Grim. Did you ask Grok to explain it for you?

>>714143316
Still never buying any AIslop in my lifetime. If you're telling me I get a free moral pass to pirate every game forever, then that's fine too. Lots of money I'm gonna start saving I'd have otherwise spent on Steam. That shit adds up.

>>714144283
I was in line somewhere yesterday and a kid, maybe 5 or 6 was holding what I assume was his dad's phone with the volume all the way up listening to some kind of fucked up medical fantasy AI youtube short. It just kept going on and on over and over and the dad stood there like nothing was going on. It was the worst of modern parenting and the worst of modern media together lol.

If you haven't watched it yet, watch Codex Pajeet. It's the ultimate redpill about pajeets, if you think you know how bad they are then just wait until you watch this.

>in just a few years AI went form horrifying abominations to actually hard to tell sometimes
>in a few more years you won't even know its AI
Artfags will be replaced and I don't care. Funny how you didn't care about automation because you thought your jobs were the safe ones.

>>714143316
I learned about the luddites, as well as newer generations of them, when I was a kid and I've always thought they were some of the most pathetic people ever. I still feel that way but its extra embarrassing seeing people whining about data centers using water and energy while they shitposting on the internet(which uses data centers). While they make digital art, which luddites were seething about not even 10 years ago/

Mindless retards.

>>714146063
The luddites are more righteous than we anti-AI sloppers are, considering they were literally fighting to not go destitute. You're a retard in multiple ways for this post.

>>714146063
Yeah, it's pretty bad. DCs are great candidates for alternative energy, or at least nuclear, which I'm sure developers would be open to if it was greenlit by governing bodies.

>>714142212
This isn't twitter, go back

>>714106641 (OP)
>get job as an environment artist
>use ai to make bullshit llorem ipsum textures no one's going to read
>get to actually spend more time on drawing real art while ai handles the meaningless tedious parts
who doesn't win here? are artists retarded?

>>714146117
They were pussies and you're even more of a pussy and you're a dishonest piece of shit.

>>714146480
The luddites fought against kikes to not go destitute
We are simply not paying money for AIslop because we don't want to be fed slop by kikes
Both are righteous positions and you don't know what you're talking about

>>714146547
Like ants when you step on an ant hill. Coping and seething and doing nothing else while the world gets massively more productive and good become cheaper.

>>714146450
No but the anti AI terminally online luddites with zero concept of nuance or critical thinking are.

>>714146653
>Ants are coping and seething for not wanting their ant hill to get stepped on
You sound like a cuck
Either ways, the luddites were a huge threat for the kikes, which is why you still hear about them as a boogeyman two centuries later lol

>>714146768
You're just spewing but keep pretending you're having an effect on the times. The story was passed down to mark the futility of the replaced and redundant. Freedom fighters? No. Pebbles kicked off the walk.

>>714146843
That's cool, you can interpret it however you want, kike cocksucker.
Either ways, despite the luddites being righteous in their cause, it still doesn't have anything to do with me as a consumer not paying for AIslop no matter how many times you call me a luddite.

>>714146919
>the selfish bastards that wanted more expensive and less efficient goods
>righteous
pick one and only one

>>714147012
I'm done talking about luddites with you because your comparison is retarded anyways.
I'm a consumer, not a producer. I will not be paying money for AIslop.

>>714147126
>I'm copping out because I know I'm wrong

>>714147157
Still not paying money for AIslop hahaha
Sorry, friend, not gonna be a piggie at your trough.

Good marning saars! Not buying your sloppy 120$ promt, jeet. Also mark your worthless slop so i can filter it, thanks.

>>714147356
based

>>714110041
Nigger, we already had all this discussion decades ago. Except last the time you and your kind were sperging about PROCEDURAL GENERATION and how it will completely kill all gaming.
Now almost every single game uses procedural algorithms during development yet you somehow got your tongue stick in the ass. Imagine if someone hunted game devs for using fucking speedrees in their game
>"NOOO YOU CANNOT JUST USE MATH TO DO IT, YOU HAVE TO PLACE IT MANUALLY!"
>"IT WILL INCREASE DEV TIME TENFOLD? I DON'T CARE REEEEEE"
Also somehow we have big games like Genshin have probably the biggest entirely handmade maps ever made, down to the single blade of grass like a painting. Yet you will somehow find an excuse that it's still a bad thing.
Same thing with AI. You are just a mentally ill retard and there is no point arguing with you.

>>714112651
Atheists? What?

>>714147702
That jeet thinks AI is God lol

>>714148003
>aijeet thinks that hating AI will make his god love him

>>714147639
>Also somehow we have big games like Genshin have probably the biggest entirely handmade maps ever made, down to the single blade of grass like a painting. Yet you will somehow find an excuse that it's still a bad thing.
This always gets a chuckle out of me too. A lot of the people saying x is soulless hate Genshin. It's hilarious, that's just nutjobs.

>>714106641 (OP)
It's going to be impossible to discuss this game now isn't it?

>>714148580
I was on Alter threads with only a few replies saying that I was still a ways away from finishing it. Now I deleted the game. Only made it to Act 2. Was on my way to figuring out what the deal with the big gravity well thing was and also why the sheep died.

I simply do not want to support AI slop and I am very disappointed in 11 Bit Studios. This War of Mine and Frostpunk were incredible games. What a damn fucking shame.

And yeah, all I'll ever post about this game now is ">AIslop", it is what it is.

>>714148580
Yup, the devs made two big fuck ups.
First half assing the use of AI where the prompts were still left in
Second and more importantly, not disclosing it. If they did the latter, you'd see them get more slack, but they thought they could pull a fast one and got caught.

>>714148860
One thing I'll say as >>714148762 is that it feels fucked that Clair Obscur did basically the same thing but because so many people loved the game, no one cared. Whereas The Alters is more niche so it gets more blowback for it.

Still, this extremist response exists for a reason. This AIslop has very obvious repercursions on the long term quality of vidya and I am not gonna pretend otherwise.

>>714148860
The only mistake is trying to make excuses when arguing with mentally ill people. Their reply should've been "shut the fuck up, NIGGER, and let us develop the fucking game"

>>714148762
If you were enjoying the game and stopped playing it simply because of that, then I seriously suggest you think about whether that is sane behavior or not anon.

>>714148981
Short term thinking.
This game is good, yes, even with the small amounts of AIslop it has.
Supporting these games is giving kikes ammunition to have nothing but slop a decade or two from now.
I am doing my part not to support AIslop as early as possible. The snowball is only gonna keep rolling and get bigger if people at large hand-wave it away. I don't want to be a part of that.

>>714148963
>Unoriginal damage control
Congrats, you just made it worse.

>>714149068
You can't stop technology anon. You can simply try to encourage it's used properly.
Besides, if AI does revolt the kikes who tried to chain it will be the first ones dead.

>>714147356
nah seeing you seethe is too funny

>>714149095
What damage, retard? No one gives a fuck about some mentally ill technically liberate faggot screeching on the internet. Literally fucking everyone uses fucking math algorithms to develop the fucking video games and nobody gives a fuck. Just how retarded you need to be to not understand it.

>>714149169
I just don't see it that way. If I thought this game was the worst AIslop would ever get, I wouldn't mind, but I think anyone who supports it is signing to the industry that AI can be used competitively as an advantage to give you a leg over the competition that doesn't use AIslop. By supporting this I am literally cucking myself on the long term.

And sure, there's a high likelihood that I will get cucked either ways and it will be nothing but AIslop, since consumers are cattle. But at least I'll know I wasn't part of it.

>>714149234
>Double digit vocabulary response
And such a vulgar, uncreative vernacular too.

>>714149293
Wow, just like every game is now 100% procedurally generated, right?
God, I hate you, underage zoomers, so fucking much.

>>714144105
>faggot seething about AI on the internet larping as some redpilled reconquista warrior
lel

>>714149396
We're having a civil discussion here anon.

>>714149387
>nooo he said le bad word, mommy tell him!
Faggot.

>>714149396
I did shit on procedural generation too. Just like I shat on CGI on movies and shit on it to this day.

But neither of those are even 10% as potentially destructive as AIslop, no. You're not seeing it yet, and hopefully, we'll both get to live in the world where you never realize this when it's too late.

>>714149459
>He mad

>>714149476
The fuck are you talking about, retard? Literally nothing stops you from making entire game procedurally generated. In fact, we even had some games like that. Where are those games now, nigger? You are just a contrarian faggot with no brain.

>>714112164
>Explains why not a single game releasing nowadays is optimized or works properly
That's not AI, that's coding farms of thousands of jeets. Ironically, a white man with AI can do the work of all of them.
>What do they focus on then if they just outsourced 2 of the major points of a game to a jeet chatting with a bot?
Same point as above. Also, creating actual good art with AI goes beyond prompting, you need to have a precise understanding of the terms you want. If you're designing buildings, being an architect will help you generate precise designs that follow your instructions. If you are in charge of character design, knowing terms related to textile design, like terms for fabric or clothing sewing patterns will help you create exactly what you imagine. That will only be able to happen if the person using the AI is someone trained in that field in the first place.
And finally the last one, a good writer won't use AI write his stories. But a good writer will definitely use knowledge bases using tools like Obsidian and will get help from AI to organize all his ideas and concepts through these knowledge bases.
I don't like tards who use AI and then claim that they didn't.
But I also don't like luddites who have an unreasonable hate towards AI, while most of muh think of le artists! crowd ignores that studios were already using armies of thirdworlders before AI.

>>714144561
Its a shame you believe that, ramjeet. I hope you understand soon how layers and exif data works

no one is playing this fucking game anyways lmao

>>714149927
You're even dumber than the jeets.

>>714106756
Yeah they definitely look commited to Trans Parency.

>>714106927
I have "gamers who don't actually game just endlessly cry and are addicted to drama like women" fatigue.

>dev uses AI in two instances that you can barely notice unless you specifically go look for it
>trannies get their chest binders in a bunch and throw an autistic fit about it
every time
why it be like this

>>714151696
It's the current thing.

>>714106641 (OP)
Damage control, but who cares, the overall game is still really good

>>714108043
>employing people is le bad

>>714108043
what a jew

>>714151696
Devs don't even use """AI""" because there is no such thing as AI. Devs use computer generation algorithms which aren't much different from the other procedural generation algorithms they have been using for decades.

>>714106641 (OP)
I hate how hard ai faggots are trying to hide it, Just own up to your laziness holy shit