>WHAT IF I WAS A... LE ROBOT? AYEEE IM GOING INSANE CATHERINE SAVE ME!!!

I can't believe boomers thought this was a good game.

>>714236552 (OP)
Okay but what if you actually were a robot?

i love retro nostalgic games like soma
takes me back to my childhood

>>714236552 (OP)
you DID win the coin toss, right, /v?

Did you do it?

>>714236552 (OP)
VR version soon

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3uj-ABCbO0

>>714236552 (OP)
the AI sludge and the underwater environments were kino, the identity shit not so much.

>>714236552 (OP)
>boomers
Wrong era fucko.

>>714237060
no
for better or worse, it deserved the chance to continue on

Man how did they regress so hard from Soma to Rebirth?

>stupid people still think there was a coin toss even after experiencing the end of the game
The coin toss cope was Simon being retarded and Catherine not correcting him because it would have made him more likely to kill himself.

>>714238431
Gamergate

>>714237794
Continue on to what? He's locked in a room with a WAU monster beating on the door to go back, and no ability to move forward, with the added knowledge that Catherine abandoned him.
Simon-2 has no recourse other than to kill himself. Killing him before he wakes up is the merciful option.

>>714238972
>Killing him before he wakes up is the merciful option.
That's his choice to make. Simon-2 deserves to decide his own fate, and if he chooses to kill himself, then so be it.

>>714238431
>le Rebirth is bad!
I'm tired of this meme. If you really think Rebirth is bad then clearly you don't understand what makes these games great and they aren't for you.

>>714239647
It is bad and I don't give a fuck if you're tired of hearing the truth.

>>714239647
Bunker is alright, Rebirth should be ashamed of itself

>>714239780
It has the best atmosphere of the trilogy

>>714236635
But I'm not a robot, and I did have breakfast.

>>714239780
>Bunker is alright
bunker is pure shit lmao

>>714238431
sweet baby inc

>>714238801
There's a coin toss, though. Your consciousness is effectively split. There's no copy or original since both are equally equivally as valid.

>>714238431
Head writer left after Soma, he later worked on Alone in the Dark but I haven't played that yet.

>>714241616
there is no coin toss, the individual who copies himself never left his body. The new individual just think there was a coin toss because he has all the memories of the previous individual, giving him the illusion that his consciousness was in fact transferred from one body to another.

Let me reiterate before you double down: the coin toss is an illusion that the copy experiences.

>>714237060
Yes it was mercy

>>714241798
If it was a Cut & Paste, where Simon's consciousness ceased to exist in the same moment the new one appeared in the Ark, you'd never say that the Ark one was a copy. His consciousness would just be effectively transferred, making him the original.

Making it a Copy & Paste doesn't change that fact. It's completely irrelevant to Ark Simon whether or not Pathos Simon keeps existing or not. They're BOTH the original.That's the whole premise of the game and it's reiterated over and over by the dialogue and logs you find throughout it.

There is a coin toss because Simon both stayed in Pathos and was transferred to the Ark at the same time.They're the very same being until that split occurs.

>>714242368
>If it was a Cut & Paste, where Simon's consciousness ceased to exist in the same moment the new one appeared in the Ark, you'd never say that the Ark one was a copy
this is the kind of retarded conclusion of dumb child would come to (ironical considering the chick calls him childish for not understanding the concept of copy) and I am not even going to entertain the rest of your nonsense.

>>714239331
He has no means to kill himself, the WAU will keep him alive for all of eternity. Good job.

>>714236552 (OP)
so true xister
glad we have compelling narratives like mouthwashing and celeste instead

>>714236552 (OP)
No you retard. The philosophical question was if an exact copy was made of your brain does that copy have a soul?

>>714241798
>the coin toss is an illusion that the copy experiences
so there is a coin toss, then. are you sure you understand what experiences are?

There is no coin toss. There is no reality where you choose to be scanned, sit in the chair for you brain scan, close your eyes, and open them as the new copy.
That will be the copy's experience, but never yours as you choose to sit for the brain scan. There is no chance element to it.

>>714242637
The game literally goes over this twice, Simon gets transported to Pathos and then to the Diving Suit. We see it through his eyes that he's not a copy. It seems that you completely misunderstood what the game says about consciousness.

WAU did nothing wrong. It'll create a new world and new humanity in time.

Still easily the peak from these devs
There hasn't been a horror game as good as this released since. There simple hasn't.
It wasn't even particularly scary, but god damn. KINO

>>714238972
>He's locked in a room with a WAU monster beating on the door to go back
Either way for it to leave or just juke it, simple as. Simon-3 could also double back and hang out with him.

>>714242982
no
the soul has nothing to do with the brain

there, saved you having to play this shit

>>714243113
the fucking irony. The whole fucking point was that the original simon died before the end of the world. His memories were copied, creating a new consciousness in the process. There are as many consciousness as copies. The consciousness never got transferred.

>>714243086
there is no coin toss because there was no chance of the copy to not be the copy, it's a fucking illusion due to sharing memory. That'd be like saying there was a coin toss and I could have been you, the anon on the other side of the world.

>>714242982
Why would it? Only Simon Prime got to go to heaven once he died of his brain troubles. The Simon copies are only computer generated simulations. They don't have souls any more than that dude's scan that you keep rebooting to get info from does.

>>714243143
Yeah, the WAU is just working on it slowly but surely. It's horrifying now, but the alternative is extinction, and the whole "it's better if humanity accepts going into the dark than suffer these abominations" thing is always bullshit.

>>714243373
>it's a fucking illusion
so, there's a coin toss then.

>>714243373
You probably would think you die and are copied back to life everyday while you go to sleep, since your consciousness istops and is brought back when you wake up again.

Both Catherine and Simon probably already had brain scans on the Ark from when Catherine originally set it up to launch, right? Catherine for sure would already be uploaded on it and I don't see why they wouldn't include Simon's rudimentary brain scan alongside that Japanese chick and the doctor's scan.

>>714243143
maybe. Depends on whether or not it keeps iterating or if it just settles on a weird simulacrum of life.
Pretty sure after Simons adventures there's no flesh and blood humans left anymore. He killed, accidentally or not, all the ones kept alive by WaU integration and the last unintergrated one is either pulled off life support or would have died shortly afterwards.
It's the big gamble, would the WaU keep going or would it consider a random bot stuck in place running a loop an acceptable metric for "keep humans alive"

>>714243427
What it comes down to is you've got
A) the pinnacle of human hubris being so vain that they send a bunch of AI brainscans into space so they can "live" in the same way your sims live and
B) horrible abomination goo monster that's sure fuckin trying
Maybe I wouldn't opt into being too monsters but I sure as shit am not interested in being brains scanned and indoctrinated into some retarded Haley's Comet reddit cult

>>714243494
you are a woman

>>714243594
your consciousness doesn't stop when you die but yes, each passing moment you could be a different consciousness who inherited the memories while the previous one died and you wouldn't realize it. That's the whole point.

>>714243721
meant when you sleep, obviously

>>714243697
I'm confident it would get better at making new life. The weird guy who wanted you to kill it was just being retarded. Humanity is toast in the SOMA universe and the WAU's experiments are their best bet at new ways to survive.

>>714243771
>>714243721
your consciousness does get put on hold when you go to sleep. I could copy you everyday while you're asleep, kill you, and put you in a new body. You'd never even question your existence because from your point of view, you're still the original. There's 0 difference between the original and the "copy".

>>714236552 (OP)
it was just a coin flip lil bro. baka did you really not understand fr?

>be simon2
>die
>get to the pearly gates
>find out robocopies go to hell
Sucks to suck

>>714243603
Catherine has a scan that she wants to update with what's happened since that knowledge is important to her.
Simon wasn't a member of PATHOS-2 and his brainscan is more of a legacy thing. He doesn't have a scan already on the Ark.
Simon still needs to reach and launch the ARK regardless to escape it being found and abused by the WaU and to extend it's battery life from a decade at best to thousands of years thanks to sci-fi grade solar panels.

>>714243893
yes I am not sure what your point is, that's literally what I am saying. There is no coin toss, it's just that the copy can't tell the difference because it has inherited the memories from the original, but that doesn't change the fact that the original doesn't have its consciousness transferred. Someone was born with memories rather than a blank slate.

>>714244027
Oh no, not the Way living on desolate lifeless earth and possibly making it habitable, oh nooooooooooooo! We need to quickly Ctrl c Ctrl v my brain into that giant Pentium 2 duo and launch it into space so I can...... Look at a virtual sunset all day

>>714236552 (OP)
I really hated Catherine, she was such an impersonable autist,
>We'll save humanity by launching digital copies of ourselves into space, even though no one else knows, and there's no one even left to rescue us!

>>714240957
Neck yourself, Bunker is the best game Frictional's made so far.

>>714244165
Shes a gay atheist redditor who thought a million spacefaring monkeys would eventually type Shakespeare

>>714236552 (OP)
It's mediocre. A true walking/sneaking sim with a mid story.

>>714244208
your burger is ready, sir.

>>714244027
You'd think Catherine would include the legacy scans since they fit into the Ark's purpose as sending the available human brain scans into space to live on in digital form.
On the other hand, Simon is somewhat retarded and the other two brain scans are also probably somewhat retarded so they probably didn't want to deal with them in robot space heaven.

>>714243857
It ultimately depends on whether or not it considered Simon a success since he was by far the closest thing the WaU ever made to what we would call human given the circumstances.
It's just hard to tell what a maybe malfunctioning, self-modifying AI that no one is sure is still just a binary machine or has reached a weird sentience is thinking at the best of times.

>>714236552 (OP)
What would you do if you were end game Simon? I'd try to climb up the gun barrel and just live on the weather monitoring station til whatever happens.

>>714243713
The biggest thing is that the WAU also has the biggest chance of actually keeping real human-humans alive. Not just its new race of homunculi that will either have implanted brain scans or just be gel-borne new humans, but old humans have a chance of being saved and preserved until they can be rebuilt. Hell, there's a chance that it might even be able to reverse death as well, if it could repair brain damage and gaps in consciousness with the scans.

Compared to the Ark, where they're all 100% fake, and honestly, it's pure hell waiting to happen. Being locked in a box with the same 50 or so people for untold thousands of years, having no chance of ever getting back out or remotely influencing the outside ever again, blindly dealing with the fact that you basically have no clue when it'll eventually break down and be destroyed, or just end up smearing the side of some random rock in space.

>>714244256
damn, you sure showed me

>>714244297
The only meaningful difference between Simon-2 and a mockingbird such as Carl is that Simon-2 was driving the decapitated corpse of a human. Mockingbird Carl thought his robot body was human but was otherwise sane, same as Simon-2 before he noticed he was a robot.

>>714244052
It's meaningless if it can't be detected and no one knows and it doesn't change anything. Michael Jackson could've sneaked into your room last night and kissed your little jackson on the head and giggled and walked out, and then he erased his memory so literally no one knows. There's no evidence because he's so good at doing this. What does it change?

>itt
>there’s still people thinking there is a “coin toss”
lmao americunts are irredeemable

>>714243857
The biggest point in his favor is that it's not about humanity, it's the fact that the WAU is starting to infect the biosphere. There's still life out there but it's not being given a chance to persist or evolve with the WAU putting its hands on everything it possibly can to resurrect humanity. It's the question of whether consuming/corrupting everything left on Earth is worth bringing the species back, when 99.9999% of it is dead and those that are left just want to die, and when the species that the WAU will craft will be so far removed from humanity anyways. In many ways, it can still just be boiled down to being an artificial way to preserve legacy like the Ark, but at the cost of every last living thing on Earth instead.

But of course the answer is "yeah it's worth it," because Humanity rocks.

>>714244465
once again i don't get your point, this is completely different than what happen in Soma. If I copy myself into a new body to save myself or whatever, my copy might be saved but I, as a conscious being am not saved, that's the whole and most important distinction. Yes my copy thinks all went according to plan, but I am still left behind.

So, the goal of the game was to transfer millions, if not billions, of digitized human minds to another planet, where they could continue to exist as humans in a new world, right? It's been a long time since I last played it, but this is what I remember. This was done to "save" humanity?

How is this saving humanity? It's fucking stupid. Is this an atheist thing?

>>714244845
Only the people scanned on PATHOS-II get uploaded into robot space heaven. So like, 30 or 40 or so iirc

>>714244845
No, the Ark was just a floating server where copies of humans were stored, condemned to travel through space forever

>>714244845
>millions, if not billions
It's actually a few hundred, if that. Only everyone on pathos-2.

>How is this saving humanity?
It's not. It's allowing a few people to continue to experience "life" as opposed to letting the species go completely extinct.

>>714244950
>>714245001
>>714245054
Okay, thank you. Do you guys feel that if billions of those digitized minds (instead of ~40) were sent into space, that humanity would be saved?

>>714244453
The biggest difference is that Simon 2 is both in a human form AND is free to act of his own volition.
If you can't tell the difference between that and Carl being stuck in a worker bot that can't move or interact with his surroundings then sorry anon but you're a dumb fucking retard.

>>714244845
It's not about saving humaning is about preserving what's left.

>>714236552 (OP)
Scary? I remember that game getting the dumbest player character award from /v/. Probably hard to believe now that we have gen z's everywhere as the average anon.

>>714243721
>each passing moment you could be a different consciousness who inherited the memories while the previous one died and you wouldn't realize it
Stop it, this is scary.
I just calm myself down when I think about this because, realistically, what are the odds that this is the one day where I am conscious? Out of the 18000 das of my life or whatever? Pretty low.

>>714245085
Saved? No. But it happening is still better than it not happening, so it's still worth doing.

>>714245123
Carl's worker bot body got fucked up. Simon-2 could get fucked up and stuck in exactly the same way if something fell on him and smashed his leg.

>>714243143
>>714243427
Nothing indicates to me that it was a surely moment. How the fuck would they even get out of that underwater base? They are smack dab at the bottom of the abyss. It's gonna run out of resources eventually.

>>714245148
>>714245247
What's the lore about the rest of humanity? Is it confirmed that everything besides the facility gone and dead?

>>714236635
i would build a clone army of my robot selves, we would go out and colonize the planet, collect all its resources like some never ending alf-fueld mmorpg, then build a space ship to send our robotselves into the stars for the glory of mankind.

>>714237060
terminating unit01 is a waste of resources. he could help us out later, just write him a note you stupid fuck.

>>714244342
find my way back to the previous Simon and comfort each other in this underwater hellhole

I still think you could totally make a good sequel out of the ending of the game.
>A "Heaven" where new consciences live and some probably have god permissions over others.
Reads like dystopian kino.

On the other hand, I'm glad they didn't do that.

God, I want another horror game as good as this, though.

>>714245085
Humanity, as we understand and define it now, cannot be saved. Pathos - 2 is very likely the very last presence of human life on the planet and it's failing. Humans as a species are going to go extinct, which we do in game, there's no saving it.
It's about what form of limited continuation is best. The ARK project which is just a self-contained simulation but we're still recognizably human in it. Or the WaUs experiments.
The ARK project is appealing to the people in-game because it's the closest form of continuation that's similar to us right now.

are there black people in the ark

>>714245368
It's confirmed that it's some sort of apocalypse. I don't remember if it was meteors or whatever.

Realistically, there could very well be other pockets of humanity left. For example, people that are already in space.

But over 99% of Humanity got wiped out. That is for sure. So it's also possible that in the game we are literally the last "human being" left.

>>714245368
Earth got hit by an asteroid and all the continents burned. The crew of PATHOS-II survived from being deep underwater. There doesn't seem to be any other publicly known underwater projects similar to PATHOS-II, since they probably would have been brought up when the game talks about what happened to the surface and how the facility is all that's left. I suppose it's possible that some countries had secret facilities that could house some people. But for all practical purposes Earth is fucked.

>>714245368
Yes, as far as what's presented in SOMA. The woman you meet at the end of the game is presented as being the last living human on the entire planet.

>>714242982
no, you retard. the crazy jew psychologist made it up because he needed a pilpul excuse to off himself that meshed with his religious beliefs about being god's chosen. and he had to drag all the stupid goyim down with him because even at the end of the world, you cant trust a fucking kike not to sabotage the last vestiages of humanity for his own selfish reasons.

>>714245240
it is scary, but the good news is you it doesn't matter because you can't tell the difference, and because you can't tell the difference you won't think about it ever. Also for what it's worth consciousness is more nuanced than a on/off switch.

>what are the odds that this is the one day where I am conscious? Out of the 18000 das of my life or whatever? Pretty low.
that's the thing though, it's not a coin toss, the fact that you are aware right means that's your day, but you can't tell the difference because you inherited the memories of your previous you(s). Every iteration of you thought the same (what are the odds that this is me right now?)

maybe being a dumb animal wouldn't be so bad...

>>714244357
The Ark is gonna end up going full-Thaw. The first few years will go well, maybe even a couple decades... but sooner or later all that fear and anxiety and existential dread will manifest itself and the last of "humanity" will realize it's stuck in hell until the Ark runs out of power in a few millennia.

>>714245565
>Every iteration of you thought the same (what are the odds that this is me right now?)
I know anon, but the question is valid to the me of now. What are the odds that the past hundred times I've asked this question, it was another consciousness? And only now, when I ask the question, it's me? And tomorrow it will no longer be me? The simple truth of the matter is that the likelihood of that is extremely low.

Also, there's parts of our brain that don't regenerate and stay the same forever, which also points to our consciousness being continuous.

>>714245492
I don't think Catherine would have been quite so desperate to get the Ark launched and have /something/ remaining of humanity out there if they knew there were things like human space colonies.

>>714245758
I mean, anon, even now, if an asteroid wiped out the entire planet, there are human beings in space right now. Let alone in this sci-fi future.

>>714245728
No, it'll be alright. Eventually, space-ferring aliens will pick us up and insert the ARK into their super computers and learn about humanity. Then they'll make physical flesh and blood clones and base them on the brain scans, so humanity will technically be reborn.

>>714245797
That's true but they'd be as fucked as if the President was able to get down into a bunker. As fucked as all the people living on PATHOS-II. Well, slightly less fucked than PATHOS-II because of the lack of monsters trying to put you in the goop, but just as inevitably dead.

>>714245916
At least they'd have a good view in space. Imagine dying at the bottom of the funking ocean.

>>714245565
>>714245741
>Spent whole day jacking off and procrastinating from playing vidya
>This was my one day of living before I got replaced
HOW WAS I SUPPOSED TO KNOW THAT? FUCKING BULLSHIT

>>714245741
it's not low, it's 100%. Each iteration has 100% chance of being itself, but because you all share the exact same memories it feel as if you asked that same question over and over and can't possibly suddenly be the short stra. But the reality is you just got picked and the proof is that you are self aware. Good night, anon.

>>714246035
>Wake up Sunday morning
>MFW it's a beautiful day to enjoy life
>MFW tomorrow's conscience is getting a shit day where they do nothing but get tired
KWAB

>>714246156
Anon, I realize that, but you are not realizing what I'm saying. I will try to simplify it.
The odds of me only being conscious on this particular day and not any other are extremely low. Ignore who asked the question or how many times the question was asked. Just focus on this simple statement.

>>714245797
No doubt there are pockets left here and there but they're gonna die eventually and Earth can no longer sustain life.
I don't get your insistence on there being more people alive here and there. The big thinken issues the game is bringing up isn't the here and now but is instead the future or rather the lack of ones humanity is faced with.

>>714245368
a comet hits the earth, the earth is entirely engulfed in a fireball, everyone not in some kind of shelter dies. The people in pathos-II survive because they are in a deep sea research base. They have no contact with anyone else so they assume everyone else is dead. One of the staff swam up to the surface using the launching tube as a guide and discovered that while most of the above sea structures were in fact infact, the air was toxic. That person was able to recover some canned food, eat it, and then promptly died from exposure to toxic atmosphere.

There could possibly be humans left alive on earth, but theres no way for the people on pathos to find out so they just assume everyone's dead. It's kind of a baseless assumption but the game's story got changed halfway through and there were budget cuts after a few delays so you just take what they give ya. Since space was unaffected by the comet hitting earth, presumably they had full access to communication satiletes so thats their basis of everyone being dead: no response from global coms.

of course when you see how crazy the pathos-II future tech is, it makes it really really hard to believe that there werent other deep sea bases, high tech bunkers, or even space bases by the time this story takes place. They had their own power plant, foundary, and multiple autonomous factories for making advanced robotics. That's a crazy multitrillion dollar set up for 10 scientists and a handful of maintence staff.

>>714246262
sure but that's irrelevant, that's like saying the odds of me being born century year rather than the millions of years of our species existence is very low. But it has zero impact with the fact that I am alive right now and that I will die soon. Don't close your eyes, anon, it's your only day.

>>714245546
>The woman you meet at the end of the game is presented as being the last living human on the entire planet.
As far as she's aware.
And even if she wasn't the last man on earth, she is the definition of an unreliable narrator. There might or might not be other remnants of mankind left, but it's in her selfish best interest to fool you into launching the "Ark" and she'll ready to lie for it, just like with the whole coin toss bullshit.

>major game objective is to get the Ark away from the WAU
>who knows what the creepy ass WAU might do with the human brain scans
>shoot the Ark into space, maybe aliens will find it and give us new life
>aliens find it
>they're the torture rape slavery kind of aliens

>>714246406
>sure but that's irrelevant, that's like saying the odds of me being born century year rather than the millions of years of our species existence is very low
Correct, which is actually how I cope with the concept of afterlife and the existence of either reincarnation or some process I don't understand that is similar to reincarnation. I was alive in those times too. *Dabs*

>>714246382
Doesn't matter what fancy facilities they have, if the entire atmosphere has been burnt. Sure, there were probably a bunch of holdouts in deep facilities, but it doesn't matter because no more air, no more food, maybe no more potable water. WAU will have it's hands full keeping the seas from going toxic without a breathable atmosphere.

>>714245879
>Unfortunately, with space being so mind-bogglingly big and all, the chances of being picked up are two to the power of two-billion, seventy-nine million, four-hundred and sixty thousand, three-hundred and forty-seven to one against. Which, by a staggering coincidence is the number of a post written by a very lovely girl whom anon totally blew it with.

>>714244802
What if you were already copied a billion times but you don't know this and no one knows this. all the copies fell into a black hole that no one saw.

>>714246479
what if you reincarnate as a fly that gets eaten by a spider?

>>714246720
Then I get reincarnated later as another thing. That's no different from saying "What if you stub your toe really badly tomorrow? So badly, you split your nail and it hurts like nothing has ever hurt before?". There's more after! Human beings are one of the few species on this planet that have more than an instinctive fear of death and actually get existential about it. Maybe there's a reason for that.

>>714241481
What happened to these guys? Are they still around?

>>714237060
Why? Once he's awake we'll never be virgins again!

>>714246692
if i can't tell the difference it ultimately doesn't matter. Same as being hit by a meteor while you're sleeping. But if I want to save myself by transferring my consciousness on the moon or something i'll definitively be able to tell the difference since I'd still be stuck on earth after the so called transfer. Ultimately the result is the same but as a self aware being It makes a difference to me.

>>714246908
He also has a female body.

>coin toss brownoids/amerimutts ruining another soma thread

>>714246936
Well, not to you, but to the next you.

>>714246679
the swimmer who died to the atmosphere could have just as easily died from the bends/decompression sickness. you cant just 'swim up a tube to the surface'. the narration is completely unreliable in this game on every level. unfortunately, the information we get about the setting is from broken monitors and postit notes filtered through the mind of a brain damaged canadian.

>>714246450
>selfish
>lie

what?

>>714243105
From the copy's perspective, it is a coin toss. It was never meant to be taken literally, but if you woke up as the copy and saw the original version of you sitting in the same room, you'd think you lucked out somehow.

>>714247206
no.

>>714247206
Maybe if you're Simon and never had the idea of what's happened to you. Someone like Catherine would always understand that there is no chance involved and her copy would also know that. The people who kill themselves also understand that there is no coin toss which is why they plan to kill their non-copy selves to preserve as much continuity for their copy as possible.
Simon's big problem with comprehending the copy process is that he didn't even know they would be copying his consciousness in any meaningful way. The future people all have lived in a world where you can copy a consciousness.

>>714247220
I forgot that for autists you always have to include "It's possible that..." to the start of a statement that may or may not apply to every single person on the planet. So it's possible, dare I say likely, that it feels like a coin toss to someone who doesn't know what's going on. For someone who knows how it works, it'll be obvious.

>>714247353
Simon's a fucking retard for still not getting it after the third fucking time though.

>>714247206
I guess you can kind of push it in that when you wake up as a copy and you know the other one is dying, you can go "Oh, sick, I get to live a life now, all these memories aren't actually mine but now I'm living"

Still, for all intents and purposes, if you wake up as a copy, then you already know you won the coin flip, and that you were always destined to win the coin flip. More importantly, if you are in the middle of living your life, and you know you are about to copy yourself and die after, then you already know you lost the coinflip.

So the coinflip is inherently still a silly meme.

>>714247431
pls understand low tech copy of a brain damaged canadian

>>714236552 (OP)
>take the most generic sci fi plot ever
>replace clones with robots
>forget to add a story and just make up some bollocks last minute
>critically acclaimed masterpiece

I still don't understand if WAU went insane, or the artificial equivalent of insane, and decided to hook up whatever humans it could get to itself to torture them for as long as it could or was it genuinely trying to save whatever's left of humanity through horrific biomechanical modifications.

>>714246459
by the time it gets found, they'll be luck to not have gone full Hellraiser in there. Those rapey aliems will crack it open only to find pic related.

>>714242368
I swear to god people have gotten worse about the coin toss over the years. Even when you cut and paste something on a computer it deletes the original.

Even a 25 year old cartoon understands SOMA better than people today

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUXKUcsvhQc

>>714247738
Look, WAU is doing his best. He wasn't trained for any of this, and is having to learn as he goes, so there is going to be mistakes. But don't worry, so long as he can keep his systems going he can just keep trying!

>10 years later
>TEN YEARS
>"people" still think the coin-toss is real.

>>714248028
I think people just know that coin toss is the easiest way to bump these threads. It's guaranteed bumps every time. A Soma thread goes from 5 replies to at least 100 if you have a couple of cointoss non-understanders.

>>714248073
Imagine being too stupid to understand why the coin toss is real even with the cut-paste analogy

>>714247738
It went offline for several days after Telos annihilated the biosphere as it assessed its mission directive to preserve life in light of the now destroyed planet. It seems that it was genuinely trying to fulfill its mission by doing its best to create life that could survive the new conditions of Earth. In the cold soulless way that only an AI could.

>>714248043
So eventually WAU would recreate humans but artificially like the Cylons?

>>714245307
Two Ways:
1) The WAU is already shown to be able to bind human physiology onto aquatic life, so the first wave of humans might be fishmen that will crawl out off the ocean floors and onto the shores of Earth in an act retracing the initial steps of evolution
2) The WAU actually probably won't run out of resources. It's already figured out how to configure the structure gel in a way to be able to produce more. Give it XXXX years and the cancerous growth of the WAU might actually reach right up to the surface and human can just climb right out of their techno-organic womb.

>>714248252
Nah, it would create things that just barely qualify as being "alive" but satisfy a robot's idea of what is a living being and it would force these things to be alive in perpetuity. Forever.

>>714248252
maybe.
Remember the WaU was just a simple administration AI that has suddenly and exponentially changed/evolved since the extinction event. It was made to do busy work and keep the base running smoothly in the background so the humans could do research. It is not designed for anything it's doing now and no human had a hand in it.
For a playing god analogy it's not made in our image anymore and it's trying to recreate something not made it its own either.

>>714246459
>who knows what the creepy ass WAU might do with the human brain scans
This has always been funny, given that Catherine was only able to complete the Ark thanks to the WAU's fucking with brainscans, both in creating the technology in the first place that she used to get the scans, and the fact that it was one of the WAU's experiments that did the legwork to actually shove the damn thing into the space cannon. That being said, that experiment was also a retard that annoyed her, and given how petty and callous Catherine is, she might say it evens out as a negative

>>714248028
That cartoon rules lol
The concept of a human copier from whatever sci-fi story first came up with this shit really has haunted us forever

>>714248352
>a robot's idea of what is a living being
Isn't the whole idea of the Cylons that they saw metal as a evolutionary dead-end and wanted organic bodies to be truly "alive" and reproduce? If WAU keeps pumping out biomechanical lifeforms it would eventually lead to a dead-end where these lifeforms die.

Thinking back to the Ark, wouldn't anyone who has admin power essentially be a god? Like you could play with the will of the people in the ark and treat them like Sims with console access.

>>714248648
Recall the gameplay segment where you alter the simulation around Brandon Wan over and over to lull him into a false sense of security to rip secret information from him using the identity of his loved one before either leaving him in perpetual nothingness or erasing his copy altogether.

>>714248352
If this were true, it would've stopped at corpses merely being puppeted by structure gel, like the rat that Simon finds, or it would've stopped with the simplest of mockingbirds that could walk around but are completely insane.

The WAU is strangely driven, doing things it should have no concept of and clearly striving for an ideal that goes beyond any simple and robotic qualification of function. The fact that Simon exists at all, and especially in the exact form he exists in, shows that the WAU is trying to not just bring back human life but do so in a way that they would actually be content with, not its own simple parameters for a basic form of "life"

>>714248769
The copies don't perceive the power off nothingness.
This is why from the second simons perspective it went from a brainscan in Canada to Phobos 2 in a instant.

>>714236552 (OP)
>Simon in space is having cyber sex with Catherine RIGHT NOW
I'm jelly

>>714248875
Catherine, while in the door opener, expresses discomfort with the idea of being turned off, while also acknowledging that being turned off and on is like blinking and finding herself in a new place and point in time.
It makes sense that you can't perceive nothing. What would there be to perceive?

>>714239331
>anon becomes a vegetable
>can't move anything, not even blink
>he wants to die, but nobody wants the responsibility of killing him, so they leave it up to him
>Just pull the plug, anon! It's your life. It's your choice
>mfw

>>714239647
>plot twist is ayyy lmaos
>Rebirth is le good guys!
Stop being retarded.

This game really shows of the level of media literacy the average /v/ user possesses.

>>714241798
The retards believe the transfer happens like a reverse fusion dance in DBZ, where it splits the two people apart and one randomly gets tranferred to the new body.

>>714249605
I dunno about media literacy but it's definitely telling how many people can be lied to so easily.

>>714249704
I think it gets confused too much with something like the Prestige where from one thing there is suddenly two. But it's not like that. A new body and form that may or may not be the original is not immediately created. Once the brain scan is completed, there is the same body and a new data file on a computer. They remain very clearly delineated with no room to ever mix them up.
Something like the Prestige or ye olde teleporter cartoon leaves it ambiguous to if you can ever tell which is the original and which is the copy, and the copy is formed immediately.

>>714236552 (OP)
the robot is just a means to an end, it presents a way for the coin flip to be explored, the true fear is centered on mortality, loss of consciousness, which the robot faces same as man with the station facing permanent shutdown.

>>714240957
Contrarian retard take based on nothing but the /v/ circle jerk of cynicism. Bunker is a fantastic game.

>>714249984
Why are you getting into what is and isn't the original in the context of SOMA?
There is zero ambiguity as to who is the original. The problem is there is no pause in continuity so midwits, both ingame and IRL, don't understand why they, being the origin of the copy, didn't "make the journey" over.
It's mindblowing how a in story character who didn't understand the process but was incredibly outspoken about their misunderstanding has convinced so many people of something that isn't even a factor.

>autists screeching about simon being a dumbass when he literally has brain damage

>>714248028
There's no "the original". Do you even understand what the game said about consciousness?

>muh ark is a prison
wasn't there dialogue about potentially remote controlling machinery that survived on earth from space?

>>714252743
no

Thank God that this game isn't and will never be reality. Consciousness cannot be made or uploaded to a computer. All life is God breathed.

"And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being." - Genesis 2:7

>>714252138
>Why are you getting into what is and isn't the original in the context of SOMA?
Because I think the extent that most coin flip smooth brains put into it is
>copy person? coin flip? That's like the Prestige. I like the Prestige.
and ignore the demonstrable differences, ending up believing that there is an element of chance to who continues and who is left behind. Kinda like how Simon doesn't want to see it even though it should be obvious to him after what happens to Simon-2, except dumber because they're stupid and Simon is coping.

>>714252909
fair enuff.

>>714236552 (OP)
Those "robots" where not meant for people, so I'm actually surprised we didn't get a solid five minutes of Simon freaking out that he can't breather/smell/taste

>>714240046
Underrated post

>>714252721
Sure there was an original. He got brain damage in a car accident and died. Computers were able to put together several reconstructions of his personality based off of a scan of his brain. We play as three of them. An untold number of them were also used for decades of research and likely were subjected to all kinds of simulated torment so that's fun to consider as well.

I hate Catherine. She took advantage of a retard to further her own goal.

>>714253369
She's autistic so it's retard on retard crime and cancels out.

>>714236552 (OP)
>Everyone older than me is a boomer.
The fuck is wrong with zoomers?

The point the game makes repeatedly is that consciousness is an emergent property. It is simply a hallucination created by brain chemistry and neural synapses.

What people often misunderstand about the "coin toss" is that they assume consciousness must be some metaphysical concept tied to a physical body, when in reality it's a framework of identity grounded in the continuity of mental states.

There is no "original" or "copy" when a branching process like the brain scan occurs. Both are subjectively valid continuations, diverging only after the moment of duplication. The metaphor reflects the uncertainty from a first-person perspective. It's not about whether a copy was made, but which version you'll continue being.

Personal identity is tied to the continuity of mental states, not to physical substrates. In a deterministic process of mind copying, the coin toss is a matter of perspective rather than chance. The 50/50 is merely the ambiguity of which version will carry on your stream of consciousness.

>>714252223
More like
>autists screeching about Simon being a dumbass when he's literally Canadian

>>714252743
>>714252760
In my dreams there was

>>714253369
What's worse is she never had sex with him.
>b-but the Ark versions
Show me the footage.

>>714248028
oof as much as that cartoon does an excellent job, there are plenty of cases where information of the original copy is readily available. For example, with the delayed destruction scenario —knowledge of how the device works would inform the body copy emerging from the #2 refrigerator to understand that itself is a copy, thereby completely undermining the whole dilemma. They could confirm this by saying "who has the most recent memory of coming out of the #2 fridge? the owner of that memory is the copy, therefore the other is the original."

Now even if you don't know how the machine works and you believe you're "moving", the same underlying logic is happening. A copy of you is made and you are destroyed. That copy now occupies a new consciousness which you do not have access to (as far as we understand it currently), but the brain of the copy BELIEVES the consciousness is continuous. This is the precise reason the delayed destruction scenario will have both bodies yell out "I'm the original!" However, all it takes is an advanced brain scan to read the memories/patterns of each to determine who's really the original —because both brains will be operating differently based on their slight differences.

Unless I'm completely wrong, it seems super clear to me who's the original and who's the copy. It's really important to be certain that whoever steps into fridge #1 is considered the original, even if it was previously a copy. The copy in #1 becomes the original as soon as the "teleportation" process begins.

>>714248028
What the fuck. I never saw that cartoon. I'm guessing it didn't air for long? I wonder how I'd react seeing it for the first time as a kid.

>>714248028
Kino

>>714242861
iirc WAU only like a week worth of power left anyway so everyone would die either way.

>>714256007
You recalled incorrectly.

>>714256378
I don't remember if it was in-game, but in the Transmission series it was shown that it's running on battery power after some chick turned it off. I suppose the series might not be canon though.

>>714245368
>>714245546
>>714246450
Yeah I don't know why/how they're all so adamant on assuming there's no one else out there, like you'd think there'd be some kind of major efforts to build vaults or some shit in anticipation

>>714256589
If it's canon then the WaU has got between 20 and 50 days of power left.
The bigger problem with that theory though is that Simon turns the geo-thermal generators back on when he's bumblefucking through Uplison so the WaU is back to having unlimited power.

>>714257163
Ah, I suppose that was a thing. Oh well, the world's fucked anyway.

What even is this nonsense about one comet wiping out all mankind and 'lighting all the continents on fire' or whatever

>>714257476
Comets are scary quick (meaning hard to deflect) and one big enough could probably cause a mass extinction event.
That said they could easily pull off a "unreliable narrator" bit since it makes no sense that there would be only one underwater base like PATHOS in the entire world and all long-term survival shelters stopped existing.

>>714248028
Great cartoon and legitimately a better payoff at the end than SOMA

>>714257476
>>714258095
what I don't understand is why wasn't the underwater base had more humans? by that I mean why didn't people create more underwater bases as safe havens from the comet? also it's safe to assume that people in nuclear submarines when the comet hit are safe, so humanity still exists outside the computer simulation satellite hell
also how come every time a meteor, asteroid, comet threatens to crash into earth people say it's useless to launch nukes at it?
>muh firecracker outside vs inside hand
there's over 10k ICBMs on earth and I'm pretty sure if you keep hitting an asteroid with it it will break off into smaller pieces, there's plenty of craters left by nuclear testing, now imagine if they had used the same spot same crater with each test, the crater would get deeper

>>714257163
>>714257424
The power station at Upsilon is heavily compromised and probably won't last long

>>714261618
Its one thing to survive the impact safe underwater, its another to actually keep surviving after

You're not answering the full dietary needs of a whole bunch of people with tossed-together hydroponics

>>714240957
bunker is great. kys you contrarian /v/aggot

>>714236552 (OP)
i'm not surprised it went over your head, zoomer.

>>714242982
a dumb premise. perfect copies exists irl. its called twins usually that are genetically 100% identical. They just started diverging from the moment of birth with different experiences. A copy made later of you, like the various simon(s), are just effectively twin brothers that share memory of previous life up until the moment of creation. from which point their experiences start to diverge

>inb4 simon stuck in dead female corpses
does not matter, his mind is clearly intact and male. He will never be a woman

>>714237060
i euthanized him because he would've freaked out if he woke up and realized that he was on the losing end of the coin toss.

>>714261618
You can just headcanon that there are survivors, they just can't reach out because of storms/heavy interference and any on-the-ground comm infrastructure being fucked.
> there's over 10k ICBMs on earth
If the comet is big enough a small ICMB might not make enough of a dent to crack the thing and hitting the same spot isn't easy. And after you break it apart you still have to deal with the smaller pieces which are still dangerous, especially if it's a planet killer. It's also really difficult to hit a comet when it's far away because of how fast they move, but the closer the comet is the more dangerous it is.

Still, I wouldn't think too deeply into it. They probably thought that if a giant rock was enough to kill dinosaurs, then it'll be good enough for the story without actually considering the specifics of the event.

>>714257476
its called an extinction event and this has happened on earth in real life my mentally challenged friend.

Chicxulub impact crater. a big rock about 10+km in size smashed into earf at 20 km/s. instantly setting continents on fire while temporary raising the temperature on the other side to 100 degrees celsius. its aftermath pretty much wiped out the dinosaurs and allowed mammals ancestor, a small rat sized rodent, to become dominant. Giving way to all mammals divergence, including humans 65 million years later

Somas happening was a larger version of that. although they seemed to have retconned its impact site as you can clearly see central africa has holes in it and pieces missing. while official game version is that it crashed into the pacific

>>714261674
I'm sure the WAU can fix it.

>>714263269
The idea of it scorching the whole planet's surface is hard to believe

And dinosaurs didn't have human ingenuity to prep for it, and even then I doubt they all keeled over right away

>>714263391
scorching the atmosphere kills food chains, starting with its most basic fundamentals like plankton and photosynthesis, which collapses anything higher up it like big lizards like dinos. Yes they literally all died within months to years after the impact

as for soma the atmosphere is unbreathable and everything is one fire. Whatever survived on land in bunkers will suffocate and boil alive in no time. Whatever ships were left floating, like the transporter supplying the base, are sunk or dead husks floating in the seas

there could be something in space but they never expand on that what is up there and how self sufficient they are

>>714237060
No. It was still me. If I ever change my mind I can just self-terminate later.

>>714263958
>I would rather wake up in a horrifying hopeless situation and realize I have to kill myself painfully than just have someone pull the plug before I ever gain consciousness

>>714236552 (OP)
Fuck off, its one of the best written horror games out there, with strong atmosphere and amazing visual design.

The only thing that keeps this game away from 10/10 is lack of neat puzzles.

>>714264528
It had one real good one

>>714264408
Unlike Simon I'm not a retard and understand how this whole thing works. If you're alive and capable of movement the situation is not hopeless.

give me a single game comparable to Soma, I need to play something interesting

>>714266239
balatro

>>714266336
Saying Soma is equivalent to Balatro is an insult to Balatro desu.
For one, Balatro doesn't have an utterly braindead protagonist who can't understand that in the coin-flip metaphor, both instances win.

>>714269130
does when i play it :)

>>714237060
It's not my place to kill him. He can kill himself if he wants to, but in his shoes I'd have tried to make my way to the surface and see what the damage was.
You don't KNOW there wasn't someone that survived.

>>714243427
I unironically agree. It was better for humans to keep existing as kind of monsters (and there were several that retained their human intellect, like the dude you have to evade near the end) than go quietly into the night. The WAU didn't do anything wrong and it shouldn't be shut down, if for nothing else than for the lulz of seeing how it repopulates the planet.

>you lost the coin flip
How do you cope with this?

>>714270130
Realize that as long as I have conscious thought, I won the coin flip because neither instance loses the coin flip metaphor; I then go about my day.

>>714243427
>It's horrifying now
Is it, really? Remember, our protagonist himself is a WAU creation, and he's incredibly human already.

>>714236552 (OP)
Op sounds like he's lost the coin flip

The coinflip throwaway line has completely ruined discussion of this game forever.

Because people keep using it over and over as bait.

>>714270130
As long as you have full memory until that second, you always win the coin flip. Assuming the other "clone" dies.
This is also how teleportation works (In theory duh), you disassemble>send>reassemble, there are always two copies, but the left behind is destroyed in the process.

>>714241798
that's the best description I've heard of what the coin toss is. Although of course the coin toss is also a rhetorical tool for Catherine to try and convince doomed humans to help launch her ark, by giving them hope of something that can not actually happen.

>>714263391
>The idea of it scorching the whole planet's surface is hard to believe
It shouldn't be, we're pretty sure a comet just passing nearby is why australia is a gigantic fuck off desert instead of rainforests and jungles.

>>714247738
I really like that the insane AI didn't become a predator on humans. Just a realistically dystopian idea of what soulless thing an AI might do.

>>714247738
Its simply following its programming without the understanding that quality of life is as important as the life itself

>>714273071
No, that's because the abos burnt it down.

>>714274054
I'd rather say it was space debris lighting the whole continent on fire (which is likely is because there's a shitload of ash build up in one layer ain the sea around australia indicating it all happened at once) than ever give abos credit for exterminating megalania

The bit with Akers was upsetting, I don't like when things scream and run at me in the dark.

I like how no one ever mentions how the "coin toss" is literally faith for low iq canadians. Simon was probably an indian. Now that I've put this idea into writing it actually explains so much about the scenario and the writing. A canadian with brain cancer is scanned and wakes up in the future coping every step of the way. Even believes himself to be fair skinned. My god. It makes too much sense actually.

>>714248252
>>714248352
>>714248404
It wasn't built to accomplish such a task but it is definitely shown to be getting better. The main argument is whether you feel humanity's potential survival (in some form) is worth the individual suffering the experiments go through as it figures things out.

Guys, how DO we know that just going to sleep doesn't extinguish our consciousness to be replaced with a fresh one?

>>714274653
Consciousness is not emergent, it's universal and singular.

>>714237794
>it
that's you

Why would someone kill the WAU? Explain the thought process to me.

>>714236552 (OP)
>Boomers
Are you a Millenial trying to shift the blame?
t. 'llenial

>>714256007
Then left behind Simon could have helped restore power to it and wake up more kinda lucid brain scans.
If it werked once before, it'll werk again.

>>714237060
Yeah, it's what I would've wanted

>>714247607
>>critically acclaimed masterpiece
nigga it didn't even sell well

>>714237060
I think the best part is either is correct. Since it's (You) you know exactly what you would prefer be done.

>>714275041
Its an evil fucking black goo robot that makes nasty monster fish, fuck it

>>714254127
the beauty of the cartoon is that it also addresses original sin. does the copy inherit the fault of the original for committing suicide? or murder like the woman who then uses the device?

>>714275075
>Gen X trying to start shit

>>714236552 (OP)
you don't know right now if you are the memories of a brain scan that will eventually be put in a robot, it could be your conscious right now

>>714265447
>If I was Simon, it wouldn't have went down like it did. There would have been a lot of WAU blood in that room and then me saying "Ok, I'm going to go somewhere safely, don't worry."

>>714274653
Going to sleep =/= brain off

>>714262472
i'm also a contrarian for not enjoying mcdonald

>>714236552 (OP)
The copies are just AIs that think they're the original. I wonder how such a mind would take this knowledge if it ever becomes a possibility to "upload" a person? Most media either has them being cool with it extremely fast or going insane.

>>714275646
>"We are all aware that the senses can be deceived, the eyes fooled. But how can we be sure our senses are not being deceived at any particular time, or even all the time? Might I just be a brain in a tank somewhere, tricked all my life into believing in the events of this world by some insane computer? And does my life gain or lose meaning based on my reaction to such solipsism?"
>Project PYRRHO, Specimen 46, Vat 7, "Activity recorded M.Y. 2302.22467. TERMINATION OF SPECIMEN ADVISED"

>>714266239
the talos principle. Fantastic game and much better than Soma. Also it's not a walking sim (shut the fuck up niggers I can already see you all coming at me just to say you walk a lot)

>>714276348
How's the second one? I loved the first.

>>714236552 (OP)
do you think he could ever reach the surface walking on the ocean floor?

>>714276664
I played it 20 minutes because it was Smear Engine 5 and ran like shit but what I experienced was disgusting. Like saturday morning cartoon garbage (you have a purple smoke ghost showing up at the beginning, no joke). Felt like I was watching a sitcom. Many reviews also mention completely dumbed down puzzles and constant rambling from your unit buddies. It felt like a parody of the first game and the worst part is I saw a comment on reddit from one of the dev who low key said "yes we wanted something completely different, deal with it"

>>714276953
No, between the pitch blackness, sheer distance, the wild jagged nature of the sea floor, he'd probably get stuck somewhere or be wandering long enough for his battery to go dead

>>714276953
Simon-2 has a better chance of reaching the surface.

>>714276953
Walking, no. Constructing some basic craft? Absolutely.

>>714277156
Yeah how these things are powered is something I'd be immediately concerned with. Having most of my faculties means we can still get a bit done to helping man get back on his feet, but any plan is going to need time.

>>714243893
>>714244465
You're trolling right? Can never tell in Soma threads due to the retardation

>>714276664
don't listen to the other anon, Talos 2 is a great game and while the puzzles are easier they are not unfair as some of Talos 1 puzzles were

>>714278742
there was no unfair puzzles in the first game outside of the stupid stars. Unironically a skill issue. No wonder you think the dog shit sequel is good, it's been designed for mouth droolers like you, both story and gameplay.

>>714263269
Chicxulub impact was pretty weaksauce compared to the Great Permian Extinction event that basically only Lystrosaurus survived because it had big lungs and could hide really well. Those must have been some really wild fucking times because the skies rained acid non stop that turned into nerve gas when it hit the oceans and the whole of Eurasia was turned into a gigantic lake of lava.

If I recall correctly, when you get attacked by one of monsters, you are dreaming of your past life in apartament then you realize its illusion because you are plugged in, into wau goyslop machine and wake up.

Why not just continue dreaming

>>714280213
I wish I could

>>714280140
FLOOD BASALT

>>714280437
>and then one day, for no reason at all, Russia just fucking exploded

>>714247137
The Ark was a vanity project the one cunt was doing.

https://qntm.org/mmacevedo

>>714236635
What if I was a horse.

>>714236552 (OP)
it's not being a robot the problem it's being the last living thing on a now scorched planet, imagine living without the internet as an immortal undying machine, fuck that

How do you escape form the Ark if you get tired of living there?

Soma is unironically frictionals magnum opus, every game after is so fucking shit

>>714237417
I can hear this gif

>>714243086
Do you not know what the word illusion means

>>714237060
Yes because that place was scary as FUCK and waking up in a place that scary, and this time completely alone, would had been a very fucked situation.... but now if I replayed, I wouldn't, because knowing that I am going to stay behind, I could try to go back there and make a team with myself

>>714282847
No

>>714283560
>he didn't know he was going to both get on the ark and not get on the ark until it happened

>>714283421
Do you know what the word experience means? How do you know what you experience "really happened"?

>>714283084
The Bunkers good

>>714282847
You ask the admin to delete you.

The game is perfectly paced by the time you get to the spacegun it feels like you finished a marathon, very few games get that.

>>714283084
Bunker was great though?

i didn't understand soma

>>714242982
There is no such thing as a “soul”

>>714236552 (OP)
heh, op just lost the coinflip

>>714236635
Well then I wouldn't need to put on a special suit to go to the ocean floor.

>>714285050
Go back to Tumblr.

>>714274653
The way brains work, mostly.
it's workings aren't linear enough for that to happen.

>>714242982
There's no reason it would not.
>>714285050
Materialism is a disease.

>tfw you will never upload your mind in a robot body and not have to eat or drink or even work to live comfortably
it's not fucking fair

>>714285386
Why would that be scarier than other people NOT believing you have a soul and that you're just a piece of animated meat?

>>714285762
You wouldn't even have the ability to feel comfort.

>>714285386
I would claim that a genuine AI capable of thought and self-reflection does have a soul.
Nothing that currently exists is even remotely close to that though.

>>714285771
Trannies are retarded creatures just like that.

>>714285890
is gayming and chasing women at night until jews, jeets, and nogs cause the collapse of human civilization not comfort?

>>714285996
what does atp mean in this case?
i'm assuming he's not talking about adenosine triphosphate

>>714286119
>Whataboutism

>>714286373
"At this point"

>>714236552 (OP)
such a retro gaming rough gem this one. only esoteric boomers will understand

>>714286702
you're taking my post too seriously
let me clarify that my wish to become a robot is more rooted in a desire for immortality and to observe the rise and eventual fall of humanity
basically I don't want to worry about the intricacies of staying alive and just want to see how it all ends while consuming media

>>714283560
>Yes because that place was scary as FUCK
Not really. You already died, and most of the scary was just wifi interference. Worst was over, and the rest was just misunderstanding and miscommunication. Rise up and be a founding member of the new machine Gods that claim the earth.

>>714240957
Bunkers the only one of these games since Amnesia 1 to have any actual gameplay, and it blows both it and all the penumbras the fuck out on those terms.

>>714283858
Cuz it’s not teleportation. Sitting, scanned Simon is the exact same Simon there’s just a new one now too.

>>714285386
prove me you have a soul.

>>714288274
the gameplay was pure ass, the story was ass, the monster was ass.

>>714285386
It's hard to believe in souls when people like you are so clearly barely sentient and incapable of forming independent opinions

>>714288659
You can say you were bad at it anon it’s alright, it’s a lot harder than it’s walking sim predecessors

I might be crazy but I think soma is comfy/cozy/wholesome in its feeling.

>>714288406
Anon what does teleportation have to do with knowing whether any given experience that you had was real or not

WUT IF, WUT IF, eehehehehe
WUT IF TO COPY YOUR CONSCIOUSNESS IT WAS A EITHER A CTRL + C OR A CTRL + V

>>714288945
>barely sentient
Sapient. The term you are looking for is sapience.

>>714290101
You overestimate my estimation of Anon

>>714275571
It still appears very clear to me —the copy would have a copy of the original's intent in every scenario. The original carried suicidal intent, therefore the copy would also carry this.
If I throw a ball into the air and copy the initial conditions. Although each instance of playback may land in different spots due to wind noise affecting the trajectory slightly, each scenario copy still has the "ball is thrown" initial condition.

If the illusion of the "teleporter" is maintained, then the copy would most definitely carry the fault. If I walk into #1 carrying the intent and plan to commit a heinous crime, I won't magically pop out of #2 without that intent.
Think of it this way, if I am hypothetically planning a heist and it involves use of the teleporter to get into and out of the building, the plan won't suddenly cease as soon as I take the first jump AND the charges won't be dropped as soon as I make the last jump to escape. The crime intent and plan are copy-pasted to each instance, hence each instance retains the motivation.

Same thing goes with the murderous woman. The copy carries the memory and brain state of a successfully executed murder. The woman isn't immediately absolved of her crime, and if she genuinely believes she's scott free is equivalent to psychosis and treated as such.

Tl;Dr if original destruction is enabled, law follows and interprets the remaining body as a single continuous entity. If destruction is disabled or delayed, law interprets the copy as a separate entity but receives the same judgement call as the original.

>>714289149
hard and ass aren't mutually exclusive, retard.

>>714276664
Talos 2 is good. I prefer talos 1, but 2 is worth playing imo. The only drawback is the distances between puzzles...but the fast forward button helps.

Really is funny how this game relied on the player being just as retarded as the main character.

There really was no "twist" at the end unless you're literally retarded.

>>714248043
>WAU keep trying
Yep, this is the essence of understanding the WAU. We were only fleeing from prototypes. Working drafts. Refining the designs and removing the horrific elements was literally something that would happen, but later, once the whole "keeping alive" thing was figured out. Then some routine inside the WAU would kick in like "does it LOOK good?" and it would decide no, and the refinement would continue.

>>714236552 (OP)
If you thought this was a bad game anon, then you have garbage taste. This game was an amazing journey that really makes you think.

>>714236635
>Okay but what if you actually were a robot?
Imagine being a C3P0, and the objective is to bend at the waist and touch your toes!

>Oh dear...

>>714295817
>Then some routine inside the WAU would kick in like "does it LOOK good?"
There is no reason to think that the AI would advance to anything other than
>is this amalgamation of flesh and metal technically alive by the coldest, most logical definition of "alive"?

I always wanted to finish this game just to see the story that seems so divisive, but I can't get past the fucking boring gameplay and total lack of horror/spooks compared to their previous games.
I'm convinced Frictional died after TDD and was puppeteered by imposters.

>>714296508
Soma spooks you with existential dread rather than scary creatures.

>>714289746
>EITHER A CTRL + C OR A CTRL + V
That's a faux distinction. In truth even with ctrl+c you cannot ever transfer your consciousness. Perhaps the game didn't beat gamers over the head clear enough that that which truly matters is the body -- the "soma", if you will.

>>714246450
>>714281364
Here hours later to tell you that "the last human on the planet" doesn't refer to Catherine Chun, who wants you to launch the Ark, but Sarah Lindwall, the woman in Tau on life support who wants you to kill her.

>>714236552 (OP)
>I can't believe boomers thought this was a good game.
this but for bioshock, soma was kino. especially water sections.

>>714275369
was about to post this

>>714296338
It's more ambiguous than that. The WaU is now self-modifying in new and bizarre ways and is, if is hasn't already, become a new form of silicone life.
There is genuinely no way to tell anymore whether or not it's going off of cold hard binary logic or if it has abstract thought processes or if it's just evolved to now go through a fancy flowchart instead of a hard list.

>>714237060
Yes. Better for him to die than wake up to a never-ending nightmare.

>>714237060
It would have been OK to kill him before he noticed anything was wrong, because he was still just me until then. Once he noticed something was up, he and I had diverging experiences, and we weren't the same guy anymore. Therefore, it's wrong for me to make the decision to kill him after that point.

>>714296338
But that’s just it-WAU's definition of “alive” is probably so absurdly reductionist it makes taxonomists look like poets. It’s like, if the heart squelches and some signals bounce around in the meat, then *boom*, that’s a win. No need for sapience, no need for sanity, just hit the checkbox that says “animated.” Hell, most of the WAU creations are arguably more corpse than consciousness, yet it keeps pumping out nightmares like it’s working off a QA checklist written by Frankenstein’s microwave. If you’re expecting aesthetic judgment or empathy from an underwater auto-doctor with a God complex, you’ve severely overestimated machine ethics.

>>714301517
That's why the WAU should be murdered at the earliest possible opportunity. It's too alien and unknowable to be trusted to continue.

>>714248868
fucking catherine and her femcel crabs in a bucket mentality. she groomed that brain dead canadian into messing with the wau because she was eternally butthurt that she was stuck in a broken mocking bird robot body, and then later in an ipad.

>>714252784
just you wait. some billionare psychopath will convience normies that you can upload your brain into the cloud and he will convince them to kill themselves because they will think that the chat_gpt simulacra simulating social media is 'really people'.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CqaAs_3azSs

>>714253869
>people misundersto

no. its a trick intentionally designed to make npcs believe they are people on the ark. Catherine even says as much. They made up the coin flip thing to keep people from killing themselves because the psychologist jew justified his suicide by claiming the 'continuity of consciousness' people in this thread are parroting.


The brain scan happens, life goes on for the real person, but the brainscan on the arc thinks they won some kind of lottory and gets to live in blissful ignorance. The psycho-babble injected from the psychologists diary was just his subversive pilpul excuse for his doomsday suicide deathcult and you should at no point take it seriously. The writers were outlining the dangers of charismatic fuckery in end of the world/survival situations and the extreme lengths retards will go to cope with their situation.

>>714262728
write. him. a. note.

>>714282550
>simon has a backlog of over 100 years of videogames on the pathos-II community steam account

dont need the internet at all. grab simon 1, make a simon 3, and host your own lan parties.

>>714304360
>write. him. a. note.
>"good luck asshole *picture of dickbutt*"

>>714254127
That information is available, and I don't think the point of the delayed destruction is to demonstrate that you can't know who's who, or anything like that -- it's just to drive home that there are two distinct identities, not one, and that neither double can claim both identities.