Thread 714274697

>be a kid born in the EU
>dad dies
>mom calls you saying you need to have a difficult conversation
>"Anon, your dad was a game developer..."
>eyes glowing, best news ever
>"He released 7 games..."
>mom starts crying so hard she can't even speak
>eventually recomposes herself
>"He released 7 games... in the EU. You know what that means...?"
>"Thanks to Stop Killing Games, our family has to maintain these games in a 'playable state' forever, or else we get arrested."
>"There are vulnerabilities and exploits coming out every month. We need to keep patching the games and ensuring they are playable."
>"I am sorry anon but this is your life now. You will be a slave of the games your dad created."
What do?

Just not be born in the EU or America?

>>714274697 (OP)
people who develop gaas slop deserve worse fates

Kino. My parents never wanted me in gamedev. Fuck em.

>aquaposter
>doesn't follow up his post with a pic of his butt
Newfags, I swear

>>714274697 (OP)
Based
We will form new noble houses of game dev legacies
AEIOV

aqua needs some sense raped into her

>>714274697 (OP)
That's not what stop killing games means. You're a retard.

>>714274697 (OP)
Based. Fuck EU fags. You get what you fucking deserve

>>714274697 (OP)
What is this even about? Devs are still allowed to abandon their games. They just need to not have online only access for a single player game and possibly offering some kind of offline version of MP games when the servers are closing (or enabling LAN/Private servers easily)

>be europoor
>go to work
>overworked 14 hours because game development cycle
>all done working on game for the day
>boss comes to me
>before you leave don't forget about our other games anon
>have to work another 6 hours on The Crew to make sure it's still in a playable functional state
>20 hour work day done
>made ten dollars
>take the train home
>get raped by a muslim

>>714275479
Basically:
>if you create an online game you need to also develop a parallel secondary offline game that no one will ever play once you shut down
>if it must be online you need to release servers to the public and pray that it remains playable and without vulnerabilities that would compromise its playable state
>if it gets vulnerabilities you need to patch it
Basically kills the possibility of online indie games in the EU. All because europeans are too retarded to not buy games from Ubisoft.

>>714275562
>Be American
>Get raped by blacks
>Be Euro
>Get raped by muslims
Thing is, one is getting their butthole freely repaired

>>714274697 (OP)
Isn’t the entire thing about forcing developers to provision for a game’s end of life/service before releasing it in the first place?

>>714274697 (OP)
>"Okay mom"
>Releases server binaries
>Releases offline patch
>Ships easy mod support for all games
>Drops game price by 50%
>"Have fun everyone"

>>714275631
No, it basically means private servers after a game closing will be much easier now and there won't be the bullshit "require an internet connection" on single player games anymore. Complaining about things made good is stupid as hell.

>>714274697 (OP)
>>714274938
>GAAS becomes a debt-curse that carries down the bloodline forever more
Kino concept but infeasible to even attempt to impliment in this day and age.

>Check for online connection = No
Wow so hard

>>714275631
Based. Fuck online only games.

>>714275320
no, she needs consensual love and it’s not from you.

>>714275686
Move to Russia, friend. We are based and don't have such problems. We are probably the last bastion of white people

>>714275631
>also develop a parallel secondary offline game
It's not parallel, it's just a patch after EOS. They are not obligated to host servers themselves either.

>>714274697 (OP)
Sell them for $$$ to fans who will maintain it for free.

>>714275789
>just release offline patch bro it can't be that easy, you just go to your online game and type a line "it's offline now btw" and boom it's offline!

>>714274697 (OP)
Sound like a you problem.
Why don't you overthrow your governor?

>>714275631
Incorrect, you just need to release it in a state in which the average player can play it single player offline or a private server if multiplayer is forced. Private is the keyword there, as hackers (people exploiting the vulnerabilities) would need to gain access to every single private server and render them all entirely unplayable before you'd need to patch it.

>>714275306
>Redditsaw Man

>>714274697 (OP)
hang yourself tranime spammer

>>714275686
>Be American
>Dont live in a ghetto neighborhood
>Make fun of the ghetto with your neighbors, including the token black family that figured out how to not behave like degenerate monkeys
>Don't get raped
>Be Euro
>Move to nice neighborhood
>Town council decides immigrants deserved to live there
>Get raped by Muslim

>>714275631
I fucking wish, all it does is force you to add a small option in menu that allow the player to write in new server location and release the server client once the game hit the EOS.

>>714275993
dont forget to say "chechnya kruto"!

I wanted to support this because it sounded good on principle, but as a developer seeing all those normalfaggots say "just make an offline patch bro" grinds my gears.

Don't you people ever think that MAYBE you are oversimplifying things a bit?

Would that "offline version" really be the same game as the online one? Or wouldn't it be an entirely different game that is just legally required to exist because of this dumb law?

>>714276139
How do you think an MMO works exactly? How do you think they playtest and develop content? It's not magic.

>>714274697 (OP)
If you want to release live service or always online drm, then you should be forced to support them until the end of time, even if the player count is 1.

>>714276241
No, the game must remain playable.

If the game has vulnerabilities that compromise the player it is not playable.

>>714276353
>have a restaurant
>consumer doesn't want to leave after closing time
>can't kick them out
>"haven't you seen the Stop Killing Meals initiative bro?"

>>714276139
See >>714275848
If I have all the code it isn't some impossible task.
Many devs have already done it to their games. From indie level to bigger studios. As this whole thread is about SKG, you should already know that.

>>714274697 (OP)
>>714275631
kys passnigger swedecuck
don't you ever bait post with Aqua again

>>714276139
With this kind of intelligent, no wonder your life is a struggle

You WILL release the server binaries.
You WILL make the game playable past its 'expiry' date.
You WILL treat your customers correctly.
Kneel, or fuck off.

>>714276318
>Would that "offline version" really be the same game as the online one?
What really grinds my gears is when people don't read but insist on acting as a voice of authority and talking down to others

>>714276451
Long time no see schizo-kun.

>>714276330
>modern mmos
>playtest
Disproving your own point.

>>714276139
If back in day some WoW players managed to run their own Vanilla servers, I am pretty sure some devs who have access directly to the code and server binaries and all the resources in the world can manage it too.

>>714276551
>you WILL release a bastardization of your game that is a complete waste of dev time just so 3 people can pretend they played it!

>>714276656
WoW private servers are extensively patched by the community otherwise they would not be playable.

>>714276423
>If the game has vulnerabilities that compromise the player it is not playable.
Retard, the fact you could host your own server move the responsibility back to the player, aka just host your own server and you're safe.

>>714274697 (OP)
I will release the source code and make it freeware.
Obviously. Just like every game company should do when they dont want to support their game any more.

>>714275282
TOVCHDOWN THVRGOOD THOMAS

>>714276736
>just host your own server and play a game where anyone can run arbitrary code on your machine bro
>it's totally playable just trust no one wants to fuck you up

BRITBONGS, YOUR TIME IS NOW! GLORY AND VICTORY IS YOURS TO TAKE!

https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/702074/

I literally cant get it up for Aqua. Nothing about the retard is remotely sexy. Megumin Though...

>>714275993
Isn't russia filled with muslims lol

>>714275818
Dont even try, these people dont know how games work they just want to be mad

>>714276139
unless there's some nft garbage or whatever the fuck stapled on, in which case you deserve to suffer
yes it really is that easy

>>714276819
As good as this is in concept, I’m really reluctant to draw Parliament’s attention towards video games in any form.
They’ll probably do something that just makes things worse.

>>714276819
wtf, when i looked last time it wanst even halfway
ig you bongos are aright

You know it's bad when the shills have to resort to strawmanning because they have no actual argument. The reality is that it's just about making a SP game not fucking disappear, and making MP games playable without official support, like WoW's private servers, or basically 99% of relatively old MP games

>>714275306
>1735 man

>>714274697 (OP)
Aqua's feet in my mouth

>>714277017
What more can they take from us, they took loli back in 2009 and no one did a fucking thing.

>>714276803
>where anyone can run arbitrary code on your machine bro
And how it will connect to your machine if you're running your own server retard? The solution I proposed isn't a server browser but overwrite to server address aka how private WoW servers works and you can run the server client locally on PC without internet connection.

>>714277327
Anon this is not about the servers.

Imagine that a game receives an exploit. If it is maintained, the devs will fix it.

Now imagine that abandonware receives an exploit. There is no one to fix it.

Imagine that the exploit is so lethal that it makes the game functionally unplayable.

What now?

>>714276803
This. You literally cannot play on TF2 community servers because they can have arbitary code to steal your info and gaylock your PC. There are no counter measures. None. Nada

>>714274697 (OP)
>What do?
Just fucking release the source code then and let the fans figure it out themselves. The idea is just to have a way to make it playable, instead of something literally being removed from the face of the earth because ubisoft turned the servers off.

>>714277546
>using as example a game that is actively maintained by the devs

>>714277516
>What now?
We'll get there when we'll get there.

Either way, it's not the end of the world - as long as private servers are allowed to modify code (and I don't see why they wouldn't be) they can patch up vulnerabilities themselves. Private servers do this already.

>>714277580
>just release your company's secrets bro

>>714277647
Nope. Project requires the developer to ensure the game is in a playable state. You can't just pass the ball to the community.

Also, letting the community patch the server software would require you to make it open source. This is just suicide for developers and you faggots will never understand why.

>>714277086
You are posting in a bait thread. OP is a well known passfag since 2018 who now hides his pass to avoid bans.

>>714277717
You are posting hypotheticals about laws that don't currently exist.

>>714274697 (OP)
playable state =/= keeping servers running

>>714277717
>just release your company's secrets bro
Yeah, if your dad died and there is nobody who can patch the game to be run offline, do you really deserve to continue making money of it? Just release the code and be done with it. And if the dad wasn't a solo dev but had other people in employment, either promote someone to take his place and run the company to keep the game online or let them make an offline patch.

>>714278116
So basically kill indie developers in EU just like you did with our tech companies.

Cool.

What are the odds you are American?

>>714277516
The only case where the game isn't playable is when your system will drop support for tools required to run the game and the server client, this simply ain't gonna happen because Linux nerds have that base covered.
"Use Linux or sue M$" will be the only response you will need.

Turtle WoW exists

>>714277717
>This is just suicide for developers and you faggots will never understand why
I can't understand how anons don't understand this. It's the reason Doom flopped and didn't sell copies after it was made open-source.
Id doesn't get any Doom sales anymore either.

>>714278275
>just make a sequel that is 4 generations ahead of your last game bro

>>714278169
>So basically kill indie developers in EU
Most indie games don't have those problems because they're not multiplayer.

>>714275631
>Basically kills the possibility of online indie games in the EU
use p2p through steamwork, problem solved

>NOOOOOOOOO YOU SHOULD FEEL FOR BAD FOR THE FAGGOT DEVELOPERS
plap plap plap get signed

People are too dumb to make their own servers, and that would stop the sales immensely.
Zoomies never played a game hosted by other users, you NEED to have a centralized server.
It's not like the most popular online game of all times work with self hosted servers or something.

>>714275631
Ah yes, all those indie always online games using centralised servers will be terribly affected by this. What a shame.

>>714277516
>what now
Do you think hosting a server is some magic box that runs the videogame?
You can protect your shit however you want, for example, you can close off ports so the entire internet doesn't have access to it. Do what literally every company does with their infrastructure.

>>714278169
>So basically kill indie developers in EU
The OP said the dad died already, can't kill what is already dead

>>714274938
Yet you faggots are begging to keep those games alive. Curious...

>>714275631
Just release a server binary, game devs somehow managed this all the time in the 90s-00s with far less advanced technology. You don't even have to wait for the game to die to do that, you can do it on day 1. It takes extra work to lock it down and host servers yourself

What this would actually mean, practically:

>Singleplayer games with no DRM or online components
Unaffected. It could potentially prevent them from remotely removing the game from storefronts, but it's not guaranteed due to extraordinary circumstances.
>Singleplayer with DRM/online only play
Affected, would require the devs to release an offline patch before removing online components.
This would, likely, also affect mobile games and gachas.
>Multiplayer games
Affected, they would need to release server bynaries or tools or somehow make it offline-capable prior to taking it offline.

Copy and paste this into every thread if needed. Disinfo shills will not defeat us.

I genuinely don't know if OP is being retarded on purpose for (You) or not, but god, this is probably one of the most, if not the most, retarded shit I've ever read on /v/ since 2009.
Dear faggot OP, you have not done any research on the topic you made, and you keep doubling down on your stupidity with your greentext replies.
I have nothing else to say to you. Judging by your posts, you won't be able to read this anyway.

>>714274697 (OP)
Soon games are going to cost $200 each to account for end of service costs.

>>714276847
No. We tame them and they are under our control.

>>714275993
until you get sent to Ukraine to die from some random drone lmoa

>>714278747
You took 5 minutes to write this wall of nonsense that has nothing to say, 2009 newfag? Do not ever enter one of my threads again

83%!
>SHILLS LOST
SHILLS LOST
>SHILLS LOST
SHILLS LOST
FUCK YOU, PIRATESOFTWARE, AND FUCK YOU JANNIES! HAHA! It's like all my namedays have come at once!

>>714274697 (OP)
>be kid born in the EU
>dad dies
>"anon your dad was a game developer..."
>mom starts crying so hard she can't even speak
>eventually recomposes herself
>"he released 7 gachas..."
>"anyway the funeral is at 12 so be ready the line to piss on his grave will be long"

just imagine the hundreds of dead gachas that show up yearly littering the app stores
>if your game has ever had a $1 micropurchase you can never ever remove it from storefronts or else you are arrested for fraud

>>714279015
God that would be so based. Maybe devs would think twice before making a shitty gacha.

>world war 3 happens
>russia nukes europe
>energy goes out
>can't keep game on storefront
>be small dev that once released a gacha
>have 24 hours to restart civilization, get energy back running and get the storefronts back on, or else the government, even if going through an apocalypse, will arrest you for fraud
this law is so retarded

D-DON'T YOU DARE SIGN THE PETITION!
DON'T YOU FUCKING DARE!!!!
I'M A REAL DEVELOPER, LISTEN TO ME!!!!

>>714274697 (OP)
aqua rape

>>714276139
it literally is that easy. The reason the controversy is happening in the first place is coz Jason is a retard who doesn't understand it's really that easy. He used to be the equivalent of a jannie for the real softdevs who actually made the games at the places he used to work, and they would be able to do that shit blindfolded. He's an amateur by comparison which is also the reason the game he's been working for ~10 years has become more vaporware than Yanderedev simulator.

>>714275631
Pretty sure it's trivial to just release the server code and update the client in one day so that people can host their servers

>>714278747
yes it's bait >>714277865

>>714275686
>tfw me
>living in comfy central yurop ( non-germnigger land )
>free of muslimrapists and any other refugee scum
lmao its that easy

>>714274697 (OP)
>>"Thanks to Stop Killing Games, our family has to maintain these games in a 'playable state' forever, or else we get arrested."
you're fucking retarded lmao

>>714277516
Oh no my Spore save might get hacked

>>714277580
>release source code
>some "fans" are too retarded to know how to compile it, so you get fined 100% of your company's profits for the entire history of the company's existence for not giving out a 'playable server binary' or whatever retarded bullshit the 100 year old politicians decide to vaguely write into law
>other "fans" steal your work and just repack it with different assets and profit off your labor with nothing you can do about it
>because you had to release some of your code for free, your IP is now public domain and everyone rips off your game's IP for free, tanking the value of your work
>they turn around and sue you for copyright infringement of your own IP, costing you even more money
sure, sounds great man

>>714278727
don't forget
>you lose the rights to your company's code, but you're still in legal trouble if anything happens to any consumer's pc who tries to run it
>you lose the rights to any IP associated with that product, it becomes public domain
>if any vulnerabilities are discovered 1, 5, 10 years down the line, you have to spend your time and money for free to fix them, or risk fines/jailtime

>>714275631
bait used to be believable

Christ, please for the love of god, shut up. Any country in the EU, most of all West Yurop and Scandinavia, are tutorial countries. A retard baby can lice there and enjoy life. In reality, if you failing in a tutorial country is like filing in the tutorial in a game. You do NOT suffer AT ALL. You enjoy videogames more than shitholes do.

Stop whining , god.

>>714281694
Goddammit. I am drunk. All those typos.

anal sex with aqua in the ass

>>714281694
>>714281789
OP is literally a failed normalfag attentionwhore passfag from swede who has been spamming these lame bait threads with Aqua images for years. It got so bad he had to abandon his 2018 pass due to constant bans. Apparently he is not stopping any time soon huh.

>>714280848
So how does matter when you're dead already? The entire scenario of the OP depends on the dev dying. Can't get sued or fined if you're dead.

>>714282000
based

>>714275631
basically this.
they should put a threshold on this obligation based on your revenue.
if an indie makes 10k a year and cannot sustain it, why force them to do this?
And since this isn't retroactive, you're letting all the big corpos get away with it but new emerging ones are stuck on this. So only the big corpos can do online purchases and nobody else can.
I can totally see China/India abuse this and steal games from indies for a quick buck.
Honestly, this is just a stupid pirating movement because pirates used to be quiet and pirate and shut up and stupid normies decided to get in on this crap. Nobody cares about an online game from 1990 with no community.

>>714274697 (OP)
maybe your retarded cuck dad should have invested in life insurance or had a single friend who could take over his business so his family wouldn't be fucked over by his untimely demise. guess you better start learning to code lmao!

anal sex with aqua in the mouth

>>714274697 (OP)
I wish this really was what Stop Killing Games was, but unfortunately you're just retarded.

>>714275631
where the fuck is this "patching vulnerabilities" autism coming from? EA doesn't even do that with the games they still supposedly support

>>714276139
Just release server programs for the game and people can run their own servers. Dumbass.

>>714276139
sim city 2013 said this about offline mode and modders did exactly what they claimed was impossible, in under a day

aqua facesitting sph

The amount of strawmanning in this thread could generate a black hole

>>714274697 (OP)
this sounds like a plot for a light novel

So far not one single person addressed OP's concern with concrete arguments.

>>714282658
He could just release the server he already had from the beginning. You can't develop a multiplayer game without having a server binary to test with, the locked-down "official-only" server path comes much later when you're trying to monetize.

>>714274697 (OP)
This is what pie-rat softdick actually believes lmfao

>>714284918
>just release the server that relies on weekly patches to keep working bro it will magically be playable next month

>>714284852
The initiative specifically for one targets publishers and since most indies use Steamworks for online servers this would literally be a steam rather than indie dev issue dumbasses. Why does everyone create scenario to work themselves up over that doesn't exist. You're retarded

>>714284852
>"Hey guys, gravity doesn't exist because I say so"
>"Wow what a fucking retard let's ignore that guy"
>"No one debunked that guy, that means he's right!"

>>714285384
Ah so the initiave will force Steam to maintain every single game in its storefront forever. That is so much better! Instead of killing indie devs they just want to kill Steam! Alright anon you convinced me I'm on board!

Holy shit the absolute state of the normalfags supporting this.

>>714285575
One, it doesn't work retroactively you moron.
Two
>stream introduces offline hosting tools for server infrastructure
>literally just a lan lobby will do
Wow problem solved, you are retarded.

>>714275631
>>714274697 (OP)
>>714276139
Hey Jason!

>>714285810
Noo but you don't understand anon this law that doesn't even exist yet will force steam to fix every bug and exploit of every game ever and force them to offer full customer support to anyone wanting to play of one these discontinued game and if they don't comply France will drop a nuke on their office

>>714284852
What concern?

>>714274697 (OP)
Or you just release the files to be available for download for anyone interested!

>>714274697 (OP)
>>714284852
Nice try, Maldavius Figtree.
Now why don't you try reading what the initiative actually is before you make your next video?

why is her
Butt so big
Her skirt so short
And her pan so no?

>bundle server software with the game
>for multiplayer let users select a server ip
>for singleplayer automatically spin up a local server in the background
yes, it is this easy to be stop killing games compliant

>>714286589
She is goddess

NIGGA HEIL HITLER

>>714286749
goddess of anal

>>714286858
Today's the only day I've ever wished I was europ*an

>>714284918
why does everyone default to this?
>release your binaries
fuck you, it's my game, it's using online connections to monetize and if you don't like it, go play something else. Why the fuck do I owe you anything?
And what, game isn't profitable anymore, why do I need to keep it going? for a handful of no-name twitter nobodies to play once in a while?

>>714287057
that's not Iori though

>>714284918
And then the retard grifter is right:
>law goes into effect
>a bunch of indians/autists want to steal your game
>push bots and overload your servers to the point that you don't make money
>crash but the law requires you to have the binaries out
>scammers steal it and coopt it
The only people that can avoid this are the megacorpos that are already ahead of the game and have the money to sue internationally, not indies.

>>714287357
Iori is the anal idol.

>>714274697 (OP)
>Auto-assigned to a game developer job.
Don't see the problem.

>>714279415
This
As someone who does, as far as I can follow, a similar job, I am NOT IT. My job can best be described as polishing the shit IT gives me, wrestling the network to get things to work, and filtering the idiot questions of the even less tech literate staff, before kicking any actual problems upstairs. A solid quarter of my job consists of looking around online for solutions to a particular problem while bars fill, then trying those until one works.
It's not a do nothing or pointless job, it does have some understanding requirements above the average person, and I do write some code now and then, but that's NOTHING compared to what the actual computer touchers do. I still cannot follow work conversations between them I overhear, and I can hear the way they change how they describe things so I can make sense of them. That's the best way to describe what I do, I think, I'm the adapter between actual experts, and regular people. I take the time wasting non-questions, and do the finicky shit like gluing shit together on a web page so it looks nice, but I do not manufacture any of the various black boxes that are sent to me, that I barely understand besides where to plug them in, that actually do shit.
The difference is either nobody told him what he was doing wasn't actually game developing, he just saw "video game" manifest around him, and thought what he was doing was central to that process, or he's just desperate for the kind of prestige that comes with it, and his mouth is writing checks his ass can't cash. Given the handful of interactions I've seen that are visible enough for him to enter my field of awareness, I'd say it leans the latter, he seems kinda like an insecure, cowardly person, who would have a hard time not punching up an unflattering resume to be a superhero. He doesn't seem as utterly clueless and ditzy as it would take to genuinely believe whatever secondary or cleanup tasks they had him doing just magically results in a video game.