Thread 714129789

The people who try and claim they are are pretentious man children.
The games held up as examples of "art" are hipster faggot walking sims or hispter faggot pixel trash.
The government money that goes to "games are art" gets used to make trash slop to push ideology.

just admit you seethed when he wished trump, his family and his supporters would all die.

>>714130925
I hate Trump too.
For different reasons however.
>Yahtzee: Grrrrr TV told me orange nigger is mean and I don't like mean people grrrrr.
>Me: this retard is trying to pass a spending bill that will bankrupt the country and create a dystopian Palantir surveillance state! Fuck this asshole.
We are not the same, and faggots like him only serve to minimize my legitimate complaints because he's crying the orange nigger said "grab em by the pussy"

>>714129789 (OP)
Games are art, stay mad fag.

>>714132379
Yes, amazing videogames paid for by taxpayers like DUSTBORN are very much art and videogames are sooooooo much better for this designation

>>714132534
I'm not from Europe so I don't care about games your faggy government funded. That's not my problem.

>>714132572
>I don't care what game your faggy government funded
>From Europe
Huh, what country funded Dustborn?
>Looks it up....
AHHHHHHHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH

>>714132649
Cry moar

>>714129789 (OP)
If they're not artists then formulate a better argument than them.

>>714132834
>Jackson Pollock
The bait is good overall, I like these sort of threads, but this makes it too obvious that it's meant to upset /v/irgin sensibilities. I'd advise reemoving this from the final draft

>>714133062
A game is a game and requires skill to overcome an obstacles. It may have art in it like a deck of cards has art on the cards, but in itself it is not art.

>>714130925
Amazing the seethe that orange man has produced over the past decade.

>>714133240
Yahtzee fags get so but hurt so easily.
Like bro, he hasn't been funny since 2013 his webcomic sucks, his videogames suck, his books suck, his bar failed, his "gaming website" is ran like dogshit and he is a 40+ year old refusing to work a real job and still milking the same gimick from his 20s past the expiration date.

>>714133498
It'd be funny if it were like term one where people were but hurt over nothing.
This time around he has become an authoritarian faggot and all these whiney pussies are the scapegoat used for it for anyone objecting to the bullshit he's doing.

>>714132834
>Write fanfic
what fandoms did yahtzee write for?

>>714129789 (OP)
Artist and gamer here. I 100% agree, Video games are not art. They can have artistic elements, they can influence art, but no, they are not art. Saying that is insulting to the artistic process as it is completely different from the game creation process

>>714133741
>Ummmm ackshully he did not write fanfics, his novels are satire and that is super duper different
Lol. No wonder Yahtzee hates his fans so much.

>>714134026
I didn't know he was a writer.
I was just curious.

holy mother of schizo threads

>>714133290
Do you consider movies or entertainment of the like art?

>>714134183
No worries. You aren't an angry fan defending an edaddy that openly hates you while begging for money, so you have nothing to be upset over.

But for a college drop out who spends all day playing videogames and trying to convince people he is super smart and tallented, he literally is incapable of doing anything else and everything else he does is an embarrassing failure.

>>714134457
Movies are not games. They are a visual medium that can be passively absorbed without and skill.

A deck of cards is not art.
A board game is not art.
A craps table is not art.
A roulette table is not art.
A casino is not an art gallery.

>>714134782
So by your words, if a game played itself it would be considered art?

Of course video games are art, but that doesn’t mean they’re good. All games, whether they’re played with a controller, played with dice and a piece of cardboard, or played on a baseball diamond to a roaring crowd are art. A very large part of the things humans make are art, but something being art does not equate to being good. We have made an ungodly amount of terrible art over the course of our civilizations, along with some great art too.

>>714134782
All completely incorrect except for the last one, it’s funny though.

>>714134845
A stream of a game being played ironically would qualify as art.
The game itself is the paint.
The console the canvas

But a tube of paint is not a painting
and a videogame is not art

>>714135019
So Vtubers are art?

>>714135194
Not him, but yes! Performance is art. Games are too, so the OP is wrong on that count as well.

>>714134938
A game by definition is not art.
It is a game.
It's purpose is entertainment.
If games were art, a casino would be an art gallery

>>714131654
>my television good, his television bad

>>714132534
You think games get government funding because of artistic merit? You do know that all kindof companies get government funsing, you think coal mines are art?

>>714135272
By your narrow definition, Casinos already are art galleries. Have you ever been in a casino before? There’s a lot of art, and I’m not talking about the games.
Now as for your other claim, something being entertainment makes it an even stronger claim to be art. Entertainment IS art.

>>714135272
So a video game holds no creative skill or imaginative expression?

>>714135272
"Art" or "game" aren't exclusive terms, idiot. By your retardation painting isn't artpiece, because "paint" is by definition coloured substance which is spread over a surface and dries to leave a thin decorative or protective coating, so it can't be art.

>>714135272
>It's purpose is entertainment.
So film, music, literature, and even almost all forms of purely visual art are not art, got it.

What did yahtzee do to trigger some autist in /v/ to shitpost about him thinking itd somehow affect the guy?

>>714135380
Television? I read the bills he is putting forward and stopped paying attention to anything on TV cause it was all bullshit
>The Ukrainian Zylynsky shaming
Lol, sent aid the next day. No change from Biden policy
>The Pretending to be angry at Netanyahu
Yeah, it's obvious he is faking it.
>Release the Epstien files
Lol!
>I'm gonna fix the economy
Looks at the spending bill, nigga no you aren't

So yeah, I pay attention to what is actually happening, this retard is getting mad at retarded bullshit that isn't real.

He acts like the straw man temper tantrumming over trannies rights, tranny kids not getting dick snips, bullying mu Canada, muh poor illegals, ETC.

I'm worried about Palantir, Social credit scores, ignoring supreme court rulings, retarded bugets, a 2nd gitmo being built with no due process to get thrown in there, the NORTH AMERICAN TRADE UNION being sold as us "owning" candada and Greenland and endless war that doesn't benefit us.
We are not the same

>>714135579
The art in the game does.
The game is gameplay focused and changing the art would not change the core gameplay.

Games have art in them, but they are not art. They are games dependent on gameplay.

>>714136326
All games are art, even kids playing tag and I’m not kidding.

>>714135680
Cry moar.
Lol.
I bet you are the kind of faggot who calls their comic book cape shit "graphic novels" and push them to be put in English class curriculum.

>>714136364
Is anything NOT art?

>>714135982
I like making faggots upset
Simple as.
It's crazy how much the truth hurts

>>714136593
Yes! Tools. The difference here is sharpening a stick into a spear because you need to feed yourself to survive cs sharpening a stick into a spear because you like the way spears look. INTENT is the crux of the matter, not quality. Art has never had anything to do with quality and anyone telling you different is ignorant or lying.
Art is the physical manifestation of the human experience not focused on pure survival or accomplishing a specific goal meant to bring about survival.
It’s the difference between a sword fashioned by blacksmiths to kill a nation’s enemies, and a sword crafted by artisans to be given to royals, to be beautiful and be an expression of the richness of the nation’s culture.

>>714136964
Videogames art a tool for lets plays.

>>714137163
Nah, it’s just art using other art which has happened far longer than video games have existed.

>>714137230
Nigga you think crude oil barrels are art

>>714137541
Nah, barrels are tools. You can put art on them though.

>>714135579
>Human creative skill and imagination
Videogames are corporate products, not human expression with out compromise of a vision that is exactly what they want to convey

.... I mean unless you think corporations are people

>>714137913
Corporations aren't people, but that doesn't mean they can't produce art. Even the soulless bullshit minimalist art that gained traction among corporate PR teams in the 2010s are still art. Just shitty, commercialized art.

>>714136964
Uh oh.... looks like more than tools are not art

>>714137913
Indie games? Games made by a single dev?

>>714129789 (OP)
Pic related is id Software. Formed in 1991 after leaving their jobs at Softdisk, they went on to create some of the most beloved and legendary games that are revered to this day.
However, this could have not been the case. They could have easily stayed at Softdisk, got a steady paycheck, and make whatever it is the CEO of Softdisk thought would make a good game and a quick buck.
Fortunately, that was not the case. Why? Because the members of id Software, wanted more creative freedom.
Merriam-Webster defines art as
>the conscious use of skill and creative imagination especially in the production of aesthetic objects
What did they need creative freedom for, if they weren't using their skills and creative imagination in the production of a video game?
Oh wait a minute- THEY WERE!
BECAUSE VIDEO GAMES IS ART
AND IT SHOULD BE TREATED AS ART

>>714138054
>Make fun of some fag online
>Hurr hurrr you are seething. You mad bro?
>Meanwhile defends some middleage manchild who acts like he is some serious art critic.
Do you think seething when someone makes fun of things/people they don't like (kind of like Yahtzee's whole career) or do you pull that cope out when you got nothing in the chamber but feel the urge to defend middle-aged man children
>He isn't the only faggot I enjoy making fun of
>Pic related

>>714138073
lol of course pornography is art, you think DEPTH is a requirement for something to be art? You think art is something that can't be harmful in both consumption and creation, can't be produced through exploitation? The purpose of pornography is titillation, you think that somehow disqualifies it from being art? Do you think obscenity disqualifies something from being art? Fucking WRONG.

>>714138347
It literally is not art by definition.
Your opinion is worthless

>>714138420
What's the definition? Was it given to you by that shitty google AI in your screenshot?

>>714138552
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller_v._California
Lol!

>>714138667
>unironically linking miller v california as an argument
LMAO
I don't give a shit what the supreme court thinks on this, obscenity does not stop something from being art, it simply makes the art unfit for unrestricted public consumption.

>>714129789 (OP)
video games are art. I've spent hours to draw arts for my game.
art doesn't just magically appear.

>>714138893
>I DON'T GIVE A SHIT
>Proceeds to give a shit.
Lol

>>714139130
Yeah man totally

>>714135272
This is the right answer. The very nature of video games is tied up in being a pastime, more akin to something like playing a sport. What forms of expression that can be found within them, they're instead used as simple dressing to the raw, entertaining gameplay on the inside; it's a relationship that actively diminishes what art is attached to it. It's not like this is hidden knowledge either, just look at how /v/ anons react so violently whenever a dev goes
>yeah, we don't focus on "fun"
>we want to go beyond just pastime entertainment in order for our game as a whole to say something
/v/ anons hate that. They actively want it to just be a simple pastime, but then get insecure when it's pointed out that's what they're demanding.

It's near impossible to navigate these things, with basically the only example being Rain World and how it gets close to solving the issue and having its nature as a video game actually be art.

>>714138325
Game development is an artform
The games they develop aren't art
Simple as

>>714140014
> he very nature of video games is tied up in being a pastime, more akin to something like playing a sport.
Sports are also art.