Thread 714202450

>There are many creatures beyond the cities. Good Hunting!
>May your kills be quick! and many!
Why were they such bros?

>>714202450 (OP)
>*Sneezes at you*

It's weird that their voiced dialogue is so well-spoken, but some of their unique npc dialogue is retard-speak. Feels like one of the writers in particular missed the memo on them because it's basically just the ones involved in quests in Caldera.

>>714205170
i like how he shifts from speaking normally to retardspeak

>>714202450 (OP)
After playing Morrowind, Oblivion, and Skyrim, I really don't get why orcs would ever be considered shitty people considering how relatively normal they are almost every time I interact with them.

>>714207104
The root of the problem is the fact that they're considered hideously ugly in-universe and people have been fighting them non-stop since the merethic era, leading them to be considered inherently hostile monsters like ogres and goblins to an extent, though of course politics also comes into play

>>714207104
it's divine mandate for them to be hated

>>714207104
It's a mix of them being Daedra-worshippers, generally stubborn, living in isolated communities and butting heads with other races in the past. Notably, they are seen as ugly-looking by other races, so there is some genuine prejudice at play.

Also you might want to check out Daggerfall. When that game takes plac, Orcs weren't even considered a civilized race - the story is partially about how they get their accepted into Imperial society in the first place. Morrowind says that Orcs are relatively sought-after blacksmiths and legionnaires in Imperial society, but this development is extremely recent at the time of the game. The way Orcs blackmail and bully their way to acceptance in Daggerfall is pretty funny, King Gortwog is a supremely based character.

>>714205170
Yeah probably. You have to remember that orcs were literally just brainless hostile enemies in daggerfall aside from Gortwog

>Skyrim: Home of the Nords
>go to Karthwasten
>fps 24
>Tamriel Rebuilt
>go to Old Ebonheart
>fps 25-30
>Province: Cyrodiil
>go to Anvil
>fps 25-30

Blessed we are.

>>714209880
Funnily enough Narsis seems to run better than OE for me

>>714205170
Volcano put lead in water. Make us retards.

>>714209880
Karthwasten is the only one that comes close to being as bad as OE to me

>>714207104
they ugly

Post your player homes

>>714207104
the ones in the cities + the ones that join the imperial legions are very well put together people

the other part are stupid demon worshippers that cant build a well functioning nation

>>714217024
Don't have one yet but I have enough gold to go buy a boat if I really wanted

>>714211173
Narsis crashes constantly for me.

>>714202450 (OP)
>Why were they such bros?
Defense mechanism so I don't see them as generic fantasy enemies and kill them on sight, there is good reason they were not a playable race in prior games.

>>714217753
Boating around the world with all the loot is pretty fucking nice

>>714209880
Sadrith Mora also runs terribly. I haven't been to Port Telvannis in almost 20 years, but I remember it had shitty framerate.

>>714217785
Silly Trainwiz, just switch to openMW and your Morrowind will never crash

>>714219280
This save's 20mb big and I ain't giving it up.

>>714217964
How can you possibly think Morrowind Orcs are generic fantasy enemies when they're proportionally mostly the same as the other races and the majority of them are wearing casual clothing

>>714219471
New Roa Dyr looking good, I hope it's more navigable than the old one, I don't wanna get stuck on any more stairs.

>>714220942
Old one is weird cos it's all badly merged together into a single mesh. Dunno why they made it like that but it's very strange.

I have to ask, does anyone know where in Mala Tor the button to open the last hidden door that leads to Meridia's statue is? I couldn't for the life of me find it, I even tried with the collision grid enabled before saying fuck it and tcl'ing through.

>>714220917
morrowind orcs specifically employ defense mechanisms which is why they are a playable race
everyone knows orcs are monsters to be put to the sword

>>714222273
he looks like he fucks human men

>>714202450 (OP)
Why was everyone in Morrowind absolutley shredded? The old man you're told to deliver the package to at the start is a junkie and so old he has white hair, yet he's as ripped as that Orc.

>>714221348
It just kind of runs like shit.

>>714221412
It's something totally different. You have to jump into the huge pit with no slowfall and it'll teleport you.

>>714222929
a healthy diet of kwama eggs and saltrice does wonders

>>714222929
I can buy it in Caius's case. He's an elite Blades grand spymaster who lives as a crackhead getting into fist fights with people. His bodyfat percentage has to be single digit.

>>714224561
>>714222929

Why did I go from 35% GPU utilization on Vvardenfell to 70% on Solstheim, but just around the center of the isle? My temp also goes from 50 C to 70+ C.
I have the Lake Fjalding anti suck esp from MOP.

>>714225156
Anti-suck won't fix the particle effect being ass.

>>714225094
Morrowind’s character models were sculpted like Greek gods because Bethesda didn’t know how to do subtle. Instead of “old man with secrets,” they gave us “shirtless DILF with abs you could grind skooma on.” Same with Orcs-half of them look like they just walked out of a Daedric gym, probably because they did. Game has like five facial animations total so they had to max the body stat sliders to tell characters apart.

>>714228960
But everything you just described is a good thing.

>>714222795
he can't

>>714228960
>the game's singular body is better at letting people tell characters apart than the dozen or so faces for each race

>>714234893
hehehheh yeah anon is retardeded

>>714207104
In oblivion they’re pretty shitty

>>714207104
Survivor bias. If you met a mean one you'd be DEAD!!!

>>714207104
They were considered mindless monsters until reality got rewritten a few years ago or something.

>>714207104
play Daggerfall, they're green nogs who attack people on sight. But their leader Gortwog claims they only do that because people attack them first which is a blatant lie, they're just a dumb violent race. The dragon break in Daggerfall must have made them a tad more civilized

>>714237507
Gortwog literally did nothing wrong.

>>714228960
If everything is "subtle" then it's just a generic grey blob that says nothing. You're literally describing the foundation of good character design, give characters exaggerated traits so they're easily told apart.

>>714202450 (OP)
No matter what class I play, I play orc because I KNOW how uncomfortable it makes the empire.

>>714240730
The Empire looks down on you, rapes you at every turn and uses you as cannon fodder for their army but you're too stupid to realize that

>>714241016
I dodge it.

>>714202450 (OP)
>tfw trying to get into this but I can't help but keep cheating attributes because the base move speed is fucking shit and eventually lose interest because 99% of NPCs all say the same things
It sucks because I like the presentation of the world and the cool shit in it, it's just frustrating because the gameplay is shit and that's even after getting over the low stats = miss shit.

>>714241356
filtered

>>714241356
>tfw was as filtered as this pleb because I played Oblivion
>Just played it on OG Xbox, enjoyed it, took it all in
It was fun.

>>714241356
>muh movement speed
Why not pick Steed or have Athletics as a major skill if it bothers you so much?

>>714241356
>99% of NPCs all say the same things
It's not really any different from Oblivion or Skyrim in that regard, but them all "saying the same things" is really meant to be how you get nearby quests on your radar.

>>714241356
Grab Boots of Blinding Speed and enough magicka resistance potions to negate the Blind when you equip them. For mods, grab Voices of Vvardenfell and Dynamic Actors so the dialogue comes alive. And if you're really desperate and not too autistic about the "authentic" experience, grab Better Balanced Combat, which will technically make the game much harder but your attacks will always land and magicka will regen.

Personally I was scared I'd have your experience, but most of the crust ended up not bugging me too much and, especially after starting a second run with Tamriel Rebuilt, Project Tamriel, and a self-imposed restriction to not use alchemy at all, I ended up finding my next big addiction for probably the next several months. I'd say it's worth casualizing your experience a bit just so you don't jump ship and miss out.

>>714209880
>play in vr
>vvardenfell and most of mainland are smooth 120
>narsis sends me to powerpoint
At least async reprojection kinda makes it work but it just fucking tanks like a fat dookie at the velothi tower.

>>714219471
I know that feel.

Orcs and dwarves are usually total bros, or total dicks, which is also based.

Orcs are fiends, monsters you find in dungeons and the wild.

>>714247127
I use alchemy specifically for that. I start a run, go to Caldera, steal and sell the orcish armor, steal the master alchemy set and ingredients, go to Sadrith Mora's imperial shrine, brew myself up a couple hundred +INT potions, go to Balmora to make ~30 levitation potions with my 10k intelligence, repeat for restore health+stamina, repeat for restore magicka. Then 2-3 +9000 intelligence ones for when I need to enchant something. This whole process takes about 15 minutes and removes all inconvenience and time-wasting from the rest of the playthrough. Plus it's fun to fly around like superman.

>>714253607
it’s fun if you do it once but might as well use the console if you do it all the time

>>714240730
>uncomfortable
Orcs are some of the empire's most valued soldiers and smiths, though. If they make anyone uncomfortable, it's the Altmer.

>>714202450 (OP)
>be me
>go to trainers right before hitting level up count to get those sweet attribute points
>stop being able to train once all the easily available trainers get maxed out
>faggot who made code patch fixed the trainer exploits (and none of the other ones, except int restore I guess)
>just spend a couple days going to different master trainers while planning my level ups carefully
>just say fuck it and go all the way up to level 70 to max everything out
>very fun, loved the planning of it
>now everything else is boring and still not being able to do every spell and enchanting bugs me
thank ALMA that most morrowind quests are interesting fetch quests.

>>714255040
install the oblivion remastered leveling mod
get the gains you want, at the pace you prefer

>>714205170
guess orcs were still growing as a race.
trinimac being turned into malacath really did a number on the elves' intelligence.
there is a reason they have a reputation as mad raving barbarians and they're culture has the "only chief gets to fuck" tribalism
I think this extends to khajiit and argonians too.
they were much more beastlike in appearance and intelligence before the gods they worshipped made them more similar to humans so they can mingle with the empire better.
this would explain why dunmer find it so natural to enslave them.
they used to just be animals who would become cattle, but they aren't anymore.
the ashlanders who follow the ancestor's guidance, have forgone using them as slaves as the ancestors told them that the khajiit and argonians aren't mere animals anymore. but the tribunal gods are too busy being worshipped to care about any such thing so house dunmer still carry on with the slavery. when empire attacked, they were forced to step force and tell the dunmer to try to mingle too, like how the khajiit and argonians and I guess the bosmer were changed from their animalistic nature and made to mingle with the empire by their gods. kek only vivec gave enough of a fuck to step forth too, and that was only when redoran was about to get fucked in the ass by the legions.

>>714209880
I just pretend it's a blightstorm and head inside a building.

>>714255258
thank you bot-san
but we are in a morrowind thread
try some skooma to clear your head

>>714255726
He means this: https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/56569?tab=description
If that's too much this one is in between vanilla and OBR style:
https://www.nexusmods.com/morrowind/mods/55264

>>714256531
domo arigato,
meatbag-san
this was what I meant

>Check TR regions map for the first time in years
>like half of the dres salt desert was replaced with swamps and shit
>Only one small town is actually going to be in there, Dres doesn't have the same spread of settlements as other factions
suffering

>>714255040
> interesting fetch quests.
Textbook example of an oxymoron.

The more I read up on the lore of the races.

Removing PISS writing like the Hist. Dunmer have got to be the most powerful race right? They seem like the only race with an ego big enough to them literally wanting to reach godhood (Chim) hence why some of the most powerful figures (especially mages) are Dunmer.

I always thought for sure the Altmer were the master race, especially after Skyrims Thalmor proving to literally be a real life equivalent of Israel.

>>714219471
>20 mb save file
Yea, I think I know why it's crashin

>>714260171
>HURR DURR SAVE BLOAT, SAVE FILE BIG, DURR

Who the FUCK started this meme over save file sizes being indicative of anything with TES games. Did some retard save with fucked up scripts/mods, see their save file size triple in size and just think that save sizes being large ALWAYS means that it's a broken/bloated save?

I've had 20+ MB saves across Morrowind to Skyrim with no issues, they just naturally grow due to the nature of the engine (about 1-2MB every 8-10 hours of gameplay).

>>714223930
>You have to jump into the huge pit with no slowfall and it'll teleport you.
Well fuck me, I would have never guessed that as I was playing a mage and would never jump down without slowfall, thanks for the answer

>>714255040
>70 before you start questing
For me it's
>get resist magicka and mentors ring from seyda neen
>get boots of devisioning sneed
>ransack all of the easy lootable shit to mudcrab until I can enchant stamina pants
>buy conjure weapon, levitate, unlock, all useful spells and make multiple versions
>grab a Wizard's Staff and Mark and Recall amulets
>go play the damn game at level 1 but already OP
I don't even bother with training most attributes besides strength, speed, and intelligence

>>714260886
This. Most of the setup for a good run is just solving inconveniences like locks, travel, terrain, carry weight, gold costs, and gear degradation, and this can be done with no training at all.

I finished Bloodmoon main quest yesterday
I had to open uesp to check their stats because the fucking werewolves were killing me in 4-5 hits even though I have 350hp
I maxed out all of my attributes after beating Dagoth Ur expecting that Bloodmoon would be just another walk in the park. And holy shit those fuckers wrecked the shit out of me
Sheogorath is now my goat because I wouldnt have survived without his spear

>>714262423
say hi to the tribunal goblins for us

>>714255352
The relationship between Hist and Argonians feels less like that of gods and their worshipers, and more like symbiosis. The Argornians are servants to both the Dunmer and the Hist, but the Hist in its own way provides a mutually beneficial transaction while the Dunmer just used them as beasts of burden.

>>714260104
Even with the Hist, the Dunmer eventually manage to reclaim the heights of the Dwemer and beyond if one goes by C0DA.

>>714260104
They're the favourite race of one of the primary writers, and Vivec is his self-insert. Obviously they are the strongest and have the most potential.

>>714262795
>Dunmer just used them as beasts of burden
well they are. and not even good ones.
>Argonians are the savage half-men of the southern marshes. Our peoples used to keep them as slaves, but they are useless. The settled people still keep them as slaves to grub in the soil. They are dirty and wicked, and we should drive them all back into the swamps they came from.

>>714262423
Tribunal and Bloodmoon Rebalance mods in addition to Beware the Sixth House helps. Tribunal and Bloodmoon were made with the idea of higher level players in mind and they're slogs because of it. Also it's weird to me that you can be the Morag Tong grandmaster but the play quest in Tribunal plays out the same regardless.

>>714262423
I only beat Bloodmoon by abusing the AI not knowing what to do when I use my super acrobatics to jump halfway to the moon; they just 180 and run off giving me at least two free swings before they clap back at me.

>>714255352
All of that is just your headcanon. The Dunmer also enslave Men and even Mer, they don't really give a shit about any of that stuff. All that shit about the Khajiit and Argonians is stupid too, sounds like you're mixing up that one retarded 4chan headcanon made to justify the existence of Argonian tits with the Khajiit/Bosmer origin story, which obviously happened way before the Empire even existed lol

>>714263765
>made to justify argonian tits
>the hist says you look like you fuck human men

>>714260104
Dunmer are realistically one of the weakest races. The strongest are either Redguards or Argonians because they have the gods of plot armor watching over them. The strength of races is generally tied to how strong their guardian deities are, and the Dunmer's deities don't give a shit about them.

>>714265076
That is literally and objectively not true since anyone who has actually read TES lore beyond surface level 4th era shit knows that the Dunmer had a thousand-year golden age because of the tribunal in which they were basically unbeatable and the Argonians were historically massive losers since the Hist mostly don't give a shit about them

>>714265076
If we're operating under that logic, then Bretons are the true peak, as they hold the title of only race to have a member ascend to the Divines

lol

>>714225094
Bssed

>>714267092
I love that eye bulging crackhead khajit subrace that TR added

>>714202450 (OP)
Orcs are generally bros

>>714269053
>pic
malacath is literally the god of petty incel revenge though

>>714265239
You mean the same Tribunal that kowtowed to Tiber Septim? Don't take Morrowind's lore at face value, that would be a gross misreading. There's a reason why one of the Temple institutions is called The Ministry of Truth.

>>714265379
That's retarded because Talos isn't a "guardian deity" for Bretons in the same way that the HoonDing is to the Redguards, or that Kyne is to Nords, or that Akatosh/Shezarr is to Imperials.

>>714270558
The Second Empire being unable to conquer Morrowind and the Reman Dynasty subsequently getting extinguished by the Morag Tong are both facts that come from sources introduced before and after Morrowind, and the majority of them are non-dunmer in origin in-universe.

The explicit idea that the Dunmer were "too strong" for the Nords to successfully fight against following the Tribunal's ascension comes from the Arcturian Heresy, a book also clearly not written by Dunmer or the Temple.

The Arnesian War, in which the Tribunal-led Dunmer soundly defeated the Argonians, who you claim are one of the two strongest races in the setting, is also mostly attested too in Imperial texts (nevermind the fact they had been enslaving Argonians for thousand of years before that) and is also mostly talked about after Morrowind, again assuming that's what you meant by "Morrowind lore".