It's time to upgrade anon
you can't expect your ancient hardware to last forever

>>714176007 (OP)
I just bought a new AM4 CPU It's gonna take me like 5 years to make the switch to DDR5

nope, my 5800x3d is hanging in there

all modern games are shit, nice try

>i9-14900kf
Please don't die please don't die please don't die

>>714176007 (OP)
My 8 core AMD R7 1700 CPU still plays 60FPS games, lol.

>>714176219
This. Best purchase of my life.

5800X3D to 9800X3D was a pretty good leap. I try to play at high framerates. In most cases you'll be better off upgrading your GPU than a CPU.

>>714176219
I'm on a 2700x and just bought a 5800x3d

I don't think Im upgrading for another 3-5 years

>>714176219
I got an rx 5800x non 3d and I run it on eco because it's overkill for everything

>>714176007 (OP)
maybe in a year or two. i'm on 5600x and it's fine for me. i'd rather get a new gpu.

>upgrade now
>when the next node shrink is going from 140 million to 300 million transistors per mm2
>when next amd cpu generation is increasing core counts to 12
>when next amd gpu generation is unfucking their software performance and guaranteeing big monster shader chiplets that can completely btfo the 6090 and nvidia physically cannot make a competitor
there has never been a better time to wait

i5 3550 reporting in
Hello fellow gamers!

i already got an AM5 cpu, mobo, and ram bundle for $450 last year

>>714176007 (OP)
I'm only playing games from 4 to 5 years ago. I doubt I need anything better than an R5 5600.

I know they used to be the economical choice for AM4 upgrades, but is the 5700/5800X3D still worth it? You can't get them retail any more. I could just get one of the Microcenter bundles with a 7800X3D, RAM, and Mobo for another $200.

>>714176007 (OP)
My 5700x is hanging in there. I think I'm just going to wait until AM6 and then build a whole new PC

>>714176529
Ehhh, I wouldn't say that. A lot of games in the last couple years have been pretty CPU reliant. At the very least you should make sure you have a decent CPU, it was pretty insane seeing MH Wilds and Dragon's Dogma 2 come out and watching people have really bad performance. The games shouldn't have ran that bad but they outed sooooo many people for having a monster GPU but some ancient 7 year old CPU. There were so many people going into threads for the benchmark and demo complaining about getting sub-60fps on their 4080 or 4090 and I still see some people complaining because they think they can still get away with having the bare minimum for a CPU or maybe they genuinely don't know since people act like only the GPU matters

>>714176007 (OP)
Even my shitty 6800k works fine in most games today. AM4 didn't even exist when that was a thing.

>>714176219
Still cruising on a 5600x.
I'm sure it's bottlenecking my rx 9070 but I'm not upgrading my mobo for 7 more fps.

>>714176007 (OP)
I have a 5800x and just upgraded to a 5070ti. Honestly don't think I need a new CPU for another 5 years.

>>714176007 (OP)
I did, sold my 5600X+mono and ram to my brother and got a 285K with a mobo and ram for 850€ on Caseking.

>>714176007 (OP)
I'm already on AM5 so not my problem.

>>714178563
Am5 with a 7000 cpu, especially a 3D is much better in terms of performance. Wasn't there 7600x3D and 7700x3D cpus?

>>714176007 (OP)
Yeah fuck off I will easily get another 5 years out of my 5700x.

i will be using my 2600X until my shitty ASUS mobo fries itself

>>714179940
My Ryzen 7 1700 is still capable of playing 60FPS games. The two games you listed (both Capcom games) are on Steam with extremely negative reviews because of their poor performances. I'm fully aware my CPU is old, so what do you say about all those Steam reviewers, they're all also just as old as my CPU? Pick better examples to illustrate your point.

I can confidently that any CPU purchased from the last 8 years is capable of performing at 60FPS when paired up with good GPU. CPU bottlenecks don't really exist anymore. I don't count Capcom shitware programming as a counterpoint, sorry, the proof is in the pudding of those Steam reviews being EXTREMELY OVERWHELMINGLY NEGATIVE BECAUSE OF POOR PERFORMANCE.

Silent Hill 2 Remake can run at 60FPS on an AMD Ryzen 7 1700. https://youtu.be/-gWyxPS3X_8?t=827 This hovers 60-70, with the RTX 2060 that isn't even a new GPU either. You vastly overestimate how mandatory CPU upgrades are for modern games.

>>714176007 (OP)
Nah, the games that require that are just unoptimized, Im not going to upgrade just to brute force it. Seems the games that are like that arent really worth playing, let alone upgrading to play.

>>714176007 (OP)
Why? All the games I play could run on an AM2 machine if I really wanted to use one.

>>714182313
Now that's sad

I'm still on a i7-6700k, every game is CPU limited, no Windows 11 support. But I'm still hanging in there. Use frame gen for CPU limited games, Windows 10 will get windows defender updates till 2028.

My processor is almost 10 years old and I'm never changing it

I have a 5700G and it's enough to play anything. The APU was useful when I bought a new gpu and was waiting for it to arrive (it was late)

>>714176007 (OP)
>i5-12400
Good cpu, shit socket. I'm stuck having to wait for AM6 pretty much but somehow I still tend to get 60 FPS.
>Rise of the ronin was 60fps in combat
>MH Wilds is 60 fps with a mod that culls animals, unnecessary monsters etc,
>Vindictus defying fate test was 60 fps other than in hub

>>714176294
Pretty much.
I'm still using a 3700x. I feel like I should upgrade just because it's been so many years, but everyone I price something out I ask myself what I'd play first when I got it. The answer is always "nothing different."

>>714177287
And when it releases you can keep waiting because it'll be constantly sold out for the first year, at least.
Then the next big thing will be on the horizon, so you better wait for that instead.

I'm on 5700X3D, I'm skipping until AM6

>>714178563
From what I've seen the 5800x3d and 7800x3d go for about the same price, just comparing cpu to cpu. An am5 board might cost a bit more, but it'd be worth the jump.

>>714183875
you upgrade on a node shrink dummy
this is way more than a node shrink

I literally just went from a 1700 to a 5700x3d

Updated recently from r5 1600 to r7 5700x, feels great to play starsector with constant 60 fps at 800 battle size.

Just went from 3700x/2080ti to 5700x3d/3080ti. The plan is to wait till am6 before I build a new PC.

>>714176007 (OP)
Short of swapping to a 9800X3D there's literally no reason to care if you're on at least a 5600X3D.

>>714182431
Sad that a good game hasn't released since 2014? I agree.

>>714182127
This was the case till somewhat recently then they made a lot of games really CPU heavy again a 1700 will bottleneck you if you bought even a midrange new gpu

>>714176464
>plays
>60fps
A contradiction in two words.

My LGA1155 is serving me well so far. Stock fan clips were a bit crap though.

>>714183875
Waiting gives me untold amounts of euphoria, you wouldnt understand

>>714176007 (OP)
Until my 1660 super literally dies and can't be used, Im not switching

Whats a nice modern upgrade for a 5800X in the same kinda ballpark? Very nice if its something that doesn't spike to 80C opening a new tab in chrome, though I guess expecting decent thermals from AMD is a fools game.

>>714184367
Okay e-sport 120FPS loser. When are you going to be on TV? 120FPS shall not be caring.

I emulate GBA games.

I still don't have any reason to upgrade from a 4790k

>>714176007 (OP)
>this post was sponsored by AMD and Asus

>>714184726
Love yourself and use Ungoogled Chromium or Firefox

>>714184726
>5800X
This is what I have and since the 5700x3d can't be bought cheaply anymore I think the only option is to go to am5 or wait.

And since I don't think it's much of an issue yet anyway unless you bought at least a 5080 I'm just going to wait another generation

>>714176007 (OP)
Still using an overclocked 8700k. Not upgrading until it hits sub 60fps in a game I actually enjoy.

>>714181593
most if not all am4 mobos support ryzen 5000.
also your current average fps will be your new minimum fps with a 5800X3D. the performance jump is quite large.

>>714176219
I'm not upgrading mine until there are at least 12 core CCDs or vcache on both CCDs

>>714181445
most if not all am4 mobos support ryzen 5000.
also the performance increase is quite large. your current average fps will be your new minimum fps with a 5800X3D.

The newest ryzen APUs are dogshit, the 8500g/8600g are dogshit and only the 8700g is worth but at that point you could source dedicated gpu and pair with a 5600g because AM4 boards are cheap and so is DDR4 ram.

Sorry it will take years to jump over to AM5

Still running all games just fine with an r7 5700.

>Got a 5700x3d when the price dropped to 180
I'm good

>>714176007 (OP)
Already upgraded to a 7700X a couple years ago. AM5 had(has?) an issue with the memory training on every boot, but tweaking a couple settings solves it. Might not be an issue on newer BIOS' anymore idk.

Also the weird new heat spreaders tend to get thermal paste in the little nooks, but aftermarket contact frames are inexpensive and you can get a nice nearly-flush fit. Not super important but it prevents a mess when it comes time to repaste.

>>714184082
5700X3D is like 40% cheaper than 5800X3D for like 5% decrease in performance.

.

5700x3d
I think I'll just wait for AM6 before upgrading

>>714185328
anon someone said that 60FPS isn't playable >>714184367 what do you make of his statements about 60FPS not being good enough?

>>714185050
hey! your me from last year!

>>714186510
I'd say I have fond memories of 2500k but all I remember is the horrid cooler mounting on those plastic legs.

OP is a fag as usual.
https://www.xda-developers.com/4-signs-that-its-time-to-upgrade-from-am4-socketed-cpu/
>4 signs that it's finally time to upgrade from an AM4 socketed CPU

>4. Your GPU isn't being fully utilized
>Especially you're planning on upgrading that, too

>3. You're already on the best AM4 CPU
>It doesn't get any better from here, unfortunately

>2. You just bought a GPU with less than 10GB of VRAM
>Being limited to PCIe 3.0 has an effect on performance

>1. DDR4 isn't cutting it for you
>DDR5 is cheap...for now

>yes I am enjoying 60FPS on my older CPU and motherboard
>ARE YOU? ARE YOU? WHY AREN'T YOU WILLING TO PAY FOR 500 DOLLARS FOR A NEW CPU AND MOTHERBOARD COMBO? HELLO THIS IS 120FPS NOW WOW LMAO 60FPS
Why do AMD and Intel marketers act this way about 60FPS

>>714176007 (OP)
>intel 5960x
>980Ti
Nuh nah yet

>its time to give devs even less of a reason to optimize their shit

>>714176007 (OP)
AM4 has some more life for a while as a good budget choice. If youre on zen 1 (1000 & 2000 series) its time to upgrade. If you're on zen 2 (3000 & 4000 series) its time to look and see if you play games that need an upgrade, but its probably time. Zen 3 (5000 series) if you have at least 6 cores you should be good for a few more years with plenty of FPS, spend the money on a GPU. if you have a 5700x3d or 5800x3d youll be sitting pretty for a long time since moores law has lost its value as newer lithographies are more expensive than the previous gen starting at 28nm along with the performance gain from doubling transistor count has been diminishing since the 2000s

>>714176007 (OP)
there are no modern AAA games worth upgrading my pc for

Wait for Zen7
glowing-cat.jpg etc

You'll all be fine on AM4 for a while yet

>>714176007 (OP)
lol no
Though I can imagine some jews making notes reading this thread, like "see this mr Goldberg? This is why we shouldn't release good products, else people will just sit on them forever instead of buying fresh slop every year"

>>714186721

>2. You just bought a GPU with less than 10GB of VRAM
>Being limited to PCIe 3.0 has an effect on performance
kek that not even fully a true statement. My 3500X and B550 living room pc has PCIe 4.

name one (1) game worthy of the upgrade.

>>714187160
Anon, 90% of NVIDIA's profit revenue is selling AI cards. You haven't gotten the message that PC gaming is fucked for a long time thanks to Crypto, COVID, and AI.

>>714186609
>anon someone said that 60FPS isn't playable
It probably isn't it you're used to faster and play sweaty faggot competitive slop. The real deal breaker is unstable fps regardless of the cap.

>>714186776
My grandfather was like you with his "blazing 486) he was telling me about in in 2005, 15 years after it was released. hell man even a budget build would be an upgrade for you.

>>714187454
sweaty faggot competitive slop are all running on skillbased matchmaking code. Imagine all those 120FPS sweaty CPU builds just to get mandatory 50:50 W and L ratio. Zoomers and e-sports are braindead siblings.

>>714187589
>he doesn't have a 480hz oled to play tf2
ngmi

>>714176007 (OP)
I play at 4k so I'm heavily GPU limited. Jumping from a 5800x3d to something like 9800x3d will cost me a new motherboard, new RAM, new CPU, all just to have like 10-15% more FPS. Not worth it.

>>714187589
Matchmaking code is the worst shit ever invented. It's either that or a game that tries to blend pvp and pve and then gets wrecked because nobody is happy.

>>714186721
>>2. You just bought a GPU with less than 10GB of VRAM
>>Being limited to PCIe 3.0 has an effect on performance
lol lmao

>>714184020
my nigga
>make a 2600 build
>wait
>drop a 5700x3d for a nice eol upgrade
>see you in am6 or 7 who knows

>>714184726
>Very nice if its something that doesn't spike to 80C opening a new tab in chrome, though I guess expecting decent thermals from AMD is a fools game
i wonder why my 5800X doesn't do this, very strange

amd sucks, get nvidia.

How much longer is an 8700k good for? Would a modern gpu bottleneck?

>>714189724
You might have won the silicon lottery or the other anon is living in extremely hot conditions.

>>714190495
i wouldn't be caught fucking dead with an nvidia card after they started stylizing themselves as the apple of GPU, let alone after they fucked EVGA into the dirt with that apple styled price announcement scheme

No thanks I'm sticking with my 14600K. Swapping out so much hardware just to run a shitty UE5 game better isn't worth anybody's time.

>>714190740
i mean it goes from 35 C to 50 C for a split second
but that's not a cause for concern, just how modern CPUs work

>>714186776
holy based

>>714189724
>i wonder why my 5800X doesn't do this, very strange
Am5 automatically pushes itself as hard as possible up to the temperature limit, Am4 didn't, they even redesigned the layout of the X3D chips in AM5 as the AM4 ones were very prone to heat fucking them.

>>714193625
>Am5 automatically pushes itself as hard as possible up to the temperature limit
maybe but we were talking about the 5800X, read the thread again

>>714176007 (OP)
Pentium II 233mhz / don't know it was a laptop
Celeron 1.8 ghz / GeForce 4 MX 440
Pentium D / Radeon x700
Pentium D / Radeon 1950XTX pro
i7-3770 / GTX 660
i7-3770 / GTX 1050ti
Ryzen 5 7500f / RTX 4080 super
Current PC:
Ryzen 7 9800x3d / RTX 4080 super

>>714193765
What I said stands, AM4 CPUs X3D or not don't self overclock their tits off, AM5 ones do, cache or not, the AM5 X3D chips had to be redesigned to accommodate this change in behavior.

>>714194004
Every modern AMD CPU self evaluates its silicon, the potential of the cooler on top of it, the very concept of XFR relies on this. It is not any different between AM4 and AM5.
From the Bulldozer era AMD developed a host of sensors for internal die power monitoring, they could even per clock cycle track leakage current. Newer Zen based CPUs have traditional thermisters but all of these chips now have this system as a back bone for auto overclocking and pushing 1T or 2T workloads as fast as they can without violating thermal margin.
I am a literal expert in this btw. Not exaggerating.

>>714177287
Never be an early adopter.

>>714194972
>pushing 1T or 2T workloads as fast as they can without violating thermal margin
What's the problem then, loud cooling?

>>714194972
>I am a literal expert in this btw. Not exaggerating
can you explain why intel CPUs are retarded and degrade after 2 weeks
i'm considering buying a 14700K and you need to bring me back down to earth

>>714195228
The basal concept of thermal margin is taking advantage of a material property which is applicable to all transistors: Lower temps equals less leakage current, and less leakage means slighly less heat. XFR trys to momentarily utilize this to push clocks just 100mhz higher here and there when the chip thinks it can get away with it.
Intel has a nearly exact same system to. The higher core count intel chips have a "preferred core" which can clock slightly higher than others, and this has to be identified in qualification, its not a given that one core in a specific area will always be better.

>>714195310
A youtube video would serve you better when it comes to the degradation that some owners of 13th or 14th gen intel users experience. There is a lot of material science behind it, and there is a very pointed corporate decision behind it to push binned chips right up to the edge of what they can tolerate while still being worth selling.
Is my CPU *really* okay with running at 5.5ghz with an NT workload? Probably not. Should a company sell a product claiming it can do that? Probably not. Will those through retailer shipped units last after years? Maybe 90 percent, but 10 percent is an insane failure rate. Is intel as an operating business entity comfortable fucking over potentially millions of their own customers? Probably.

>>714194972
explain the PS5 processor

>>714176219
My 5800x is still kicking ass

>>714196267
>A youtube video would serve you better when it comes to the degradation that some owners of 13th or 14th gen intel users experience
yeah i know, buildzoid talked about it
>Is my CPU *really* okay with running at 5.5ghz with an NT workload? Probably not.
degradation seems to be happening at low loads though

eh i'm just gonna undervolt and hope for the best
14th gen is too good of a deal at this point to pass up on

>>714196543
What about it? Its two Zen2 core complexes, they have narrower FMACs to save power and die area, they also try to dynamically clock to share power limit with the IGP which is what all mobile APUs do as well. I think only the latest Xboner chip maintains dead solid clocks. Both do a great job at keeping their power usage in check though, last I've seen both are under 200w at load and thats with PSU losses

>>714176007 (OP)
I wasn't aware Switch 2 emulation was already a thing

>>714196851
thanks

Na, I still get 100+ FPS in the games I enjoy with my 5950, and its still great for production workloads. Only thing the system sucks for is AI on CPU but thats more of a DDR4 bandwidth issue then anything, but I've got my 3090 for that shit.

3800x paired with a 6900xt here
Explain why I should upgrade in less than 1 billion words.

>>714176007 (OP)
Anon I'm still on a 4690K and no I won't upgrade for windows11.

>>714186510
>Runs hotter than nuclear fusion plasma
Proof energy scarcity is a total scam because we could be generating near infinite energy running old intel CPU's for heat.

>>714197198
>my 5950
You won't be playing Dragon's Dogma 2 or Monster Hunter Wilds on that potato.

>>714176007 (OP)
my FUCKING asrock mobo just killed my FUCKING 9800x3d brehs... its OVER

>>714183667
Can my 3700x survive gta6?

>>714200396
So it's true what they say. One should never buy assrock and assus for the latest ryzen cpu's.

>>714199732
I used 11 since 2021 on a 4570k, works like a charm.

>>714200575
That's very unlikely.

r8 my poorfag setup for running windows 7
already have the mainboard and psu/tower so it really only is upgrading cpu/gpu/ssd and DOWNLOADING MORE RAM

>>714200836
i'm going to feed another cpu to this mobo. surely this bios update asrock will have handled it. right????