Is it a Soulslike?

>>714153384 (OP)
Yeah sure why not

>>714153384 (OP)
is it a souls like?

>>714153384 (OP)
I don't know, maybe

>>714153384 (OP)
Does it matter, it's a banger. I can't wait for next year

>>714153384 (OP)
No but it does have some elements of that genre

I wanna get into it but I hear it's the hardest game of this type
Should I play Wo Long and Rise of Ronin first?

>>714153384 (OP)
Not really. Some elements but it tries hard do it's own thing and works imo. My favourite arpg.

>>714153739
It's not as hard as you think. Both wo long and ronin are fun (especially ronin, the combat feels very addictive) but I think nioh can definitely provide an experience where you're coming back to it for hundreds of hours when the combat clicks.

>>714153739
Nah it's not that hard. Most of the difficulty will be reduced as you level and gear up. Only some of the DLC bosses are quite tough on first run as you'll face them below the power curve, but even they turn into jokes as you get OP Shit. Nioh is not a very balanced game (and that's a good thing!)

Haven't played Rise of the Ronin but Wo Long was absolute garbage. Maybe you'll like it if you're really into 3K slop.

I need them to make a game just like it but set in medieval/fantasy europe
I'm tired of katanas
>SoP
Cool game but felt too much like a spin off, the combat just didnt click right enough for it to be like nioh
I consider Wo Long and SoP to be very similar in that regard

>>714153957
Just replay the Nioh 1 prologue 400 times

>>714153957
The combination of job affinities and chain cancelling was so addictive in sop I loved it. Just a shame how hard the game pushes for 1 shot builds by end of rifts, felt left behind

Give to me straight: Can I make it through the entire game (including DLC) without farming easy enemies for some gear specific to my build?

>>714154151
Yes. Builds aren't really a thing till ng++. You can make a 'build" but bonuses from equipment will be marginal at best that early on. Just equip big number and get better at the game.

>>714153384 (OP)
>stamina
>bonfires and respawning enemies
>souls dropped upon death
>even online components
>>714154151
Assuming you mean just NG playthrough. Yeas, easily. You also won't get shit from the weak enemies either. Easiest way to gear up is by defeating player phantoms who drop their equipped hear. On launch (and likely to this date) you would see whole slices of the community wearing the exact same equipment, because they picked it up from some early adopter, who farmed/forged a set with good stats. And it spreads like wildfire, since anyone who died after equipping those, would also drop them.

>>714154151
Yes. Gear farming is utterly pointless before new game +2 (or +3, cant remember) as the best stats won't appear until then. Just follow the green arrow.

>>714154151
Yes?
You dont ever farm for gear until you beat the game once anyway, the only exception would be the gunsticks once you enter the dlc or so because of a unique property they have if you want to use tonfa

>>714154290
>>714154276
>>714154268
Awesome, thanks

>>714154151
>>714154268
In addition to this, optimising equipment and equipment effects isn't particularly necessary until maybe dream of the nioh (ng+++++). You can run through missions even 100 levels under and if you're good at combat you can scrape by without the game feeling unfair

>>714154327
>Yes?
Why the question mark? In most ARPGs you have to farm specific gear for the entire endgame

>>714154367
>the entire endgame
As many has noted above, in Nioh endgame doesn't start until after a few NG+ cycles. On your first time playthrough you just pick up random stuff with higher ATK/DEF number that drops and continue on your merry way without even thinking about the whole itemization system. Spreading stats is even beneficial, because it gives you more options.

>>714154276
>On launch (and likely to this date) you would see whole slices of the community wearing the exact same equipment, because they picked it up from some early adopter, who farmed/forged a set with good stats. And it spreads like wildfire, since anyone who died after equipping those, would also drop them.
Lmao that's hilarious

>>714154367
In nioh the builds aren't game changing till way way down the line as everyone has said. I don't recall putting together an autistic build until I was about to start underworld (100 level dungeon at the end of the final ng cycle). A big draw of nioh for people is freedom to play how you want. You can go all in with the builds and you can just equip the highest level stuff without worrying about effects and just concentrate on getting good with your weapon

>>714154367
>In most ARPGs you have to farm specific gear for the entire endgame
???

>>714154627
Maybe he's referring to strict diablo likes. In nioh 2 the only thing I ever recall 'grinding' for was when I wanted a yata mirror. Pretty much everything you want drops as you play normally

>>714154627
>he doesn't know everyone in Diablo just logs in for 1 hour a day to sleepwalk through some dungeon for a 0.3% chance at getting that one item they need

>>714154697
>>714154709
Sounds awful, but then again I never cared for diablo, hell I couldnt even stomach the first 2 hours of grim dawn

>>714154856
It's a very boring genre. Grinding games are only good when the gameplay is actually fun and engaging

>ugh those stupid Diablo players just play the same content over and over again, anyway time to do the same mission for the 50th time (this time in NG+7)

>>714154151
You don't have to farm at all until the post-post-post-postgame autist only grindan dungeon. You can always win by just squishing randomly dropped gear into something resembling a set.

>>714155398
The difference is nioh has fun combat. Map clearing with right click for the 70th hour in a row isn't really the same. Be it diablo or one of the newer shittier games like poe

>>714153739
They aren't that hard. The biggest hurdle people face with Team Ninja's newer games is trying to play it like a Souls game, but if you try to play more aggressively the games are much easier. Don't wait for an opening to get your hit in, just dive in and dance around the enemy. Kinda similar to Sekiro in that regard, but personally I found Sekiro harder.

>>714155956
Sekiro has the whole Hesitation is Defeat thing, but it still very clearly telegraphs when it stops being your turn
That's why it goes clang clang clang CLANG

>>714153384 (OP)
It's called MASOCORE, BITCH! GET IT IN YOUR FUARKING HEAD
M
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CORE
MASOCHIST CORE
CAPICHE!?

>>714155956
Sekiro was great. More recently I'm hooked on Ronin. The combat isn't particularly deep but what is there has my heart racing, especially the dojo fights. I really hope some of these styles make their way into nioh 3

>>714156019
Maybe it's just because Sekiro's defensive options felt offensive to me. The deflection clangs gave me the same feeling as hitting an enemy with a Great Club in Dark Souls, which I didn't get from perfectly dodging through a boss's attack.

>>714155956
>Don't wait for an opening to get your hit in
The irony of people posting this as a way that TN games are different when that is exactly the advice you give someone who wants to do well in Souls games is always funny.

how come no one talks about nioh 1? is the second one that much of an upgrade it doesnt need mentioning anymore? I only played through nioh 1

>>714156170
I mostly mention it because it's harder to achieve that mastery of when you can attack the enemy while he's doing shit in Nioh
To put it another way, there's loads of parry games that try to emulate Sekiro but fail at the aggression = disabling half the enemy's moveset thing
Take for example Nine Sols, a great game all about parries and it's very fun, but when you attack the boss he just does whatever animation he was gonna do anyway

>>714156208
Nioh 2 is just the same but better
Improved in every way, playing 1 after 2 feels very jank because of all the tools you're missing

>>714156208
2 is basically the same game but expanded so I get the sense a lot of people who only played Nioh 2 in the last couple of years didn't bother

1's still a great game, love a lot of those boss fights to this day. Also, if you want to feel old, the original alpha demo turns ten next year

>>714153739
The reason people find it hard is because it's a mechanics focused game first, and a hardcore action game second.
Your build and your equipment is the main difference between the game being Freddi Fish or Megaman. Using your BRAIN to THINK makes it extremely manageable even if you're not an action god. If you're a lizard brained high speed retard though, then yes, it's going to be considerably more difficult than your typical souls slop.

>>714156208
nioh 1 is a good game but by god does it devolve into cheesing and oneshotting by the end. the massive amount of dual boss fights with low health bosses in the endgame means you either run in a circle and get one hit in (stupid and gay) or stunlock one to death instantly before you can get put in a bad situation.
2's endgame boss gauntlets are both much better balanced and more fun to engage with and individual bosses also have more health so you do have to play around them, but they can still be bursted down extremely quickly if you have good skill/knowledge of game mechanics/good build.
the low enemy variety also hurts the first game especially when 2 has such a good roster of new enemies to add on top of the old ones

Can I beat this game only blocking and perfect blocking and never touching the dodge button?

>>714157956
Physical guard is always 100%, and you can boost your elemental guard properties through equipment bonuses and such. Especially if you spec into heavy armor. But there are unblockable grab attacks, so unless it's possible to facetank those and stay alive, you'd still have to dodge sometimes.

>>714153384 (OP)
No it's actually good.

>>714157956
Perfect block doesn't really do much. I think it might throw human enemies off balance but that's about it. If you manage your ki well it might work but it would be difficult. More so if you don't burst counter since those are unblockable. Same with grabs. Some enemies like hayabusa have ridiculously aggressive strings and will just break your guard regardless. So maybe you can on paper but it wouldn't be fun

>>714157956
short answer no
long answer there are extremely strong parry mechanics in the game (especially opportunist on fists which is strong, flexible, and extremely satisfying), but you absolutely need dodges to move out of AOEs, large moves, spells, elemental damage, grabs, etc. the game is very much built around the mobility of low stance dodges and expects you to use all aspects of your toolkit effectively

>>714158034
Yeah anon would get splatted as soon as he starts blocking elemental attacks

>>714153739
>hardest game of this type
nah thats khazan.

What's objectively the best weapon type?

>>714158197
On paper the tonfa, probably.

>>714158197
Spear

>>714153384 (OP)
No
It's a rengoku-like

>>714158197
Tonfa or fist
Tonfa lets you get away with fucking anything
Fist makes you feel infinite

>>714153384 (OP)
it's masocore

>>714157956
It might be worth pointing out that in addition to what the other guys have said, while you will want to dodge occasionally you won't need to do any Dark Souls style iframe dodging. Dodging is for repositioning or quickly getting out of the way. Blocking is still very strong though.

>>714153384 (OP)
No, and that's a good thing

>>714153739
>I wanna get into it but I hear it's the hardest game of this type
Not really. Nothing in Nioh is as difficult as say Consort Radahn or Malenia in Elden Ring. You just have to get familiar with the game's own nuances.

For example you're supposed to mix block and dodges to manage your Ki well (block single big attacks, dodge roll long combos). Pic related and the infamous big snek boss teach you to block instead of dodge roll. Spells and Ninjutsu work with Elder Scrolls logic where they level up and get better only by you using them. So actually use them, throw firebombs, use talismans that give you extra Defensive layers or health regen and so on and so forth.
Finally the whole weapon stance thing is not as complicated as it looks. You use High Stance 90% of the game while exploring, Mid Stance when you want to Parry human opponents or easily catch yokai or ninja that dodge to your sides and Low Stance for applying debuff effects, playing it safe with Yokai bosses or killing big monsters who have high HP pools but never block your attacks.

Why the games are fun and why I come back to them every now and then is because thanks to the mission-based system its like a little taste of Souls-exploring and bossfighting whenever you're in the mood but don't feel like starting yet another long game run.

>>714159550
I don't know if they nerfed it later but that sub-mission in the third DLC against the Kitsune and Hideyori at the same time was extremely difficult if you did it properly and didn't just cheese it

>>714159550
>You use High Stance 90% of the game while exploring, Mid Stance when you want to Parry human opponents or easily catch yokai or ninja that dodge to your sides and Low Stance for applying debuff effects, playing it safe with Yokai bosses or killing big monsters who have high HP pools but never block your attacks.
I found myself using pretty much every stance equally without really thinking about it. You kind of flow through stances and combos and react to each enemy.

>>714156208
Nioh 2 is the same game but with more content in it. Nioh 3 seems to be the same, same game but more mechanics, monsters and bigger semi-open world levels. Play the first game story to its end so you see all the semen demon bosses the game has to offer, but for the gameplay itself its better to stick with Nioh 2.

>>714153384 (OP)
no its better

>>714160351
Careful, you'll summon that one elden ring schizo who spams webms

>>714160330
Nioh 1 has generally better looking levels, too. Nioh 2 is a bunch of bloom and blurslop.

>>714160592
and caves

>>714160592
caveslop

>>714160763
Funny thing, in the levels in 2 that take place in the DLC areas of 1 where it was snowy, if you angle your camera right it'll bug out and display a broken version of the visuals of the original levels.

>>714153739
If you want to count Nioh as a soulslike, then it doesn't become 'the hardest' until the very endgame. Deep into the Depths (which is an endgame thing)

>>714159628
>hard if you don't cheese
That goes for most content in most of these games, doesn't it? Malenia, Radahn, Depths, all fall to cheese.

But not Khazan. Khazan is genuinely a git gud game. The hardest Soulslike.

>>714159628
>difficult if you did it properly and didn't just cheese it
Cheesing IS the proper way to do things in Nioh. It wouldn't have RPG components, if you were meant to play it by simply pressing attack/dodge at the right times. Those twin bosses are basically gear checks, and you're supposed to do them when you can overpowered both bosses. They're not double boss encounters designed like that from the start. The devs just threw two bosses that share some lore connections into the same arena.

>>714160592
I like how colourful the levels in 2 are. Too many levels are night time in 1

>>714161780
>Too many levels are night time in 1
Yeah but that comes with the territory of the game being about hunting Yokai. Wirriam is essentially a Ghostbuster.

>>714154276
I think only the invader is souls invention. Everything else also works differently.

>>714161875
I hope 3 has way more unique and cool looking yokai. Goofy even. Just lean into the bizarre aesthetic. I want to be compelled to open photo mode every time a yokai is on screen

>>714161985
Being able to conjure up a player revenant to beat on him and get his equipment is one of the most fun online components from these games

I don't like Nioh because I'm a scrub and couldn't beat the first enemies, I'd rather play Rise of the Ronin or Wo Long

>>714162096
It's okay. Those are better games.

Kinda. Yes, but not strictly, and that's why it's better.

>>714162096
>Gozuki'd
You're missing out on fun

>>714162096
The game is beatable even if you play it like Dark Souls and just hit and run. Although that would be very inefficient, it's still doable.

>>714153739
It's not the hardest at all. Wo Long is only artificially difficult.

>>714162003
Nioh 3 Demo has giant monks that shrink when you beat them, smaller oni that have their heads grow when they attack and old hags that turn into flying vases.
Oh yeah also one giant Gaki who is straight up reference to Thailand version of hungry ghosts that are giants for some reason. Which is weird because indian, chinese, indonesian and japanese hungry ghosts (Gaki) are all human sized or smaller, only Thailand has hungry ghosts that are so tall you can mistake them for trees in the middle of the night.

>>714162304
>Nioh 3 Demo has giant monks that shrink when you beat them, smaller oni that have their heads grow when they attack and old hags that turn into flying vases.
Yeah I loved seeing all those. I just want more. Would love to see a return of all previous yokai with expanded move sets too

>>714162302
Wo Long isn't difficult at all.
It does unironically give you an option to artificially increase difficulty though.

>>714162304
I'm honestly fine with them copping from stuff from other Asian mythology since it's established supernatural stuff happens all over the world in the Nioh universe.

Also is Wo Long in the same universe? I always assumed it was and that Qi is just what the Chinese call Amrita but I don't think it explicitly says. I know Ninja Gaiden and Dead or Alive are meant to be, so it's not much of a stretch.

>>714162096
It's not that hard
I literally just mid stanced 1kat and 2kat and finished both gaems

>>714162421
>Would love to see a return of all previous yokai with expanded move sets too
The Nioh skeletons were in some of the cutscenes, Mezuki was in the demo as optional boss with new better looking textures and some new moves like new leg stomp combos.

>>714153739
Nah, Nioh 2 is easy. You want a hard, pull-all-your-hair-out type of game? Nioh 1

>>714162873
I played Nioh 1 up to after Umibozou, I couldn't finish Nioh 2's starting level

>>714163025
That's because you don't know the meta. Nioh 2's is so hard to abuse it gets insultingly easy.

>>714163269
There is no meta when you're just starting out. And Nioh 1 is even easier when you know about sloth, confusion and LW.

>>714163392
Some of 2's builds make those look like a joke

>>714163443
There is nothing in 2 that comes close to critical LW builds of 1

>>714162728
Neat. I didn't get to play the demo but hearing shit like this does get me hyped

>>714163624
Nah you're just trash

>>714164028
lol
concession accepted

>>714163650
Yeah but you no longer play as half-demon dude. Your super-form now looks like something Raiko had with the same glowing green white color scheme, you also now summon Yokai moves with Raiko's tiny box thing. And instead of them being in a Yokai bar, you use Talismans for them instead, they're effectively spells now.

>>714153384 (OP)
its a Niohlike
notice the "2" in the title, that indicates it is a sequel

>>714153739
Nioh assraped me at first, but once you get used to the mechanics it's fine.

>>714154151
>Can I make it through the entire game (including DLC) without farming easy enemies for some gear specific to my build?

yeah, but more specifically you can just kill revenant ghosts for their gear until you have some decent stuff for the area, and this process only takes a couple minutes

>>714162728
love this neighga's theme like you wouldn't believe

>>714164182
It's definitely an interesting change with guardian spirit abilities now occupying the role of combo extending/filling skills that yokai skills were used for in 2, and yokai skills now occupying more of a crowd control summon type niche (which can also hint that we'll get more crowd fights instead of 1v1) and I'm interested in seeing what they can do with the concept. I just hope we get more guardian spirit skills. So far it seems limited if you only get 3 per guardian spirit since you can't swap out the 3 skills as much as you could in 2 while still maintaining that one guardian spirit. Do guardian spirit talismans make a return? They seem almost pointless with these changes

>>714153384 (OP)
>cool map?
no
>secrets?
no
>handcrafted loot?
no
>weapon upgrades?
no
>meme encounters?
no
>lore?
no
>multiplayer?
no
>npc questlines?
no

I'm thinking it's not.

>>714153384 (OP)
It has one or two mechanics that overlap with souls but it's not a soulslike

>>714156170
>which I didn't get from perfectly dodging through a boss's attack.
i made it satisfying by playing ds2 without adp
its actually so cool having to actually dodge through hitboxes, and enemies track a lot less. now combine that with the big bonk or multihit in question, and its just more satisfying. I was using the dragon roar combined with the insane nuke greatswords by the end of the game, either that or abusing a 4x hit spinning attack on powerstanced swords
i wish more games followed this formula of having to avoid hitboxes, i played this now and i dont understand the hate for this games' fights

I was really excited about Nioh 3 until I saw some footage from the demo, and the word "enemy camp" showed up.

>>714164856
>find hidden chest in elden ring
>mushrooms
Thank miyazaki

>>714165119
Elden Ring is least Souslike in the series.

>>714165079
Enemy camps are in previous games, too. They even respawn whenever you touch the shrine.

>>714165152
Sometimes I wonder how good it would be if it was just dark souls 4 and not some open world mess

>>714165119
>Go through dozens of dangerous narrow ledges and multiple dangerous jumps to reach a corpse.
>Artieri Leaf.
Sometimes developers just want to fuck with you.

>>714164856
This is just a JRPG checklist but Nioh does have this though. Except maybe meme encounters because I don't know what that is.

>>714153384 (OP)
what is a soulslike ? Every definition I see is even more schizophrenic than roguelike

>>714165407
Just a dark souls-clone basically.

>>714165372
>meme encounters
Anything involving a karasu tengu

>>714165631
Or red kappa

>>714165238
>Enemy camps are in previous games, too.
no they aren't

What items can I temper that let me do more damage to scorched enemies ?

>>714165407
>what is a soulslike ?
there is a pretty clear formula for those games, but these days you have many calling any game where you can swing a sword or dodge a soulslike so it's started to mean nothing

>>714153384 (OP)
I played it because I heard it was a good souls clone but it literally played nothing like a fucking souls game besides your souls dropping on the floor when you die. I was fucking lied to. The roll has like a 0.01 second iframe meaning you can't roll through anything and you have to block almost everything AND you also get punished like crazy when you run out of stamina unlike souls.

>>714153384 (OP)
No, it's a diablolike.

It might feel like a soulslike early on (but so would diablo 2) but this is a diablolike because before you hit halfway the game becomes so stupid easy with how retarded powerful you get