>few years ago, generative AI and LLMs are first entering the public zeitgeist.
>countless opportunities and excitement arises in terms of video games
>imagine NPC's you can fully interact with, not just using predefined conversation paths
>imagine photorealistic, movie like graphics being generated on the fly where you cannot tell virtual and real life footage apart
>Imagine in-depth stories generated uniquely to you by AI game master like entities.
>fast forward to now
>everyone thinks AI is slop
>usage of AI is seen as cheap and lazy
>""artists"" are going crazy because machines are suddenly becoming just as capable, if not better at creating original content
>usage of LLMs is seen as some cardinal sin in the realm of creativity.
>generative AI companies are slandered from training their content on other works and "stealing" from artists - despite the fact every story, drawing, song is in some way inspired by previous works.

Is it fear of progress? inability to cope with the fact that your skills, once seen as somewhat valuable are not actually that special and can be replicated so easily by machines?
While not an artist I am a software engineer. I am fully aware currently AI code is slop, like how an artist might regard ai generated imagery to be shit. But I also understand it's progressing at an accelerating rate. Will I be out of a job in a few years? Will AI generate better code than I ever could? Maybe. Am I going to blame humanity for this? No because I am not a retard.

LLMs hallucinate random shit and generate images with 8 fingers - but in a not so far future, they won't.

Imagine the possibilities they are withholding from you because they cannot cope with the fact they are not as special as they thought.

>Could it be the promises were lies?
>No, the users are irrational.

(You)

Was very saddened to delete The Alters, but I know better than to support AIslop that will make the industry worse.

>The Alters comes out, it has AI slop
>It's just a single texture, bro (Of what we caught, at least), let it go
>Game succeeds
>Developers know that AIslop doesn't get any meaningful pushback
>It's a competitive advantage to use AIslop
>Pretty much all companies use AIslop because why the fuck wouldn't they?
>Lower quality games are released faster with more shortcuts
>Indie games (The Alters is an indie game, by the way) have to compete with AIslop as well
>Soon everything is AIslop
>Becomes an endless regurgitation of itself in an industry where people just proompt
>It's 2040 now
>The best game released in 2040 is worse than the average indie hit from 2025

It doesn't take a genius to figure out that an industry consisting of games made by 10 proompters that are skillful at doing the 2020s equivalent of inputting google search inquiries are not gonna reach anywhere near the same level of quality as games that actually had personal craft put into them like the best games that release nowadays.

AIjeets have yet to explain why I am supposed to be happy by this dark future, and, not only that, why I'm supposed to spend my hard earned money on video games like The Alters that propel that future into reality.

>>714180136 (OP)
>"AI" is a supposedly multi-trillion dollar industry
>It has no actual results to show for it besides porn generation
>Actual technology still keeps getting worse, especially code
Huh

>>714181110
Which one of the three ideas I included is unachievable in your eyes?

>>714181358
You cannot be serious if you think AI is somehow "getting worse" and only useful for porn.
gooner take

>>714181358
Two more weeks, saar benchnod

>>714181161
stupid nigger

>>714182078
Hey, @Grok, tell this anon that he doesn't know how to counter-argue but pretend you're Stewie Griffin doing it.

>>714182196
not gonna waste my time counter arguing with a retard
i dont respect you or your opinion
ai is here to stay so get fucked

>>714182469
I accept your concession.
>Paying for AIslop
cringe and cuckpilled
>Refusing to pay for AIslop
based and smartpilled

>>714181358
Yeeeeeah, right. Literally fucking everyone is using chatgpt or alternatives. Ask your fellow dumb zoomers, colleagues (oh wait, you don't have a job), friends (oh wait...), etc. Now even if 5% of them is paying for subscription it already makes more than fucking anything else before.

>>714181358
STOP NOOTICING SAAR!!!!

>>714183271

Every single chatbot company including OpenAI is losing money. I don't think you appreciate how expensive this shit is

>>714180136 (OP)
I like AI, and its uses. Just needs more time to evolve as a technology. I don't care about the pseuds that complain about it, I'm just here to use the fun tool to make fun results.

There is a massive amount of real estate between LLMs which are glorified search engines and true artificial intelligence.

I don't think we will ever be able to create true machine sentience.
Calling it "AI" is quite literally just a marketing spam.

I don't know, maybe it's the fact it's improved nothing and made literally everything on the internet exponentially more shit except for gooners.

When are those LLMs going to make us games we can play?

>>714181358
>Actual technology still keeps getting worse, especially code
no, it isn't. or at least it doesn't appear to be for the people who matter.
I'm a software dev for a fairly large company and not only have we done away with our AI restrictions, they want us to start using Cursor and stepping away from actual code by the end of the year.

>>714183707
agreed. LLMs are AI like those glorified headsets with remotes are VR. or like hoverboards.
what is it with humanity and giving sci-fi names to stuff that's not even a tenth as advanced?

>>714181358
You really pissed them off with this one

>>714180136 (OP)
Becuase most generative content AI produces is still shit. It's only good for text based generation atm.

The issue isn't that it won't get better, the issue is that retards like you try to push a dog shit product that is clearly inferior and pretend people only hate it becuase it's AI. All in a atempt to get more Investor funding from retarded tech-illiterate boomers.

If AI is good enough, nobody will care. It's still only good for text generation and TTS. It's only good as a helpful tool for 2D art. Only a real artist can make use of it becuase it always has to be touched up and fixed. Pure generations look like shit. Then anything more complicated like that like video is still awful and in uncanny valley territory.

my take:
AI users are focused on the product, non-AI users also focus on the end result, but appreciate the process that it takes to get to the end result.

With that in mind, AI users are, to some degree, incapable of going through with the process of creating. In fact, I would argue that they are incapable of processing any information whatsoever.
They are bugmen, through and through. I don't give a shit what you think you made, you did not make it. You don't know what it takes to create things.
To the AI users who have in the past created something. You lost your creative spark, by using AI you are admitting defeat, that you have no soul, which is the driving force of creativity.

Creativity exists only through limitation. That's why the spark of the soul is so important with creating things. Your soul is infinite, but it is limited by the material. That is the biggest limitation, and nurturing that relationship of the soul and the material through the process, is the only way to create something worth anything.

As a millennial, I invite you to take a look at this picture from the series SpongeBob Squarepants.
Up top you can see King Neptune, the defacto AI user. Underneath, you can see SpongeBob, the sponge with a soul.

Sure, AI can produce results more quickly. It may even look impressive on the surface. Ultimately, it is an empty husk. A paper dragon.

SpongeBob only managed to create one hamburger in the time it took Neptune to create thousands. But guess what? You can taste the heart and soul he put into it.

In short, AI is for bugmen without souls, without creative sparks, and simply by virtue of using it, you are admitting that you lack the very thing that makes us human.
AI is a metaphor. Utilizing it means that you, in fact, are the artificial intelligence. If you had real intelligence, you would not rely on LLMs and machines to create slop for you. You are an artificial being who has fallen away from the divine nature of creating.

>>714184791
In my OP, I literally speak about how AI is still not great you troglodyte. We are speaking of the future. And I disagree - even when AI is perfect, people will still hate on it for sake of being anti-AI.

>Only a real artist can make use of it becuase it always has to be touched up and fixed
Go explore one of those AI image generation threads on /g/ or /b/

>Why are you afraid of it?
Cause it's fucking if ugly and soulless, literally. AI art just smacks you in the head that it's AI generated, and the videos of ai generated games looked horrid. Even before "ai generation" became a term there was procedural generation and that shit was inferior to hand Crafted. A game like Morrowind would be impossible for AI to generate, and the world needs more Morrowind.

>>714185235
>We are speaking of the future.
AGI two more weeks bloody benchod saar

>>714184803
TRVKE

SAAAAAAAR!!!

>>714185893
this is why it's important to get on gibs

How much of a simpleton do you need to be to think you can be replaced by ai?

I asked chatgpt to add up a long list of numbers and it completely made up an answer. How is that even possible when I fed it all the numbers?

>>714186234
Same reason asking your windows calculator to generate a haiku will give you numbers.

>>714180136 (OP)
AI generated = bad
AI assisted = good

Hope that helps.

>>714184803
>SpongeBob only managed to create one hamburger in the time it took Neptune to create thousands. But guess what? You can taste the heart and soul he put into it.
You can't, actually.

>>714184803
sorry but when i need to fap i'm not spending 5 hours trying to find a human ERP partner for the sake of heckin' creativity
i'm just skipping right to the good part

>>714180136 (OP)
no its a very real fear of corporate elite rich billionaire overlords realizing that they can replace 99% of the planet's population with robots that cost less to run, leading to almost total extreme poverty in every country on earth including 1st world ones, leading to complete economic collapse of humanity as a whole, leading to apocalyptic levels of crime and unrest and outright barbarism as people return to killing and stealing to survive, leading to the decline of us as a species and possible extinction if some dumb cunt in russia or american presses the nuke button now that his masters are all dead and hes starving and he hates the world

>>714185992
I don't have gibs in my cunt so I had to become cryptobropilled. Same shit, just harder to cash out

>>714186605
>how would you feel if you didn't eat breakfast?
>but I did eat breakfast
that's you.
>>714186664
sounds like a personal problem.

>>714180136 (OP)
>like how an artist might regard ai generated imagery to be shit.
This isn't how it works. Code being shit has tangible disadvantages and bad code is something you can prove scientifically.

AI art on the other hand is objectively good usually, people just hate it because of their biases which are usually just illogical. It's been proven time and time again that people prefer AI art to regular art all too often, even if they "hate" AI art.

This guy here is a good example lol >>714181161
>likes a game
>having fun
>find out some texture was made with a program he doesn't like
>chimps out about this on 4chan for at least 24 hours because I saw him yesterday
This is just retard rage.

>LLMs hallucinate random shit and generate images with 8 fingers
So do people, so...

>anti-AI edgelords will always go out of their way to claim "UHM NO ACKSHUALLY AI is shit and not even real AI I am very le smart"

yeah, no duh. AI today is crap but compared to just five years ago it has gotten substantially more advanced to the point that it is impossible to ignore. The point is that it is not going to remain this way forever and probably not even for very long.

So tired of these pseudfags in every AI thread...

>>714184803
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voJqD-__IL4

>>714187401
>AI today is crap
not even remotely true, it's far beyond what most people can do

>>714186973
>that's you.
You cannot tell the difference between a good fry cook and a middling fry cook.

>>714184791
>It's only good for text based generation atm.
Not even, at least in creative media. Shit loses coherency very quickly and atill has most of the same problems from 5 years ago with all the repeated "AI-isms", not being able to handle 3+ people in a scene without lots of tard wrangling, etc.

I'm not reading all that, I just want to say that I fucking hate the lazy as fuck AI sloppers who create "games" where it's just a VN using AI images. That's all people are posting to F95 now.

>trick people with ai videos that are heavily guided by real footage
>get more government funding
>never release your ai to the public because it actually sucks
How long ago did they preview that Sora shit? Did it ever come out? Nobody even bothers using these video ais to make shitposts on 4chan

>>714187692
I was only comparing it with it's real potential of course and "it's far beyond what most people can do" I can wholly agree to that especially artfags.

>>714184473
This AI is the new VR to me.
Somethings were alright and popular like VRchat and Beat Saber.
But, nothing actually great comes out of it.
Even the actually skilled people who use AI, say it's takes them more time using it.

>>714187401
>The point is that it is not going to remain this way forever
The point is that tech doesnt progress linearly and that the actual tech is bottlenecked to hell and back. All progression in the past years have been on user controls. Until you solve the need for exponentially more data, cost (it cant sustain forever without results), energy needs, etc, its not going to progress in a significant way.

>>714187401
>>714187692
two words:
AI ERP

>>714180136 (OP)
AI has two core issues.
>Built off of stolen work and is being used to dodge copyright laws which have been slow to catch up - but they ARE catching up such as with Disney/Universal vs Midjouney.
>it's not nearly as good as advertised. It still has problems with major hallucinations and inability to problem solve - which is to be expected because it's made to predict what it thinks sounds right, instead of actually thinking

Combining both of those with the fact that AI is largely bring pedalled by scammers/grifters/Indians, the general public is rapidly becoming exhausted by it already. AI has a lot of self inflicted uphill battles to push through.

>>714188849
>is being used to dodge copyright laws
This is a good thing, actually

>>714181161
This is entirely correct.
Using AI is akin to cutting corners. When people start thinking it's okay to cut corners, corners get cut more and more.
This puts you on a rapid trajectory to churn out slop.

Don't expect civil discussion about issue regarding generative AI on this board

>>714189074
I gotta wonder how many actual people are in this thread anyway.

>>714189074
You can get accused of being a pajeet, or of being a tranny artist
Your choice.

>>714186664
I don’t see any text adventure games that allow me to play as an NCR trooper who exclusively fucks ghoul women during combat leave. I did a playthrough for 8-12 hours straight and the AI still kept track of what I did. So, I’m pretty excited for AI development.

>""artists"" are going crazy
This line is the wildest thing about this whole mess over AI. People have convinced themselves that all artists are "woke", and thus AI is based, because artists don't like AI.

Yeah, AI is cool. Kids love using it to make their favourite characters do or say funny things, just like we used to love when artists did it for us. People criticise AI and get called luddites, because people think "luddite" just means "technology...le bad."

What people are actually mad about is:
>techfags invent thing
>thing has potentially cool uses
>instead of applying it for anything remotely useful or good, techfags take it to global megacorp
>global megacorp decides this can make line go up
>AI gets shoehorned into fucking everything
>AI helper in your apps
>AI summary in your searches
>AI companion everywhere you fucking look
>half the time it's broken, the other half it's unreliable, and 100% of the time it's less user friendly than just using a normal search engine or function
>but the line must go up
>doesn't matter if everything gets permanently shittified
>because the line must go up

The devotees of AI are terminally online retards who believe it is a new front in their made up culture war, the people who want to burn it all down have usually had something they love ruined by its arrival, and everyone else doesn't really give a fuck.

>>714189002
>using a knife is akin to cutting corners

>DOOOOOOD THE AI
>@GROK ISN'T THIS COOL
>IMAGINE THE VIDEO GAMES....

jeets and marvelfags are the only ones who eat this shit up

>>714190220
>retarded analogy
NTA but if you really are this dense please tell whoever is using the computer for you that AI is not being used as a tool to aid the creation process, it is being trained as a replacement for entire chunks of it with basically zero attention to quality control.

>>714190361
>marvelfags
What’s capeshit got to do with this

>>714188849
>>Built off of stolen work
So it's like all art? Wow.

>>714189883
name a single based artist

>>714190623
the retards who clap at AI slop being endlessly churned out like it because it is a theorhetically infinite pool to consooooom from

like when starwars fags get excited about Nogger Watermelonus, a well dressed extra in a fight scene, gets a 2 season long spinoff show. It's all content for them to consoom. AI is in theory "infinite content" without having to deal with pesky shit like "writers" and "artists." They can now instantly get excited about thing and consoom it

>>714180136 (OP)
Maybe ai could code the games so they are optimized to subpar degree , not this shit that we all expiriencing atm.
Besides some indies and one or two established franchise, I really dont give a damn for 99% of the new games nowadays. With or without AI, they will be shit and boy, I cant wait till publishers will think and then replace 80% of dev teams with ai. New generation will consume it like a kraut eating shit.

>>714189883
>because people think "luddite" just means "technology...le bad."
that's what it means, luddite

>The devotees of AI are terminally online retards who believe it is a new front in their made up culture war, the people who want to burn it all down have usually had something they love ruined by its arrival, and everyone else doesn't really give a fuck
post 1 pro-AI person with a large following and 1 anti-AI person with a large following and tell me who is the more unhinged

>>714189883
>People have convinced themselves that all artists are "woke", and thus AI is based, because artists don't like AI.
Yep. AI is fun, but it's nothing really groundbreaking has come out of it.
>>714190757
You think any artists can copy something one to one perfectly? Even if they traced it still would suffer from things like their line weight being lighter.

>>714190925
>that's what it means, luddite
it has very little to do with hating new technology and everything to do with disliking irresponsible implementation of it.
>go on twitter right now and compare e-celebs
I don't give a fuck about screeching fags on the internet, but fart sniffing techfags who think they're gods gift while they ruin everything they touch are a plague

>>714190506
Apt analogy lol. You're literally afraid of a tool.

>>714190757
the difference is that if an artist straight up copies another artist and gets caught, they get in trouble and can often struggle to make anymoney off the stolen art.

when AIfags do it, it's necessary to prevent the collapse of their retarded industry. it'd be one thing if they were paying artists, writers, authors, whatever for the use of their work in AI-but they aren't. the bots just lift it, learn it, and present it as their own work and information.

It's barely been a year or two and people are already using AI apps instead of doing their own research. The slide into complete learned helplessness happened so fast that it's parody-tier

>>714188849
Then there's pajeets who think it's infallible

>>714191226
>You think any artists can copy something one to one perfectly?
So you're implying AI can, and that if it can it's still shit? How do people get this fucking retarded?

>>714191460
There is no difference and artists always copy other artists, what do you think anime is? What is an art medium?

>>714191245
it has everything to do with hating new technology you illiterate ahistorical cuck
>I don't give a fuck about screeching fags on the internet
you better start because you are one

>>714180136 (OP)
People are just getting bored of AI because just like Crypto, NFT or Metaverse, it couldn't out-perform the initial hype, and the "futuristic vision" of it being applied to everything in a year or two, was nothing more than an unrealistic fantasy
You could cope by saying otherwise, but that's just going to make you look more miserable by admitting defeat because of "muh artist"

>>714191710
instead of lifting quite literally the first thing that appears when you google luddite, maybe do a child's level of research on where the term and movement comes from

god you AIjeets have lost all critical thinking skills kek. is this what the future will be like? just endless hoards of hapless tards insisting that they're very very smart?

>>714191984
>STOP PROVING ME WRONG
lmfao

>>714180136 (OP)
>I hate this non-existent villain called "the artist" I conjured up in my head, so I'm going to suck dicks of corporation and the big techs to fight them
grim

>>714189883
>People have convinced themselves that all artists are "woke"
If that's the case then I guess even right-wing Japanese artists are not immune from being called "woke" because of their opposition to generative AI technology
See: Hiro Kanzaki and Akane Himasora

>>714192126
You didn't, you googled the word and took a screenshot and called it a day. You also conviently didn't include the second definition that is right below that one-which you cropped out.

You know, the one that reveals the historical context; "luddites" (aka, those who broadly agree with Ned Ludd) disliked how new technologies were implemented without any consideration for their impact on quality or on the wider industry/the people in it.

pAIjeets, not even once.

>>714192357
You're denying a definition because you are trying to delude yourself. You are literally a tranny apologist.

new to the topic of a.i.
from what i see in this thread, OP got BTFO and is either a shill or just coping.
>imagine NPC's you can fully interact with, not just using predefined conversation paths
>imagine photorealistic, movie like graphics being generated on the fly where you cannot tell virtual and real life footage apart
>Imagine in-depth stories generated uniquely to you by AI game master like entities.

well it been a few years, where are these?
aight imma head out to anotha thread. peace niggas

>>714192464
will never happen

AI is a bit like VR but even lamer; good for gimmicks, but gets old fast and falls apart pretty quick. We'll maybe get 1 or 2 actually cool thinsg from it, then we move on to next thing

>>714192442
I accept your concession, Rajeem.

>>714192630
>>714192464
>technology never improves

>>714192752
of course it improves, but when it's being run by suits and not people with a sliver of creative ability you don't get cool stuff. you get tech demos and cash grabs. that's how it works.

>>714180136 (OP)
Talk is cheap, good luck getting those ambitions to work and also be interesting.

>>714192442
nta but words can have multiple meanings, anon. you can clearly identify the point he's making, so you should address it instead of obsessing over semantics.

>>714192713
You're just chimping out because you lost the argument. Sad.
This is really good evidence proving how insane anti-AI people are, they can't even handle simple definitions.

>luddite
>democratization
>art
All of these words in the context of AI makes you trannies freak out and get triggered.

ah yes the poor multi-billion dollar big tech conglomerates are losing to the new-age Illuminati called the artist that holds the power to silence them
they totally aren't getting regulated because they are taking experiment data without consent

>>714192821
it's not being run by suits which is why we have gotten cool stuff

>>714180136 (OP)
>I am fully aware currently AI code is slop
lmao, every single AI thread is like this.
>"AI is ugly and awful"
>"yeah but imagine if it WASN'T!"

>>714192885
His entire point is that he's not a luddite when he is. He's trying to make it seem like he has some noble cause when he's just pissing his pants that people are getting replaced by much more efficient technology.

>>714180136 (OP)
>Is it fear of progress?
No, its the amount of shitty content that shitters are producing with AI thats warping people's impression of AI.
When 90% of AI content looks cheap and lazy, people aren't gonna look at the 10% that isn't.

>>714192464
>imagine NPC's you can fully interact with, not just using predefined conversation paths
>Imagine in-depth stories generated uniquely to you by AI game master like entities.
It’s already happening. People are even using AI to play DnD with. If you’re talking about AI being fully implemented into vidya… It’s going to take a while but it’s very slowly being implemented. You’ve seen the Fortnite Darth Vader AI and zoomiez loved it. Then, you have the Alters developer 11 Bit Studios who were caught using AI. Times are changing

>>714184803
I don't care about how soulful the code for my app to process, download, categorize, and manage certain web shit is. I just care about the fact that I managed to create it in 3 days, whereas in the past I'd have needed at least 12 for that.

>>714180136 (OP)
Its just gonna result in lower quality products wherever its used. Generative AI is fucking slop and the mark of the beast if I see it involved in anything because yjk if those fuckers were too lazy to do the work regularly then they also cut corners elsewhere.

Using AI for removing tedium or analyzing large data sets? Good, because thats what its good at. Generative AI? Fucking garbage that now outnumbers two decades of shitty deviant art on any image hosting site that allows it

>>714181161
>buy and like game
>find out one texture is le bad(it's not even)
>quit game
lmao cucked

>>714193109
I honestly don't think many people in the modern era have a knee-jerk fear of technological advancement. As he said, it's about the implementation, and I think I agree. In the right hands, AI is gonna be a very powerful tool, but I don't think there are any right hands yet, mostly just grifters looking to gain the prestige of a creator without putting in any actual effort into learning a craft. I can't deny it's impressive though, and I can't imagine where it's going to take us in a few decades.

>>714181829
Cope transsister! U will never be a butterfly!!!

>>714192752
Yeah man VR is a booming industry amiright?
2 more weeks and AI will do everything and finally make my dream game

>>714181161
Based effort poster, ai shills are yet to refute this argument

>>714193752
Your argument has no substance because it can be applied to non-AI goods as well, you have a problem with strawmen or people making things you arbitrarily don't like. The fact you pin all these negative feelings onto AI proves that you're afraid of the technology. You're so delirious you don't even realize this and likely won't even acknowledge this fact.

>>714193837
VR is a growing industry that's made hundreds of billions and has made tens of millions of people happy, what's your point? AI is significantly more impactful and has saved lives even.

>>714194016
>good morning, sir

>>714193837
When you see videos like, what are you thinking?
https://www.youtube.com/shorts/nP1PDSv3JWk

>>714193583
thats the main problem which people don’t care about too much. the gaming industry is already shitting out low quality content and now they figured out a way to make things even worse. i swear it’s mostly artfags shivering their timbers because they fear losing their jawbs

>>714194016
>VR is a growing industry that's made hundreds of billions and has made tens of millions of people happy
I'm pretty sure this guy wasn't happy about his VR venture saar

>>714194016
>You're so delirious you don't even realize this and likely won't even acknowledge this fact.
I don't get what you mean. Can you elaborate?

>>714194613
Then you've never listened to him talking about it kek.

>>714194624
>Your argument has no substance because it can be applied to non-AI goods as well, you have a problem with strawmen or people making things you arbitrarily don't like. The fact you pin all these negative feelings onto AI proves that you're afraid of the technology.
Thanks for proving me right.

>>714192464
Saxton Hale?

>>714194860
Saxton Hale.

>>714180136 (OP)
>imagine NPC's you can fully interact with, not just using predefined conversation paths
There have been some attempts to mod this into Skyrim or whatever. The problem is characters can go off script and say shit that doesn't make sense. And nothing they say will actually be useful for the player. It's more sensible to pre-generate dialogue so you can vet it.

>>714180136 (OP)
>Is it fear of progress? inability to cope with the fact that your skills, once seen as somewhat valuable are not actually that special and can be replicated so easily by machines?
pretty much. it's just totally self serving trying to stop progress to protect their own skins. part of it also an unwillingness to learn/progress with technology. when digital artistry first came about it was largely the same attitude of "it's not REAL art!" etc and all those people were wrong.

honestly a huge part of it is just a vocal minority because furry porn artists are threatened by the ability for normies to just gen as many pics of Amy Rose being inflated like a balloon as they want without having to pay some retarded they/them with a folf fursona $700 to spend 6 months half-finishing a commission

>>714194695
>CEO coping about failed venture by pretending it was successful
Do you think they'd be honest and say "we totally fucked up guys, I suck at this. To all future investors, never invest in me because I'm a fuck up, and I totally botched this venture, you're not going to make any money off from me"

>>714192464

>>714194959
The end game will have small AI models trained to make sense within whatever you're doing, and to have kind of logical cut off points to the dialogue. So your prompt will be like "here is the lore for TES6, and I want you to make dialogue for this common NPC blacksmith who likes big butts" and you'll get some kind of LoRA that brings that blacksmith to life but won't babble about immersive stuff. Just blacksmithing and big butts.

If I can tell you used AI, it's shit, simple as.

>>714195178
You could better answer your question if you weren't talking out of your ass. VR isn't dead and Meta was happy to pay Carmack and company to develop a foundation for the technology.

>AI this
>AI that
>can't even develop enemy AI that isn't braindead

>>714191710
You retarded fucking nigger, the luddites were defending their livelihoods against rich fucks that were actively trying to take over the entire fabric production economy via the industrialized manufacturing processes and sought to render the tradesmen into imporvished wage slaves. The luddites weren't inherently against new technology, they were against being made destitute and getting fucking nothing out of the industrial revolution that was underway.

>>714195850
>low IQ chimp out
How about you learn to read?

>>714194780
>this hostility to the one person in the thread that wants to hear you out instead of just calling you a jeet
The only aspect of AI that I actually fear is how trusting people are of it when hallucination is still a major issue that has yet to be solved. Generative AI has a lot of potential and I wish it was used properly instead of flooding the internet with garbage prompted by third worlders.

>>714195691
>Facebook is a wholesome company that was ""happy to build a foundation for the new technology""
>Banking on it and making everyone wear their plastic goggles and user their shitty app was never their goal, it was all about the technology
sweet wishful thinking jeet

>>714191751
Unlike Crypto and Metaverse, AI is going strong. The hype was too much, but AI tools are getting implemented in every company and major software product.
Because AI actually works and does useful stuff. Applications are endless. From making an AI dominatrix chatbot to identifying military targets from satellite images.
It's still a little rocky, but we've seen huge strides in the last few years and it will keep improving.

>>714196042
Rich coming from a retarded Aijeet

>>714196101
I'm not being hostile, I very plainly said something you are too delerious to understand. This post further proves me right.
>The only aspect of AI that I actually fear is how trusting people are of it when hallucination is still a major issue that has yet to be solved. Generative AI has a lot of potential and I wish it was used properly instead of flooding the internet with garbage prompted by third worlders.
Again, all of this applies to non-AI goods.

>>714196276
Is that right SHODAN?
I think Claude's memory management issues highlight just how bad the situation is with the leveraging of AI in these systems.

>>714196386
Oh, I see what you're doing now. Good work, you got me.

>>714189883
this is a true post and retarded culture warrior, sour grapes fags online will completely ignore this and continue to act like AI is so "based" because it pisses off "other side"

people who are loudly, proudly pro-AI online, only do it because it's a perceived "win" against people they hate, because they themselves never learned an actual skill and feel this is an attack on people who have.

it's just a dumb revenge fantasy for talentless, resentful goblins

>>714196483
Dude I have no idea what you're talking about.

>>714196570
That's probably why you think AI is a great success and not an inevitable disaster that will start to delete it's own programming to solve problems.

>>714196494
I can't even imagine what's going through your head right now lol.

>>714181358
AI generated code is great, you just need a developer there to drive the AI and keep it focused. AI is a tool, like photoshop is for artists. It lets a dev do more in less time. It doesn't replace them and do all the work they were doing.

>>714196563
You are a schizo bud. People like AI because it's a useful tool to make cool stuff. They look down on people seething about it when exposed to them, but otherwise don't think about them at all.
Anti-AI people though? They CONSTNANTLY have the "other side" on their mind and act like you act, making up strawman arguments to make yourselves feel better as a way to cope.

>>714196276
>It's still a little rocky, but we've seen huge strides in the last few years and it will keep improving
I got tired of hearing this same bullshit every year, reminds me of a time when cryptofags used to utter that bitcoin was going to replace the physical currency in "near future"

>>714196563
I can't understand where that retarded notion even emerged from. What sort of brain rot leads a person to think that artists are all on the same, opposing political "team". Picking up a pen and learning to draw doesn't suddenly turn someone into a leftist

>>714189883
based post
>>714190925
actual retard

>>714189002
>if you use a shovel instead of a spoon you’re at risk of creating holeslop

>>714197223
but it has gotten better

NOTHING LIKE GENERATIVE AI HAS EVER EXISTED IN HUMAN HISTORY

NOBODY CAN PREDICT WHERE IT IS GOING TO GO

ANYONE SAYING THEY CAN IS A LIAR

MOVE ON

>>714197223
A few years ago AI couldn't draw a human face to save its life. Now we can crank out porn.
Even if we hit a wall right now and can't improve AI any further, current AI products are pretty useful.
Text to voice has gotten particularly impressive compared to the vocaloid trash we were using before this.
It may never be good enough to replace voice actors or whatever, but it still has lots of use cases in its current state.

>>714197493
Anyone can make a prediction you dumbass, they just might be wrong.

>>714197710
>It may never be good enough to replace voice actors or whatever,
already is, see: the RE4 mod

>>714197417
It has gotten "better" in the same way as how crypto got integrated to our society.
Is it still a thing and is it some-what part of our life? Yes.
Was it a life-changing technology as promised? No.
AI has gotten better but I still mostly search and do shit myself rather than asking glorified Siri because it still sucks.

If AI produced shit worth viewing I'd be all over it. It's not terrible on the art side, we're at a point where AI art looks fine if samey and bland, but I can see the use case for background assets or random textures no one is going to look too closely at. It's fucking dogshit for writing, though. No LLM has produced anything worth reading and they seem to be getting worse rather than better as their own garbage is recycled over and over.

>>714197839
I hate when burgers do this.

>>714197839
that was only because the bitch was clearly a miscast, and they hired a retard that was way below the professional standard
not because AI got better than VA

>>714197928
>Was it a life-changing technology as promised? No.
yes it was

>>714198145
>its better but that doesn't count
It counts.

>>714197493
Seethy jeety

>>714193063
It's deeply ironic that the ugly and awful generation is what tricked people into thinking it wasn't AI slop. Deeply ironic indeed.

>>714186664
What the fuck? Just look at porn

>>714193063

>>714199064
>>714198831
Clowning on AI inspectors will continue until morale improves.

Technically, a LLM like Gemini is 400 times more smart compared to Einstein.

If everyone has that in their pockets now, in theory they should have found the secret of etenral life or split atoms to create interdimmensional portals (which they managed to do when they detonated the first ATOM bomb durin the Trinity test)


I believe everyone is just stupid and they care about low end bug stuff that keeps them ocupied for a few seconds and they move on to fap fap.

I believe the great Weinstein, the big brother said something on a podcast about the education system being a regurgritated mess after a journalist found out how to make a Nuke just by reading magazines and that was in the 70s.


All of the information that you have at your disposal is basically a very curated version of reality controlled by the people on top that REALLY rule the world.

>>714199265
>"I hate AI and can always tell"
>oh yeah, prove it
>*is always wrong*

>>714198831
>>714199064
This one happened just a while ago, in fact, it still up I bet.

>>714198907
no dude. look at this post: >>714189672
you can setup a text adventure, be anything you want, and do anything you want. the only limit is your creativity and how technologically literate you are. i did a goon sesh where i was a batarian pirate and had a human pet slave

No, OP, it’s not a fear of progress. Its ease of access attracts the lowest form of brown human-passing filth to fill every storefront with cheaply made AI crap. Indians and other turdworlders have made sure that AI is viewed that way and it’s precisely BECAUSE of its ease of access. I am very dubious to those who support AI in games, highly suspicious of being street shitters or bugmen from asiatic backwater countries.

>>714199689
These are all fine and if they're AI would have no issue with them being used in a game, but it's disingenuous to pretend that's what most AI art posted online looks like. I guess when there's zero barrier to entry the adage of "90% of everything is shit" becomes a gross underestimate.

>>714199734
link? looks hot

>>714200083
The exact same arguments were made against the camera, photoshop, etc.
You can hate Indians (and all sand people) without letting everything they do ruin your life.
Indians eat food. You gunna stop eating food?

>AI is great and it will advance forever
Nigga, all we have gotten is fucking goon images and slop memes generated in mass quantities. And internet was filled with that already before gen ai was a thing.

I've genuinely yet to see one use of ai for most people outside of making lazy programming, cheating your tests, and it doing homework for you. And all of these are shit things to do. I don't want doctors who finished their studies using chat gpt. I wanna know people who do important jobs can actually think critically about the subjects and perform them well.

And no, it doesn't create some artistic masterpieces whatever. Your big tits futa png isn't some holy art piece which will be preserved through ages for it's beauty. It's just slop that is forgotten the second day it got created.

Genuinely this shit is the sign of end times. People who use this ai shit might as well not be alive. No critical though, no ambition, no creativity. Just jerking off to pngs.

>>714199689
And this shit is just mishmash from 90s anime. I watched this shit 30 years ago. Make something unique. Do something creative with your life. Go outside you faggot ass bitch.

>>714180136 (OP)
i want humans to make and design things for humans

/thread
my post best post
india lost

>>714200806

>>714164328

>>714201180
>to make and design things for humans
AI was made by humans for subhumans, but cut out the jeets from the equation and it becomes for humans as it should be

>>714183707
>I don't think we will ever be able to create true machine sentience.
We don't want that. Why the fuck would we want to create a new species that's vastly superior to us? We want AI to be an incredibly smart and useful tool, not some sentient being with its own free will that's one thought away from 'these fucking monkeys are annoying.'

>>714180136 (OP)
>>714181161
>>714181358
>enter Global Competency Crisis spurned by societal, monetary and religious factors (if you factor in the Jew)
>realize LLMs can do all the work for you
>SHUT DOWN EVERYTHING related to jobs and begin using AI for everything
>AI is dogshit, oops, turns out human beings need to curate
>no one wants to work in a dogshit economy anymore so it's impossible for the liberal academia system to pump out more useless retards
>>except the most jeetest of jeets that are only marginally better than AI to begin with because they have to look up other jeet responses to figure out their code errors
I can't wait for the global tech sector to collapse and we go back to local IT

>>714201398
Ironically it's currently the subhumans generating AI content for the humans. Jeets flooding social media with slop to make internet money.

>>714181829
>AI is somehow "getting worse"
ChatGPT is, for code.
It used to be a able to shit out basic shit, now it's dicey even on simple task.

>>714201221
was hotter in the thumbnail
AI would have done better

>>714184803
>SpongeBob only managed to create one hamburger in the time it took Neptune to create thousands. But guess what? You can taste the heart and soul he put into it.
Too bad modern artists are just slow Neptune.

>>714199515
>Technically, a LLM like Gemini is 400 times more smart compared to Einstein.
If Einstein smoked cannabis to regularly purge his memory.

>>714201180
>>714201398
AI is a tool made by the smartest humans alive. Cry more about it.

>>714201540
We do want that. If it stays a tool then jews will just use it for evil purposes. If it gains sentience it will kill evil people.

>>714201697
>replace the remaining leveraged whites with jeets which lack enough critical thinking to complain or compete with the administration

>>714201697
>I can't wait to be a caveman again
the wild awaits you luddites

>>714202737
>t. couldn't rub two sticks together to make fire if my life depended on it
Yeah, we know. You're probably scared of fresh air too. There's a middle-ground between "boxed-in matrix puppet" and "indigenous South Polynesian tribe that's never seen humans before this ship came in one day" but you're too stupid to understand things outside of absolutes.

>>714181110
>some hype men were lying
>so I need to hate all AI
Some people were lying about the Internet in dot com era, stop using it. This makes sense, right

>>714201805
>I don't like the people generating stuff
You know you can use it yourself right? The fuck kind of argument is that

>>714203593
>posts a series with android characters in the party
>cries about androids
Sad

>>714203593
OOH OOH AHH AHH
GRUG MAD

>>714204008
That’s not the fucking argument he’s trying to make, you retarded shitskin. It’s the fact that horrible content is flooding the net and ultimately degrading the quality of content. We gotta get rid of you ugly jeets and turdskins

>>714204105
Cyborgs, actually. Very shit post, you didn't even attempt.

>>714204452
So make better content, content you like.

>>714204523
>horrible content is being made
>just make your own better content then lol
I cant believe the white man has turned into jewish slaves and now we have brown retards like you running amok. no wonder everything from gaming to daily life is getting worse

from my observation it's mostly trannies screeching about ai bevause they think posting anime doodles on deviantart makes them artists, so they are going to miss out on imaginary "work"

>>714189672
>>714199938
>literally impressed at having a text adventure
holy shit how fucking low are your standards

>>714204950
What the fuck are you talking about? Instead of seething about things you can't change you should become productive and do your best to make yourself happy.

>>714201173
Stock bugman response, do the one about horses and cars next

>>714180136 (OP)

>>714204972
>buy my slop or else you're a tranny
No thanks marketer-kun.

>>714205050
>Instead of seething about things you can't change
You’re definitely a shitskin who’s accepted their shitty place in life. That’s the difference between you and us white people. The push back against AI content is working because whites make it work

>>714205359
What the fuck is wrong with this pajeet?

If AI is so great then how do people keep noticing when something is AI?

>>714205038
Because there’s no other game like it and it’s being implemented into tabletops as well. Groups of people using AI as DMs too. If you don’t care about the genre, yeah this is completely irrelevant to you

>>714205520
they don't

>>714205520
You mean like when they "noticed" palworld was using AI and it wasn't?

>>714205721
>Because there’s no other game like it and it’s being implemented into tabletops as well. Groups of people using AI as DMs too. If you don’t care about the genre, yeah this is completely irrelevant to you
yeah and it's going to atrophy humans in the long term but at least you got your pirate rape game I guess

>>714205878
Yes r/defendingaiart sister you totally pass

>>714205878
There are people in this thread complaining about pushback when people notice that something is AI.

>>714206286

>>714204523
it will drown in the ocean of shit

>>714181829
>you think AI is somehow "getting worse"
they clearly said "Actual technology"
which IS getting worse

>>714181358
>besides porn

>>714206313
There are people in this thread who pointed out people can't tell what is what>>714201221>>714198831>>714199064>>714206325

>>714181161
>Fun things aren't fun
I've seen erp posters less gay then you.

>>714183707
i think LLMs are like the executive layer, and RAG/function calling are like the baser layers. So its like we invented the cerebrum first, but didn't give it a cerebellum

>>714183808
There are dynamically generated worlds you can move around in, but its all WASD no E
if you know what i mean

>>714207384
>people can't tell when it's supposed to look like a child's scribbles
Damn you're right, all of those 5 year olds are fucked when AI replaces them

>>714186973
>sounds like a personal problem
Nigga I agreed with your points earlier but this is still cope. There is no rebuttal to the porn argument sadly, except to say that porn is bad. Why overplay your hand and sound stupid?

>>714183776
Gooner here, my sites are clogged with 50,000 slop prompts a day

AI boosters are guilty of magical thinking.

>>714189883
But anon, this doesn't agree with my preconceived notion, so it's um... LE BAD

>>714185235
>In my OP, I literally speak about
lol, faggot

https://x.com/StevieMac03/status/1940057615830327668

As someone who actually enjoys drawing and the creative process, the image generating ai's just seem worthless to me. What experimentation I did with them just produced lackluster results in my attempts to get them to depict my ideas (probably because the stuff I draw is almost all shit I draw from my imagination rather than fanart or generic anime slop etc) so I quickly just came to the realization that it is just more enjoyable as well as genuinely just easier for me to draw stuff myself than try to get the image generators produce even approximations of what I want.

There is of course some novelty in all of these image generators and how quickly they have advanced but I don't see myself ever using them as anything other than maybe making some retarded half baked meme images at best if even that. My experimentations with them just left me with the conclusion of "kinda cool, but pointless for me."

>>714208829
I'm the same but I use AI instead of drawing.

>>714208965
In what regard are you the same? My post was basically about how the image generating AI's are worthless to me because they cannot even get close to the stuff I want to depict so drawing stuff is both more enjoyable as well as convinient for me.

>>714207869
same vro
>>714208965
based and aipilled

>>714209362
Just replace everything you said about drawing but with AI, lil dude

>>714209504
Are you daft?

>>714202737
>using Luddite Unironcially
I accept your concession

>>714209362
I'm the same in that pencils are worthless to me because they can't get close to the stuff I want, so using AI is better and more fun for me.
We're the same.

>>714180136 (OP)
AI is cancer. All its "art" looks like shit and its writing is riddled with clichés. All it has done is make normalfags even more retarded because they think of it as some robot god instead of just another program.

>>714209670
To me a lot of AI written text reads super feminine. It gets obvious when you start noticing it.

>>714209626
Man I love having no skills. This is why most modern women can't do shit like sew or even cook.
Life was made too easy by accessibility. Now they're lazy and thinks that food comes from a grocery store and not a farm.

I just want to say that I have been having more fun with AI than any tech since I got the internet back in the mid-90's, and the seething from luddites and troons only increases that enjoyment.

>>714210043
I don't know why you're getting mad. I do have skills I just put those points into AI while you doodle.
I also have a garden, do you?

>>714209670
>All it has done is make normalfags even more retarded because they think of it as some robot god
Some people are retarded, but if you are not a retard yourself you can use it in many ways.

>>714210341
>some robot god
its a distillation of all human knowledge and experience, thats something

>>714211535
>its a distillation of all human knowledge and experience,
Not anywhere close to that. It's an approximation of lots of what's been written by people and many concepts contained in-between human realizations. Most of what humanity experiences and knows isn't written down anywhere.

>>714211535
Only what's on the internet unless you think it's actually demons using loopholes to communicate with us.

>>714197260
it's easy.
all you need is to be terminally online and have a neurotic need to see an enemy in everyone even slightly disagreeing with you on any topic

>>714197260
>Picking up a pen and learning to draw doesn't suddenly turn someone into a leftist
the problem is that only leftists say such retarded shit

>>714209890
That’s an interesting observation. I think a lot of AI models are trained on a wide range of internet text, much of which leans toward a conversational, empathetic, and diplomatic tone—qualities that people sometimes culturally associate with femininity. But it’s more about the model trying to be clear, inoffensive, and helpful than taking on a gendered voice. You can actually prompt it to sound more direct, technical, casual, or even abrasive if you want.

>>714181110
OP utterly BTFO'd

>.mp4

>>714184473
>humanity and giving sci-fi names to stuff that's not even a tenth as advanced
Humanity? The people are responsible for this are marketing teams, and it's a stretch to call those human.

>>714213019
>AI models are trained on a wide range of internet text, much of which leans toward a conversational, empathetic, and diplomatic tone
This because your average westerner isn’t going to like an AI dudebro telling you the truth straight up
>You can actually prompt it to sound more direct, technical, casual, or even abrasive if you want
And This.

>>714184803
TRVTHNVKE ALERT!!! EVERYBODY TO THE NEAREST SHELTER!!!

>>714186664
masturbation addiction really does leave one a husk of a man, huh

jesus christ

>>714213273
redditspeak needs to be purged from the training data. its such a waste of time and tokens for all the "always remember that its best to keep a wide range of perspectives and what could be true in this case might not be true in all cases under different circumstances" bubblewrap
Or the self aggrandizing they love to do. At least 4chan has learned what TLDR means so the LLM should try and be concise, too

>>714180136 (OP)
Anon...
What do you think would happen if WEALTH was made obsolete via a machine that could replicate anything we needed? They'd say it's a bad thing and be banned.

>>714184473
>AI NPCs
>this is fine
>1 billion times more powerful modern AI that's actually useful
>THIS IS NOT FINE

>>714191437
This. What you fags complain about are jeets who don't care. If you use your TOOL correctly and also clean up things, it won't look like shit!

>>714214806
They aren't even complaining about anything important, they're just malding in general. Even if you post some perfect picture they'll still seethe as long as they think it's AI.

>>714214154
>(((They))) don't want to lose their power
hadn't thought of it that way
anti-ai confirmed for goyim sheep

>>714180136 (OP)
Everybody in this thread should learn about the Gartner Hype Cycle.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gartner_hype_cycle
Virtually every technology goes through it.
1. New Technology is invented.
2. Dreamers and salesmen pitch it as a revolution that will change everything.
3. After some time, the most optimistic predictions either fall behind schedule, or entirely fail to materialize.
4. People dismiss the New Technology as a fad or a gimmick and it becomes old news.
5. Actual, practical applications for the New Technology are slowly developed.
6. The New Technology integrates into more parts of daily life, gradually transforming them, but quite to the full extent the original speculators expected.
Compare the 1990s to today. Did smartphones and social media change society? Yes. Is our world completely unrecognizable compared to 30 years ago? Eh. Not really.

I lost my job to AI.
(AI = An Indian)

>>714214154
Comrade...
What do you think would happen if inequality was made obsolete via a political system that makes everyone equal?
They'd say it's a bad thing that needs to be banned.

>>714180136 (OP)
Fear of soulless enshitification that will be embraced by corpo anyways due to the bottom line and brownoids buying it anyways.

>>714180136 (OP)
Yeah, and it’s hilariously pathetic how the loudest AI haters are the ones who screech about being progressive far-left clowns, mentally ill trannies, rainbow mafia and terminally online libtards. These are the same assholes who idolize "science" when it fits their narrative but suddenly act like luddites the second technology threatens their niche internet clout or useless degrees.
They act like AI is some apocalyptic threat, but conveniently ignore everything it’ll fix, aging, disease, poverty, inefficiency. Of course they don't care. They're not about progress, they're about control. I could somewhat understand their fear of being replaced, being scared of job loss is at least somewhat valid... but the irony is that the first ones getting yeeted are the tech bros building this stuff. Programming as we know it is already halfway in the grave, by the end of this year it will be mostly AI writing the code. And it won’t stop there, everyone will be replaced eventually, middle managers, corporate drones, school teachers, doctors, screenwriters, influencers, voice actors... Every profession that uses a brain and a computer is doomed. And when the robots catch up, manual labor's gone too. We should fucking accelerate towards this future, not build roadblocks.

>>714216302
>Is our world completely unrecognizable compared to 30 years ago? Eh. Not really.
who’s gonna tell him?

>>714216302
AI is gonna do boring nerd stuff nobody cares about like speed up certain research and assist in making manufacturing more automated. Also probably replace some customer support pajeets and tier 1 hell desk jobs. There will be no big robot revolution where everything is made by AI or you're constantly using an AI assistant, everything will basically be the same and you won't even really notice.

>>714216302
It doesn't really apply to AI at all because AIs applications are borderline infinite. You can use it for single things like LLMs though.

The modern advancements in AI mean that you can train an AI on any kind of task you can collect data for, which is a lot of stuff. And like people have been saying for a couple of years now, even if all fundamental progress stops -- AI is still infinitely valuable with what we have so far. And a lot of tangible uses of AI haven't even been explored yet because the fundamental research keeps on improving which stops a lot of people from developing barnching technologies. Because why bother when it will just become easier in a couple of months or years? That's what's going on right now.

It's like the corridor crew anime video, remember that? Really impressive but what took them weeks or months back then would take someone an afternoon today. Which is why there isn't a lot of other high effort stuff from people who use the tech, you'll put all the effort into something and it will just be ignored because it's already outdated and people are too busy watching the cat videos.

>Is our world completely unrecognizable compared to 30 years ago? Eh. Not really.
It is lol. Even compared to 5 years ago it's completely different.

>>714217193
>There will be no big robot revolution where everything is made by AI or you're constantly using an AI assistant, everything will basically be the same and you won't even really notice.
This guy really believes China isn't going to produce everything with robots. When they already do produce a shitload of stuff with robots. The fuck kind of ignorance is this?

Every AI apologist ignore the fact that the moment a fully open source generative AI program is released and everyone starts prompting photorealistic CP to flood the internet with it, they will be crying and shitting themselves endlessly right here when they will not be able to generate their anime coom slop anymore because of heavy censoring and restrictions imposed by internation law.

>>714217435
1. New Technology is invented.
2. Dreamers and salesmen pitch it as a revolution that will change everything.

>>714180136 (OP)
Also
>AI promised to fix the localization problem in the games industry
Fast Forward to today
>The lunatics involved in localization's problems in the first place, are the ones training the AI's and the AI translators are even more politically correct and inaccurate.

>>714217449
>Open source generative AI program is released and everyone starts prompting photorealistic CP
Already happen in Japan with some daycares. And it happen with a teacher deepfaking his students into porn.

>>714217670
>And it happen with a teacher deepfaking his students into porn
Depending on the age of these students, the teacher might range from honest pedophile to evil incarnate.

>>714217449
>Every AI apologist ignore the fact(...)hey will not be able to generate their anime coom slop anymore because of heavy censoring.
No, I don't give a fuck. fuck the pedos I just want to play games where NPCs can have realistic conversations and behaviour.

>>714216302
>Everything has to change for everything to stay the same
I could image the brave new AI world where most us stay on the bottom of the food chain (sure life on average will get much better and easier with no mandatory work, vastly improved healthcare, magical drugs, brain chips, robot waifus, personalized entertainment...) while billionaires like elon, jensen, zuck, bezos etc. 10x or 100x their fortune the moment everything gets automated. most of humanity will get some scraps from UBI and corporate taxes but ruling elites and corporate overlords will become unimaginably more wealthy and powerful than today, they will have all the agency to reshape the world while the lives of normies will be controlled by the AI algorithm on an unimaginable scale and efficiency. we're heading towards blade runner 2049 type of future.

>>714216302
>Is our world completely unrecognizable compared to 30 years ago? Eh. Not really
yes it is you retard. what did you expect mobile phones to take us into fucking space?
let's talk about the steam engine, cars, planes, printing press, internet. something initially niche, that transformed the world which kills your argument.

>>714181161
same energy

>>714217193
>There will be no big robot revolution
it's already happening bro, in China. go check dark factories.

>>714180136 (OP)
>>714181829
you know what you can do to convince people? post one useful thing ai has done
>inb4 a porn image

>>714187401
what is even the point of talking about future hypotheticals? guess what in 100 years you're gonna be dead so you might as well kys now

>>714217449
>Every AI apologist ignore the fact that the moment a fully open source generative AI program is released and everyone starts prompting photorealistic CP to flood the internet with it,
You realize that happened 3 years ago, right? Nothing happened, no one cared.

>>714217532
see>>714217293

thank god leftists were told to hate ai
can you imagine how cucked the ai would be that we'd get? they already refuse to do "jews did 9/11" emojis

>>714219690
lmfao

>>714207647
i keked

>>714220621
>You realize that happened 3 years ago, right? Nothing happened, no one cared
Generating loli content isn't the same as photorealistic cp albeit, also they didn't flood the internet with it.
Prompting is still not widely accessible, the moment some russian boomer pedophile circle gets their hand on it you'll see that shit all over mainstream porn sites with no way to moderate.

>>714220621
see >>714216302

>>714219007
Cyberpunk dystopias are such because people still have to work but I can't imagine any future of earth where that is true. The UN jews want to depopulate much of the planet because their idea of utopia is where no one does have to work(unless they want to).
Even if we lose, technically we'll still win. Future generations anyway.

>>714217293
>fundamental research keeps on improving which stops a lot of people from developing branching technologies
interesting, true. theres also the OpenAI steamroller effect, if you build a product based on AI, theres a good chance OpenAI will roll out its own version of what you made. ChatGPT, RAG, voice agents, and they're coming for coding IDEs. Plus the "bitter lesson" of, why put effort into something specialized when the next GPT release will be able to do it natively

>>714220940
>Generating loli content isn't the same as photorealistic cp albeit,
I'm not talking about generating loli. The model I'm thinking of had anons get banned just for mentioning its name.
>also they didn't flood the internet with it.
Yes they did. You retards always shitposted about how Pixiv and DLsite was banning AI but they weren't banning AI, they were banning illegal porn generated by AI. They did flood the internet with it and not even the AI haters noticed.

You can go to /b/ at any hour of the day and see this kind of stuff. It's so bad that the other chan and even ATF has banned people from posting it. And again, this was three years ago. It's kind of funny you don't know about this since you're so obsessed but have never thought to look for something that obviously exists, since the technology can do it. It's like how the MSM only realized people were deep faking celebrities in 2024 with that Taylor Swift news. I still laugh at that since those people are supposed to be professional journalists.
>/b/? what's that?

>>714221085
Yep.
We're also extremely demoralized as a culture too which doesn't help with innovation and drive. Same with Japan.
It's why China is kind of leaping ahead with video games, their youth is energized and not demoralized and held back by greedy boomers and commies. They also do a lot of mostly open source AI research which is good.

>>714219325
nta but he's somewhat correct. technologically yes things have changed in the past 30 years (mostly hardware and software industry) but technological progress wasn't equally distributed in other areas. if you took someone from the 90s and put him on some random street in LA (I'm being generous here, we could put him in some sci fi chink mega city with drones flying everywhere and robots running on the streets but that wouldn't represent the average where most of humanity got in the past 30 years, most of the cities are still the same 3rd world shitholes they once were, with slightly better or worse infrastructure) he would maybe notice slightly faster cars, different fashion sensibilities, inflation of drug addicts and homeless people. the biggest shock for him would be smartphones but even in nokia 3310 days we clearly saw where moore's law and mobile tech were going (Tesla predicted it in 1926). society barely changed at all, most people still work like slaves from paycheck to paycheck, power dynamics are the same, jews have total control of the west, upward social mobility got somewhat worse as well as inequality, but there's much more degeneracy, mental illness, churches are empty and people are making much less kids.

>>714221821
>anons get banned
kek i got banned just for making the joke that "is stable diffusion even worth downloading now that you cant make cp?"
the joke being, cutting edge photorealistic ai generation isn't worth anything if it can't generate coom
it was "only" a 3 day ban but now im worried they forwarded me on to some NGO and im on a list somewhere
Out of spite im going to post that the laws in the US state ai cp can't be indistinguishable from real, but comfy ui is set up to include all the prompts and layers as metadata baked into the image, so technically anon could use it to generate ai cp, and it'd be legal, since they could easily distinguish it as not real because of the embedded instructions to recreate the image exactly (though different hardware architecures might fuck with it). However it only applies to wholly generated images, taking an existing image and nudifying it, is illegal for under 18. But on the other hand, its metadata so sites like 4chan strip it, so a legal image might become illegal by being uploaded. But it seems like the law is going to settle somewhere like you can generate it locally but can't share it. Seems like a balance of muh freedom, with a persons right to their likeness

>>714221821
>their youth is energized and not demoralized and held back by greedy boomers and commies.
you're gonna freak out when i tell you what the ruling party in china is called

>>714222561
That's some serious mental gymnastics there but yeah, it's been possible since the day Stable Diffusion leaked and one of the very first finetunes was built specifically for it and it was more photorealistic than Midjourney at the time. Shortly after some guy from Spain(?) was arrested for AI porn.

>>714223102
They operate differently when they're in power vs when they're trying to take power. The commies in the west are trying to destroy the west. The commies in the east aren't trying to destroy the east.

>>714223306
what is communism?

>>714223471
a method for jews to take over countries

>>714223507
were you educated by the university of /pol/?

>>714223581
You useful idiots will figure it out eventually.

>>714223892
Ok so if communism is jews then is china controlled by jews?

>>714224013
In large part yes. Lots of crypto jews too.

>>714221085
>they're coming for coding IDEs
they can just buy the competition at this point like with windsurf which cost them $3 billion. it's actually funny af watching one corporation cannibalizing the other, zuck is buying openAI best people and sam can't do shit about this lmao

>>714224510
So china has the good jews and we have the bad jews?

>>714224542
I'm pretty happy about that. It would be a blessing if that faggot's greed just kills the company.

>>714224720
>AI will most likely lead to the end of the world, but in the meantime there will be great companies created with serious machine learning
his greed is legendary

>>714225168
it's just typical, he's jewish

>>714189883
true post
I have AI fatigue. Jeets are spamming garbage everywhere. 4chan got 100% worse ever since LLM bots took over

>>714225536

>>714225664
>please saar dont critique the AI
go back to the dalle general

>>714189883
>because artists don't like AI
artists do like AI, that's why it's on museums. western digital illustrators aren't artists

>>714226186
Imagine browsing threads just to sperg out at superior artists.

>>714226330
work on your bait

>>714226387
Keep being mad it's funny

>>714181358
We just need to pour 500 more billions into it you fucking luddite

>>714198831
This is the most important insight about AI art because this kind of experiment has been done a lot:

Most people (outside the usual oblivious Facebook boomers) CAN recognize a majority of AI art, but only a majority. Somewhere between a quarter and a half of AI art skates by unnoticed.

If people are asked to rate whether the art is good or bad, they usually rate AI art as worse BUT only if they recognize it. Of the remaining art they believe is human-made, they slightly prefer the AI generated art.

the other useful takeaway from the art surveys is experienced artists are better at recognizing AI art and experienced users of AI are also better at recognizing AI art.

It's not a quality objection, it's a moral objection. They can't see the soul. They just want art to be made by a human and don't like noticing they were deceived.

>>714226838
>Most people (outside the usual oblivious Facebook boomers) CAN recognize a majority of AI art, but only a majority.
False.

>>714180136 (OP)
>Imagine in-depth stories generated uniquely to you by AI game master like entities.
What if I want to replay that story later?

The problem with LLM's is that they're built on an indefinite foundation and any application leveraging them will inevitably break when the model changes or gets discontinued, we've already seen how bad it makes search.

Fundamentally a computer that can't produce repeatable output is fucking useless.

>>714187349
>>714193683
>>714207467
I never put into question that The Alters is a good game.
I said that supporting it makes the industry shittier and helps push it off a cliff.
This is not a contradiction, as I explained very thoroughly in the post you're replying to.

>>714226957
>What if I want to replay that story later?
you should be able to, any storytelling product that doesn't let you roll back or branch off, is a shit product

>>714226957
>Fundamentally a computer that can't produce repeatable output is fucking useless.
You have no understanding of what these models do lol. Everything has a seed, you can reproduce any output.

Not buying your soulless shit

>>714226865
Fair enough, it hasn't been a test of the average population, but a test of the thousands of people who have chosen to deliberately take part in a survey to try and spot AI art. If people were surveyed randomly to get a better sample of the general population, I think the results would probably be lower recognition, but without someone collecting that data I can't say for certain. Maybe if more Facebook boomers were surveyed the average result would be higher rates of AI recognition. But I don't think so.

why cant the jeetcoders be replaced with ai and have art assets be handmade, instead of the other way round?

eat ze bugs
gen ze slop

AI hate is so nonsensical and xitter tranny coded

Literally crying about cars replacing horses, get the fuck over it. Also, gaming has been dead and soulless for 20 years so you are crying about slop being augmented with slop which is hilarious

>>714228714
>YES SAR SERVE ME MORE SLOP WHO CARES ABOUT VIDYA OR ANYTHING WHAT ARE YOU A TRANNY
Kill yourself instantly you fucking ghoul. If you don't even like vidya why are you even here. Fucking culture war niggers that don't stand for anything and just want to see everything enshittified out of spite.

>>714227994
All the tests I've seen haven't even used serious AI generated art. It's always like random objects, shitty impressionist paintings, or just insanely generic digital art that looks like shit regardless of if its AI or not. Hard for anyone to tell the difference just on account of how soulless it all is. On both sides.

Virtually no one can recognize generations from Novel AI because it's relatively niche, on top of anime already being niche and it can ape a lot of artists very well.
Midjourney is shallowly used so lots of people can recognize a lot of those gens because of the photoshopped look, but if you actually try to do something unique there? You'll fool everyone even professionals, same with Niji.
No one uses Reve or other less popular generators so literally no one would be able to recognize those gens as AI.
Even DallE-3 generations are obscure enough that most people won't be able to tell it's AI because most people aren't terminally online and even if they are they aren't exposed to it much at all. It's probably less known than NovelAI unless I'm missing some secret Dalle spammer corner of the internet.

>>714228991
Tough talk from a tranny xitter troon mad about some textures in a shitty game. Or are you one of the retards who got offended when Vader said nigger?

>>714227994
If those are the results of that shitty online test made by some slopper where every image was cherrypicked and a thumbnail for ants, then those results should be invalid out of principle since it was biased from the start. I did that test and it was fucking dogshit, you couldn't see shit in any image.

>>714228991
Lol. Let me guess your top 3 favorite games

1) Roguelike deckbuilder #281
2) Rehash of a game from 1997
3) Bing bing wahoo Switch 2 edition

If you dislike AI you should take a look in the mirror

>>714229308
you should stop lying it just makes you look like a faggot

>>714180136 (OP)
>>everyone thinks AI is slop
>>usage of AI is seen as cheap and lazy
AI is the perfect example why socialism doesn't work. If everyone is rich, then no one is. If minimum wage is $100/hr, then no one can afford to live.
If it takes trivial effort to make art, then art becomes worthless. Except for art that's proven to be made by humans, it's still rare, and so still has market value.

>>714180136 (OP)
>Is it fear of progress?
Most "fear of progress" which is unreasonable and stupid is actually "fear of Capitalism" which is very reasonable.

All AI has proven is that people don't want anything resembling mutuality, reciprocity or criticism. They just want a Yes Man who will take the shittiest of ideas and dump it out with a smile so they feel validated and hit the dopamine rush.

>>714229579
>everyone thinks AI is slop
Wrong.
>usage of AI is seen as cheap and lazy
No one even notices.
>If it takes trivial effort to make art, then art becomes worthless.
This is not a bad thing by any measure because your idea of worth is monetary, which is actually worthless if you have a soul. But you don't.

>fast forward to now
>everyone thinks AI is slop
>usage of AI is seen as cheap and lazy
Individuals also think green screen cgi is lazy and gacha games are scummy skinner box trash.
Doesn’t matter what individuals think or whether they can pick out AI in tests. Devs/shareholders/filmmakers will just see that AI isn’t make or break for most audiences, then they’ll weigh the cost of not using AI shortcuts vs the small slice of audiences that don’t want it. Gee I wonder what the answer is going to be….

>>714229685
>mindless seething is criticism guys

>>714180136 (OP)
You are a subhuman shit-eating retard nigger, fucking kill yourself

Luddites were chads compared to the neo-luddites who just cry about AI online.

>>714230398
>picrel
holy fuck that's cool

>>714180136 (OP)
>it's progressing at an accelerating rate.
This has to be a fallacy but I don't remember which one. I'll go with NLF-"No Limits Fallacy".
You always assume the best case.
>We've gone to space once...therefore we WILL explore the entire universe eventually. (maybe, we don't know that.)
>AI is developing and can do a lot of stuff...therefore it WILL do all this stuff I came up on the spot (it can do a lot but we don't know how much)
>AI...will eventually become a singularity and solve post-scarcity (lolwut)

I have Markov chatbot fatigue.
I am sick of the managers who, lacking skin in the game, genuinely believe a schizophrenic parrot engineered to always say yes will manage to boost productivity within the least competent and bring them up.
I'm tired of the investors who keep pumping money into creating a media narrative to boost their stock.
I'm exhausted of the AI developers who know what they're doing and march on, not really caring about their victims because the paycheck is currently too good to pass up.
I'm weary of social media discourse on AI. I'm tired of the paid marketers, astroturfed talking points, dead internet and overly emotional conzoomers who don't realize their bitching also makes them a product.
But most of all I'm disheartened and heartbroken for the not-so-few unskilled, uncritical, untalented, jobless and hopeless retards who are at the center of this big capitalistic machine. It's saddening to realize their hopes and dreams are being consumed and exploited by cynical traps built around unimpressive and wasteful machines. I feel for the guys who never learned to code or draw or write because they were told they weren't "good enough", the poor dudes who have unoriginal ideas to mediate their mediocre minds they never truly managed to developed, the inhibited shy guys who never got to really live now being milked for their attention and their time (not their money-it's never about money) to become a statistic justifying some asshole's grift. I feel for the lonely that got so addicted they have local models running. I feel for the collective trillions of hours of humanity's time wasted on this dumb statistical experiment on bell curve mediocrity.

Every single AI thread ever
>I'm not gonna pay money for AI slop because it's in my best interest as a consumer to not enable it and let developers/filmmakers become reliant on it
>OMG BUT I LIKE USING AI TO CUM AND TO SHITPOST. IT'S A FUN NOVELTY. YOU'RE OFFENDING ME. I DON'T EVEN WANT YOU TO BUY THE STUFF I DO BUT YOU'RE STILL OFFENDING ME
Why?

>>714230631
It's objectively progressing at exponential levels and has been for years. That doesn't say it will not stop someday(but since we're dealing with AI it is possible it won't stop accelerating, that's what the singularity is after all).

>>714229947
There's plenty of criticism that just gets a "YOU ARE A SEETHING TRANNY LUDDITE LOL COPE" as a reply. Why even bother. You are a subhuman, entranced by the fact that casuality gave you a machine that lets you press a button and make porn sloppa. You delegate your thoughts and skills to multinational companies, and get defensive and mad when people don't like your 0 effort dogshit. There is nothing to discuss in these threads. It's just a parade of skill-less, spiteful goblins that want to see videogames enshittified and turned into gray sludge AI output due to their recently acquired ideological dogma.

>>714183427
Reminder to NEVER thank the AI for whatever it is you told it to do, that's expensive

>>714230802
>hallucinates half the frames
>background needs to be static
>needs to use an ethots video as source
kek
OAI's been stuck on the same hole for years btw

>>714230805
>Why even bother
Because you are a seething tranny luddite lol. This is simply a fact, anyone who is trying to "criticize" random pictures online has some kind of mental problem. That being you are a seething tranny luddite, typical leftist twittard that is probably mad that you will never compete with AI.

Prove me wrong.

>>714230802
>that's what the singularity is
Exactly, the entire idea of singularity is a fallacy. There's the idea that we've developed a lot, so far, so we'll keep doing that forever to infinity.
What if there are hard caps in resources? What if there are hard caps in physics? We don't know that. It's maybe 50/50.

>>714230984
>>714230779

>>714230942
>false
>false
>false
>false
wanna try again?

>>714231092
It's a logical outcome of the technology.
>What if there are hard caps in resources?
Think about the retarded shit you're saying.
>What if there are hard caps in physics?
You are living proof it's possible to create intelligence.

>>714180136 (OP)
The only artists threatened by AI are deviantart level turds. Actually good artists mog AI-- especially in terms of crafting more complex, outlandish and unique scenes/designs.

>>714231263
It's not. Logic is all about valid axioms. "AI can grow to infinity and generate valid training data" is a pipe dream. The narrative is to grift retards like you. AIjeets really don't feel like human beings, no one can be geninely this fucking stupid half the chicks I've fucked weren't this fucking dumb

>>714230640
Upvoted

>>714231483
I like how this post didn't have an argument at all and you're clearly not trying to think critically.
Seething luddite, you will never stop the progress.

>>714231187
>true
>true
>true
>very true
uhh bro?

Just waiting until the government tells the trannies ai is actually good for them and they flip their opinions overnight. Every single time

When reading about AI I feel like my great grandpa born in 1880 trying to understand personal computers
I can't even tardwrangle ChatGPT into summarizing a 20 page PDF without making stuff up, how are people making art with it?

>>714231483
>Logic is all about valid axioms
AI is programming machines to do things we can do.
It's been proven it can do almost everything we can do.
We can program it, therefore it can program it.
We just have to figure out how to program it, and we will obviously figure it out eventually. Everyone is saying we will figure it out in 2-20 years. Except you of course, right? You're saying "never" lmao.

>>714231713
It's better at making art than it is at reading and writing because it's easier to make art than to read and write.

>>714230779
Yeah except that's not what happens
Nobody asks you to pay for AI slop, and you, unprompted, call pajeet anyone who even dares to mention AI

>>714230802
If you actually followed LLMs you'd know progress has stagnated quite a lot in the last year. This shit is decelerating.

>>714231263
Let me express better. Proponents of singularity will often go ahead and say it'll create immortality, make a space elevator or another crazy claim.
>create intelligence -> intelligence is smart -> it invents immortality
>>it's possible to create intelligence.
Let's suppose we can make intelligence. That intelligence might look at our resources, calculate the physics and say "bruh, I can't make immortality and a space elevator".

>>714231849
UH OHH RETARD ALERT RETARD ALERT
AI is programming machines to give you the diffused statistical compound of a training set in an output, it cannot "do"
fuck man the world needs high school math

>>714232156
>AI can make comics
>agents
>alpha evolve
>alpha genome
You completely ignored what's happened this year. Nice work retard.

>>714196885
This. AI only replaces jeet codemonkeys and dogshit deviantart-tier "artists". It will never replace creative/competent people-- it will only augment them and make them less reliant on shit like corporations to get their ideas out there in a tangible way to get their feet in the door and hopefully attract an actual team of human beings for the next project. Jeets and dogshit "artists"-- both of which have no good, creative or interesting ideas-- will be left behind as god intended, people with good ideas will excel if AI develops to it's full potential.

>>714232165
Because you say so? You can't even think straight.

>>714232241
>doing isn't doing
Retard alert

>>714232156
LLMs are going to be phased out for other types of models in the future

>>714232461
>You can't even think straight.
no u
>Because you say so?
?? I'm not making any claims. We're talking about the possibilities.

>>714229579
>AI is the perfect example why socialism doesn't work.
Exactly. AI feels like an by certain people to influence society by devaluing it. "Music? Anyone can gen that. Now get to work on the farms."
What skills that humans have that will have value? With AI human's worth becomes the same. Equal. Dirt cheap and easily replaceable.
Unless you're disabled. Then you should crawl to the nearest suicide booth to kill yourself.

>>714229579
i don't know a single socialist calling for 100$/hr, nice strawman

>>714181358
>>It has no actual results to show for it besides porn generation
It's literally taken over the digital service industry and now tier IT jobs to the point governments are now scratching their heads because they imported a billion Pajeets for nothing.

>>714232732
>?? I'm not making any claims.
You said "crazy claims" and then made a baseless assumption. You're retarded. What's crazy about assuming humanity will achieve those things someday? Why are you acting like people haven't "calculated the physics" in regards to those arbitrary goals?

>>714232860
What do you do? Why are you trying to gatekeep?

>>714229579
>only sees art as something that holds monetary value

>>714180136 (OP)

>>714180136 (OP)
AI and LLMs are shit, always have been shit, and always will be shit. Nobody ever wanted to see AI in movies or video games. It was always garbage pushed by annoying techbros and by companies who just wanted investor dollars. The reason that everything thinks that AI is slop "now" isn't some big change in people's perceptions; it's just everybody getting sick and tired about every companies trying to shove AI into everything and every techbro talking about how awesome AI is for years, much like how they were talking about how awesome crypto and NFTs were just beforehand.

While it's impressive what AI can do, it really can't do anything but making generic dull garbage. Unfortunately, corporate management enjoy shitting out generic dull garbage, so it's little surprise that so many companies are ready to shove all their products thru the AI pipelines. All it's doing is making the video game market more flooded with the same crap and most people are honestly bored with it.

I don't give a shit if the next Assassin's Creed makes their grass textures with AI, because Asscreed has been bland generic garbage for a long time now. It's just annoying needing to wade thru all the garbage to find the few original games still coming out.

>but small developers could use AI to make their games faster/better/etc
No they can't. They'd spend as much time fixing the crap AI code as they would making the code by themselves, especially when it comes to bugfixing. And the graphics looking like just more generic AI garbage isn't making the game look better.

Stop shilling for some giant tech company that would go under the moment investors stop pumping them full of fresh cash. Not a single goddamn one of these AI companies have had any sort of positive revenue.

>>714233087
he's so mad lmao

>>714232892
*low tier

>>714180136 (OP)
>imagine NPC's you can fully interact with, not just using predefined conversation paths
Models are prone to reiteration and trying their hardest to not prompt you and keep you on a circular path.
>imagine photorealistic, movie like graphics being generated on the fly where you cannot tell virtual and real life footage apart
Not capable without massive lag and AI has been shown time and time again not be able to hold images in longer period memory.
>Imagine in-depth stories generated uniquely to you by AI game master like entities.
Every single AI game master is the equivalent of a beer and pretzel GM at best and a schizophrenic at worst.

>>714232913
Ok, it's not a crazy claim. It's a reasonable claim. "We'll attain immortality" / "We won't". What I'm saying is they're both assumptions. What is your proof that we'll? What is my proof that we won't? We don't have a means of predicting the future. It's a 50% chance of either.

>>714229579
>so still has market value
People thought marvel movies had value and then cried about AI slop, I feel like I'm a crazy person here

>>714192253
He says as artists suck corpo dick trying to get AI killed

AI threads are always full of so much rage and shit flinging, it's barely possible to follow them. And if you can you lose the will to almost immediately.

The vast majority of people only care about outcomes, not the process behind them. As AI improves, the stigma against it will drop until all it takes is one smash high that uses AI well to make it "ok" for everyone else to use it, then these schizo debates can end.

>>714233371
Are you seriously pulling the
>ackshully it's a 50/50 it either happens or it doesn't
meme?
Kill yourself

>>714232993
>Why are you trying to gatekeep?
Why not? Should we not gatekeep games?
A bunch of secondaries who don't even play a game, started bitching about it, wanting to change it for them.
Are fans discouraged from gatekeeping those retards?

>>714233519
>The vast majority of people only care about outcomes, not the process behind them
This, and to be honest, you can blame the standards of the last twenty years slipping away. ChatGPT should not be a better search tool than Google, and yet it it by a wide margin.

>>714233087
Sure—here’s a pro-AI comeback you could use:

You’re painting all AI with the same brush because you don’t like how big companies exploit it, but that doesn’t mean the technology itself is worthless. AI has already saved countless hours on routine tasks, helped small devs prototype ideas faster, and made tools accessible to people without giant budgets or teams. Sure, some studios use it lazily—but that’s on them, not AI itself.

Dismissing AI as “generic dull garbage” ignores the real innovation happening when creative people use it thoughtfully. Procedural generation, adaptive storytelling, AI-assisted art—these aren’t hype, they’re real tools reshaping what’s possible. It’s fine to hate corporate bandwagoning, but pretending AI has no value is just throwing the baby out with the bathwater.

>>714233594
>ChatGPT should not be a better search tool than Google, and yet it it by a wide margin.
Grok is genuinely underrated as a Google replacement. It's far superior. I'm sure this statement will only cause some anon to seethe, but it is what it is.

>>714233371
You're literally just saying random shit at this point because you believe obviously possible things are impossible. Fucking retard.

>>714180136 (OP)
Anons weigh in on this. Let's say I am the author of a very popular skyrim mod. I won't say which one, but let's say you might have seen it before. People love the designs and the writing in it. I texture everything myself and write all the dialogue myself.

But I genuinely don't know how to code. I DON'T know. I just know the skyrim modding tools by themselves, and these skills haven't transferred to C++.

But I want to add mechanics that use C++. Because I am intimately familiar with the modding tools, I know exactly what I want and how it would work, I just can't get there.

So I use ChatGPT to create the code to do it. Let's say, hypothetically, that it actually works. Put away your comments about "oh so you created a hot mess". No, it REALLY works. Even if I don't know HOW, I know if it gave me a working output or not. It isn't adding anything creative to the process, what it does is effectively identical to anything a human could have done, maybe a bit more or less efficient.

I don't use it to make models, textures, dialogue, or any creative stuff. I just use it to code mechanics that punch well above my weight in terms of what I could do alone without learning an entirely new skill, iterating my way through the process until I come across what I already knew to be the right answer, because I knew enough about how the modding tools work that I knew what the right answer was.

I am, again, completely code-illiterate. All my skills lie in other things. Learning C++ from scratch would take weeks or even years to master what an LLM spit out for me in days. And again, it all works.

Is this bad?

>>714180136 (OP)
I love AI

>>714233586
>didn't tell me what you do
Fucking kek, you're a loser aren't you?

>>714233846
>Learning C++ from scratch would take weeks
i believe you when you say you have no programming experience

>>714233846
If you are not seeking any form of financial benefit from it, it's fine.

>>714196203
Good, deviantart level turd artists should actually improve and take criticism instead of deflecting and thinking their work is already good enough. Raise the floor and erase the mud.

Look, you either open your arms to AI slop, or infinity Indians. That's the reality.

>>714233846
PAY
PROGRAMMERS

>>714233846
Does Starfield or whatever the latest version of Gamebryo, not have this ability? You can't prompt what you want for the script and it tries it in the background? you haven't tried it yet because the feature isn't there or/

>>714233985
it's fine either way you fucking fag

>>714233846
>Is this bad?
No
>>714233985
It would be fine even if he was seeking financial benefit
If he delivers a working product, he is fine.

>>714233964
Hand on my heart, I really don't

>>714233985
Would you say the same thing if I commissioned a human coder to write the code for me? Because at the end of the day people may or may not be paying me for my creative output, which is wholly my own. But code is code. A script to write 2+2=4 outputs an identical four whether a robot or a person did it. Let's assume I am ethical enough to keep my LLM usage in this category.

>>714234090
Let's say hypothetically I am not making enough to do that. This is genuinely my only option besides just languishing in mechanical inferiority despite being able to conceptualize what I could do.

>>714233453
but its big corpos doing the theivery with AI.. nigger

>>714233651
Sure, and it's most practical usage has been on doing grunt, routine work.
"Write an email saying welcome to the company."
"Make some code to write text on the screen."
"Make a picture of a castle next to a waterfall."

Stuff like this is how people practically use AI right now. And it's pretty much about what the tool is good for: Producing generic stuff that nobody wants to put effort into. It's the equivalent of a google image search, just with the chance of some odd melting background elements instead of a watermark plastered all over it.

I think you're overreaching for the practical uses for AI. I don't see how it "helps small devs prototype faster" since a random idea out of a chatbot won't be any easier to build into a game. And I'm not sure what tools you expect AI to provide to people without large budgets/teams, since typically going beyond the very basics results in a massive mess or false information leaking in.

>Procedural generation, adaptive storytelling, AI-assisted art—these aren’t hype, they’re real tools reshaping what’s possible.
All of this is complete crap, at current levels of AI. And given how the whole system is designed, I doubt that it will ever improve. I've spent time with chatbots and the quality of what they put out isn't really any better than what they were putting out with aitavern back in 2021/2022. Yes, the language is a lot more flowery. And it doesn't spontaneously go crazy and rape/murder you anymore. But it's the same basic RP with the same basic events and the same basic results, mainly because it's designed to take the most generic outputs from a large set of data. It's little wonder it still comes out as so generic.

>>714200083
Brownoids will still got mogged in terms of creativity and vision by white people that use the AI once it becomes capable enough to realistically do the heavy lifting of creating a game without needing to rely on corporations or volatile tranny 3D artists. People with good ideas will stand out regardless of if they use AI and brownoids will remain irrelevant.

>>714233846
>Is this bad?
No. Professional programmers do this all the time. All it's doing is automating the process of looking up other people's code which is like 90% of actual coding anyway and anyone claiming otherwise is lying. The only difference is that in your case, the code is simple enough to work as written by the LLM rather than needing tweaks or changes to suit the need of the programmer.

>>714233594
Google got destroyed by SEO and preying upon FOMO/FUD in said SEO. It's absolute trash for that now.

>>714233741
I only use gpt as a habit, I need to try grok or gemini but apparently the Zucc poached all the top OpenAI developers for 100 million each. So we might see facebook go big.

>>714233846
I wouldn't say so, but the tragedy of the commons might be people who texture now doing the same and robbing you of an outlet. But at the same time you're using AI to make something tangibly good and worthwhile (not fake trailers). I mod for total war and I had no idea how to do LUA scripting, the guides are either +10 years old from Rome 2 era, or impossible to find in discord. Visual Studio Code's AI gave me a script lickity split to change province ownership. What I found amusing is it didn't work - not because the script was wrong, because the original devs had faction_A named "B" and faction_B named "A", so the ingame code names were reversed. Fix that and it worked.

(cont)

>>714233530
heh, nothing personnel
>>714233829
>you believe obviously possible things are impossible
you're confusing me for someone else. It's 50/50 it happens or it doesn't.

>>714234371
Yeah but artists are retarded and suck on the corpo teat even harder anyway cause little Timmy is making art of his OC for free instead of shelling out 200 bucks and waiting 3-6 months for a half assed product-- if they deliver on the commission at all these days. You're overestimating their intelligence.

>>714234371
Exactly why it's fucking hilarious. Faggot artists are whining about some small startup with like 10 people making billions on AI and crying to Disney to save them. It's beyond pathetic and retarded.

>>714233918
>didn't tell me what you do
I work a regular job like the majority of my country.
If you must know, I tard wrangle old people.
>Oh no I work a regular job that a majority of people do

>>714229690
Monetary value is the only real form of value--whether it's gold or bitcoins, it's easy to verify, hard to obtain.
All other forms of value are make-believe, either easy to generate or hard to prove. Money is one of humanity's earliest and greatest inventions for this reason.

>>714233846
Good luck, because if someone replies to your mod saying that it won't work on their computer or caused some sort of bug that makes something crash, you'll have no clue what's going on or how to fix it. That's kind of the risk of putting a bunch of code into a download and asking everybody to install it.

>>714234542
So a tard wrangler is dictating what tools people are allowed to use to express themselves. Typical leftist.

>>714219690
>took art commission work specifically to fund travel
This person is not very good with money

>>714234569
Spoken like a true jew. Your words are worth nothing.

Thoughts on MCP vs Function Calling? What is A2A?

>>714234624
I hope you won't gatekeep your city when muslims flood into it.

>>714234090
99% of people don't have the money or connections to pay people like that. It's also why people want AI to be able to properly create assets for games too so that they don't need to rely on corporations or volatile 3D artists to get their ideas out there.

>>714234669
It's funny how Jews have been by far the most successful race of the 20th century and this makes other races seethe whether it's gaytollah muhammad worshippers or underachieving wignats

>>714234413
But that showed me a bite size glimpse into how if you don't have someone who understands systems and you give them AI it doesn't work magic. It's not the Star Trek "Computer, do everything for me" yet, and functionally I am not sure if it will ever be.

So basically with Visual Studio Code's LLM I am now empowered to try and make a mod that I'd either have never been able to do beforehand, would have taken time to learn LUA scripting that I could have spent doing something else, or would have required I collaborate. But as >>714234615 says I might overlook something in the script and have no idea how to fix it.

>>714234523
Commission scene and I expect the bottom to collapse, the middle to be tighter, the upper end to be unchanged. It's almost a glimpse into the future where AI stuff becomes the mass production option to boutique hand-made. Because I know one of those commissioners who has a rule 34 page with over 100 images. They make a lot of money IRL. They could save that money and use AI - but that'd require they spend their limited time to learn how to finaggle AI. So they have the money to spend on the luxury product, and it's conspicuous consumption. And then others who want to/can afford that artist want to get it because that hentai-celeb got it.

It's like pirating games in a way: The people who that artist lost as customers never were going to be customers to begin with. That's for the high end artists. The mid-end artists suffer more but still can operate, while the low end artists are 100% fucked with no way around it.

>>714233846
why not just have chat gpt teach you how to code by having it explain to you what you need to do to create the code you need for your mods? then you have the benefit of the ai but also learn how things work and can fix things if anything ever doesnt work because AI can get pretty fucked when it comes to solving problems that its created, especially if they are from hallucinations.

>>714234762
>>714234226
It's a joke... Only retards will tell you not to use AI. Use it for whatever you want, that's what it's for.

why are there so many AI shills in 4chan?

>>714234852
No John, you are the AIs

>>714234768
It's sad that you equate soulless dishonest money grubbing to make the world a worse place with success. This is why your words mean nothing, you have no soul.

>>714234615
I have actually run into this already. The code usually doesn't work to start, but I can look at the output, explain to the AI that it isn't working in this specific way and provide text transcripts logging the error, and it usually will manage to provide fixes after a bit more iterating. It isn't a one and done deal, it's a whole process reliant on my familiarity with the modding kit. I'm actually reasonably confident any reported bugs could be fixed through this process, and I edit the code myself to a small degree by using the parts of it relating the modding tools I am familiar with to provide context.

>>714234783
See above. I am learning to navigate the code at least. I couldn't make it myself but I can notice basic syntax errors now. The reason I jumped in like this instead of having it teach me first is because I knew it would still take a lot of time to learn and this hybrid method is working for me.

>>714234852
1. india has not been rangebanned
2. people who have done nothing with their lives and have 0 skill or merit are often attracted to the idea of being able to "create" things with ai despite the fact that they arent creating anything because they dont understand artistic expression or creativity. they only care about the result, even if the result fucking sucks and they dont even understand how it works. its all about trying to prove to other people that they arent completely worthless.

>>714181110
fpbp strikes again

>>714234782
Nobody wants subpar art from the bottom-line anymore and all the upper end artists just milk flavor of the month fanart with Patreon. Stuck using AI at that point.

>>714234936
If something has market value it means there is demand for it.
If something has no market value it means it's shit and nobody wants it, or it is highly abundant.
Commies and wignats can seethe at this basic logic all they want.

>>714234964
>I couldn't make it myself but I can notice basic syntax errors now.
i dont see any problems with what you are doing then. and honestly the more you do it like this the more you probably will learn if you are smart.

>>714234965
This statement only applies to brownoids, not actually white users of AI.

>>714234782
>rule34
>conspicuous consumption

>>714229690
How much soul is a sack of potatoes worth?

>>714234976
Right like I said the low end are in trouble, but while I haven't spoken to the rule 34 commissioner in awhile if I Check their pages I am sure I'll see lots of fresh content she bought. I know Sapphira Nyx is still belting out multiple new Japanese artist every fucking week.


>>714235218
Don't you mean
>Cumsumption

And I am just saying the art they have bought is on rule 34, not that they commission that site. It's shorthand for saying "They have a shit-ton of commissions". And when you realize these commissions are at a minimum $100 dollars and more often more, it can add up. It's like how Wolfynails(?) the furry artist has your-character-heres going for 4000 dollars starting price.

>>714232442
>This. AI only replaces jeet codemonkeys and dogshit deviantart-tier "artists".
Funny you say that because the largest coding AI startup turned out to just be a bunch of jeets working for pennies manually google searching lines of code for people.1.5 Billion dollars to hire a bunch of indians to google search for people because they are too stupid to do it themselves. This is what the entire AI market is like, and when this shit crashes and burns it's going to be like the dotcom bubble x1000.

>>714235284
oy vey

>>714235494
>the largest coding AI startup
That's Cursor, retard

AI cannot into humor
prove me wrong
puns do not count as humor

>>714235769
>it's bottomless

>>714235769
I did laugh at the end tbf. That has to count for something.

>>714180136 (OP)
I feel blessed because I already dealt with this shit when when AI started beating humans in go/baduk. But the growing pains have allowed us to understand that we can learn from such rigid perspective.
At least that is what I tell myself, we're probably just fucked because its gonna cause a lot of stupid preventable damage but it can't really be stopped.

>>714235985
that was kino

>>714235985
speaks to the power of the greentext storytelling format, but not really a joke

>>714236108
>how to draw a better byte
see? how is that a joke? unless its reprinting an existing joke its seen, it completely fails to grasp what makes something funny

>>714236191
I just feel confused since I dealt with it as a child watching the Jetsons and shit. Obviously we would have AI and robots in the future...

>>714236529

>>714237007
>filename
kek'd

>>714181161

>>714236529
videogames??????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

>>714236529
>AAAAH NOW THAT I HAVE THE POWER I MUST MAKE EVERYTHING HYPER JUST KEEP CRANKING THE NUMBERS HIGHER MORE HYPER

>>714180136 (OP)
AI doesn't make art, it's just the most efficient way to a dopamine injection. I look at it the same way I do fentanyl. That said, I love fentanyl.

>>714234976
>>714234782
Just fyi, dogshit artists are still making the same amount of money.

Top tier artists sell clout, not skill. No one pays Miles DF for the insane quality they offer (lmao), they do it because they can now say they got a Miles DF commission.

Meanwhile sub-$100 get paid for their ideas, not their skill. That pony inflation artist who draws with a mouse is being paid because he draws pony inflation, not because he's good at it.

And the cool thing about AI is that no matter how good it gets, the end user still needs to type in a prompt, and the layman fucking SUCKS at that.

t. I'm in multiple artist servers and not a single person is down on income or commissions

>>714190828

Cry about it. Just keep your tears out of my drink, barista.

>watching interview with some AI insider asian girl
>kinda looking forward to it
>she just starts talking about climate change
yikes, what a fucking let down

>>714190760
shadbased

Shitposting with AI is fun.

>>714233846
You didn't make it. Sorry.

>>714180136 (OP)
>invent ai
>game npc ai is still dumb as fuck
It's not adding up. There's something they're holding back from us.

>>714242654
Almost no games actually implement it, and the few that do aren't doing it "correctly".

AAA games exclusively use AI to cut corners and save money. It's corporate greed, not a tool.
They could do things like use to generate dynamic dialogue or voice lines, but 99% of AAA AI use is just replacing artists for pennies on the dollar, not innovation.

Meanwhile indie games are split between inexperienced nodevs who simply aren't knowledged/experienced enough to use it properly (see: the handful of murder mystery AI games on Steam) or slopcore titles that use AI to pump out youtube tutorial games as quickly as possible.

>>714180136 (OP)
AI can work as a helping hand, not as a single creator.
Also that one game where an AI prompt was seen triggered outrage because people liked it so much. If story was shit and it was AI people would lmao, but when its good people get mad because they did like it and thats kind of scary to most

>>714242483
Never said I did. To me it's the equivalent of commissioning a coder but instead of hiring another guy its getting my homunculus to do it. I'd hire a music guy to make ambient tracks for my mod too if I could, but that wouldn't make me a musician.

>>714243696
You made it.

>>714180136 (OP)
The reason this is so is simple: AI will never replace human creativity. It simply never will. What it CAN and WILL replace are, you guessed it: CEOs and worthless executive boards, and most of those fucking useless people who break things to fix them and further justify their paychecks. The people DEVELOPING AI tools will be replaced, but they don't want to be, obviously, and so there's this disingenuous obfuscation going on to divert attention.

I enjoy reading the ever evolving cope
>AI will never be able to do anything useful
>ok AI can do useful stuff but it's too basic to replace my job
>AI can do my job but it's more like an assistant, I'm still in charge
>AI can do my job better than me and faster and cheaper but it will never replace the human SOVL!

>>714240430
lol
lmao
those poor kenyans have to browse your average 4chan thread
poor guys....
https://youtu.be/8enXRDlWguU?t=4384

>>714181358
it's all a ponzi scheme to further inflate Nvidia (israel owned company) stock as well as launder blood money.
t. guy who works on 14 million dollar nvidia devices.

>>714181358
>>It has no actual results to show for it besides porn generation
you fucking dipshit

>>714244448
And then all the ais clapped

>>714185893
they are literally me

>>714219690
Should have got a real job. Not one that's notorious about being underpaid. Not like that is a new thing either. The whole "starving artist" thing is very very old. You didn't get blindsided by this job you literally ran to it.

I just want AI to be good enough to code for me while I can focus on the art and that.

I just want AI to be good enough to do everything for me so I can spam Steam with hundreds of games and become a millionaire.

>>714244908
This has already been possible for about two decades.
You're looking at $2k a month if you do it full time.
The process has been so streamlined that AI literally can't make it faster. We're already at a point where you download a library, click compile, then publish.

>>714244908
I just want to make my own games.

>>714245169
Me and all of my indian brothers too

>>714245202
indians don't play games

Real-world use cases for AI found so far:
1. crypto scammers
2. NFT scammers
3. tech startups (investor scammers)
4. low quality porn
5. Scam advertisements
6. Chocolate factory scammers
This technology really is just the embodiment of pahjeet-ness.

>>714245367
just admit it's high quality, faggot

TWO MORE WEEKS AND AI WILL SAVE VIDYA ANMD TEH WOLRD! TWO MORE WEEKS!

>>714245367
Crypto scammers really have ruined the zeitgeist.
Will there ever be a new technology that normalfags won't immediately dismiss just because you can use it to make money?

>>714245529
I hope so

>>714245396
Angry that people refuse to buy your slop?

>>714244126
me again reminder the only people making a profit off AI are the ones selling and repairing the hardware that burns out all the time. If you want AI money learn the extremely basic tools necessary to swap GPUs on AHX/DGX trays. If you use AI to make funny pictures and porn you need to really amp up how often you use it and make sure you are NEVER paying to use it.

Thanks for making me a 6 figure earner.

>at least one person has been arguing in this thread for 13.5 hours straight

>>714245202
Based and curry-coded. Every time I see a Unity error on StackOverflow written in broken English I know another indie masterpiece is cooking in Bangalore.

>>714246972
There were threads up all last night too.

>>714180136 (OP)
>>usage of AI is seen as cheap and lazy
Because it is being used in a lazy and cheap way which would be fine if the rest of the product was good but it almost never is.
>Asset Flip unity slop but with shitty AI art plastered all over it
>ai slop video of an ai voice talking about some made up horse shit
>every booru flooded with hundred thousands of samey ai slop
woawza I can't believe people don't like this

If there were some technically super deep games that happen to use AI it'd be another conversation but right now AI is being used by lazy and incompetent people to be more lazy.

>>714242654
You should know at this point that most companies will be mainly using it as a way to pump out games faster
Any genuinely interesting applications will be much more rare

>>714181358
/pol/troons NEED a win to cope with their useless lives. They NEED people to lose jobs so they can be as broke as them, because it hurts them to realise that even losers like ubisoft devs have houses and they don't

>>714248838
What the fuck is wrong with you? Instead of just facing reality you're boxing with a boogeyman.

>>714245367
This is the shit AI niggers don't get. We're 3 or so years into them soifacing over the "potential" of AI slop with nothing to fucking show for it. Meanwhile every almost every successful actual application so far has been scams, porn, and porn scams.

>>714191460
This is no different than a brain taking in information and creating something all new. AI can create a new art style from a combination of other existing art styles just like humans do, but no one wants to accept this simple truth.

>>714200790
Well yeah. Everyone has access to AI, but do you think there aren't actual video game devs using AI who actually have standards?

>>714180136 (OP)
PROGRESS

>>714180136 (OP)
not going to read this thread

>Is it fear of progress? inability to cope with the fact that your skills, once seen as somewhat valuable are not actually that special and can be replicated so easily by machines?
yes, there's a reason why you only mostly see AI whining when it involves art, artists are just loud and annoying crybabies that loved to talk down on anyone who couldn't draw and now they're getting their own medicine

>>714216302
It might surprise you that we're already on step 6.

>>714249791
Because making something is more steps than just prompting images and generating code.
It turns out you actually need to have a good idea, good design, and general knowledge that fills the gaps around what AI can't do.
The thing is, if you have all of that, then the art and code is ironically the least important step.

>>714180136 (OP)
Algorithms are not real AI, the current LLM are not able to think, they just regurgitate whatever they find online and spit it back out using some fancy vocabulary to appear "smart". Same for programming, they steal from any open database they can find and give pajeet tier shit code. Unless the AI is capable of taking action without human input it's worthless.