This is basically what high ranked Mario Kart World races have devolved into after the patch

>high ranked Mario Kart

>I NEED to win at this children’s game for five year olds!!!!!
Get a job

>>714273235 (OP)
I thought you guys hated that Nintendo was patching the fun out of the game. Why is having a fun a bad thing now

>>714273235 (OP)
bagging was a thing before. pretty sure you can also do it in 8. That's the stupid shit about the patch complaint, the straights lines and circuits always played exactly the same, the level doesn't matter because no race is actually demanding you to drive really well like in older games. instead you need to get coins and use powerful items to get out of the pack wich isn't impacted by your track at all. differences between karts isn't even big enough to be a real factor.

>>714273235 (OP)
I'll never get people who play this shit competitively, I play with the girl I like and I have the time of my life.

>>714273816
That’s straight up not true. In the three lap races you can get huge breakaways because there’s just so much to shortcut.the intermission tracks are so long and there’s so much extra item boxes that the frontrunners practically can’t frontrun and just get blendered repeatedly, keeping the field tighter together. So by bagging it’s trivial to get first with one big shortcut or a shock dodge at the very end.

>>714273235 (OP)
>make racing game where the most successful strategy is to be in the last position for 90% of the race
Is this the masterful Nintendo game design I've heard so much about?

>>714273235 (OP)
so from this vid I am trying to conclude that it's a better strategy to wait to be in last place in order to win? What's the story?

There is no 'high rank' mario kart, retard.

If you are playing with a group of similarly skilled players, the results are going to be based on item luck

>>714274695
Hello sweetie! It seems you are unaware of the fact that Mario Kart has a ranking system! Each time you play a race your ranking score increases or decreases, depending on how well you did in the race! And everytime you start playing you get matchmaked into a race with similar ranking scores! The more you know!

>>714273235 (OP)
So just like MK8

>>714273816
B-B-bagging? What's that? I only know one kinda game bagging.

>>714273235 (OP)
>ends up with a green shell in 14th place
looks like he would have been better off just driving

>contrarian /v/ must defend 3 minute long straightaways in a racing game

>>714273235 (OP)
that cactus has a dumb character model, looks like a shitty mod

>>714274131
Redditors made competitions out of mario kart and smash bros because of the human need to compete but their debilitating autism made them unfit for normal sports or more skillful video games like the ones on PC so they took what were supposed to be the digital equivalent of friday night board games and make a career out of it

>>714274502
It's called bagging. You deliberately stay in last place because the game will give you the best items when you're there and then you rape everyone at the last second.

>>714273235 (OP)
Not gonna lie, once you find out the game punishes you for playing well, it's hard not to notice it

>>714275656
never underestimate tendee-tism

>>714274342
unless you only play against toddlers everybody takes the shortcuts. intermissions have lots of ramps too. Your victory only comes from your last items and how the others opponents will hit other people instead of you. the race track is irrelevant.

is there a far enough distance where the last placers can't catch up? or dose the item RNG pretty much guarantee god items to last and shit items for first to get fucked?

>>714276247
The tracks are all straight lines, there is no way to get ahead through driving skill. The people at the back have a free comeback every race.

>>714276247
Gold shroom, bullet bill, or even triple shrooms can always help you catch up

>>714276247
as long as you still advance in the good direction you will never really get completely distanced yes.

>high ranked Mario kart

>>714276356
>tracks are all straight lines
Nope.
>there is no way to get ahead through driving skill
Wrong.

>>714273235 (OP)
Is this because of the rubber banding?
I don’t have a Switch 2 so I haven’t played it.

>>714273235 (OP)
>bingtendo does whatever they can to make the game a party racer
>sweats still don't get it
>somehow think they're being taken seriously and not laughed out of the room
Keep it up please.

Good players have better awareness and timing during races. They know when to hold and when to use items to surge so they more consistently grab higher placements.

>>714276870
it's just bad item balance, the items you get from being late are so powerful, that having 2 of them at the last turn/end of the intermission are enough to go from last to first. And it's a safe strategy because being in the middle pack or head makes you exposed to a contant hellfire of blue shells, red shells, lighting or just other people pushing you out of the track

its a party game. you're meant to laugh at billy hitting you with a red shell while you hit jimmy with a banana peel.

>>714276890
why even have a ranking system then

>>714273235 (OP)
At first I hated the new changes, but then I started playing Knockout mode and I'm having a lot more fun.

>>714273235 (OP)
Notice the green shells. The game has systems in place that punish bagging.

>>714274342
>>714274370
>>714276356
If the intermission tracks were all "just straight lines" you couldn't catch up from a large deficit via speed items alone. Use your eyes, the track in the OP isn't "just a straight line".

>>714277207
why are billy and jimmy playing kart games, the black warriors are gonna kidnap Marian again

>>714275656
So it's like any marathon or cycling (tour de france) where competitors race behind the frontrunners to minimize the stamina drain from wind resistance then surge in the last leg of the race

>>714277507
bagging works really well actually. triple shroom is nearly automatic for late racers. they got green shells there because they stayed too close together.

>>714275450
Sandbagging. Look it up.

I've said it before and I'll say it again. Mario Kart World should have been a rally game that occasionally turns into a party game. Instead it's the opposite.

Nintendo is just incompetent as a developer and they don’t understand how their own game works.
>”we’ll nerf bagging by nerfing the bullet bill and shock”
>bullet bill extensions are stronger in this game (shoutout to the 14 second bill extension on airship fortress, stronger than the cheese land one in mk8dx)
>shock doesn’t hit behind you, so the best way to dodge is to always be in the back and use your items when everyone else loses theirs
>adds 200 straight line tracks with shortcuts that can only be taken by golden shrooms and there is no way for a front runner to break away from the pack
they made this game a bagger’s paradise

>>714273235 (OP)
>>714273321
FPBP

>>714277276
Because nintendo fans are children who get excited when their amount of money in grow-a-garden goes up. Without number get bigger then they won't play.

>>714273235 (OP)
Bagging is actually a TERRIBLE strategy when multiple people do it, as seen in the video, he's not even getting good items because he was not the only moron who purposefully held back at the beginning, meaning that the only thing he did there was lose a fuck ton of advantage trying to "outbag" the other racers.

Yes, even your loser strategy requires some though behind it.

>>714277507
You don’t need to catch up with speed items, since the pack constantly slows each other down while you sit in the back and pick up their coins. The point is to go into the final lap barely behind, but with 2 power items and 20 coins, while the people in front of you have a feather and green shell, and like 5 coins max since they spent the last 3 minutes getting raped by red shells and boomerangs

>>714273235 (OP)
So where’s the footage of this player winning the race? Because I can understand why retards think bagging would be a valid strategy (hint: it really isn’t), but they keep posting this shit as though it’s proof of their belief.

>>714275656
All kart races should have an item stealing/removing mechanic. Holding onto a blue shell for 3 laps should come with risks.

Why cant you just turn items off? Smash does it.

>>714278014
>>714277639
>>714277507
you’re all retarded. he got green shells because he went backwards. if you just slowly tap A towards the item box, you don’t get detected as purposely bagging. and even then, you only get bad items at the first item box if you get detected, you still have 3 laps of nothing to get items before the race actually starts mattering

>>714278187
That's why the lighting and the boos exist anon

>>714277795
and yet bagging only worked last week when only one guy per race did it, and now it's a losing strat because everybody want to do like their streamer.

>>714273235 (OP)
>High VR Deluxe/World games
Its a party game

>>714278327
what are you on about? bagging will be less consistent when more people do it, but that’s only because more people are doing the best strat so the competition is stiffer. that doesn’t mean the person who’s frontrunning has a better time. it’s actually the opposite since more people bagging means more blue shells and shocks.

>>714277795
Being unable to feather shortcuts is a sign of an unskilled player. You deserved to lose. You are a casual baby bitch who hasnt even put 1000 hours into the game.

>>714278257
>if you just slowly tap A towards the item box, you don’t get detected as purposely bagging
You don't actually understand how item boxes work in this game, retard. Let me explain it to you like a toddler: Item boxes check both your current position on the race, as well as your relative distance to the lead players, as well as players in your vicinity, if you have multiple bagging retards alongside you, your chances of getting broken items are STILL lower than if you were actually lagging significantly behind everyone.

>you still have 3 laps of nothing to get items before the race actually starts mattering
Unless you're actually in last place, the retards behind you still get more broken items like lighting. You're STILL going to lose your items eventually if you hold on to them for too long, there's a delicate balance to this and is not as mindless as your puny mind thinks it is

>>714278259
Haven't played the new one. Are people saving last place items, catching up, then using them for clutch moments? If so, game needs more lightning.

>>714274131
>I play with the girl I like
Ask her out, coward.

>>714278592
Lightning is actually disgustingly common in this game, I'm not sure where retards are coming with this "hold on to your items until lap 3" nonsense.

>>714278592
Lightning is ass it only targets those ahead of the person. Baggers behind you with triple mushrooms and a star are untouched when you use it.

>>714278220
mario kart is mechanically quite shallow. there are kart racing games that are interesting without items like kartrider, but those games are never popular because new players get destroyed way to hard and can't cope about random items.

>>714273235 (OP)
fucking kek
$80 by the way.
>but muh bundle $50 price
it's not even worth that

>>714278592
Yes but it was like that in 8 too

>>714273235 (OP)
Proximity voice chat would improve this game six trillion percent.

>5k VR players on /v/ trying to tell me bagging doesn’t work while I just abused it to 8.9k last night

>>714278639
autistic retard

>>714278889
"KEEP GOING FORWARD YOU FUCKING BAGGER!"

>>714278889
proxy vc would make every game better but devs are horrified of players communicating with each other

>>714273235 (OP)
I don't get it but fuck Nintendo.

>>714278995
/v/ don't play the game, they just saw their favorite streamer play it and think they're experts

>>714273235 (OP)
"high ranked mario kart"
Kek

>>714273235 (OP)
>All that for a green shell
Fucking good, sandbagging faggot. I hope we get another update that fucks over everyone who plays like this. Go sweat in Forza or some shit.

>>714273321
holy FPBP

>>714273235 (OP)
when will Wiisnoys stop coping? you did the same in the older games
are you too poor to buy a switch 2? is that it?

>Try harding at mario kart

get a job

Question: What's stopping me from memorizing item box locations, sitting in absolute last place with lightning for the entire race, and then nuking everyone's items on the 3rd lap when they try to do this degenerate garbage? Can you get 2 lightnings?

Because that's how I'd play the game. Fuck winning, I just want to troll losers like this.

>>714276247
The pack moves much slower due to being hit with items constantly, so it's very easy to catch up when you're far behind.

>>714279615
You could do it but its way easier to do in world because of the abundance of straight lines courses. The people ahead of you won't get much further ahead if there's little drifting or obstacles in their way. Do you understand now?

>>714279615
I laughed at the hit at the end

>>714279739
Can't get double lightning, it will likely be a combination of triple mushrooms and another comeback item.
Your up against the other baggers in the back with Mega Mushroom, Star or Bullet holding their items for the regular lap at the end of the track.

>>714279859
you are retarded and can't even play a party game right

>>714278559
>game released less than 1000 hours ago
>snoytendie calls you a "casual baby bitch" if you have put less than 1000 hours into the game
Make it make sense

>>714279791
The pack actually moves pretty fast. Constant draft boosts and using shrooms near other players triggers a speed boost for them too. Thats really the reason first is hard to defend.

>>714280225
cherrypicked

>>714280225
this is the slowest racing game i've ever seen

>>714280225
thats the knockout tour mode and only 8 players there you fucking retard thats not regular races im convinced you dont play the game only tell people its good

>>714273235 (OP)
>HOLY SHIT DRIVING IN A STRAIGHT LINE TO WORK???

NINTENDO TAKE MY MONEY!!!

>>714273235 (OP)
>finally give the online a shot after bro buys a family plan
>all the players are rank 8000-9000 while I am 3000
>every single player has memorized every shortcut and goes for all the sweat strats like the sign jump on DK's track
not complaining since I'm a sweat too but how are timmies supposed to survive this? Is anyone under 16 even playing this game?

>>714279615
>you did the same in the older games
I have never sandbagged a single time in any Mario Kart game, nor have I ever met someone who did. This intentional sandbagging thing is a new trend.

>>714280878
>not complaining since I'm a sweat too but how are timmies supposed to survive this?
Git. Gud.
Stop dumbing down everything for Timmy

>>714280878
Your rank is partially raised based on who is in your lobby. So ranking 10th when everyone else is 7000+ is still going to give you like 500 points.

>>714280878
It's just like when I was in middle school and tried playing Mario Kart DS online only to be met with scores upon scores of cheaters that made me just give up playing the game. I found out years later that they weren't cheating, they were just snaking, but when I was 13 I had no fucking idea.

>>714279615
>Wiisnoys
So mentally broken you brought up sony out of nowhere.

>>714278707
Delete this!

>>714280878
Im almost at 7000 pt and i've never been first once.

>>714280636
>>714280709
>>714280723
Your wiisnoy argument was:
>le straight lines bad because it encourages item bagging
disproved that with the wiisnoy tranny game webm
then you said:
>straight lines le bad because it doesn't allow good driving
which I disproved
Now see webm rel and fuck off 8snoy

>>714280930
No no it's not retard.

>>714280878
Timmy will just play against the Computer or their friends/family in local.

>>714281219
Seething snoytendie

>>714279615
Famitsu sis...

>>714273394
Video games as a whole are for children.
>muh rated R games
we played those as little shits too, so?

For me it's Daisy.

>>714273235 (OP)
Prove they won
>b-but-but
No excuses

>>714280878
Delete this.

>>714281325
It's news to me. I've been playing Mario Kart since the Super Nintendo and this is the first I'm hearing of it in my life.

>>714280878
How much harder is this game than MK8D? I would regularly get 1st in that game, but World seems like it would be harder due to all the emphasis on tricking shortcuts

Since this game is never going to have an actual thread may as well ask it here
I want to get 3 stars in all knockout tour cups but the CPU easily gets to first place at the beginning and it's a bit difficult to catch up. Any tips for that?

>>714273321
high rank Mario Kart and serious business Dark Souls PvP is what happens when you have people with massive egos but IQs too low for actual fighting games

Snoytendies WON

>>714281293
watching you unravel is really something
you console kids are a different breed

>>714281718
You obviously weren't playing online. The only time it wasn't a factor online was DS because snaking was the meta.

>>714281881
Turn all assists and then dont touch the controller at all. No im not joking

>>714281905
>high rank Mario Kart and serious business Dark Souls PvP is what happens when you have people with massive egos but IQs too low for actual fighting games

>>714281746
IMO it's easier, the way its designed its harder for the lead player to maintain their lead

>>714281746
Mk8d had no real shortcuts, everything was streamlined and easy for anyone to pick up. As long as you took the corners tight and didn't fuck up you'd place well.

MKW has track specific shortcuts which are very technical and cannot be realistically performed in a race without practice. You can still place consistently in the middle ranks, and occasionally get a win due to items but if you want to consistently do well you need to know the tracks and tricks.

>>714273235 (OP)
So just like 8 deluxe?

>>714281881
Never leave 2nd place and hold on the a mushroom until the last possible moment and use it to steal the 1st place.
Then go back to 2nd place and repeat.

The cpu is rigged to buttfuck the first at any possible moment.

>>714281881
Some knockout tours really have annoying 1st segments that are glorified spectacles that barely give you enough room to pull ahead of the CPU pack. You're basically at the mercy of 2-3 item rolls.

>>714280878
>sign jump on DK's track
That one's beginner tier. I found out about it when I saw the CPU go for it in single player GP

>>714281293
>webm
Is the good driving in the room with us right now?

>>714280878
Timmy is playing Roblox, not Mario Kart.

>>714273321
This. What kind of tryhard plays Mario Kart at an "MLG" level? It's a game for children and college kids playing drinking games. It's like having a tournament for a Barbie game.

>>714278187
The risk is that you're stuck not using any other items while you hold onto it. That's not going to help you at all. Not to mention you'll lose it to a ghost or lightning

>>714278692
Only double bullet bill can make a difference to go to top places from last, 3 mushrooms and a star are literally nothing. You actually have to be back but not last place to win so you are always at risk of being fucked by a lightning.

>>714282018
yes that's exactly what those people look like, thank you

>compfags and retards doing gay strats to win
Always happen. Me? I'll get a perfect start boost and drive as well as I can with my bowser, always will.

>>714280878
Izat dumpling le heckin marmot?

how would you fix bagging?
hard mode: don't remove the second held item slot

>>714273394
>>714274131
.>why would you try to win at a game?

>>714283638
Have constant item spam be punished with top speed temporarily decreasing.

>>714283638
Console bans.

>>714275527
this

>>714273235 (OP)
>>714273321
Shalom Rabbi

>>714278187
lol this game doesn't have laps anon
>>714283126
you don't need items to pass 90% of the shitters in this game

>ranked mario kart

>>714283638
Execution by Nintendo ninjas

>>714281293
As a third-party observer for this argument, I'm not even sure which stance this webm is supposed to be supporting.
>webm starts 16th out of, presumably, 24
>go up to 2 places to 14th by the end of the webm by essentially driving in a straight line (even fucking up and hitting a dirt patch) because you didn't get hit by any items
>because all the people around you or behind you are holding triple shroom/golden shroom just waiting for one big short cut or people in front to get hit with lightning
>while you yourself are holding triple shroom and bullet bill to take advantage of just one big shortcut on a mostly straight course in the future

I genuinely can't tell which side of the argument this webm is supposed to be on.

>>714281431
>you can back-ride me!
This doesn't mean anything in english, did whoever caption this just translate directly from his native gibberish?

>>714283638
remove the second held item slot, that was a gay workaround they shoved in in 8dx and it was SHIT then and it's SHIT now, returning to holding certain items behind you in order to show you have it/at risk of losing it/at risk of having it taken for the benefit of being able to grab a second item was always the best way of doing it.

What's your favorite kart/bike/sled designwise?

>>714284457
this game looks so bad, why is there so much clipping on all the models

>>714278327
>their streamer.
'Their' Streamer? He's a human being.

>>714284507
because it's made for and sold to people who don't care about that and wouldn't even know what those words mean if you tried to tell them

>>714273235 (OP)
My Mario Kart strategy
>pick my dino
>pick a bike
>race and aim for 1st
Simple as

>>714284864
Based

>>714284864
my strategy is to grind on as many cool rails as possible
and also win by doing it

>>714283267
Yep, most fighting game players are brown

>>714273321
Fucking this
Kill yourself, faggot OP

>>714284507
because its a 24 player kart racing game running at 60fps on a portable PS4
>>714284848
it just does not matter at all
>snow man is so fat steering wheel is in his body i am not having fun :(

just play time trials you fucking turbo faggots

>>714284256
It is regular footage of the game. You can watch and see if it looks appealing or not. There's no trick.

>>714284783
holy LOL.

>>714273235 (OP)
Play locally with friends.

>>714283638
Revert item logic back to how it worked before 8
Bagging only became such a dominant strat in 8/8DX because of Nintendo's changed item logic which intentionally makes item spam more prevalent than all previous MKs
>Items are based off distance to 1st and not position
>Removed the shock cooldown limit so multiple players can hold shock
>Reds have much more aggressive tracking and perfectly follow you around corners even if the guy throwing them doesn't see the target player on camera
>Double item box (only added as a band-aid to fix the bad item design in 8) makes item spam more prevalent and devalues the impact of getting a single speed item so players need to go for power item combos to gain any real positions since many players are all spamming items
>Item pool is bloated with unnecessary items that share similar functions (fireball, boomerang, piranha plant, crazy 8 etc)
World doesn't make many changes to the core item logic design from 8
Most of World's notable changes are making changes to the items themselves like
>Items still based off distance
>Bullet nerf in how players get hit but bullet extensions are still in
>Shrooms got a speed buff
>Shock doesn't hit players behind or if there's a ceiling above you but the core logic is still like 8
>Double item box is still here so power item combos will continue to be the best strat
>Nintendo copy pasted the "bagging fix" logic from 8DX Wave DLC, which didn't even work
>Bloated item pool is still here but it's noticeably a bit better than 8/8DX
Nintendo's attempt to fix bagging in the Wave DLCs didn't work because players figured out how to get around it easily

World actually gives 1st more defensive options than 8 though with the feather and new trick system but since the core item logic is the same, bagging will continue to be a dominant strat

Comp MK faggots are worse than Smash faggots atp. Go play CTR if you want to play a good comp racer

>>714283638
For one thing the blue shell needs to be less punishing. it was perfect in 8 but they reversed course and made it as bad as it was in mario kart 7

I don't care about those retards HAVING to win in Mario kart but i'm annoyed with e-celebsand other retards making everyone play the exact same kart, I fucking hate seeing everyone in my lobbies play the Bloops kart, the first few days of the game were the best

>>714284457
This is the only thing that matters to me.

>>714273235 (OP)
>have devoved into after the patch
retarded nufag.

>>714285593
I know where I stand on the game because I primarily play Knockout Tour online as a dumb party game and enjoy time trials for speed autism, but I was interested in the argument about whether or not bagging is actually stronger in World than in previous games. Not that I'd engage in it because it's not as fun, but I'd still like to know.

Just couldn't tell if the guy who seemed to be aggressively defending the side that bagging isn't any more egregious than previous games and there are plenty of opportunities to beat opponents with better course knowledge and better driving in the intermission tracks was actually doing so based on his posted webm.

>>714286478
I wish it had more colors.

Supersnoys, 64snoys, GBAsnoys, Cubesnoys, DSsnoys, Wiisnoys, 8snoys.....rise the fuck up!

Been trying not to care about VR but once you get up there anything less than 6th just tanks your points, and it sucks getting a high VR only for it to be undone in 3 races because you didn’t make the top 5
>8800VR
>Get buttfucked in a race and end up at 14th
>”Well the race was fun either way, I shouldn’t stress over a lo-“
>-110 points
>mfw
>End up sinking down to 8500VR hell after 3 low placements

>>714286838
its just a number bro. I don't care about it either, i hate lobby switching

>>714286787
wish it had more speed
and inward drift

>>714282204
I think one of the most retarded parts of this argument is how people aren't even consistent on what the fuck bagging even is
There are 24 racers in these racers, if you are in 9th or even 10th then you aren't even really bagging, you're in the middle of the back. This would be like using a golden shell to win while at 5th place in a 12 person race and yeah no shit you can win like that easy.

>>714286478
>all characters stick their ass out with this
>Daisy has the meta stats with this bike
They knew what they were doing.

>>714273235 (OP)
50$ + 20$ online fee to sit in spawn, that is funny as shit

I'm terrible at Mario Kart to the point where I get my ass kicked by CPUs on 150cc.

>>714286787
Saaaame that's my only issue with it. Should have had Green, Orange, Purple, Blacj and or Teal,

>turn ketchup mode into multiplayer

How the fuck did they even design something so fucking heinous, evil and crooked?

>>714287879
>fake fans with no loyalty just like with yoshi in 8 deluxe
Let the tryhards go to daisy. Means I don't ever have to worry about Peach becoming oversaturated online.

>>714289201
All the sheep are flocking to Toadette Baby Blooper anyways because of the smaller hitbox. I just find it funny that being an unashamed pervert is a perfectly good play and no one will bat an eye because it technically has the right stats.

>>714289532
No real point in being super obsessive in this game about the "meta" either compared to 8 deluxe. Miniturbo is nowhere as centralizing as it once was.

>Join random lobby
>22 players
>20 of them play the mini blooper
Boring

>>714286128
>Most of World's notable changes are making changes to the items themselves like
>>Items still based off distance
Inaccurate, items are based off player position and time elapsed.
>>Bullet nerf in how players get hit but bullet extensions are still in
Bullet extensions aren't a thing. Bullets themselves just won't drop you off in the middle of a turn because it's a terrible experience for the player to be dropped out of a bullet straight into a wall or off the map.
>>Shrooms got a speed buff
Shrooms are the same speed as previous games.
>>Shock doesn't hit players behind or if there's a ceiling above you but the core logic is still like 8
This was a good change
>>Double item box is still here so power item combos will continue to be the best strat
Items are automatically 'used' by the player like shells and bananas. The double item box is basically required to persist now unless that change that logic too.
>>Nintendo copy pasted the "bagging fix" logic from 8DX Wave DLC, which didn't even work
As long as the game has better items for lower placements, bagging will always exist.
>>Bloated item pool is still here but it's noticeably a bit better than 8/8DX
Flowers/boomerangs/coin shell/coin box are the only useless things.

>>714273235 (OP)
tendies look at this and be like this gameplay is fire fr

>oh you are 7th and need to be top 4 to not be eliminated?
>here's the coin box, good luck
They need to make the coin box only available at the start, instead of giving everyone 3 mushrooms on the first item box.
Also fuck the boomerang, it needs to be nerfed, 3 throws is too much for a powerful weapon.

bring it back

>>714291634
>17th place
>Oh yeah, here's a coin box
Who even decided which placements get what items? I swear this is the worst item in the game purely because of which placements get it.

I'm so shit at this game I like to play as Wario or Bowser because it makes more sense for the villain to get fucked, today I missed my drift and took the geyser on the dinosaur level, flew into the t-rex that just spawned, didn't take damage and instead fell slowly and then took damage as his feet fucked me

>>714275527
It's not contrarianism, it's them trying to block out buyer's remorse. They just paid half a grand for a Mario Kart game that really doesn't want to be a Mario Kart game.

>>714275495
No
Because even if one pull is bad, driving means you're in the middle of the pack, and guaranteed to have shitty items.
This is how you stay in 14th-8th

>>714286363
DS blue shells were retarded, I remember snaking in Mirror mode grand prix and getting nailed about 5 times a race

>>714286128
8DX allowing custom item balance is what makes the game playable. Lightning, Blooper, Boo, and Piranha Plant are all extremely gay.

>>714273321
This, The only skillful mode in Mario Kart is Time Trial mode. Comptrannies had to ban 90% of the game (12 racers no connectors) just to play World lmao

>>714276247
Hypothetically, yes, but it's hard to understate how much ground you cover if you double item block a gold mushroom and bolt, into another gold and a star, into three mushrooms and a boo, into a gold and three mushrooms, while everyone else is constantly fucking eachother with items, and not getting speed boosting pulls regularly.
There's a reason the most consistent strategy is be in dead last until the last bit, the 1 lap of the track, then snort a line of item cocaine and win.

>>714290670
Unless they make all carts the same stats there will always be one that is better than the others in most cases and will be picked by most players. If they do that then they may as well do the same to characters.

>>714292179
bro just like hold A
if you need items to win at 8000+ rating you are just black

>>714273394
Kids can't afford 527 dollars.

>>714279739
Lightning is on a timer
You can hold it the entire race if you want, and use it that way, though.
HOWEVER
Most high vr players ALSO know about when anyone saving lightning is liable to use it, so will pop stars and boos at that time, so you'll actually more likely help them. They actually plan around people like you existing.
Also you can't sit in place and get items, Nintendo will physically force you to drive if you're not, and iirc nerfs items pulled from box groups you haven't left a certain distance from.
This is why the strat for farming characters involves going O.B between item pulls.

>>714273235 (OP)
This is a game for little kids. Babies fresh out of the womb play this shit.

Why not make the item boxes 100% random?

>>714291634
>Also fuck the boomerang, it needs to be nerfed, 3 throws is too much for a powerful weapon.
Actually most people agree the boomerang is the single worst item in the game, because it glues itself to your inventory and won't fuck off, effectively locking you out of items for fucking ever. At least coins get the fuck out of your inventory

>>714279615
I miss color.

>>714288868
To sell the solution back to you in 6 months for 30 dollars

>>714293098
That would be too much fun, which is not allowed.

>>714289201
>I don't ever have to worry about Peach becoming oversaturated online.

>>714293567
That's not peach. That's toadette

>>714289201
Peach is a meta pick though
pic rel are the best combos

>>714293794
>mario being good in his own game
um, based

>>714293098
The items boxes are coded to skull-fuck you with trash items if you get one from the same set more than once, to punish exactly what you see there.

What the schizos posting these threads won't tell you is that even the pros who hype up sandbagging are consistently scoring worse than if they just race normally. It's one of those arguments where, on paper, this is a winning play but in practice it just fucks up too much to be useful.

>>714273321
HOLY BASED

>>714293794
>meta
>mario kart
lol
you are all faggots

>>714273321
This is why I hate PVP. Everyone is a wannabe pro gaymer

>>714292494
Nintendo should just allow for custom stats to be assigned for private lobbies so people can use whatever character/kart they want

>>714273321
FPBP who the fuck plays mario kart competitively

>>714293794
>use daisy day 1 with no knowledge of the game
>use blooper / mach rocket because they gave the best acceleration without killing too much speed online
>occasionally switch to baby daisy for the extra acceleration
>few days later everyone is calling it meta
I'm not switching just because you faggots all decided it was the best and now hate on everyone using it.

>>714283638
>1. Make more shortcuts not require mushrooms/stars
Part of the problem, is that if you're near the front, you can't take shortcuts, so you are inherently losing advantage to people behind you who are.
>2. Remove the second item slot
Keeping a trailing item is fine, second slots prevent stacking of mushrooms and stars, and smuggling items into the front
>3 Remove item bloat
Right now, there's about a dozen fluff items in World, that do nothing but annoy places 1 to about 10. Fire and frost flowers, boomerangs, this bullshit. If you want variety, fine, you can apply some of these as a cosmetic skin to the basics, but these trash items only really exist to invalidate items as a whole to the front half of the pack. These places get trash, so cannot contest people coming in from behind with triple reds, stars, ect, so they lose ground.
These items being trash ALSO contributes to middle place being awful to exist in. People pull 2 items, both are trash, so they fire them off at random to get rid of them. Half the time you get hit in the middle, this wasn't part of a calculated plan, this is someone who pulled a boomerang and a fire flower desperately trying to unshit their pants before the next set of boxes. If middle place could reliably just be pulling reds and mushrooms, then anyone trying to just blast past gets fucked up, and individual plans to move ahead can materialize, instead of "the pack" being a clusterfuck of npc racers that it's better to just get behind rather than contest.
>Real tracks
Intermissions offer no way to get ahead, period. Intermissions are a part of this formula, there's a reason track bagging looks like just missing your start boost for triple shrooms, while intermission bagging looks like the entire fucking race stopping at the start, and people trying to game the auto-acceleration and lakitu to get behind everyone else.

>>714283638
Second item slot is literally the cornerstone of the Mario Kart clusterfuck.
You think they re-added it to make things less chaotic?

>>714293794
Since when has Mario Kart had Pingu in it?

>>714274342
Bagging was just as strong on most 8 tracks and you usually had 3-5 people doing it. nice way to out yourself

>>714293794
I know just like she was in 8 deluxe. I'm saying i'm glad people are going for Daisy and Coincoffer instead.

>>714295205
No
The balance in 8 was pretty good.
Some tracks favor frontrunning, some bagging, and, shocker of shockers, some tracks favor both, depending on your own stats, and the context you're playing in.
There being a bias one way or another in terms of which tracks doesn't matter too much in the grand scheme, because niether is dominant. You have to be prepared for both.
As opposed to World, where bagging is objectively correct 100% of the time.
The only other time one of these has been as dominant over the other is Super Circuit frontrunning, because Bowser & DK are fucked up.

Why is the blooper in this game? Unlike 8 where it was too common the damn thing is near nonexistent in world compared to even Kamek

>>714286816
Snoytendies... our time is at hand!

>>714293794
None of these matter when you get gangbanged 15m in front of the end line with no way to recover.

They all got single green shells so obviously this doesnt work

Idk bro. Its a party game. imo they should remove 3 lap races entirely

I think they should shuffle stats every patch to fuck metafags , they should add stats to each costume so it takes even longer to test every combo

>>714273235 (OP)
buncha retarded faggots cheesing a kids game to win virtual faggot points, who cares

>>714273235 (OP)
>high ranked Mario Kart

>>714293794
>can use yoshi again without being seen as a tryhard
fuck that shit teddy bear atv.

>>714273235 (OP)
>most of them pull single green shells and are now ten miles behind everyone else
Was this supposed to show that the strat is actually fucking stupid?

>>714275450
Intentionally playing poorly during the early stages of the race to get good items, then you smuggle those good items up and use them at the final portion of the race to take the lead.

>>714296217
This is remarkably ineffective.
The stats that are valuable are consistent, and the perfect combos aren't the product of hours and hours of labbing once the valuable stats are known.
Shuffling the stats will take about 10 minutes to find the new best combos. All it would really do is make the sheep play off combos for a few hours until they saw the pattern and followed it.

>>714296827
Plus people managed to find most of world's hidden stats in less than a month. A stats update wouldn't take long to figure out https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1t3BeXH3shj6Rh7x0ROFD81ZBxyumQFs9pebbnYcfWi4

>>714281431
>Hop in!
You mean hop on, right?

>>714273235 (OP)
>all that faggotry for a green shell

>>714273235 (OP)
>toddler game at mlg pro ultra instinct tryhard minmax sweaty level
kek

>>714284983
t. too low IQ to git gud at a fighting game

>>714296683
Yoshi players are gay

>>714273321
/thread

Yo when is high rank mario party?

>>714293794
>b-dasher: b.mario/goomba/spike
isn't junkyard hog better?

>>714298563
Mario party is chance, there’s no ranked

>>714298279
t. brown that feels smart for memorizing button combos

>>714298682
They have the same speed on roads, B-Dasher has higher acceleration and handling. Dirt and water are somewhat irrelevant, water moreso than dirt.

>>714275527
Not to mention it being a Forza knockoff with that empty open world.

>>714298954
t. brown that feels smart for memorizing mashing roll

>>714298387
And we love them for it

>>714299642
I'm not brown. I don't play fighting games(dying genre)

>>714298563
MKLounge has all the sweats

>>714297314
Man what the fuck was Nintendo thinking with those kart speeds.
>yeah mate let’s give the worst accelerating vehicles in the game the same fucking speed as the 6 accel Blooper

>>714300376
>But...11 speed in water! Surely that will make the Stellar Sled useful!

>>714273235 (OP)
MK8 players are the new smelee melee fanbase

>>714300376
Nintendo cant into balance

>>714300079
If you weren't so dumb you'd be getting your PvP fix in a proper fighting game. Instead you infect casual games.

You compfags ruined a ton of fun games. Kys retard

>>714273235 (OP)
Can't wait to see Nintendo patching out all these bagging strategies and giving all them bananas or a disconnection after a certain distance.

>>714273321
based CTR chad

>DAE COMPETITIVE MARIO KART WEIRD?????

>>714273321
There are people who plays Dark Souls as competitive PvP, Mario Kart ranked is okay compared to that.

>>714300763
This image is ever so slightly outdated now btw.

>>714273235 (OP)
Wouldn't that mode that eliminates low ranks be the way to prevent this cuck playstyle?

>>714301738
This you?

>>714273235 (OP)
Just play knockout lmao. Its a way better mode, clearly what the devs wanted the main mode to be in this game.

>>714302198
No because you just treat each lap as an individual race. That's how nintendo even scores your VR for KOT.

>>714273321
If you weren't a low skilled pos maybe you wouldn't be so dumb, mario kart is highly Skill based allowing for high level tournament play, not that I expect a jak poster to know what he's talking about

>>714280709
Only 150cc mode is available at launch. They did the same with MK8

>>714280709
Well duh you are racing in go-karts

>>714298682
Junkyard Hog has better non-road speed stats, which are laughably bad, even in World, in exchange for worse stats in acceleration and handling.
The worse handling of the hog is actually nice for time trials, since it means you can get mini turbos off better turns, but in an actual race, this niche upside isn't worth the hit to acceleration. And the off road speeds are a fucking meme, even on tracks that actually have a chunk of map that IS water.
Off road doesn't help for dirt roads and shit either. You can actually see when it kicks in, when your wheels enlarge. It's shockingly infrequent, and the better choice is to just not be a retard and stay on tbe road.

>>714301913
>Timmy banned from online because he can't play the game
>Mario Kart will no longer babysit your children because they're bad at the video game
Nintendo would never survive this

any videos of this bullshit working lmao

>>714281905
Based and correct post but unfortunately capcom disagrees

>>714273321
>I'm bad at children's games

>>714300763
Why are so many karts and characters identical?
Why are the superheavyweight vehicles all slower than the heavyweights?

>>714302551
Then why fucking bother even including regular races if they're going to be obstinate assholes about letting you actually play them?

>>714303461
it works sometimes not always

>>714303461
The webm in >>714281293 is taken from https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEMzmre8AFQ starting from 27m to 30m
He got 3rd

>>714273816
Bagging was only a thing on certain tracks with massive shortcuts like on cheeseland.
Bagging is everywhere in MKW because a majority of the time you’re playing intermission tracks.

>>714302380
bro he's got you right 100%

Mario Kart aleeady became a clusterfuck when it went from 8 racers to 12. I can't imagine what fuckery 24 racers feels like.

>>714287590
bagging means intentionally playing "poorly" to stay at the back and later (hopefully) use power items to catch up.
>if you are in 9th or even 10th then you aren't even really bagging, you're in the middle of the back.
bagging is not about your position but how you play. you can even bag in 1st place, which happens when everyone is bagging.

>>714300697
>people who want Mario Kart to play like how children have played it for over three fucking decades before now are considered to be Meleefags in the eyes of S2fags

>>714279615
>Wiisnoy
>Posts webm of someone getting extremely lucky with both getting a Star and using it exactly when someone used Lightning (which was nerfed in MKW to only hit people in front of you, the Mega Mushroom doesn’t shrink you, and there is now Boo item that was also buffed too)
>On an unofficial map as well
Retard or /v/Yawnfag, call it.

>>714297953
It's AI slop generated by a third worlder, with speech bubbles containing their best attempts at English.

<- This game's lookin' better every day, huh?

>>714303934
>ok this bagging shit is busted
>nigger hits against the walls while drifting and doesn't even slow down
>at 54:20 he fucks up the jump
>doesn't matter because you auto-glue to the walls and just keep moving
lmao games are getting more and more dumbed down

>>714279615
>Wiisnoy
falseflag

>>714293794
kill all toadettes

You know what pisses me off? That bumping into cars literally does nothing to you. You just keep on bouncing down the road.

>>714305547
>mario kart but with pay to win micro transactions
hell no

>>714305986
Adding "snoy" to another word automatically outs you as a snoy. It's their latest shitposting tactic

>>714293921
what? Ive been watching pros sandbag for days and constantly hit top 3. Fuck, even i sandbag on intermissions and always place highly. I feel like anyone who thinks bagging isnt broken on intermission is a retard who doesnt play the game

i swear tendies will pretend sandbagging sucks to wave away the fact that this game is trash

>>714293395
Nvidia digital vibrance fixes this

>>714281908
>>714281351
I need someone to explain this autism to me

Why no Bowser mains?

>>714292812
You dont get it
It really doesnt matter how much of a lead you have, it wont beat someone with a Golden Mushroom going MAX SPEED across a huge swathe of off-road, the shortcuts with the power items are absolutely insane. Like invalidate half the course insane. And you'll end up using them with 20 coins banked while the next couple racers behind you have half that. You'd have zero chance to catch them

>>714273235 (OP)
When is enough enough?
When are we going to rise up and finally put a stop to Miyamoto?

8snoy general

>>714308149
Acceleration is too important in a game with 24 people and double item slots

Bowser is fine but you're kind of fucking yourself unless it's Knockout

>>714273235 (OP)
always has been

>>714308197
>It really doesnt matter how much of a lead you have, it wont beat someone with a Golden Mushroom
lol yes it will easily
i win every race just by holding A
you just suck bro

>>714308197
the people who argue against it literally do not play the game. Every pro player uses it. A 9500 player i saw yesterday bagged to first on knockout and was halfway across the map from second

The HOLD A HUR DUR shit is retarded. Okay im holding A and…
>gets boomeranged, shocked, squashed, fire/ice flowered, hammered, horned by 8 other people close to you

meanwhile you can sit safely in the back holding coins and then zoom ahead at the perfect spots to win

The webm proves that things will balance themselves out now.
Waiting around to get the best items won't be worth it anymore, because there will be five other idiots doing the same thing. Starting fast now will be the best chance to win, until everyone else starts starting fast again and the cycle begin again.

>>714273235 (OP)
why dont they just remove the second item slot? literally all it brings is this tryhard gay shit

>>714308718
>Okay im holding A and…
>>gets boomeranged, shocked, squashed, fire/ice flowered, hammered, horned by 8 other people close to you
bro idk what to tell you. i just hold A and drive well and second place is always a mile behind me. rank 8500 right now

>>714308746
most people dont bag. Only like 2 or 3 even in high lobbies and those guys always take the lead (including myself). Most people dont watch youtube videos so they barely even understand what a bagging is which is why they always win

>>714309032
well im 9.2k and i can easily win by bagging. Guess you suck bro

>items now have a time limit, will be auto used after that time runs out
how retarded out of 10 would this be?

>>714281718
I have played mk8 online for hundreds of hours and people will do it constantly. It entirely depends on the map in a lot of cases though. Someone will do it 100% of the time on cheeseland or yoshi track.
You're way out of the loop, man. But yes, its gay and cringe.

>>714309184
>what is golden mushroom

>>714309142
>wins just as easily without the advanced advantageous tactic
bro that makes me better than you bro
get it together

>>714273235 (OP)
>after the patch
nigger it was like this from the start
"competitive" players have always bagged

>>714309231
that's only after you use it once, i mean so that you can't "save" anything for later

>>714293794
>Went with Toadette/Baby Blooper combo day one because it's a cute combo and I like Toadette's conductor outfit.
>Now it's the meta.
Gay.

>>714273235 (OP)
Competitive MK has always been a bit of a joke because of the bad item balance.
At least time trials exist.

>>714308361
Miyamoto is not even in the credits in this game

>>714309248
>guy stuck in 8500 seething over 9k players

you said you dont need to do it to be pro and now these pro players having high MMR doesnt count?

seems like you lost and the point of bagging being broken is proven

>>714309535
bro i have barely lost like 100 points since i started playing
i just don't play all day every day like you apparently do
get a life bro lol

>>714309347
At that point, what is even the point in driving at all? It would all be item luck.
People would start bagging AND avoiding item boxes until the final stretch. Solves nothing and removes meaningful choices from the game, making it less fun for everyone involved.

>>714303305
terrain speed is for dirt / snow / sand tracks retard, not literally the slow offroad shit

>>714303057

It's so skill based that "pro" players will skip almost the entire race to boost to first in the last hundred meter stretch.

>>714309535
>flexing virtual points in a baby game

Someone will probably make a better list at some point, but this shit definitely feels lopsided.

>>714309891
you know for once i agree. Maybe if 3 lap tracks had its own mode but for now, knockout and intermission courses has turned a kids game like mario kart into a babies game with mk world

>>714277276
stop making questions and consume nintendo product

>>714273235 (OP)
So same as MK8Dx?

You are not allowed to criticize Nintendo's design choices. Stop criticizing it and just HAVE FUN.

$80.

If daisy and rosalina werent so fucking hot in this game id quit forever until 3 laps has a mode

>play a few online matches for the first time
>already tossing me into 8k vr lobbies

how'd they screw that up after 8

>>714279062
We don't sign our posts here.

>>714310748
They have to fill out 24 spots, proper matchmaking is pretty much impossible.

>>714273235 (OP)
Crossworlds won.

>>714310671
At this point all I'm doing is going full autism offline. I can practice the shortcuts, ogle Daisy and wait for /v/kends if I actually want to play online.

You niggers have been throwing a tantrum for a week now

Holy shit driving on water feels horrendous. I rather have kept under water driving

>>714310748
the game is pretty much dead and nobody bought the game but muh 5 million scalpers means this is the biggest online game atm according to tendies

seriously my lobbies in knockout is like 8 people half the time. Yesterday i had 3 people in my knockout and the rest were bots

>>714310938
the shovelware competition

>>714311128
Buckle up, Nintendo is going to milk the game and keep it relevant for at least 5 years before they consider making a new installment

>>714278692

So you're saying I should hold it until right before the finish line when all the bagging retards start going for it then blast them?

I would change it so that there are limited item boxes on transition sections throw up maybe 2 or 3 item boxes and the rest be food. Item spam from mid pack keeping 1st in check is what makes sand bagging so viable if you can reliably build and defend a lead by driving better it will disuade people from holding onto items, no point holding onto a golden shroom for 3 minutes if by the time you use it you can no longer go from 18th>1st.

I don't understand why "tryhard" ever became an insult in the first place, as if it's bad that some people want to be good at vidya

>>714273321
fpbp

>>714273235 (OP)
its a game for children that dont know you shouldnt try.

>>714296336
>cheesing a kids game
kids don't have $540, parents will find cheaper options to entertain their kids

>>714312171
It's because people don't care about anything ever and probably just play single-player games with no real stakes or challenge.
MK has always been competitive, even if it is a babby game. Of course people are going to tryhard. It's up to Nintendo to actually make a fairly balanced and fun game, knowing this.
MK8 failed drastically, so it is incredible to see them not only repeating the mistake, but somehow making it worse.

>>714308529
yeah you don't need any advanced techniques in melee either, just walk up to people and c-stick sideways with roy. You beat ALL your friends this way!

>high ranked Mario Kart World

>>714312171
Tryhard became an isnsult because you trying hard makes the game less fun for other people. If you want to tryhard on your own go to time trials. As soon as you bring that shit to other people that don't want to deal with it then of course they'll insult your lame ass.

no Kamek? no Kare.

>>714311196
Surely you used Nintendo's easy to use screenshot function so that you share this info to us in a reliable way, that way we can verify your bullshit

>>714312171
I suppose its the distinction between "winning" at any cost and striving to be better at the game the prior fosters a poor environment for interacting with others.

>>714313489
So, what you are saying is that you shouldn't try to win, because it upsets players. But, then what is the point of the game?
Is there a line you cross when trying too hard becomes less fun? If so, where is that line drawn?

One thing I've noticed with people complaining about tryhards is that they are never okay with getting their shit stomped and losing either, because losing feels bad and winning feels good.

>>714313104
i see where you misunderstood the conversation!
i'm talking about ranked play online, where i'm ranked 9000.
let me know if there is anything else about this topic you are having difficulty keeping up with!

>>714273235 (OP)
lord in heaven above please never let me sink so low as to sandbag in a toddler video game

>>714273321
Just say you’re bad

>>714313489
t. Half-stepper

>>714314227
If a dominant strategy dominates at the highest level of competition (eg actual tournaments), it's a dominant strategy, full stop. If you've been lucky enough to dodge everyone who knows what they're doing, good for you.
>i win every race just by holding A
Though it's a lot more likely you're just lying. You get first in every race you enter at 9000, do you? May I see?

>>714278889
>”niiiiiiGGGGGEEEEERRRRrrrrrrrrrr”

>>714279931
Fuck this nigga in particular

>>714281746
Why did this insanely hot ass girl want to be on fishtank? Was she a genuine psycho or something? I haven’t watched the show so.

>>714309184
All they'd have to do is let people play regular races.

I'm glad the only online racing game iv ever played was that nexon kart racing MMO from way back and even it was a better online kart racer then Crash Turd racer and Mario Shart world

>>714281293
WHY IS EVERY FUCKING LEVEL COATED WITH FOG?

>>714273235 (OP)
>Mario kart
>ranked
Huh?

>>714315735
Retard

>>714316407
LoDs I would imagine, it's a big open world deal now right?

>>714281293
Is this supposed to show the game in a positive light? It really doesn't.

>>714305705
>Dumbed down
It's Mario Kart. What the hell did you expect? Play a real game.

>>714283638
2 item slots for top 3 only
no rubber banding

niggas complaining about competitive integrity in mario kart because they are too autistic to play any skill based racing game

>>714273235 (OP)
This is just what happens to Nintendo games. Nintendo unironically looks to make their games fun and accessible for groups to just play casually, but then the giga spergy tendies get a hold of them and decide that playing a game for fun is some kind of alien concept and so they go full showerless autist and decide to brake the game because winning a game meant for a group of kids to play together is more important. It happened to smash bros too and if I remember right the creator hated it.

>>714317264
UMMM ACTUALLY MORE MANCHILDREN BUY NINTENDO CONSOLES THAN KIDS SO THEREFORE THEY'RE NOT PANDERING TO KIDS THEY'RE ACTUALLY JUST RETARDED BECAUSE MY NEET OPINION MATTERS OKAY!!!

>>714280794
i unironically do this cause its down the road lmao

>>714316407
All new nintendo games have anti soul gas

>>714273235 (OP)
>all items except green shells turned off for ranked
wow so hard

>>714317264
hard-pandering to a fake group of giga-retards that don't even exist in relevant numbers ruins the game for even actual casuals, let alone normal people who play video games.Nintendo have been doing this since wii-u and it's really annoying.
See the 1 hour tutorial we got in pikmin 4

>>714273235 (OP)
That's not high level, high level players know how the item boxes work, you don't need to wait around that long at all, just get your placement low before collecting the box.

>>714315408
whatever i'm doing is a dominant strategy because i easily clear top three in almost every race just by holding A and trying to go really fast and do cool boosts and throw shells at people
have fun spinning in the dirt at the starting line like a loser

>>714273321
If you aren’t playing Street Fighter 6 at the bare minimum any compfag shit you do is fucking gay and retarded

>>714289201
I will play Shy Guy and trannies will not take him from me

>>714273321
Reminds me of that one picture that pops up in filename threads of a bunch of grown men having a rave at a Wiggles concert. I don't have the image saved though.

>>714312171
In tabletop we call you WAACfags. It means the same thing essentially.

>>714273321
FPBP

the internet: analyzing the fun out of everything for 30 years

>>714273321
Based first post. I hate competitive cancer so much

I'm not getting a switch 2 or this game until all of this bagging cringe and intermission nonsense is patched out. Don't want my first experience playing this game to be OP's webm.

>>714301927
high-level CTR is even worse
also 30 fps

I just realized there's no GBA tracks
Considering Rainbow Road in this game is disconnected from the "World" anyway, I hope they add GBA Rainbow Road in a DLC or something.

>>714273321
lol millennials SEETHING at this post

>>714279615
>Frittata
>that avatar
i fucking lol'd

>>714306082
at least toadette and daisy are real characters. if you're using fucking coin coffer then you truly are a soulless metaslave who needs to kill themselves

>>714323532
coin coffer is based

>>714310070
stellar sled is just sad, less road speed than the blooper and less acceleration than all other vehicles just so it can have max speed in water

>>714293794
lmao i made this list and i somehow forgot diddy kong isn't in this game
he feels like such a natural choice that keeps getting left out for mysterious and unnatural reasons

>>714302168
got the most recent

>>714322550
It's been effective in the series since 7 so I doubt it

>>714273235 (OP)
imaigne being this much of a fucking faggot to not even get to first place.

>>714320707
*slaps you hard* like that bitch? think your fucking tough now huh? still wanna mouth off huh bitch? say sorry or your getting another!

>>714312171
lol faggot.

>>714323532
>Toadette
Metafag
>Nabbit
Metafag that wanted to be a special snowflake
>Coin Coffer
The kind of nerd that will optimize the fun out of everything, only thinks of things as Functions vs. Functions. If all stats were the exact same except one character had a 0.0001% smaller hitbox, he'd pick that character just to have a tiny advantage.
>Daisy
Perverts and waifufags. The only meta they care about is seeing how much one handed driving they can get away with during a race.
>Peach
Mostly women, barely anyone picks her in the first place.

>>714305529
wtf A.I. can do that now?
What fucking A.I. are they using I have a great need

>>714308149
Nintendo will never, ever make top speed good enough versus acceleration in a game where you’re getting knocked on your ass every five seconds.

>>714326404
they did in mkwii

>>714326497
In MKWii you were merely getting knocked on your ass every -fifteen- seconds.
Double boxes and now 24 players flips the balance pretty hard.

>>714273321
Kek

cannot believe millions of people waited in line for a switch 2 to play... mario kart. the absolute state of ninfants. I'm not even that anti-nintendo, I have a switch, I've played most of their first party games, but the ninfant fanbase is truly a bunch of pathetic consoomers that will buy anything with a nintendo logo on it

>>714326497
Yeah because stand still miniturbos invalidated the mini turbo stat for anything that's not a lightweight on the quacker in most situations.

>>714308813
the original 8 on wii u did remove it but deluxe brought it back to feel differentt I guess

uhhhh

>>714327167
This. Mario Kart is fun with the bros in 15 min bursts but its not something you go out and spend $500 to experience day 1

*farts*

>>714273235 (OP)
>""""High ranked Mario Kart "'"
>Multiple people bagging
>Get green shell
LMAOOOOO

>>714273235 (OP)
You will never be Mario Kart Arcade GP. You will never be Mario Kart DS. You will never be Mario Kart Double Dash. You will never be Mario Kart Wii.

>>714273394
If you can't have fun while trying to win then I don't think you'll have fun losing either

what do people honestly expect when they play online games with strangers?

>>714328291
>You will never be Mario Kart Wii.
Yeah. World is good.

>>714323532
The enemies are the true Mario fan's picks. Every normies knows daisy. Fans who actually play the games will be the only ones who know Stingby and Biddybuddy

>>714273321
lawl

>>714273235 (OP)
Fucking Kek this game is fucked

>>714273235 (OP)
The fact they've left the item pools for the frontrunners unmolested despite sandbagging being prevalent for the entire lifespan of 8 is grim.

If you let player 1 get mushrooms people wouldn't be doing this shit.

>>714273321
GG EZ ;)

>>714328687
biddybuddy is cute
no one cares about stingby or coin coffer
real mario fans are more likely to pick goomba, rocky wrench, sidestepper, dolphin, or spike

>>714322847
bad - 30 fps without motion blur
good - 30 fps with motion blur

>>714281746
god i wanna smell her rancid morning breath SO FUCKING BAD BROS

>>714279615
>Wiisnoys
?

>>714328291
>Mario Kart Arcade GP
>they actually brought over the wacky camera system
kinda funny that they took that from GP

>>714273235 (OP)
why didn't he hit the turbo straight away like everybody else did

>>714280878
The vast majority of switch owners were over 20 and that was years ago, I assume the same is even more true for switch 2 because it's new and more expensive + loyal switch owners aged even more. All the "kid games" are actually made for nintendo adults now. The New DK has the kid sidekick for instance to make it feel like a "dad game". So yes you are playing against a bunch of sweaty adults in their 20s and 30s.

>>714274370
It's just Olympic cycling.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UrgwqeCL5T0

>>714293794
>Another Nintendo game where the princesses are high/top tier because fuck you that's why
Based

>>714328046
>Mario Kart is fun with the bros in 15 min bursts but its not something you go out and spend $500 to experience day 1
i don't understand. those two things do not contradict each other. i spent $500 (very affordable) to play mario kart in 20 minute jaunts from day 1. and i'd do it again.
you sound gay

>>714273394
>Racing game
>Concept is to race and win
>WTF STOP WINNING WHY AREN'T YOU PLAYING CO-OP

>>714283638
>hard mode: don't remove the second held item slot
this is literally the only way to. notice how bagging was never an issue in 8 until deluxe added 2 items..

>>714279615
The difference is Wii is played as a team game. That win was the result of a calculated plan.

>>714273235 (OP)
Regular races are dogshit. Knockouts are better

>>714273321
Fpbp

>>714332160
I don't see the appeal of having to restart the lobby after 1 intermission track in worldwide. It's just aids compare to knockout which is comfy running them until you you lose

>>714292531
>implying I don't also stall the race to get the best items in time trial as well

>>714293794
Pauline and Rosalina are the same weight class so how are they different

>>714307989
It started when Ericspammer began calling Zelda fans who shat on BotW/ToTK and liked OoT "OoTsnoys". Basically saying you were a fake fan that pretended to like older games to shit on newer ones. The snoy connotation doesn't mean it's an actualy Sony fan wearing sheep's clothing (sometimes), it's to belittle older Nintendo fans who disagree with the new shit. Cubesnoy, Wiisnoy, etc. are variations of this.

>>714293794
I thought diddy kong wasn't in this game, why is he on the list

>>714332160
This.
>Spend the first 2 laps bagging, collecting coins, and chilling
>Next 4 laps you get to play normal Mario Kart after you get 20 coins

>>714332490
roselina is focused on water speed while pauline has road speed
like 90% of the game is road speed. then like 7% is terrain and 3% water. even on the water tracks the best strat is to try and avoid it, so why would you want a character or vehicle specialised in it
i fucking hate hidden stats why do they make these

>>714332698
I forgot about hidden stats, thanks anon. Pisses me off but at least they're both big ladies

>>714328978
>spike
nice try

>>714332635
i forgor

>>714328978
What do you have against my boy coin coffer?!

>>714332635
he's actually a hidden character you get for time trialing great ? ruins in under 2 minutes

>>714332698
These hidden stats are way worse than the ones in 8 Deluxe, what the hell were they thinking? In that game, besides mini turbo, the only hidden stats were glider speed, water speed, and anti-gravity speed. The best out of those to have was anti-grav speed, since that was the most common alternative surface, but it wasn't that terrible to pick a combo with more of the other two since 90% of the game is regular road anyway, and it was cool to have an advantage when one of the few tracks with a lot of gliders or water showed up.
But in World, two-thirds of the characters and karts are just objectively sub-par with no real benefit. For what purpose?

>>714328978
found the genuine pedo
why do pedos pick biddybuddy so much?

>>714333602
wouldn't pedos be picking the babies that have makeup for some reason

>>714273235 (OP)
Is this like using a controller emulator to get aim assist on a mouse in modern FPS games?

>>714332698
It's not even the hidden stats that get me, or the uneven distribution of the terrain, it's how they decided some of the stats. A decent amount of them make sense. But why is Luigi just randomly worse than Mario at driving on roads? Why the fuck is Waluigi a water character? Did he take swim lessons or some shit? How is a god damn plant a road character?

>>714333591
>For what purpose?
The intention I guess is to make the cast different and unique
but in reality is just causes people to all pick the same few good characters and karts, going against the entire point of making them unique

they should honestly do away with those hidden stats. why should you be inferior playing roselina compare to snowman or piranha plant. it just makes it feel like shit playing characters you like.
just look at the blue lightweight tier, they're all equal and it's nice seeing the variety. the other tiers should be the same

>>714333894
they're staying in last place to get the best possible items and probably dropping out of the race if the first item they get isn't good.

>>714333651
I play Baby Peach because i like cute characters. Don't know why your mind goes to sex when seeing that type of character design but ok .....

>>714332698
Now I understand why everyone picks the Baby Blooper, those stats are insane and make no sense.
Why does a vehicle in a class with above average accelaration and handling also have a road speed higher than most high speed, low accel/handling vehicles?

>>714334057
Why do you see this and think "sex with children"

>pick Cataquack
>pick ROB bike
Yep, it's gaming time

>>714305529
It's not AI, that artist has been around since 2015 you unbelievable nigger

What are the chances they do balance patches? Or will it be a rare 1 time thing like deluxe?

>>714334429
There's no chance in hell they won't have additional patches.
There will likely be DLC along the way

>>714334254
Yeah it's completely unbalanced, there's no even any alternatives similar to it
Balancing around road speed ruined creativity in this game, there's no reason to opt into anything else

>>714333945
I think an easy fix would just be to make all characters have the same road speed in the tier that they're in, and having a speed bonus either in terrain or water. A carefully placed +1 to one of the speed stats for every character, a balanced, universal buff. It'd be harder to do the same thing for the vehicles, but having shitty karts is a considerably smaller issue imo.
Then, players would actually have an interesting choice to make on whether they prefer extra water or terrain speed. It'd be cool to have a meta where people think for themselves for once instead of blindly following the mob, y'know?

>>714273235 (OP)
>high ranked mario kart
transcore behavior

>>714334620
>there's no even any alternatives similar to it
Mach Rocket/R.O.B. Hog is the exact same thing but on slightly higher weight classes. But otherwise, yeah.

>>714334665
Yeah if road speed was the same it would be fine. It's just the fact almost all of this game is road speed, so why are some characters balanced around garbage like water speed, which is maybe 3% terrain in the game?
A flip between water/terrain is fine. but road speed should not be a unique stats

>>714334292
Uhhhh i don't??

>>714326213
there's quite a few that can generate actual porn, but you're not going to find any good ones that are free. no different than paying for porn at that point.

>>714334515
obviously there will be patches, but mario kart isn't exactly like smash bros where some characters just become broken and need to be nerfed. I doubt there will be any balance patches outside of maybe changing the item odds.

>>714334665
I was hoping this game would be more like crash team racing, where you could choose your stats and they weren't tied to the character you're playing. it's fine if the karts change stats, but the characters themselves shouldn't change anything.

>>714284457
Stellar Sled

>>714335410
fuck I miss her

>>714291634
>>3 throws
It's 4
>>714293216
Nar, it's great. Fucker with 3 reds in front or behind you? Throw it and destroy the all in a single throw. Can easily fuck over 6 people with it. The feather and coin blocks are the most useless.

>>714336041
The boomerang can inconvenience people, but I'll always take a single mushroom over it

>>714334665
I think the kart imbalance is currently worse than the character one. Not that the character one is good, but a difference of 1 speed isn't a huge deal. But for karts, everything on the extreme ends isn't worth using normally.

>>714284864
For me it's maxing out top speed while minimizing handling and just going for it even though it's not going to work out well for me.

>>714275656
Try to do that on knockout tour see how it goes

>>714332698
I am actually fucking retarded and cannot understand this chart.

Please explain to me

>>714273394
>I NEED to lose at this children’s game for five year olds!!!!!
uh ok bro

>>714273321
I FUCKING KNEEL

I don't understand the video.

>>714337385
Acceleration-Mini turbo / Weight / Handling are stats you see in game and function how you'd expect them to

Road / Terrain / Water are hidden stats. Affecting your speed on these surfaces
Majority of tracks and intermissions in this game are classed as "road" surface
Few intermissions are "terrain" and there's there's a handful "water" surfaces

Now you understand why all those terrain and water focused characters are bad. And why it's such a garbage ass system

They could've used costumes to let characters have different stats, or at least different hidden speeds

>>714337871
so why isn't bowser god tier for online? he has 9 in all of them?

So how fucked over am I gonna be if use rosalina+mach rocket VS meta shit like nabbit+ machrocket or peach+mach rocket? She's my favorite.

Idk how big the difference in stats will make

>>714338198
His acceleration stat is 3. If you get hit by anything (you will because 24 players online it a shitshow of item spam) you're just crippled trying to recover
It's why the light characters are meta online. While bowser is king of time trials who don't have to worry about being hit

>>714337720
In mario kart, you get better items at lower placements. So people purposely stay in last place while grabbing the item boxes until they get a good item. Then they catch up to a higher place (only part that actually takes skill lol) and they use the item to secure their 1st place easier.

It's super gay like all competitive slop but it wont stop people from doing it.

>>714338392
>It's why the light characters are meta online.
Cant you combo bowser with a kart that has high acceerationl to have the best of both worlds and make up for his innate low acceleration?

>>714273321
FIBBY PIBBY
People who take Mario Kart seriously are peak fucking manchildren.
It's a party game.

>>714338473
>until they get a good item.
What the fuck item is going to be so good that lets you go from place 24 to 1 just because you decided to eat shit waiting for it at the back of the pack?

this seems retarded.

>>714338473
Thanks.

>>714338595
If people are doing it, then it obviously works. I don't have this game, but I'm guessing shit like the bullet bill, lightning, or star are super good at the beginning of the race when all the racers are still relatively close to each other.

>>714338595
>lets you go from place 24 to 1
It doesn't, part of it takes actual skill. But being able to avoid shocks and easily using bullet when you're almost at first to secure your win is really good

>>714313880
>>714321996
the whole point of games and competitions is to win. if you're not aiming to win then why bother playing at all? sounds like you're proving this anon >>714314025 right

>>714338595
lightning + any speed boost item, bill + gold shroom. lightning is particularly potent because you can time it to fuck with people after they get their items so they loose their speed boosts while you don't

>>714338707
It's very rare that you ca actually go from dead last 24th to first. You usually need to be back of the pack but not that far back. Like 16th place instead

>>714273321
FPBP
Manchild OP eternally BTFO

>not just getting good items in 3rd place, skilling to 1st and holding them to fuck off bagger faggots with a barrage of red shells

Bro lol

>>714338926
yeah but in most mario kart games, all of them, there are item boxes almost always right at the start of the race, so everyone in front of you has already grabbed one, and whoever is in the first few places probably just got a green shell or a banana.

>>714339014
>bro you can't just magically get only good items in third place and above and keep your place the entire race? lmao git gud
mario kart should have an itemless mode

>>714338816
No the whole point is to have fun. Winning doesn't have to mean fun unless your a dopamine deprived monkey.
I enjoy the feeling of driving the karts, the sounds and colors, the god tier sound track, the phenomenal character animations, of just driving around and trying to do my best regardless of the result.

The point of games is to be fun. Not purely to be competitive. If the only way you can enjoy a game is by always trying to win, that says more about you and your lack of ability to engage with other aspects of a game than anything else. Which again, is why calling you a tryhard is a derogatory term.

>>714339114
i think you retards should try playing different games.

>>714339114
it's not that hard to get tri red shells in 3rd place or close to it

>>714338514
It sort of works, but the best vehicles have great accel and good road speed, the best characters have both decent speed and godly acceleration. Bowser is also a bit outclassed by characters like Wario, since he has the same road speed stat, but higher acceleration and handling. Weight is a heavily overvalued stat in this game for some reason despite being so weak.

>>714273235 (OP)
>Join amerimutt server for knockout tour
>I know this is the case cause most people have bbc, trans, bussy, political crap or mexican usernames.
>The near entirely of the server bags
>Eventually finish race by like half the map.
>Results show that bots came in 2,3,4.
Lmao

>>714339294
In your opinion, Rosalina with mach rocket, or Rosalina with reel racer? Basically can't decide between the added speed of reel or added accel of mach.

>>714273235 (OP)
What the fuck am I watching?

>>714273235 (OP)
There needs to be a bubble shield for 1-3 place specifically to deter thunder and nothing else in intermissions.

Intermissions need overall a different set of items from your usual lap tracks

>>714339392
Reel Racer isn't much faster on roads and loses a lot more acceleration, Mach Rocket is a better pick. It's more of a Time Trial kart, but if you did want to use it online, it suits acceleration based characters more.

>>714273321
based

>>714338337
Using different characters is more or less fine, it’s the karts that have balance issues
At the end of the day though it’s mario kart, in the grand scheme of things it won’t cripple you to use something outside of meta

>>714338514
You can, but you do lose out on stats trying to patch up his 3's. That's why the meta is babyblooper, since it patches up stats the best

>toedette + babyblooper
14 accel/mt
6 weight
13 handling
12 road speed
45 total stats
39 total stats if you don't care about weight

>bowsers + standard bike
12 accel/mt
10 weight
9 handling
10 road speed
41 total stats
31 total stats if you don't care about weight

Weight is debatable if you care for it or not, it helps being bumped but isn't as useful as the other stats
Also there's the issue of him having a bigger hitbox so you're getting hit by more stuff while racing

but yeah through the sheer amount of stats you lose out on, especially if you exclude weight

>>714339383
>things that never happened

>>714276356
It'd be nice if /v/ could play some God damned fucking vidya.
Everything you cunts say about MKW is a flat out lie.

>>714339487
ty

>>714279859
It's literally the same it's ever been since Wii/DS.
Play the game you worthless nigger.
No combination of items is skipping more than a 1/4 of a section/lap of an intermission.
Same as it's always been.
Golden shrooms were always OP as fuck, as were bullet bills.

>>714273394
>I NEED to win at this rat's race for goyim!!!
Get a hobby

zoomers being known as the generation that took mario kart as a serious competitive game will always be funny.

>>714284457
this

>>714291837
seems odd its not in given the inline drifting jump mechanic. would work really well now.