Supposedly this is the best game ever made. Is it?

>>714286729 (OP)
yes

>>714286729 (OP)
yes
/thread

>>714286729 (OP)
Yes!

>>714286805
>>714287056
Ocarina of time plays like a downgraded dark souls though.

>>714286729 (OP)
No.

>>714287118
Gee, i wonder why

>>714287118
>downgraded dark souls
Dark souls can't be downgraded any further It's a slop franchise made for edgy larpers and normies.

>>714286729 (OP)
ALTTP is better but it's a solid 9 still.

It's good but not the best game ever made

It's not even a good game. Phantom Hourglass does everything better than it.

>>714287343
kek

>>714287307
Thanks for letting us know you're bad at dark souls.

>>714287343
zozzle, you probably liked spirit tracks too

>>714287118
thats a funny post to make considering how well link maneuvers compared to the souls shitboxes.

>>714287841
Link is clunky as shit though.

>ALTTP mentioned

>>714287118
Dark Souls kind of is an updated OOT thougheverbeit. Even Gwyn is basically Ganon 2.0, melancholy final battle and everything.
>>714287841
Souls has great hitboxes

>>714286729 (OP)
Yes, but you had to be there.

>>714287118
>rollslopper
opinion discarded

>>714287431
>tHanks For LettInG Us KNow YOu'rE baD at Dark soULS

Shut the fuck up nigger it's always retards who think these games are any sort of difficult. Your game is dogshit solid 6/10 peak at DS2 with all other games falling under it. Only enjoyable part is playing with friends this shit is on par with Fotm friendslop with the same level of difficulty. File name related.

>>714289003
Damn he got receipts anon btfo. Who really lost though you played rollslop to completion 4x

>>714286729 (OP)
Yes

>>714286729 (OP)
No. It was great in 1998 and for maybe a decade after but it hasn't aged as well as some of the other Zeldas (Link's Awakening, Wind Waker). I feel like I'm more qualified to say this since I bought OoT on release and it was my favorite game for a long time. This is just one of those things where people repeat something enough times that everyone starts to believe it. Good game still but nowhere near the best ever, and not even the best Zelda.

>>714289504
>It was great in 1998 and for maybe a decade after
You need to remember zooms went from being 11 to 21 years old playing roblox, fortnite and gta 5 the whole way through, they dont really understand stuff was new at one point

>>714289003
100%ing a game you hate just to own the faggots who like it is one of the most based things a person could do.

>>714286729 (OP)
It's fine. The vibes are peak, but the pacing's terrible, everything post-water-temple sucks because they made the mistake of making boots an equipment item, rather than a C item so you have to constantly switch them on and off, and dungeons don't present meaningful mechanical or mental challenges. Arin clocked its flaws correctly decades before you retards did, pic related
>inb4 muh use deku nuts or other tools that mostly just turn the combat off or reduce the waiting by like 20%, and it's okay
case in point.

OOT's like Ctizen Kane. It's not actually a bad movie, but people massively over-suck its dick because it's just a visible point all critics move towards agreeing on, because it's something that everyone with taste at least kinda likes a little and therefore becomes
>since everyone says it's good, it must be best of all time
and it just ain't so

>>714287118
>>714289504
correct

>>714286805
wrong

>>714291778
>i have to move in 3d space to avoid enemies? THIS IS A CHORE
Arin is a faggot, not reading the rest btw

>>714292074
When the camera is as AIDs as OOTs? Honest minds will admit he's right.

>>714286729 (OP)
Yeppp

>>714286729 (OP)
I had played it once before, many years ago, and now Im replaying it with ship of harkinian. Even today it is still a fantastic game.
It kind of feels like something that dark souls always wanted to be but never could.

>>714291591
I agree. Based gamer chad

>>714286729 (OP)
It is absolutely iconic and at the time was revolutionary anyone who didn't play it at release just won't understand peoples appreciation of the game because it has aged like shit and feels crude and awkward because many of the games mechanics and system which have become genre staples have been built upon and refined by the many games that have come after it that it just feels clunky and outdated to play today (because it is). It doesn't deserve to be called one of the best games of all time but it is definitly one of the most influential.

>>714289003
You know you could've just completed the game and that would've sufficed. Why exactly did you waste your time trying to get every achievement if you only think these games are slightly above average anyway?

game made for brown people

>>714286729 (OP)
People who unironically think this and that everything this game presents is somehow better and outdesigns games in the modern age don't even fully pay attention to the games they are playing and are mindless consumers who are worthless to society because it shows that they don't even pay attention to what they are supposedly passionate about. This game was good when it came out and is akin to an okayish game nowadays. Nothing more and nothing less.

>>714293071
nta but the ability to immediately give losers who say
>hurrrr you just dislike it because ur bad at it
an instant "bitch, I'm PROVABLY way better than you"
shutdown is worth something, and it only takes eg 3 playthroughs of DS to do it. If you can beat it once, the other two are pretty breezy.

>>714286729 (OP)
I replayed it recently and it's still a fantastic game. Not sure I would call it the best game ever made though.

>>714287118
I played like 1 hour of dark souls and it has terrible collisions and movement. Simply walking in a game shouldn't feel bad.

>>714288924
You can block too you know.

>>714293864
Its flaws are easier to diagnose with the collective knowledge of everything that has come out since, but this moment still fucks.

>>714286729 (OP)
It wasn't even the best Zelda game on the N64, let alone the best game of all time. Overhyped by the most annoying fans know to mankind.

>>714293314
>okayish
okayish huh, ok name 30 games from the last 3 years that mog OoT, should be trivial right. low iq retard

the people who tell you oot isn't the goat are the same people with 2k hours in genshin impact.

>>714286729 (OP)
Yes, you just had to have played it when it first came out and never have seen a game like it before.

>>714286729 (OP)
honestly maybe
i think i enjoy lttp more but the consistency of the quality of oot is unmatched

It's good because even nowadays it is smooth.

>>714287091
>Nintendo announcing OotR by reanimating the opening with modern graphics to close out a Direct.
The internet would melt.

I didn't enjoy it that much, then again I played the 3DS version.

>>714294041
I miss Ganon.
I miss him a lot.
I hate Skyward Sword so much it's unreal.

This thread is not very good. I'm posting it anyways.
https://files.catbox.moe/aidnmk.zip (OOT)
https://files.catbox.moe/y4e82l.zip (MM 2ship)
https://files.catbox.moe/0bl8bv.zip (MM Recomp)

>>714286729 (OP)
>best story & characters
>best map
>best secrets
>best enemies
>best quests
its objectively the best zelda game, but some people prefer other games in the zelda series
the zoomer schizofaggot switch fans will call you a snoy for saying this game is good

>>714286729 (OP)
Played OOT for the first time about a year ago with zero nostalgia going in.

If I had to rate different parts of the game?
>Soundtrack
>A E S T H E T I C S
11/10, it's pure audio-visual sex. You aspire to make gaming tracks that hit half as hard as these ones, you aspire to make intros half as sexy as that moon descent, you fucking wish you could make a game that feels like watching that stupid fucking tree die, and it never fucking stops hitting these notes. Off the charts. Actually insane. I can see why some of you retards who don't care about anything else can stop here and just say "best game". I can't.

>Graphics and world design, separate from aesthetics
6/10. inoffensive old game looks, but shit like hyrule field and the hylian lake is a massive nothingburger with nothing in it. Other zones do better but it's like you all forget how ass open world games with nothing in them are when you discuss OOT, despite it doing the same shit.

>Gameplay
5/10, feels dated even within the series. Wind waker onward mogged its combat system by eg adding parries, weapon pickups, and better monsters to fight with, and people comparing it to eg dark souls are correct. It's exactly the same mechanics, we just got way better at using them over two decades.

The puzzles are fine, but they're dog simple. The only puzzles that gave me any trouble while 100%ing it blind was some push block bullshit in the water temple, one tough key in the water temple, scarecrow song locations (what a dogshit mechanic), a handful of rumble vibration hole things (again, what a dogshit mechanic), and one or two steps of either the sword or mask trading quest that aren't well signposted who actually wants shit. I'm fucking old, fuck games making me talk to every NPC in the game.

It still was fun, but not best ever. We've come so far on making good dungeon crawling, puzzle, sword combat, talking to people games. I just assume you haven't played many games after it if this is your best.

>>714286729 (OP)
Maybe not the best but it might be the most influential game of all time.

>>714286729 (OP)
maybe like...30 years ago. zelda games have long surpassed it. ootsnoys will cry otherwise though.

>>714291591
Fuck I should get prepare to die edition for $500 on G2A so I can get the soulsfags to shut the fuck up

>>714286729 (OP)
the Ace Attorney romhack was great

>>714286729 (OP)
>Supposedly this is the best game ever made. Is it?

Absolutely not, but is it still a good game? Yes. Very much so. I say this as a Zelda fag who played the franchise from 2-15 years old and loved playing it everytime.

>Incredible music that the other versions of Zelda haven't been able to replicate (See Gerudo valley theme)
>Fun open world content that both Adults and children can enjoy playing
>Dungeons were ok enough to enjoy (Yes even the fucking water temple)
>Fishing mini game

>>714291778
Pretty much everything this anon says too.

It's good, hell I'd say it was THE game for its time but it has its flaws that people chose to ignore because of nostalgia.

Yes. Also yes, Souls is garbage.

>>714286729 (OP)
Zeldafags always say newest 3d zelda is the best game ever made during the honeymoon phase

>>714296853
post these amazing games i'm waiting. if they are so numerous and so vastly superior to the 5/10 gameplay of oot you must be able to produce dozens of examples, right?

>>714286729 (OP)
Its basically a perfect archetypal 3d action adventure game

>>714287118
this is such a hilarious take. if you've played more than 10 video games the difference in polish alone when it comes to movement and combat mechanics should be readily apparent.

>>714296853
Maybe it is just the nostalgia talking but I do think the gameplay and world design are better than what you’re rating them. But you’re 100% right about the aesthetics and audio. It’s essentially the touchstone for the entire series now. Sure, other games have been referenced but if you want to tug at the heartstrings of a modern Zelda fan you thrown in the first few notes of a track from Ocarina of Time and watch the 10/10s roll in.

>>714297514
I mean, it depends on what you're going for. If you want zelda, obviously just play more zelda: wind waker had better puzzles, totk and botw had better combat, twilight princess had better porn.

If you like the combat system, literally every fromsoft game pretty much implemented
>"oot combat, with a e s t h e t i c s"
and each time did it different and better. they're basically all 10/10s.

If you're looking for dungeon crawlers that use zeldic shit (heart containers, hearts, etc.) and expand on it, roguelites and indies have been on an insane run for the last half decade in the space. Binding of Isaac, bastion, hades, spelunky, noita are just a few off the top of my head that are all easy insanely great games.

If you're looking for light exploratory or instanced puzzle dungeon and walkaround games, we recently had outer wilds, obra dinn, the witness, journey, and portal 1 and 2, all of which are at least crazy and some of which are just straight up masterpieces.

Like, seriously, what the fuck are YOU playing these days if you still think ocarina of time's gameplay is, more than 20 years later, genuinely the limit of the state of the art? It's fine but dated, that's just how the passage of time works when people keep making good shit.

>>714298015
Link controls like a slow piece of shit in oot

>>714299521
only if you're an ADHD faggot

>>714299279
yes the witness is a 10/10 and oot is a 5/10 i understand your position completely. sadly, and this is probably news to you, you are retarded. if that was too abstract of a dismissal, and honestly your tripe of a post doesn't deserve anything better, just look at how you had to glean the biggest critical darlings you could find from the last 15 years (no seriously) to beat the 5/10 oot's gameplay. where are all these 6/7/8/9 out of tens of that should be mogging it? why can't you come up with a game that doesn't have an overwhelmingly positive response huh? retard, just so stupid

>>714286729 (OP)
ngl I played the game first the first time in 2018 as a 22 year old with no nostalgia. Went into it trying to be open minded about how dated it is.

One playthrough later and it's a Top 10 game for me.

>name over a dozen games as requested
>find one you disagree with
>u are wrong
so were you born retarded, or raised to become retarded?

>>714299679
Cope retard.

>>714300270
meant for
>>714300134
I'm retarded too, but snorkeling retarded, not your brand of marianas trench submarine retarded.

>>714299279
Saying every Fromshit game is a 10/10 and OoT is a 5/10 is mongoloid tier homie. OoT is like a million years old, and a game where the focus is not solely on the combat mechanics, and it's way more functional than all fromshit pre bloodborne at a minimum. It's also incredibly disingenuous to even cite those games when they contain massive amounts of oot dna, just like bringing up your mom's ass to try and downplay the quality of my dick.

>>714286729 (OP)
no, link to the past/links awakening is best ever.

>>714300367
>>714300270
just admit what you said was wrong. justifying oot as a fucking 5/10 while furiously googling "10/10 games that are like zelda" is peak retard behavior. just don't post such stupid shit in the future, dog.

>>714300421
>wtf do you mean
>other people expanded upon old and influential games!!!!
>that means the original game is better for existing, rather than the game that later did it better!!!!!!!!
somebody call a games journalist, we've got a hot scoop!

>>714300578
Can't because it's true. 5/10 gameplay doesn't make it a 5/10 game also, retard. If I had to rate it it'd probably be a wobbler 8-10/10, I lean lower because the gameplay is dated, but I'd happily give it an affirmative action point or two because despite being old, it's slick: the music and aesthetics really do hard carry the ride in a way that shouldn't be understated. Genuinely gorgeous.

Gamplay's still mid as hell, sorry to break it to you.

>>714286729 (OP)
>Is it

>>714301092
>gameplay can age
>gameplay can be dated
ridiculous and incredibly retarded garbage. it was goated from minute 0 to the credits when it came out and it is now. stupid animal haha

>>714287118
I didn't know gen alpha already infested this board. Good grief.

>>714301338
It definitely can. Eg take anno 1602: that game was a pretty decent light resource collection-focused RTS. Was pretty good for the time.

Only supported 640x480p resolution and didn't support the mouse scroll wheel, because many computer mice at the time including the apple mouse didn't have it. playing it today without the remaster that adds it feels like shit, because computer monitors got a lot better since then and the game still has dozens of scrollable menus, it's just you have to repeatedly click a "next page" arrow instead to do your scrolling.

Above's a trivial example but little details like this show up across dozens of other mechanics where somebody realizes something like
>maybe we shouldn't infinitely loop an ALERT! warning sound effect any time you're at low health, that gets annoying after a while
they fix it, and the space just subtly improves such that if you go back to games before the lesson was learned, they feel dated. OOT gets hit by this across a half-dozen dimensions for its combat and puzzles. it's just the passage of time.

>>714286729 (OP)
I don't think it's as good as Super Metroid.
And if you want to get into the weeds there is an argument to be had about so much of Ocarina's appeal having to do with non-gameplay elements (like its music, art direction, story, etc.), compared to a game that's almost platonically perfect and carried by its sheer gameplay, without story or art or music, like Tetris. Is Ocarina of Time a great game, or a great European fairy tale inspired art experience with mediocre gameplay attached to it?
And then there are a lot of games you could argue are "the single best game ever made" (although I think this is as immature as trying to single out a single painting or a single sculpture or a single song as the "best ever" - even if Beethoven's 9th is the best piece of music ever written)

However

Ocarina of Time is probably within the top 30 games ever made, and probably within the upper end of that.

>>714301940
>no the controls are slightly different than my arbitrary standards, it has AgeED!!!
lmao, hahaha. keep them coming doggy

Bot thread made to farm site engagement.

>>714302097
Pretty much everything from this. Best game's pretty much gotta be determined by asking
>best game, at what?
Because tetris is obviously best game in the engineering sense of
>there is absolutely nothing you could change about it without making it a worse experience
>you can apply paint jobs to the experience but the core is truly immutable, all deviation will be punished by ruining it
but eg
>what's the most fun game?
probably doesn't end with tetris or oot at the final top, even if oot's a really good game that would probably smoke 99.99% of games on
>what game uses music and aesthetics to most effectively "build a vibe" that feels like something?
where it's easily gonna be top 1-10.

>>714304407
this is just stupid. tetris isn't a perfect monolith, there have been literally hundreds of iterations (including several before even the sacred cow versions like gameboy or nes) that have improved the game in meaningful ways. you and that other guy are just sitting the midwit valley trying to pontificate into the void on like, what even defines a game man, like it's uniquely insightful. trying to scientifically compare tetris to oot is pointless and totally meaningless, it's like trying to compare the venus de milo to mount rushmore because they're both rocks.

>>714304407
>oot vs tetris randomly
>but it's actually oot vs the idea of tetris (real tetris has never been tried before)
braincells dying

Ocarina of Time cemented itself as a timeless game for how much it gets right while at the same time being the first of its kind for 3D games, and an unnecessarily complex swordfighting system that the game itself doesn't make use of (the gigaleak and interviews show that Nintendo had been tinkering with swordfighting games as far back as the SNES, specifically with Zelda in mind, but in the end and even up to now it's just not compatible with the kind of game Zelda wants to be-- Skyward Sword shows they were STILL trying to get use out of the idea, but SS doesn't do anything with its swordfighting that couldn't have been accomplished with the previous stick and B button assembly that OoT, MM, WW, and TP used beyond holding the L button to do a Skyward Strike instead of holding a remote or joycon up)

Never forget that Ocarina of Time pretty much introduced and perfected lock-on systems in 3D action games

>>714304941
>>714305230
https://tetr.io/
Either drop a better 40 line time in the next 10 minutes or bow to your sensei.

There's obviously been variants (top lockout rules, spin rules, hard drop, whether you get a hold and its size, whether you get a next window and its length, correct finesse movement, board dimension, whether we play by time or points for scoring) but these are precisely the paint job.

The fundamental underlying core of
>a complete set of tetronimoes descends one at a time, clear horizontal lines, and are scored
is untouchable, and all attempts to fuck with the above absolutely ruin it.

>>714304941
>>714305230
also, https://tetr.io/, first playthrough totally cold. You have 5 minutes to drop a better time, or bow to your sensei.

>>714304941
>>714305230
https://tetr.io/
Cleaned up an earlier double post to it, but drop a better 40 line time in the next 10 minutes or bow to your sensei.

There's obviously been variants (top lockout rules, spin rules, hard drop, whether you get a hold and its size, whether you get a next window and its length, correct finesse movement, board dimension, whether we play by time or points for scoring) but these are precisely the paint job.

The fundamental underlying core of
>a complete set of tetronimoes descends one at a time, clear horizontal lines, and are scored
is untouchable, and all attempts to fuck with the above absolutely ruin it.

schizo just showed up

>tetris player is schizophrenic
Typical slavjank fan.

>>714286729 (OP)
LTTP mogs it

>>714307328
you're just factually wrong. things like how piece rng is decided, piece speed, rotation speed, drop speed, drop distance, and different mechanics that have been iterated over the years like snapping and t-spinning just to name a few are integral changes to the way the game is played. nes tetris plays very different from whatever shit you linked me. you literally just posted the greentext i mocked you for but in sincerity
>but it's actually oot vs the idea of tetris (real tetris has never been tried before)
it's like talking about game design with someone who thinks games just erupt out of the ground. the intentional and meaningful design decisions made by different contributors over the years is not set dressing or a coat of paint you dipshit

>>714296030
He was in Tears of the Kingdom and it was at least more kino than Skyward. But that said I really do hade Fujibayashi's take on Ganon where he's always a "Demon Lord" with generic demonic looks and horns. The whole idea that "Ganon is just so evil, that he... he... he is the ESSENCE of BADNESS... and EVIL flows around him!" is so generic compared to what they did between Ocarina and TP. In those games he's a bad dude with some kind of ungodly persistence, but he is still just a dude whose desires provoke the angst of the gods and his machinations cause evil to arise throughout the world. In SS->TotK this is taken too literally. It had subtext in OoT and Wind Waker where Ganon represents "Greed" and the "Evil of Man" but in the cringe-era of Zelda he's a more banal interpretation of "evil".

>>714287118
t. a zoomer born in 2010

>>714307390
>>714307406
outed for talking about tetris without even being
>kinda shitty at it but still better than a random shitter
many such cases.

>>714307619
Called these out as variants, some of which I literally already named, retard. Naming more doesn't make me wrong. drop a better time or stfu.

>>714307810
I don't need to play Tetris to insult you :/
You're trans btw

Reminder that shovelware slop like Dark Souls doesn't compare at all since it's a 2/10 game franchise overall and even the worst Zelda mogs that third world made game trash. Ignore that trash like we ignore Call of Duty and FIFA all together.

>>714308007
>And lo, did they seethe, for they indeed did not have the deeds to back up their words
>Mark 4:20

>>714291778
>first issue
skill issue

second issue is his bias against 3d in favor of his gameboy game. the issue exists in the gameboy games as well and he even showed it during one of his videos but glazed over it. there are work arounds in both the gameboy games and 3d zeldas.
other issues are extrapolating off of his bad premise and not worth discussing.

fucking kids think someone is worth listening to just because he talks in front of a camera and sounds smart >implying

>>714304407
>but eg
>>what's the most fun game?
This is an interesting question. Because what is "fun"?
Trying to define it seems to miss the point entirely!

>>714308135
you died to the undead rolling the barrel down the stairs didnt you?
>souls ruined gaming by making gameplay center stage aaaieiieeee
kek

Looks like the OoTrash fags are getting uppity again.

>>714308258
>I'm trans
Very cool, sister :3

>>714308572
you pressed Z right at the start ಠ_ಠ

>>714308572
/u1MZt5jWxeH7vdfD4x4RyQ==/;stub:no;

>>714305275
>Ocarina of Time cemented itself as a timeless game for how much it gets right while at the same time being the first of its kind for 3D games
Mega Man Legends

>>714308865
...is dead, and Capcom killed it.

>>714308931
Dumbass

>>714308531
I beat them and still think they're low effort trash that don't deserve any praise.

>>714309048
Necrophiliac.

>>714308865
come on now, that game is cool but nowhere near OOT

>>714308865
Legends flatly didn't do it very well. The important part is not only doing it but doing it well.

>>714286729 (OP)
It's an overrated game that was just okay back then and has aged terribly. Fable was superior in every way and holds up far better

>>714309127
It does nearly everything OOT did mechanically speaking.

>>714296370
ngl I retard

>>714286729 (OP)
It is but you need context, back then was like a caveman running down the cave with a torch to show you the awesome fire. If you were to watch Citizen Kane or Vertigo you'd kinda understand why so many people think they are the best movies made, even after all those years, but I don't think Ocarina holds today to blow you away on its own, you got to appreciate it within context. And yes, back then it was a landmark, can't think of another that tops it.

>>714309273
controls and level design are way worse

OoT is great, i feel like "greatest game of all time" is bait at this point, on the other hand people who think OoT is bad just have shit taste.

>>714286729 (OP)
yeah probably, I mean its definitely up there

i played tp, mm, and oot recently and i have to admit, i used to think oot was the best but it just hasnt aged as well as the others. the dungeons are piss easy or annoying, the world feels dead especially compared to mm. its just not as good as the other two i played.

>>714309408
The point is OOT is nowhere near the revolution fanboys claim it to be. Not even MML is the first 3D adventure game of its kind and it predates OOT.

It is

>>714309826
>didn't do it first
>didn't do it well
>but i'm going to use it to argue anyways
So you're just championing an unremarkable game for no discernible reason.

>>714296853
see the problem with posts like this is that youre way too short sighted in your critique of games, sure there are games that were inspired, innovated and ittirated on every single thing game play wise this game did, but then how can any game be noteworthy or "greatest" in your relative mind, every single game that we consider the best today will be outdone by some future title, but the achievements of that title are meaningless or impossible without the groundwork of the greats today, they are the greats for a reason and trying to compare them 1 for 1 to stuff today means we wont ever be able to recognize greatness or preserve the historical achievements of the medium, OoT deserves to always be remembered if not the greatest game of all time at least among them because of what it accomplished and what it inspired and still inspires to this day

>>714310032
Objection!

>>714310256
Fanboy retardation is really unbecoming.

>>714310464
The MML shilling is pathetic, I agree. You'd think Capcom telling the fans they're unwanted and not creative enough to make MML3 would have been a big enough hint, but alas.

>>714310556
This isn't about shilling MML, it's about half the arguments about OOT being a revolutionary game being outright false. The only thing OOT really excels at is its settting/story.

>>714311052
So you're a brownoid lashing out at your betters, wonderful.

>>714310354
Sure, but your time on earth is limited. You'll be dead soon. The old works are important and notable as historical footnotes, but "best ever" is necessarily a moving target as new bests are reached.

"Most influential", yeah, definitely, but I'd feel hard pressed calling it best when I kinda don't think in terms of enjoyability it's even the best zelda game around when it came out (I liked MM better), it probably isn't the best zelda game today (I think it has more flaws, but I had more fun with WW), and I'd struggle to call it best game of all time when the game part of it, separate from the goated sound and setting work, kinda sucks now.

you need unremovable nostalgia glasses to think stuff like the water temples' repeated menuing is the kind of shit that happens in the "best game of all time".

>>714287091
One of the best title screens ever.

>>714286729 (OP)
I wish someone would remake OoT with MM's movement, combat, and enemy AI. Little things like rolling off edges legitimately making you jump further and faster, and enemies being quicker to attack and willing to gang up on you even when you're Z targeting make the gameplay more satisfying in MM. It'd be cool to have a version of OoT with all those little upgrades.

>>714311573
No. The reason for those improvements in MM is to show that Link became stronger and more skilled after OoT.

>>714311115
I am caucasian and there is a 98% chance I have a much higher IQ than you.

>>714286729 (OP)
>Stop this heresy at once!

>>714311628
It's hard to tell, but this is sarcasm, right?


Anyway, Oot is a good game but there's a lot of combat and it's not the best balanced. There's actually a surprising bit of nuance in it that is completely irrelevant 99% of the time due to enemy and game design. Comes up a bit more if you play romhacks though.

>>714312043
No thats how me and my friends saw it back then when MM came out. I'm pretty sure Nintendo did this on purpose, too. Link is now an experienced warrior, so he gets cool new stuff like doing the flip off edges.

>>714312202
I'm sorry to say, but you're retarded. It's a sequel, it's supposed to have gameplay improvements.

>>714286729 (OP)
/v/ only likes Unreal Engine brown and bloom slop with plots that take themselves WAY too seriously with some generic "aaah" music. Oh, and parrying. It's GOT to have parrying.

>>714311628
>the reason pairs of Stalfos or Lizalfos don't just have one hang back and stare at you while you Z-target the other one for a perfectly uninterrupted duel is totally because of story reasons and not the game going easy on players new to 3D games
No, that's fucking stupid. The enemy AI is gimped and MM un-gimped it in ways that would completely fit OoT if it wasn't so concerned about holding the player's hand. As for the acrobatics, I guess in a way it DOES show that Link improved, but the real reason was to make Link's human form more useful compared to all the mask forms. It's clear they wanted to make sure normal Link had a use case beyond just the sword so that players would want to use him and find him useful. I don't care about the story reason if they can make the platforming, movement, and combat all more fun to do.

>>714312321
>my game has parry

>>714312298
>link got better at doing shit between games
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
What a weird thing to get upset over.

>>714312298
No youre the retarded one. The OoT and MM series was soulful for this reason. They cared more about the art and world of the characters and settings. The fact you cant get this is why you'll never understand the game.

>>714286729 (OP)
It's in the name, buddy. "Of time".

>>714286729 (OP)
Breath of the Wild is superior

>>714312687
>they made the game better because of deep lore, not because it was a direct build upon a previous game
Weird thing to try and defend.

>>714312719
Ok, retard.

>>714313065
You're autistic, so you're allowed to use that word :)

>>714287118
The inspiration Souls took from this game is clear, but they don't really play similarly, with one more focused on combat and the other on puzzles and exploration

I have a guess that Ocarina of Time is overrated by freemasons because it has masonic imagery and subtext.
Same thing with Expedition 33 and it also being overrated to hell right now.
Both games are ok, not even great as far as actual gameplay goes just "ok", but throw in a number 33 or a checkerboard floor in a temple of time and a freemason's brain turns off and they clap.

>>714313065
>seething because the sequel takes place after the preceding game
Good luck, buddy.

>>714289003
Damn he broke you

>>714313214
How did you escape pol and x to post here?

>>714286729 (OP)
well yeah because you have to find something that betters it. though i think sunshine might be the best game ever, but i played it on mute most of the time.

>>714313252
So why does DMC3 have better gameplay despite taking place earlier? Checkmate retard. Feel free to spam basedjacks or whatever trolls do these days.

>>714312957
that game and wind waker are 70% work 30% fun. how do you not understand that it is the addictive/completionist mechanics that compel you to play it more, and not because it's actually good.

>>714309383
Nah, it's still good. Better than almost any modern game.

>>714313704
nta but cause DM3 was not created by Nintendo and led by Koizumi.

>>714313347
>freemasonry is /pol/ and /x/ tier
It's not a secret fraternity, its a fraternity where they keep each other's secrets.
You can google image search "masonic lodge" right now and see what they look like/how the temple of time was inspired by them.

>>714314036
the music, atmospheric sound effects are too good to disregard. super mario 64 is a good example of freemasons taking it too far and pretending that it's good.

>>714313704
>autist is screaming
sad life! all he's good for is making hiro money!

>>714314484
I'd probably rate SM64 more highly than Ocarina personally, but both are overrated.
"Music, atmosphere, and sound effects" have very little to do with whether or not a games gameplay is good, and I can't overlook Ocarina's shitty imprecise Z-targeting. SM64 has much better gameplay.

>>714314775
OOT controls better than SM64.

SM64 is like learning how to do skate tricks, you wake up 20 years later and realize it was all for nothing.

>>714313763
Ocarina of Time is 100% chore, how do you not understand it's nostalgia that carries it.

>>714286729 (OP)
>Supposedly this is the best game ever made. Is it?
Yes
I'm 40 and I have over 900vido gams beaten under my belt, from multiple consoles through multiple generations and Ocarina of Time is special.

>>714315563
>40

Man, time is cruel to us all. In 20 years, you and I will be considered senior citizens and in the range of dying where most people do.

>>714315297
Ocarina of Time has terrible controls.

>>714287118
Dark Souls is a shit stain on the industry. OoT did more than Miyazaki ever did in his lifetime.

>>714315898
>OoT did more
Damage, yes. Not just to the Zelda series which it completely ruined, but to video games as a whole, as the entire early 3D era was filled with complete dogshit games thanks to OoT lowering standards so much and bringing in fags like (You).

Games still kinda suck now, but they're slowly getting better and undoing the cancer that OoT caused. I'm glad Nintendo spit in the face of all you OoTrash fags saying they'll never make another one again and telling you to fuck off forever.

>>714286729 (OP)
Nah, it's genuinely terrible and only tendies who grew up with an N64 pretend it did anything other than popularize casualization in AAA games. OoT isn't even a top 10 game in its own series.

>>714316281
/zcyICDMTT7TSSt+mfCpNCw==/;stub:no;

>>714315506
With your mindset, it'd be hard to find a game that tops all others. They can all be chores.

So N64 Zelda 'discussion' is just a farce to make bot/site engagement farming threads?
Because less than half of you are human.

>>714316636
Where OOT ranks among other games is an interesting discussion to be fair.

>>714294905
no it wouldn't. the oot world would look like shit with modern graphics.

>>714286729 (OP)
>>714286805
>>714287056
>>714287091
It certainly was a very good game at the time, when I was a kid and played it for the first time. But everything is a product of its time. Compared to many games today, it's not very good anymore. You could enjoy it maybe for a 2nd playthrough for a few hours, but it's mostly nostalgia.

>>714316794
But nobody offers any other option. I'm the Super Mario Sunshine poster.

>>714316876

> Compared to many games today, it's not very good anymore

That's where you're wrong, there's literally no other game that tops it.

>>714316876
>it's mostly nostalgia
I played Majora's Mask for the first time 2 years ago and had an amazing time, and I bet it would be the same for OOT.

>>714317161
Bloodborne.

>>714317503
>barely any narrative
>barely any location diversity
>barely any music
>barely any characters
>no puzzles
>all enemies are beat the same, just hit them
yeah lol, lmao

>>714317609
>>barely any location diversity
Stopped reading there, you're retarded.

>>714317503
>feels like a formula recycled
>dark all throughout, no one would want to strain their eyes
>is retarded, only redeeming feature is to tell that you were able to beat it

>>714287118
It has nothing going common with Datk Souls, stop parroting shit people say and play the game.

>>714318074
>gothic city
>some fields
>a forest
>some small university
>a castle
>the nightmares
am I missing something?

>>714318201
I played it on the 3DS.

>>714318415
my condolences

>>714317503
It lost to TW3 which is also garbage which makes it worse. Uninspired slop with no story is worse than sloppy with it.

>>714286729 (OP)
>walking backwards is faster than walking forwards
This is awful game design desu

>>714318551
>caring about story in a video game

>>714286729 (OP)
It's either this, dark souls, or pre 2016 tf2 tbqh.

>>714318819

>>714286729 (OP)
Ocarina of TIme= Reddit
Majora's Mask= 4chan

>>714291591
thats why I have like 600 hours in MGSV so I can expertly explain why anyone who likes it is a fucking retard.

GZ is great though.

>>714316281
How long have you posted the same webm

>>714318779
Yes because there is no point in beating a game that has no narrative nor characters to care about, slopeater.

>>714319270
You play games for fun gameplay you spastic.

>>714294905
they already remade OoT for the 3ds lil bro

>>714318819
uncanny!

>>714287118
Dark Souls
>no story
>no characters
>boring level design
>enemy design is samey
>no puzzles
>music is generic garbage
>no narrative
>terrible sound design
It was beaten by Skyrim which is Bethesda Ubislop and nowhere near OoT quality.

>>714319797
>wow a field with nothing in it at all, such amazing level design

>>714300275
Dilate, ADHD zoomertroon

The whole mentality of making it a contest of what is the best, better than others is dumb.

>>714317161
>That's where you're wrong, there's literally no other game that tops it.
It was topped before it even came out.
>>714317609
The irony of a OoTrash fag saying another game has bad enemies.

>>714286729 (OP)
no picrel completely rapes any Zelda title ever made

>>714319797
>enemy design is samey
>nowhere near OoT quality
Well we wouldn't want to get anywhere near OoT quality enemy design now would we?

>>714320923
/YsOW9GF0avymDBbS5/PV0w==/;stub:no;

>>714321045
Just post the youtube link faggot.

>>714320995
I still learn something new with OoT.

>>714320995
kino

>>714320995
You can fight Iron Knuckle as a kid? What is this speedtranny nonsense?

>>714320937
>Enjoy darksiders 1 and 2
>read that 3 is trash
Should I play it? Or skip and go straight for genysis?

>>714323067
The child section of the Spirit Temple, you obsessed queer.

>>714323339
I don't remember that. I only remember 1 Iron Knuckle with Nabooru inside it that you fight just before the boss as adult Link.

>>714317248
That's because of nostalgia.

>>714286729 (OP)
Yes

i remember a zoomer flamed on oot saying that it is too repetitive and the puzzles are basically shoot the eye switch with an arrow and repeat.

he praised the shadow temple tho.

>>714329159
i am zoomer and i think the shadow temple is the weakest dungeon of oot despite the idea that the royal family aren't squeaky clean good guys themselves being cool

>>714287404
>vastly better exploration
>better characters with more interesting personalities
>comparable dungeon design
>more original scenario/plot
>livelier overworld
>unique control scheme used for various clever puzzles and minigames
>better fishing
The only thing OOT does better is music, that's it.

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