Thread 714149372

Why does the idea of allowing players to host servers cause such a reaction?

games as a live service needs to stop

Because they're tourists to your hobby and don't realize (or more likely, care) that almost every game in history followed this trend before it was replaced by big corporations fucking you in your asshole repeatedly and for more money than ever.

>>714149372 (OP)
zoomers spend money on skins, don't try to reason with them

>>714149372 (OP)
>Why does the idea of allowing players to host servers cause such a reaction?
Because we have a species of fanboys called Blizzdrones and Snoytrannies. Both of which consider defending big corporations as their religion almost as much as HRT and raping children.

>>714149610
Worse, they are corporate shills working for a PR company to "change the narrative".

>>714149372 (OP)
Subhuman retardation or perhaps more likely merely paid shilling.

>>714149372 (OP)
Someone post the compilation showing Ubisoft's investment in shill firms and all the shilling they engage in regularly.

Remember the AC Shadows trailer with bot comments? Good times. This guy and anyone like him are 100% bots or paid shills on Ubisoft payroll since they're the ones so desperately fighting against this. I hope this passes and is the coup de grace to Ubisoft. They are long past their expiry date.

>>714149372 (OP)
Because it means the end of live service slop.
They are either:
>Stuck supporting a dead game in perpetuity with no way to write off the dead game with creative accounting
>Stuck competing with their old game that is now in the hands of the community and had all of the live service slop modded out

>>714149372 (OP)
>threat
unironically, what is the threat? All we ask developers for is to provide the community with the server hosting files once they decide to bring their servers down. Killing games that we paid to play just because the number of players is low/planned obsolescence is completely unfair and should have never been allowed to begin with....

>>714149372 (OP)
They're gullible idiots and don't actually like video games.

>>714150483
Through a series of mental gymnastics, they've convinced themselves that end-of-life plans will be a huge burden to developers and will kill live service games, and that the EU getting involved will become a snowball of government meddling that will kill video games.

>this game depends on our servers to run, and we may shut them down at any point in the future, for any or no reason, with or without informing you. do you agree?
>hell yeah, let's play!
>*10 years later, servers shut down, game's dead*
>NOOO I DIDN'T AGREE TO THIS!!!!

Here's the solution: games go up to $200. All games. F2P doesn't exist anymore. That gatekeeps the poorfags, especially the ones that want to play MMOs solo years after they die.

>>714150717
yeah the EU would never overreach or make retarded laws.
honestly my main gripe with this whole thing is you insufferable faggots spamming so much

>>714150717
which is complete bullshit
>burden to developers
sharing start_server.exe on google drive isn't a burden
>kill live service games
this makes no sense, they already killed the game by bringing their servers down? Otherwise they probably mean forcing players to support future products by planned obscelence which is really just disgusting corporate greed
>government killing video games
The only meddling we asked from the government is an end of life plan, I dont see how that connects with le scary government killing video games. Plus we wouldnt even need the government's intervention if only companies would just do the reasonable thing when they decide to kill their games...

>>714149610
Most games I played had private servers. I played the shit out of Chivalry: Medieval Warfare and Rising Storm 2: Vietnam. Both are now dead but probably still have a few autists on private servers.
I noticed only recently have private servers and the community server browser disappeared from new games. They also started calling normal multiplayer games "live service".
I think one game that does it right is Deep Rock Galactic where the devs only host a server for discovering sessions, but the connections are peer to peer hosted on the session host's computer. Doing this is cheap, probably $100 a year. They can keep it up indefinitely.

>>714151161
>sharing start_server.exe on google drive isn't a burden
this isn't 2003. game servers are far more complex now. it wouldn't be an exe, more likely a docker instance on AWS
>The only meddling we asked from the government is an end of life plan
we give the government control over game development and all we get out of it is shitty live service games remain playable? not making a very good case.

>>714150209
i hope they stay around long enough to drop the witch ac game
seeing the next ac game flop even harder than shadows would be sweet

>>714149372 (OP)
Because they are spiritual jews.

online multiplayer games are cancer and the reason why the hobby sucks so much now

>>714149372 (OP)
why are people such fucking cattle these days
when did marketting get so good people started viewing companies as ''friends''

>>714151784
>docker instance on AWS
literally the same thing as an exe, providing the docker files again isn't a huge burden. Also fyi, AWS is just a hosting service which says nothing about the "complexity" of starting a server..
>we give the government control over game development and all we get out of it is shitty live service games remain playable?
Then corporates should follow good standard practices and make our "shitty" live service games that we PAID for playable, we reach out to the government only because companies have been playing unfair

I WANT TO PLAY "The Crew™© (2014)" BY Ubisoft®
>I WANT TO PLAY "The Crew™© (2014)" BY Ubisoft®
I WANT TO PLAY "The Crew™© (2014)" BY Ubisoft®
>I WANT TO PLAY "The Crew™© (2014)" BY Ubisoft®

NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW

>muh paid shills
If a game was worth playing, it wouldn't 'die'.
>save me big daddy EU!!!
no thanks

>>714149372 (OP)
because if players are the ones in control corpos can't charge for microtransactions and DLC and subscription fees, you stupid moron

>>714152062
>I'm going to risk fucking up game development forever in europe so I can play a dead game for 20 minutes then drop it again because it sucks

>>714150779
that toilet paper called EULA isn't above the law, sweaty. we're going to change the law.

>>714150779
>By reading this post you are agreeing to me pissing on your mouth whenever I feel like.
>NOOO I SWEAR MY EYES DIDN'T READ IT

>>714152167
thanks for the bump :)

>>714152192
>I'll just use the government to force people to make things for me, for free

>>714152056
Regulations are basically communism to retards

I WANT TO PLAY "The Crew™© (2014)" BY Ubisoft®
>I WANT TO PLAY "The Crew™© (2014)" BY Ubisoft®
I WANT TO PLAY "The Crew™© (2014)" BY Ubisoft®
>I WANT TO PLAY "The Crew™© (2014)" BY Ubisoft®

NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW NOW

>>714151784
>game servers are far more complex now. it wouldn't be an exe, more likely a docker instance on AWS
oooh, so complex. it's not like docker was literally invented to make deployments easier or anything.
>>714152234
>>I'm going to risk fucking up game development forever in europe
lmao

>>714152458
and the fact you think docker would need AWS just shows you have no clue. just pipe down, bro.

Uh oh, some group made a meme folder to strawman arguments. Nothing suspicious going on here.

>>714152234
Never get out of your house ever again. A car might hit you.

>the gobermint sez u hav to gib it to me for free
>SHUT THE FUCK UP GWEILO WE NO CARE ABOUT FUCK EUROPE
>U WANT PRAY GAME? U BUY
>NO BUY? FUCKU OFF!
>but the gobermint tho....

>>714152613
>chinese
>losing money
Chinese are basicly asian jews
they will go after every penny they can

>>714149372 (OP)
Why are they screeching about people having the ability to set up private servers after a game shuts down? Seems completely reasonable.

>>714151295
og cod4 still has active private servers

>>714152958
they're NPCs born after 2000 who get angry when anybody questions the status quo, not knowing what's being asked for was standard practice when they were still shitting in their diapers.

tl;dr welfare recipients are trying to get the government to force people to make things for them, for free

this is entirely consistent with their ideology and previous behavior, and should come as no surprise to anybody

however, due to their dependent status and lack of political or financial backing or clout, it is more than likely the movement will go nowhere even if they get enough signatures for EU review

one of the things that people have to show when bringing something like this to the table, is that it has a serious impact on a great number of people, and considering what they decided to use as their examples for their impact statements, it's going to be a hard thing to actually prove

they will use examples like usb-c and steam refunds (started by ausralia first btw), but those broadly affect people, in this case they could only find a handful of individuals and a couple of truly shitty old games nobody ever cared about, as examples of why end of service for an online game is a bad thing

- the solution is not as simple as they imply, and very few of these skg people have shown any actual knowledge about multiplayer or service hosting for online games
- this is not a simple consumer protection measure, because compliance requires a total restructuring of how games are developed and their capabilities
- the claim that it has nothing to do with IP is false, because IP holders have rights, and trying to force them to provide access to their IP in perpetuity is at odds with those rights

if this petition goes anywhere, what will follow is a grueling uphill battle with no actual support while nobody actually cares if they win or lose, the supposed 'pirate party' within the EU is a meme

>>714152958
>you make a game
>it fails
>now the EU is forcing you to give the server software to pirates who will use it to play illegal copies of your software, and sell access to third worlders

>>714152234
>no bro don't do anything about corporations fucking you in the ass, just consume and don't ask questions

>>714153081
>implying the EU is any better
you deserve everything that is coming your way, europoor

>>714153063
you will not steal my money
you will not steal my games
I will keep playing. I will not "move on"

>>714153063
>- this is not a simple consumer protection measure, because compliance requires a total restructuring of how games are developed and their capabilities
you mean they would have to make games like how they did in 1990 to 2005 again?
im signing now, thanks anon

>>714153063
Go finish your shitty game faggot.

>>714153063
>now the EU is forcing you to give the server software to pirates who will use it to play illegal copies of your software, and sell access to third worlders
Why do you give a shit? People who bought your game are entitled to play it.

>>714152386
>completely irrelevant schizo ramblings
corpos aren't sending their best

>>714149372 (OP)
If people can make private servers for old games, then they fear that new games will end up with a smaller player pool.

>>714153063
Thanks mr shill.

>>714149372 (OP)
>i'm such a dorky nerd x)
>oh but not the kind that's an actual nerd, no I mean the kind that buys funko pops

>>714153265
If your game is good then people will naturally migrate

>>714150717
>will kill live service games
That sounds brilliant, when can we start?

>>714153320
>If your game is good
This is the problem though

>>714153063
>>now the EU is forcing you to give the server software
no one is forcing anything
if you implement multiplayer, you don't take it away.
stop stealing functionality
stop stealing money
stop stealing games
imagine if your car's AC stopped working because mercedez benz decided to EOL it and shut down the "AC servers." this is the retardation people are protesting

>>714153371
you know you don't even 'own' games
you own a license to play them
there's nothing to steal

>>714153434
copyrighted works don't need licenses to be used
copyright doesn't cover the "right to use a work"
your stupid "license agreements" hold no water

>>714153063
Holy fuck all that text to just expose yourself that you have no fucking clue how game development works. Hosting files is a completely modular part of game development, real fucking easy to share with others. Fuck, even if they released the raw files as they are with NO instructions, gentoo autists will have servers up and running within hours. Also sharing a hosting setup has nothing to do with piracy neither, since it’s just the server, not the actual game itself....
Youre actually either getting paid or just completely clueless and I cant tell at this point

>>714153434
>you know you don't even 'own' games
oh shit when is Konami coming in to steal this from me?

>>714149372 (OP)
>single greatest threat to LIVE SERVICE video games

I don't actually know the wording of the petition however why can't it just be if they want to end servicing of the game they must release server tools? That way they can get their dirty skin money from the game and when that dries up the six people still playing 20 years later can have their game.
Anyway, whatever fucks over corpos more I'm behind.

>>714150483
Na unfortunately large number of paying customers feel genuine enjoyment from GAAS content drip and "officially" curated live service experience, which they now consider key part of gaming.
I have seen people on Steam forums calling feature complete single player games "dead" if they are not receiving content updates, they literally cannot enjoy video games unless they got future updates to be excited about.

>>714153753
there's a generation of tech-illiterate retards who grew on appstores and think a calculator needs updates and security patches. some people really need to be taken out behind the shed and shot

>>714149610
Woah you can't say that, that's gommunism. Stalin is going to rise from the grave and march his undead army on washington if you don't stop.

Explain to me how can this affect you, a faggot that don't play those games, in any way, without making up fake imaginary scenarios in your head

>>714153753
The ongoing consequences of a loss of community. They're unironically making corporate identity their community, shit's fucked, but you know corporations and governments are excited about all the things they can do once natural community has been fully subverted.

fuck ubisoft
nuke france

>>714153868
>Stalin is going to rise from the grave and march his undead army on washington
This should be a game, not gonna lie

>>714153879
good morning saar
over half of the gamers plays old games. this initiative keeps games playable so it's good in everyone's book
only a fuming corporate ceo and board of directors would oppose it

>>714149372 (OP)
You have not provided proper context for your post.

>>714153974
>Command And Conquer: Red Alert 4.

>>714154032
Fuck off, illiterate retarded shitposter.
I'm supporting SKG

>>714150779
And ONE MAN set out to change that fate!

>>714149372 (OP)
niggers are too stupid to realize the concept of the past. they live in the now, what has happened already is of no concern to them. so to them playing an older game feels paradoxical, like someone intentionally making themselves miserable

>>714153879
I'm not going to play them, either. To me, it punishes them in the long run to the point they may lose money, and that's all that matters.

>>714150483
The only issue i can see is the ability to support it on consoles. Those fanmade servers for games arent functional for consoles

>>714149372 (OP)
Because what gives someone the right to basically become a hall monitor for a multi-million dollar product they had nothing to do with creating it? Retarded eurocucks.

The only thing I hope would happen is to make Abandonware an actual legal definition.
Trying to force companies to have offline versions of live service games after shut down probably isn't going to happen.

still can't quite believe why this whole affair has caused so much outrage, considering there isn't even any legal obligation to do anything with the proposal
but if both shills and he-does-it-for-free fanboys are screeching, you ARE doing something right

>t.ourist on a driveby

>>714154350
What sealed it for me is the extent shills are willing to go to try and delete these types of threads.

>>714154350
The roach really did damage it with his lying, I even watched his video and was wondering how could anyone buy his shit since he had, on screen, what SKG is about and just claimed it's the opposite, somehow forcing indie devs and SP games to lay out their codes and shit.
I am glad that everyone finally turned against him.

>>714154829
Who the fuck is still watching this narcissitic fag anyway?
I can understand how he got traction early on with his Blizzard stories and making games bro shtick, but its just been one self character assassination after another for months. You don't even need to clip him out of context to make him look bad.

>>714149372 (OP)
They were born with corporate cock in their mouth and don't know life without it.

>>714150213
Either the old game is popular and then they keep supporting it. Or it's not popular and then who gives a fuck if you have to "compete" against it, nobody's fucking playing it

>>714149372 (OP)
>why do people not want the state sticking its nose in their hobbies

If you're against SKG, you are either a shill or a retard.
There is now in between.
If you didn't care about it, you wouldn't give enough fucks to post in those threads.
There is literally zero downsides as a consumer or as a game developper.

>>714155428
They already fucking do and they always will.
And since they already do, might as well try and get them to actually protect the customers from predatory or immoral business practices.
Hope the $0.06 you earned for posting this shit makes you happy.

They unironically believe that older games cannibalize players for newer games, so they don’t want you to have the option to play the older games, even if it’s with a fraction of the original userbase so you’ll have no option but to buy the new game. It’s why they keep pushing live service games so much, because they can shut it down when they’re done with it and you’ll have no way to play it.

>>714153063
This post alone convinced me to sign.

>>714149372 (OP)
he's right. can't you imagine the damage this will do to gacha games?
>oh well i'll just wait for the game to hit eos then i'll host my own server with all the characters unlocked

You know what would actually end this?
If people stopped buying live service slop

>>714155561
>if you want to keep playing or have a similar experience again buy the new game
no thanks.

>>714155659
>Implying any normalfag would listen
Remember:
Not buying is one vote
Buying can become unlimited votes.
It's no secret that publishers have been targeting whales for years

>>714155380
Most live service slop usually becomes unpopular due to recent changes made to boost monetization or due to mismanagement from burnt out, spiteful management teams.
It is unpopular because it supported by idiots, so if the idiots leave it will become popular again.
It's a catch 22.

y'all blud thinks I'm a hacker I see the cmd prompt I say no way bruh :skull:

>>714155636
>WON'T SOMEBODY PLEASE THINK OF THE GACHA GAMES
Also be real, those whales already would give up their own mother for anime girl jpegs that are free on the internet.

>>714153063
what a retard jesus christ

>>714155636
Brown Desert 1 already does this, so who cares? You act as if 90% of people aren't FOMO addled retards already.

>>714149372 (OP)
you realise every AAA company can pay like $20 000 to get 9000 indian and desperate shills to say whatever the fuck they want? When you realise that you start to realise that most people arent just stopid they're just bots/shills

>>714150209
I wouldn't be surprised if the account from OP's pic is a shill or worse, a bot, especially with the 4-digit number behind the name.

>>714153265
how is that players problem?

>>714153240
you bought a license to use software in a particular way outlined in that license, you did not buy the software

sorry for the misunderstanding kiddo

>>714155636
you can probably hack the app even today if you were after it badly enough

>>714155636
Megaman did that so you can suck a fat cock

>>714155478
You forgot about trolls and contrarians

>everyone who disagrees with me or doesn't want EU regulation crammed down their throat is evil or paid

this is why you keep losing, because you fail to actually try and understand the opposition

if you spent as much time trying to understand and then actually beat your opposition as you do crying about opposition existing, you would be much more successful

>>714156012
Yeah they shouldn't be able to do that to begin with.
You sound like the kind of retard who argues against seatbelts in cars.

>>714150717
even if so, good riddance to live service bullshit

>>714155478
>There is literally zero downsides to getting EU involved in actual game development
lol

>>714156110
Don't worry, I didn't. They are in the retard category.

>>714156150
>somebody who made something shouldn't be allowed to sell limited access to that thing as a business model
I begin to suspect that I am communicating with actual children living with their parents still.

>>714149372 (OP)
Jewish Blood

>>714152234
You're delusional if you think any game company is going to drop the EU market in any capacity over this. Doing so would drop one of the biggest markets in the world, and at least here in America likely to get you sued by shareholders and assraped into bankruptcy by courts.

>>714154829
Roach?

>>714156312
>shouldn't be allowed to sell limited access
Whats the benefit to the consumer? For the record I don't buy any licenses like this, but I know most people are fucking retarded and are willing to let corpos walk over their rights just out of convenience or laziness.

>>714156365
It's amazing how the Dodge brothers got away with what they did. They used the fucking dividends to fund their own competitor business.

>>714156141
The opposition is retarded.
This issue exists because of government regulation that prevents unofficial post-mortem support of games and software.
The shills saying this is unnecessary are the same shills that say that you shouldn't talk about unofficial projects if you don't want them to get cease and desist notices.

>>714156423
>For the record I don't buy any licenses like this
yes you do

>>714156141
>because you fail to actually try and understand the opposition
I understand the opposition, it's composed entirely of illiterate fucking retards who I can ignore and flip off when the signature threshold is passed.

>>714155428
I want the state to act in my interest
I'd take you lolbert shills seriously the day you start firebombing AIPAC offices

>>714152234
Explain how this ruins game development forever, keeping in mind all SKG is asking for is that multiplayer games can be community hosted at the end of a games life, and that SP games with DRM don't become unplayable.

>>714149372 (OP)
Makes pirating an online game easier.

>>714156447
>>714156529
>anybody who opposes me is retarded or evil

>>714156529
this.
The opposition just wants less rights for no reason. They want to buy licenses to games which can be revoked any second. How is that a good thing?

>>714156501
>Ignores the actual point of the post

>>714149372 (OP)
YOU WILL OWN NOTHING
YOU WILL NEVER BE HAPPY

I love no matter how niche the game, I'm still able to find some community that's playing it.
No seriously, there are a ton of PS2 games that still get play because of dedicated communities finding ways to keep the multiplayer alive.

>>714156552
oh is that all? just cough up the entire proprietary multiplayer backend? geeze its so easy and cheap, lets get it done, I'm signing!

>>714156596
In this case, literally yes, if you oppose me on this you are retarded or evil. There is zero drawback to supporting this initiative from the perspective of any reasonable consumer. You can only benefit. If you're against that, you are necessarily retarded or evil. Hope this helps.

>>714149372 (OP)
Supercorporations have figured out how to psychologically condition the average slopgolem into defending their own slavery

>>714156665
Share server files
Job done

>>714149372 (OP)
>Stop playing old games and consoom new games goy!!!

>>714156629
If corpo shills had their way all those communities would be C&D'd and the people hosting servers would have thier wages garnished until death to pay corporations

>>714156607
there need to be a benefit for the manufacturer of goods also, promoting a healthy business environment is also the responsibility of the government

finding a balance between consumer rights and industry access is tricky

if a government over-regulates a local industry to the point where they cannot compete with other entities, it winds up hurting everyone

>>714156717
>gibs me that for free

Watching people just make shit up about "give me stiff for free" would be deeply concerning if I were convinced anyone actually believed it.
But no one is actually stupid enough to think that is what I'd happening here.

>>714156676
>everyone who opposes this is retarded and evil, because I happen to care about it

>>714156596
You have yet to formulate why you aren't an evil retard

>>714156768
>gibs me that for free
>free
Already bought the game shill.

>>714156768
>gibs me that for free
No I hypothetically paid for the game already asshole. Just because a corpo can go
>Actually we can take this thing you paid for away from you whenever we want for any reason
Doesn't mean they should be allowed to.

>>714156771
>we want to use the government to force game developers to give us stuff for free if they no longer want to run the game

>>714156794
You lost by the way, Pewdiepie was the final nail in your coffin.

>>714150779
>this economy relies on consumers to run, and by trading in the EU you must agree to follow these rules
>hell yeah free money!
>*10 years pass*
>NOOOO SAVE ME LEGAL TEAM THEY CLICKED YES WHY ARE YOU NOT SUPPORTING MEEEE

>>714156768
>pay for game
>oy vey goy you want to play it for free?
amerimutts are this dumb

>>714150717
>>714150483
>>714151161
>You don't understand, you MUST hand over your intellectual property to me so I can play loli battle royale with my gf (male)
>what do you mean I need a custom build of Linux or Sun OS?
>what do you mean its software you licenced and don't have the right to distribute?
>what do you mean it interfaces with an old console's network which has since been shut down?

>>714156831
You bought a license. You did not buy the software or all of the licenses for the things supporting that software such as the audio codecs, anticheat, server architecture, or the engine used to develop it. This is why software licensing exists. It's a web.

I play games from the 1990's which I pirated and (in some cases) stole physical copies of from brick & mortar stores as a kid, and literally don't give a shit what anyone thinks about that.

>>714156846
>Already paid for the product
>Free
???? are you stupid?

>>714156884
>what do you mean its software you licenced and don't have the right to distribute?
sounds like you're not prepared to operate in the EU market
tough break schlomo

>resorting to wojaks
so no argument, you lost

>>714156853
>sending a gay little petition to the EU means we won

It will get dumpstered for being unfeasible, and you will seethe and claim some sort of conspiracy is to blame.

>>714149372 (OP)
That OP image makes me angry. Yes, it might be a threat to the current industry, BUT WHO CARES? The current industry sucks and only produces slop, it's telling that most people play indies or retro games now. If you think this is a bad thing then you don't belong here.

>>714156853
Did he voice support for the proposal

>>714150779
We're gonna look at the 2020s as the era where companies were allowed to do whatever the fuck they wanted, this happened before and we have the FDA, digital is just a new media that requires a framework

>>714156998
very deep in the denial stages are we

>>714157003
yeah man >>714153905

>>714156950
see
>>714156916

You're an actual child if you think this initiative will completely subvert software licensing.

>>714151784
Oh no, I have to pacman -S docker before running my game server. I can't handle this.

>>714156846
>thanks for the money suckers, now to do a runner
>you mean I have to provide access to the game they paid for? FOR FREEEE?

>>714149372 (OP)
>Why does the idea of allowing players to host servers cause such a reaction?
Because they want you to buy newest game and buying map packs.

>>714156596
The premise is self-defeating.
>I don't want more government regulation
This is an issue that only exists because of government regulation in the first place, giving corporations the right to screw you over while preventing you from fighting back.
If you really wanted to "Oppose government regulation", then your stance would be the abolishment of IP law and the decriminalization of industrial espionage, not opposing initiatives like Stop killing games, but that's such an unworkable stance that it's almost more ridiculous than the bullshit you started with.
>>714156768
>Take responsibility
>Now you have responsibility that you don't want
>But you don't want to give it back

>>714153063
Or just sell your live service game under a subscription model as you should. Just stop selling live service as a product if you intend to pull the plug eventually and not hand out the serverside software.

>please save me gobermint I can't play some gay little video game from 15 years ago nobody heard about!
>all it will take it massively expensive both legally and implementation wise industry reform and will get you sued by every publisher worldwide for at least 20 years!

gl retards, you will need it

>>714157054
>Sell people games software
>People realise that they're being abused by your business practices
>"I-it was actually a license all along didn't you know that i-idiot"

Fuck off retard, if nothing else I hope this leads to every game dev being sued into the ground for false and deceptive advertising

>>714157108
Exactly, if you're playing the game they've stopped supporting, that means you're not spending money on the new live service. Every game is trying to take 100% of your attention, which is why everything is grindy and 300gb

>>714157176
doomposting like this does not change the reality that the EU is about to line up a home run on shitty devs

>>714151784
>it'd be way too complex chud
>...oh yeah but genshin impact's server structure can easily be emulated on consumer hardware...

>>714157176
>I eat shit and cum

that's you.

>>714157176
I'm honestly impressed you can still type with your hands full of corporate cock

>give me x for free argument
Most people who support SKG would have no problem paying for access to the server files, with or without the tools to host them. The problem is that the option to doesn't exist.

>>714154287
exactly. copyright penalties end when you stop selling. done. its that fucking simple

>>714156993
bro you're "arguing" on a japanese porn website for video game addicts, check yourself.

>>714157036
No we won't, this thing you're doing where you pretend that future historians are going to give a shit about what we're doing now is full blown Reddit tier. We are not living in a very important or interesting time right now. Future historians aren't going to give a shit about the "Video Game Industry", it's a bunch of flashy distractions on your computer screen. Future historians are going to argue about wars and political power struggles of the top 0.00001% of society, like they've always done.

>>714157223
I mean it's only your fault if you fall for it. You wanna eat shit go ahead I guess lol

>>714157205
>help help!
>I'm being deceived!

>>714157042
Based

>>714157334
I've played vidya since the late 90's and never in my life have I read a EULA in fact I don't know what it is. And don't wanna know.

>you can't read the EULA until you buy the game!
>help help I've been tricked!

>>714157334
>Shit that was added recently in response to people being pissed off over being lied to

Ah yea it's totally cool if I warn you about a massive pitfall after you've already fallen into it, so helpful fucking moron

nevermind the fact that EULAs aren't worth fuck all

why is it ok for big companies to get governments to do things to inconvenience the consumer, but it's not okay for consumes to get governments to do things to inconvenience big companies?

>>714157409
End-User License Agreement. It's as gay as it sounds.

>>714157468
because people who want attention know it's easy to get (you)s by saying retarded shit

>>714149372 (OP)
MMMHH I just ate at your restaurant, and I want the secret recipe.
This is what you fags sound like. Companies don't have to give you their property.

>>714157468
Because tourists on /v/ are cuckolds

>>714149372 (OP)
These people really think publishers budget is too tight to implement some version control in their game updates while he watches them piss away tens of millions on marketing with one hand and reap billions in MTX with the other

>>714157540
>Food analogy
You lost

>>714157464
EULA's are completely legal, even in the EU. The EU has specific requirements for what can be in an EULA, and things like "you aren't allowed to sell access to the software, because you don't own it", are legal, as they are a reasonable expectation.

If you disagree that something in an EU is an unreasonable expectation, you can take it to court in an EU country.

>>714154350
>still can't quite believe why this whole affair has caused so much outrage
corpos are headed by manchildren businessmen who can't stand when number doesn't go up faster than last quarter. they hate not being control that much
it's not rocket science

>>714149372 (OP)
It's because you're attempting to create a law that forces businesses to relinquish their own property.

>>714157540
Homemade Red Lobster using the old recipes is miles better than actual current-day Red Lobster though

>>714155636
>>714156091
>Megaman did that
animal crossing too. nintendo released an offline version of AC pocket camp

>import millions of niggers into western countries
>but also steal entertainment of victim population that you've mainly turned into poz propaganda
the subhuman trash that opposes SKG deserves much, MUCH worse than simply being told "you can't steal money as much as before"

>>714153879
Because I might be interested in 10 years time long after it has shut down from hearing about it from those who played it and loved it. The rights of those who do buy these games should also be protected. Over 90% of studios are making live service games too, so you will have less options in the future that aren't live service.
Eliminating art and design also eliminates the lessons that future developers may learn from these games. If a future developer could never play Left 4 Dead, Helldivers, or Payday, key pillars of coop gaming, they can't ever learn the valuable design ideas that those games brought to the table.

>>714157509
>A community that gets its laughs by pretending to be retarded will eventually attract genuine retards who think they're in good company
>A community of genuine retards will eventually attract people who get their laughs by pretending to be retarded who think they're in good company
I'm not sure how many revolutions of the circle we're on, where we started or which of these two groups we're supposed to be.

>>714157540
Apt analogy.

>>714151295
Doing this is cheap but it still requires them to do it. What if they get bored of developing the game, move on to something else, the studio gets bought out in a fat juicy deal, but the new owner is some retarded corpo and because DRG is no longer updated (and maybe the playerbase has shrunk a lot by then), they just axe it as an entire project? And then in the corporate structure, none of their sysadmin guys get the memo to keep up the server, none of the beancounters have a spot to bill the $100 since the project is officially closed, and that's that.
Or for that matter what if they just all make bank over the years, decide to retire, sell off the assets and stop bothering with the matchmaking server?

It sounds unlikely but studios don't live forever, and games aren't kept in development forever. Some can last a very long time, 20, 25, 30+ years. But there's no guarantee any given game will be like that. Maybe in 10 years DRG will have become a niche autist's game with a player count of 500-2000 at most, still fun and still good but not culturally relevant, and the devs will have gotten bored of working on the same project for a decade, and then both of the above scenarios are on the table.

Meanwhile if they just release a custom matchmaking server anyone can run, this entire problem is a non-issue.

>>714157568
I just want to point how fucking retarded you are for thinking that anyone is "winning" or "losing" an argument right now. Coompetition-brained faggot.

>>714157446
Faggot

>>714157865
it's not my fault you never clicked the button and read the thing, kid

>>714156768
>striking a balance
how about you stop stealing games outright? there's no reason to balance consumer rights and corporate greed. the latter has no place in the industry
>>714157540
>I just ate at your restaurant
games are not restaurants you pathetic corpo shill

>>714157935
>stop stealing games

Why?

>What if you were allowed to own the games that you buy
>BUT GAMES ARE A SERVICE, THE LAW SAYS SO!
>But what if we made it so they weren't
>BUT THEY ARE. THE LAW SAYS SO
>How would you feel if you didn't have breakfast this morning?
>HUH? BUT I DID HAVE BREAKFAST THIS MORNING?

>>714157540
There is no expectation from a restaurant customer that the food will remain accessible after its eaten. It's fucking food, even if you took it home instead of eating it there, its gonna be uneatable within a week no matter what. This is common sense.
A videogames expiry date does not hold the same expectation. I can still play games on my fucking Snes without approval from daddy Nintendo. The vast majority of retards expect this when they buy games, and corporations abuse that so they can profit from planned obsolescence and predatory monetization schemes.

>>714157721
>Meanwhile if they just release a custom matchmaking server anyone can run, this entire problem is a non-issue.
But they would still be relying on continued hosting and discoverability of the files somewhere.
It's a recursive issue.

>>714157770
Go back newfag

>>714157994
resturants goes out of business can't eat there anymore
gaming server goes out of business can't play the game anymore.

>>714157987
You can buy the game, which is very expensive since it was costly to develop.

Or you can buy the very cheap single use software license, which grants you limited rights and access to the software.

The choice is yours.

>>714151784
>Ultra complex server structure like hosting a docker file on aws
This post reads like babbys first intro to compsci lmao wtf

>>714158096
>I have poop colored skin and spend 16 hours a day making terrible arguments on 4chan
Okay? Thanks for sharing weirdo.

>>714158069
So videogame companies can only exist by exploiting customers?
Man maybe we should change how that works huh

>>714156884
>sell game to users
>game requires you to pay for somebody else's license to host the servers
>the license is non-perpetual and renewable and you don't want to pay it forever
You make it sound like the law will place an undue burden on the gamedev, but the entire issue is how the game was sold in the first place. The dev KNEW they wouldn't pay the license forever, but they did not sell a time-limited game (nobody does), they sold it just as every other game ever is sold.

>inb4 the T&Cs say blah blah blah
I'm talking about the marketing. Every other industry has strict false advertising laws. But for some reason, for games, you can have a single player game that you "buy" and can play equally well 50 years from now. You can have a multiplayer "live service" game with custom s server support that you "buy" and can play 50 years from now. And on the exact same storefront, with the exact same "buy" button, and the exact same presentation and language, you can have a live service game that the developer well and fully knows customers are only renting for as long as the developer is going to be paying the third-party license.

>you MUST hand over your intellectual property to me
Nobody's transferring any property here, the dev just needs to grant a perpetual license to run the software. Exactly like they already do for the base game itself, in fact.

>>714158069
but I ate there one time and liked their spaghetti sauce
that means I should be able to have that spaghetti sauce any time I want, so lets go to the EU and change the law to that any restaurant has to provide any of their previous customers with the recipes they used

Kill yourself, subhuman shitskin.

Are you unironically comparing vidya to food? If so, please kys immediately .

>>714158132
Do you not understand the difference between a software license and the actual IP?

The product was created with the intent to sell access via licenses. It was not created with the intent to sell the entire IP to end users.

Is this confusing?

>>714149372 (OP)
They're not asking for servers to be maintained? Just some way to play it offline.

>>714150794
Here's the solution.
We go back to how things were twenty years ago when devs gave the consumer the tools they need to make their own servers so the onus falls entirely on the consumer.

>>714158210
You're putting more effort into this than me. I'm just laughing at your brown skin and how you spend your free time. Loser brownoid.

>>714158069
OK? But the meal that I ate there doesn't get forcibly ripped out of my guts because the restaurant went under. What point are you trying to make? The restaurant can't demand I vomit the meal up at the door because I paid for booth time not food. This analogy has nothing to do with anything you're just going off on a random tangent.

>>714158180
it's a service.
They both produce products. The chefs are the game devs. The restaurant is the game server. If they don't have money to pay their devs and the game server of course it will go out of business.

>>714149372 (OP)
Because a heckin' transphobarino chuddy might host the most popular server and refuse to ban people for saying the heckin n-word.

>>714158038
Nah, filehosting is an easy problem. For starters, the matchmaking server can be bundled with the game files - it's almost definitely tiny, when games are multi-GB then a few megabytes for a simple web service is negligible - and then, by definition, as long as anyone has a copy of the game itself, they can also run the matchmaking server.

>>714158180
no he's right, we should start a petition to force restaurants that close to give away their recipes so we can keep eating the food we like

its a good idea

>>714158239
>typing a reply on 4chan requires effort
maybe for you :)

>>714152613
Ah, look at the proud American hoping for China to save his favourite corporations from Europe.

>>714156846
Beds R Us can't come and take your bed back because they want you to buy a new one. Stupid big government liberal trannies want to hamstring the bed industry with this shit, bed distributors should be within their legal rights to undistribute.

>>714158251
Ok you're trolling, I fell for it though

>>714158226
No. I say ban the poors.

>>714157770
Sounds like someone's mad they lost

>>714158292
Brown subhuman lol. Now reply again mindbroken bitch!

>>714149372 (OP)
If companies reject this reality, why don't they ignore piracy too?

>>714158309
How is he wrong?

I ate the food once, that means I deserve to have the recipe if I want to eat it again.

>>714156141
So make us understand retard. Make a single good argument why being locked out of a game with forced server connection (at worst cases in 100% single-player game) would be beneficial.

>>714158309
Obviously. Anyone who says this shit needs to explain why companies who used to make games with dedicates server features built in didn't go out of business because of it.

#stopkillingfood

If you close your restaurant just give away the recipes, it's unacceptable that food I like is no longer available just because a business closed.

>>714158402
Nu-trolling is when you type up paragraphs upon paragraphs for 12 hours to get like two replies.

Sad!

You kids are clearly more angry and invested than the people you're "trolling"

>>714158310
Well I say ban the moors so fuck off nigger.

>>714158429
> Make a single good argument

this is a funny argument because every recipe for everything ever made is available online and easily searchable on google and nobody is trying to get all the recipes taken down

>>714158503
>moors
That's what killed Jack.

>>714158475
Food has a shelf life you nigger. Video Games don't

>>714158559
>>714157987
Already addressed

>>714158568
Recipes for restaurants are intellectual property, and considered trade secrets.

>>714158559
>Laws are good no matter what
How many amendments does the American Constitution have these days?

>>714158606
allcaps screeching denial of reality isn't a rebuttal, and I'm very sorry that you think it is

The funny thing is the initiative will pass and the hundreds of hours you wasted here will be for nothing.

How is an actual Indian having a melty one over this?

>>714157540
>Buy a brand new mercedes
>Drive it for a year, have a blast
>One day a Mercedes truck pulls up on my driveway and a team of engineers remove the engine from my car and drive away
>I call them up to ask wtf is going on
>"Sorry anon we don't support this product anymore and we don't allow self-service so we went and took your engine away, it's all in the goypr- I mean smallprint of the purchase order so this is above board, btw we just released a new model you should buy that one!"

>>714158559
How about them putting that on the store when you rent it. Weird how nobody seems to want to do that and instead hides it on page 127 of a document nobody reads.

>>714158667
>Screeching denial of reality isn't a rebuttal
I totally agree with you : )

That's why I just make fun of you for fun while you take this super duper seriously.

>>714158475
Based peasant cuck telling it like it is

>>714158498
>You kids are clearly more angry and invested

Nice projection faggot I literally just dumped 3 lines in this thread and watched you shit yourself

>>714158752
why you gay tho

>>714152062
Actually with how liscensing goes, they likely cannot legally release the docker image

>>714158735
>How about them putting that on the store when you rent it.

You're dumb.

>>714158752
>Breaks character to immediately cry and be defensive
LOL

TOTALLY not mad

>>714158559
So your argument is "this existing regulation is good but other regulation bad"? lmao

>>714158797
Stop hitting yourself.

>>714158821
Too late. Broke character. I win.

>>714158572
No, that was the moops.

Oh no no no this is an actual banner

>>714158821
Stop shitting yourself.

>>714158808
>I'm gunna heckin dismantled the entire software licensing and IP system with my petition!

probably not, the EU is very pro-IP and rabidly cracks down on piracy where it can

making this about IP is a surefire way to get your movement shitcanned before it can even really get going

>>714158707
It's more accurate to say that they won't service your vehicle and don't have parts to do so, which is common in real life when car companies go bankrupt. That's why collector cars are a thing, anon.

>>714158915
But anon, we already won. So this "advice" means nothing.

>>714156768
IP law is government regulation you faux-libertarian corpo cocksucker.

>>714158947
No its like the car company saying
>We aren't supporting this car anymore and you aren't allowed to run it or have it serviced by a 3rd party

Bros, I just found out that Indians literally SHIT in the street. Right on the pavement.

What the FUCK!?

>>714158947
That is common, but it'd be more like if the car has to phone home to function. You have all the parts, the car is functional otherwise. It just won't work without the okay from the company.

>>714159035
That's not true.

Most of their "streets" are just dirt roads.

>>714159024
>bring toyota truck from the 80's into the toyota service center
>"uhh sorry we don't service this model anymore, we don't even have the parts and can't source them"
>WTF MONEY STOLEN

>>714157304
>historians won't care about the earliest decades of a new artform
You are retarded.

>>714158915
Literally nothing would prevent a company to issue identical licence but with indefinite time instead of one that ends arbitrarily when company wants. Its just cheaper that way since you dont have to have end of life plan. Its not that big of a change and does not require one to dismantle entire software licencing and IP system. You´re argumenting on hyperboles.

Retards in this thread couldn't finish Deus Ex because when UNATCO activate the killswitch they just accepted it and closed the game.

>>714158980
>we already won
what did you win?

>>714159104
>Literally nothing....except cost...could blah blah blah
heh

>>714159019
IP law isn't regulation you fucking moron, it's registration.

>>714159082
except for
>parts are clearly visible in the back and easily and infinitely retuned and distributed for free with basically no labor involved

>>714159062
no (real) car works like this thoughbeit just teslashit

>>714159082
>he thinks you can't get parts for 80s Toyotas of all things

>>714158947
You can still service and drive cars that are out of production and have no official sources for parts you dumb busrider, hell there are whole companies that spawn just to make third party aftermarket parts for these cars

Once a live service slop provider decides to pull the plug however there is absolutely nothing you can do bar attempting to reverse engineer the code to spin up private servers and even then projects like those usually get cease and desist threats

>>714159114
The Stop Killing Games initiative will have the required amount of signatures. It's just over. All that's left to do is laugh at nu-trolls tryhards.

>>714159019
you have never made, created, or sold anything in your life
you are a peasant who probably lives on welfare

>>714149372 (OP)
Americans are conditioned into thinking basic consumer rights is full-blown child killing communism

>>714159082
You can use literally any other mechanic, they can get the parts. Not the same thing. Form a better argument. Even locked down companies like Apple can have their shit repaired 3rd party if you really want.

>>714159214
Uh oh melty.

Third world browns really love the peasant insult.

>>714159174
>I can see them in the back they look just like mine!
>ma'am, those are for a completely different car

>>714159175
Thank god. I hope that never becomes standard. I already get pissed off with how much electronic shit are in cars.

>>714159082
>Be loser
>Maybe trolling anons will make me happy
>Too dumb to troll. Have to write paragraphs to bait like two or three replies
>WTF I'M STILL MISERABLE

Instead of everyone trying to fight a losing battle because the game company releasing all software related to the hosting of the game servers is never going to happen. Can we actually fight for something reasonable and incredibly helpful to preserving games with nandotory online connection?
There are 2 things that should be simple for the company to do and not be a legal nightmarr, because if you didn't know, these companies are using enterprise software that cannot be distributed in their back end.
>1. A final patch to the game that allows for setting the addreass the game connects to via a config file
This would bypass the need for the community to find and patch that part of the executable or edit your HOSTS file.
>2. Release a PDF file describing in detail all the communication protocols of the game
This would save the community the majority of work that comes with creating a private server as otherwise you need to reverse engineer literal gigabytes of packet data that covers every scenaorio in the game
A nice 3rd thing that could be nice would be database dumps with any user data stripped obviously.

>>714159249
>they can get the parts
uhhh that will be...well damn these are rare, it's going to be $500 for this, and $800 for that, and we need to get Bob back in the shop only he knows how to install this shit on a car this old, so he might come in for $50 an hour 5 hour minimum ...so how about it?

>>714159082
But you don't need official support. You can just get aftermarket parts. Aftermarket parts can be made because people can just look "under the hood". That's all people are asking for, the ability to make "aftermarket servers". Your analogy is kinda shit.

>>714159368
Intelligent post, however the core skigger community isn't interested in reality, they are interested in free stuff forever.

>>714159378
>Old Toyota parts
>Rare
>Requires specialist knowledge
You are exposing yourself as both tech illiterate and a bus rider at the same time, are you even old enough to drive?

>>714159082
Car companies unironically support their cars more reliably than videogame companies do. It's fucking trivial to get parts for an old Toyota of all things. Yeah maybe I can't get official parts for some 1960s collectors car which only 200 models were made, but its about reasonable expectations. I can probably find a company that would be willing to custom make said parts though.
The effort and cost to end of lifing videogames is microscopic compared to car parts and servicing.

Zoomers have been raised as cattle from their earliest age and are bewildered at the idea of not being treated like cattle

>>714159537
>>714159512
>>714159424
>europoor peasants expose just how europoor they are by explaining their extensive knowledge of cheap old used car parts

potery

>>714159596
>potery
SAAAAAAAAAAR

>>714159368
So instead of releasing software that's already been made you expect developers to go out of their way to make a patch and documentation?
Honestly, do you think more work is an easier and better solution?

>>714159564
It's also Americans.
There is no country on earth more proud of having the freedom to whore their own asshole to a corporation.

>>714159451
I would also like the whole thing to be extended to IoT devices to prevent e-waste which would also in my opinion make it easier to get any laws for this passed.

>>714159564
>There are people that have never experienced owning a game
>it's only going to get worse as digital literacy plummets

>>714159537
>The effort and cost to end of lifing videogames is microscopic
If you want to be taken seriously you should get feedback about this from actual developers and include it in your activism so a trustworthy source can be referenced.

Part of activism is establishing legitimacy and trust.

>>714159639
They legally cannot release said software with how enterprise liscensing works. Which is why I'm saying its not a reasonable ask.

>>714159596
>Clearly can't afford to own a car
>Calls others poor

>>714159693
what game do you own?

Seriously why are games the only ones that have this discussion? Books and movies have people preserving them all the time. You try to apply that same logic to games and suddenly you get people crawling out of the woodwork saying you're a retard that just want free games.

>>714159703
Microscopic compared to the car industry and the expectations they already uphold.
Nice editing job on the quote shill.

>>714159596
americans, land of the corporate slaves

>>714159760
I live in Singapore, it doesn't make sense to own a car for me, since public transportation is excellent and if I want to drive somewhere I can hail a car via app for cheap.

Owning a car here is ludicrously expensive both in taxes, upkeep, and parking. I'd rather spend that money on vacations to exotic locations and on dating beautiful women.

>>714159082
>toyota
you literally could not have chosen a worse example to lean on, mr nocar
t. got his mums yaris verso unfucked a week ago

>>714159757
I should also add that patching the executable to be able to set the addresses is going to be a requirement anyways even if they released thee server software or not.

>>714149372 (OP)
It's scary how offensive the mere idea of consumer protection is to the average burger.

>>714159812
>Microscopic compared to the car industry and the expectations they already uphold.
>Nice editing job on the quote shill.

You don't know if that's true at all. It's pure speculation and it sounds like it. Do not pretend to be an authority on a subject you know nothing about, it makes you look untrustworthy. I'll repeat myself, and you should pay attention for your own sake.

>Part of activism is establishing legitimacy and trust.

>>714149372 (OP)
Businesses will determine if releasing games on the European market will cost more in up-front development costs than they project to earn from the continent. If you're not European you wouldn't know this, but there are a lot of American and Asian (especially Japanese) businesses that geoblock the entire EU because they didn't make enough money from the union compared to how much it would cost to put up cookie naggers and to buy European servers to store European customer data on. The European consumer isn't worth a lot right now, and regulation can only really bring that down even further.

>>714149372 (OP)
Reminder to support shortening of copyright and to support the Public Domain.

>>714159873
>another europoor exposes himself as being poor as fuck toyota enjoyer

this whole movement has the same energy as student loan forgiveness does in the US.
if you don't like the situation, stop buying into the system and sustaining it. don't cry to the government to save you from your own bad decisions.

>>714159782
books and movies are art. games are toys. do we preserve toys from 200 years ago?

>>714159842
>Admits to being a bus rider
>Admits he can't afford to own a car
What possessed you to even open your mouth on the subject

>>714159897
I think a lot of us are discouraged when we see faggots like Thor push against it. The cold reality is that most people living in the US are swayed by bad actors, and the rest are apathetic.

>>714159948
I have no proof but the person you quoted is clearly an Australian

>>714159962
>muh walkable cities eurotard going in against public transport
oh here we go

>>714159897
But America has federal agencies created for the purpose of protecting consumers from duplicitous business practices.

>>714159024
That's actually exactly what John Deere does with tractors.

>>714160073
It sure has.
https://youtu.be/XIoBLdtXWpc

>>714159842
>Owning a car here is ludicrously expensive both in taxes, upkeep, and parking.
LMAO LITERAL SINGAPOOR

>>714150213
>Stuck competing with their old game
Should have made a better game then

>>714160146
Well I won't be buying any tractors from them

>>714160146
Didn't they lose that suit?

>>714159904
nta, but dedicated servers used to be the standard for decades and the only thing that changed was corporations wanted more control. dedicated servers are literally the simplest solution possible to the problem of server hosting have tons of benefits for both parties, like offload costs onto the consumer and the consumer being in charge of moderation

>>714159368
This idea has already been proposed by Ross. He refers to it as repair instructions like other products have. This is a potential good option but I would rather have server binaries or containers so there's less manual lifting involved for both the developer and the end consumer.

>>714159757
The licensing will change in response or they will move to another company that will offer agreeable terms to be compliant with the EU market.

>>714159927
>but there are a lot of American and Asian (especially Japanese) businesses that geoblock the entire EU because they didn't make enough money from the union
Yeah. Local news sites and companies that only do business in their local market. No one that does any meaningful business in the EU leaves the EU.

>>714159951
That no longer applies anymore.

The people keeping Onlyfans thots alive are married husbands.

The people keeping the beer industry as big as it is are addicts.

The people who keep mobile gaming alive are addicts.

The gambling industry is kept alive by addicts.

All of these businesses target addicts. Every, single, one. The issue is that addicts have shaped every industry now. I want to play games like they were back in 2008 with community run servers banning hackers and bots that the bigger company won't fucking do before shutting the servers down so I can't play it at all. I have moderation, I have temperament, why the fuck am I still beholden to a fraction of the population who can't control themselves? Why do I have to abide by rules set by companies to cater to THOSE PEOPLE? Especially when it's all short-term, unhealthy, profit chasing shit that destroys the industry and the job market in the long term. Eventually, people get tired of the addicts. Look at dating apps right now, completely fucking dead because whores couldn't keep their legs closed for more than 5 minutes and swiped against every guy that wasn't an 8 or higher.

>>714160073
And all they do is embezzle money while the banking industry exists.

the real goal of this petition is to get shit companies to stop the always online shit by the way
really should be obvious but i guess in certain areas of the world (below the equator) the sun bakes your brain and lowers its efficiency

>>714160252
But the FDA existing didn't destroy the pharmaceutical industry, right? I woke up in my home reality?

>>714160225
>the only thing that changed was corporations wanted more control
that's not the only thing that changed tho

ENTER
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-lHJZR3Gqxm24_Vd_AJ5Yw/community?lb=UgkxDOfgv1AypYAVpigFHR3BpegSZ8PkOYC0

>>714160321
Would you consult the price of insulin?

>third worlders hate it
it finally all makes fucking sense
>the CP spam in the threads
>the constant crying about how it would hurt gacha games or whatever the fuck
>the barrage of ESL shit

>>714157176
Government and laws are supposed to be the will of the people.

>>714160162
Singapore is the wealthiest country in Asia by a very(very) long shot. It's also crowded, expensive, and over regulated, but they do have very good public transport due to the constraints of being a tiny nation state that operates a huge underclass of brown near-slave labor that does everything, and they need a way to get around.

>>714159842
Hahahahahahahahha

>>714155659
>"Vote with your wallet!"
>vooting mentality in general
Must be a really comfy rock you're hiding under.

>>714160321
The Federal Reserve is a private company, and FIAT currency is completely fake. There's a lot of corruption in big pharma but you can't say the pharmaceutical industry is fake. It's a false equivalence.

>>714160473
how do companies make stuff without people? are they made out of robots?

>>714160438
They are just salty that they don't live in glorious Europe.

>>714159768
I have/had physical discs and cases of my PS2/3 games, a few GB cartridges, PC demos from magazines from late 90s/early 20s and a few PC games i bought from that period. All of these belong to (me).

>>714160412
If you want insulin to be affordable you could probably ask the government to regulate prices then you fucking communist.

>>714149372 (OP)
People who sides with video game developers are always trash.

>>714160656
Sorry to say, but you do not own the software on those discs. Even if they are abandonware, that does not mean you actually own the IP.

>>714149862
Pedo tendies are getting uppity again.

>>714160504
>he doesn't know
and I hope you never find out, this place is already too crowded

>>714160572
They offload the work to non-people (third worlders)

>>714160727
You're right, but the product is never going to be removed from his shelf, nor is there going to be an updated disc that removed features or censored content that magically replaces the disc on his shelf.

>>714160727
I can play most of those even today. I will be able to play most of them 100 years from now, and noone can do anything about it.

At this rate it's going to hit it in a week. It's going to win. IT'S GOING TO FUCKING WIN.

>>714160438
>european move
>the most vocal against is the typical american white corpo rat
>not even close to the objective
>"Oh I know! it's third worlders fault!! They are... eh... not signing!"
Classic cuck.

>>714160968
I hope it goes forward so the EU can smack it down and call you retarded for wasting their time.

>>714153868
god I wish

>>714161043
You're seething so badly. I love it.

I already signed 10 months ago but now I want to make my friends and family sign it too. How can I shill the initiative without sounding like a cringelord?
I'm Italian btw

>>714149372 (OP)
Do people unironically enjoy getting shat on by Jews?
>buy game
>it gets discontinued
>servers shut down
>buy the new game with exact same shit goy
god forbid those spiritual Jews are forced to make new games with actual improvements over their old ones so playerbase chooses to move on from the old one instead of being forced to.

>>714161159
tell them they are uninvited to christmas unless they sign it and show you proof

>>714161159
"Here's an imitative to get the EU to fight against planned obsolesce in software and entertainment."

sorry goy but your games are just like your ethnically homogenous nations and birth rates: STOLEN
and there's nothing you can do about it

>>714149372 (OP)
If this actually passed wouldn’t that mean basically all multiplayer games would go free to play overnight so you can’t actually own anything? I can’t see the big companies wanting to abide by this

>>714160073
But somehow said protection is basically non existent in the US. In the EU they have their own goberment agency that will fight multi billion dollar corpos on their behalf, even if it takes a while.
In the US you have class action lawsuits that are even remotely comparable since a single person can never go up against a corpo.

>>714161174
I don't buy or play shit games, so it's not a problem for me. It understandable how some shit eating peasant niggercattle get upset when they lose access to their slop though.

>>714161174
gamergatorss!!!

>>714161238
What? No.

>>714161159
Something something garlic
Something something gabaghoul

>we were 2 hours ahead for 1k sigs per hour (e.g. 14:00 has 16k sigs)
>now we're 6 hours/6k sigs ahead
What in the actual fuck?

>the ferret fucker who wanted to kill the movement ended up saving it instead
KEK

>>714161289
Damn. This is a shame. This guy actually has good credits. Hurts knowing he's a faggot.

>>714156881
I ASSURE YOU
that not all of us are and that once boomers and gen Xers are dead we will be fine again since Millennials are all too black pilled to do anything and gen Z and A are marginally better
t. millennial who hates millennials

>>714161238
No, it's just means that at EOL for the game, there'd be tool released or an update to make it playable without their involvement.
The goal is for there to be an end plan involved for GAAS games beyond just switching off the servers.

>>714161238
the petition reaching the EU doesn't mean anything on its own, it just means the EU will review it and decide if its something that can/should be changed, and if money is worth spending on investigating the issue. If at that point it becomes an issue, politicians and lawyers and regulators will get involved and then explain how many much stands to be gain/lost vs. how much the niggercattle can be tamed/managed, and if niggercattle appeasment is on the table, some seemingly pro-consumer changes might happen in terms of EU regulation, that are sure to make game development in EU more expensive, which is ALSO a good thing for the EU, because they can control development via grants and subsidies, and thereby influence the content of european developed games.

>>714161369
This gave me a boner.

>>714161238
what is the reading, or any, comprehension...

be honest /v/ why are people this against this, like actually against violently angry against this

Marx eternally BTFOd at direct democracy actually working as intended by the way.

>>714161369
Pewdiepie. All it took was the guy making a fucking youtube post.

>gaas are shit and need to die
>also we need to be able to play gaas slop if they die

kek

>>714149862
you forgot to mention tendies
all online multiplayer functionality is dead

>>714161568
They're either shills or libertarians that see every government action as a step towards stalinism

>>714161568
cool it with the antisemitism

>>714157468
UM BECAUSE COMMUNISM AND A FAGGOT WHO FUCKS FERROTS

>>714161568
Easy (You)s

>>714161570
>direct democracy
>subverting your actual nation and going directly to globohomo and trying to force a niche issue with exaggerated claims of cultural relevance

oof

>>714161608
prior to the switch*

>>714161568
unironic shills or shitheaded contrarians

>>714161608
>tendies
?
Nintendo is the only company of the big 3 to have released an offline version of a GaaS, and the only one to have never made a live service game that's online-only. They're completely unaffected anon-chan. I'm a nintendofag and I've been shilling this petition for the past year.

>>714161467
You even have to offer EOL support for a free game?

>>714161289
>Nooo!! you can't just decide what games get made!!!
>don't forget to buy the Early Access so we can go on this amazing journey together :)

i don't want to "go on a journey" with a game dev ever again. release a finished product and i might buy it.

>>714161608
>>714161676
I think you're misreading what the ECI is about. As long as the games remain playable, the servers can be down.

Btw lads, 300k more signatures. 300k signatures and its done. Hopefully Ecelebs can pull through with the shilling given Ross has made it clear he's gonna whore SKG out to anybody with an audience.

>>714161568
>critiquing a company or government - GOOD thing
>critiquing a political movement - BAD thing

>>714161594
There are genuinely good games trapped behind gacha slop and gaas, and if kept unchecked, it's going to spread more and more, because it allows companies to have total control over their products, and also make older products unavailable to push new ones.

Pirate, who loves to tout how he worked at Blizzard. The company that just literally deleted Overwatch 1 from existence, because they put out Overwatch 2. The same company that deleted the classic version of World of Warcraft, and took massive backlash for them to implement it into the game again.

>>714161789
As people mentioned before with F2P games, there's been some that have converted F2P games into single payment games.

>>714161842
>its done
no
300k signatures and then it can finally begin

>>714160230
So what, it happens because of regulations, therefore it won't increasingly happen because of increased regulation?
It's not like I disagree with the intent of the initiative. It's just going to change the calculation, which will change the result in some cases.
If Europeans spent more on video games than Americans did there wouldn't be a question of if anyone will comply. There are going to be some businesses for which the increased cost will not be worth it.

>>714161886
access to video games isn't a human right

>>714161891
Exactly, it's what happened with pic related. It's a 20 dollar purchase with all your data being transferable, and all MTX removed.

>>714161898
well yeah but the part that requires regular joes and schmoes will be done with none of the campaigning

>>714149372 (OP)
>Single greatest threat to videogames
MOLDMAN IS GROWING STRONGER

>>714161940
And corporations aren't upheld to laws solely dictated on what's a "human right."

>>714155636
Senran Kagura gacha devs offered an offline End of Service mode for their users.

>>714161940
Access to the shit I paid for is literally the basis of property rights which are the single most important rights.
>>714162006
Even if they were, property rights are human rights.

>I played this game once therefore I get to say what the company does with the IP forever

lol

>>714149372 (OP)
The idea of playing a multiplayer game that DOESNT allow player run servers like tf2 and counter strike have always had makes me sick. This should be considered bare minimum standard for any multiplayer game

>>714162083
I bought this game once therefore I get to use it as much as I want, actually. Nice strawman though.

>>714161891
>>714161979
So SKG is asking for free games to offer EOL access?

>>714161825
you can't do anything online besides buying the game that loses a massive chunk of its functionality because all the online gameplay on the 3ds has been cut
nintendo would be told to fuck off and forced to release their server files if they weren't in a walled garden

>>714161712
Nintendo has released Super Mario 35 and shut it down.

>>714162083
>with the IP
???

No, I bought the game, I get to play it whenever I want.

>>714162083
I appreciate you, anon. You're bumping the thread, and offering easy strawmen to tear down. You're being a good heel.

>>714158707
>>One day a Mercedes truck pulls up on my driveway and a team of engineers remove the engine from my car and drive away
No, you never had the parts in the first place. It's more like you were remotely controlling your car by sending a signal from your car to the Mercedes headquarters, and then they decode the signal and send it back as instructions for the car to move. And then one day, Mercedes shuts down the service that decodes the signal.

And then you try to sue, saying your entitled to the decoder.

>>714162116
>the 'game' he bought

>>714162117
>So SKG is asking for free games to offer EOL access?
SKG is asking for ANY game with a form of purchase (MTX, single purchase) but NOT subscription, to have an EOL plan. This could be as easy as giving offline versions of the games to those who have paid for microtransactions, or simply making a new premium version of the app with all the content you can transfer your data to.

>>714162148
>you gotta let me access your IP forever even if you are changing it
>"No"

>>714162217
>easy
>simply
:)

Noo people want to play my game noooooo

>>714162124
"Functional playable state" is the wording utilized. Playing the campaign in Splatoon 1 classifies, for example.
>>714162140
>Nintendo has released Super Mario 35 and shut it down
Super Mario 35 was a free bonus with the NSO subscription service, which classifies it under the subscription bracket. It didn't have an option for purchase.

>>714162243
If this goes well, you don't get to say no.

The kind of metal deficiency that would make you predisposed to be strongly against a pro-consumer advocacy movement really should be studied.

>>714162030
>property rights
glad we agree, see
>>714162167
it is indeed a property rights issue, and the owner of that property (intellectual property, in fact) is the one who gets to decide what they do with it and how licenses they sell interact with it

>>714162243
I buy the game, I get to play the game. Simple as. Anything else is a scam.

>>714149862
You say that like Nintendo fanboys don't shit themselves over the same things. All fanboys are retards. It's a necessary requirement for being a fanboy.

>>714162286
Indeed. Do you think when those games are tested internally the devs have to swipe their credit card?

>>714162030
>property rights
glad we agree, see
>>714162167
it is indeed a property rights issue, and the owner of that property (intellectual property, in fact) is the one who gets to decide what they do with it and how licenses they sell interact with it

>>714162217
While I think that would be great ultimately for consumers/archival it does seem like overstepping. Personally it doesn’t feel like you are owed a game because you bought a 99 cent micro or whatever

>>714162243

>old game is still fine
>devs kill it out of spite
they can go fuck themselves


>old game is dead
>devs abandon it
they lose nothing by releasing the server files

is there a single scenario where you can make yourself look good

>>714162367
>>714162402
Uh oh! Stinky!

>>714162337
"A: No, we would not require the company to give up any of its intellectual property rights, only allow players to continue running the game they purchased. In no way would that involve the publisher forfeiting any intellectual property rights." - www.stopkillinggames.com/faq

So are you a skigger or an anti?

>>714162392
everything is free and easy in communist fantasy land, that's why it's no problem to force people to labor to make it!

>>714162340
Pirate hates it because he's an investor in Rivals of Aether 2. That's what his mind goes to when thinking about "indie" live service games. There's almost next to no "indie" live service games of note. He's protecting his own ass.

>>714162402
>muh license
>muh intellectual property
don't care, I want to own the things I buy and anyone who stands in the way of that can go fuck a rake

>>714162379
>You say that like Nintendo fanboys don't shit themselves over the same things
I mean, they don't. The closest thing to it was the other day when some dude was making fun of sonyfags.

>>714162439
Of course there'd be case-by-case arbitration or a minimum purchase threshold. I was making a generic example.

>>714162440
>they lose nothing by releasing the server files
omgosh so easy! :D you've really thought of everything you clever boy :)

just release the server files! Wow, I hope somebody hires you soon and pays you a lot of money for your technical expertise

>>714162243
So why didn't valve fail since we all have "access to their IP"?

>>714162498
>I want to own the things I buy
And you do. The issue is that you didn't think about what you were buying.

>>714162379
>Nintendo fanboys don't shit themselves over the same things
Nintendo fanboys literally create hacked console networks to play long dead games. I imagine they'd be more than happy to have an easier way to preserve shit.

>>714162603
>And you do
not currently, but that's subject to change

>>714150794
That's fine. I will continue to play Rollercoaster Tycoon.

>>714162340
Collective bargaining has been a disaster for the industrial revolution

>>714162559
>no argument
releasing those server files is a minimal amount of work
go on, tell us why this initiative would fuck over anyone that doesn't deserve it with their hatred of the customer

Reminder that everyone saying this is about owning IP is a disingenuous shitposter. No one seeks to own the IP rights, they seek to own the product that was sold to them. You do not possess the IP rights of Lord of the Rings when you buy a book, you're not free to produce sequels or edit it for sale, you do own the product that is the book's copy.

>>714162559
Oh no. A modicum amount of work.

>>714162653
Nope. Literally nothing can challenge the ownership of what you bought.

>>714162704
>releasing those server files is a minimal amount of work
proofs?

>>714162504
>I mean, they don't
Yes they do. Nintendo has shut down online for plenty of games and Nintendo fanboys constantly shit themselves over emulation, which includes things like Pretendo and other features, which adds online back to those abandoned titles. The kind of sony pony in that image is also of the exact same sort as the nintendo drone that'll @ the FBI over emulation.

I've signed it 4 times already, one for each of my genders

>>714162708
>they seek to own the product that was sold to them
The product in question:

>>714162316
It doesn't make it right. Nintendo isn't your friend. Plus, just look at all of the pokemon games that you can't play now that you could spend money on.

>>714162497
That explains a lot. Incidentally, that game has a strong shill presence here.

>>714162545
But even still, the logistics of it are basically you have to offer your formerly free game, for sale, forever. It’s kind of ironic lol

>>714162778
It will be a shame when corporations have to abide by the law and let people play the the games they bought :^(

Reading this thread one can see a clear pattern: Malevolent retards who think too highly of themselves, who suffered a lot in life since they are garbage and trash people tend to oppose the idea and "movement".

Makes you think, huh?

>>714162708
>You do not possess the IP rights of Lord of the Rings when you buy a book,
The problem is that you're asking for control over their server software which of course belongs to them as their intellectual property or even the third party who owns it.
Looking to take control of that means this initiative is about owning IPs. The problem is that you, Ross and everyone else behind this initiative doesn't know that code and such falls under IP too.

>>714162760
>shut down online for plenty of games
Not to the degree that would render them unplayable, which is the issue SKG is tackling.
>Nintendo fanboys constantly shit themselves over emulation
Unrelated?
>which includes things like Pretendo and other features
Purposefully misconstruing server emulation with console game emulation, pretendo is supported and enjoyed by everyone, even those who have a Wii U.
>The kind of sony pony in that image is also of the exact same sort as the nintendo drone that'll @ the FBI over emulation
These are entirely separate issues. The fanboys you speak of generally love owning things and Nintendo officially supporting their products for years after shutdown would be cause for celebration.

>>714162856
you can buy the game, it would probably cost around 100 million dollars to own it

fortunately you the consumer can access it on a single use basis with restrictions, with a software license

>>714162876
examples?

>>714149372 (OP)
qrd?

if you're mad about software licensing then that's a whole other thing, and maybe you should put your energy into getting that changed instead of begging for scraps

>>714160727
are you retarded? if you buy a BMW you don't own the brand. you do own the fucking car.

Which games do you think will stop releasing in the EU because of this?
Probably most gachas since like 5% of their revenue comes from the EU

>>714162790
>It doesn't make it right. Nintendo isn't your friend.
I'm not saying either of those things. I'm simply explaining why Nintendo as a company would be barely affected by this, and how it wouldn't make sense for its fans to melt down about it. I'm not making a statement about ethics or morality, god knows the issues they have on that end, just legal matters.

>>714162740
it's a file that runs on a computer somewhere
how hard do you think it is to change the variables that make clients phone to specific computers

>>714162778
Yeah so what if, the company didn't only sell their games as a license?

>>714163031
Buyfags unironically think that devs need to release the source code of each one of their games

>>714162760
>Nintendo has shut down online for plenty of games and Nintendo fanboys constantly shit themselves over emulation,
With Nintendo shut downs it's either for a free game or just with the loss of the online servers which of course they don't own since they rent from others.
In the case of emulation, you are aware that you're talking about people who would eagerly wait for dumps and would even prank each other with Cory in the House ROMs right? I don't think any Nintendo fan has ever actually cared about emulation beyond retards looking to get one up on Nintendo spamming it over twitter.

>>714163010
pirate software? actual bully victim with severe mental issues.
and this guy: >>714163010 and most other people in this thread who just repeat bullshit lines like hurr you cannot change the status quo.

>>714162959
>fortunately you the consumer can access it on a single use basis with restrictions
Licenses with restrictions will continue to exist, but the ability for a corporation to make a product they sold retroactively no longer function, will be illegal.

>>714149372 (OP)
>Why does the idea of allowing players to host servers cause such a reaction?
because they can't police it

>>714163083
No they don't

>>714163039
thats cool but we are talking about video games

>>714162790
Nintendo did however, give this anon a swirlie in the 5th grade, which explains why he's still seething about them now, a full 3 years later.

>>714163167
Yes they do
t. Buychad

>>714162790
>Nintendo isn't your friend
I like when people like you say this because you're the only ones treating them like friends you can bargain with rather than people who just provide games.

>>714163068
>how hard do you think
idk but neither do you, obviously
maybe you should ask somebody who knows and has done it about how much work it would be in the cases they have experience with?

>>714149372 (OP)
Gen Z groomed to enjoy content they can't control. Go against the grooming, they lose their minds!

>>714162790
I will spend 20 Euro on Fire Emblem Heroes Complete and I will like it.

>>714149372 (OP)
>Why does the idea of allowing players to host servers cause such a reaction?
the primary method of "anti-fascist" mental castration and molestation of the youth (stealing money for truthful speech) must go on to fully lobotomize Western boys and men.

>>714163083
that would be excellent, what are you on about
if you're no longer selling the game then why do you give a shit if someone is tinkering with it? maybe you should've continued selling it instead of being destructively spiteful?

>>714163142
>but the ability for a corporation to make a product they sold retroactively no longer function, will be illegal.
Which hasn't happened. If you buy a game with DRM and it can't connect its still functioning. The file or disc isn't broken.

>>714159082
Please for the love of god be trolling.

>>714163136
Is pirate posting in this thread with us?

>>714163142
>you have to make sure everything you ever sold works FOREVER
lol

>>714163235
i have ran dozens of servers for my friends you chimp
it's not hard by any stretch and if you disagree you have no fucking fundamental idea what a server even is

>>714149372 (OP)
I just answered this in the other thread.

>>714163267
Yeah why isn't mcdonkeys releasing the top secret recipes of burgers that they no longer see?

Go on, post your
>food analogy
because that's the ONLY counter argument that you will be able to cope up with

>>714163324
>Sell a perpetual license
>WHAT THE FUCK, PERPETUAL MEANS FOREVER???
That's Ubisoft.

>>714163283
>Which hasn't happened
Of course it has. You buy the game to play it, not play frisbee with the disk.

>>714149862
Based noticer. Sony fanboys are truly the worst

>>714149372 (OP)
>dorks world wide can play a game from 30 years ago on a dead server
This isn't about WoW tho

>>714163368
>food analogy

>>714163370
>sell license to use product
>discontinue product
>product no longer exists, so license to use it means nothing
oops :(

>>714163306
I AM NOT! WHATEVER THE GUY SAYS, I AM NOT JASON!!! LISTEN TO MEE PLEASEE

>>714163130
>or just with the loss of the online servers which of course they don't own since they rent from others.
Nintendo's online is all p2p aside from matchmaking. It costs them next to nothing and all they're really taking away is the ability for people to use their own internet to be able to connect to each other to play online in the games they bought.

>buy book
>6 years later the DRM Police comes and says "we have lost publishing rights to the book" and sharpies every single line of text on it
>this is just and correct

>>714163492
Yet they don't shut down server emus, with how litigious they are, you'd expect them to do so. But they haven't.

>>714163501
>"Mr Government, please regulate my books for me!"
>That book is illegal now so bring it to the main square so we can burn it, thank you mr citizen.

>>714163306
Never said that, I just claimed that there is a clear pattern and that pattern also fits to that faggot.
You also just proved my point, pedantic retard who would do anything to be special and a contrarian WHO KNOWS THE ACTUAL TRUTH!

>>714163595
>strawman
Yep figured as much.

>>714163501
Already happened to ebooks btw. Stop buying games. "Physical" games are incomplete. You are causing this.

>>714163427
>Of course it has.
No, it hasn't. Again, if you buy a game with DRM and it can't connect its functioning exactly as intended. It's not broken.

>>714163706
>VOTE WITH YOUR WALLET!!!
I'd rather vote normally.

>>714163595
>man murders another man
>this is unjust. we should criminalize this
>what? you're going to have daddy government step in a clean up this mess for you?

>>714163756
It's not a vote, democracy is a sham. I'm telling you to stop rewarding people scamming you.

>>714149372 (OP)

no idea. 20 years ago every multiplayer game was like that. and even today minecraft which is perennially top 5 with gen alpha, zoomers and millennials works in the same way. its like people are pretending to be retarded when they claim to be baffled by how something like owning a game, or at least being supplied with the full suite of tools to play the game, and being able to host a server would work

>>714163757
Why don't you kill the killer, yourself?

>>714163368
>Yeah why isn't mcdonkeys releasing the top secret recipes of burgers that they no longer see?
because they're just as greedy and spiteful as the devs that will get fucked by stop killing games?
what's the point of hoarding recipes you thought were so bad that you discontinued them?
this would be closer to not being able to make any french fries whatsoever because mcdonalds has the copyright and then stops making them forever
you could easily learn how to do do it, you can see exactly what it is and it requires minimal effort on their part

>>714163492
>Nintendo's online is all p2p aside from matchmaking
Anon, don't be retarded. Local p2p doesn't utilise servers but world wide p2p does for discovery.
Renting servers for that would cost just as much as basic data storage because you're not paying for what you use it for, just the server itself.

>>714163757
>law is always fully beneficial to me, the little man
Oh boy...

>>714163854
Because that would make you a vigilante. which would also be wrong. Piracy is wrong. but if we just had functioning consumer rights laws, you wouldn't need it in the first place.

>>714163893
How is that different from what I said?

>>714163926
>the system is not beneficial to me
>we should strive to change it
>no, stop! you need to get assfucked by corporations right now
how about no?

>>714163837
I think the main difference is "matchmaking". a lot of online games nowadays use such system, and I think this is the most costly in managing an online game beyond their life, and would require significant alteration to the game itself to remove/replace. and who knows what kind of super sekrit algorithms they have in place for maximum engagement.

>>714163615
Did you link my post twice on accident?
I haven't read most of the posts in this thread because I know that they're all retarded (besides the ones that I made) so I don't know what you're talking about. I think Pirate's behavior is sufficiently explained by his business incentives.

>>714163973
But you said it would need to be criminalized, implying it's not illegal. Vigilantism implies illegality.

>>714163594
They can't shut down a lot of things for legal reasons. With how litigious they are, they certainly would, but they need a case first or they'll just embarrass themselves like with Palworld, which saw them see so much red and deemed such a threat over just improving their own offerings that they went for it anyway.

>>714164072
>who knows what kind of super sekrit algorithms they have in place for maximum engagement.
>*match people without cosmetics with people with cosmetics*

>>714164034
How about we ask the government to make a decision on this in collaboration with the corps?
Because that's what you are trying to do here.

>nooo publishing server files would be a herculean task
>look inside server
>a bunch of text which changes by a kilobyte per second

>>714161585
I hope he still makes a video on it. His community tab has a lot less outreach.

>>714164087
No, not on accident.
I am claiming that you are one of those retards.
>I think Pirate's behavior is sufficiently explained by his business incentives.
Just proved my point. What business incentives? His shitty game on Steam? Nope. It's just some smug loser with inferiority issues who tries to be relevant and the smartest dude in the room.

>>714164107
>With how litigious they are, they certainly would,
Not really. People like to say Nintendo are overly litigious but the reality is that they only really go after people making money from their property.
And that includes hosting a file on a site with ads.

>>714149862
Tendies, steamies and the list goes on.

>>714164287
but you can still play old valve games multiplayer? even pirated 1.6 still works

>>714164072
Just leave the option for dedicated servers and forget about matchmaking. Whats the fucking problem?

>>714149372 (OP)
Because this outcry should've happened more than decade ago. Now it carries no weight anymore, when it's coming from clout chasing youtuber garbage humans. Gamers themselves never cared for this shit, and it's evident from the fact they enable microtransactions and FIFA games to exist. Gamers are worse than tone deaf music listeners who only listen to pop music, the normies are literal fucking cattle that killed one of the best hobbies there is. This is why jews call you goyim

>>714163169
yeah, you own the game, not the IP. you can still use the IP as part of the game. really complex stuff this shit.

>>714164265
They've constantly gone after harmless fan projects that weren't making a dime.

>>714164517
if you want to talk about video games then talk about video games

>>714164107
If Nintendo was as litigious as everybody claimed, Pokemon Showdown would have been deleted over 10 years ago.
They generally only go for retards making money off their ips and bragging about it on twitter, or other major companies.
Yeah I'm sure you can find exceptions.

>>714159368
>2. Release a PDF file describing in detail all the communication protocols of the game
nobody would do that, even more if they are using some "patented" or specific protocol that are shared by other on-going services.

The logic should be simple: in the future, if they do want to make a game that need a server to run, they need to prepare the licensing and tools for it to be released to the public at the end life of that service. If some licensing prevent that, then, they should just use other tools/library instead.

>>714164517
Reminder you have to tell this to Bobby Kotick and 92 year old EU beurocrats.

>>714164416
I'm talking about games specifically designed with matchmaking. like the ones with online hubs or no server selection. think something like warframe or genshin impact (both of which actually do peer-to-peer), though I guess for those you can just disable online functionality entirely.

>>714164463
>monetize literally every aspect of human interaction
>people can't do anything online anymore without being accused of clout chasing

>>714164287
>steamies
Literally the only group of fanboy bootlickers who would have zero problem with this. PC is a whole other beast.

>>714164593
So which one is Palworld? The patented Nintendo technology called summoning pets? Or the riding pets?

>>714164654
Gamergate failed because of online ecelebs like sargon and the like. It was thriving when it was being maintained/pushed on forums and chans, because it has more grassroots movement feel to it, and less of a grifter thing when eceleb touch it.

>>714153434
bait, shill or retarded.

>>714164836
how did gamergate fail tho? it woke up billions to woke poz propaganda and forced trillions of mentally enslaved goy cattle to reconsider who they serve

>>714161568
It's shills, don't you guys already realized it? It's been years that it's like this (covid really bumped this shit to the moon), every games release with have the same pattern over and over and over again.
Why do you think they took out the IP counter? Who do you think is buying all those 4chan pass?
Have a guess.

>>714164963
>>714162214

>>714164963
You sound extremely chinese

>>714164943
Gamergate failed because the journos could paint games as chuds/incels , thanks to ecelebs doing such a piss job at maintaining/steering the movement. A leftoid journo can say gamergaters are incels that "wouldn't even rape them" (the journo), and they'd be correct. These ecelebs gave them all the ammo, sargon in particular

>>714164593
>Yeah I'm sure you can find exceptions.
lul

>>714164943
It didn't, jewnalism never recovered. Watch the cope above.

>>714165108
hello saar!

>>714164963
Well yeah, everyone with common sense knew that most pro SKG posters are pajeets. Why do you think they never address arguments that are given to them?

>>714164582
>And that includes hosting a file on a site with ads.
Every single one that was taken down has been making money through, ads, patreon, YouTube or so on. That's the only connection between each takedown.

>>714164585
I just did and you parroted your last reply like a retard. any more questions?

>>714165329
>Why do you think they never address arguments that are given to them?

>>714164646
reminder that "92 year old EU bureaucrats" pushed apples shit in by mandating USB-C and user replaceable batteries and they were completely in the right.
you have no clue how laws are drafted if you don't know that industry representatives will shape them to a large degree.
so you don't have to worry a out the multi-billion dollar corps. they will take care of themselves.

>>714165254
Indians speak indo-european languages, they should have some clue about how english grammar works

>>714165421
>Every single one that was taken down has been making money through, ads, patreon, YouTube or so on
extremedoubt.jpg

>>714164943
It failed because your political opponents have infinite money, in a society of money wirship, and so they can buy the court system and the government and effectively anyone who still wishes to participate in society in ant capacity, and this will all continue this way, forever, until everyone abandons the worship of money, which will result in an extremely violent war, likely culminating in the richfags nuking everything and salting the earth out of spite, setting us all collectively back to pre-stone age.

>>714165702
>pushed apples shit in by mandating USB-C and user replaceable batteries and they were completely in the right.
And now they can sell generic USB-C cables at a premium as apple's super fancy special one.

>>714165242
it did fail, words such as incel and chuds didn't exist until gamergate. All of the youtubers making vids of how woke some game is are just grifters or control op

>>714166050
There is nothing wrong with applefags getting raped by choice.

>>714158794
>the product is licenced not sold
In any other industry this would be false advertising, as you need to clearly define what the consumer is buying, and no, hiding the clarification is small print does not count as clearly defined.

>>714158947
>It's more accurate to say that they won't service your vehicle and don't have parts to do so
no it isn't, retard. games that are killed won't even start anymore
furthermore, you can take cars to intependent mechanics, while corpos forbid connecting to private servers

I kneel preservationCHADs...

reminder that piracy is a right, don't give these corpos any money. they don't want just your money they want your worship of them, they want you to elevate them to gods

>>714166204
>we crashed the industry on purpose as a joke
Uh-huh.

>>714161369
I bet at lesat 70% of signatures are fake. You lost SKGtrannies

>>714162367
copyright doesn't let you dictate how others interact and engage with a work
you are an ignorant lawlet

>>714166445
The industry didn't crash, live service games are still the go-to, and every game has microtransactions. People are still buying FIFA

>>714166776
Sure, just two weeks until GTA 6 stops the layoffs and moves hardware, trust the plan.

>>714166658
>copyright doesn't let you dictate how others interact and engage with a work
Yeah it does?

>>714166841
read up on what copyright is
you might learn something you stupid dumb faggot

No community servers means they can fill the servers with cheaters and bots and control the gaming narrative, as pathetic as that is. Lack of freedom in a fucking video game basically because these cowards have been kicked out of 200 countries and now they played the long game to control everything

>>714166828
who cares if some pajeet changes from company A to company B? the fact remains that no real white male has been working on this industry for more than a decade now, only soÿmen

>>714166996
>I d-didn't want my games to sell anyway

>>714166050
and you can buy type c for spare change somewhere else. it's a choice applefags make by buying that crap.

>>714167103
Gaming died 2007 or something, it's been nothing but x360 and ps4 games ever since, games are no longer aimed for PC like they were back in the day, and the depth of game mechanics and graphics show this. Compare morrowind -> oblivion -> skyrim , it shows clear regression

>>714167178
>and you can buy type c for spare change somewhere else.
stop stealing crapple's profits rrrrrrreeeeeeeeeee

>>714163361
The EU isn't the german green party

>>714166912
What makes you think it doesn't?