Remember to sign the EU petition to prevent corporations from stealing the videogames you buy years later.

https://www.stopkillinggames.com/

what happens if they win

>>714129545
The EU parliament has to debate the issue. Remember how Apple got forced into using USB C? That was because of yurop

I will not sign your communist agenda

STOP
SPAMMING
YOUR
COMMIE
BULLSHIT

>>714129906
>>714129871
>communism is when consumers own the things they buy, capitalism is when people can take away your property and the goverment enforces monopolies on ideas via copyright laws

>>714129871
"Consumers can buy things and own them" sounds like the opposite of communism but you do you

[Anchor post]

You can't own a service.

>>714130023
See >>714130375

>>714130296
See >>714130375

Dorry Original Poster, But I Can Not In Good Conscious Sign This Communist Agenda!!!

>>714130375
But I can own the copy of the game that connects to the service, and have a version of it that doesn't need the service to function or a way to provide a substitute to the service on my own machine, you retard.

Anyways, all this is irrelevant because we're on pace to get the million signatures and win anyways. At this point we're posting the petition everywhere to ensure we have a healthy margin just in case. We are already the winning side and you're all just crying losers who have no choice but to observe us win. Have fun!

>>714129545
EU parliament dismisses it.

>>714130375
>still pushing this retarded talking point that's already been shut down

>>714130560
>still losing to a key flaw that has never been countered

>>714130535
Will do!

>>714130375
Then stop selling your service as a product. Tell me the expiration date from day 1 or fuck off.

Nearly 1 in 200 Finns have signed this.
Keep being autistic you mongolian bastards and remember:
Benis in bagina :DDDD

>>714130894
>Then stop selling your service as a product.
Sweetie, it's all there in fine print.

>>714130929
I've been in Finland and it's the most based country ever. Stay based.

>>714130375
>[Anchor post]
*[Gay post]

>>714131034
Sorry about your thread

>>714130429
A corporation trying to claim a specific piece of art is a "service" just because they said so doesn't make that actually true or that the law should validate that

>>714129545

>>714131209
Who's the sperg they'll throw out to present this?

>>714130375
Subscription/freemium games like MMOs are services. One-time purchases are goods. SKG is only focused on the latter.

>>714129906
don't think i will. besides this is sanctioned by the longnoses

>>714131191
You must be confused. This thread is about video games, not art.

>>714131282
>SKG is only focused on the latter.
No, it aims at MMOs too but I think the ambition there is more either for a clear explicit expiration date on the box from day 1 or the devs leaving behind enough support for fans to make their own servers *easily* after the game closes shop one day.

>>714129525 (OP)
I'm American but the form doesn't verify shit, so I've done at least 20 dummy signatures. Super easy, there's no excuse anons!!!

Let's get to 1,000,000!

>>714131556
>besides this is sanctioned by the longnoses
lol it's not promoted in any algorithms at all

>>714129871
>communism is when thing i don't like

>>714131282
Purchased games can also fall under services, so you're wrong.

I wish we still had /vint/ to see flags.

>>714131653
Don't do this. The signatures are verified after.

>>714131653
Kek just reported this to to ECI. Thanks!

>>714131653
ironic shitposting is still shitposting

>>714131635
I could have phrased that better. Primarily, SKG is focused on distinguishing which games are goods and which are services.
>>714131713
No. Goods and goods and services are services. A video game license (which you own, according to EU law) is a good.
Here is the existing law on the matter:
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/dir/2019/770/oj
Directive (EU) 2019/770 of the European Parliament and of the Council of 20 May 2019 on certain aspects concerning contracts for the supply of digital content and digital services
Relevant sections:
Article 3(1)
>States that the directive applies to contracts where digital content/services are supplied in exchange for payment or personal data.
Article 7
>Sellers must ensure the digital content remains accessible and usable throughout the contract period or, for one-off purchases, for a reasonable period expected by the consumer.
Article 14
>Termination is allowed only under specific conditions, such as lack of conformity or breach by the other party. It does not grant sellers blanket rights to revoke access unless the consumer breaches the agreement or as contractually agreed under fair terms.
All of this put together is to say: digital licenses for video games are products and cannot be arbitrarily revoked. It also gives you the right to a functional product, as outlined by Article 7(a)
>be of the description, quantity and quality, and possess the functionality, compatibility, interoperability and other features, as required by the contract
If a game you purchased is rendered non-functional by the seller then they have violated the established contract.

>>714129525 (OP)
I don't support government overreach
Vote no for oppressive government.

>>714129545
The EU parliament will take turns ramming this guy >>714130545 in the ass and livestream it.

>>714131282
Digital content not goods. The EU is describing this very accurately and they fall under mostly similar restrictions with digital services (a wow subscription) facing additional clarification and restrictions. Neither is considered a good unless it comes physical on a disc.

SKG is about digital goods and services.

>>714132039
>If a game you purchased is rendered non-functional by the seller then they have violated the established contract
I can just quote your own post to prove you wrong.

>>714131708
>fascist is when thing i don't like
every plen does this

>>714132135
Digital content licenses are treated as being much closer to a good, though they are not legally considered to be 'goods'. They are their own third category because they don't neatly fit into the existing framework of services and tangible goods. That's the whole reason SKG even has to exist in the first place, game companies are taking advantage of the legal ambiguity to fuck people over.
>>714132351
Sure can't, but I'll requote my post to reinforce the point
>>Sellers must ensure the digital content remains accessible and usable throughout the contract period or, for one-off purchases, for a reasonable period expected by the consumer.
If you're going to pull some shit out like
>uh duhh, reasonable period can mean anything
I will not be replying to you.

i am all but positive the only people who are "anti-skg" are shitposters who don't actually care about the topic or people who are pro-skg just stirring the pot to keep discussion going and make people answer every possible retarded question to continuously prove there are no downsides

>>714132464
>game companies are taking advantage of the legal ambiguity to fuck people over.
Absolutely and even if SKG fails I have no doubt that there will be a new directive about it in the future.

>>714132464
You can't predict the future, putting restrictions on game development asking for devs to guarantee the success and support through the duration of the failure of their product is against the spirit of capitalism, is hardcapping creativity, and detrimental to the service games market. A reasonable period can mean anything, as it should when it comes to service games. Glad to be done discussing this with you.

>initiative to end meat slaughter and force plant meat is 90% of the way there
Do Europeans really?

Government and corporations are both the enemy. It is morally correct to turn one enemy against another in order to benefit yourself. If the games industry will not engage in business in good faith then I will have the government force them to.

>>714133771
What you have is called a god complex and it is always moral, logical, and ethical to oppose you since your entire existence revolves around self benefit at the sacrifice of all else. If given the opportunity you would gladly take the role of ruthless dictator and see nothing wrong with it. This is because you were born without a soul. We have given a term for this anomaly, it is called Autism Specrum Disorder.

>>714129545
Every single AAA developer is shut down.

I don't understand muttoid logic
>government... BAD
>corporations... BAD
so which one is it

>>714134449
If you think both of those statements are mutually exclusive then you're retarded

>>714134449
i'm pro SKG but both of those things are true

>>714134449
It is frightening but
>(You), The People... GOOD

>>714134414
all parties at the table think that way

>sign this to make another law
No
Fuck off
The less laws the better.

>>714130994
No it isn't.

>>714134521
>If you think both of those statements are mutually exclusive then you're retarded
I didn't say that but most mainstream political/economic views come down to choosing one
not taking sides here but no government has ever made a video game that I liked
>>714134564
are they?
>>714134638
the truth is that this shit just doesn't work
there's literally no reason why why a billionaire must have the same ""power"" like in voting for instance of sum homosexual homeless drug addict nigga

>>714134946
>I didn't say that but most mainstream political/economic views come down to choosing one
Not really. What you're describing is a false dichotomy designed to trap you into choosing between two bad options. It's reasonable to mistrust both.

>>714134995
what are the alternatives

>>714132046
someone else tell the frogposter the bad news, i'm tired

>>714134414
>Specrum
I type ESL and walk away.

>>714135076
There are none, welcome to the system. You get fucked either way.

>>714129525 (OP)
>>>/pol/
Not videogames.

>>714134789
>everyone is just as evil, lawless, and morally bankrupt as me
No I don't agree. Then again I have a soul.

>>714130375
Good point. Let's kill GAAS

>>714129545
The EU will say "video games are for kids" and just move on

So this whole drama is just because this guy is a narcissist right?

>>714131634
Video games are art thoughbeitfully.

>>714135608
He’s the one pushing for it, or am I mistaken?

>>714135809
He was/is the biggest voice against it.

>>714135608
This faggot is so insufferable. Legit hope a ferret eats his face.

>>714134414
>I wish to own the things I buy
>YOU HAVE A GOD COMPLEX AND YOU'RE ALSO MENTALLY ILL AND AND AND
Jews aren't sending their best today. I guess even evil satanic child mutilating cult religions get a case of the Mondays

>>714131274
i don't think it'd be Ross but it'd be the funniest shit ever if the mold man had to explain to old government fucks what video games are

>>714130375
Yet

>>714135980
Would be revenge for all the dead ferrets

>>714135809
Opposite, he said that he would actively try to stop people from signing

>>714135608
>he's actually hot
wtf

>>714136102

>>714136019
See >>714130375

>>714130375
You can't sell a product as a service then claim the responsibilities of neither.

>>714136160
See >>714131034

>WTF why are Jannies deleting our threads! It's about video games!
>Threads are 24/7 eceleb drama and posts a 2008 newfag would make

>>714129525 (OP)
But /pol/ tells me the EU is bad and that corporations are wonderful angels who we should pledge fealty to.

Can't wait for more developers to grow a spine and talk about it, because I can guarantee that a lot of them don't want their previous work gone and only live on in youtube videos.

>>714136230
Are you accusing The Crew of breaching a service contract?

How fast would this initiative finish if it was opened to American citizens

>>714136530
The biggest hurdle that US based SKG would have is not the citizens, but the US law system being common law. There is already a precedent in US law regarding this that has fucked over so many fights against false EULAs. California is at least hearing out a case vs Ubisoft regarding the crew, but the plaintiffs are so retarded that it might damage the cause further in the US.

>>714136530
USA abides by capitalism and not communism so it would never be proposed to begin with

>>714136660
Literally how would this be different than what the FCC does for television and film?

>>714136530
Would be done already

Reminder that corpo bootlickers are so defensive over their abusive masters that they've once spammed CP to get these threads nuked

>>714136702
What does the FCC do for television and film?

>>714136743
>once

>>714136636
>>714136660
No I just mean if population of the US was magically allowed to participate in this exact EU Citizens' Initiative, not a new one created for the US

>>714136743
Oh they're back to doing that actually

>>714136743
>once
Tried at least 4 separate occasions from my count.

>>714136780
Regulates standards and practices, effectively telling creators what they can and cannot do regarding the creation of their shows. Same shit, different medium.

>>714136796
Ah, I guess it would get a giga-boost I would think, especially with the drama farming that happened in the past week.

>>714136702
FCC is pretty outdated in practice, but I suppose they aren’t much different on principle. The problem would be who’d be the ones regulating, and what they ordain as permissible.

Official "waiting for funny number %" post.

>>714136853
FCC already oversees TV and movies as a service and has no problem with them being services as opposed to personal use.

>700K today
>750K this week
>Maybe 800K if another normietuber decides to cover the case

>>714137178
could be 800k without a youtuber covering it, atm we`re managing about 30k give or take daily, we could end up hitting 800k by saturday without another boost if it stays steady.

>>714136530
fast since most of ross's audience is from the states. same with the big tubers too i'm guessing like moist.

>wake up
>look how much we got yesterday
>32,294
>32% MORE than the day before
What the fuck is going on?

Reminder that the damage done by the gay furry has already been undone so if the petition still fails, it's YOUR fault.

>>714129871
>>714129906
So in terms of people who are for SKG
>Gamers
>People who enjoy freedom
>Consumer right activists
>The Postal Devs

People against SKG
>Corporatists
>Libertarians
>Republicans
>Third worlders hired by the first 3 groups

Ferretfucker status?

>>714137587
New big youtuber dropped a vid.

>>714132046
>>714134449
>Reddit Frog
I'm going to now support it to spite you

>>714137649
>People for
>People who enjoy freedom

>People against
>Libertarians

Love this clown world.

>>714137649
I'm a fiscally conservative progressive white male

Reminder that the r/piratesoftware subreddit is entirely locked down. Game Judas is monitoring it and deleting every single post that even mentions the SKG drama. He's really trying to keep a lid on the situation so his audience doesn't find out what a massive POS he is. He's also not making new videos until it blows over because there are too many comments calling him out for him to deal with.

>>714137587
the fire rises

>>714137724
>He doesn't know

>>714129545
Then the videogame industry collapses

>>714137768
>I went to a community to troll them and I got banned
;_;

If you go to a bar, pay for drinks, and have a good time, then one day the bar is no longer profitable and the owner has to shut it down because they can no longer pay rent. You don't own the bar. It's a service. That's the same with video games. It's no longer profitable for the owner so they can shut it down if they want. You have no ownership over their property.

>>714129525 (OP)
no
go fuck yourself, thief

>>714137950
>3 dorks world wide can play a game 30 years ago on a dead server
One of the comfiest games I've had is a slav, an american, a finn and myself joining an old ass Half Life DM server. That shit was funny.

>>714135373
that's why you will end up ass up in a south-east asian prison.

first, in this scenario, i would need to part of government have access to the/a army that'd be willing to die for me. second, weak folk love to speak of mercy but the weak is never in the position to show mercy.

>If given the opportunity you would gladly take the role of ruthless dictator
there's only one way to find out.
from my position, i agree with the copypasta. how could i not.
your soul will get you raped

>>714137164
TV broadcasts and film showings have clearly stated expiration times

>>714138040
Video games are goods

>>714137649
>So in terms of people who are for SKG
>MUST PLAY THIS SLOP NOW
>NOOOOOOOO

>high IQ People against SKG
>this game has online DRM? SKIP
>Steam? SKIP
>Shitman 2016? SKIP

pro-tip: not buying slop like Steam works.
Steam would go out of business, which would be a good thing. But keep on getting fucked in the ass and then cry that you are getting fucked in the ass.

>>714138040
If I go to the bar, pay for drinks, talk to the bartender for a bit so I take a little while to drink my drink, but then before I can drink it he takes it away and says that my drink is no longer supported but he keeps my money, I think I'm gonna be pretty unhappy.

>>714138215
but enough about Steam
>no, this drink is banned now
>because ouf tranny employee doesn't like it and gets upset because it has cute girls in it

Stop killing threads.

>>714138282
If a game on Steam gets taken down, but you already bought it, you keep it.

>>714137950
Not my problem

>>714138326
>no updates
>oops, it doesn't work anymore
>good bye
>money stolt

>>714136796
>>714136530
It would have instantly reached a million just to spite Piratefag, but it becoming law would be impossible because the Republicans are in charge and basically pass whatever legislation corporations want through ALEC (American Legislation Exchange Council) which is literally a corporate think tank that writes corporate friendly laws for Republicans to rubber stamp. And no, there is no equivalent for the democrats, who are also right wing trash, but not the actively fucking over people to allow corporations to hoard more money given the Republicans just rammed through a 4 trillion dollar giveaway for the rich at expense of everyone else.
The only way a SKG initiative actually becomes law in America at this point is if game publishers personally slight trump so he now has a reason to spite them and strong arm the Republicans into following along with it. And then you have to hope the publishers don't just send him a big enough bribe to make it go away.

>>714138367
Games don't suddenly stop working because they don't get updates you zoomer retard.

>>714138326
isn't that literally FOMO?

>>714138008
Not even, you couldn't pay me to post on reddit even to troll (and I love trolling/griefing). I just stopped by to see what they thought of the situation and happened upon a fan of his getting banned for asking why the subreddit was dead.

>>714138456
Would you rather you didn't keep the game?

>>714138429
it doesn't need to be law in America if the game gets banned in the EU for not following their laws.

>>714138439
>suddenly
of course not, only when a certain evil corporation forces you onto another OS and forces you to buy a new PC
(but also when you were retarded and installed Windows 10 or 11, then a random patch may actually destroy the game)

>>714138519
I would rather prefer to own the game and have a physical used market, where I can buy games that are out of print.
TL;DR: Fuck Steam

>>714137950
>pic
sounds based, where do I sign

>>714138519
so you agree that Steam is using FOMO tactics?

>>714138590
Just pirate games at that point.
The developers don't get money from you buying used games, so there's literally no point to it.

>>714138682
>just steal
no, I will instead buy physical games and skip Steam.
why would I give an evil corporation money that literally fucks everyone over and is anti-customer?

>>714138645
When a game is decided to be taken down, it's taken down immediately.
There's no period of time where people become aware that a game is gonna disappear so they don't have an opportunity to rush buy it out of FOMO.

>>714138524
That's probably the best way to get it done in America, I.E. bypass the legislator entirely, but in terms of a home grown attempt, I'm just pointing out why it's almost certainly DOA.

>>714138682
>ownership has no point
keep coping, Steamie
>but but we CARE about developers
No, you don't Steamie, otherwise you wouldn't give Steam any money, because it fucks Indies over and grabs 30% for nothing in return.

>>714138730
>decided
did it violate any laws?
If yes, then that may be reasonable, but the question would be: why was it sold in the first place.
if no, then it should be illegal to do so.

So it is FOMO.
FOMO means you fear of missing out, which is the case on Steam all the time, because you never know when the trannies ban another game.

>>714135608
From what I gather, SKG's campaign stalled out because there wasn't a tangible villain to fight. Sure you had the corporations themselves, but they've been around for so long, it just creates apathy on the side of the gamers where they just don't care.
Enter this rat and suddenly you have someone to not only work again, but he show reaction to your work knowing it's working.
tl;dr SKG needing a villain they could see.

>SAR WHY DID YOU REDEEM THE PETITION YOU BLOODY BASTARD
Your response?

Still needs 10k/day for a whole month, this shit gonna fail hard. Hope you faggots are ready for the smuggest piratesoftware you have ever seen

>>714139153
>ready for the smuggest piratesoftware you have ever seen
smugger than Billy after Karl?

>>714139212
That'd be a lot of smug.

>>714136319
let new games die come play old game

>>714139212
Yes anon, it will be glorious. The only bad thing is that ross wont seethe like karl did to make it even funnier

>>714138214
>>this game has online DRM? SKIP
>>Steam? SKIP
>>Shitman 2016? SKIP
so why are you "against" it again? it sounds to me that you would be completely indifferent to the matter

>>714138173
Glad to know I was spot on with you.
>>714138179
Yeah it's just practical and informative to let them know the runtime. Doesn't work so well with vidya.

>>714139315
because I don't give money to scam artists like Valve, simple as that.
and I'm also not a commie.

Reminder the Twitter campaign starts tomorrow. Make tweets even if you literally have 0 followers

>>714139419
Remind me again where Ross' icon came from, I think it was Commander Keen?

>>714139419
how about you retards stop buying these games, and stop using Steam?
that's a way that actually works, it's not a petition.
Shit like Hitman 2016 should have flopped to send a message that it's unacceptable, which it is.

>>714138682
>the developers don't get money from giving you offline access to their closed service game so there's literally no point to it

>>714139478
Sar....

>>714139478
You are right, it is unacceptable so I'm going to get my government to stop it

>>714139563
>I need daddy government
JUST DO NOT GIVE STEAM MONEY OR SLOP COMPANIES LIKE IOI, YOU FUCKING RETARD.

When IOI is close to bankruptcy, they would officially remove the server requirements.

>>714139478
As long as normalfags exist, shit like gaas will continue and voting with your wallet will do nothing.

>>714139670
Yes

>>714139397
>because I don't give money to scam artists like Valve, simple as that.
once again, how would it follow that you are against an initiative that wouldn't affect you in any way whatsoever
do you crash meetings of the national snowglobe association to scream about how much you disagree with them?

>>714129871
That's alright, amerikkan. It's an EU PETITION anyway. Thanks for you wasting the time and effort in "contrarian" posting.

>>714139670
Hi daddy, this means man is breaking my toys. Put him in jail

>>714139670
The problem with that theory is right... normalfags are retarded. I haven't supported the practice but it keeps happening. I'm not going to rely on normalfags to make smart choices for good vidya to come out.

>>714139341
True, but the point is the conditions for service termination are explicitly stated. I can't think of any service industry that operates differently, other than video games

>>714139696
>it's normies
so what?
why would I care what normies or retards like you buy?
it doesn't affect me.
>but but you want woke slop too
I don't.

>>714139706
because it's commies.
I hate commies.
fuck you.
also I don't want government to fuck more up, because that's what they do. Government should have zero power and should cease to exist.

>>714139478
I'm sorry. I'll try not buying Hitman 2016 even harder. That'll surely achieve something

>>714139740
>but it keeps happening.
if you aren't retarded, it won't affect you.
duh
normies will learn when their digital liebraries disappear.
meanwhile I own all my games on physical media.
I will laugh when it happens.

>>714139818
Good goy

>>714139826
>I care about games that I don't have

>>714139869
You say that FIFA games still sell year after year and break records.
Voting with your wallet is imbalanced because not buying is one vote, being a normalfag retard is unlimited votes. It bothers me because resources that could go to good games are instead spent on this shit.

>>714139745
Anything with a "lifetime warranty" is a service that can and will expire at some unknown time in the future.

>>714139908
not falling for that socialist scum.

>>714139869
Look up disk rot

>>714139942
and?
I don't care about FIFA.
They can make it streaming only.

>>714139985
discs are not made out of iron, idiot.

>>714140028
>And?
And resources that could go to new good games are spent on that shit.
Don't forget the billions that Sony spent on Bungie. Hilarious, but sad that money just had to be burned like that with no tangible result.

>>714139818
>Government should have zero power and should cease to exist.
post homestead
how else will you live without all the infrastructure around you?
>but free trade wi-
the corporations will become new government entities should the original government fall, so you're back to square one.
>alright, well the corporations should go too
your city or town will start its own government in that case, and you will be expected to pitch in or be punished, just like every other government

>>714140080
>good games
>shit developer
choose one
>snoy
>good games
choose one

>>714140083
>le infrastructure
that I paid for multiple times, you fucking socialist retard.
>I work for my daddy government more than half the year
>wow, nice, free healthcare and free roads and free government indoctrination camps

>>714139985
myth

>>714140170
Okay. I'm just letting you know. It's your games on the line.

>>714131831
What's that? We shouldn't fake votes if we want the initiative to pass?

>>714139920
I care about the industry as a whole, so that I'll have more games. You're content to do nothing until you've been completely removed from the market. Then you'll continue to impotently seethe on imageboards about how shit modern games are as if that'll suddenly materialize something that appeals to you

>>714140168
also
>free wars
>free war crimes
>free funding DEI and tranny shit
>free brainwashing kids so that they chop their genitals off
wow, government is really worth it.
yay, taxes

>>714139818
Sorry but we're not going back to feudalism because you want free toys

>>714140229
Why would you do that?
I don't care about shitphone games, because I don't have a shitphone and even if I had, I wouldn't play that garbage.
do you also file petition, so that woke slop games are removed by your daddy government?
if you cared, you would do that. and that also wouldn't make sense.
go woke go broke - works
go online DRM go broke - would work too

>>714140204
I wouldn't worry about me.

>>714140252
you have no clue about history
>free toys
in your socialist shit hole, you literally pay for everything multiple times.
I would instead prefer paying directly for something ONCE, and saving my money.
Of course I'm not a retarded socialist.

>>714140234
post homestead

>>714140280
Unlike woke, live service won't die on its own. You already knew that, and you're going to tell me it doesn't effect me if I don't buy it, which begs the question, why use the "go broke" argument if it doesn't even apply?

>>714140660
>no, no Hitman wouldn't die if no one bought it
are you retarded?
>but Fortnite
Fortnite is a good game. Probably the only "live service" game, that is also actually live service and actually free.

>>714129525 (OP)
>some old physical media already no longer functions

Does SKG cover this? I paid for it. I deserve a replacement.

>>714140323
And who will enforce that single sale regulation without any governing body existing?
>it will just happen!
This is why everyone calls libertarians housecats.

>>714140765
>if no one bought it
There is no reality in which this happens so why even bring it up?

>government good when they are puppets of corpos
>government bad when they protect customers
explain this ancap sisters

>>714140808
>single sale regulation
are you stupid?
I WANT a road in front of my house, I PAY for that ONCE.
I don't want woke slop, so I don't pay for it, in fact I never order it.

>>714140845
again: I don't care. I don't give Steam any money.
You probably do. You give out retard vibes.

>>714140939
>I WANT a road in front of my house
Then start digging.

>>714140876
Libertarians are just Republicans bro, it's always been a grift. Their arguments are totally disingenuous and are just supposed to muddy the waters and keep the corporate money train coming.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YBmMKj1wcPY

>>714141012
you know there is a crazy concept.
I do a specific work, others build roads.
I pay them to build my road.
I don't need a socialist government, who will charge me anyway for my road, and then do a SHIT JOB at it.

there's no way those 200K signatures are real and not just bot spam

>>714141109

>>714141105
So you want a government. Thought so.

>>714141157
>I can't read
t. ESL

>>714141203
Why do you even want a road? You don't even have property a car, or anywhere to go to.

>>714141007
What's your point? If you're so apathetic to the whole thing you're better off spending your time playing some of those games you like

>>714141105
Where's this road going to go? Maybe your neighbors don't want a road in front of their own houses

>>714141339
>you can't have a car without daddy socialist government
>without daddy socialist government, there is no need to go anywhere
actually with socialists you lose and work your ass off, to then get fucked even more in the ass.
>but my healthcare is free
it's not, dumb fuck. and it sucks.

>>714141370
No, I like to disrupt shill threads like this, because I hate communists and I hate the commie EU.

0.04% and we get the funny number.

>>714141415
>maybe
>but my daddy government will do whatever they want, therefore the opinion of people is irrelevant
sounds great.

>>714141147
So long, Judas.

>>714141475
Communism is when you own goods.

>>714141419
>you can't have a car without government
Correct. Who enforces your title of ownership of the vehicle? It says here that I own it and now you.

>>714135608
1, maybe 2 solid public crashout moments from this nerd and this petition would be a shoo-in.

>>714129871
I'm trans btw

>>714141524
>Communism is when you own goods.
hahaha

>>714141524
See >>714130375

>>714141541
me paying for it does, retard.
>but they will have online DRM
so just like now with your socialist government?
>but you can't choose what you buy
I do, unlike with the socialist government.

>>714141687
>me paying for it does, retard.
Ok well I paid a towtruck to take it to my place. I have it now. It's mine since I own it now.

>>714136743
They've done it multiple times

>freedom is important to me
>oh, my freedom to play games I bought? no, I obviously mean the developers freedom to withdraw a game from existence after people paid for it

FACT: Pirate software will be responsible for saving video games. He tried to shut down this whole thing with false information, fallacies and refusing to talk in a honest equal ground but instead will end up saving it by being such an unlikable piece of shit, everyone will sign the petition just so he doesn't get his way. He'll probably lose most of his following. The greatest sacrifice and contribution to saving video games movement only second to Mold man himself. This movement would probably fail without his contributions with the whole making one side look so bad people don't want them to win the thing. If I was schizo I would even say Mold man himself mindcontrolled him to use him as a falseflag controlled opposition to make corpo shills look even worse.

So 1 year later when new laws are established, remember the unwilling puppet who was responsible for saving the video games. Remember pirate software for he will truly live up to his name at last. By freeing video games.

Hang on, this whole thing can be solved if EU just adopts the same laws as the US OR puts on their boxes that the game will need to be revived by the fanbase after XX amount of years when they no longer have a server for it?

>>714141851
>on their boxes

>>714141821
>freedom is important to only me
>I don't care if my freedom comes from taking from others freedom

>>714141851
>if EU just adopts the same laws as the US
You mean if they turn heel and make consumer protections illegal?

>>714141841
>Try to shutdown/oppose a movement so hard that it makes the movement stronger
Is there a name for this type of thing?

>>714141959
Don't know. Ross just said SKG doesn't work in the US due to laws but it might still in the EU.

>>714141945
>oy vey! you say it's a free country yet you're trying to take away my freedom to cheat you!

>>714141945
>freedom means destruction of property, but only for corporations

>You'll own nothing and be happy about it

Wow what about my freedom to steel the games you bought from you?

>>714139478
You're right. The average consumer should vote with their wallet. That always works.

>>714142026
Next time read the fine print

>>714141419
You really can't. You think a one man band is going to make a car for you? Manufacturing needs manpower, organization, a chain of command, collaboration with other organizations. Now you have a government of sorts. Now let's look at your house. A construction company built it, but then instead of selling it directly to you, they sold it to the landlord who'll pay more than you for the opportunity to lease the land to you. Now you've got the whole neighborhood being governed.
As more and more companies are formed the clients start feeling like they're being taken advantage of so they band together and boycott the worst of them. Realizing the power they have in numbers they form an organization which has a small number of representatives handling the organization's problems. They delegate an armed organization to enforce their demands against the businesses, and eventually their constituents. And now we have an actual government.
You can't have society without government, and you can't have shit without society

>>714142085
i never signed any contract

>>714142085
Even American law has stipulations against unfair contractual terms.

>>714142067
See >>714130375

>>714142068
See >>714130375

>>714141521
Anon you aren't getting a road in front of your house. I'm putting my house on the unclaimed land in front of your house

>>714142128
You did.
>>714142132
A service ending isn't unfair.

>>714142240
>A service ending isn't unfair.
Where does it say I'm buying a service on the steam store page?

>>714141987
The Streisand effect

>>714142082
It does, see go woke.
When the customer does not care, why should I?

>>714142316
Kinda? But that's more trying to obscure something so it becomes more well known vs being very vocal about it negatively and that somehow leading to it being seen positively.

>>714142224
>unclaimed

>>714142256
It's stated somewhere. Not sure where exactly.

>>714129545
When.
When, we win.

>>714142256
you agreed that you are a subscriber when you created your subscriber account.

>>714142395
Just took both plots of land, including your house. I'm claiming them.

>>714142240
No I didn't.

>>714142395
I don't see your name on it fagola

>>714142462
You try to steal my property and I shoot you.
Simple as.
What you gonna do now? Run to your socialist government and cry, sissy?

>>714142501
on what?

>>714136034
Honestly, it might be better to go for broke and just say corporations can't shut off anything you already bought unless it's very clearly spelled out you're renting it.
I remember some corporate shill saying a car company has the right to remote kill your engine, while saying you still technically own the car. Just go for legislation that stops that.

>>714142601
>you need to tell people that Steam is a scam.

>>714142579
On the land. What's your claim to it?

>>714136034
>"... more on that later, but first let's talk about the music".

>>714142530
You lowered your gun when you saw I brought 50 armed men with me. My house. Also my gun now. God I love the lawless feudalism of libertarians.

>>714142645
>claim

>>714142468
You agreed. It was required to play the game the first time you booted it up.

>>714142704
>I bought 50 armed men
no, you didn't, because you are a poorfag socialist.
>but I am the socialist government
gotcha
I don't see people invading other countries, but I see socialist governments invading other countries. weird. Almost as if they are evil.

>>714142704
>my socialist government will stop all crim-ACK
you are a special kind of socialist retard

>>714142761
>no, you didn't, because you are a poorfag socialist.
That's you now, homeless, begging for free shelter, food, and warmth. I'm king of my 50 man tribe.

>>714142812
Crime? Who determines that? I found the house deserted.

>>714129871
Based post

>>714142452
That's weird, why does it say i'm purchasing a product then?

>>714132351
what exactly are you quoting here retard. how does that disprove anything he said when your original statement was
>> 714131713
>Purchased games can also fall under services, so you're wrong.
bottom line: AAA is fucked already

>>714142761
>>714142812
>if we abolish government then surely new ones won't pop up to fill the power vacuum
You clueless nig

>>714142627
Honestly is, it's why I stopped using it.

>>714142952
me regarding my property, which has my name on it

>>714132135
>Neither is considered a good unless it comes physical on a disc.
you are retarded. stop writing.
>you
license to use
>company
license to distribute
what now

>>714143016
It has my name on it now. I erased your name.

>>714142994
>government has control
no, they don't.
they never do.
it's your free choice to comply.

a handful of thugs vs millions of people.
I WONDER WHO WOULD WIN.

>>714132902
>You can't predict the future, putting restrictions on game development asking for devs to guarantee the success and support through the duration of the failure of their product is against the spirit of capitalism, is hardcapping creativity, and detrimental to the service games market
aaaaahahah yea well get fucked.
either give the entire product or fuck off. you can't have your cake and eat it too. you don't get to pack up shop and move on to FIFA 2030 because it suits you more. doesn't suit me

>>714143037
>license to use
doesn't work for physical goods, retard.

>>714143072
>I erased
no, you are dead. I shot you.

>>714143016
You can't govern my actions. Government is badong

>>714143080
A community of libertarians or a bear invasion. Who would win?

We hit funny number %

>>714143138
government shoots you.
I shoot you

literally the same.
but in the latter I don't waste my time and money on shitty criminals.

>>714143162
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TzgTsm2rFGY

>>714143130
>no, you are dead. I shot you
No you didn't. I shot you, I have 50 men.

The time has come.

>>714143218
My 500 white m*le neighborhood shot all the criminals. it's over.

>>714136034
The oldest member of the EU Parliament was born in 1944. The EU already regulates some things in video games. Even if they didn't understand what video games are, they do understand what software is. A lot of important things (such as airports, railways, power stations, etc.) run on old software that is hard to replace, so if it reaches 1 million signatures, they might push it through just to avoid setting a bad precedent.

>>714137768
>Game Judas
I really wish we could make this stick outside of /v/ threads.

>>714142752
I made no such agreement.

>>714143298
>criminals
What's a crime? Nothing I did was against the law.

>>714143130
yes because you fucking retard we're talking about digital goods and that's the loophole that is being exploited you fucking banshod. how retarded does one have to be.
they could fine you for not returning the physical good. what then
you talk about a still emerging market as if it had everything outlined. you are a child

>>714142752
Point to the signature that I made prior to the physical purchase.
If you can't, it's null and void.

>>714143486
You did and this is my last reply to you.

>>714143520
you smell like a criminal, got tattoos like a criminal, therefore we shot you all.
>crime
government construct that's irrelevant

>>714143521
>digital goods
only retards pay for digital downloads lol
next you will ask government to give you rights that you have already when you buy physical lol

>>714143521
>they could fine you for not returning the physical good
no, they can't.

>>714141105
You aren't even going to have a functional currency to pay for the road. What is your fancy paper backed by, good feels?
>but fiat
Fiat works because you've got a government assigning a value to it's fancy paper

>>714143549
I'll point to the one after the purchase. That will work just fine.

>>714143765
>the money is made by le government
ahahahahah
so funny

>>714143298
So you're the government now? Typical revolutionary

>>714143765
>fiat
>government assigning a value to it's fancy paper
The Federal Reserve is a PRIVATE bank, you fucking retard.
your socialist government sold you out, dumb fuck.

>>714143212
it was 65% 22 hours ago :( we won't make it.
pewdiepie better make that video 10 days out.
with 29 days left, that's almost 1% a day that is needed

>>714143608
Looks like we were wearing bullet proof armor. Nice shots though.

>>714143797
no, they don't.
also no signature and thus no valid contract lol
also how will you even do anything, when the game has no online DRM?
>but it does
great, I don't buy these, because I'm not retarded
Keep seething

>>714143882
>federal
>private
Good one

>>714143663
>only retards pay for digital downloads lol
you are retarded. if companies have the upsides of digital they will also have the downsides of it.
digital = tied to my account/life
physical = tied to quality of DVD production and my storage

>>714143812
>>the money is made by le government
It is. Hope you brought something to barter.

>>714143935
>bullet proof armor
>survives multiple rounds from an AR
>and my head survives that too
as always, socialists have no clue about guns.

>>714143727
>no, they can't.
yes, retard, exactly. because it is defined that way.
again, emerging market. now shut up and make people sign it

YOU WILL OWN NOTHING!
YOU WILL NEVER BE HAPPY!

>>714143882
KEKEKEKEK libs are so fucking retarded.

>>714143964
it's not federal
it's also not reserving anything.
the Euro is even more hilarious with its (c) Copyright sign on the "mon eye"

>>714144000
>It is
It isn't.
It's created out of thin air by private banks, retard.
>something to barter
yes, I got the gold.

>>714144012
>>survives multiple rounds from an AR
Did you forget I took that when I took your house for myself?

>>714144113
Actually I have the gold. My self and 50 men took it along with the house.

>>714144116
no, you are dead. remember.
I shot you when you tried to break into my house.
and I did a double tap and shot you in the head afterwards.

>>714129871
>>714129906
>I will not sign your communist agenda
Since when was being able to own the shit you buy communist?!
You utter fucking RETARD.
I'm willing to bet my week's wage that ferret fagtree has his minions itt.

>>714144197
That was the last guy. I came with 50 armed men and cleaned you out. Are you good at hunting for survival? That's what you'll do now. No handouts for you.

>>714144282
>own shit
no one is stopping you to buy physically, no one except your retarded Steamie brain.

>>714143421
It's catching, I've seen a few SO LONG JUDAS comments on his YT channel

>>714144346
my house has tons of traps, your so called "men" (socialists are not men) all got kaboomed.

see a corrupt socialist government would stop me from setting up traps in my house, because they protect criminals.

>>714135583
pretty sure the EU actually gives money to make video games as an art fund thing that's how we ended up with trash like dustborn somehow showing up, but that still means they've put money behind it before.

>>714144113
>It's created out of thin air by private banks, retard.
please stop writing

And I use my McNuke on both of you because your shitflinging over anon's house made someone fall 1mm on my property lines, violating the NAP.

american game company
american gamers
american website
EU wot m8?

>>714144373
>"no one is stopping you to buy physically"
>Buy physical game
>disk is only an activation key
>Sill have to download the game anyway
>Game still needs to be connected to the net for DRM purpouses even after EOL and servers are terminated, locking me out of the product I BOUGHT.
Yeh, get fucked cunt.

>>714144490
The FED owners are making fun of you.
They call you cattle.

>>714144504
>nukes exist

>>714144547
>>Buy physical game
>>disk is only an activation key
That's not a physical release.

>>714144282
A service is not a property.

Just because you own a tennis racket doesn't mean you don't pay to host your game. Get your shit right fag..

>>714144547
>be retarded
>don't do research
>can't visit doesitplay
>oh wow, this one slop game has no data on the disc
your responsibility, your low IQ

what the fuck is even going on in this thread anymore

>>714144654
killing games

>>714144654
11 in the morning in india apparently.

>>714144692
8:30am in israel now
Prepare for the derailment campaign to start again

>>714144424
Now your house is destroyed. Thanks we were going to bulldoze it eventually anyway. Land is still mine.

>>714144548
yes let's go back to the gold standard or some standard like monkeys.
you've shown you have no clue about economy

>>714144548
Don't care. I'm great at monopoly.

>he thinks this petition will make him own the game
>he thinks the eu will pass top notch laws to protect his entertainment
The things you do to not build a good parallel indie economy instead of sucking government cocks and open the doors to corporate lobbyism.

>>714144649
They sell a service when dealing with investors but call it a PRODUCT when selling to gamers and consumers. Only to then turn around to you, me and everyone else and point to TOS that nobody fucking reads. Fuck off, you lolbertcorporate nigger.
>>714144653
Guess what the normies do, faggot. NOT ANY OF THAT.
>>714144604
>That's not a physical release.
No shit, sherlock. Yet the corporations mark it as physical. Honestly they should be done for false advertising.

>>714141105
Oh I'm sorry. I already built a road crossing the path of yours. No, you can't use it, and don't even think about connecting your road to it

>>714129525 (OP)
sure, for a steam gift card

>>714129525 (OP)
GAMERS RISE UP

>>714143663
>only retards pay for digital downloads lol
not everyone is content with smearfest LCD goyim cattle console.
blurays only do 125 GB. call of duty modern 3 2023 cannot be played off disc.
physical delivery method these days is only good for your kiddie games
>https://www.doesitplay.org/list?search=call+of+duty&page=1&order=ReleaseDESC

>>714144986
pm'd you ;)

>>714129545
zombies

>>714129871
>I will own nothing and be happy, because I'm NOT a communist

>>714135608
>narcissist
It used to be only women who threw this slander around. Why have zoomies started doing it, too?

Unless you are a trained psychiatrist, you shouldn't try to make these calls.

>>714129871
>>714129906
>I hate having rights! I want to be ruled by corporate dictators!
Spoken like a true communist

>>714144893
>They sell a service when dealing with investors but call it a PRODUCT when selling to gamers and consumers
A service is a service, someone has to run the infrastructure 24h day for you to play, it's not my problem if you faggots are addicted to multiplayer games and let yourselves use proprietary shit of choosing more flexible community focused realities.

>>714144649
>Just because you own a tennis racket doesn't mean you don't pay to host your game
precisely. i will host my own tennis court :)

>>714144504
At this rate we're gonna have to start rolling dice to see where this hypothetical scenario goes

>>714145113
See >>714130375

>>714144852
The EU did it when it forced apple to switch to type C chargers

>>714145143
Which game system are we using?
I vote for GURPS

>>714145125
I didn't say those things.

>>714145130
Yes, with grandma's money.

>>714144512
Didn't work out for apple. If you sell your product in the EU, you have to follow EU law

it's slowing down
it's over

>>714145204
They have the same meaning

>>714145186
oh my SCIENCE, fuck yeah! this is exactly like forcing a shitty industrial standard over everyone!

>>714137697
It gains traction amongst non-gaming tubers.
Act man's video blew up almost instantly into 100s of thousands of views.
Metatron recently did a 2 hour stream where he was talking about the initiative (This hadnt blown up yet though)

People are finally waking up.

>>714145285
No they don't.

>>714145243
It actually didn't, surprisingly. Got 32K signatures yesterday despite getting 26K the day before. Might be a fluke but it delays the decline by a bit and gets it much closer to hitting the goal.

>>714145334
>Metatron
BASED HISTORY AUTIST

>a million people over hundreds of millions can force industrial regulation
I wonder why this is a failed continent.

>>714145334
Wait a minute that icon...

Lots of brown people seething itt

>>714145334
>Italy is fucked in votes and basically has no coverage
>Italian youtuber does a piece on it
>Its in english

how has this final push gone? what was it at mid june?

>>714145129
>A service is a service,
Then they shouldn't be marking it as a product to consumers.
>someone has to run the infrastructure 24h day for you to play, it's not my problem if you faggots are addicted to multiplayer games and let yourselves use proprietary shit of choosing more flexible community focused realities.
I can't give less of a fuck about multiplayer side of games unless I'm with friends. I care more about single player, and if the single player side of a game I like gets shafted because the servers go down at EOL with no way for me to play SP without a connection then I'm gonna be understandably pissed just as every other schmuck.
If you sold me a service with an expiration date under the guise that it was a product at the counter. Why wouldn't I be ticked off at the end of it?
Let us play and host our own servers. For fucks sake, this wasn't even a problem 20 years ago. You can still play UT2004 despite the official servers being down because players can host their own servers.

>>714145719
630k

You know what's the funniest part?

Every corporation will make your games playable like you want after the end of service, but downgraded so much that you lose interest from how unplayable it is. Because the resolution doesn't talk about game quality and feature it's just about muh service.

You're going to lose anyways, have fun playing without weapons melee only after mommy corp moves on to the next project.

>>714145824
>They're writing fanfiction now

>>714145824
Hi Thor

>>714145719

>>714145824
>Melee weapons only
Oh boy, I love medieval mode!

>>714145882
woah

>>714144649
>>714145130
same anon, you are such a commie fag. you really thought you had a point there. you are retarded beyond belief. please do not write among adults. go play your Tender
he will lose and so will you. i've been here before
(unfortunately i seem to have grabbed only 50% of the screen. my bad. my reply and bet was there)

sign it. it will cleanse your soul

>>714145824
Im pretty sure that falls under malicious compliance and is asking for another EU assrape

>>714145824
That would require SO MUCH more work than just releasing a damn server binary that they already have on their laptop testing stations.

>>714145198
Hell yeah

>>714145734
I am absotely with you in this, but the means you fags are using to achieve this will backfire i can bet what you want about, becuase today it's the government helping you, tomorrow it's the government helping corpokikes at your expenses.

Why do Americans shill corpos so much? I thought they were all for freedom?

>>714145949
Not if weapons are something apart from the product you bought. They're going to play with this shit like every other company does when regulated.

NICE
I
C
E

>>714146061
Americans have been propagandized into thinking only the gubbermint is able to infringe on your freedumbs.

There are so many things wrong with this industry. The moment, the one single moment, someone tries to start a movement to fix ONE of the many, many, wrongs with video games; they get pushback.... from gamers.... Wtf.
Do gamers really like taking it up the butt? Do gamers unironically support and defend shitty practices?!
This movement is such a clear cut thing - do you want more rights, yes or yes - there is no No, unless you're retarded.
Also people who think we should just let companies self regulate are beyond helpless - no fucking company is going to "self-regulate" if it will affect their bottom line, this is why government intervention and regulation is necessary.

>>714146025
Well then how else do we go about this, genius? Petition the corpokikes? The fuck is that going to do? NOTHING. They'll just ignore it. Do we reverse engineer their servers and make our own? Oh boy I hope you like receiving DMCA's to the tune of YMCA.

>BTFOs Apple
>BTFOs Facebook
>BTFOs Google
>BTFOs Sony
>will save vidya
EUbros......I kneel.

>>714129525 (OP)
nice

>>714137768
>that faggot calling people pathetic
>is posting on a forum entirely dedicated to a single person they worship
I almost slapped my friend when he told me he browses reddit.

>>714146258
>Do we reverse engineer their servers and make our own? Oh boy I hope you like receiving DMCA's to the tune of YMCA.
Make a parallel economy dickhead.

>>714146025
What's the recourse then? Tell me your genius idea to save video games.

>>714145824
>OH NO I STILL GET TO PLAY MY GAME BUT IT DOESN'T HAVE THE LOOT BOXES NOW NOOOOOOOOOOOO

>>714146318
>Make a parallel economy dickhead.
And that will work, how?

>nearly 700k
>Month just started
SMELL THAT AIR
WE MIGHT JUST DO IT

Europeans have never written a good law ever

>>714146446
>petition gets thrown out because i botted the votes

>>714146446
It's "let's get this shit done" time to do as much as possible to counteract the discarded/frauded signatures.

>>714146490
>wat is GDPR

EuroGODS......we can DO THIS!!!

>>714145651
pastabros appear to be waking up

>>714146129
That would easily fall under planned obsolecence and malicious compliance still, since its basically an attempt at a get-out gotcha.
All of which EU hates.

And if you mean an extremely absurd case like weapons being DLC then it falls back into directly not following the law because the entire point of it is to leave access to the bought product after EOL.

>>714146548
>what is the retarded law that makes a spam popup appear on literally every single website

>>714137950
that dork? me

>>714146392
For sure moving on and stop being addicted to every goyslop a corporation produces? Why do you guys want to correct every mistake ubisoft makes to play assassin's gaynigger?
>>714146441
Like it worked in every economy with a good amount of free competition and free markets, for every good and service in existence.
>>714146595
>That would easily fall under planned obsolecence and malicious compliance still
Good luck with proving that, it's you VS a squad of corporate lawyers.

>>714145334
>It gains traction amongst non-gaming tubers.
except metatron is also a gaming channel. he has massive gear, almost en par with thequartering
but yes, he did the thing on his main channel

>>714146634
>retard doesnt know that the pop up is only once and it saves your settings for future sessions

>>714129525 (OP)
Because yesterday corpo trash posted cp I will now sign the petition out of spite
Also I hope a lot of them crush and burn
Total corpo death

>>714146269
As much as people shit on EU for their politics, they're pretty based when it comes to certain regulations.

>>714146690
I genuinely didnt know. I was alwasy seeing him as the swords guy.

>>714145882

>>714146446
We had only 450k about a week ago.
Shit is absolutely insane.

>>714146686
>Like it worked in every economy with a good amount of free competition and free markets, for every good and service in existence.
>Doesn't go into detail.
I need details, fag.

You retards need to shill in native languages. Or contact ecelebs and gaming youtubers that shit out content in native languages.
I consoom overwhelmingly English material because I'm terminally online but I guarantee you 8/10 young people in my country don't, despite claiming top 10 English proficiency in EU and whatnot.

>>714146762
Basic economics from thomas sowell should do the trick for you.

>>714146748
If it plateaus at the state its been the entire week it will still hit the votes 2-3 times faster than the deadline will come, and your shitpost shows a RISE in that graph. retard

>>714146686
>Like it worked in every economy with a good amount of free competition and free markets, for every good and service in existence.
This shows how fucking naive you are, dumbfuck. All it takes is for one company to form a monopoly over the market, control the capital flow, and you got yourself a fixed market where market forces are dictated by big corpo. All of a sudden quality, good pricing, competition, all get stamped out because big corpo has a stranglehold over the market.

>>714146748
>editing the original surge on top of the new one to make it seem worse
Disingenuous fucker.
The new surge is better than the original by far.

>>714146686
>Like it worked in every economy with a good amount of free competition and free markets, for every good and service in existence.
something something ISP prove otherwise where my only choice is shit internet because comcast pushed the competition out.

>>714145824
that IS pretty funny
it won't happen, but it is indeed funny you think it will

>>714145651
>>Its in english
which one? playerinsidue? is in english but auto-dub through youtube
>>714146593
i did my part but to no avail it seems. playerinsi already had their video up and the others seem to have ignored the mail or skipped them

>>714146835
>Instead of me simply explaining how it would work itt which might potentially bring people over to my side, go read this book instead.

>>714146593
>Italians will soon be white

>>714146861
>This shows how fucking naive you are, dumbfuck. All it takes is for one company to form a monopoly over the market
A corporation has no monopoly, you give them a monopoly for not moving on and find alternative, and government intervention only cement and worsen all of the bad effects you talk about. The people is not the only one who can lobby in a power structure.

>>714130375
Then why do I need to download a game to my PC or console? Developers should develop Stadia technology so I don't need to download anything.

>>714146839
>>714146959
800k votes is something to be proud of thougheverbeit

>>714146791
i searched for Malta youtubers and streamers from a Maltese IP but there are none. i searched for fifa and fortnite youtubers. it's grim out there. that island is cursed

The fact that the rise and fall of pirate software within a year might cause the initiative to pass is unironically kino. God bless lolcows.

>>714147087
>A corporation has no monopoly
>you give them a monopoly
Your actually retarded. Even worse, you showcase a complete lack of understanding in regards to basic market fundamentals, history, as well as simple critical thinking.
Don't respond to me ever again you absolute heathen. May god have mercy on your putrid soul.

>>714147234
I agree, but we'll get way more.

>A corporation has no monopoly, you give them a monopoly for not moving on and find alternative
Just vote with your wallet bro!
When a cartel of oligopolies conspire to not tread on each other's territory to be uncompetitive, just make your own multibillion competitor and don't get smothered to death or bought out!
When your power lines in your country get "privatized ", just make your own parallel powerline network! When the train system that's meant to serve the country and increase economic activity, not he profitable into itself, gets "privatized", just fucking walk two hours to work champ.

>>714147195
>stream game
>rent a movie
>rent a game
>you will never ever see game binaries and just JPEG stream
oy vey

>>714147079

>>714147087
>A corporation has no monopoly, you give them a monopoly for not moving on and find alternative.
What. No. The corporation sees people moving to their competitor and then buys up the competition. Then they start buying more and more of their competitors till eventually there are no more competitors left. That's how you start getting monopolies, you fucking imbecilic cocksucker.
We don't give corporations monopolies you fucking retard, they make themselves monopolies over time.

>>714147265
>you are dumb
>you are stupid
>can't even make distinction between monopoly and oligopoly
>doesn't even know corpos are not the only producers of videogames and nobody enforces their rules
You're just an addicted faggot.

But sure go on and call me a retarded shiller, like i say government shouldn't regulate i also say corporations should get bailed out with public money, yet people always forget the latter when dealing with libertarians.

Nothing will happen for you fags, corporations will find workarounds in the long terms and only extend your problems.

>>714145334
I thought he only cared for Heroes of Might and Magic.

>>714147497
>The corporation sees people moving to their competitor and then buys up the competition.
Something that can't work forever if they keep ruining every product they buy. Case in point disney did this and they are now facing more competition than before with dreamworks, illumination, sony animation etc.

>>714146835
The book that oversimplifies the economy of South Korea down to:
>they had free markets and started exporting and became wealthy
rather than
>they ran an investment heavy, protectionist, intense state capitalist system where the military dictator that was CEO of a state investment company told the chairmen of companies they invested into to hit 80% of the targets they put to paper, or get replaced.
Yeah. Great source. There's a reason economists don't take Sowell very seriously.

what if corpo circumvents this EU ruling by making all games rent only like movies and only streamable like Stadia

>>714147610
>There's a reason economists don't take Sowell very seriously.
Because he's black.

>>714147087
>, you give them a monopoly for not moving on and find alternative
how does this even fucking work when there is NO alternative. thats the entire point of a monopoly. you have product, everyone wants product, your the only company that sells said product, thus you can get away with fucking the quality, cutting costs, etc, etc. if another service pops up trying to offer a better service, you litigate the fuck out of them - see how rockefeller basically bought the competition out to form his monopoly on oil. or how major ISPs put a stop to google fiber.

>>714147680
>Because he's black.
Oh look, the racism card.

>>714147730
It's a joke you unfun fag

>>714147684
>how does this even fucking work when there is NO alternative
For some reason big corpos making toys stops you from making your own?
>>714147610
Thank you for confirming him right with the government thing.

>>714147763
Sorry man, I have my bullshit radar set to max all the time and I've seen far to many people use "it's because he's X,Y,Z" as an excuse.

>>714147593
>Case in point disney did this
Disney is a multi-billion dollar company with a huge lobbying presence in government where they shill out millions to influence legislators. How does that even prove your point???

>>714147904
Source is your ass?

>>714147834
>For some reason big corpos making toys stops you from making your own?
They can if they catch wind of you making your own toys and decide that they should be the only ones able to make toys. Palworld v Pokemon is a good example.

>>714147984
im going to go dunk my head in a bucket of acid. good talk, anon.

>>714148024
A better one is all those remakes, fan games, that Nintendo cancelled.

>>714148024
Palworld "copied" but still they made some sort of competition, nintendo reaons are silly because they didn't invented cute animals, they will lose the lawsuit like 90% of all derivative work lawsuits, the only problem is wasing money in lawers for palworld.

>>714148118
That too, but it could steer the convocation into copyright infringements. I used palworld v pokemon because of the mechanic patents, which is even more fucked imo.

>>714147834
>Thank you for confirming him right with the government thing.
Why does the supposedly amazing "frew market" not work for most of the world you dumbass? Every single non-western state thats made it out of being an absolute shithole was due to a strong state capable of protecting the economy from outside predatory interests just asset-stripping everything. Thats what capitalism is

>>714129525 (OP)

>>714147512
>Reddit frog
>Shit take
It's a law

>>714148236
>FUCK YOU.
should have been "EAT MY ENTIRE ASS"

I want to play concord again to main bazz

800k by Sunday

>>714129545
All games are destroyed

>>714148192
>they will lose the lawsuit like 90% of all derivative work lawsuits
It's going to be an uphill battle for palworld though. Japanese law is completely fucked in favor of seniority, i.e. Japanese companies who have been around longer. The only reason it's even managing to go on as long as it has is because Pocket pair are being backed by sony.
The point still stands though.
The company will try to fuck you over and stop you from making your own toys if they could.

>I can play Gran turismo 6 without internet connection
>I cannot play Gran turismo 7 without internet connection
I wonder what changed.

>>714148438
LETS GOOOOOOO

>>714132046
If the fucking retards can't be trusted to regulate themselves then it falls on the government to do it for them.

>>714148024
>>714148192
>>714148486
Wasn't the problem that PalWorld openly stole from and taunted Nintendo?
There's plenty of other pokemon clones, and they're even allowed on the Swtich like (Nexomon.) It's just PalWorld flew to close to the sun while flipping it off.

>>714148220
>Every single non-western state thats made it out of being an absolute shithole was due to a strong state capable of protecting the economy from outside predatory interests just asset-stripping everything.
Like china throwing away centralized planning in favor of market reforms. Smoke some more faggot.

>>714148928
>Wasn't the problem that PalWorld openly stole from and taunted Nintendo?
No. That was a bunch of bullshit pushed by ninteno drones.

>>714149005
Oh you're a snoy, then it must be true.

So anon tell me again, how does a corporation make a "monopoly" just because they're the biggest producers of toys and you can't stop buying from them?

>>714129871
>>714129906
>>714130375
You are trying way too hard, contrarian samefag.

>>714148508
Them realizing that, statistically, you're not going to buy Gran Turismo 8 if you already own a playable copy of GT7.

>>714131653
Bullshit. You need EU ID number. Fuck off flaseflagger.

>>714134449
Both you fucking mongoloid.

All commies will fucking hang.

>>714129525 (OP)
As a vidya developer I'm not going to sign it. Whoever makes the game should be able to do with it as they damned please. The standard nowadays is online server-based games and those are expensive to maintain.

If you want games to stay alive then KEEP PAYING FOR VIDEOGAMES you fucking losers

>>714149368
it varies, im from germany and I wasn't asked for such a thing

>>714149146
IF poketpair had blatantly stolen from Nintendo It would have been a copyright infringment case. Not a patent infringement case involving the most broad fucking patents imaginable, that were filed AFTER palworlds release mind you. So you can fuck right of with that 'snoy' faggotry cunt. I don't even have a playstation because that piece of shit hasn't had any games of its own for the last few generations and sony's a shitter too and they don't OWN palworld.

700k today, we're going home bros

>714149368
>the type of nigger retard cattle supporting this

>>714149451
You can repost this copypasta as much as you want but it doesn't change the fact that the fucking initiative doesn't require devs to keep their servers up

>>714149484
>Snoy damage controls intensifies

>>714148928
>PalWorld openly stole from and taunted Nintendo?
this never happened

>>714129525 (OP)
I work for a massive publisher.

You idiots won't change a thing. The attitude inside a massive publisher is "yeah, the games suck and the microtransactions suck, but they pay the bills". Like that's literally what is said in our massive meetings and even the lowest totem pole workers know that's how it is. We know the games suck, but hey pay the bills.

It is unfortunate that I work for a company that takes advantage of people that can't control their finances, but I haven't found a new job yet that has similar pay or benefits.

You won't change shit with some stupid twitter campaign.

PEOPLE. KEEP. BUYING. MICROTRANSACTIONS.

PEOPLE KEEP PAYING $120 TO PLAY GAMES 3. DAYS. EARLY.

You won't change anything. PEOPLE KEEP BUYING THIS GARBAGE.

Unless you can educate people on finances so they stop buying $10 loot boxes every single paycheck, then NOTHING. WILL. CHANGE. IDIOTS SHOVEL MONEY INTO OUR POCKETS AND WE ALL HATE THE GAMES WE MAKE BUT YOU MONKEYS KEEP BUYING THIS SHIT AND PAYING OUR BILLS.

I swear anti-libertarian defense is pathetic, this deflection towards state protectionism and infrastructure monopolies only makes me laugh because we're talking about goods you can move and not real estate, not ISPs infrastructures, nit government protectionism which sucks ass and trump showed it again, it's fucking videogames.

>>714129525 (OP)
You fuckers know what's coming if you vote for this petition right? You know the consequences of inviting the government to intervene in the video games, knowing full well and probably lived through the 90s to 2000s where it was full of paranoid and delusional old men trying to dictate the rules and censor the fuck out of everything right? This is going to be even worse than that because now you have those same old men who now see the monetary incentive to fuck shit up and you fuckers are straight up kicking and screaming to come save you.

This won't be the government salvation you guys are hoping for, this won't even be the corpo vs government clash either, this will come entirely at your expense. They WILL fuck your shit up, anyone that has been around long enough knows not to trust the government and it's appalling to me that none of you can see Ross as the glowie that he clearly is. Why else would he go to such lengths to push this shit and throw on a full mask under the guise of caring for destroyed games? Why else has there been such a massive outbreak of supposed ecelebs throwing their weight into this all of the sudden when the natural response was to veer as far away as possible from this clear glowie psy op? They know now that they can get some headway and they've been going into overdrive to push for this and you idiots are falling for it.

If there's any among you that still possesses a brain, I implore you to not sign this shit. Don't give it attention, don't give it any time of day. This shit has so many malicious layers to it that it would be wise to not interact with it at all, and to say nothing on the long term ramifications against the average consciousness should it go through. Do you really believe that you aren't throwing away your personal information for the government to "leak away" in a year's time when this is over?

>>714149595
Believe what you want, nintendnigger. A competitor appeared and Nintendo shit itself then filed retarded patents that could encompas many MANY games and get nintendo in the crosshairs of bigger corpos if they win the lawsuit.

Current projected results:
Worst case scenario: 800k-900k
Most likely scenario: 900k-1.05M
Best case scenario: 1.16M

Keep in mind that initiatives have often thrown out ~12% of signatures, so 200k of signatures are likely to be removed from the total.

This means that the final amount will be 600k-960k if preparing for the worst case scenario.

>>714149712
The fact you outed yourself as Snoy only proves you're mad

>>714149753
>initiatives have often thrown out ~12% of signatures
where did you get this number from

>>714149708
>through the 90s to 2000s where it was full of paranoid and delusional old men trying to dictate the rules and censor the fuck out of everything right?
This is still happening, from the game devs themselves and activist groups like BRIDGE btw.
>They WILL fuck your shit up
As if they haven't been doing that already.
>it's appalling to me that none of you can see Ross as the glowie that he clearly is
The rest of your post has been discarded, corponigger.

>>714149753
Projected status about the previous election was kamala winning according to a bunch of sites who pulled statistics out of their asses.

> I'm going to legally force you to work more
> wait how am I a communist are you stupid LOL

>>714149901
Adding DRM that shuts games down is more work than not doing that, retard.

>>714149834
>look I played cyberpunk I can use grownup words
cringe as your petition
kys

Win or lose anon, in the long term corporations will fuck your ass because you never stopped buying their slop.

You are a slave, a slave larping as rebel, watch how they find workaround to your shitty eu laws, the victory last short-term like every regulation from the government.

This is as cringe as chanting free palestine

>>714149451
>Whoever makes the game should be able to do with it as they damned please
So when are you going to go independent?

Free Palestine

>>714130296
Right, nothing says communism like billion dollar companies dictating law

>>714129525 (OP)
>NOOO I WANT TO PLAY THE CREW, I WILL POST CP, GAY PORN, I WILL HARRASS PEOPLE JUST PLEASE LET ME PLAY THE CREW AAAAA
Why are you like this?

>>714150132
This. They should go to therapy instead of this campaign.

>>714149820
Right2Water initiative collected over 1.8M signatures and only 1.6M were accepted.
Any duplicate signature or signature with invalid personal information is thrown out. I expect it to be even worse in a gaming campaign which is filled with bad actors.

>>714150132
lack of bullying

>>714149812
What? In what way you retarded giganigger? I was in the threads watching nintendo fans reee at the top of their lungs about copyright infringement when the shitshow started when there wasn't any copyright infringement in the slightest. I've been wanting better Pokemon games for fucking ages, yet Nintendo CONTINUED to push out buggy shit with even worse mon designs. Palworld was a breath of fresh air and instead of going "huh, maybe we should make better pokemon games." Nintendo decided "lets make broad patents and file them after the games release then investigate and sue them on patents if we can't get them on copyright.". If palworld had ripped models from pokemon and just slapped a new coat of paint onto them, then nintendo would be in the right, but that would turn the case into a copyright infringement case. not a patent infringement case.
All you've done in this little interaction is call me a snoy without refuting any fucking argument and the only person outing them as a fanboy of any company is you faggot, and you're clearly a nintendo cock gobbler. Get your head out of their crotch because you are suffering oxygen deprivation and it fucking shows in your posts.

>>714150339
lt;dr sonyfag

i signed

>>714141987
He did a Hitler.

>>714150201
Fascinating. Hope it can get that buffer then.

>>714149994
>writes wall of text.
>gets btfo in a small post.
lol, lmao.

>>714150361
>no argument from the drone
This is why everyone finds you Nintendo boot lickers insufferable. Why don't you go ask your wife's boyfriend if you can play your new switch games.

>>714150493
Enjoy having no games Sonyfag

>>714150595
see >>714149484
>I don't even have a playstation because that piece of shit hasn't had any games
Nigger

>>714134414
>If given the opportunity you would gladly take the role of ruthless dictator and see nothing wrong with it.
Me too so what
>This is because you were born without a soul. We have given a term for this anomaly, it is called Autism Specrum Disorder.
Actually, being autistic means you have a powerful soul. Neurotypicals are the ones without souls.

>>714145015
>kiddie games
like Call of Duty
that post man walking simulator
and Uncharted 5?

>>714150693
bing bing wahoo?

>>714150649
>Sonyfag damage control
You lost. Multiple times.

>>714148464
>corporations finding new ways daily to fuck their customers in the ass
>MTX, DLCs, DRMs, literal spyware anticheat, raising prices, remakes while delisting the old entries etc.
>ahah ok good
>tiny EU initiative proposing that maybe customers are entitled to what they buy
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO YOU CAN'T DO THAT YOU'RE DOOMING US VIDYA IS FINISHED

why are gamers like this?

>>714150792
you were talking about le large games, and all of these are slop for children.

>>714137649
>Libertarians
what? how? because it supposedly gives government more power?

>game gets the plug pulled
>company has to maintain one server and have one intern check on it once a week
Wow what a big ask, a multi biliion dollar media company can't put one small laptop on a rack somewhere in their building and have the coffee boy check if it's running every now and then.

Anybody against this initiative is pants on head retarded.

nice

>>714150948
>Wow what a big ask
The initiative is asking for even less than that.

>>714151007
They should dream bigger.

>>714150916
this slop is a glownigger OP.

Bets on how today ends? nearly 10 main euro time and already +8.5k

>>714150916
Yes. They think games won't be made or will be more expensive. Jason is a lolbert. Plus the idea of "corporations can fuck you in the ass and you shouldn't be able to do anything about it because... you just shouldn't, ok!?"

>>714151047
Gotta keep the ask small so it can actually happen.

>>714151067
>or will be more expensive
NOOOOO
GOVERNMENT FORCE THEM TO SELL THEM CHEAPER
GOVERNMENT
AHHHHH
GOVERNMENT!!!!!
OTHERWISE I WILL BUY THEM AT $90

>>714151054
25k?

>>714150865
i'm sorry im not into visual novels but i hope you have fun with them

>>714151095
not how negotiation works, anon.
you need to ask beforehand for ridiculous terms.
If they accept, you won.
If they don't, they'll start negotiating on middle terms.
Them already settling small terms wasn't a smart move.

>>714151139
you wrote that you need these walking simulators, because they are mature and shiet.

>>714150916
Why, it does not? Governments shouldn't touch anything, penalty is markets being fucked with alternative smaller competitors being forced to provide 5 years services rising costs of entry, and more corporate lobbying inside the state so they make laws for themselves.

I've been more than clear, i do not bail out bankers with public money but i also do not protect anyone else, customers must move on and let corpos crash and burn if they are despotic.

for the rest, pic related is the best thing the EU can do for you

>>714149753
>>714149820
>>714150201
So we'll probably need more like 1.2+ million signatures to be in the clear?

Is that even attainable?

>>714151237
Thank you EU
I was always throwing that cap away.
Now I can't do that shit anymore unless I use a knife, which is also not allowed in based EU communism, unless you are an invader, I mean migrant.

>>714151290
no, you lost.
but it's a glow neger op, therefore it will go through.

>>714151314
A lot of EU countries have gun ownership, why the fuck would they give a shit about knives?
Stop fucking conflating the UK with the EU.

>>714151215
You need people to sign it and you can't give too much ammo to the corposhills. Make it too ridiculous, suddenly you have people agreeing with the superhacker blizzard dev shitting and pissing himself.

Not in the countries that can sign that petition but I'm 100% behind it.

>>714129871
Your either trolling or incredibly stupid. I've run companies / managed them and this is zero about "communism". If my companies had acted how these game publishers are acting I'd be in prison for theft.

You can not retroactively pull ownership.

>>714150024
I stopped buying slop long ago, but everyone else kept buying slop and seeing the money in it, everyone made slop so now I don't buy anything at all because there's only slop.
At least with SKG some slop will not exist and they might not make slop.

>>714129871
>commie who steals others' games calling anyone a commie
that's rich

>Post yfw finns get to 0.5% per capita and 300% threshold

>>714151389
nice try, commie
guns as well as knives are only allowed for commies. everyone else is not allowed. So says the central commissar Mrs. Leyen.

>>714151314
>Now I can't do that shit anymore unless I use a knife, which is also not allowed in based EU communism
I think you should google "brexit", it's been a thing for a while now.

>>714151116
Who are you quoting

>>714130375
>Hey pay me for continued access to this service
>Sure man, service looks good!
>You know what I don't feel like running the service anymore.
>Oh crud, well do I get my money back at least?
>Pfft. No.

>>714151237
corporations are unfettered in their pursuit of profit maximization and will gladly trample over everyone if they have to. since individuals possess no power on their own, the only way to fight back is through governmental institutions
you sound like a butthurt corpobaby throwing a tantrum because his crooked plan to scam people out of their money has been exposed

>>714151570
fiction for the retarded morons:
>wow, this will make it so companies keep servers up for 10 years

reality:
>prices will go up by 50%

>>714144852
Well it's better than nothing.
What's your alternative?

>>714151606
>corporations are unfettered in their pursuit of profit maximization and will gladly trample over everyone if they have to.
You're talking as if states do can't into profit, expansion, colonizations, war and monopolistic control when they've been 99% of the time responsible for it.

You sound like a dumb nigger and i shall treat you like one.

>>714151459
Yep insanity. These people are utter hypocrites that even Stalin would put in front of a firing squad.

>>714151670
Nope nobodies stating that.
You need to clarify in the small print "we will aim to keep servers up for no less than 24 months".

They know this.
Nice try though industry shill.

>>714151686
>alternative
do nothing and see normies getting burnt.

>>714149661
Who the fuck said anything about microtransactions? You illiterate or something?

>>714151793
>we will aim
so it's nothing.
prices will go up regardless.

>>714151485
The campaign is going to end with them at nearly 1% per capita at this rate.

How I slept last night knowing I made a bunch of bootlickers very angry by creating this thread

Power structures are all the same, and the state is even worse with its unchecked power.

Mark my words, today they may work for you, tomorrow they invite their corporate friends with big money because you're not the only who can do lobbies, anon. All because gamers nowdays can't work towards independence and emancipation.

>>714152078
based

>ok well look into this initiative
>wait so why are you calling games ''services'' while selling them as goods?
>why do you ask for a initial 80$ price for a ''service''
>why does this service come on a disk or require a download
>why isnt your service working properly when you offer it? why does it need tons of fixes on release
>why dont you offer proper customer support and refunds on your service?
>speaking of services, the way this service looks looks a awful lot like gambling
>why arnt you following gambling laws?
and so on and so on
you niggers have no idea how many cans of worms this will open once the EU starts looking into it, the entire industry knows once everything comes above water the grift is over

>>714138590
>I would rather have a billion dollars instead of a million dollars, so fuck off with trying to give me a mil

>>714152295
>you niggers have no idea how many cans of worms this will open once the EU starts looking into it
>he thinks his gerontocracy is going to look at it in detail

>>714152295
stop I can only get so hard.
If this happens, it'll fuck bigly EA, Ubisoft and the likes, and all the lolbertarians will piss and shit themselves, along with all the republicans.
I will literally cum if this happens.

>>714139478
fuck off vegan
>damn he tortured a cat that's fucked up
>OH YEA WHY WONT YOU STOP EATING MEAT ITS LITERALLY MURDER

>>714151290
Depends on how many people spam this shit on Twitter, Twitch and Youtube this week and the next. And also depends on how many e-celebs pick up on it.

>>714152473
I don't give a shit, you dig your own grave in the end.

>>714152565
Well pewdiepie just posted on his twitter in support of it.

>>714152606
>twitter
Twitter is completely irrelevant outside of the US. Europeans almost exclusively use Facebook.

>>714152606
He doesn't use Twitter

>>714152387
>EU
>Gerontocracy
every major leader within the EU is well under the retirement age
this isnt the US running the worlds most expensive retirement home

>>714152665
>>714152671
Sorry, youtube.

>>714152605
>NOOOO YOU'LL STOP GETTING LIVE SERVICE SLOP
ok cool
got a giant backlog of great games from a time when studios wernt run by demonic khazarians
theres no losing in this for me

>>714152672
>all boomers
>retirement age is almost 70 yo
Good luck, gaymer.

>>714152691
>wont even make a video about
toppest of keks, SKG niggers humiliated

>>714152691
We won. Like I said, we already won and all the bootlickers here have no choice but to cry about it and see us win. Stay mad.

The baiting in this thread is some of the funniest i've seen in weeks

>>714152747
Spare me the memes, soon you're going to consume state approved games and get sent in israel to die. Have another laugh faggot, you can't live without the goverment having a say on every little thing in your life.

>>714152691
Now I have hope it will actually succeed. Contrarians that hate him will oppose it and it will gain even more exposure.

>>714152691
Sadly, a random comment isn't something most people will notice compared to a dedicated video. So it probably won't do much. But at least it's something.

>>714140876
Ancaps are just reverse commies
>if goverment was in control of everything then there would be nothing to stop it to be perfectly fair and just
>if the government was in control of nothing then there would be nothing to stop the world from becoming perfectly fair and just
If anything commies are more realistic as they acknowledge some power structure will emerge. Governments are not a recent thing, they existed in all civilizations in every place, they are the outcome of putting reason into ancap utopia animals live in.

>>714152665
Tons of Europeans use Twitter. Even my mom does. Facebook is more popular, but only with non-gamer non-English speaking normie types.

>>714152920
>state approved games
contrary to Amerimutt approved games?

>>714152359
No one needs PC-slop.
PC gaming is over.

>>714152514
>Steam is meat
it's actually cheaply anti-consumer slop.
you are actually refusing meat (physical games)

>>714153029
>If anything commies are more realistic as they acknowledge some power structure will emerge
You don't understand shit about marxism and the end goals of a revolution.

Also by your own logic, slavery always existed in every place and civilization so lol why not using power structures and not give a shit about decentralized means? You're all a bunch of delusional niggers holy shit.

>>714151215
It's not a negotiation, retard.