Thread 714236142

MONSTER HUNTER BROUGHT BACK UNDERWATER COMBAT

MONSTER HUNTER BROUGHT BACK UNDERWATER COMBAT

MONSTER HUNTER BROUGHT BACK UNDERWATER COMBAT

MONSTER HUNTER BROUGHT BACK UNDERWATER COMBAT

>what's the one thing we can bring back from an older title people didn't like?
>i got you

is it fun?

>>714236286
No it’s a canned set piece not an actual mechanic

>>714236286
It's a little cool. They just let you drop boulders on him, mount him, and shoot piercing pods underwater so far, but I have a feeling they'll flesh out underwater combat to be fully functional later.

>>714236437
god i hope not, the gimmick underwater was already but nothing special but at least it wasn't obnoxiously bad like it was in tri/3u

>>714236286
No in actuality it made refighting the Lagiacrus unfun and makes you want to close the game. It's a cinematic dogshit version of underwater combat you cant even swing your weapons. They actually managed to make Lagi a more unfun fight than he was on land in 3U. This TU was a complete botch. And they really needed it to not be. I guess there is layered weapons but thats it.

>>714236142 (OP)
Underwater combat is repurposed Clutch claw combat.

>>714236437
>but I have a feeling they'll flesh out underwater combat to be fully functional later.
there's 0 chance of this ever happening

GIVE ME QUROPECO OR GIVE ME DEATH

>>714236536
Weapons and monster movesets changing mid battle via underwater is a great idea, they just had to iron out some of the rough edges

Instead they opted to remove it in favor of JE SUI MONTE and the other bullshit after like clutch claw, wire bugs, and focus mode instead

>>714238443
still felt like shit outside of ranged weapons or maybe the lance.

>Bring back underwater combat
>But its gimmicky and half assed
>People will hate it and stop asking for it to be reimplemented
Thank god. Underwater combat was dildoes. I'm legit glad they made sure it'll stay dead.

Have a sof.

>>714236868
AAAAAAAA
BROTHER!
I want peco back so badly.
I hope Capcom overcorrects with the bad reviews and makes the game painfully difficult and bring back Peco to be thr "Welcome to G-rank, bitch" monster. I would FUCKING LOVE to see people bitching about that fucking tooter stunlocking them by setting them on fire with his flint clap.

>>714239052
>honks up a savage jho during the first tier of G rank quests

>All monsters are shit
>PS3 graphics
>Retarded interface
>Every low rank monster dies in 2 hits
>Unskippable walking segments
>No endgame
>No Elder Dragons
>Underwater combat
>Less monsters than MH2 and 4
>No challenge
>No MH language
Is this the worst game of all time?

>Bring a very popular, iconic monster back into the series
>Game is so fucking bad nobody really cares either way
>33k people playing, 87k peak
To be fair, the game peaked at 5k people last week, so I guess 33k is not bad.

>>714236142 (OP)
Do they fix the performance yet

>>714236286
>is it fun?
It fixes certain issues by doing very specific things:

1. The arena is small (In Tri, the water areas are too big and barren).
2. Terrain plays a factor.
3. Clutch Claw works as a mechanic underwater.
4. The time you spend underwater fighting is short.

Underwater combat is never going to be as good as land combat, but having it in short bursts and a novelty didn't make it outstay its welcome.

>>714236437
At most they should extend this to the other aquatic monsters. Uth Duna would've been an actually memorable apex if you actually fought it underwater.

>>714238443
>Weapon movesets changing mid battle via underwater is a great idea
In what fucking universe?

>>714238515
You are just a shitter.
It was great with HH, hammer and sns.
Had no real issues with GS or LS or GL.

>>714240506
>Underwater combat is never going to be as good as land combat
all they have to do is make the moveset of every weapon 1:1, who cares if it doesnt make sense. the movement feels good underwater cause you dont move at a snails pace now

>>714241810
>moveset of every weapon 1:1
that defeats the purpose, having movesets change on the fly depending on environment is the potential fun factor of the mechanic

>>714241606
If they don't give AT uth duna something underwater it would be a big missed opportunity. I don't see them using Lagi's underwater arena and it would be more appropriate for it to happen in the big lake in the upper left corner of the map anyway.

>>714241663
What's wrong with the concept? Adds more variation to battles and makes the environments you fight monsters in actually matter

>>714236286
Worse than the original underwater combat, wayyy worse. QTE fest now.

>>714244221
hope someone does the farting animation with this Gemma

>>714236142 (OP)
>"oh shit"
>swim towards him and try to unsheathe
>nothing happens
It's a cool throwback and I'm glad it's not completely on-rails, I clapped when he did that charge up move. Playing Tri's victory theme on top of everything else felt like it was extending a tad bit into corny territory compared to Alatreon but it's probably the best way to cap off the fight.

how would you make underwater combat work in MH?

Can we stop pretending that Wilds is a bad game?

>>714244371
just speed up the swim speed (shouldn't be an issue on newer hardware) and touch up the weapon movesets. That's it.

>>714244221
would Gemma be able to dive underwater with those massive funbags keeping her afloat?

Will this hopefully be used for more than just 1 monster? Because the pack mechanic is basically only in the game for Hirabami and Doshuguma and even then it's not particularly well implemented. Shit, not even the clash attack animations were given to all of the monsters.

>>714236437
So more cinematic bullshit. Don't tell me you gotta do this crao every time you fight him?

>>714244582
Just slap that on the water mons like Mizu and Uth Duna. If they really wanna show they care about this game, they can add underwater fights with the octopi. just dont add the piscine mons, fuck those fishes

>>714236142 (OP)
>Lagiacrus is a fun, decently challenging fight with new moves to catch you off-guard and a very elaborate setpiece that doesn't overstay its welcome
>Seregios is a chump and goes down like one
why'd they do him dirty

Reminder that the new update lets you disable DLSS upscaler and only keep DLSS framegen.

This fixes stuttering and slowdowns caused by the buggy upscaling implementation and the blurriness.

>>714236142 (OP)
>Walking talking cutscene slop
Just change its name to Monster Watcher now

>>714244689
I want Jyuratodus back just so I can have his kick ass gladiator armor set back. I never really cared for his fight in particular.

>>714244712
Seregios is the bane of normies

>>714244458
You don't know what you're talking about. If it were true, someone would have modded MH3U to have faster swimming. But even that doesn't need to be done to prove that it wouldn't work. Just increase the speed of underwater combat videos and you will still see all the same problems.

>>714244712
>Seregios is a chump and goes down like one
So like in every game?

>>714244712
Seregios is a meme monster trying to fill Rathalos' shoes. I seriously don't know why people like it.

>>714236286
yes and then you do it again...and again...and again....

>>714244920
3U isn't designed around fast swim speed dumbo of course it wouldn't work if you just speed it up, I mean for a new game being designed ground up for it (literally the lagi fight in wilds does this)

>>714245027
I'll take Destiny for 500 Alex!

I really liked the underwater combat, and the combination of land and water fighting was fun. I think if you played certain weapons it was awful though but I can't relate because I was lance.

>>714244942
Meme as in what, to easy? If that's what's bothering you, fight him naked.

>>714244942
cool design, unique status, generally good armor sets (both visual and skill wise). The fight is also inoffensive unlike something like lagombi or dromes which are aggressively boring

Wilds is dead.

>>714245102
EDF would've also worked. Same for Dark Souls or Elden Ring.

>>714244221
Not even tits is enough to save this shit.

>>714245027
>>714245102
>>714245179
There is unironically nothing wrong with reusing assets if they're good assets. Game dev is held back by 'it must be new' mentality and IP laws.

>>714245602
I'm not shitting on the system, just noting some other series that do it. I think even the Mass Effect trilogy re-used a lot of assets back in the day.

>>714236142 (OP)
Call me when they bring back Ceadeus

>>714245027
That's what is funny; Wilds made all new assets again and didn't even port from Rise like Mizu. It's why the game is horrid shit since it's made from the ground up by bugs and street shitters lmao

>>714246390
Is this also why some of the games new mechanics aren't even shared with all the monsters like the wirebug mounts were for Rise or the Clutch Claw was in Iceborne?

>>714245027
Yes.

>>714246551
Most likely. The game is an amalgamation of ideas and none of it is utilized or refined. They had no idea what the fuck they were doing for 7 years.

>>714236286
the first time and then every other time you are fighting to skip it

>>714245914
If they don't want underwater to involve your actual weapons this is probably the best monster to do it with, make it totally a mounted weapon fight like the first half of Zorah magdaros

What happened???????? I thought Lagi was going to save Wilds.

>>714247893
Holy shit this game is UGLY!

>>714248060
>Keeps getting more negative
Kek, I hope it is unstoppable at this point.

>>714244405
Don't even bother adapting land movesets to the water. Just create two or three new weapon types exclusive to this environment, designed from scratch to be fun to use there.

>>714240506
Isnt that literally a reused amatsu animation? The one he does when he novas the arena? Why is no one pointing this out?

>>714240506
so this is what happens if you play like a retard. Fuck nothing

>>714251170
because nobody has seen this attack before

>>714236286
Yes.

>>714244942
Flying wyvern, but deconstructed.

>>714255294
Ex de

>>714247893
can't you place traps there or bug out his scripted sequence in any other way?

>>714248060
NOOO PLEASE DON'T POST A NEGATIVE REVIEW!
CAPCOM DESERVES BETTER!
PERFORMANCE ISSUES? HAHA WHAT ARE YOU POOR? I'LL HAVE YOU KNOW I GET 50FPS WITH FRAME GEN AND UPSCALING, MAYBE JUST GET OFF YUOUR POTATO :))))))))))))
IF YOU DIDN'T LIKE IT WHY DID YOU PUT IN 200 HOURS? I AM VERY SMART

>>714244712
Tempered Seregios is the strongest monster in the game and makes Lagiacrus look like a tutorial monster in comparison

>>714239107
that's a very nice pepe

>>714236142 (OP)
Wilds is peak boredom
To much scripted walking talking section made me rage quit this shit
I go play older title

>>714248060
it saved the game for me for like an hour and then back to the uninstall pit

>>714248060
PCfags hate being reminded that their 12 year old rig isn't up to standards

>lagiacels without underwater advantage
KEKYPOO
stand aside tendie flagship
this is a game for REAL rathGODS and real classic monsters

>>714248060
NOOOOOOOOO NOOOOOOOOOOOOO WILDS GOOD WILDS GOOD TENDIE

>>714236142 (OP)
NO IT DIDN'T

NO IT DIDN'T

NO IT DIDN'T

NO IT DIDN'T

>>714258870
Sonygods won

>>714236286
No. It's actually dogshit and ruins the hunt. I hope you enjoy long cinematic bullshit every hunt.

>>714240506
>In Tri, the water areas are too big and barren).
You haven't played Tri. What fucking "too big" room did the goddamn Flooded Forest have?

>>714251170
All of Amatsu's animations are stolen from the swimming leviathan big

>>714240506
>1. The arena is small
So, not fun?

Wilds is peak mh
Anyone who disagree is a poorfag who jealous of us wilds enjoyers

>>714236142 (OP)
No, they didn't.

>>714259206
+0,34 rupees have been added to your capcom ID account

>>714236286
Yes
They also fixed 70% of the problem and game is so good now

>>714259060
Can't be worse than Safi'Jiiva

>>714258660
I genuinely believe Portable 3rd is peak MonHun and I'm still mad about getting 3U instead of 3rd G.
Bracchy is kinda cool but slime is such a retarded gimmick element and 3rd HD looks better than 3U on Wii U.
And fuck the charm table shit what an asinine mechanic.
Better off to play Tri village and then just switch over to P3rd than to play 3U.

>>714236286
THEY. FIXED. EVERYTHING.

>>714236142 (OP)
It makes me realize that Underwater Combat was the single most valuable mechanic addition in the entire franchise history. It recontextualizes fights like nothing else and gave an added dimension to the hunt nothing else does. What Monster Hunter should have focused on is environmental hazards that the monster plays into, instead the series became about making "fair fights" which is what ultimately resulted in Wilds. And Lagi's underwater fight is the ultimate irrefutable example of this. It's a photo stop, not a fight with a dangerous predator in their element.

>>714259598
This is clearly a stepping stone/preview of full underwater combat that will be available in the expansion to drive expansion sales.

>>714245027
This isn't Elden ring though...

This whole underwater combat proof of concept thing is clearly leading to one sure thing: The glorious return of Plesioth.

>>714236142 (OP)
The fact that monster hunters can bully a powered up lagiacrus in its natural habitat without a weapon makes them utterly superhuman.

>>714248060
>release 40 minutes of content every 3 months
?????????

>>714248060
It is a fun fight, but there's no incentive to fight him once you craft his armor/weapons.
>inb4 you should be playing for fun and speedrunning!
No, I need my grinding goals and they realized that way too late so they're rushing to put in a talisman system for the fall update.

>>714259107
moga was the main offender of that desu. That and the final boss (but that was more for visual scale)

>>714259479
Have they given every monster a clash yet?
Have they toned down the topple congas that wounds cause yet?
Is Artian RNG still the only thing you can do at endgame?
Did they expand on the large monster pack idea that they used for exactly 2 monsters in the entire game?

No? Then they haven't fixed everything yet.

>>714260591
>Have they given every monster a clash yet?
That requires actual animators, capcom only has pajeets that "clean" mocap, im 100% sure if someone unpacks all animations from the game there would be only raw mocap with 20 keyframes per bone.

>>714260467
I have never thought the size of the arena underwater was a problem. The movement options were the issue that made it a slog.

>>714258814
>recommended
>6 year old card
>doesn't work on
>1 year old 70 series card
good meme.

>>714240506
Is this being played at double speed? That animation looks jank as fuck.

>>714259405
P3rd had charm tables, too.

>>714245027
worse, people complain if they don't. Literally cry and boycott the game if you take away a weapon to make room for other stuff.

>>714262256
The player's not swimming at double so probably not

>>714259806
*hipchecks you*