Thread 714167301

>Aerie romancable
>Viconia romancable
>Jaheira romancable
>Nalia and Mazzy not romancable
I get Imoen, but why not Nalia and Mazzy?

>>714167301 (OP)
Because BG2 knows that elves are built for human men

Mazzy's a halfling and Nalia is a noble

>>714167301 (OP)
I'd rather Pic imoen than anyone but vicona is my wife

I don't romance, but that aside Nalia is really cool and underrated. both from a power level and personality wise. she is a lot more interesting than Imoen or Aerie

>>714167301 (OP)
Nalia is holding out for a Chad, not some nerd who plays RPGs anon.

Romance was a brand new last minute feature to the point only
Jaheria has a good length for her romance. Aerie is genuinely less than half as long and rushed to hell

>>714168982
I hate overblown romance plots in RPGs.
In real life you tolerate listening to a girl yap endlessly on about her fucking problems and emotional state because you get to fuck her.
You don't get to fuck some computer game character, so what possible good reason do you have to give a fuck about her stupid opinions and feelings?

>>714167301 (OP)
>he didn't install community mods
the Nalia romance mod was actually goated

>>714167301 (OP)
Pretty sure Nalia's romance, like Valygar's was cut due to time constraints. There's hints of it here and there still to be found.

>>714172157
>Valygar romance
Did it end with him going out to buy a pack of cigarettes, and never returning?

>>714167301 (OP)
Eh.
https://www.pocketplane.net/dearnise-romance/
https://skitias-stories.com/mods-view.php?name=Nalia%20At%20Last
It's actually one of the better romance mods out there.

>>714172157
Valygar's romance was cut so hastily that you can still find his lovetalks inToB gamefiles. Most Valygar mods barely have to write any new content, they just enable content that's already there.

>>714172157
it was 3 male romances 3 women, but one writer sucked of the two they split the work between and had to do like 85% of the work from his writing and a salvage operation

>>714170637
I have no idea. I romanced jaheria and it was a mess getting it to work. It breaks constantly and pretty much requires fast forward cheats but i did like the writing, it fell apart when i replayed it and tried to romance viccy and it became very obvious that it was going to be the same thing. Hearing a woman bitch constantly about her issue, its bizzare because they only brought up you as a person like twice. Like you really don’t matter in the conversation which is weird because im the soon to be god the story centers on lol. Its 99% if the time just them bitching with you having to select the clearly correct option over and over
Having the single scene they cat fight when you’re talking to multiple of them is great though.

>>714167301 (OP)
>Laid Back Elven Milf/Gilf with a good Sense or Humor Not romanceablenin BG3
Will never fiegice Latian for this

>>714167301 (OP)
mazzy is too perfect
>>714168090
the de'arnise keep is the best part of the game but she's kinda shit after it

>>714173397
Yes, yes, its an accurate simulation of having to juggle a woman's fucking crises.
I refer to my first point.

>>714173460
As much as I desperately wanted to romance Jaheira in 3, I do understand why they didn't do it. She's had two husbands by this point, she wouldn't want a third.

>>714167301 (OP)
Are they elves?

No? There's your answer.

>>714174109
No Elfussy would ever deny a young healthy world saving young buck human Male. Its the equivalent of an gigachad irl
This IS simply Immersion breaking.

>>714174109
>two
One
WotC's charname didn't romance anyone

>>714174589
He romanced Nalia.
It's canon.

>>714167301 (OP)
Unlike the delusional fantasies porn addicts have in their heads not every female wants to have sex with you.

What's up with the constant bg2 threads?
>>714174589
bhaalspawnette romanced me (the player)

>>714167301 (OP)
Nalia is underage
Mazzy is a turbo lesbians

>>714167301 (OP)
Cut/unfinished content. Early in development Mazzy was a romantic interest for dwarves and halflings. Also female CHARNAMES were supposed to have three romance options, Anomen, Valygar and Haer'dalis. Only the first one got implemented.

>>714175217
so that's why dwarves have no romantic content.

>>714174109
>No woman has ever had/outlived more than 2 husbands
U wot?

I romanced Imoen

>>714176750
Try four, all of them killed by her, and three of them because they bored her

>>714174967
>What's up with the constant bg2 threads?
Whats' wrong with them?
Also, I must be living in a different reality, because I never see any.

>>714167301 (OP)
Some dev probably called dibs on her.

>>714167301 (OP)
the banter is funny

>>714167301 (OP)
>I get Imoen
I don't get it

>>714167840
I want to bounce Mazzy on my massive half-orc cock

>>714182064
wasn't Khalid closeted?

>>714184872
No he's only half-elf

>>714182373
That means you're a queer fellow.

>>714167301 (OP)
>Nalia isn't because she's just a giant bag of cut content. The initial idea was that there was supposed to be three potential traitors among party members, and at the start of each new game one would be chosen as "it." One of them was Nalia, in which case she would turn out to be Imoen's failed clone, with her entire backstory being bogus.
>Mazzy because she's supposed to represent the ideal of a paladin, with the irony being that due to her race she can't be one.

>>714182064
Fun fact - Viconia had three husbands.

>>714174109
>>714176750
If you play as Dark Urge and lead one of the conversations in the right direction, it's heavily hinted she was still in a relationship with CHARNAME.

>>714167301 (OP)
I think that the game suffered from having to keep Imoen alive. Some characters like Nalia and Yoshimo suffered for it. Imoen herself too, no dialogues whatsoever until TOB.

>>714167301 (OP)
Nalia was planned to be romanceable but they dropped it
Mazzy should totally have been a romance option for the short races

>>714177037
I can fix her

>>714185227
>she would turn out to be Imoen's failed clone, with her entire backstory being bogus.
Holy kino, we were robbed

>>714188173
People keep bitching about cut content from BG3, even though the vast majority is barely noticeable.

Meanwhile, in case of BG2, here's a list:
>Cyric's involvement reduced to a short cameo in ToB. He was supposed to be the one silently aiding the Bhaalspawn in Bg2 ("He has shown me how to make it vulnerable" from Imoen was in relation to him).
>Aerie's romance (considered unfinished).
>Viconia's romance (considered unfinished).
>Haer'Dalis and Valygar romances (cut completely).
>Aerie's and Minsc's personal quests.
>The larger Amaunator storyline (right now we have two completely unrelated, large quests that heavily feature him).
>The Illithid plotline (bits and pieces remaining).
>The three traitors (there were supposed to be three potential ones, and at New Game one would be chosen as "it"; instead only Yoshimo remained).
>Suldanessellar was supposed to be a full city, rather than a glorified battle arena.
>The same with the Sahuagin City; it even had an actual name.
>Imoen was supposed to die either after the Prologue or at Spellhold.
>Bodhi and Irenicus weren't at all related; this one was stitched on when the decision was made to spare Imoen, since now someone had to take her soul, as well.
>Bodhi was romanceable. That's why the godawful novelisation features it, since it was based on an earlier draft of the game's script.

>>714167987
Shit hit the wall by BG3. Her romance ending was the perfected "I can fix her" a shame Larian didnt pick that for cannon.

>>714190030
>Her romance ending was the perfected "I can fix her"

You mean the one where she dies? And it wasn't Larian, it was established she's alive in other canon material.

>>714190197
Its best to forget the books exist for the most part. Although the one with Drizzt is alright.

>You mean the one where she dies?
Yes, after shes been reformed and settles down. She gets got by the spider queen for betraying her, checks out. She does her job and gives you an heir. He now has a great backstory to be a PC or companion. BG3 missed this and I don't trust BG4 not to be ass.

>>714185309
pics or it didn't happen. I talk with this bitch in every playthrough and she acts like she only had eyes for her "first" husband.

>>714191640
Wait, her best ending is the one in which she dies? Thanks, now I know who not to romance when I play this for the first time.

>>714193287
>He's going to miss OG I can fix her girl that every RPG rips-offs just because of a shitty ending
Just mod it out

>>714185227
I've never heard of this cut storyline, where is this from?

>>714190030
You can't convince me that this wasn't originally intended to be a separate character that got the name slapped on at the last minute.
Wizards had already ruined Sarevok out of spite, but the character here looks and acts nothing like any of the depictions of Viconia.

>>714194473
You should have known she was going to be in the instant they revealed Shadowheart worshipped Shar

>>714194473
It's character assassination. Plain and simple.

>>714193110
Well no shit she loved Khalid. Doesn't mean she doesn't also love Charname.

>>714193287
She dies, but you decide to declare a one man war on Lolth because of it, and she apparently has real cause to be afraid for once.

>>714185309
>it's heavily hinted she was still in a relationship with CHARNAME.
In this timeline he was Abdel Adrian and is dead. Because they're retards.
https://forgottenrealms.fandom.com/wiki/Abdel_Adrian

>>714185309
>it's heavily hinted she was still in a relationship with CHARNAME.
Wouldn't that make CHARNAME canonically an elf or half-elf? No other way for them to have survived the time skip

>>714196082
Before anyone says anything about the books, no, the canon charname completely ignores them outside of the name and race

>>714196082
>Relationships: none
Fucking cowards. If you're going to fuck with the character at least commit to one of the romances.

>>714196512
Giving charname that shitty canon
>oh and then he died and bhaal came back lol
is already bad enough, they have no reason to alienate waifufags by making one girl lose, better to make them all lose

>>714193624
You're a retard

>>714188969
>Viconia's romance (considered unfinished).
Viconia was also supposed to have a metric fuckton content in the Underdark, including a personal quest. That all got axed eventually, even if she still has the most to say during the Ust Natha arc. Also, Solaufein was supposed to be a companion and the followers of Eilistraee were supposed to show up and aid you at one point.

>>714196174
All Bhaalspawn are biologically immortal. Greenwood clarified this applies to all of them stil alive, since it's impossible to fully remove Bhaal's taint.

>>714196082
>>714196512
>>714196660
You can find a journal of "Abdel's" friend in BG3 in which he states that, despite knowing him for years, he never knew he was also Gorion's Ward, and that he knew absolutely nothing about his personal life.

Larian did the best they could with a bad deal, establishing that "Abdel Adrian" was essentially his public persona as the Grand Duke, while CHARNAME was the real person.

>>714196812
Which Viconia rip-off do you like?

>>714196863
>since it's impossible to fully remove Bhaal's taint.
Even though that was the whole point of ToB. I have a feeling Greenwood only said so because WotC pulled a gun to his head and told him to come up with a reason as to why Bhaal is still alive.

>>714197087
Not canon chuddie, Charname died fighting the joke character Viekang to resurrect Bhaal

>>714197087
I doubt that, since Greenwood was the one who later on wrote "A Murder in Baldur's Gate," which is universally despised.

Besides, the "biological immortality" isn't a new invention. That was established in the PnP background.

>>714196863
>since it's impossible to fully remove Bhaal's taint.
Do I even need to ask about the Durge ending, or was that Larian just saying "fuck it" to Bhaalspawn rules?

>>714197397
The Dark Urge good ending makes it clear that Jergal invests a portion of his own power to replace Bhaal's taint. You essentially turn into a Jergalspawn (?)

>>714197332
>since Greenwood was the one who later on wrote "A Murder in Baldur's Gate," which is universally despised.
But the thing is that Greenwood has been WotC's dancing monkey since at least 2008. This whole spiel about him having any creative control whatsoever is a myth at this point.

>>714167301 (OP)
Aerie my beloved

>>714197397
No, Larian actually plays according to the Bhaalspawn rules established by BG2. It's WotC that pulled a retcon out of their asses to justify Bhaal being alive.
Also, don't let me started how much they fucked over Bane, because they wanted that "Dead Three" story arc again.

>>714196834
Damn, why is larian incapable of writing well thought out bad characters?

>>714198357
He's talking about BG2, you retard. That's BioWare.

>>714197667
What are you talking about you worm brained retard? Bhaalspawn shouldn't even exist in BG3 because Bhaal was resurrected

>>714198739
On that we agree. Throne of Bhaal ended that story arc pretty fucking definatively, so no followup was necessary, unless we are doing Cyric instead.
But WotC had their demands and now here we are.

>>714198968
Yeah it's their fault larian are hacks and always have been

>>714199173
Dude, you really don't have to white knight WotC. They don't deserve it.

>>714188969
Ehh, the game we got is huge enough and was released in quite a buggy state.

>>714199558
Seems more like you're damage controlling for a shitty company. nobody expected larian to actually be able to pull it off. The fact that normalfags loved it is great, it just earmarks we will never get a good RPG ever again

Nalia needs more fanart.

>>714167670
>blonde
>big blue doe eyes
>canonically wide hips and thus a large ass
Aerie was made for me.

>>714199173
>>714199717
>Larian isn't great but most of the lore issues come from WotC
>NOOOOOOO EVERYTHING BAD ABOUT BG3 IS LARIANS FAULT THEY KILLED WESTERN RPGS WOTC IS INNOCENT NOOOOOOOO

>>714200043
You can fucking have her, she's annoying. Give me Jaheira any day.

>>714198739
>Bhaalspawn shouldn't even exist in BG3 because Bhaal was resurrected

You're the retard in this case. Children of deities don't magically disappear just because the deity in question is alive. Mystra has over a dozen children running around at this very moment in canon, to give an example.

>>714198968
>Throne of Bhaal ended that story arc pretty fucking definatively

Children of Bhaalspawn are automatically also Bhaalspawn, as was confirmed in ToB. And even Solar says that "most" of them are dead at the end, not all.

>>714200043
Loved the flirting mod where you could slap her ass, and her reactions to it

>>714185227
Honestly, that Nalia twist would've been pure nonsense if they were still going for her "noble debiutante" role. Because unlike Yoshimo who came out of nowhere, you expect me to believe that nobody in Athkatla noticed that De'Arnise family suddenly got a full-grown daughter one day? Or was Irenicus planning this keikaku for 20 or so years?

>>714167301 (OP)
Nalia was really meant to just be a high-class noble who tangentially intersects the story of the Bhaalspawn and who goes back to her normal aristocratic life afterwards. She's out of the Bhaalspawn's league.

>>714167670
is there an ai model that dunmeshifies images?

>>714199717
>the company that have been being spiteful faggots about the IP for two fucking decades, and who call the shots when coming up with new lore, couldn't possibly be behind the lore of it being repeatedly raped even further
I bet you unironically call people tourists or secondaries when they disagree with you, too

>>714200398
No that's done by the author of dungeon meshi, she did all the bg 1 and 2 characters (she is a dork for wrpgs)

>>714200190
I've never become really proficient at it, but modding Baldur's Gate II as a youngin is one of the reasons I still like dabbling in modding and edits. I figured out how to change portrait eye colors, made a few clumsily written flirts of my own for that mod, was fun.

>>714188969
BG3 just feels like a lot of content was cut from ACt 3 when Larian just didn't develop it.

>>714200389
>She's out of the Bhaalspawn's league.
It's funny, because her romance mod actually acknowledges that she's way over her head. She literally has a panic attack after a panic attack and by the time we get to ToB, she's so traumatized by everything, she just wants to return to her keep, shut the door and never leave again. She only stays with you because she loves you.

>>714188969
>Amaunator storyline
It honestly worked way better as just disconnected fragments of a long-dead god. It just adds to this feeling that Baldur's Gate was a big huge pre-existing world where you won't be able to get every answer or know everything about it.

>>714200745
Right she was never an especially powerful party member but socially speaking you don't pair an orphan with a noblewoman.

>>714197332
Greenwood is a terrible, terrible writer. His creation of Forgotten Realms aside, every single piece of fiction he wrote was absolute garbage.

>>714200898
I'd agree if not for the fact that, in canon, Amaunator returned to life a few years after BG2 takes place, so it was obviously meant as a massive foreshadowing of it.

>>714200389
>>714200994
>>714200745
She has the most robust personality change in-between BG2 and ToB where her alignment even changes. She's much more assertive and domineering.

>>714200898
And then 5e brought Amaunator back to life, because BG2 memberberries. Even though it makes no sense, because he was just some REALLY ancient Netherese deity.

>>714200398
https://civitai.com/models/450925/ponyxl-style-dungeon-meshi-race-swap-portrait-chart-style-kui-ryoko-or-or

>>714201226
Scratch that, it was 4e that brought him back. Beacuse WotC had this stupid idea of lumping all gods together, so now Amaunator is also Lathander, because sure. And in 5e he's yet again a seperate deity, even thought nobody cared about Amaunator to begin with.

>>714201132
>Amaunator returned to life a few years after BG2 takes place
Wasn't that post-Spellplague? Like, 100 years later or something?

>>714201126
He himself even admits that. For him, it's Elaine Cunningham and Troy Denning that carry the Forgotten Realms on their backs.
Even though I DID like Greenwood's Spellfire trilogy.

>>714201226
>Letter of the law states that we guard until the end of time. Our time has ended.
>Your task is done. You will all sit by the side of Amaunator in the Keep of the Eternal Sun.
>The old enemies are gone, and duty is well enough fulfilled.
I hope those miserable immortal Amaunator worshipers were put back to work when he was resurrected. Their time wasn't up after all.

>>714201473
It was already present in 3.5e. Being a heretical Amaunator-worshipping Lathanderite was a prestige class in one of the splatbooks. 4e deciding to go with the "Lathander was actually TOO GOOD and committed evil acts" was what sealed the deal for them to bring in a new solar deity.

>>714201662
Yeah, it was a 4e thing, when they lumped Amaunator with Lathander. And Selune with Sehanine Moonbow, because lol, lmao.

>>714200994
>Never an especially powerful party member
She's one of the most powerful Wizards in all of Faerun by the end of ToB, just off her class and levels alone she's more powerful than anyone in your party outside of Edwin, Aerie, and Imoen.

>>714201662
No, Amaunator returned much sooner, in 1372 DR.

>>714201737
>Troy Denning
Absolute fucking hack, everything he writes is the same edgy trash.

>>714167301 (OP)
I’m waiting for these dumbfuck games to get a switch 2 version that supports mouse mode. I hate sitting at my computer FUCK.

>>714201847
>4e deciding to go with the "Lathander was actually TOO GOOD and committed evil acts" was what sealed the deal for them to bring in a new solar deity.
So, he had gotten the Eilistraee treatment. Noted. I do for one applaud Perkins for being honest about WotC hateboner for Eilistraee because she makes their cashcow Drizzt look stupid.

>it is time for more... experiments
Was it rape?

>>714202206
yeah

>>714201989
Speaking of, is the Archwizards Trilogy any fun? I am wondering if I should pick that or some Drizzt books.

>>714200898
>It just adds to this feeling that Baldur's Gate was a big huge pre-existing world
I love how the city criers keep talking about some war with the orcs in the north and all sort of stuff that you never see in the game at all.

>>714201873
Man, I thought there was 100 years between the Time of Troubles and the Spellplague. It wasn't even 30 years.

>>714190030
There is no canon in DnD. It is all made up for the story you and your group are telling.

>>714202206
I don't think he could get it up anymore, based on his experiments with the dryads and clones of his ex wife.

>>714202897
no, the opposite of that. the story and group you are in break the canon that exists because it sucks.

>>714202694
Yeah, this is something BG3 drops the ball on significantly. Because if you only know FR from.BG3, you'd swear Faerun only consists of Baldur's Gate and Elturel and the only deities are Shar, Selune and the Dead Three.
I guess Cormyr gets referenced ONCE.

>>714203029
The Dryads explicitly say that he had sex with both them and Imoen.

>He has touched you as he has us, hasn't he?

And then Imoen freaks out.

>>714202567
No. And Salvatores books are absolutely garbage, he's a complete hack. Cunningham wrote some decent FR books, so did Jeff Grubb, just read their stuff if you absolutely must dip your toes into FR novels.

>>714203191
>He has touched you as he has us
>Somehow this means Irenicus was gaping all their holes and fucking them 24/7
If you weren't so addicted to pornography you could actually reach different conclusions from that dialogue, my dude.

>>714203134
>and the only deities are Shar, Selune and the Dead Three.
And Mystra! Don't forget Mystra!

>>714204332
The dryads are his concubines

>>714167301 (OP)
mazzy is an ugly hagmidge. it is strange that nalia isn't romanceable, but I don't think I'd pick her over tradwife aerie anyway.

>>714207250
she's ugly-cute midge but her personality is adorable enough to make up for anything.

>>714206202
No, they are experiments like everything else in his lab, he was attempting to see if he could still feel anything by spending time with them. He can't, of course, which is what sets the stage for his entire motivation and which is the reason for his plot against Suldanessellar.

>>714185573
they should have made it this big deal among the gnome and dwarf characters that mazzy was infamous for only fucking tallraces and thus only "romance"able by humans, elves, and especially horcs.

>>714207380
that just means he couldnt finish

>>714207495
He's lost all emotion and is nearly a soulless husk. That's what you're supposed to learn if you pay attention to all the stuff in his lab and the dialogue chains in it. Of course turning him into this was supposed to cause him to self reflect on how he had nearly destroyed his people in his mad bid for power but since Irenicus is a salty fucking retard, all it did was make him seethe more and plot revenge. It's actually amazing that all of the suffering and pain everyone goes through could've been avoided if Ellesime had just pulled the trigger and had him executed rather than sparing him because he was her lover.

>>714167301 (OP)
>Jaheira romancable
She still is, if you got the right stuff.

>>714208494
>panther form
druids mang, they are one of my favorite classes but damn

>>714208660
It was mostly a Halsin-derived joke and channeling some of Khelgar's racism into it for laughs.

>>714207319
I'll be honest, I always thought she and Korgan would be cute together. She helps him rein in some of his shittier tendencies, and he helps her loosen up a bit.

>>714207803
Why she thought taking away his emotions and soul instead of, y'know, his immense magical ability is beyond me. I know love makes one stupid, but fucking hell.

>>714208494
>Jaheira is canonically the town bike
checks out for the eco-terrorist archetype.

>>714208494
What the fuck is that journal entry even from?

>>714208494
Can someone explain to me wtf happened in the time between bg2 and bg3. Supposedly there was a 'sundering' event or something that lowered everyone's power down a notch, which is why jaheira is only level 8 now even though she was at least an arch druid in bg2?

>>714209779
Basically in 4E they decided to get rid of a ton of the FR zones no one ever used like Maztica and Mulhorand, so they created another planet that traded continents with the main planet. But everyone disliked the new continents and nations even more, so in 5E they reverted it back. That's it. There is no actual explanation for the BG2 characters being significantly weaker in universe, that's just a decision Larian/WotC made so they could forcibly bring back characters whose story was over and done with in BG2.

>>714209568
I wrote it, it's from a mod I made that adds Khelgar Ironfist from NWN2 to BG3 as a zombified/hollow miniboss encounter. I added a journal and thought I'd have some fun. She does not canonically like to have sex in Panther form, that was me poking fun at BG3's overly-horny writing.

>>714200043
My 'otel's as clean as an elven arse.

>>714210240
>no actual explanation
For fucks sake they could have at least added a throwaway line about her proximity to the shadow curse was eating away at her power. It would have been stupid but at least it would have been SOMETHING.

>>714211609
The game shouldn't even have been called BG3, it should've just been whatever Larian wanted to name their D&D project. BG1-2 are a full and complete saga, with a beginning, middle, and end. Brand recognition was the only reason they forced Larian to use the name, and the old characters as well. And unsurprisingly all the elements linked to the previous games came out as absolute garbage.

>>714209779
What happened is that the franchise was disused for 20 years and 3 D&D editions, and they could either put Minsc and Jaheira in the game under the level cap (12) or take a $100M writedown in real life.