Imagine being a Sonic fan back in the real dark ages of 2012-2022

American YouTubers making content about Sonic during the time was more entertaining than the games. BrainScratchComms was peak.

>>714397845 (OP)
The dark age stopped when sonic mania released

I feel like the series recovered enough not to give up on it after Unleashed. Wasn't perfect by a long shot but at least they weren't games that were misery to play.

Forces is one of the worst games in the series, though, for sure.

>>714397969
Based BSCfan, they're probably the last bastion of the "group of friends get together in a Skype call and just have a good time while talking over a video game" era

>>714397845 (OP)
This shit is so awful it looks like a gmod animation

>>714398123
Unleashed was one of the best turn around I've ever seen in a game franchise. The quality from 06 to it was astounding

>>714397845 (OP)
As bad as some of the Sonic games were around this time it was probably the only time the fanbase wasn't an autistic cesspit so I miss it.

>>714397845 (OP)
I like how at the end even though everyone I nthe back is standing it still has the dust clouds from them running

>>714397845 (OP)
I'm a gay furry
I was a Sonic fan

So, like, what's the status of Tails Tuesday? Do you get banned for making the thread?

PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS PINGAS

>>714397845 (OP)
the meta era will be remembered foundly compared to the western focused tranny shit we will get for now on (or atleast until ian leaves)

>>714398107
Given that forces came out after mania, no it didn't stop. It actually stopped with Mania Plus and Team sonic racing was the confirmation we needed that it ended

>>714399080
Americans ruin everything from Japan

>>714398298
Nigger that was when Chris Chan pepper sprayed a gamestop employee due to Sonic's arms being blue

>>714397845 (OP)
It was boring. That's all. Just boring.

>>714397845 (OP)
>06 is the worst Sonic ga-AACCCKKKK

>>714399267
Heroes/Shadow were always worse than 06. It was just overblown due to the insanely long loading times and the insane hype around it

>>714399356
No they're not.

Those games are just unfun to play. Functionally they're playable.

Sonic 360 is both broken AND unfun to play.

>muh 06 muh forces muh shadow
Step aside chumps.

>>714399220
Yes and we all made fun of him for it.
If that shit happened today you'd have half the people here and on Xitter going
>erm I mean he does have a point Sonic's arms being blue goes against the intended design by GODtani

>>714397969
>>714398138
I still tune in from time to time. Good stuff.

>>714399507
>2006 get ported to PC but with no loadings
>Non stop praises about being the best sonic in decades

>>714397845 (OP)
The dark ages started with Sonic Heroes until 2035

>>714399996
That's not "ported", though. Someone rebuilt that entire game in a totally different engine and is just trying to replicate its feel.

Porting it would be more like doing what that team did with Sonic Unleashed. I guess I wouldn't necessarily be against seeing THAT happen, just to see what lengths the community could do with a fully malleable Sonic 360.

>>714399996
NTA, but project 06 isn't a port, its a straight up remake

>>714399080
We're still in the meta era thanks to Ian "I must reference everything" Flynn

>>714399996
That's not a port, Project 06 fixes everything about the gameplay and level besides loading

>>714400396
What are you talking about?
Flynn is like the polar opposite of meta era shit, if anything he takes the series lore and integrity way too seriously for its own good.

>>714400396
To be fair that's kind of making up for Sega's complete disinterest in any sort of cohesion up to this decade.

I'd more call it "overcorrection" than a mistake.

>>714397969
>during the time
Nah, the Spax3 saga was fucking hilarious. Its a shame he didn't become a more popular lolcow.

>>714399080
I hadn't gotten around to Shadow Gen.
I'm not even sure what to say about the top image existing, the idea someone was bothered enough about the brief gag to rework the scene is so surreal.

It's like if they re-released Urusei Yatsura, but with all scenes and dialogue considered too mean removed. To what fucking end??

>>714400564
Meta is to reference the series in itself
That's Ian Flynn to a T

>>714400592
Ian has gone on record stating how he hates AmyxSonic and "wants to develop Amy into her own character"

>>714400469
I would say it's trying to make Sonic 360 work the way it was intended than actually making it better.

Like I still don't exactly like the way the movement feels, even if it's not as spastic as the original game's loose controls were. The game isn't trying to rewrite the way Sonic 360 plays as much as it is taking what is there and smoothing it out so it represents what was the game was supposed to play like, which still isn't exactly what I want out of a 3D Sonic game.

>>714400843
Then he sucks at that because Amy without her love-crazed gimmick hasn't been very well-defined.

Maybe we're just too used to the idea of Amy being infatuated with Sonic but so far they haven't found a proper niche for her outside of that.

>>714400751
No it isn't, at least that's not the reason the term became a thing when referring to eras of Sonic.
It's because they made constant meta jokes undermining the integrity of the series and its past.

>>714400843
Thats asinine, you can still develop her character and keep her being in love with Sonic
Boom, ironically enough, is a alright example of that

>>714400843

He should just write her out.

>>714401097

>>714400843
People would probably be more accepting of this if it were done as actual character development, not simply siphoning out that aspect of her character.

Having her realize that Sonic just isn't interested in her the way she is and growing up from it, deciding to put her energy into other things that bring her happiness if chasing after Sonic will ultimately be fruitless.

Sonic Frontiers with its heavy emphasis on character introspection and the cast evaluating their own relationships with Sonic would have been the perfect time to do this but by that point everyone already could tell trying to distance Amy from being Sonic's self-appointed girlfriend was already in effect.

>>714401143
Sonic Boom being unhinged as fuck is the best thing to have happened to Sonic.
Though the redesigns are still off

The last gasp of "I'm Sonic's girlfriend!" Amy was probably in Unleashed. By Generations they were scaling it back and then come Lost World it was mostly gone.

>>714401143
>totally legitimate, definitely non-creepy reasons
Lies

>>714401934
imagine the smell

>>714399080
We haven't left the meta era which has been going on for 15yrs so far
The only thing that changed is there was a swap from Pontaff's shitty self-aware humor to Ian's self-aware constant "fan service" where characters look to the screen and say the line so everyone is constantly reminded that everything is canon and we listen to the fans and Sonic remembers everything and makes tons of references to [past thing] and

>>714401518
Anon you are being willfully obtuse, the reason people disliked the meta era wasn't just because it was being self-referential.
Not to mention that by definition in-lore callbacks to previous stories are not inherently meta, meta would be a joke about how repetitive the premise of the series is
>Seriously, we beat this guy every time. It's like it's our job or something.
See? That's a meta joke.
Just going
>What about the Time Stones?
is just a simple acknowledgement of continuity, it's not meta in any way.

Who does he think Sonic should be with then? He can beg and plead as much as he wants but Shitty Acorn ain't coming back.

>>714397845 (OP)
i dont know how anyone in their right mind would take this seriously other than little kids who are big fans of sonic or manchildren who are big fans of sonic

>>714400843
Terrible decision tbqh
"Boy obsessed crazy stalker female" Is an archetype that you both don't see often in fiction, and also compliments Sonic's archetype.

>>714402152
You can spin your headcanon however you want I really don't care

>>714397845 (OP)
I don't have to imagine
It was tourture
Even though shit is much better now, the consequences of that era are still very apparent (Sonics model, IDW being based on forces, Deadly Six shilling)

>>714401927
SHRIMPnicbros...

>>714402106
>>714402394
COVER YOUR VIRGIN EYES ANON THE META IS COMING FOR YOUR FAVORITE GAMES

>>714402152
Ian literally has characters say song lyrics and lines straight from another game word for word. That's referencing.

>>714402176
He probably thinks Sonic is asexual or something
He doesn't understand the character or Sonic as evidenced by IDW

Plus there was a time that Sonic fans wished Amy's personality would change a little. Her clingy, "doesn't like to hear 'no'" personality made people empathize with Sonic when he kept pushing her away because who would want someone like that around?

Like back then her character was begging for a dose of hard reality so she'd learn to respect that Sonic didn't want to be that close.

I want this kind of Sonic back.

>>714400571
I read recently he got charged with assault on his mother. Again.

>>714400843
Written by Ian Flynn

>>714402539
I want this kind of Eggman back.

>>714402507
He just wants Sonic to be like in Archie again.

>>714402539
People confused this type of Sonic with "Shonen Kino"
Sonic always took tropes from Shonen but never outright acted like DBZ or anything. Yeah there was Super Sonic but he took inspiration. He did his own thing
Thats why I don't like how in Frontiers they turned Super Sonic into this "badass guy who fights like Goku and poses like Vegeta"

>>714402361
Anon what the fuck are you talking about there are probably 20 anime a year with a character like that.
Also the Fairly Odd Parents.

>>714402612

>bestie

Hahaha

>Frontiers ends with Tails for the millionth time, "growing into his own person" again
Gee can't wait for the next game where he's back to being Sonic's butt buddy and nothing else

How's it feel to have grown up in the 90s/2000s and watch first hand Sonic as a franchise crashing down and losing all its soul and charm to become the corporate slop it is today?

>>714401143
Agreed even though I hate boom.
Boom Amy still loves Sonic, but her goal is not Sonic. Real Amy's main goal being Sonic himself is kino because she will never stop chasing the thing that never stops moving. Perpetual Motion

>>714400564
>>714401097
He's right, what the series right now fits the term "meta" more than the previous era. If anything, Sonic fans are retarded for using the term wrong and the 2010's should more accurately be referred to as the "Nostalgia Era".

>>714400843
He whines that Amy needs to move on from Sonic, but also wrote an alternate timeline in Archie where Sally waited for Sonic for 25 years while he was thought to be dead.

Amy's original personality was meant to reinforce the "EEEWW, GIRLS!" attitude of elementary school boys, which in turn became pretty annoying to endure for the Sonic fans who were older teens in the early 2000s (which was the height of Amy's most unpersonable traits).

Amy's most notorious characterization comes across as immature and someone who doesn't understand how (or perhaps refuses) to read social cues and the effect her behavior has on others.

>>714402152
>is just a simple acknowledgement of continuity, it's not meta in any way.
The original Generations line makes no mention of the time stones at all, Sonic's original line was "How did this happen?"
Ian editing the script to include the reference does not improve the writing quality whatsoever because it's obvious the intention is done for self-referential fan service
The time stones have no meaning or importance to the story of generations, nor do they ever get brought up again, the addition of the line does not answer some magical unknown question of the time eater, nor does it affect the state of the series continuity because it's powers were already disconnected from anything else that affects time in sonic media
The lazy time stones edit is the definition of meta, on the same level as pontaff shit. It's used in the same way as when Ian does his song lyric references

>>714403336
He's a diehard SonSal simp.
...
Or should I say was.

>>714403336
Anon you do realize the difference there is that Sonic actually likes Sally right?

>>714403390
Amy is fucking 12. Of course she'd be an annoying girl.

>>714402539
Kino gif

>>714403507
Sonic secretly likes Amy in the games. Yuji Naka stated it. Does anyone have that image?

>>714403621

I doubt Sega puts too much faith in the words of a criminal.

>>714403390
>someone who doesn't understand how (or perhaps refuses) to read social cues and the effect her behavior has on others
The lion does not consern herself with social queues. The lion just rapes.

>>714402867
Truly Tails is the Gohan of the series. Always in a purgatory of relearning the same lessons endlessly.

>>714403705
>criminal
No jail-time. Get fucked, Boco.

>>714403621
Ok but the point is she doesn't know that and it's dumb for anyone to keep making advances on someone who has outwardly only ever shown they're not interested.

>>714402554
Please give me the source lmao. Isn't she wheelchair bound?

>>714403843
Sonic has also taken Amy out on dates since it's an option in Unleashed and it was implied in Black Knight.

>>714403705
Insider trading is the most victimless crime ever. Who gives a fuck?

>>714402106
>>714401097
>No it isn't, at least that's not the reason the term became a thing when referring to eras of Sonic.
>It's because they made constant meta jokes undermining the integrity of the series and its past.

Now it's more meta because the games care more about what happened in previous games than what's actually happening in the current game.

>>714397845 (OP)
At least Rouge still had tits

Why does he do this

>>714404153
Laziness.

>>714399118
Nah
Its stop when the Movie drop
Ironically, as people expect it to be final nail

>>714404153
>There were people who actually clapped at this.

>>714403556
The point is there's absolutely a tightrope in play with her character, and one that hasn't really met a satisfying head on either side at this point.

On one hand you have the love-crazed Sonic fangirl who has no idea what personal space or "he's just not into you like that" is and the other a kind of granola girl who's just there without actually adding anything to the friends group without building any genuine rapport with anyone like the male trio has with one another. She does better with her own character circle but people want to see her tied to Sonic so they haven't found a way to deliver on that to give her a compelling personality.

>>714398107
mania flopped it's a meme game

>>714403621
No but I have this one. He always likes Amy, he’s just doesn’t want to settle down because he likes freedom more.

>>714404325
I can't believe people are calling this scene "one of the best cutscenes in Sonic"
https://youtu.be/b5i9J_xaSeo
>Garbage dialogue
>Member Berries of Sonic and Shadow running and bumping into each other
>More lame dialogue
>Ends

>>714404367
It didn't flop but the fact that Superstars outsold it 2:1 is fucking hilarious
All the people going "SUPERSTARS IS GONNA FLOP BECAUSE IT ISN'T PIXEL BASED!" like they know how game development works kek

>>714397845 (OP)
>the real dark ages of 2012-2022
That period had better games than the real dark age.

>>714403621
Here's Evan Stanley, one of the main writers on IDW, confirming it

>>714404608
>Sonic 4 Episode 2
>Sonic Lost World
>Sonic Boom
>Sonic Boom 2 3DS
>Sonic Forces
>Team Sonic Racing
>Sonic Colors Ultimate
You uh...sure about that bud?

>>714404480
People just overpraise Shadow Gens' cutscenes because they're much better animated than the last few games where two characters just stand around talking to each other. Which is worthy of praise don't get me wrong but at the end of the day, the dialogue is still pretty ass and the story has no real gravitas to it. There's nothing in the recent games that even compares to the kinetic energy of the SA2 cutscenes or offers anything close to its hype and memorable moments.

>>714404465
>Ian writing
DISMISSED

>>714404480
Hard not to be one of the best cutscenes in Sonic when the bar is usually the characters expositing the plot at each other with no hint of personality or dynamism between them.
And saying "long time no see" over and over.

>>714404750
Ian Flynn and Nu-Sonic Team can never replicate the energy of Adventure and all attempts come off as awkward and half-asses.

>>714404838

Long time no see?

>>714404153
Why doesn't sonic just rape eggman?

>>714404547
and superstars was twice/thrice the price...brvtal

>>714404806
Maekawa also had Sonic choose between Amy or Elise as his love interest in 06. Blaze isn’t a choice despite her model being in the game, guess Sonic doesn’t like her.

>>714405212
Eggman probably has anti-hedgehog serum inserted inside his asshole at all times since Sonic can use super speed to rape him
It's the perfect counter

>>714402728
>Sonic always took tropes from Shonen but never outright acted like DBZ or anything.
bro shadows character design sheet says Vegeta on it

>>714405212
Classics really never die

>>714405547
Notice how in the very next line I say "they take inspiration from it"
It was the very next line in the post anon....

>>714405547
B-B-But Iizuka-sama said that's not true and Shadow was actually inspired by Spawn!

I like seeing Sonic and Blaze interact more.

>>714405615
They take a lot of inspiration from it, especially, but not only, in SA2

>>714403390
seems kinda silly
I remember when I was an older teen in the well not early 00s but late 00s we thought sonic was gay for not fucking Amy and running away

>>714405695

Truth.

>>714404731
Meanwhile in 2002 to 2012 you have
>heroes
>shadow
>chronicles
>unleashed PS2/wii
>sonic 4 episode 1 (which was much worse than E2)
>secret rings
>1 GBA
>advance 2
>black knight
And of course Sonic the Hedgehog 2006.

>>714404325
If I was 14 my mind would have been blown by this

>>714405212
can't rape the willing

>>714404941
>Ian Flynn and Nu-Sonic Team can never replicate the energy of Adventure and all attempts come off as awkward and half-asses.

Not while Flynn is writing and the games are written like a Sonic Wiki article. Sonic Adventure adapted elements from previous games, but didn't attempt to treat the events of the past games like they're some kind of vital plot-point for Adventure itself.

>>714405968
Most of these are premium kino.

>>714406361
L...O...L

>>714399169
Don't be an idiot Japan was the first reason of the fall of Sega and sonic with their strict deadlines and stupid decisions wich caused everything to fall apart

>>714403965
>>714403621
>>714403336
Why are Sonamytards this fucking guillable and blind?

>>714398107
No, Mania was forced meme slop.

>>714399992
>Johnny: The reasonable fellow
>Ryan: The nerd
>Lewis: The guy they keep around
>Ted: The new guy
All 4 are subject to intense fits of rage and autism depending on the game.

>>714405968
I dunno how young you are but 2002-2012 is NOT the dark ages
It was 2004-2007 zoomer

>>714405695
I hate it.
But it makes canon sense and look so cute together. Fuck im horny again

>>714405968
I liked Chronicles, though.

>>714401143
Boom is the root of the shitty Amy we've been getting tho

>>714405968
You have a list that is half good games, half bad games, not to mention many more good games not included in your list?
Compared to 2012-2022 where the only good game was Mania. Just ONE. It's incomparable for the sole fact that the decade before they could produce way more games than the decade after where it took them 5 years to release forces. Didn't like advance 1? Okay you get advance 2 next year. Didn't like advance 2? Third times the charm the year after. Didn't like Advance 3? Surely Sonic battle will get you. Hate handheld games period? There's plenty console games releasing at the same time. Wanted high budget sonic but was disappointed by 06? There you have Unleashed. Hate the werehog THAT much? Colors in like two years after that.

Even if you're dumb enough to think that the era was bad or had more than enough quantity to make it come out on top compared to 2012-2022, which was a sight with neither quality nor quantity

>>714407043
They don't seem like a couple. They seem more like rivals, and when they're not, more like siblings. I didn't know how people can ship them.

>>714397845 (OP)
Id kill to go back before melodrama Ian Flynn was the lead writer. I want the stupid, shonen writing back so bad, not some "deep" story about his friends finding themselves and his would be gf growing up and dedicating herself to tarot cards.

>>714407347

No, Silver and Blaze are the siblings.

>>714397845 (OP)
All you really need is 1 chadvok to do the job.

>>714407347
I mean...>>714405695 from a game made by Sega. They put it out there, what else am I supposed to take away from it?

>>714406083
HATE that i can tell who this is immediately by the faggy dancing from 2011

>>714400843
>develop
funny how he says that when he just changed her one personality trait from loving sonic to loving tarot cards like a wine aunt
replacing a character relation with a retarded gimmick, what a genius idea

>>714403390
Except that isn't the case, she was never annoying. It's a common anime trope no one would have an issue with in any other series but Sonic does it and they want Amy castrated into a boring soccer mom

>>714407672

Bull and shit, she's annoying as fuck.

>>714407721
You're just too autistic to get the joke, bro

>>714402361
Nah, that isn't that uncommon.

Girl who thinks it's her destiny to be with the dreamy guy and the guy having better things to do than trifle with such affairs because he's too cool/free for that.

>>714402361
Lol you weren't around in the 90s early 00s before it got problematic or whatever

>>714407672
If Sonic is meant to be the character the player is meant to connect with and the supporting cast is there to show how he affects those around him then, yeah, Amy never getting the picture no matter how clear as day he makes it will get grating.

>>714402730
>>714407848
those two series are older than SA2

>>714407367
>Id kill to go back before melodrama Ian Flynn was the lead writer. I want the stupid, shonen writing back so bad, not some "deep" story about his friends finding themselves and his would be gf growing up and dedicating herself to tarot cards.

It's impossible. Every single westerner who was originally from the Sonic fan community that's been given a prominent position on Sonic has latched on like a barnacle.

Ian will be fucking up the writing for decades and you'll be subject to the characters endlessly whittering on about irrelevant locations and objects that don't even appear in the game you're playing.

>>714408135
Archie had already used the trope for Amy before the characters gained more fleshed out personalities from the Adventure era.

>>714399996
that wasnt a port. there was a port but it got canceled since theres 2 sonic 06 remaster projects and they felt 06 filled their goals with its mods and adjustments

Darkage teens ITT yet again venting out their pathetic selves and "trauma" they got from being bullied on old Sonic forums lol.

>>714408568
This thread seems like a pretty level-headed conversation, what are you even targeting?

when did they start poising the water with copium? I'd argue it started with frontiers because now they label 30 minutes of boostshit as one of the best sonic games of all time

>>714409386
Ignore him

>>714401143

pathetic that humour on the level of a reddit comment is considered charming now. the fact that amy has a doll of sonic at all is supposed to be the funny part.

>>714407176
>Boom is the root of the shitty Amy we've been getting tho

Nah, Ian Flynn's ascended fanboy headcanon is the root

>>714407176
>Boom is the root of the shitty Amy we've been getting tho
Explain your retarded logic.

>>714410884
Everyone spams the Sonic doll reaction image and completely ignores that for 99% of the show she’s a nagging strong woman character that shows no interest in Sonic.

>>714410237
Shut up kid you were in diapers when boom came out

>>714411091
Thats just all Sonic boom fans when talking about anything from that show.

>>714411373
>huge Sonic Boom fan excited to watch it for the first time

>>714403390
>>714405547
And Amy is like Chi Chi.

Bump

>>714413734
well coming from a great fangame, sonic forces sucked with its story and unpolished gameplay.

>>714414034
Bumper

>>714397845 (OP)
Sonic was never good

>>714415585
But you gave Shadow Gens a 9/10 IGN

>>714403390
damn manchildren just let the franchise go

>>714415731
that game is a 7/10 at best

>>714402106
>NOOOO CONTINUITY IS BAD
Silly take

>>714415849
>Sonic
>continuity

>>714415849
>>714402490
>a character naturally referring to internal elements in a way that makes sense is the same as a character interrupting a natural conversation to shove blunt references that would make no sense to be brought up at that point
Why is Sonic surprised time travel exists without the time stones when he's seen it happen without the time stones multiple times, including in Sonic CD itself where he was doing it without them? This is like in Frontiers where Tails goes "whoa a laser like Dark Gaia could fire?" or something as if lasers weren't commonplace in this setting

>>714397845 (OP)
I don't have to imagine it.

>>714415849
sonic has no continuity, almost every game is a self contained story, trying to force continuity in that makes everything a convoluted mess wich is exactly whats sega is doing.

>>714416306
because that's not sonic, it's flynnic

>>714415849
Sonic never had continuity

>>714416481
>>714416597
>>714416129
retarded position of people who think the way to stop drowning is to die of thirst. I know this is 4chan, but stop thinking in extremes for a second. Heavy-handed memberberries writing is shit AND acting like there's no continuity in a series that clearly has continuity is also stupid

>>714416682
>a series that clearly has continuity
lol

>>714404367
>>714406861
What's with the recent hate on Sonic Mania when everyone was praising it when it came out? It's a solid tribute to the original trilogy.

>>714416682
>Le both sides
And you call me the retard, go ask any sega who worked on the old Sonic titles employee if Sonic 1-3 had continuity, you'll get a [laughs] remark and a flat out "We just did what we wanted" that's the "extent" of Sonic continuity

>>714416754
>"a series not sweating details for the sake of individual stories is the same as a series having no connective elements and continuity at all"
Again, I know this is 4chan, but stop thinking in extremes for a second.

>>714416823
it's just gen alpha kiddies who grew up with the Sonic movies and Sonic Frontiers

>>714416863
>go ask any sega who worked on the old Sonic titles employee if Sonic 1-3 had continuity
The game series where Sonic 3 explicitly opens with a cutscene acknowledging the end of Sonic 2 and explaining how it flows into this game, and the manual had an explicit mention of how things connect? Both of which then got followed up in a Dreamcast game done by the same developers where NPCs directly mention the events of past games? The game where one of the main devs said they created a new super form for Sonic entirely because the number of magical macguffins increased from 6 to 7 meaning they felt there should be something narratively that rewarded the character for having a fuller set? /That/ lack of continuity?
Yes, I'll both sides, because in this instance, both sides are stupid. No, you don't drop a scene to have characters stare at the camera and go "REMEMBER GREEN HILL ZONE?". But also no, you don't grab a series where multiple games directly refer to events of previous games as far back as 1992 and go "um, actually, it has no continuity".

>>714406963
If his dark ages goes back further than yours then that would make you the zoomer you know.

TOTAL IAN FLYNN DEATH

>>714416863
What the fuck do you mean? There's a reason why 2 to SnK is called the death egg trilogy because it's all just one story.

>>714408154
Guess its back to following fan content. Honestly, sonic is probably the only series where fans have genuinely kept it afloat and made better content than the actual developers for years. You of course get a lot of trash, but the passion projects always shine through. Just sucks you now have to share the space with IDW fans and Ian circle jerkers. Also sucks because he really was a solid writer at one point, but you can only hang around the comic pros and convention goers for so long before it starts to rub off on your writing, views, and beliefs.

>no further reply after being so stupid as to say the devs making the Genesis games didn't have continuity between the games
At least be dignified enough to go "I'm sorry, anon, I was an idiot".

>>714417905
Anon, that's just how /v/ works

>Anon makes a dumb claim
>Gets btfo'd
>Doesn't reply out of shame since he would have to admit he was in the wrong

>>714405968
you did NOT just talk shit on advanced 2

>>714418674

>>714418849
Hey Advance 2 throws a pit every now and then, otherwise accurate

>>714405968
Heroes was fine for singular playthroughs. Unwiished was fine if downgraded. Black Knight is technically a fine game, so long as your Wiimote doesn't give you calibration fits, people just utterly obsess about ANYTHING waggle and sum it up with Secret Rings as a mistake.

>>714418849
Reminder that Sonic Heroes is the only 3D game to occasionally look like the top in some levels and that's why it's based.

unwiished has better levels but the inability to mod it makes it unplayable compared to hd

>>714397845 (OP)
i can't.
as soon as i saw Heroes wasn't going to be Adventure 3, i was out, and i never truly got back in.
i've been watching the Sonic dumpster fire from a distance this whole time.

>>714419276
I remember thinking exactly like this...when I was 10.

>>714419502
no, the 10yos were the ones still lapping up slop after 2003.
the adults moved on.

>>714418674
>hyper linear pathing
>every boss is an autorunner
>special rings
>special rings and the fact that emeralds aren't shared across characters

>>714419690
yet you're here in 4chan in a sonic thread, curious

>>714415824
Probably

>>714404547
How the fuck, that game looks and plays like ass.

>>714417385
I think you might have dyslexia

>>714398107
Mania was a fan game made official, Sega themselves didn't actually make it.

>>714420181
discussion is free and easy.

>>714420367
>How the fuck
Sonic is more popular now thanks to the movies

>>714420367
>Plays like Ass
I hate Superstars but it plays perfectly fine, just like Mania
The real problem is
>Garbage level design
>Garbage bosses
>Garbage special stages
>Trash indie budget graphics
>All for the low low price of $60

>>714420503
>Garbage level design

>>714420503
Shame on you, forgetting that the soundtrack is literally half-finished before they budgeted it out to Jun's Sonic 4 farts.

>>714420389
Anon, 2002 comes before 2004.

>>714399080
This is the main reason I still haven't bought Shadow Gens. Not endorsing this kind of hate on Amy.

>>714420626
Don't make me post this shit again
https://youtu.be/oUGMYFM3rOc

>>714420642
Honestly the OST is so boring I forget that it was even bad. They really hired Tee Lopes, told him to make like 4 good tracks, and then told Jun Senoue to shit all over the rest of it

>>714420414
Tbh the fan games were always better than what sega made https://youtu.be/mzMlSdEFldU?si=W-WKjrWn7f4wi6wA&t=786

>>714421434
that stage is fire. It's like an underwater stage but without the shitty physics

>>714421515
>Shitty rotating balls that have counterintuitive controls
>If you run at full speed, some of the crushers will kill you offscreen for trying to dare enjoy the level
>Instadeath if you don't press the button every 20 seconds
It's terrible

>>714397969
>it's a Lewis only frame of reference is Resident Evil or Devil May Cry episode

>>714421649
>Shitty rotating balls that have counterintuitive controls
never had a problem with them but Mania did them better.
>If you run at full speed, some of the crushers will kill you offscreen for trying to dare enjoy the level
never happened to me
>Instadeath if you don't press the button every 20 seconds
How is that different from drowning?

>>714421779
>Doesn't happen to me
If that's your argument I think we're done here

>>714416823
/v/ being /v/. People like it, so they gotta hate it.

>>714397845 (OP)
Everything between Adventure 2 and Mania was dogshit except maybe Colors
Everything after Mania was also bad
We're still in the fucking dark ages

>>714421669
>Those few years where Ryan wouldn't even speak on some episodes and you got worried about him but now he's talking a lot again

>>714421854
show me a webm of that happening then

>>714422027
>You WILL scour hundreds of videos to find it or download the shitty game again to record yourself doing it for MY reference
No.

>>714422157
If it's a rare occurrence then it's only a minor problem.

>>714421436
Yeah but it means they didn't get out of the dark ages with mania, because they weren't capable of making it.

>>714421986
based post

>>714422236
Don't care

>>714423005
that's fair

Crossworlds is looking hype bros
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OR9FGj1Bj70

>>714407616
Omitted
>Young, which indicates that Amy is a very early teenager to explain away immaturity while highlighting her moments of surprising sensibility and determination
>Hedgehog, which makes clear she isn't a cat or fox or some other pointy eared critter
>Her obsession with Sonic, the quirk explaining how she gets herself into situations to no benefit to herself and against better judgment

Added
>Her hammer which is self-explanatory to anyone who plays her in most games she appears in.
>Some shit about fortune cards that never comes into play in most of the games she appears in

I want a Knuckles solo game.

lol my dude it’s been the dark age ever since after Sonic 3+knucks this franchise is so shitty and retarded it’s like they’re being as dumb as possible on purpose for the past 30 years

>>714427028
It's endearing

>>714426835
Describe it without saying its just a rip off of that new donkey kong game.

>>714427089
Cope on bro

>>714427152
I don't have much ideas. Also, DK didn't invent smashing through stuff.

I hope the Doom powers return. They have Gerald explicitly state he programmed them into Shadow and they went un-activated until Doom turned them on so I'm taking that as an out to bring them back if people like them as part of Shadow's natural power growth.

what if they make sonic and the black knight 2, but its a soulslike

>>714404480
I'll tolerate it there if only because Sega explictly said Shadow Generations was meant to be a catch up game for new people so they needed to summarize their dynamic. I actually love the bit about how Shadow likes fighting Sonic so he'd rather let Sonic win then cheat with Doom Powers.

>>714427152
SEGA loves copying Nintendo, maybe that is unironically what they should do.
or at least make Adventure 3 and give Knuckles that sort of gameplay loop.

>>714427571
>that is unironically what they should do
make a worse version of an already existing game?

I haven't played a Sonic game since Shadow the Hedgehog but every time I see gameplay of any one after that it just has 50 million cutscenes then you get to hold forward or right for 3 seconds with zero meaningful obstacles then jump into another 15 second cutscene.

>>714427571
I've thought about making a teasure hunter game, but personally don't want to just ape the dk game. Help me out here.

>>714427909
Play Shadow Generations. Both direct sequel to last one you played and peak 3D level design with only a handful of short cut-scenes.

>>714397845 (OP)
I recall Heroes being a bad game

>>714427909
In Sonic Mania you are always in control of Sonic unlike in those games.

>>714428098
No, he'll ree at the 5 second long level transitions and call it a movie.

>>714427152
Treasure hunting

>>714428135
I mean you can even skip those

>>714428220
THEY MIGHT PLAY FOR HALF A SECOND PRIOR BEFORE I CAN PRESS SKIP.

>>714428152
>Treasure hunting
That's what the new DK game is about

>>714427571
>SEGA loves copying Nintendo, maybe that is unironically what they should do.
Free roam Knuckles game where the Master Emerald gets stolen by new group of villains and he has to hunt them down. But along the way, he meets a mobian little girl with singing powers that makes him stronger. Game ends with him adopting her and they stay on Angel Island guarding the Master Emerald together.

>>714428423
diddy ahh plot

>>714428423
don't forget knuckles starts slobbering at the sight of emeralds

>>714428135
I don't mind short set pieces or level transitions, every Sonic game has those. I'm talking about the absurdly overused cutscenes of Sonic doing something cool for way too long, then it finally lets you "control" the game by putting you on a rail or corridor where technically you can do stuff but there's only maybe an enemy or 2 you just boost through then you're in another cutscene.

>>714428505
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2513280/SONIC_X_SHADOW_GENERATIONS/
Peak 3D hedgehog without that issue. (More so Shadow Generations to be fair, Sonic Generations is 13 years older and feels a bit jank compared to Shadow).

>>714427898
like they've done multiple times already?

>>714428312
So it copied SA1 and 2 huh

>>714428505
If you never played them how do you know every game "has them"

Shadow Generations is overrated.
The levels are better than the ones from Forces but they are also worse than Unleashed and Sonic Generations stages.
The movement physics are also mediocre at best and nowhere near as exhilarating as the movement physics from Unleashed and Sonic Generations.

>>714428941
what do you mean you don't like another boost game? they are so diverse after the 5th one

Living though this was something Sonic Generations one year assume nothing but good things to come
4 episode 2 was whatever but who Cares
then the nintendo exlcusive deal happens which includes Mario and sonic for some reason despite that being a exclusive by default,
I have no idea what they were thinking with Lost world and it fucked up the gameplay engine for forces.
Boom loses Sega so much money it kills the series for the rest of the decade
drought until 2017 and we get fucking Forces

>>714429025
wasn't Forces supposed to be a cheap cashgrab?

>>714429158
4 years dev time is a "cheap cashgrab?"

>>714428941
Agreed. Just compare the SA2 stages to their original versions. Despite having boost slop and bat wings they feel way more linear somehow.

>>714429408
I think they spend most of that time developing Hedgehog Engine 2 so it would support physically based rendering and dynamic lighting.

>>714427152
It's a rip off of Streets of Rage 4

>>714429736
And it still looks worse than unleashed

>>714427152
Sonic Unleashed, but Knuckles instead of Sonic and Werehog, and the Knuckles Chaotix Ring or Shockwaves instead of stretch arms.

Also jarring hip hop instead of Jazz, plus treasure hunting because I love that shit.

>>714429935
I think it looks alright.

>>714399992
I haven't watched their shit in years outside of the occasional review from Johnny. Is BSC still worth watching?

>>714397845 (OP)
Sonic has been in a dark age for thirty years

>>714430670
NTA but yeah they're alright. Pretty much still the same for better or worse.

>>714427329
If Doom Shadow was still around Forces never would've happened, he'd beat Infinite senseless, ruby or otherwise.

>>714431035
Can't believe he was a Sonic ambassador at one point when he hated Sonic.

>>714430670
Never was worth watching in the first place.

>>714397845 (OP)
Sonic Forces was a fun game. I 100% completed it twice.

>>714432718
He keeps claiming that he loves sonic, but then has an autism fit when sonic colors ultimate doesn’t glitch.

>>714416823
Sonictards wouldn't know a good game if it came up to them and shat in their face while fucking their mother.

>>714420414
>>714422313
There's a different dev team for most Sonic games. Sega hired 3rd party engineers to make the Adventure games until Yuji Naka fired them and stole their engine for his own.

>>714416823
Sonic fans switch up all the time.

>>714416823
It's a fine game. It's just kinda dull once you get past the callbacks and gimmicks and doesn't have very interesting level or boss design. If someone could criticize Classic games as "just hold down when you move near a slope and most of the time you're fine", Mania is that epitomized.

>>714434123
I enjoyed Studiopolis though

>>714400592
I read this in Mr.House's voice.

>the new theme for sonic racing is shit
>we'll never get crush 40 kino again
frontiers' boss music was good but damn green light ride was so much better than this new theme

>>714435573
seems like a skill issue on your part, the song is pretty good.

>>714434123
>It's just kinda dull once you get past the callbacks and gimmicks
Really? I thought it was the most soulful Sonic game yet. There's love and attention to detail everywhere in that game.
>doesn't have very interesting level or boss design
I thought the bosses were pretty good. They are all quick platforming challenges which fits Sonic's gameplay well.
>If someone could criticize Classic games as "just hold down when you move near a slope and most of the time you're fine", Mania is that epitomized.
Not really because Mania's stages have a lot of shortcuts and secrets. They also punish mindless slope jumping which is pretty smart.

>>714435638
>the song is pretty good
https://x.com/atomicmoons2/status/1940818701596471572

>>714420367
>How the fuck
zoomers just don't fucking like pixel art, everyone knows this
mania was a twitter darling, no random normie or kid is going to buy it, only terminally online autists cared

>>714401927
Man, she looks mega cute in that game.

>>714416823
reddit game

>>714435728
>UHM SORRY YOU CAN'T LIKE IT BECAUSE SOCIAL MEDIA SAYS SO
This is the caliber of fans IDW has brought to this fanbase

>>714435854
How is it reddit?

>>714421436
>Tbh the fan games were always better than what sega made
this "the fan games are better" shit is the biggest meme the dregs that make up the online sonic fanbase have every tried to push
I played all of these and they're all dogshit
if sega had released garbage like before/after the sequel, you would all be calling shit instead of going "damn why can't sega do THIS? it's so much better!"

>>714432718
Sega was in their retard phase
Still are but not AS retarded

>>714435878
>he likes the preschool tv series opening song
this is probably the most childish song in the series since we can from heroes

>>714435573
Yeah thanks to the Crush 40 singer sperging out over Live and Learn they're done for with Sonic
Damn shame

>>714435914
the primary audience is redditors who fell for the sonic was never good meme

>>714432286
>JOBdowfags unironically believe that

>>714436238
What? Sonic Heroes theme is one of the best ever, maybe you're not a Sonic fan if you don't like that type of music so maybe try "Devil May Cry" for more "Mature" gamers such as yourself.

>>714436298
to be fair, it's mainly sega's fault for once again not paying musicians for their work, or at the least not writing a good enough contract to cover their asses

>>714436432
you have no reading comprehension retard
>we can from heroes
this means the song "we can" from the video game "sonic heroes", understand?

>>714436316
>redditors who fell for the sonic was never good meme
Then why would they like a Sonic game changes nothing about the gameplay in order to appeal to them? It even has lives and game overs which redditors see as "outdated".

>>714436527
You didn't capitalize the song's name so I thought you just typed like a retard.

>>714436537
because this one was "made by the fans" so it's cool and wholesome, and also they can tout it as the "exception" that proves the rule

>>714436625
you can't fucking read
Maybe I Should Capitalize My Posts Like This So A Sped Like You Can Understand What I'm Typing. Faggot.

>>714436238
we can is based and you're a nigger with no friends

>>714436696
Are you ESL? you're supposed to capitalize the names of songs you're talking about bub, also We Can is a sick song.

>>714436695
>because this one was "made by the fans"
Would they hate the game because of that? Sonic fans were seen as a joke back then
>they can tout it as the "exception" that proves the rule
How is it an exception when it changed nothing about the core gameplay?

>>714436835
oops sorry sweety you didn't capitalize the start of your post, minor spelling mistake, opinion discarded

>>714436839
>Would they hate the game because of that?
no because it's supporting the poor little guy against the big evil corporation
>How is it an exception when it changed nothing
because they haven't played any other sonic game than mania, they just parrot online memes

>>714397845 (OP)
Imagine being a Sonic fan

>>714437658
Heh.........................

>>714437658
I wish I wasn't.

>>714437658
I'm a SEGAchad

>>714397845 (OP)
>Sonic was tortured for weeks
>"WHOA, THIS IS RADICAL! HEY BALDY MCNOSEHAIR!"
Clearly it wasn't long enough.

>>714438810
>>Sonic was tortured for weeks
>>"WHOA, THIS IS RADICAL! HEY BALDY MCNOSEHAIR!"
That's in-character Sonic. Nothing can break his spirit.

>>714438887
>>714438810
Sonic will never act "realistically" as somebody who was imprisoned and tortured for a long period of time, so he shouldn't be subjected to this situation in the first place

>>714438887
Anon, from a writing standpoint... if you're going to have a vapid, static mascot like Sonic be your protag... you don't write a story where he was "tortured for weeks." Do you understand how easy it is to just not say that happened to him? If he can't react to it in any meaningful way anyways?

>>714438791
I 'member that thread

>>714404153
I remember having a stroke while reading this. This line only works in the song and nowhere else on this planet.

>>714439084
>>714439096
>so he shouldn't be subjected to this situation in the first place
I disagree as this situation showcases Sonic's character and themes. Just compare how Sonic acts in Forces to Tails. That's why Sonic works.

>He's dead, but not really, but yeah, he's kinda of dead
What the fuck?

>>714439320
No it doesn't. It makes it seem like a mistranslation because clearly what they said happened to him didn't.

>>714439336
He's retired

>>714439336
she's my wife

>>714435854
The topic is about Mania, not SA2.

>>714436397
It's less that I think Shadow is cool and more that I remember from Forces that all Sonic needed to beat Infinite was a normal guy with a gun.

SHITnic
SHITdow
Chuckles
Fails
Gaymy
"Cream the rabbit", geddit?
They all lose to Chadrio

>>714439946
>

>>714438810
Oh no it's worse than that
He was tortured for 6 months

>>714439336
Sega really thought Infinite would be the next Shadow and wanted him to come back later

>>714440192
>can't even do this anymore

>>714416823
Real fans always hated Mania. The bandwagoners finally fucked off so now the voice of the Sonic fanbase isn't burried under redditors that love memefaces and unironically say Sonic was never good (until Mania!!!)

>>714440241
I find it funny how the Japanese script makes more sense, between "giving Sonic grief" instead of tortured, and Tails went AWOL instead of being implied to have gone loony. Forces is like the one game in the series besides Adventure 2 where they got really fucking weird with localizing it, but in SA2's case it was mostly just garbling some context up, while Forces had that fuckwit Pontac liberally throwing some rewrites around to edge things up.

>>714439746
That "normal guy" is my OC who's overpowered.

>>714440241
How did someone pen this, and then think it was good writing? If you need Sonic out of the way for bad things to happen and Eggman to take over, just write that he was "flung into the future" or something! He doesn't need to be TORTURED FOR HALF A FUCKING YEAR!

>>714440592

Thats what happens when Sonic Team tries to be serious.

>>714440551
Okay, I shouldn't say one game, Frontiers got reverse-localized to Japanese really badly too.
>>714440592
It was the US side of things mucking shit up.

>>714440647
90% of the Sonic fanbase could come up with better plots than these stiff fucking Japanese suits. This fuzzy animal action-drama shit writes itself, and they still can't manage it.

>>714440793
Or, ya know, stop fucking trying to inject drama in a cartoon.

>>714440714
>It was the US side of things mucking shit up.
Pontac and Graf were a blight. You should care at least a little when your job is fun enough that you write stories about multicolored animals fighting robots.

>>714397845 (OP)
Forces was such a massive waste of potential.

>>714440924
Drama is fine, as long as it's in service of good action or a compelling story. But Infinite is so poorly propped up by this "story" it's like someone fell asleep at the wheel of production.

>>714441040

No, it was just a bad idea.

>>714441017
Forces was a special kind of weird. If I remember right, there was no Warren Graff, just Ken Pontac, and compared to the set up of
>Sega of Japan / Sonic Team lays out the scenario
>the Pontaff duo write the script
>Japan then localizes it to be.. Japan-ified
Forces was a weird exception where instead Sonic Team had the JP script first and Pontac fucked with it to what he saw fit. The Sonic Wars leaks of early script stuff even had Aaron Webber's A.W. over it commenting about bits of the early script, like Tails being fucking useless and massively out of character against Chaos Zero. So really, that whole thing was fucked from the ground up, Pontac just made it over-the-top retarded as the cherry on the shit sundae.

i did not care for frontiers

>>714441109
It's easy to say that when citing the execution. Imagine if the Sonic Adventures had writing this bad.

>>714441610
>Imagine if the Sonic Adventures had writing this bad.
How do we tell 'em?

>>714441302
I still haven't played it myself, but from what I've seen, the tone is really weird. Why is everything so wistful and moody? That shit about Amy and the Not-Koroks, I can't tell if it's supposed to put me to sleep or make me shed a tear. If the former, it seems to be working.

>>714441279
>Sonic Wars
isn't that a pariah joke

>>714441684
>How do we tell 'em?
You already did, fox boy!

>>714441759
Ian wanted to be "deep".

>>714441040
What exactly was the "potential" of Forces?

>>714441302
You're using this image wrong.

>>714420414
None of the original devs who made the Genesis games work at Sega anymore so it doesn't matter

>>714441904

>>714442206
He really posted this as if it's supposed to mean something.

>>714442206
>>714442329
Sonic taking back his world is a lot more interesting than Sonic playing defense for his world in all honesty.

>>714442329
Do you honestly not know or are you just dangling bait?

>>714442206

Ugh, thank fuck it failed. The last thing the games need is SatAM garbage.

>>714442708
In that case, yes. All you'd have to do is change the premise a little.
>Eggman (somehow) whisked Sonic and friends away to an alternate world! After managing to finally come back home, they find their planet has been turned into Eggman Land/Utopia (or whatever). Liberate each city with your speed and blablabla,
You get the idea. No need for an OC, just go out there and do your thing. I think the story itself would be trickier to handle, but I think this premise alone would probably be a lot better and easier to accept.

>>714416823
People are overreacting because Sonic Mania was worshipped as the second coming of Christ by ClassicPedos when it's just an alright game. It's nothing new if you've played fan games or rom hacks. It's also a symbol of Sega caving to classicpedos who have been non-stop bitching and moaning about "not muh sonic" since sa1.

>>714443163
Japanese Sonic media sucks.

>>714442965
There is nothing wrong with SatAM besides it just being tonally incompatible with what Sonic games turned out to be. Well, aside from the writers being completely unwilling to mesh gears with the games. The eyes at the series finale should have been Knuckles, but they thought their stupid crab wizard was better, inexplicably.

>>714443239
>There is nothing wrong with SatAM besides it just being tonally incompatible with what Sonic games turned out to be.
That sounds like a very big something wrong.

i liked frontiers

Would you rather have back Pontac's nothing burger writing or Ian "Member Berries" Flynn

>>714443374
>>714441302

>>714443507
ZAMN, SHE'S 12!???

>>714443307
It just requires a different approach than we've had. But I'll tell you right now, SatAM, wholesale, is a better package than Forces. Period. But Sega isn't brave enough to introduce characters who would actually fit roles of a rebellion, so now we have a reclusive gem guardian acting as a leader.

>>714443239
>>714443307
To be fair, Sonic CD came out after AoSTH and Satam, they literally had about two games (handheld games were a joke) to make a TV series about

>>714443509
Just hand me the gun.

>>714443509
I would rather completely remove dialogue and voice lines from Sonic games forever

>>714443509
pontac

>>714443509

Pontac, easy. Sonic should be goofy and funny.

>>714443560
I'm not giving the American writers a hard time (besides the crab wizard garbage). Yes, Sonic could have turned into very different things that far back in the franchise' infancy, though.

>>714440565
>overpowered
>when they nearly died to three Egg Pawns because they're a normal guy with a gun

>>714443718
>tripnigger being retarded as per usual
Yep, it's another day ending in Y...

>>714443718
I don't even think they're bad writers but Sonic products under them were just not good, except maybe that one Boom episode they wrote.

>>714397845 (OP)
>sonic fans will tell you the real dark age was the 2010's because youtubers made fun of them all the time, and not the mid to late 2000's when sonic was considered one of the worst fandoms of all time until Colors came out
hah

>>714443921
Opinions on a fanbase are a pretty worthless assessment of a franchise, though. Fortunately, Sonic 06 happened "mid to late 2000's" so the games where officially shit by then too.

>>714443921
The real truth is that even with 06, Sonic was seen as a "quirky with weird niggas" fandom, and it wasn't until Chrischan's shit got popular that it was the worst it ever was. Everything just somehow snowballed after that. These days, normies try to ride on it from the movies, so it's definitely more "accepted". But the movies aren't that good...

>>714430670
johnny went woke around the covid era and now shames anyone for being a normal straight male. they rarely play any new games and just replay games they did 10 years ago now. but now not as comfy since they're jaded 30 year olds trying to one up each other on who knows more than the other about games or whatever. i'm still subbed but don't haven't watched anything for a while

>>714430670
I barely watch Johnny these days. He turned into something of a faggot, and his jokes have gotten really cringey, along with his takes. Can't remember what they are for the life of me, probably for the better, but I'm just tired of it. Could be worse, I guess. He could be a massively overweight, ufunny, lard waste of space like his brother Elliot. Seriously, I just want to punch the shit out of that faggot every time I hear his cheese gurgling voice.

>>714443921
Sonic Heroes
Shadow
06
Sonic 1 GBA fuckip edition
Secret Rings
Half of Unleashed
(Also we got some really good shit during this time like the Rush series, Advance, Battle, Riders)

vs
Sonic 4 EP 2
Sonic Lost World
Sonic Boom
Sonic Boom 3DS
Sonic Forces
Team Sonic Racing
Sonic Colors fuckup edition

>>714441017
>Pontac and Graf were a blight.
however

>>714442965
as if it wouldn't be an improvement and immediately garner attention

>>714445101
why did you skip frontiers?

>>714443307
so, what's your opinion on the wild tonal and stylistic shifts every new game or two takes?

>>714445195
It's only natural Graff would blame Sega, wether that's true or not. I could see it being true. I'm just not sure I'd blame such a quick deflection.

>>714443560
not only that, the revealed court docs show DiC signed the agreement in October 1991. so actually they didn't even have Sonic 2 to go off of when they were first getting started.

>>714445415
>DUUUUDE, WHY DID YOU SKIP THE GAME THAT SOLD AND REVIEWED WELL, AND GOT SONIC TEAM A BIGGER BUDGET TO MAKE GOOD SHIT AND THAT SEGA CREDITED TOWARDS GIVING THEM THE CONFIDENCE TO REVIVE THEIR OTHER SERIES??? DUUUUDE I DON'T CARE I HATE FRONTIERS SO IT'S BAD
grow up

>>714443509
Hire me

>>714445491
>I'm just not sure I'd blame such a quick deflection.
believe*

>>714445101
the bottom half at least had generations and mania

>>714443608
i'm in favor of this too. sonic's best games are when he doesn't speak.

>>714445101
>live in an era where all the console versions are dogshit but the handheld games are somehow utter kino (except for brotherhood)
vs.
>live in an era where every game on ALL platforms suck
Damn. I guess the 2000s time wasn't so bad after all...

>>714443921
>>714444256
The failure of 06 is what led to the dark ages. And while there were glimmers of light during those times, it's because of them that it led to horrid course correction like pic related that only further the dark ages' lifespan.

>>714445491
i've been out since SA2, i have no dog in this fight.

don't you think it's a little telling that literally every writer who has ever worked for them has had a similar experience?

>>714445595
Eh Gens doesn't count cause it's before all that but I forgot about Mania tho

>>714445542
?

>>714445195
That's still not an excuse. They could've made a good story regardless, and didn't because they fucking suck.

>>714445732
At least this writer actually probably KNOWS Shadow's backstory. I wonder how well Wikipedia covered that for Pontac.

>no he wasn't tortured that was localization
Cool story, bro, locking a character that values freedom above his own life in a prison cell while he's forced to watch his arch-enemy go unopposed hurting his friends and conquering the planet for six months straight is still torture. The problem is Sonic not giving a shit, ShTH is just as guilty of this by the way, I just thought that was an interesting comparison seeing as in ShTH he does nothing of consequence while in Forces he matters more than the resistance.

>>714397845 (OP)
the dark ages of sonic never ended.

>>714397845 (OP)
>Superstars came out in 2023
Not really helping your case here.

>>714445732
>WAHHHHH WE CAN'T RECALL HIS BACKSTORY FOR THE 50 MILLIONTH TIME, SO WE MUST MAKE HIM DOGSHIT!!!
What the fuck is up with modern writers, man? How are they so uncreative?

>>714446085
>>714446107
all i'm sayin is

this is like a "Yuji Naka being an asshole" story, it's still just within the realm of plausibility.

>>714446291
Explain why the script is entirely different in japanese then.

>>714446291
isnt the english story in forces completely different in tone from the japanese version? like they just straight up claim sonic was being tortured which wasnt in the original

>>714446235
>JUST MAKE UP THIS CHARACTER TOTALLY NEW BUT DON'T MAKE HIM DIFFERENT SO HELP ME GOD

>>714446370
>>714446379
Holy shit you guys are fast, you both posted this seconds apart

>>714397845 (OP)
imagine being a sonic fan past the 2d age

>>714446457
Don't underestimate the power of autism.
>>714446418
Yes. People do it for comic book characters. Why can't they?

>>714439746
>leeching off others' feats, like he always does to Sonic
As expected of potential man, the hedgehog, "if" and "when", but never "is"

She will save the franchise

>>714446370
>>714446379
whatever the percentage, i have no problem believing Sonic Team wanted that level of involvement.
maybe they're still at fault for the wording. but i can def see Sonic Team reading drafts and going
>No, this has to happen in the story instead.

>>714397845 (OP)
>Imagine being a Sonic fan
plz no

>>714446629
>potential man, the hedgehog
That's Silver.

>>714400843
It's obvious he has a problem with the main female character's trait being that she's obsessed with a man.

>>714443307
>That sounds like a very big something wrong.
Nigga it's a goddamn DIC cartoon, don't expect accuracy in their vidya shows, especially for the game series that ended up sticking around

>>714446187
>Dream Team too and it was good
I am

>>714446629
I can't wait for the next mainline game to come out and fans say that "while there's some good things about it, there's also (blatant flaws that should've never made it past QA) and "IT'S A STEP IN THE RIGHT DIRECTION"
every time

>>714416823
Because at the end of the day it feels like a glorified "greatest hits cover album of Sonic levels" with some new ones thrown in. It's an ok game but it's not some unparalleled masterpiece. And the bosses mostly suck.

>>714446541
>Yes. People do it for comic book characters.
1)when Miller wrote Dark Knight Returns, he didn't have DC sending him messages like
>Ok, now remember, in Detective Comics #28...
comic book writers are given nearly carte blanche to do literally whatever to the characters, as long as it won't result in franchise suicide.

2)it just as often goes terrible as it does good

>>714435646
>thought it was the most soulful
Opinion discarded

>>714447434
You're a contrarian.
>>714447505
I'm hearing a lot of yapping, not a lot of happening. Sounds like a personal issue. It's their fault for being unable to use their wit, for they had none.

>>714404731
>>714405968
seems about right, sonic was never good
it only exists cause of retarded furfaggots that must consume all the furslop, regardless of quality

>>714435646
>I thought the bosses were pretty good. They are all quick platforming challenges which fits Sonic's gameplay well.
?
Puyo Pop, waiting for Heavy Gunner to retaliate to, the Pulp Garden first boss being a wait for safety thing, the Egg Spider waiting for retaliation with VERY wonky hit detection, the initial version of the Metal Sonic battle, shit like dropping bombs on Eggman for Hydrocity 1, and other examples, are not "quick platforming challenges". And that isn't even brushing into the sheer amount of bosses and phases got wholesale reused from the classics, with only minor additions or touch-ups like an extra attack here and there.

>>714407616
You're either shilling or your taste is absolute garbage. I'm glad I never had to meet ya in person and God have mercy on those that do.

>>714439436
>>714439336
I believe in Jackal supremacy.

>>714443507
Amy's pink plump puffy fluffy face pulverizing meteor posterior is the fear of many a feminist circle looking to shield the eyes of people from a feminine form soo pure and powerful, it shatters the delusional notion that "feminine" cannot be a monument of female value. Amy's rosy pink cheeks throw many a censor into tizzy fit, even when ALREADY COVERED by the pure white sheet of cuteness and innocence. Sega try to cover her posterior in black and red of her dress and none are enough to numb the average human mind. Her presence alone gets the internet abuzz from the big screen to where Paramount needs to twist her little hips and buns in a tight dress that wraps around and around.

But it's still not enough, the power seeps through with such pink aura, the powers that be have to remove it from imageboards and other online forums and comment sections on videos. Her assteroid causes a mass extinction level event of human mind if the average person ever happens to gaze upon it's rosy gaze. Sega knows it and they don't want to be held responsible for the absolutely havoc Amy's perfect, cute little ass would cause if the wider public caught but the faintest wiff of it.

>>714443718
None of their games were goofy. Colors is very dull, there’s no visual humor, it’s all standing around and talking. Lost World plays the Zeti weirdly straight despite most of them being one-dimensional stereotypes.

>>714448163
Look I'm not reading allat, just post some Amy pics I can get off to.

>>714443921
The Sonic fandom of the 2000’s is so much better than the troons that infest the fanbase now.

>>714448273
Most people can't read these days anyway, so it's cool. Back rubs for the Pink Ass-clapper.

>>714448325
True, the fandom was a bit autistic, but it got to a very rough point post 2013 when troons and feminists started hijacking it. It didn't help that sega does everything in their power to appeal to only women, so, I can't blame guys of every age just ignoring the IP or abandoning it.

Butt this old fag will keep stickin' around. Mobian ladies are always fun eye candy for me at least. Also, the porn has always been good. It's probably the only reason why there's a fandom around at all anymore.

>>714448407
>amy with a muscular back
I never knew I needed this. Fuck.

>>714448656
>sega does everything in their power to appeal to only women
What?

>>714446743
Going to be daring and say that the Sonic IP is faring better than even WoW atm. Both are infested by """Western Values""" of course, like nearly all IPs, but Sonic isn't as bad just yet.

>>714397845 (OP)
I remember the Mania and Forces hype around here. Mania looked fun as hell and Forces was looking to be a nice follow up to Generations. And around that time Archie put out their Mega Drive Miniseries that was very well received. Sonic was back, baby!
And then Archie dropped the Sonic license and cancelled the completed third issue.
Mania came out, was fun as hell, but reused too many Zones (I would be more accepting of it if they had picked from the 8-bit titles too).
And then Forces came out a few months after and was just a complete and utter embarrassment

>>714448849
Sonic was always western-oriented to begin with, he was just made by Japs. He only ever sold worth a damn overseas. And the times they tried to make Japanese-oriented shit like Sonic X rarely got received well, even pushing the 4kids dub aside; only season 3 really stuck its neck out in any notable way for people to care about, and it's still mixed reception to this day.
Shit, Sonic was supposed to be "based off of Bill Clinton" personality-wise until they actually made a character for him later.

>>714448774
swinging a hammer around all days does wonders.

>>714448824
Yeah, in their recent shows and films, the female characters are always empowered and competent while the males are mostly just a punchline. Also the female characters like Rouge and Amy have been censored heavily. There's a clear bias in favor of lady consumers.

>>714449050
You're not wrong, but back in the 90s and 00s, the West wasn't as much of a cultural shithole as it is now. It was actually cool and ahead of the curb, now it's just feminist, corporate slop on overdrive.

>>714449054
I dunno I thought they were just trying to appeal to western audiences, parents, and people who think Amy and Rouge are bad female characters.

>>714449309
Trannies/feminists and single moms might think that way and they spam social media all day so I think sega got the wrong impression. There was nothing wrong with either character for decades. These changes are just a couple years old. No, Rouge and Amy are feminine and jealous people who are hyper fixated on their own narcissism always trash on feminine characters of any genre.

They see Amy's face and think: "Disgusting patriarchal propaganda!" They fear and hate fictional characters like this. It's really sad quite frankly.

>>714443718
Gunny?

I hope you all have a kick-ass 4th of July, overeat and get those fireworks crackin'.

Cheers.

>>714451189
the fuck is wrong his with brow?

>>714451528
The same thing that is wrong with Donkey Kong's. Male features that may come off as toxic masculinity are shaved down to appeal to women that are intimidated by cartoons.

>>714451528
>>714451969
It's not hard to understand how eyebrows and eyelids work

>>714452202
It's the the corporate-safe style people like us take issue with. You're making brain dead assumptions about our grievances because you're mad that there are people who think these redesigns and retcons are shit. Donkey Kong and Sonic have been emasculated, it's obvious. Gaslight all you want.

>>714452376
>You're making brain dead assumption
>you're mad
>Gaslight all you want.
All I said was 'It's not hard to understand how eyebrows and eyelids work'

Go take a lap.

>>714402507
>the comic that mindbroke IDWfags

>>714452497
Of course we know how eyebrows work, but you're assuming we don't, so thanks for repeating what I stated. Are you having trouble understanding me? The new styles and "art" directions are lame.

>>714452679
>but you're assuming we don't
Didn't assume anything, just stated 'It's not hard to understand how eyebrows and eyelids work'

Take another lap.

>>714403041
grim
the thing that kind of replaced it for me is going down that route too

>>714452850
Whenever you people defend this low quality garbage, you always act disingenuous. Must be a mental illness of some kind.

>>714403041
sonic's been mostly shit for decades, but the moment I stop looking forward to seeing what the franchise does next is the moment the series truly dies.

>>714453245
What am I defending, perchance?

>>714451189
I don't like how Sonic's eyebrows are rendered
>>714451528
>the fuck is wrong his with brow
They made the furrowed brow the default
It's really easy to fuck up his expressions
>>714451969
They just made new DK more cartoony
I do think it went too far out of character

>>714400843
Eh personally I don't mind that they dialed back Amy's love craziness over Sonic. They obviously still push SonAmy between the in game stuff and stuff like the twitter takeover, they just made it way less obnoxious on her side.

>>714416823
true sonic fans are cattle that don't deserve actually good games like mania. they would rather have shit like superstars and frontiers

>>714403041
i completely logged off the series after how garbage and soulless lost world ended up being and mania sadly pulled me back in
i really want to see how hard will ian fuck everything up

>>714453742
Interesting and informative image, but ultimately as much as I imagine some fans want to stubbornly just chug on instead of allow secondary influence in, they really should just ditch the original eye design and go with how the movie has depicted him.

Sonic's modern design isn't even really referencing the influences his original was anymore, so it's vestigial. So are his gloves, but it's not as much of an impairment to his animation.

>>714453742
Yeah, the comics don't do Sonic any favors. Clearly these artists don't understand the stylization Sonic had for the last 20+ years. It's not hard to mold his eyebrows into proper expressions. The cartoons and games in the 90s and 00s are unsurpassed compared to the modern ones and how the characters emoted were among them. I never did understand why they added the central crease between the eyes when the earlier iterations figured everything out before hand.

Westerners have lost their creative spark, they over complicate the process, especially in the last ten years, further back it was more tolerable, at times even a fine addition and interpretation.

>>714397845 (OP)
Homosexual intercourse with Miles Prower

>>714454395
Yeah, the movie interpretation is good as well, not sure if that was a Western addition, but if it was, it's a very very rare instance of a good creative alternative.

>>714401696
She literally had a character arc in Adventure about how as much as she admires Sonic she can't just rely on him for everything and needs to do her own thing now and then. Every game after that ignored this, including Ian's games. Heroes onward just reset her character to being Sonic crazed, and Ian's writing just pretends she was never Sonic crazed to begin with.

>>714402361
It's not really uncommon, but Amy in particular was supposed to be the anti-Peach in the way that Sonic was the anti-Mario. Mario never gets any affection from Peach other than a peck on the cheek despite saving her all the time, but Amy is obsessed with Sonic and he really just saves her because it's the right thing to do despite not being into her at all.

>>714453941
Yeah, but removing extremes in character expressions dulls the drama and experience. They dialed many character's emotional expressions down from an eight to a two.

I understand the whole "it's for kids" argument, but even Disney back in the day did it's best to appeal to both adults and kids. Adults understood jokes for adults, kids understood jokes for kids. Also, kids' entertainment doesn't have to be dull and boring all the time, ya know? Many of the games and movies Gen X and Millennials grew up with were pretty damn edgy by several magnitudes compared to the last ten years.

>>714404657
Lmao Sonic is keeping Amy in a situationship.

>>714404367
hi zoomie

>>714440548
Name every single game that "real fans" are supposed to not hate, anon.

>>714453692
I got the impression you were defending the softening and redesigns that have made characters like DK and Sonic less interesting, softer.

>>714436298
I doubt they'll completely drop him because they're relatively perceptive to fans as a soulless corporation and Live and Learn is well liked, contract disputes are relatively common in music too

>>714404657
People like Evan and their ideals disgust me. I really do not like these people.

>>714454395
>should just ditch the original eye design
You shouldn't ditch Sonic's core influence
The movie design was a concession for a "realism" and it's good but I don't want it
>>714454446
I think it's just design telephone , they don't know why he was drawn that way

>>714403041
>watch first hand Sonic as a franchise crashing down and losing all its soul and charm to become the corporate slop it is today?
Same way I felt about Transformers, Dragon Ball, Street Fighter, and every other series I was into when it happened.

>>714404153
It gets worse.

>>714455074
If modern westerners took longer than five minutes to speak to their Japanese counterparts to try and understand why a character's design is the way it is and cooperated in good faith, I think entertainment in general would be in a far better place. Makes me ashamed to have the displeasure to be born in a Western country sometimes, due to how close-minded my kin are.

>>714407217
You also can't forget that 2012-2022 was the Sonic Boom era, which basically killed any monetary momentum the franchise could have possibly had due to being a huge money sink.

>>714455217
Genuinely awful

>>714455217
That it fucking did. Ian makes me wish Ken Penders stuck around, even if it wouldn't be much of an improvement considering Ken Penders is also a trapdoor feminist.

>>714455358
>>714455489
I was a teenager and a huge MM autist when the comic was coming out. I generally loved all the fandom references, but that one actually made me wince. I understood when I heard that editors forced Ian to tone it down.

>>714398107
Before Mania they were really pushing Boom as the big thing

>>714455612
Ian is still stuck in his fanfic writer phase
What works there cannot work in actual original works

>>714455264
This isn't the WEST VS JAPAN
This happens to any long running series
I don't like how most modern renders look

>>714432718
Why does he he get filtered by games that literal children can 100%?

>>714399080
Sonic was so rude and mean to Amy in 2011 I find it funny and goofy

>>714455892
20 year old model lol

>>714455074
that image is bullshit that was never actually applied after 1992 by the way.

>>714455892
I keep hearing that local Japanese aren't really fans of the IP. Although I imagine if sega reversed their retcons and censorship, they'd be more into it. So, I just get the impression there is some West v Japan thing going on.

If I were Japanese, I'd take offense to sega's strong Western pandering as well.

>>714456104
I mean, the western pandering is 2 decades old at this point with them compromising Eggman's legal name as Robotnik.

>>714399703
Free Sonic Advance and Sonic Rush

>>714455907
That was the whole point of their relationship, it was comedic and cute. Amy being teased was adorable, man and it was a very relatable thing to witness because I had lady friends in school and at the workplace I teased as well. Now we have to treat each other like we're in quarantine or something. It's no wonder so many people are depressed and lonely.

Seeing Sonic and Amy treat each other like corporate co-workers is especially depressing.

>>714455937
Sonic Team don't move Sonic's eyebrows
That model is still similar to most promos
Sonic has the permenant static buttbrow
>>714456024
Explain what you mean
By the way I'm not a classic fanboy
I'm just really critical about Sonic's eyes
Modern Sonic can and had better eyes

>>714456147
I think the Robotnik/Eggman thing is forgivable, but yeah, sega pushing it in japan is just not the way to go. Keep American canon to America and Japanese to Japan. Japanese and American fans can have a laugh about the differences online.

>>714456332
Having a static eyebrow is too uncanny. Gotta have it be more dynamic like on the right, it feels more natural.

>>714456332
Shadow's eyebrows work just fine in Shadow Generations, though his lack of shoulders can get distracting in certain shots.

>>714402730
Tootie is a cutie

>>714456332
crazy how a slight change makes it so much better, damn
sega really needs to update that fucking 2 decade old model

>>714456464
Yeah the Robotnik thing is small, but it's the foot in the door that lets the rest of the shit in. I even like the Robotnik family lore, but it's hard to ignore it's the start of the westernization of Sonic.

Actually, you know what? Sonic was based off of Santa Claus and Bill Clinton. He was always western.

>>714408450
They know that, Anon, they're just being disingenuous.

>>714456601
they did, they made him light blue and fucked up his quills

>>714456628
Sonic was inspired by some Western idols like Micheal Jackson, obviously, but at his core, he's a Japanese IP. Also, I'm not a fan of the West, especially in the last ten years or so, but, I'll admit that Dr. Robotnik goes way harder than Dr. Eggman.

"Robotnik" just sounds badass as fuck.

>>714456676
Yeah, those changes are why I didn't bother to buy this crap. Sonic looks fucking lame in this """"remaster"""".

>>714456332
I wish Sega had good animators like the Sonic Dream Team guys

>>714456795
Robotnik is just a cool name. Eggman has a microdick. Robotnik has a massive PINGAS.

>>714456676
Ugly ass short quills

I would actually love to see 2ch's reaction to reading this thread.

Sonic Frontiers was the first modern game in a decade taht wasn't a 0/10 but I wouldn't say it "saved" the franchise.
Shadow Generations is the first Sonic game since Unleashed that has more than $0 budget which gives a bit of hope for the future
The series would be considered "saved" if Frontiers 2 is like an 8/10 kino but chances of that are essentially 0

>>714456676
what the hell, they fucked up sonic' model in generations a well?

>>714456676
The Chad Dark Blue Blur vs The Virgin Sky Blue Doormat

>>714456530
>Having a static eyebrow is too uncanny
Once I noticed, I understood why it sucked
>>714456601
>slight change makes it so much better
Because they're emoting like real cartoons
>>714456853
>good animators like the Sonic Dream Team
I don't like the model but it emote good
I also like how Sonic Boom's model emotes

>>714457036
only in the sxsg cutscenes for some reason, the base game still uses the 2011 version

>>714457192
All it would take sega is five minutes of giving a shit and the right stylization of that image would be realised. It would be a step in the right direction for once. it'd be a sign they're starting to actually "get it".

Stylization trumps realism.

>>714457371
They've done it before but went too far
I actually don't know when they stopped

Also is that sprite an edit and from where?

>>714457849
Yeah it didn't translate well in SA1 due to the 3D being ass but them abandoning this entirely was a stupid idea. All they had to do was some tweaks here and there.

Also I dunno, I just found it on here. kek.

>>714457978
It's because the extreme face transitions
Their faces flap open like sock puppets

I was asking because Amy has a lot of canon upskirt shots in the games

>>714457849
Around Sonic 06, they kept it in both heroes and sa2 especially

>>714458463
I figured it was around Sonic 06
Sonic still emotes in Unleashed but idk if that's just the Marza planet cutscenes

>2023's campaign was Fast Friends Forever, focusing on Sonic's closest friends, it culminated in Final Horizon
>2024's campaign was Year of Shadow, focusing on Shadow and culminating in Shadow Gens and Tokyo Mission
>2025 is online multiplayer racing games
Eh, two out of three isn't bad, definitely a letdown though.

>>714458786
in game he looks very static so yeah