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It sold well, it's well reviewed but it seems it didn't spawn a plethora of copycats like successful games usually do

Either make Faster Than Light 2 or suffer in irrelevance, gamedev OP

Metal Slug tactics is an ok clone

>>714125172
This game shits all over FTL, though.
Into the Breach is considered a masterpiece and, unlike FTL, won several awards.

>>714122430 (OP)
tactics where every level is a puzzle? yeah

XCOM, XCOM 2, Advance Wars scratch the itch for me.

>>714122430 (OP)
It didn't spawn copycats even though it was successful for the same reason baba is you didn't spawn copycats.

>>714125172
Void War is a worthy FTL successor.

Mobile Suit Baba is a mashup of Into the Breach and Baba is You by the Baba dev.

https://hempuli.itch.io/mobile-suit-baba

>>714122430 (OP)
It's not that easy to copy because it requires effort to design/balance, unlike survivorslop for example.
>>714125951
Yep.

>>714125509
metal slug tactics is much better than the garbage in the op

>>714122430 (OP)
because it's not an srpg, it's more of a puzzle game in how you solve each level.
any tactics games balanced this way always ultimately do poorly comparatively because it's not what people want, they want real srpgs not puzzles in disguise

>>714126356
Let me guess, you boughted without realizing it was a ouzzle game huh?

>>714122430 (OP)
try fire emblem conquest
the main idea in into the breach is the pushing strategy you abuse in early game fft too

>>714122430 (OP)
Only copycat I'm aware of is Arc Seed, and it's still in EA and the last time I tried, it was pretty messy compared to Into the Breach.

>>714122430 (OP)
Because it takes significant effort to make a game as tightly designed and good as Into the Beach

>>714125951
I know of at least one baba is you copycat

>>714129362
which is?

>>714122430 (OP)
https://store.steampowered.com/app/1520760/Tyrants_Blessing/

It looks like a pre-iphone cellphone game
FTL looked like a proper game
Am I being a peasant?

>>714126394
>they want real srpgs not puzzles in disguise
Maybe you are playing the game wrong
>Play Rift Walkers(literally unlocked at the start)
>All power to the robot punch attack
>???
>win
Only Blitzkrieg and the Judo robots require careful planning everyone else you can play like a FF tactics game

>>714130012
I can see why you would think that, especially with the cutesy looking graphics but it's legit one of the most carefully designed games out there. Like it's the opposite of shovelware

>>714122430 (OP)
You might not believe me but this might as well be a sequel to that game
unfortunately not as complicated, tho
and very long winded to boot

>>714122430 (OP)
What're some pitfalls I should avoid if I'm trying to make turn-based strategy/tactics game?

>>714122430 (OP)
https://impy.itch.io/monster-monsoon

>>714131458
Well, are you trying to make one like Into The Breach? Because it's really more of a puzzle game. Everything important is on one screen you can study like a chess board. Damage and health are low enough to add up in your head. Tiles and units are big and easy to read. Everything's in broad strokes instead of a million miniscule effects to worry about, and once you know what you're doing you can blow through a turn really quickly instead of wading through menus

>>714122430 (OP)
power dolls 1-5

>>714131458
play a bunch of turn based games and think about what you like about them and what you don't like

>>714122430 (OP)
Metal slug tactics and tyrant's blessing come to mind. There are tons and tons of turn based tactics games, what particular quality of ItB are you looking for?

>>714131458
I'm no expert but discouraging passive playstyles and turtling seems like a good idea.
Secondary objectives that provide long term rewards for difficult short term fights are always good.

Try to make the maps not feel samey, have different victory conditions and maybe some gimmick maps.

>>714134424
>Secondary objectives that provide long term rewards for difficult short term fights are always good.
this is a very good idea seconding this

>>714126394
the firaxis xcom games are just as much disguised puzzle games as into the breach is, down to being able to predict or force enemies to do things you want them to do

>>714122430 (OP)
Advanced Wars. Battles are just puzzles.

Bug Hunter

>>714122430 (OP)
xcom 2 (the new one) unironically
I like neither
>>714125880
xcom 1 (the new one) doesn't work on the same system, ironically, it's more of a traditional affair where your soldiers can take a punch and you don't suck cock if you fail at MUH PERFECT PUZZLE

>>714135096
>kill 8 enemies
what now, smokey?

>>714135294
>hmm maybe i should choose the objectives that my team don't suck at

>>714131458
play Civ 5 BNW and Civ BERT
even if you don't "learn" anything, you'll know if something is missing from your game (especially from BERT as they shoved all their money in graphics and music, leaving zero for UI, writing, and gameplay elements)
also if you don't have a shitload of money you'll have to either do a bunch of graphics/art direction or sound/music... because without those things the game is utter shit, yet those things eat up budget

>>714135116
What’s wrong with advance wars?

>>714135540
it's one of the two star objective missions. you don't get 9 rep on the island without it.

>>714122430 (OP)
Tactical Breach Wizards is kinda similar

>>714135643
dunno, never played it
only played xcom1/2 (new ones) and into the gash

>>714135294
Oops, the smoke is now a thunderstorm

>>714136865
>when you buy weed from a non-white humanoid

>>714122430 (OP)
diofield

not exactly the same but when I was playing cobalt core I kept getting into the breach vibes
I think if you liked that youll like this

>>714135096
>storm generator not equipped
shiggy diggy

>>714125172
https://pricklypeargames.itch.io/wodopom

>>714122430 (OP)
Because it's not that good. Kinda soulless actually.

>>714126069
>the setting is literally 40k
How the hell did the devs get away with this?

>>714140781
u can't copyright ideas uwu

>>714135096
I just do 3x ice launcher and zoltan starter pilot if I want to get 4 islands zero casualties on hard.

>>714130012
What the fuck are you talking about? FTL looked like way more of a mobile game than Into the Breach did

>>714139530
>you discard your whole hand every turn
I suck at this. The only thing that works for me is skipping out on most new card picks (most of them suck anyway) and destroying cards until I have only around eight. Maybe I should've tried Breachway instead of this.

>>714126069
It failed to differentiate itself from FTL and just looks like a well made mod.

>>714140781
40k is just Dune and a bunch of assorted 2000AD comics

>>714122430 (OP)
What you're looking for is called a tabletop game

>>714125735
Maybe but I liked ftl much more

>>714122430 (OP)
Why did the studio that made FTL and Into The Breach fuck off? They made the advanced edition updates and that's it.

So, something of a tactical puzzle game? I want to say fights in tight spaces, but I haven't had the chance to try it.

>>714122430 (OP)
Fights in Tight Spaces, Nitro Kid, and Metal Slug Tactics. Unfortunately the first two have deckbuilding mechanics (I don't mind them but it's not my preference), and Metal Slug Tactics is way worse than ITB (it's still good, but ITB is a difficult bar to pass).

>>714125735
There's no need to argue, FTL and ITB are both masterpieces. When are these assholes releasing another game anyway?

>ctrl f puzzle
>8 results
People have been saying this about turned based strategy games since Panzer General. Even single player RTS scenarios can be "puzzle like". It's how it goes.

>>714147392
The AMA stated they're working on a variety of prototypes, you can play one here
https://play.date/games/fulcrum-defender/

>>714122430 (OP)
>>714134903
This. Best game in UFO 50.

>>714147631
Which AMA? Are there more prototypes? Only the one you shared is on their website

>>714125735
But it's not as good or fun as FTL

>>714122430 (OP)
Metal Slug Tactics
Tactical Breach Wizards
Dofus
Wakfu
Fae Tactics
Fights in Tight Spaces
Sword of Convallaria
Mewgenics
Happy Bastards
Solasta
The Last Spell
Astral Throne
Crawl Tactics
Gears Tactics
Vestaria Saga
XCOM
Dark Deity

My favorite in these are Tactical Breach Wizards and Dofus. Tactical Breach Wizards has the most polished user experience of any tactics game (but is too easy), Dofus has the most cohesive/emergent tactics.

>>714122430 (OP)
I liked Militia. Simple rules, satisfying combos. It used to be available for free on Android, too, but got taken off entirely.

>>714148656
I wanted to revisit Dofus recently because I beta tested it and was feeling nostalgic but the game is so ugly compared to how it appeared in beta. What the fuck were they thinking?

>>714131458
Avoid in-turn randomness. Not having in-turn randomness enables the player to roll-back their actions. Allowing roll-back is the best user interface to allow players to plan their turn.

Everything else is secondary.

>>714122430 (OP)
I heard that the Godzilla voxel game plays similarly.

>>714122430 (OP)
tactical breach wizards I guess
metal slug tactics feels like a completely different genre
puzzles require structure and ITB gets there by limit enemy movement and attack pattern
metal slug doesn't do this : it's more like xcom without the risk management component

>>714122430 (OP)
>last game on steam 2018
Are they working on anything new or was that it?

>>714147631
This is what they've been working on since 2018? It looks like a shitty idle phone game. How upsetting. I was really expecting more from them, considering how fun FTL is.

>>714131458
fog of war is a mess to balance in high stakes games like xcom but pretty rewarding if you manage to pull it off (firaxis couldn't)
healing can potentially ruin your game

>>714149043
I played the demo of Kaiju Wars not long ago. It seems heavily inspired by Godzilla 2 for the NES, but I couldn't stand the gameplay.

I'm waiting for this to come out

there is a baba is you version
https://hempuli.itch.io/mobile-suit-baba

Makes you realize that this kind of game is so hard to make right that it barely has any clone or even predecessors, unlike games like survivorslops.

>>714140658
this, it's overrated crap

>>714150618
If you could name better grid based games aside from those already mentioned and discussed prior to your post I would sincerely enjoy that.

>>714131458
Don't use hexagon tiles. Every now and then, some developer gets the idea that hexagons allow more movement options, but it just ends up removing the soul from the game.

>>714131458
No stealth mandatory missions unless it is a Commando like

>>714122430 (OP)
Bug hunter from ufo 50

>>714122430 (OP)
seet

>>714149203
very nice