Thread 714340642

Is it really the greatest game of all time?

people sure like saying it is, but only few actually replay it

It has the greatest title screen of all time.

>>714340642 (OP)
Twilight Princess was a more complete version of the OoT concept, but what they were able to do with N64 hardware was nothing short of incredible. It basically set the standard for 3D gaming going forward

I didn't even think it was that good when it came out. I was the exact age everyone got wowed by it. but for me and my family, it was just some other game. We played Gaunlet Legends and Golden Eye way more. We were more impressed with Star Fox than this or Mario 64. Going online to see people screaming it was the greatest game ever was a shock. IIRC my cousin thought Donkey Kong 64 was better.

>>714340642 (OP)
it would've been if there was a minigame with malon where you milk her breasts

I say A Link to the Past, you kneel.

Yes and it's not even close.

>>714340823
this

>>714340714
Use a randomizer to add replay value.

>>714340858
nigga your family sounds retarded. Everyone I knew (white, upper middle-class, intelligent) went fucking crazy for this game. It was absolutely mind-blowing and breathtaking. We thought it would never ever get better than this, and many ways it never did....

>>714340642 (OP)
"the greatest game of all time" is ultimately going to be subjective but Ocarina of Time is up there for it's influence, innovation and widespread appeal without devolving into ultra-safe meaningless slop like Fortnite or the Mario Brothers animated movie. Really a classic game.

>>714340858
>We were more impressed with Star Fox than OoT or Mario 64.
but why? Star Fox is fun but pretty basic and can be beaten by a child in 2 or 3 hours

>>714341246
>what are alternate routes
>what are medals
>what is expert mode
begone shitter retard

>>714341246
>but why? Star Fox is fun but pretty basic and can be beaten by a child in 2 or 3 hours
>another retard who is clueless about arcade gameplay and why it was so important

>>714340642 (OP)
When people talk about the classics, this is one of them.

>>714340642 (OP)
It's probably the peak of the grounded action/adventure genre. Dark Souls is similar but suffers from major flaws in the back end of the game. Other games were probably more influential depending on how you look at it. Stuff like Doom and Street Fighter 2 basically created their genres.

yes

>>714341852
Demon's Souls is the peak, easily.

ALTTP for 2D

>>714340642 (OP)
Eldenring made every game obsolete

>>714340642 (OP)
>ass story
>ass controls
>ass inventory
>ass items that are only useful where they are aquired
>ass progression that requires talking to people and doing dungeons in a strict order
This is just one of those shitty point and click adventures disguised as a real video game, get this out of my sight.

>>714341246
>can be beaten by a child in 2 or 3 hours
Yeah bullshit, Bolse with star Wolf 2 made me suffer as a child and even as an adult playing the remaster it was just as fucked as I remembered.
You retards always say the same shit about SF64, rushing through the game as quickly as possible and getting nothing but 'Mission Complete's and then acting surprised when the credits roll to a shitty ending where nothing happened.

>>714341985
Honestly for me I think Demon's is overall better than Dark Souls since there is no "that level". Dark Souls is still my favorite of the series though.

>>714340642 (OP)
Yeah it's breddy gud.

>>714340642 (OP)
It was bretty good for it's time but aged like ass. If it's your first time playing it sure, but on replays it drags on forever and the dungeons become a chore and the world seems super vast and empty

buncha contrarians in here trying to convince each other its not that good of a game. It is. It is the greatest game of all time and dont let someone tell you different

Somebody in the last of these threads said DarkSiders 2 is better than any zelda title
>"Darksiders 2 was filled with a depressingly empty waste of time overworld with the most lazily gated content I've ever seen in a game, garbage rewards, and quests that 90% of the time amount to fetch quests. And in dungeons the game spams shitty combat encounters that feel the exact same every time. Spam shitty meaningless combo, with combos rarely ever having any difference in substance beyond visual flair and occasionally dodge attacks that track to a ridiculous degree. Then there's the traversal with the braindead modern day "climb to obviously unnatural indented wooden ledge in wall and then press (A) and follow the next unnatural indented ledge. Its superficial traversal. Traversal that pretends you're actually doing anything because you're pressing buttons, but you're actually just following a trail of breadcrumbs from point to point like you're playing "connect the dots". And finally, when there actually IS a puzzle there are like 1 to 3 throughout the entire dungeon. But I want to say, I don't think I've played a puzzle game where "this is the only thing I can do, so it is what I will do" has been ever more true than in this game. I was wondering why some of the puzzles in this game didn't feel satisfying and I think it's because a lot of times I solved the puzzle because it was all I could do at times. There's more to be said about the puzzles but I'm running out of space."
Everything in the greentext is my condensed thoughts on DarkSiders 2. I admittedly never finished the game because of these problems and never made it out of the first world. I would like somebody to tell me why I am wrong if it really is true that DarkSiders 2 is better than any zelda game. Because I also agree that every zelda game is mostly trash and can be done better theoretically

>>714343659
>darksiders 2 bad
Yeah, but also unlike Zeldas pre-botw, it has actual gameplay that amounts to more than putting a square in a squre hole. And combat/parkour actually feel nice, unlike zelda, which, again, didn't feel good to play at all till Skyward sword (only switch ver) and botw. Not counting 2d games ofc, they always played fine

>>714340642 (OP)
It is

>>714340642 (OP)
Only to low-t millennials.

>>714340642 (OP)
It's not even a top 5 Zelda.

>>714340642 (OP)
>greatest game of all time
>no online multiplayer
pack it in

>>714344184
It has online multiplayer though.

>>714340642 (OP)
It's the first console Zelda game with dungeons that took a little longer than just half an hour to complete (at the expense of a compelling overworld), for better or worse.

>>714340642 (OP)
No but it was an n64 game and Nintendo fanboys were just as bad back then as they are now, so they just screamed loud enough. In reality if it was a Sony realise it would be an 8/10

>>714343791
okay, but not only does that have nothing to do with what i said.
but
>it has actual gameplay that amounts to more than putting a square in a squre hole.
youre just crafting narratives now. this is not objectively true not only for zelda, but also in darksiders 2, literally one of the most prominent type of puzzles is pushing or hitting, or exploding a circle ball...into a circle hole...
>And combat/parkour
also you must be retarded or have no standards if you think the parkour is good. it is the most basic reducable "walk up to unnatural indent in wall, and push up, then wall run to next obvious unnatural indent and repeat".

I was trying to start this off not beinh hostile because I want somebody to actually convince me otherwise but.../v/tards get antsy when their preconceptions are actually challenged because they expect them to be immediately validated.

>>714340823
Why does it only replay that one scene from the spirit temple though?

>>714340908
boring and ugly

For me it's

>>714340642 (OP)
In it's genre maybe but I personally don't care for the third person puzzle combat adventure genre.

Why did somebody mention fable being better than this game in one of the past repetitions of this thread? I thought that was a meme game everybody thought was shit.
I dont even get the comparison since what makes zelda different isnt actually the "medieval fairytale adventure" thing. But actually the (admittedly poor) attempt at focused puzzle solving in a deliberate desiged structured interior". But to be fair the overworld (when good) can have decent puzzle solving, so ill just say puzzle solving using available tools in general

>>714340642 (OP)
The fact that so many sites still name Ocarina of Time as "the greatest or most significant or most influential" video game ever only tells you how far video games still are from becoming a serious art. Film critics have long recognized that the greatest films of all times are Citizen Kane and The Birth of a Nation, who were not the most famous or richest or best sellers of their times, let alone of all times. Literature critics rank the highly controversial Joyce's Ulysses over classical novels who were highly popular in libraries around Europe. Video games critics are still blinded by commercial success. Ocarina of Time invented lock-on (not true, by the way), therefore it must have been the greatest. Film critics grow up watching a lot of films of the past, literature critics grow up reading a lot of classical books of the past. Video game critics are often totally ignorant of the video games of the past, they barely know the Nintendo games. No wonder they will think that Ocarina did anything worthy of being saved.

All games should be considered in the context that they were released and what the state of the gaming industry was at the time.

In that context, OoT is one of the greatest games of all time. Of course, if you apply modern standards you could criticize it despite it being developed in such a vastly different time to today. In its time it was one of the greatest games ever made and actually quite revolutionary when it was released. There wasn't really any games analogous to it at the time. It may not be the greatest, it's too crowded of a field to really crown a greatest game as there's no true objective greatest game anymore. But it is a timeless game. The music, the atmosphere, the nostalgia of course is so powerful for someone like me in their late 30s, but I can still come back to this game and play it today an still feel that sense of awe I felt almost 30 years ago, so to me it really is probably my favorite game of all time, even if there's dozens of others I would consider better.

I still just put on the extended soundtracks on youtube from time to time just to immerse myself in the memory and atmosphere that the game had, to bring my mind back to a time in which my life wasn't miserable but filled with wonder and joy.

OoT is not even the greatest Zelda of all time

>>714340642 (OP)
How can it be great if it's not even good?

>>714344545
hey based fellow ocarina of time hater anon, remember my indepth zelda criticism threads that basically completely destroyed this game having any merit so much so that zelda fans even admitted i was right about everything but "durr influential and for kids so actually its still good"

>>714344593
Neither is Breath of the Wild.

I'm not going to reply to your bait or give a (you) but (you) know what you're doing and I'm not rewarding it.

>>714344675
It's the best Zelda game of all time.
It's not the best "Zelda-game", but it is still the best game that is part of the Legend of Zelda.

I don't think most of us are old enough to understand the impact and innovation it had back in the day at this point

>>714340858
Star fox or Star fox 64? Because even back then I felt like star fox played like dogshit.

As for oot I was obsessed with it but never owned it until later so I had to rent it multiple times. There was a time were I thought games like oot and ff7 were overrated but after recently playing them again they really are just that good

>>714344593
Sorry kid, you need a metacritic score of at least 99 to make that claim.

>>714344976
>Metrooncritic

>>714342013
Eldin ring fell for the open world meme. Night reign is actually better surprisingly even though it feels like a cheap cash grab. Future souls games should probably keep the specialized character idea

>>714345095
>Breath of the TROON

>>714340642 (OP)
It was incredible for its time and still holds up as a nice puzzle adventure game, but the real merit of it is that with a randomizer is becomes the greatest 3d metroidvania ever made, and since it also has a wealth of skips/tricks/glitches and variable randomizer settings you can always learn more about the game and still make the perfect difficulty randomizer for your current skill level.
Though the caveat on randomizer is there are a few grottos and random checks you'd have no reason to know about from playing the base game that you do need to learn about those before/during your first randomizer

>>714344545
>The fact that so many sites still name Ocarina of Time as "the greatest or most significant or most influential" video game ever only tells you how far video games still are from becoming a serious art.
The day video games become a "serious art" is the day they die. Looking for the same cerebral qualities that Orson Welles or James Joyce offer in their media is to pervert the point, purpose, and value of video games.
>Film critics have long recognized that the greatest films of all times are Citizen Kane and The Birth of a Nation.
You change the issue there: yes Welles and Griffith are agreed to be among the best directors. But are their films the best films? That's a different question, and their critics' like-mindedness breaks apart on that one. Depends what you mean by "good film", right?
>Literature critics rank the highly controversial Joyce's Ulysses over classical novels who were highly popular in libraries around Europe.
First off, as an author Joyce was was incredibly popular and perhaps the single-most respected author of his day. Controversial, sure, but if there were a best-sellers list of books back then his stuff would've been all over it. So that claim is simply a distortion of history.
Your attempt to distinguish film and book criticism from video game criticism fails, at least insofar as you've presented it. Your examples are weak and undermine your claim, not support it.

>>714344736
It's both of those things.

>>714345765
>3d metroidvania
I didn't even know that was a thing. Where can I get a QRD of what the randomizer does?

>>714344593
pic unrel

>>714344736
It's empty, boring, Ubislop tower shit game, with copy-pasted Bokoblin camps, weapons that break after 5 hits, and dungeons that you run for 10 minutes to reach to do a 20 second puzzle.

Fuck this shit game.

>>714344545
not all of us spend all day on the internet. some of us have real lives and have to deal with the stress and of living and dealing with the public during work. So when I want to play a game I want to relax and experience a bit of whimsy because that sort of stuff keeps me sane. I already read big serious novels to get insight into the human condition and whatnot, I dont need that stuff in my video games. Video games are already art, it takes an artist to put together gameplay, music, setting, story, and all that stuff, it's already taken seriously, but it's also allowed to be fun. Thats why OoT is the greatest.

>>714340858
I can't imagine what it must be like to not have any desire for a sense of adventure. I feel bad for you

>>714340714
I replayed it just last year, and I'm pondering replaying it again.

>>714340852
TP was fun, but I see why people weren't into the long-ass intro.

I lost my save data at Snowpeak. I should really get back to it...

>>714340903
This.

>>714345921
It randomly replaces every item, chest and free standing heart piece with the contents of a different check. You don't get the "exploring a new zone" feel of a metroidvania, but you do get the progression where you're just going around a semi open world trying to open every chest available to you with the items you have until you find an item that unlocks new areas/new checks in old areas. As you play more, you can add more randomization elements, like shop items, merchant deku scrubs, playing epona's song for cows (they normally give milk but each cow becomes a check), etc, and even randomize which dungeon entrance leads to which dungeon, grotto entrances (so certain grottos that are normally useless now have a reason for you to know about and check), and even randomizing every entrance in the overworld so you can enter lon lon and end up in death mountain crater. There's logic systems so it's all beatable

If you're interested, find an item tracker to get used to the checks that barely any casual player knows about for your first few go's at it. If you learn glitches/tricks you can add those tricks in so the logic accounts for you being able to do them, and if you get to the point of mastery and make it all the way to entrance randomizer you do get a bit of that metroidvania exploring new areas feel when you have to map out the whole game in your head and every time you unlock a new area

>>714340642 (OP)
that's not Dark Souls

>>714345921
>>714347315
Oh and in general people have made randomizers of a lot of old games, and even new ones (like elden ring since souls games had been getting randos for a while). Not many of them have a proper metroidvania feel to the progression, but they're usually still fun for a fresh replay of something.

I hold oot in high regards because I have a huge knowledge repository of oot glitches from watching zfg too much and I basically tried to learn a new trick every run until I made it to the point I could do entrance rando, but without focusing on improving knowledge and increasing settings I could see base rando getting stale fairly quickly. I just like to sing its praises because entrance rando is so much fun but the entrance barrier is too fucking high for anyone but determined autists to make it to

>>714347848
Kek
>no narrative
>no characters
>levels are dull and gray
>enemy design is samey
>combat is worse than OoT's
>music is generic orchestral slop
>0 puzzles
>no day and night cycles
>becomes the worst game ever after 2nd half

>>714340642 (OP)
It's definitely up there, I've never played another game that has really captured the same level of atmosphere

>Inb4 blinded by nostalgia
I'm a zoomer who likes to play retro games , Ocarina of Time and Majora's Mask are both some of the best games ever made. Also Zelda 2 is criminally underrated among the Zelda fan base , I don't know what they hate it so much. It's genuinely on par with the first two Castlevania games and Metroid

>>714340642 (OP)
Yes, but I still prefer Majora's Mask.

>>714347848
>that's not Dark Souls

It's hilarious that the rom hack thread is an absolute shit show but this one is pretty chill despite having a bait OP.

>>714348935
Its because OoT is so shit I dont need to prove it anymore. No matter the objective facts of the matter, people will come up with any and every rationalization for this shitty game. Im over it.

>>714349213
>I dont need to prove it anymore
You can't prove it , that's the issue. Now how's seethe about it somewhere else lil bro

>>714345765
>>714347315
>>714348135
The Paper Mario and Sekiro randomizers I played were stupidly fun, I love this shit.

>>714340642 (OP)
It is a landmark title that established expectations of the action adventure genres as a whole. It is an important game from historical perspective. Best game ever. No, Not even the best 3D zelda. Compared to other early 3D title it has aged significantly better the majority of them.

>>714340642 (OP)
Nah, but it is really fucking good and probably the best Zelda game. People calling it the best game ever for years have raised people's expectations too much.

This thread is also auto-generated, but I will post it again regardless.
https://files.catbox.moe/aidnmk.zip (OOT)
https://files.catbox.moe/y4e82l.zip (MM 2ship)
https://files.catbox.moe/0bl8bv.zip (MM Recomp)

>>714349213
I'm over your mom (I just had sex with her).

>>714349213
I bet you play bg3 and e33 don't ya

>>714349678
Based.

>>714349298
>>714349693
>>714349732
Retards and Losers dont even know about my indepth essay threads on Ocarina of Shit.

>>714340642 (OP)
second only to breath of the wild

>>714349732
>BG3 and E33 bad
not even him, but you're a retard.

>>714349839
Essayfag wouldn't brag about his essays, he would write an essay about his essays.
I accuse you of being a lying liar who lies.

>>714349839
I know about your mom's in-depth pussy.

Less than 20~30% people actually beat video games, so that's irrelevant anyway.

>>714340852
It wasn't, Kakariko Village and Hyrule Castle are boring and full of nothing in Twilight Princess, plus they look like ass. In Ocarina it's full of soul.

>>714340642 (OP)
no thats undertale

>>714350078
I like TP Kak but I agree, there's not much there and it's essentially just a long hallway.

>>714340642 (OP)
Yes, no question about it.

>>714341246
Please watch marks videos.

>>714349936
No youre baiting. Its too pointless to type up anything effort related about OoT ever again, ive written too many essays on the game. Far more than maybe any game ever, and OoT fans are the most deranged delusional, self fellating retards ever. They will just ignore everything or move the goalposts because they cant counter argue. That's why so many subhuman retards need to appeal to speedruns and randomizer. Theyre pathetic losers that engage with games like toys. They dont actually appreciate the design and intentionality of Ocarina of Time itself, so they take apart its constituent parts to be used together as something other purely for their own personal benefit and feeling.

I hate the "is le game art" debate because art isnt so magnanimous that it deserves some grand debate just by virtue of its name. But one of the primary reasons videogames cant be art, is because gamers dont actually care about videogames. They care about whatever vague disconnected feeling it gives them. Irrespective of whether its an actual emergent property of the game itself.

But the biggest reason I hate the art debate, is that this is just as true of "art" in the modern day "death" of the author is just an affirmation that expressions of a unique mind or set of minds, can just be reduced to whatever personal, capitalisticlike value can be derived from it. Where "art" is just something to be "used" not appreciated. Its value is purely conditional on what it can provide to "ME".

The problem with OoT is not that it does not work for me. Infact the very reason it is my most hated game is that it inherently appeals to me structurally far too much. The fundamental problem with Ocarina of Time is that it doesnt even do well, what it positions itself to do. It cant bring together its constituent parts properly enough to even be consistent.

>>714350487
Essayfag had better grammar and punctuation, you are a gay and homosexual copycat.

>>714340928
dark souls

>>714350609
retard loser.

>>714350628
I couldn't get into this game.

>>714350628
How would a zoomer get into Deus Ex?

>>714350725
Go for the vanilla experience if you can or get Deus ex revision (free overhaul mod) for the game.

>>714343659
and how many times did oot have you climb flat vines on a wall?

>>714340642 (OP)
i think it should be somewhere on everyones list but i think 'greatest game' should be a very personal thing. if your greatest game is this, i would think you don't play videogames enough to develop preferences. it is not so perfect that it solves every single person's niche so i think its bullshit when this is the answer. for example, the combat sucks. it doesn't actually offer very much for action fans. as an adventure, it is great, and i think if greatest lists subdivided into genres this could be number 1

>>714350725
The PS5 port is the best way, the PS2 port was already good, and the PS5 improves the few issues it had

>>714344218
Based. Way ta own that troon.

>>714351163
I'm asking about a PC game, anon, please do not shill your console at me.

>>714349897
Not my kind of games. Regardless, the implication was that he's a crybaby child hypocrite who only doesn't like it because other people do, while turning around and circlejerking other xitter spamgames. You're the real retard for being a member of their volunteer defense militia.

>>714350725
Just play it.
>T. Zoomer-boomer (late 90's)

Obligatory Kentie's Launcher recommendation. It's literally braindead easy to use (just download and run/install .exe) and fixes some rendering issues caused by modern hardware, plus it has built-in graphics configuration and mod manager. GMDX or New Vision are decent mods if you want better graphics, but keep in mind they also change some skills and weapon balance. I can't tell you about other mods, though. I haven't tried Revision, either.

It's also on sale pretty often. It's only a buck on Steam right now, and $3.50 on GoG.

>>714350078
I kind of like TP Kakariko. OoT is the GOAT though. It's comfy.

>>714350976
What about my spiel made you think that just because Im critical of DarkSiders 2 that I somehow hold OoT in high regard? I have never criticized a game as much as I have criticized Ocarina of Time. Its the worst glorified game of all time, and has probably objectively held the entire industry back by heing held up as the standard to meet.

Its just unfortunate that DarkSiders 2 doesnt really escape that. And in some ways is even more poorly distributive in content. Maybe it gets much better later, but i doubt it. Thats almost never the case with these type of games or games in general, they rarely get better as they go on.

>>714351242
>dood I'm le heckin' Pee Sea mustard race!!!
fuck off and kys retarded zoomer

>>714340823
Pokemon Silverfags, our cope?

>>714340714
>being this clueless

>>714344607
By being great.

>>714346648
Dark souls does both.

>>714351248
>Kentie's Launcher
I've heard of that. Thank you, anon. Do you recommend the tutorial or should I just jump right in?

>>714348412
>>no narrative
>>no characters

>>714348412
also
>>0 puzzles
guess you never made it to the bed of chaos

>>714351378
Seeth more, nobody cares about your children's toys.

>>714340642 (OP)
yes

>>714351832
>$2000 gaymer PC with LGBTQ flashing lights
>not a children's toy
And no, you don't need your PC for work, you work a shit dead end job, or are probably just a fucking neet depending on mommy

No. Resident evil 4 is

>>714351378
I'm not buying a PS5 for Deus Ex.

>>714352112
You should already have a PS4 or PS5 you fucking dumb turd world subhuman

>>714340642 (OP)
I don’t know about you guys but I wouldn’t mind another game in this exact style. Tight knit rpg with vertex lighting. Just give it some hdr for the hdr fags and you got a solid product.

>>714350725
good luck. any game where you can't immediately say 'i am having fun', is pointless. i don't know if you have to be a cityfag to get the game but the world didn't interest me and the gameplay sure as fuck didn't. meanwhile, i can play the comparable morrowind and enjoy that just fine. if the concept of the game interest you, then you might like it, otherwise don't play it just because it is "a classic". you'll just be another faggot like me in threads like this filtered by the most awful gameplay imaginable

>>714352148
Only an Indian would get mad at being told their shilling is unwanted and ineffective.
May the next life be kinder to you.

>>714351107
>i think it should be somewhere on everyones list
personally I think a lot of the 4 (5) zeldas are interchangable with each other. For example a lot og people my generation have wind waker as their favorite. I wouldn't be surprised if anyone else had that because the love the sea or the cute and comfy atmosphere.

>>714352481
is it just because wind waker was their first? my family, including myself, were all alienated by the artstyle shift. playing it again later, i strongly disliked the sea gimmick. if i weren't picking up rupees it could have been any other series and i don't think it holds up at all today

>someone makes a thread
>"would OoT still be a beloved game if it came out today?"
>I go into the thread and reply "It was just rereleased on 3ds to widespread critical and commercial acclaim, so yes
>someone replies
"Just rereleased? Anon OoT3D came out in 2011
>mfw OoT3D's release is now closer to the release of the original OoT than it is to the present day

>>714352780
Yes thats what I meant by my gen. Though I'd disagree it doesn't hold up but maybe I'm biased.

>>714347315
I'm obsessed with doing OoT3D no logic, every entrance shuffled, every item except random loot randomized runs. It's extremely fun but as soon as I'm stuck with not having the ocarina, not having magic or the hammer it gets extremely tiring when I have to roam through everything or notice that I need to play Zelda's lullaby at a great fairy to get Zelda's lullaby. But there's also great appeal for glitch hunting to find out whether there's still a way to uncover new ones to get these items anyway or to skip locations where Zelda's lullaby or the hammer is needed for example. There's really a certain magic to be forced to use glitches as new game elements, especially as so many have already been discovered for OoT and OoT3D.

>>714351652
You can jump right in if you want. The tutorial isn't very long at all, though, and it does help introduce you to some things that aren't really explained early on. Explosives and mines come to mind for me. It's worth going through at least once, and it introduces you to two important NPC's.

I didn't know about Kentie's Launcher at first, and had issues with the game being way too dark. Installing it and using DX9/DX10 helped a lot, but you might need to tinker with your own settings. I don't know. It's handy, though.

>>714353909
Is hammer really required for anything if you use glitches, other than volvagia? I don't play with MQ dungeons but hammer rocks can just be superslided past or hovered over (HESSing through the goron city room is beyond me, but hovering over rocks in goron city and gerudo valley, superslide into crater fairy fountain, and hookshot the DMT skulltula are fairly easy). There's fairly easy clips past the hammer statues in fire temple and I think there's maybe 1 chest that requires a rusted switch without using a weird shot (never pulled one off).
Still ZL being behind ZL is annoying, and even though I like randomized cows it also turns Epona's song into a second ZL. Mirror shield on twinrova or hammer on volvagia I say is just a gg the game won the lottery but the songs requiring themselves are silly.

The most fun of a entrance rando seed isn't really finishing it (though it is satisfying), it's the early game progression and wacky situations. My favorite moment ever was being locked in like 40% of the map with no exits at the start and the only way to break out was finding dampe's grave in a random grotto, doing dampe race as child, and engineering an insane bombchu hover setup running two of them around the room to get up the too-tall-to-grab ledge behind the song of time blocks (which thanks to how they work weren't there) up into windmill exit to the rest of the map because I only had bombchus and couldn't do an easy ground jump up the ledge

>>714353909
>>714357380
Also I think I'm going to turn off dungeon entrance rando because I'm fucking tired of spending 20 minutes trying to do the Jabu as Adult clip and the lesser but still annoying botw as adult and hovering to forest temple/ice cavern as child. Also I don't think I've ever managed Deku tree as adult, but IIRC getting kokiri sword opens it so there's at least a "get lucky" way in

I don't like using the phrase "goat" because I don't think we should lock ourselves into just the first thing you see as the only best ever and assume it is unsurpassable. Otherwise it would be some older before that one that some kid proclaimed to be the best a decade or so before. But I will say for what it is, as the game itself, with the tech at the time, it's world, story, gameplay, etc. it is a nearly perfect game. And I think a new game having more capability of creating better graphics and implementing more features or tools doesn't diminish the accomplishments of the previous game, they ought to be judged by their own merits. So in that case I could say yes it is one of the best games of all times and could be the best, but that isn't to say a newer game hasn't made great accomplishments that are on par or better in specific areas.

>>714340714
Never seen a better fpbp for these shitty OoT threads.

It takes itself seriously and it's beautiful. A serious, dark, sad story, with realistic graphics not childish cartoon slop. OOT is a piece of art. it's great in every way that makes it the goat.

The 3d remake is absolute trash however, which shows that OOT was a fluke and Nintendo is actually shit.

>>714350487
Post your essay faggot

>>714349839
Post your essay faggot

>>714340714
It’s probably one of the most replayed games in history doebeit

>>714359083
>>714359148
Post your essay faggot

>>714340642 (OP)
Its a landmark game but everything it did was improved by later Zeldas and even other games in general. The combat, exploration, and dungeons feel rather basic today and it doesn't have much replay value. It could also be argued than games before it like Mega Man Legends are better.

>>714340714
Replayed it last year fully together with my new girlfriend that never played it. It holds up better than expected and she loved it.

I replayed majoras mask, windwaker and twilight Princess as well with her. She liked ocarina of time the best and I agree it's the best Zelda game.

And as someone that played it at release it's absolutely the best game ever made and the most influential game ever made as well. It still instructs all modern games in how to manage camera during combat, how to do graphics rendering, cinematic soundtrack and storytelling.

Dark souls is just a bad OoT clone for example.

>>714359532
>Dark souls is just a bad OoT clone
I can't how insanely retarded OoTfags have to be to think OoT has any impact on Souls. Like, genuinely brain damaged levels of stupid.

>>714340714
Despite liking MM more I have replayed OoT more.

>>714360049
>despite liking the non-linear game more, I play the linear game more
Logical.

>>714359491
megaman beggers have gotten more sophisticated with their advertising

For whatever reason, to this day it still evokes long lost feelings of childlike whimsy the second i hear that opening screen

And thanks to all the romhacks and mods and randomizers you can still get a fresh experience even if you've been playing OOT and MM for 20 years

>>714360785
How is MM non-linear? You have to use exploits to sequence break it.

>>714361428
yea but it's way softer than oot, both can be sequence broken by oot still has strict arbitrary requirements for progression when you break the sequence whereas mm, due to the inventory reset-based design where they make sure every boss' damage logic is generalized, really doesn't
a child could sequence break and progress mm, but not oot is what i'm getting at here

>>714361428
The bulk of MM's playtime is the side stuff, which is non-linear.

>>714340642 (OP)
>consoleslop exclusive empty open world
>greatest game of all time
tendie cult is so fucking out of touch with reality and retarded

>>714343659
it was me
i am glad someone actually remembered
Darksiders 2 still rapes any Zelda game however

>>714349897
woke slop is bad yes newnigger

>>714344331
the parkour feels nice, despite being basic bitch. Which can't be said about zedla which couldn't nail a single action feeling good. While releasing next to Mario 64 - game where EVERYTHING felt good. When moving character is not fun in the game why bother?

>>714344579
>judge in context
Then pong or whatever ancient bs or tetris are better than OOT. And they are actually fun to play still TODAY unlike OOT.

>>714362261
It's a empty hub world, not open world.

>>714340642 (OP)
Yes.
Bye.

>>714359990
>I can't how insanely retarded OoTfags have to be to think OoT has any impact on Souls. Like, genuinely brain damaged levels of stupid.
You should tell Miyazaki that, anon

>In an interview with Glixel, Miyazaki stated, “If there are similarities, they probably stem from the fact that The Legend of Zelda became a sort of textbook for 3D action games.” It’s funny how certain games become shining examples of their genre and never seem to be topped in terms of innovation.

>As for the comparison, Miyazaki added, “When I was a student, The Legend of Zelda was truly monumental. So to be perfectly honest, I feel deeply unworthy of the comparison.”

>>714363154
>You should tell
that N64tendies are very stupid, yes.

>>714363154
lmao soulsbabies BTFO yet again

>tendiebabs calling anyone else babies
now i've seen everything

You were raped as a child Eric

>>714353116
Oh fuck you're right. Why did the 2000s feel like it went for fucking ever? The last fifteen years have gone in the blink of an eye. We're officially over halfway through the '20s.

>>714363458
>people who are fans of a 1997 game calling fans of a 2011 game babies?? now i've seen everything
wow you really are a fucking retard

>>714364021
People who are fans of a bad game from 1997 and pretend it influenced a better game from 2011 are worse than just babies.

>>714364021
read >>714364169

>>714364169
>>714363154
Anon please, you cannot be this fucking retarded... Since you don't seem to know, Miyazaki is the creator of dark souls.

>>714364603
Name 10 instances/examples of real-time, tool based puzzle solving in any Souls game.

>>714340642 (OP)
yes
>>714348746
>Also Zelda 2 is criminally underrated among the Zelda fan base , I don't know what they hate it so much.
the nerd didn't like it therefore bad

>>714340642 (OP)
>is the |most journonigger game to exist| best game of all time?
lol not even close

>>714340642 (OP)
nostalgia slop from delusional boomers who were blinded by the 3d graphics

>>714364662
I'm not having this argument with someone who is a blatantly fucking stupid as you, anon. Go argue with miyazaki about why he thinks zelda is a masterpiece that inspired him

>>714340642 (OP)
I feel sorry for those who haven't played a better game in 30 fucking years. Do these niggas even play video games anymore, or just jerk off to their nostalgia?

>>714364961
personally i feel sorry for you people who were born after it released and never got to experience what it was like

>>714365127
>you're just a zoomer
wow, what an argument, I am completely destroyed
I'm 38 btw, not sure if that adds any weight to my comment, but it really shouldn't
You could cherry pick the 90's as well, say a lot people only played id shit like Doom and Quake non-stop, which is pretty true, but not representative of the industry as a whole

>>714364961
nintendo is a cult that is solely successful only because of nostalgia fags and kids who are raised and indoctrinated by the said fags.

>>714364867
>I'm not having this argument
Because you're stupid and don't know what you're talking about.

>>714365426
>This game didn't inspire this one!
>Yes, it did, here's the creator literally saying it inspired it
>y-you're stupid
unironically kill yourself you fucking retard

>>714365562
wow, you're mad, you're mad aren't you you little bitch. you're a talentless noob and a gay retard, and I'm done arguing with you

>>714365562
>This game didn't inspire this one!
Correct. Tendie cope isn't going to change reality.

>>714365327
if you're 38 then you SHOULD be able to understand that the quality of games is determined by the experience they provided within the context of their release. Nobody sane would say OoT is the best game of all time when directly compared to all other games that have come out in the following 30 years, it's all about what it brought to the table on release and how it influenced the entire industry.

It's the same for other forms of media and even sports where the "GOAT" is in reference to their time. I would argue that since videogames are a very recent form of media and so directly tied to technology this discrepancy is even larger than other media like movies.

>>714365663
>>714365764
cope and seethe faggots =) you got absolutely BTFO by your own fucking ignorance

>>714366027
>, it's all about what it brought to the table on release and how it influenced the entire industry.
In other words, nothing.

>>714366027
If you were remotely intelligent youd realize the entire folly of your argument that I deduced after trying not to engage with your narrative, but yet still finding a way to dispel it.

Your entire narrative is fundamentally post hoc. Now lets see if youre intelligent enough to realize how and why.

>>714366027
>Nobody sane would say OoT is the best game of all time when directly compared to all other games that have come out in the following 30 years
Really? Because that's what they usually claim, even in this thread people want to pretend that it's still the best 3rd person adventure game, and I'm like nigga at least play RDR2 or Witcher 3

>>714366132
shut the fuck up ignorant faggot, you think i don't know you're the same dude who is still seething about dark souls? lmao
>>714366245
you're trying too hard esl

>>714366372
>at least play RDR2 or Witcher 3
oof dude, you were so close to making a good post and then you named the most basic normie core garbage possible. those games are literal garbage and whenever anyone praises them it's because of "tHe StOrY"

>>714366412
>ignorant faggot
A tendie unironically wrote this.

>>714340642 (OP)
The more important question is what’s the 2nd greatest game of all time

>>714366532
>someone who doesn't play games made by the biggest and most influential developer in the world think he knows anything about games
oh anon....

>>714340852
Yeah Twilight Princess is OoT but better for me. Better gameplay, dungeons, world.. but I've replayed OoT because I enjoy the N64 graphics too.

>>714366593
>someone who doesn't play games
The reason people don't like tendies?

>>714366564
OoT for the 3DS ofc

Oblivion, Morrowind, KCD2 and Darksiders II completely rape any other adventure game ever made, especially journo tier nintenbab games.

>>714366628
TP suffers from horrible pacing that the story imposes for basically no benefit and a 100% linear railroaded experience. the main gimmick, the wolf, is absolute trash and basically the same as a single transformation mask from MM in terms of utility. The game is also pretty creatively bankrupt and just trying too hard to be OoT again.

It does have pretty great dungeons though and after you're done with the second dungeon the pacing picks up a little.

>>714366658
oof, here's the ignorance again... It's okay, I'll BTFO of you once again for fun

People who own nintendo consoles are statistically the most likely to own other consoles so they play the most games.

https://www.gamedaily.biz/report-nintendo-switch-console-cross-ownership-is-at-71-npd/

https://www.nintendolife.com/news/2020/12/switch_owners_most_likely_to_own_a_rival_console_2020_study_shows

I eagerly await your cope and seethe =)

>>714367006
>here's the ignorance
A tendie wrote this unironically.

>>714367006
>People who own nintendo consoles are statistically the most likely to own other consoles so they play the most games
LOL LMAO
on what planet? planet retard?

>>714340642 (OP)

am i the only one who dislike the game now because of speedrun trannies?

>>714363848
>The last fifteen years have gone in the blink of an eye
cuz there were like no games? what did we have; elden ring, relink, automata, totk, code vein?

>>714366564
botw

>>714367151
how do you even encounter these people?

>>714367732

ehm youtube agdq and cosmo

>>714367732
in the speedrunning videos and streams I watch

>>714367484
jesus christ... and tendies are capable of lying with straight face that they're apparently playing all platforms..

fromdrones are the least likely to play other games

>>714366372
>like nigga at least play RDR2 or Witcher 3

>>714367484
>code vein
lol nice try sneaking that in there

>>714340642 (OP)
It's no Donkey Kong Country 2

>>714367997
The OoToddler to Fromdrone pipeline is a very real phenomen.

>>714366671
>and Darksiders II
Why do retards keep saying this without addressing my criticism of it? I want a true adventure game (needs puzzle or problem solving else theres no meaningful difference from an asscreed game) to glorify too

>>714351242
Shill means paid employee. Get it right.

>>714366372
I realized this is bait when you named Witcher 3 and RDR2. At least put some effort into making it seem realistic. No one on /v/ would name those titles. At least mention souls titles or something.

Does Link really say shit in this game?

>>714367774
>>714367819
like nigga just close your eyes for real

>>714350487
>90% as homs
>doesn't know what death of the author is
>capitalisticlike
>vague bullshit criticism like
>The fundamental problem with Ocarina of Time is that it doesnt even do well, what it positions itself to do.
Holy mother of pseud

>>714367061
>>714367095
>I eagerly await your cope and seethe =)
mmmmmm delicious

>>714367095
nigger the link is right there

>>714371054
>nigger the link

>>714371054
>please check out my totally real (((study)))

>>714340858
I played MM shortly after and for me MM was just OoT+ because you could transform with the masks and the world felt way more authentic/alive beacuse of the daily schedules.

>>714367095
It tracks for me. My first console was a SNES but I also had/have a PS, GBC, GBASP, N64, PS2, Wii, Xbox360, DS, PS3, Switch and PS4.
Then I started working full time after university so naturally I became a PC god but I will still buy switch2 once a new zelda drops.

>>714364961
Yes, I play many games. Unfortunately, most games aren't anywhere near as good these days. I envy you and your simpleton way of life but I don't need your pity.

>>714371771
post your own proof then. or are you just a schizo that believes their own delusions?

>>714347068
I lost my save data on TP more times than I can remember:

First time - Dumbass kid - accidently wiped my entire wii just fucking around in settings (what's format memory mean? lololol)

Second - TP specifically - forgot to save most of the way through water temple, which was also where the format happened, that dungeon filtered me so fucking bad.

Third time - I got far in the wii version but never finished it. Genuinely can't remember where I stopped, might've been before zant. So what I did was I tried it on Dolphin (Gamecube version, sick of using the wiimote), got a few hours in, but if you reinstall dolphin and don't load the memory card properly it will say "no save data" or "save data corrupted" and what this means is that you didn't maybe select the file properly or some shit, whatever, the save was fine but hitting okay fucks it up. Shit is weird.


4th time? Think I beat it, or lost some more data, not sure. Snow peak is genuinely kino, game has a good ending too. Glad I finally beat it. I think the dungeon and overworld design don't swing far either way so there's this feeling of "good but plain" feeling to the whole thing outside of the edgy tone. The open world is not Wind Waker, the side content isn't Majora's Mask, the wolf form doesn't have the wow-factor as Ocarina's time travel, yet none of the dungeons are as good as Skyward Sword. Puzzles and pacing are all inferior to 90 percent of the 2D/Isometric games.

>>714374176
>The open world is not Wind Waker,
3D games prior to BotW didn't have open worlds, they were just bad hubs.

>>714374698
what's the difference?

>>714374698
Enlighten me. Wind Waker might only have 1 hub with quests (Windfall Island) but you did go out, have an adventure, collect treasure, do other quests on other items and there was some linking between one island to the other.

I guess we would say the 2D games are also open world by my definition? But where do you personally distinguish?

>>714374848
A open world has no barriers on its world map. You can walk from one point of the map to the end without encountering a hard roadblock basically.

>>714374893
>I guess we would say the 2D games are also open world by my definition? B
Only LoZ. II onwards started placing things in the environment that impedes your progress.

>>714374893
*do other quests on other islands and there was some linking between one island to the other.

I also mean stuff like collecting plants for the sails, treasure charts to actually getting the treasure, certain parts of the map hosting random events like that Octo boss that gives you the fair with more energy which is optional, or the mandatory cyclone guy that gets you to interact with the Mother & Child island in a different way.

>>714340642 (OP)
OP here. I meant to post this.

>>714375130
>A open world has no barriers on its world map. You can walk from one point of the map to the end without encountering a hard roadblock basically.
You can do that in WW as soon as you get the sail though. It's the equivalent to getting the paraglider in BotW

>>714375130
Breath of the wild has a hard roadblock if you don't have the glider, doesn't it?

The only parts of winderwaker that railroad you are until you get the 2nd pearl. After that you can sail anywhere (and only until you get pearl 1 could you even change wind direction).

>>714370598
nice bait attempt, i know, and those who know know that i could dessecrate OoT if i wanted to but it wouldnt matter because itd be ignored or dogpiled.

>>714340642 (OP)
Yes

>>714375331
>>714375438
You can't enter or do anything on the islands though. The director himself said they were originally going to make WW (and TP) open world but dropped the idea, and only tried it again with BotW.
>has a hard roadblock if you don't have the glider, doesn't it?
Only in that tutorial section.

>>714375608
>You can't enter or do anything on the islands though
kinda true but you can get there and do some things. If that's the logic then you can't enter divine beasts without triggering the necessary story in BotW either.

>>714375608
But you said one end to the other. I guess if you wanna talk item progression gating then yeah that makes more sense. I never played more than 2 hours of Breath of the Wild but I loved the open world aspect. Should I just play tears now instead?

>>714340714
I don't really replay any of my favorite games. Sometimes I'll do another playthrough right after for a different playstyle/route, but I rarely ever go back years later and just replay games randomly.

>>714375723
Maybe, but the director himself says that they were trying to maks WW (and TP) open world but didn't manage it in the end.
>I actually already had the concept of an open-air world in mind back when we were making The Wind Waker. There, the idea manifested as a vast ocean through which players traveled from island to island by boat. You could pick a destination far away and work to get there, so in that sense you could call it an "open air" environment. But in the end, we weren't able to include many islands due to hardware limitations. I knew I wanted to try to make a massive world in which players could go anywhere someday. Unfortunately, we didn't have enough people back then, and that type of project takes time, so we weren't able to get the ball rolling. This time, though, we were sure we could do it because we were blessed with a great team, and there were a lot of people putting thought into making it happen.
>I'm working on a new Legend of Zelda game now. One thing I've realized as I've been working on it is that a lot of the things I want to do with this new 'Zelda' game are things I thought of while making Twilight Princess. I can't talk specifics, but to me, Twilight Princess was a starting point, making it possible to do what I'm doing now.
>>714375847
>Should I just play tears now instead?
It's just BotW but bigger with different abilities, yeah.

>>714375608
That would disqualify basically every game from being open world then. BotW's "openness" is pretty unique even within open world games because almost nothing is locked off. So much so that the final boss is there form the start for you to go fight.

The real definition of an open world game isn't that strict. Any game that doesn't have "stages" or similar and instead takes place in a single cohesive map with content spread out through it that you can do or not do at various points during your playthrough is an open world game.

>>714376308
He's just saying WW wasn't as open as he would have hoped and not as open and filled with content as BotW. It doesn't disqualify the games from being open world just because they're not as open as he wanted.

>>714376375
>So much so that the final boss is there form the start for you to go fight.
I would say that just means it's non-linear. For example, you can end Metal Saga in basically an hour upon starting the game, but it's definitely not an open world game since there's no seamless world you traverse through.

>>714376632
also true. i'm using as an example because most open world games have barriers in place even if just for the story. botw is more open in that sense because the story doesn't get in the way of blocking content very often.

>>714340642 (OP)
When it was released? Absolutely. It put everything else to shame and showed a level of polish / design that most other games completely lacked.

>>714340852
TP fucking sucks.

t. MASSIVE zeldafag.

>>714377683
There were already better 3D action adventure games and 3D games in general before Nintendo launched OoT.

>>714377878
what 3d action adventure games were better in your opinion?

>>714340642 (OP)
No Doom is more important and funner. Zelda games are boring.

>>714379130
>tank controls
>draw distance of 10 meters
>clunky combat since they couldn't copy OoT's l-targeting yet
>linear mission based game
>better than OoT
bro, be serious...

>>714380102
>clunky combat
It shits all over OoT's combat with directional inputs that actually matter with vastly better enemy design, and lock on is shitty game design for melee combat. But okay, here's another one:

>>714340642 (OP)
Mario 64 is more influential. Without Mario 64 there's not OoT.

>>714381094
>more stage based tank control games with a draw distance of nothing being compared to one of the greatest adventure games of all time
bro just say your parents didn't love you enough to get you a nintendo 64

>>714381461
>more stage based tank control
You're very retarded and everything you keep saying is wrong.

>>714381761
>everything you say is wrong
>tenhcu and megaman legends are better than oot
the irony is palpable. If you cannot grasp how those games are not even in the same league in terms of scope then you are beyond saving.

Just compare the ruins in megaman legends to temples in OoT. The design of them, the enemies, the puzzles, the atmosphere, it's just absolute night and day. Not to mention the massive overworld compared to the little village, it's just an absurd comparison in all fronts.

It's not a bad game, but it's not even worthy of being compared to oot in any way shape or form.

>>714340642 (OP)
Nope.

>>714381094
>WAIT
>megaman
>what's that in front of you?
>is that a door?
>you can press A in front of a door to open it
>you should try it now!
>WAIT
>megaman!
>etc
great game

>>714382432
>tenhcu and megaman legends are better than oot
Yep. And MM doesn't have tank controls.
>Just compare the ruins in megaman legends to temples in OoT
Are you a retard who thinks the Water Temple is well-designed and makes uses of 3D space or something?
But okay, because I can keep on going.

>>714381094
the controls on this shit alone make it unplayable garbage

>>714382873
>I can keep posting slop endlessly
you do that, anon

I saw one guy say the fish to open jabu jabu's belly thing is bad game design. What does /v/ think?

>>714383080
>I can live in my N64tendie bubble endlessly
You will in fact keep doing that.

>>714340823
This I will concede

snoys seething since 1998

I might play not many vidyas but a plentiful of 3d adventure world, but no one come close to OOT/M64 not even other zelda games. So recomend me games, doesnt matter the era

>>714387120
Nu God of War.

>>714340642 (OP)
no

>>714340858
brown hands typed this post

>>714340642 (OP)
No its actually majoras mask

>>714387120
There isn't anything quite like it, but...
>3d adventure world
Dragon's Dogma. World is small with clearly separated areas kinda like OOT. You'll find dungeons and will battle a lot of enemies. Coolest part is having a party of npcs which makes the game feel like playing a LOTR adventure.
Elden Ring. Big world with big dungeons. Lots of adventures to be had, but its a lonely world.

>>714361714
>a child could sequence break and progress mm, but not oot is what i'm getting at here
Lol no. You're completely backward and have no clue what you're talking about. MM has four main dungeons and a one poss, and somewhat finicky sequence break that is accessible to a regular player without doing crazy shit. There is exactly ONE way to play through the main sequence of events without exploits.

OoT has vastly more means of natural progression orders that you can just do without any funny business whatsoever. Like, you can just straight up walk into the Ice Cavern and Fire Temple and complete them unconditionally, no questions asked, and MM has nothing like that. All of MM's 'non-linearity' is in its side quests.

>>714366372
>RDR2 or Witcher 3
Lol. These are legit 7/10 games compared to OoT's genuine 10/10. If your'e not trolling you have no appreciation for craftmanship and why OoT transcends the tech limitations that you seem to think greatly mar it.

>>714350669
Dark Souls is exceptional and one of the better examples of something coming and knocking something out of the park to the point that it felt like it was filling in some kind of hole such that a game like it "was always meant to exist". It's totally weird that up until Demon Souls, there wasn't anything really like it, and older 3D dungeon crawlers, including Kings Field, feel utterly primitive in comparison.

OoT is still this more complete, comprehensive experience that does a more impressive job of combining all of its elements together into an amazing whole.

>>714392857
The only way in which TW3 is not a superior game to OOT is just the mechanical gameplay. As a whole experience it's so far above it's laughable to even compare them.

>>714351107
>for example, the combat sucks
The 'combat' doesn't suck. The enemies suck.

This is a very important distinction, because tons of games (JRPGs especially) have genuinely bad combat that can't be saved by tweaking things to address its flaws, it's just fundamentally badly designed that it couldn't be made good without overhauling it more or lass completely.

OoT is NOT like that at all, and conversely has remarkably excellent combat mechanics, that were significantly more advanced than anything else at the time, and everything wrong with it could be fixed by tweaking how enemies behave, how much they damage they do and how they are placed and used within the game. It easily has more than enough depth and expressiveness to allow whatever you wanted to to work within its systems.

>>714394953
Running at 20fps, having a shitload of input lag, and having all attacks be lock-on auto-targeting vastly reduces what you can do with combat.

Plus we already know what a game like OoT can look like with good, no, BRILLIANT combat. It's called Souls.

>>714344545
Scaruffi actually fucking adores Ocarina of Time and rates it far more highly than any work by the Beatles.

These really are bot threads.
Hiro is a faggot.

>>714395391
>BRILLIANT combat. It's called Souls.

>>714340642 (OP)
It's probably the best full-length, 3D adventure game to start kids off with, if that counts for anything. Clearing OoT is a gateway to clearing just about any other single-player experience.

I don't know if I would say that makes it the greatest of all time, though. I enjoy more arcade-y games that I can play in short bursts now that I'm an adult.

>>714340642 (OP)

Thanks pops.

>>714344593

Cross dressing with women is fun.

>>714395391
Dark Souls has slower combat with more frames until anything connects, and it being an RPG actually limits what it can do with combat, as all enemy encounters have to be designed to let a naked dude with a club beat it, while Zelda is free to have fights make use of any set of equipment or abilities however it wants.

>>714397672
I wish it was an RPG. Instead it's become a dodge roll simulator.

>>714350487
>The problem with OoT is not that it does not work for me.
You could save people the effort of reading your stuff by just saying this straight up. People who love OoT will happily communicate with each other and try to elucidate how it is that the game somehow comes together in the way it does to create the brilliant experience we get from it. You, for whatever reason, don't experience this from the game properly, yet you still want to believe that your experiences are 'more objective' than ours, because otherwise you have to face the fact that, despite what you claim, people who really get the game comprehend it on a level that is wholly inaccessible to you and really experience it as a total structure that gives them a rich experience of elements that intertwine and come together on multiple levels, and gain great joy and satisfaction from this specifically.

You are obsessed with the idea of your own superiority no matter how clear it is that you constantly make shit up and make lame excuses for your own failings.

>>714394953
>remarkably excellent combat mechanics,
Name the utility directional attacks have.

>>714399394
SS showed what could be done with them, and the game already has enemies that are affected by the specific direction used. It seems like it was an attempt to replicate what AoL did with high/low attacks, you you could have enemies which block attacks differently and need to be hit from varied angles to break through their guard.

>>714400164
SS and AoL aren't not OoT. OoT doesn't have good combat mechanics. You literally get three items that all do the same exact thing.