This is the most overpowered unit in advance wars.

>>714407350 (OP)
Mechs? Explain.

>>714407551
You can spam them and destroy all the cheapest armored vehicles with them

ded franchise

>>714407847
Awbw will keep it alive

This is the most overpowered unit in wargroove

>>714408091
Yeah, and their critical hit synergy's bullshit, too.

>>714408091
What does it do. I never played wargroove

I honestly think its weird how cos in the highest tier can still lose to cos in the lowest tier under the right conditions and also how some cos just drop to bottom tier on fog like grit

>>714407551
I don’t actually know I just wanted to start a thread and remembered that one topic about mechspam over a mountain

>>714408857
mechs are shit, they are only good for attacking from mountains and cities
they have shit defense and get rekt by artillery just like infantry.

>>714409005
I’m to max-brained to care about building artillery

>>714408451
Well yah Grit's whole deal is ranged warfare. I wouldn't say he's bottom tier tho. Drop a recon on land and use it to scout; if you stay close enough to artillery/rockets you can get attacks off

>>714409279
I derped and meant AAs

>>714409408
Every fog of war Gritt scenerio is basically you chasing down the recons to make him blind.

For me it's AA, reg tanks, and attack helicopters

>>714409413
I don’t think you really build AAs to counter mechs tho and tanks can still get destroyed by enough of them. 1 AA can also get btfo’d by multiple of them.

Medium tank, neotank or megatank? And which is the tranny option?

>>714408091
why are the spears made out of rubber

>>714408340
Medieval fantasy version of mechs.
>hits harder than the swordsmen which are basically infantry from Advance Wars
>units in Wargroove under certain conditions can crit which increases their damage by at least 50%, spearmen have one of the easiest crit conditions which only requires them to have another unit of spearmen to be adjacent to them so you basically have permanent 50% extra damage
>pretty cheap, only 250 gold
>fuck up every land unit except giants which are like the Wargroove version of neotanks/megatanks

>>714409785
>make advance wars spiritual sequel
>turn it into fire emblem
Awful

>>714409735
megatank is the trany option. slow, heavy and expensive which will break you unless you only insta kill everything with it.

>>714409897
Anon it's nothing like Fire Emblem. I don't know how you inferred that from my post :(

Just admit it. Reboot camp was actually good.
>amazing ost remix
>stayed true to the original while adding necessary qol
>AI the same as original outside of not being able to see you in fog
>clone andy playable
>menu/ui looks good
>co power remixes of regular co themes that are all bangers
>overworld sprites reflect unit differences for more than just the infantry
>redesigns are all good except max and maybe olaf, some are incredible upgrades like sturm
Are you really going to bitch over the fucking sprites when you don’t even see the battle animations? 90% of players have them off and you know it

>>714410091
I get it's not character units, but a crit has no place in Advance Wars IMO

>>714409897
It is literally nothing like fire emblem. Why are there so many stupid fucking takes like this in the internet? You literally just immediately assumed it was FE because they aren’t using guns and tanks? What the fuck do you play this game genre for the gameplay or the graphics? Because your post hella implies its the latter.

>>714410346
Advance wars has literal damage variance, even if you don’t play luck based cos or sonja and alot of the time it can fuck you over, especially when breaking through a wall of units for a property or something

>>714410528
Damage variance is not a +50% roll tho, c'mon. A tight spread is fine

>>714410707
You can literally guarantee the crit, that anon said it

>>714410232
>can't manually save and quit in VS, the game only gives you a single autosave
>if the game crashes, by one of the many bugs, your autosave gets wiped

No, fuck off the game was garbage. It lacked features that were in the original over 20 tears ago

>>714410770
That's not a good thing thing that you can power up a unit +50% simply by being adjacent to another, especially for what appears to be a cheap equivalent to a Mech unit. I'm not in favor of buffs outside of territory or CO powers. I'll never play Wargroove, mechanics like that are an instant turn-off.

>>714411036
Found the DoR tranny.

>>714411149
Lol I only played AW and AW2:BHR.

>>714411208
Explain how you are against buffs except co powers when aw has always featured d2d buffs.

>>714407350 (OP)
Missiles are the most underpowered unit. Are we all in agreement on that? They cost a ton and can only hit air units. You could buy two anti-air guns for the same price.

>>714408091
So just like IRL?

>>714409643
I disagree unless it's very mountainous terrain AAs eat mechs for breakfast 1:1. Defending you can obviously build much cheaper and move speed becomes less of an issue but you have to keep them tight.

Today I learned that dual strike actually casualized most of the war room maps.
Did tney make speed requirements more strict at least? Especially on tag matchups?

>>714411423
AA guns need to be right next to the air unit, missles don't. Also missles do more damage, AA is less effective against planes and bombers.

>>714411405
Because it's cool thematically that armies have different strengths and weaknesses and plays into the terrain with certain COs better suited for certain maps

>>714411423
You can use missles to do airport locks so they are not useless.
I don’t think discussion on unit usecase is really an argument for unit balance on aw either since some units are clearly meant to be used under specific circumstances while others are meant to be standard day to day builds like infantry or tanks

>>714411423
Have to agree with
>>714411623
Missiles are hard Bomber counters. Any other aerial unit I'm sticking with AA especially for the added infantry advantage

>>714411791
Okay and how is a conditional critical condition specific to one type of unit really any different to that?

>>714409735
reg tank. i prefer overwhelming the enemy with numbers.

>>714411423
Theres no useless units in aw:
>missles and carriers can airport lock
>piperunners hit both air and ground units

>>714411036
That's because you didn't play Wargroove anon, they still have the weaknesses of mechs like being slow as fuck and sitting ducks against aircraft or artillery.
>>714411458
Pretty much.

is days of ruin worth playing? i tried it once, but it was ugly so i didn't play it.

>>714412010
Thats not gonna work when your opponent decides to tech up.
You can’t sacrifice 3-4 tanks to beat one neotank if you want to actually win

>>714412164
DoRs problem is that it balanced the game. Not joking.
>no d2d bonus on any co outside of co zone
>only units in co zone charge the co power
Its just lame. It also looks ugly like you said.

>>714412201
i pair it with artillery

>>714411979
It just sounds stupid to me with how easy it is to trigger for that specific unit. Mechs in AW would be massively buffed especially on counterattacks against recon/tank/AA with that setup. You like the feature, I don't. It's fine.

>>714408451
Grit is better in fog though? You get the element of surprise

>>714412126
bro your oozium?

>>714412164
DoR is kino. Probably the best advance wars game

>>714412201
Flooding the map with cheap units is actually a great way to slow down advances since you're only getting 1 attack/unit/round. The Zapp Brannigan defense

>>714409279
>AW is gay faggotry jealous of more succesful games
Checks out

>>714407350 (OP)
Nah they're slow as shit
Regular infantry are way more OP by swamping enemies and guaranteeing first strikes

>>714412397
No because his main unit pref is artillery, which has 1 vision. He can function in fow thanks to recons but hes still nerfed due to not being able to see the entire map.
Direct combat is strictly better in fow overall and takes advantage of the element of surprise much better
artillery use generally is more for hiding it in a spot to defend or lock a property.

>>714412568
I actually love fire emblem and engage is my favorite so you lost. I am also a gameplayfag so I can care less that engage is full of clown designs like Hortensia. But either wat yes I am very gay you got that right at least.

>>714407350 (OP)
the lack of movement just hurts mechs too much

>>714413298
He does great with moutainous terrain that heavily nerfs movement and approaches, but yah, it's an overall nerf

>>714407350 (OP)
My Baboon Brothers, My Simian Sisters. Our time in NOW!

>>714413841
>advance wars died before we ever got army/unit customization
:(

>>714412201
Depends on the situation. A lot of maps have a 2 vs 1 base situation or the option the front-shift. So you tech-up and your opponent responds by attacking the other side of the map. Teching up is good but you are giving your opponent tempo.

>>714407350 (OP)
the real most OP unit is the copter, they're flying tanks that hard or soft counter literally every unit that isn't expensive as fuck except for anti air, which you can often just fly around because they have the same movement speed but obviously the copter isn't stopped by terrain. the map making meta is almost entirely about where the airports are
>>714409735
md tank wastes cheaper units almost as hard as the other two while being so cheap you can buy a second unit. neotanks are just a "I actually won already, cleanup time" unit and megatanks are just a gag

>>714414134
Don’t care
Still using Drake

>>714413841
Finally, gorilla warfare.

>>714410232
>Adding necessary qol
>Both games just crash in the final boss fight because modern devs can't program for shit

>>714407350 (OP)
true but in days of ruin

>>714414206
Based fatty

>>714408091
Ugly wokeshit on the expansion except for cute batgirl in the base game made for impregnating sex

>>714407350 (OP)
Black Hole versions of vehicles in 2 looked really stupid.

>>714407350 (OP)
I too remember being 800

>>714414347
I dont remember it crashing in either of the final sturm maps?
What the fuck are you guys talking about?

>>714414134
>md tank wastes cheaper units almost as hard as the other two
Hard disagree. Mediums hit hard but not hard enough. Their base damage is only 85% without terrain. Meaning they rarely get one hit KOs. On top of being 1 move slower the tempo loss is exceptional. Your enemy can just run away from your md and stall the MD tanks for up to 2 turns with just one tank. This doesn't make the MD tank bad but it's too easy to play around. Now the Nedo tank with it's 6 movement and 105% base damage against tanks and beautiful 125% base damage against infantry makes it's an unstoppable force. You can't stall it because it will wall break you. It has 6 movement so you can't out pace it. You can't chip it because even damaged it still does crazy damage. It's a land bomber that can't be zoned by 8k anti-air. Megatank is a meme.

We really need Lichess for Adavance Wars. Or maybe I'm out of the loop

>>714414730
*Neotank not Nedo tank

>>714414134
Neotanks aren't cleanup units, though you do typically build them to capitalize on your income lead. Mega tanks are a meme 99% of the time but on rare occasions you can catch your opponent forgetting to build artillery in a base race and stall them.

>>714414581
Reboot Camp and its crashing is a known issue

>>714414839
More like Nerdo tank

>>714414501
True, I just wish she didn't have a tumblr nose.

>>714414930
This makes Lash angry

>>714414907
Well its definitely not an exceedingly common issue cause i never got a crash. At worst I got audio bugs.
At least post the conditions for the crash before trying to convince me that its an actual issue that you will regularly encounter in normal gameplay.

>>714414836
Very. There's AWBW for 1-DS simulation and TinyWars for DoR

>>714415041
Gracias pal

Name a single situation where Jess is good. You can’t.
Also unpopular opinion but I think Colin isn’t as good as people make him out to be. Put him against someone with defense like aw2 sturm and he does no damage at all

>>714415037
>Convince me the Reboot that bombed is bad
Nah. Nah. I don't think I will...

*Yawn* franchise is dead either way so there's no point. You can play the remakeslop if you really want to. I'll just keep advising newer players to avoid it like the plague.

>>714415237
Any ground Vehicle heavy mid-late game. Which is really common.

>>714415237
My angry, sassy tomboy is good in Dual Strike...

Everyone likes Dual Strike right?

>>714415323
>no fucking argument
>”it bombed” out of fucking nowhere as if that was being argued
Typical 4chan subhuman behavior learn to talk like an actual person then come back here to discuss. This isn’t a fucking shitpost thread and its not like your shitposts are funny to begin with.

>>714415514
>ARGUE WITH ME
Already told you I wasn't interested. Me and many other players experienced crashes. So I can't in good conscience recommend the Demake.

Nothing stopping you though. So go have fun.

>>714415237
Colin is awesome because of how he snowballs with the lead and how cheap units can help him get put of early game quicker. Very potent combo.

Jess is fine in games where air/naval units only arise mid-late game.

>>714415453
In dual strike? Maybe. But dual strike gave max an extremely unfair nerf.
In aw2?
>the map has airports? Max is just straight up better than jess
>the map has only ground bases??? Max is still better lmao
Her only real advantage was being able to use indirects at increased firepower as well.
To be honest, if her infantry are nerfed all I would have done is give her the same d2d firepower bonus as max and just have max get a bigger firepower bonus when using his co powers but the movement nerf on max was completely unfair.

>>714415617
>still no argument
>provokes only to backpedal
I accept your concession faggot

>>714415881
>She literally had to pretend there was an argument to feel like she won

That's honestly super sad. You're really pathetic.

That said, I don't get why you care so much. The series is dead and buried. If you want someone to play Reboot Camp with you why not just ask instead of this whole song and dance where you act like a big tsundere faggot?

>>714415796
Why would Max need buffed CO powers? He already gets buffed air units. And naval units

>>714415237
Map with slow airports and plenty of defensive terrain to contest Jake on.

>>714408091
I was a bit disappointed with how little the second one added. But the game is a lot of fun.

>>714416504
Defensive terrain doesn't matter for Jess I think. She'd actually prefer more open maps where she can trade tank for tank, using her flexible COP and SCOP to gain an advantage.

I can still remember each land and air unit clearly but I start forgetting the naval units after sub, lander, and battleship

>>714416314
>she
>had to pretend
You were asked to clarify on a claim then got defensive when you couldn’t back it up. The best part is that there was never any intent to disagree with you either as it is factually true that wayfoward never updated the game and it had bugs.
Considering you started using pronouns calling someone else pathetic when your ego is so fragile you blow up like this when on the losing side of the argument is truly ironic.
I actually googled it for you as well, the crashes mainly happen on 4 player maps when using the co power and mainly when having speed up consistently held and mostly on emulators which explains why I never saw it beyond audio bugs because I played it on a real switch and always let go of the speed up during co power animations which is why I at worst got minor bugs.
I still stand by that its a good remake, it has bugs sure but not unfixable ones and thats on nintendo actually wanting to fund those patches which they wont.

>>714416321
In dual strike he loses the movement buff his co power used to give for more power. This effectively makes him a bottom tier co and only good during tag battles where he goes second during the tag power.
Its obvious that they did this because jess was completely fucking redundant next to him.

>>714417071
Zzzzzzzz
No one cares about the slopmake
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

>>714415617
>I hear this game crashes a lot.
>”What causes the crash?”
>Idk lol.
Ok.

>>714417009
How could you forget Black Boat. It's a wonderful Navel unit that that costs 2.5k more than other transports but can transport 2 units at a time, repair units, and has 7 move. Not commonly built but still really good.

>>714417227
Nigga go back to your fucking discord

>>714407551
they give you the most bang for your buck, unless you're a gritchad in which case they're a detriment because they get nuked before they can do anything
>>714408091
>wargroove
only played the originals and it was fine. biggest two gripes i had with the game were how every unit played the same regardless of faction/CO and the vampire girl dying towards the end, i liked her.

>>714413841
what this?

>>714417476
Maybe I should play this "Dual Strike" finally..

>>714417224
I know about he nerf in Dual Strike but I meant Max didn't need buffs or debuffs. He has stronger Air units that also gets movement boosts. Which makes him different enough from buffed Jess.

>>714407350 (OP)
Against the AI and in certain situations maybe
infantry is the ultimate uncontested king of this game

>>714417673
Cute

>>714417673
>in the style of reboot instead of Hirata
Yuck

>>714417668
I don’t think jess was buffed in damage on dual strike, max just became a considerably weaker option in war rooms and campagin because he lost the movement buff while jess essentially replaced him as the standard tank go BRRRR pick

i recommend Lost Frontier on steam for anyone that wants a game the feels like advance wars.

>>714417673
>>714417816

>it's another eagle mirror staredown move planner stall match where nothing happens for 8 turns spanning over 2 months because our CO meters are almost full
>opponent is too dumb to understand that no matter what he decides to do he will lose and doesn't resign

I hate advance wars by web so fucking much it's insane

>>714416950
Defensive terrain gives her an edge over Jake since plains won't be as numerous and if he wants to use it he has to cede his firepower bonus.

>>714410232
>ruined best tomboy's design
i haven't played it but it's shit just for that

>>714418146
Is there some equivalent to blitz chess for AW

>>714418146
>opponent is too dumb to understand that no matter what he decides to do he will lose and doesn't resign
That's what day/capture limit are for.

>>714418146
Play live league.
Standard matches are not true tests of skill

>>714418136
Can't believe western nintendo got rid of her glasses for almost 3 games straight until the remake (I know Dual strike did have them back but only as an alt outfit)

>>714418242
But defensive terrain also means stall and artillary are stronger. And Jake has better powers for all around. And really giving up fire-power for defense isn't a real trade. The reality is that you use firepower to clear units off defensive terrain and occupy if yourself. In other words it's a one leads into the other situation rather than a one or the other situation.

>>714418479
My favorite part about sonja is how she challenged orange star three times to test them then got mogged by sturm at the end. What was the point?

>>714415237
>Colin isn’t as good as people make him out to be.
CAPITALISM HO!!

>>714418572
This is literally never a good scop to use

>>714418258

>>714418146
>von bolt mirror
>eagle mirror
>olaf mirror
>kindle mirror
>>714418312
play live league, it's awesome

>>714418559
>What was the point?
if I was fighting an alien who can summon meteors from space I'd probably get washed too. Hey someone's gotta be the jobber

>>714411929
>hard bomber counters
and then the bomber uses it's 7 movement to kill your missile, fly to another part of the map to kill your units there or attack units that are just outside of your shitty 3-5 range.

bombers counter missiles if anything

>>714418631
False. This Scop is what allows Colin to murder Hachi when funds per property are doubled.

>>714418479

>>714418559
and in the original advance wars. Sonja is just crazy. her reasons and how she forces the orange star COs in battle would make Lash proud

>Favourite CO
>Favourite nation/faction
For me I'd say Grit and green earth

>>714411929
>Missiles are hard Bomber counters
Missiles zone bombers, they don't counter them.

>nooo you can't use in-game units!!
who was in the wrong here?

>>714407350 (OP)
how many of you niggas are on advance wars by web and want to play a large team/ffa map?

>>714419101
Black Hole, Sturm

>>714419016

>>714419305
I'm game

>>714419367
>Black Hole, Sturm
won't you come
and wash away the rain

>>714419259
Orange Star obviously. He didn't ban the Black Bomb. He can't complain. But I will say Black Bomb is a game-breaking unit.

>>714407350 (OP)
I look like this
andy do this >>714407551

>>714419101
Hmm
Sturm
Orange star

>>714419016
The Kat & Colin combo seems pretty strong.

>>714419741
My FUARKING hero!

Thoughts on this slop?
https://store.steampowered.com/app/2221530/Vangaro_Tactics/

>>714419450

>>714419741
not so sure about that

>>714419992
Doofenshmirtz looking nigga

>>714420019

>>714408091
>wargroove

>>714420114

>>714420141
that wargroove sequel was so bad

>>714420297
One more lash. Damn I wish AW girls got more art

>>714419992
>this is your CO

>>714420402
>Ace Attorney character
How did I not notice?! Now I need a AW and AA collab.

>>714419367
>Black Hole
i liked this guy's levels vs grit and sonja

>>714419101
>Favorite CO
Grit
>>Favorite nation/faction
Blue Moon
Ruskie tank crew helmets look comfy :)

>>714420297
>that wargroove sequel was so bad
why ? i only played the original and the sequel seemed to be more of the same shit so i didn't bother. did they at least make every CO or faction unique gameplay wise ?

>>714420486
He consumes adderall

>>714420379
i wish the AW girls got more art.
Also. A lot of the new fanart of it never got uploaded to any booru

>>714418952
Hmm I did forget about the movespeed, I guess Jets would be a better choice. Kinda silly now that I think about it that missiles range is outclassed by every air unit

>>714420752
True.

>>714420752
That's because very few people use safebooru because most people use boorus for a quick coom.
If it wasn't from booru.org, I'd probably upload some stuff there.
>>714420886
Cattleia mogs her.

>>714420886
>>714420974

>>714420974

Canonical nation power levels as of AWDS:

>God tier
Yellow Comet
Black Hole (carried alone by AW2 Sturm)
Orange Star (Hachi)

>Great Tier
Blue Moon (Colin)
Orange Star (AW1/2 max, Nell)

>Jobber tier
Blackhole (without Sturm)
Green Earth (lmao)

>>714420845
Technically so are rockets with ground units. For In-directs the threat of a retaliation is stronger than actually attacking.

>>714421107
Hawke and Von Bolt are power wise. Definitely enough to leave jobber tier.

>>714407350 (OP)
I thought the most overpowered unit was the suicide bomber from Dual Strike. It single handily ruins artillery/infantry spam.

>>714421071
>>714421074
She's the only good thing that ever came from that horrific lab corp.
>>714421107
>jobber tier
I didn't know Vegeta was a Green Earth CO.

>>714421107
>Yellow Comet
They fear the (not) samurai

>>714419101
Colin/grit
Green earth
but my favorite co look was obv pic related

>>714421109
Right, but rockets and artillery get the benefit of terrain impedance. IGWYM tho.

>>714421074
>>714421071

>>714419101
Hawke, green earth.

>>714419101
Lash
black hole or blue moon

>>714421107
>Canonical
I'm expecting a full explanation with lore bits and proofs otherwise you're lying stupid and ugly

>>714407350 (OP)
okay /v/atos, come join my AWBW game. no troons allowed

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>>714422979
Kanbei, Sturm, Sensei and Hachi no diff clear Wars World/the AWverse

>>714421107
>as of AWDS
Jesus. I just realized the last time we got a new adventure in Wars World was 20 fucking years ago.

>>714423225
>Dual strike was in 2005
>IS changed up the setting up for DoR
>Never came back to AW1-DS

>>714423225
and the wait will only grow longer

>An Advance Wars thread got this big
is /v/ healing?

>>714419470
game created

https://awbw.amarriner.com/gameswait.php?games_id=1463567

looking for 6 more people to join. might accept troons if you pass

>>714412010
t. Stalin

Why did this game die a miserable death? I loved it as a kid but it seems like it just died.

>>714424095
not enough waifufaggotry for the jap market

>>714409735
Medium tanks are for breakthroughs and bullying regular tanks.
Neotanks are for teching up against opposing medium tanks.
Megatanks are a panic button that you press if the other guy is threatening to take one of your bases.

>>714414902
>artillery
Artillery does jack shit against a megatank on a base, you need bombers or multiple large tanks to dislodge them.

>>714424095
it was never too popular in japan and DS games didn't sell great either

>>714420974
>>714421071
>>714421462
>not Tabitha

>>714424628

>>714424506
>it was never too popular in japan
Probably because they had stupid shit like Santa Claus at war with a Cowboy. The localization changes were so much for the better it is insane.

>>714424506

Because they made the DS games some grimdark bullshit instead of whimsical war which is what I loved.

>>714424330

They need to bring the series back and put more waifus in the game. Sami and Nell were great but we can do better. Also it didn't help that the Switch port got delayed and they never bothered advertising the game or fixing the online

>>714424095
Nintendo made some very stupid decisions with it, but also to be fair the series is fucking cursed.

>64 Wars cancelled, and has not even appeared in the Nintendo Gigaleak
>AW1 releases the day before 9/11, damaging potential sales and interest in a war game
>Wars series was originally a JP exclusive but AW1 didn't get released in Japan until November 25, 2004 (as part of Game Boy Wars Advance 1+2)
>Days of Ruin didn't even get released in Japan until 5 fucking years after it came out, and only as a Club Nintendo Platinum reward
>series was dead forever because IntSys retards couldn't figure out what they wanted to do with it without making it a waifu simulator like newer Fire Emblem titles
>war in Ukraine causes delays for Reboot Camp

The only things keeping AW alive are AWBW and ROM hackers.

>>714425615
>before 9/11
>Ukraine war
Wouldnt this be a very good moment for crazy people to buy it? I mean i played it after Putin attacked Ukraine. I tried to make a Ukraine map and fight not-russia.

>>714424973

Bro that sounds retarded. This is one of the few times where the localizers actually improved on the original.

I always saw Olaf as closer to Bill Belichick than Santa

>>714425615
>Days of Ruin didn't even get released in Japan until 5 fucking years after it came out, and only as a Club Nintendo Platinum reward
DoR was extra retarded because nintendo had the full Japanese version but just...never released it. Wars is a cursed Series

>>714426039

You would think that but too many people would see it as them profiting off war and it would be bad PR.

I agree with you though. Also it didn't help that they just shelved the games when they were delayed they didn't actually work on it or improve it or add features.

>>714426212
It was.
>Who should we make our early-game antagonist?
>I know! Jolly St. Nick!

>>714425615
>AW1 releases the day before 9/11, damaging potential sales and interest in a war game
Let's be real for a second. Kids don't care about that.
>see a game with tanks on the cover
>"WELL I DO LIKE WAR, BUT AW GEE THIS POLITICAL CLIMATE!"
Said no one ever

>>714426543
AW is even more based than I'd ever imagined

>>714426909
kids don't buy games, parents do and they damn sure care about political climates

>>714426543
>Alien tricks Russian Santa into starting World War III with the United states
Anons think this is...bad?

>>714423154
4 more spots left for the /v/ awbw 8 man game

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>>714426909
>>714427147

Yeah you get it. Most kids don't care but parents might have gotten offended.

>>714423779
love the faint blush
need this with mild exposure,

>>714427221
Thematic consistency is a big part of being pulled into a setting. I like him a lot better as a fat Russian oligarch.

>>714407350 (OP)
Mechs are the most overrated piece of shit in advance wars competitively

>>714427147
There's not a fucking picture of a plane flying into a building. I don't think parents were THAT cautious that they wouldn't buy Timmy a game with a tank. I don't think it had a big impact.

>>714421107
since this seems to be just taking co in-game power level into account, green earth needs to be way higher. javier is potential man, jess is just max+ in this game because he got nerfed and shes buffed, the speed you charge powers and the tag mechanic make drake extremely good even on maps without ships and the "take a 2nd turn for 3 stars" version of lightning drive is just the single most horseshit regular power in the game

kanbei and sturm are fucked up but they also have sonja and flak dragging them down and yeah green earth is a bit of a meme in aw2 because they're the last campaign so they made them mediocre to make it harder

>>714407350 (OP)
amogus

Why was Andy executed before the start of Dual Strike. Isn't he a war hero? Why would Orange Star do this?

Since most AW inspired games seem to change a bunch of shit I've been thinking about an AW inspired game that keeps the core mechanics, but has a different unit list.
Priest - just the infantry renamed
Scout - recon inspired, but can damage some units and has better movement through terrain
Soldier - tank inspired, 5 movement. Can move on mountains at heavy cost, but not rivers
Archer -AA inspired, also does heavy damage against unarmored units (Priest, wizard)
Knight - Wall Breaker, takes and receives heavy damage. 7 movement, can move over rivers at heavy cost, but not mountains
Wizard - Missile inspired, flat damage against non-flying units.
Earth Elemental - Md. Tank inspired.
Wagon - APC inspired, can move fat over open ground and carry most ground units

Hawk knight - B.Copter inspired, 6 MV, takes little damage from ground units
Air Elemental, Fighter inspired, 7mv
War Balloon, - Bomber inspired 5 movement

Harpoon ship - anti-air boat and counters Water elementals
Water Elemental - anti-water sea unit
Gunboat - Battle-ship inspired.
Ferry - transport ship. Can unload onto any land tile

Any obvious issues I'm overlooking?

>>714419992
Jesus christ, can they even TRY to be fucking original? This is straight up just bordering on plagiarism. What the fuck is this shit?

How do we save naval combat?
It always seemed like a fun idea, but is just so unbelievably underpowered

>>714428802
Not exactly what you listed but there's a hack of AW2 that adds new units taken from Fire Emblem

https://www.warsworldnews.com/wp/hacks/fire-emblem-wars-aw2-by-kartal/

>>714428876
indie games have tried to make another AW so often but always fall flat

>>714429138
I've played that one, but I never finished the war room because it shares a problem with War Groove 2. This might just be because I don't play FE, but I found a lot of the unit interactions unintuitive, especially in the higher tier units.

>>714428802
I should also mention that the list is a little bare-bones on purpose because I want to do CO Units. E.g. a storm/rain themed CO who has a Wizard that. Hits both ground and air.

>>714428876
>original
Wargroove did that, We don't talk about it

>>714429071
more naval terrain and cheaper units

>Reboot camp was the last chance for Advance Wars to get revived
>It flopped, meaning Nintendo will kill the series for good
If only Russia had waited a couple months to start the war, or if Reboot Camp had released on time. The war really didn't help matters

>>714429071
>cruisers actually function as anti-air, give them +1 movement, make them take half the damage they currently do when hit by air units, cost reduced to 14-15k
>subs go from 60->80 fuel, cost goes down to 17-18k
>battleships go down to 24k but their damage vs land units reduced by about 5% to all tank-tier units
>carriers cost reduced to 26k
also
>awbw reverts the retarded nerf to drake which makes him near unplayable

>>714428876
indies are overrun with guys just trying to recreate and "improve" old games they liked. They're usually worse and look disgusting not very rarely it happens

>>714419101
sensei
comet

>>714418679
>>714418258
I'm still mad

>>714428802
>>714429517
So you just wanna make Wargroove but hopefully good?

>>714429071
An often named improvement is properties on water. Makes it so there's something to contest on the water so you're using naval units that that reason alone.
The recent AW-like that came out had something like rubber boats acting as sea-infantry that could capture the oil rigs that were now around.

>AW is dead
>Still gets clone games under the sun
>FE is thriving
>Never gets any true ripoffs outside of Kaga's own games and maybe dark deity
Make it make sense

>>714429869
Kind of. I'm more trying to do a more faithful AW clone, but moving to Fantasy to give at least SOME differentiation.

>>714429071
Add naval infantry/frogmen.

>>714430006
people interested in srpgs just ripoff FFT instead

>>714429071
I haven't played DoR yet but does the fact the Battleships can move and attack on the same turn fix them?

>>714429071
to start
start with making them cheaper
give them better anti air

>>714407551
Their damage to cost is pretty good. You do have to use transports to offset their poor movement if used offensively.

>>714407824
>Spam mechs
>You lose tons pf money since they can’t capture cities as fast and they cost x3 as much
>Your cannon fodder walls are also worse because it’s more costly to reinforce and they are slower are reinforcing
>Airc Anti-air, and Infantry fuck them over, and Tanks that attack first deal enough damage that they aren’t taking much back
>They can’t even cross artillery without being ass blasted
>They also cost 3 times to repair compared to Infantry
Mechs are arguably the worst unit in AW. You could argue Missiles are better since they can punish Bomber spam.

>>714430584
90% of the time when I see people building mechs I'm happy because it's a free win
Not that they don't have uses, if utilized properly mechs are fine, but almost everybody builds them at the wrong time and they plod along only to get first struck by an infantry or anti air or bcopter

kys my niqqa yea u no who da fq im talkin 2

>>714408091
not playing this tranny game thanks but no thanks child molester

>>714431041
kys tranny.

>>714430684
I agree. Mech spam is dumb. Dont forget when you can produce helicopters. They snuff mechs!

>>714431270
Generally copters don't fight mechs because mechs are backline units, which are usually covered by Ant-air. Using Copters to beat mechs leads to anti-air spam which is a hard counter.

>>714431063
nice

>>714428802
>Any obvious issues I'm overlooking?
How about the part where it's good?

You can talk big about not wanting mechs but there's nothing worse than seeing a huge onslaught of vehicles that your infantry can do fuck all to.

>>714407350 (OP)
First game was so good, too bad they shit the bed on the second.

>>714431652
What's wrong with it?

>>714429071
Civ 6 and 7 finally got it right at the end. Don't know why it took decades.

>>714431678
>see four tanks coming toward me
>build a single medium tank
Your move, cheeki breeki.

>>714431537
Depends on the situation. Often in mountain ranges you can secure park your copter and mechs can shoot back.
And sometimes you can attack footsoldiers while they block anti-air to attack you. Especially cities when you want to deny your enemy gold earning a little bit longer.

>>714429071
>Planes made battleships obsolete
Accurate to real life

>>714429071
Nothing needs to be fixed except cruisers.
The actually problem is that the average player is midwit tier and can’t handle a naval map. 99% of maps in awbw are base/airport maps. The problem is autistic players not the actual units

Reboot camp plays a lot better with the Switch 2, all the slowdown/FPS/loading is no longer an issue.
I recommend people play it now, feels like it got a switch 2 upgrade for free.

>>714432046
Mechs are MARGINALLY stronger when attacking infantry and copters.
>Infantry
Deals 7 damage to copters, 55 vs infantry, and 45 vs Mechs
>Mechs
Deal 9 to copters, 65 vs infantry, 55 vs other mechs.
Keep in mind luck will also add 0-9 to each of these rolls. But given that mechs almost always get first struck, their value goes way down unless you run a mech chain or can actually keep a front line in front of them. Considering all their flaws they're really situational if not bad in most cases. Obviously it depends on the map and CO, but unless you're playing Sami, Sensei, or Lash (and even this is very map dependent), you're better off avoiding them as much as possible.

>>714430087
I actually think psuedo-modern/sci-fi settings would still be more interesting than fantasy. If you're going fantasy and sticking with the defined gameplay I think a big focus should be the things surrounding the units.
Having good units but they're fighting in wood country, ice country and lava country and they're throwing just magic missiles would be really stale.
Though even Warside mostly did this too with its land choices, so it's not like that problem is particular to fantasy.

I'm not the biggest fan of DoR's artstyle but that it was set it in an apocalyptic setting was cool, made them be able to do that plasma between meteor shit for example.
The planet sucking crystals and giant oozium in DS, though campaign stuff, were also cool.
Let the genre choice inform some cool shit to see.

>>714415237
Colin just tends to snowball and penalize ANY mistake that any opponent makes. He will outproduce anyone, leave early game quicker, leave mid game even faster than that, and assuming his enemy isn't on the ropes and consolidating, Colin will just wall-break with his CO power (and you're triple fucked if he's got his Super CO power).

Once Colin gets rolling along comfortably, he never stops unless the player who has him as a CO makes an absolutely monstrous mistake like wasting his CO power.

The only CO who can *reliably* and *consistently* challenge Colin is Strum, Drake, Hachi, and Jess

Why aren't the advance wars COs cute furries?

>>714425615
all of those real life context never mattered for, say, cod, or whatever, why did it matter for aw?

>>714432913
>Jess
>Challenging Colin
lol, fucking lmao
How the hell is she going to challenge him? Her infantry are arguably the only infantry in the game incapable of challenging Colin's on base caps - yes, it's 90% vs 80%, but both are bad and can't break cities. But Colin is GOING to get the first tank in every game, as well as having an unending tank chain. Jess is completely unable to break Colin's midgame infantry walls while he builds up vehicles and copters behind it, so until Jess starts teching up to wall break she gets wrecked, and by the time Jess is teching Colin will be spamming COs and matching Jess's mediums with his own Neos, 1 for 1.
>Drake
Might arguably be worse if we're considering AW2 Drake's 70% air attack. Though he can actually use his infantry, Colin can completely ignore building pre-emptive anti-airs and instead just flood nonstop tanks.

>>714428876
>indieshitters
>original
heh

>>714432613
Yeah, I think if I get close to releasing this I'll need a really good artist to work with. Something like having different sprites for each God (co) and different gimmicks/map design choices for each God.
Having 3 or so maps where you fight the God of storms that heavily rely on water based tiles can do a lot to carry the campaign. Or a map with the god of Chaos that teleports shit around.

>>714411423
Yeah, pretty much
Largely their only application is locking an airport, which itself is usually dependent on there being some exacerbating factor preventing you from just driving a tank onto it. They suck at warding off air units, and are useless at countering an air push.
Piperunners are another good candidate, but a really weird one. If the map is set up for them, they're super good. If the map isn't, they block your own base and are expensive for what they do.
Cruisers are pretty bad until DS. They struggle at the matchups they're supposed to take, get crushed in the ones they're supposed to lose, and arguably are the most responsible factor for navy as a whole being trash (navy being overpriced is probably the bigger factor, imo). Subs, by extension, kinda suck, because their only real purpose is fighting battleships and carriers, something battleships also do, while also being a battleship. Buying subs is almost always a concession that you're giving up winning the navy fight, and are now in damage control mode.
Megatanks are way better than any of these, but are also real shaky. They pretty much only excel at hard base defense, and not dying in a single turn, almost no matter what. That's real niche, they'll never pay themselves off, but sometimes that's what you need.

>>714434340
Megatanks do actually see moderate use in high funds, whereas the rest are almost all still shit. Cruisers only if it's a naval HF map and there will be a lot of submarine play.

>>714410232
>AI the same as original
Except when the AI holds onto their powers instead of using them immediately which fucks up old strategies.

>>714407350 (OP)
>100+ post Advance Wars thread
Holy based

>Sasha isn't in the remake so no new Sasha art
Sad

>>714408091
I fucking HATE this "indie animation" garbage so much bros. There is no singular animation style that manages to look more like dogshit than this.

>>714435537
Dual strike reboot camp lol

>>714429071
too expensive, ship units are in a heavy rps where one of them is the even more expensive battleship that's also an indirect so it stagnates super hard, bombers are cheaper and yet do like 90% on a first strike against the dedicated anti air ship that has worse movement and costs more

dor does a lot to fix all of these but AWBW isn't going to add gunboats or battleships that can move and shoot so its fucked

>>714428561

>>714435634
It probably wouldn't even be that hard for them to make a reboot camp for dual strike but it really seems like they've moved on from it. I've been playing Reboot Camp recently and was surprised to see Version 1.0.0 on the menu. They never updated this game a single time

I can understand removing olafs santa hat and making grit less blatantly a cowboy, but why change "asuka" to "sonja". it can't even be trying to make it easier for dumb american kids to pronounce like the pokemon dub because I feel like kanbei, hachi and sensei are even more nipponese

>>714430006
>dark deity
I've seen zero mention of its sequel anywhere.

>>714435853
they also kind of fucked up the black hole naming scheme. instead of kong/kat/snake/hawk we have flak/lash/adder/hawke - so they kind of kept the animal codenames but only for half of them and they made it less blatant

>>714435782
Well that's just WF in general, they don't update much..well I suppose since it was basically a contract job they took their pay and left

Finally, the game is up

https://awbw.amarriner.com/gameswait.php?games_id=1463567

>>714435634
As much as I would like this
Dual strike remake would really only offer the campaign and new cos on vs mode.
The war room maps on DS feel completely babby modded.
I mean what the fuck is this? And this is just the first map

>>714436619
>we want recons to be usable please for the love of god buy a recon they're finally good trust us

Tabitha in the thread!

>>714407350 (OP)
So glad my parents bought me this game as a kid. I had so much fun. Never beat it ,kuz i sucked. But damn it was fun.

>>714436831
Recons are good.

>>714435782
>>714436021
they made the game and it got shelved for a long time. the game has problems that would need a patch but contract was probably over and WF didn't care much

>>714436847

>>714436847
>>714437016

>>714436872
They're solidly "okay, but most of the time you shouldn't be buying them".
If you know the exact reason why you should be using them, and more specifically the maps and exact base position to buy them from, they can be good. If you buy a recon only because you want to spend your 4k this turn instead of saving up for a tank, you're a fool. Very similar to mechs, you're delaying getting your actual good units, and while you might be able to delay a capture for a turn or two, the tempo loss WILL catch up to you.
Obviously they're top tier in fog though.

how would you fix awbw?

I always wanted to make a game where is was medium sized unit tactics. Like moving your tanks here, or your platoon there, or call in a helicopter assualt etc. So like you upgrade or change your squads equipment like are a anti-tank role or are they anti-air. But I couldnt see that possible in a 2d format in terms of pixel art because the scales dont really make sense to me in Advanced Wars, like how does a infantry unit with 5 troops takes a city? also what are these factories where they come from lol? At least its explained in Days of Ruin.
So if its 3rd I guess you can make it turn based like XCOM, where your units have limited range to move and then dismount and do whatever, like entrench or mine roads etc. But it doesnt have that nice 2D pixel look like Advanced Wars.
I liked Battalion Wars a lot, but again that was just too cartoony for what I would want, even though Battalion Wars is good. I wouldnt mind even a stylized version of Steel Beasts, I think it would be cool. I just really wanted a game where you are like in a tank commander (or you dont have to be) but you can tell a squad to flank from the left or right and slowly press your assualt but having it be also a hardcore one death instant death realism feel (in terms of game play) ie, you peak over a hill like a retard and your tank gets blasted because you profiled yourself like a retard. I also like the idea of a 2D Isometric Advance Wars type game too. I am pretty good at pixel art so I should be able to make interesting designs.
Is the best way to to figure out if a game idea would work or not is to draw it out or do you need to go further and make a demo?

>>714437214
AWDS Drake, Jess, and Cruisers

>>714437214
In all honesty? I probably wouldn't change much. As soon as they start making custom changes that deviate from cartridge, no matter how minor, they open the gates to nonstop demands for "fix X unit because waaah". I think they could more selectively choose from different versions of COs, like returning Drake back to AW2, but it is what it is.
Their tier system for matches is done very well. It's better than a lot of games where everything is in a single environment so you have no reason to not metaslave. You need to learn each tier's matchups and very few COs are truly worthless, it depends on maps. Sure there's some tier imbalance but mapmakers can address that themselves, like Adder being banned on some maps for T4.

>>714436619
Let me guess, you need more?

>>714437151
I can't remember don't recon have +1 move on tanks? Early game on big maps they're great for slowing captures and denying funds. I'll gladly trade 4k for that

>>714437214
awbw is fine. i just want to play as DS versions of COs and AW2 sturm.

a DS mode would honestly be perfect with DS balance. just no Tag CO powers though cause that's retarded

>>714437151
>okay, but most of the time you shouldn't be buying them
Some of the time at best. But "most of the time" is a really big claim.
>and more specifically the maps and exact base position to buy them from
That's not really the question you ask. The real question is tempo. Base position isn't hard it's almost always the 2B or forward base. As for map, recon are good more often than they're not. So it comes down to can you get away with building a recon, the answer often being yes. Because you control where the tanks are going to go, where the conflict is going to be, and your opponent's income. They give you a lot of control.

>>714437853
+2 move but they use tires so they can have less true movement depending on terrain. But yeah denying funds and interrupting captures is really strong.

>>714437853
Nm, +2 albeit tire. If you get some long runways I'm definitely harassing early game with Recon, they're like AA Jr.

>>714429671
Reboot camp looked like shit, there was no saving it.

>>714437406
>like how does a infantry unit with 5 troops takes a city?
Don't think about this stuff too much, I saw a pic recently that debunked just this type of reasoning for HoMM (I think it was).
It doesn't matter that the treasure chest is as big as the mountain on the map, just that it looks good and is fun.
Suspension of disbelief will do all your heavy lifting if things are not completely stupid, at least when it comes to people generally.

>Is the best way to to figure out if a game idea would work or not is to draw it out or do you need to go further and make a demo?
It's a video game. the best way is to be able to play it out and have people try it, and actually change it if something feels like it sucks major balls or causes some legitimate problem.
Thinking and planning is good, but a solid idea that plays bad shouldn't stay just because it sounds fine.

>>714436847
Oddly, the tank in the pic is actually a DS megatank.

Battalion Wars

>>714433542
It wouldn't. It's just a cope.

>>714439009
Underrated games.

>>714439009
I remember playing the first one back then and liking it. Never did the wii sequel though

>>714433430
Become the change you want to see. Rev up those game engines.

>>714440628

>>714407350 (OP)
literally nobody uses mechs in comp. way too slow and expensive

Should I play the original advance wars on GBA and DS? Or is the remake preferable?

>>714413841
are they gonna fight balloons

>>714440628
Shit my myopia is getting worse.

>>714417617
Huh no one answered.
It's a custom faction for Advance Wars By Web. A website where you can play advance PVP. Like Pokemon Showdown but with a chess by mail kind of format. Allowing games to last days, weeks, months, or an hour depending on how fast each player does their turn.
>https://awbw.amarriner.com/

>>714441683
remake is shit, the only positive is that the AI is now fair in fog, in exchange for that everything now looks like ass

>>714429071
Literally just slash the price of all the boats (except the blackboat) by 50%

>>714441683
Whichever is easier. That would probably be the originals, but I'd you have a hacked switch and really want to play them portably you could grab the reboot camp.

Bratty war criminal goth gf

Favorite CO theme? https://youtu.be/c8rcS58xbkM

>>714443114
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJzp-w8Zuak

>>714410402
you'll never be a woman, faggot.

>>714443789
Reminds me they never released Reboot camp in Japan. I know the fanbase there isn't big but damn.

COs with movement bonus powers are the most fun.
Change my mind (you can't)

>>714442601
i bet she wouldn't be so smug if she got raped

>>714444764
Yes (except Koal who is just shit)

>>714445330
I hear the Chinese AWBW community really like Koal.

>>714444648
wasn't ever planned even

>>714445527
Wild that there are non insignificant AW communities in countries where AW didnt even release

I'd like to play AWBW with /v/ some other time. :(

which CO would you like to see buffed?

>>714445645
AW did release in China. I remember they removes Kanbei's samurai aesthetic so he looks weird.

Sex with Lash

>>714445698
Hopefully we can get a game set up quickly next time, this one took too long and now people are going to be asynchronous.
A-sync is fine but maybe have the time be 3d+1d increment, with 48hr max turn time.

>>714445910

>>714445712
Koal. He should get boost on all 0-star terrain. That's it, Maybe cheapen Lash's COP but that's it.

>>714445919
Why is there a 1300+ plus ELO player? Was this a public game?

>>714446021
>koal doesn't get his bonus on bridges
>despite the fact that they are literally just roads, you can't even pass naval units under them
He has it rough.

>>714446129
There's also two 1200+ ELOs. Not everyone in /v/ is new.
But yes I think it was public when it was made.

>>714445712
Probably Lash. her powers are weak and terrain stars are only really useful on land.

>>714439009
What a strange origin this series has. It started out as a completely unrelated game from a western dev studio, before acquiring the Wars license mid-development.

>>714419101


I wanted Sam to do unspeakable things to me as a child.

>>714445910

>>714446554
>we finally get a sequel as Kanbei finds them like this

>>714443114
AYAYAYAYAYAYAYA
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lV-ULQEsdcg

>>714414229
kek, underrated

>>714420402
I will now buy your game

>>714446358
Kind of par for the course with Nintendo Franchises.

>>714446358
To add to the other anon, Super Mario Bros 2 is a reskinned version of an unrelated Nintendo game called... you know

>>714447495
DONKEY DONKEY PICNIC

>>714408091
Wargroove team sucks so bad but some fans made some fun campaigns.

>>714437521
>Sasha wielding a Shashka
Nice touch.

>>714413841
These guys versus Specter.

>>714443114
Hardest theme in the series
https://youtube.com/watch?v=KdsPxC5g5Uw

>>714449232
I haven't played Ape Escape but I can't imagine modern military weaponry comes up in those games.

>>714445802
you mean Quan Bai?

>>714449729
It never gets better no matter how many times I see it.

>>714426039
>>714433542
It's the difference between a game aimed at "all audiences" aka kids and a game aimed at "mature audiences" aka teenagers. Parents won't buy a war game for their kids during a war because they don't want their kids to think about the war. Teenagers will buy a war game during a war because they are retards that are drinking up the propaganda.

>>714430172
>>714429879
This was an aspect of Wargroove that was REALLY good.

>>714449916
It's also really bad for conversation.
>Oh your kid is also into video games? Cool, my kids are too! I got them Mario Party and Sportballs 2001! What about you?
>Oh uhhh...I got them this game called Advance Wars. It's where you take control of armies and send them to their deaths.

>>714449729
Mr. Bean lookin' ass.

>>714419992
Yuck, might as well play tiny metal.

>>714450165
It's only bad for conversation with faggy millennial parents. Kids used to play war all the time.

>>714450641
Yes, but the point is that post 9/11, when a lot of parents were...not as much of pearl-clutching housewives like some people claim, they still wouldn't buy a NINTENDO game like this for their kids. It's not popular enough like CoD or GTA where you can handwave talking about it in public because everybody has it and plays it.
I don't think 9/11 absolutely doomed Advance Wars, in fact in the grand scheme of things I doubt it affected sales too much. A quick search shows that the original AW sold about 700k copies, but maybe it could have done 800-900k? 1mil if lucky? We'll never know. It might've stopped any potential momentum the series had to grow. Or it could have been a nothing burger.

>>714443114
For the GBA games it would be Sturm
https://youtu.be/en-7nzSphdk?si=yGjDrY4fagsi6OdA

But Ed's theme from Dark Conflict is probably my favourite, although all of the Dark Conflict themes go unreasonably hard
https://youtu.be/3ALLd-hKkAM?si=NnWNwKqP7H2j977y

I'd kill for uncompressed music from DoR but I suppose this is the best we'll get.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WbMDthff1zc

>>714443114
>unplayable CO
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ahLMpX2Z72Q

>>714451789
>
He dies before CO units are a thing so he doesn't even have any powers I think.

>>714449729
he looks like a fucking ape in a yellow overcoat
curious george lookin ass

The series should have continued going down the dark and edgy route.

>>714451789
>AAAYYEEEEEEEE!!!! A literaly non-graduate CO academy student killed all my units. TASUKETE, CAULDER-SAMA!

>>714452173
You say that but the Maypr was The Beast's bitch until Brenner came along

>>714452170
This. Something about Days of Ruin manages to set itself apart from the typical edgy military game. Probably just because it's a AW spinoff eh?
Ever since I first played DoR I had imagined a dream game where it would crossover with Ace Combat.

>>714409785
>fuck up every land unit except giants
wtf if there's one thing that a spear should specialize against it's big units i.e. cavalry and giants

>>714452173
just showing the difference between professional soldiers and a disorganized band, it's cool

>>714429071
I think sea tiles need to be reworked.

>oil rig
Gives 2x the cash of a normal property.

>coast
Any water (except shoals/rivers) that touches land (not counting ports) is now coast. Increased movement cost for naval units, no defence

>sea
Any water that does not touch land is sea. Increased movement cost for air units, 1 defence for naval units.

>rivers
Black boats can now navigate rivers up until they hit a bridge

>>714437406
AW is baby's first game, but this isn't a bad thing, it's a great introduction and it's very fun in its own right, check out Dai Senryaku for a game in the same genre, but far more complex and realistic.

I dropped advance wars 2 on the final boss
I don't like tedious game design

>>714445527
That's because Koal is chinese

>>714452903
Did you try the cheese strategy of git gud?

>>714454716

I want to be Lash's mobile chair. She can sit on my shoulders with my head facing her crotch, and I'll carry her around where she needs to go, even helping her reach places she can't reach during her experiments

>>714407350 (OP)
Mechs are very good in the maps they're good at, but are always sub-optimal on any vehicle-heavy map, which is the vast majority of them.

>>714451341
I agree with you, We Ed Prevail is a banger.

>>714455710
she'll play with you

>>714455996
She can shave me while she sits in front of me with me inside her

>>714456431

>>714437214
they made a new intro video for advance wars by web
https://youtu.be/MfsqodX0sdM

How secure is AWBW? Will it get taken down someday like Pokemon Crater?

>>714458315
It's been up for 20 years at this point with zero threats of takedown by nintendo. It's almost certainly not going anywhere any time soon.

>>714420379
I would enter her Black Hole, know what I'm saying?

>>714458548
>the series is so dead nintendo doesn't even C&D the mods
Damn

>>714437214
Optional rulesets for the other cartridge games, including AW1, DS and stock AW2. I'd kill to have the AW Returns ruleset on AWBW but that's a pipe dream.

>>714429071
1. Make everything but the battleship and maybe landers significantly cheaper. I dunno exactly how much, but halving the cost of most of the naval units would probably not even be overkill. The lander and battleship should get a much lesser cost reduction.
2. Battleships can fire after moving like in DoR. Battleships earn their price by being utterly dominant, but are dependent on the rest of the navy to protect them. Battleships, along with cities below, are your reward for naval superiority.
3. Naval cities. Call 'em oil rigs, or whatever the fuck you want. Cruisers and maybe Black Boats can capture them, or maybe a new unit dedicated to the task. Maybe they can capture Ports, too.
4. Cruisers hard counter air units properly, and have the default shot for other naval units from iirc DS. Between this and rigs, Cruisers now exist at a baseline, meaning the water is now dangerous to aircraft, and can pitch in to combat against other naval units.
5. Subs and Cruisers should have a mutually harsh matchup. Either one fucks the other if they get the first shot. Subs utterly wreck everything else, but are wholly locked to naval combat.
6. Carriers should be able to carry 2 choppers, or 1 plane. When buying a Carrier, there should be the option to buy it with a chopper already in it, full price.

>>714409735
Mediums are easily the best.
Neotanks are slightly better performance, for a notably more expensive price. They're not particularly efficient at dealing with either Mediums or other Neos, and are more for bullying weaker units and not taking chip. They're a luxury unit, for sure, they are absolutely better than a medium, but they're not MUCH better, and are probably not better than a Medium + a second unit.
Megatanks are generally a meme. They have a very narrow set of applications, that mostly boil down to "I really need a unit that WILL NOT die, for one turn". Pretty much the only times this is useful is for contesting bases, parking/building a Megatank at a base damn near guarantees it will still be there on your next turn, meaning either your base isn't being blocked, or their base was prevented from producing. It's not the most efficient way to do this, but is a nearly guaranteed one. Beyond this, it has atrocious value trades against anything, is slow as fuck, and doesn't "do" anything productive. It can deter mediums, so, another fringe use, but not mediums supported by anything. The pitiful ammo is also a legitimate issue for them.
Even COs that generate value on units kinda don't want them, because of the atrocious return on investment they provide. Neotanks are always better from the perspective of "Andy generates X amount of money per Power".
MAYBE if you're Colin or something, and have one billion dollars after spamming his power, you can get one, and just kinds fling it towards the enemy, and let it draw a fuckton of fire, as they stop it from doing whatever it is your plan was, even though your plan was nothing, because it can't do anything. I'd just get a Neotank and an Artillery though.

>>714435591
its just metal slug quit being a faggot

>>714421737
Jugger is so shit
But god, I fucking love Jugger. Pick Jugger, take Luck.
There is nothing I love more than throwing infantry into a Medium Tank and doing like 20%.

>>714426543
lmao fucking hell, Localisation really is a dogshit department. This would have been way better.

>>714462760
Neos are slightly better on offense because they can space better and match up slightly better vs copters, which often shut down Medium Tanks. Yeah, you're not building Neos for the purpose of attacking a copter, but if a copter is chipped down to 8 or 7 and your neo has no other targets, it's perfectly viable to hit it with a fresh Neo. Neos can also oneshot normal tanks on plains, as well as oneshot infantry on cities with 1 com tower + CO power.

That said yes, Mediums are typically better just because you can get Medium + Normal tank for the price of Neo + Inf. It really depends on map though, neos almost never see any use on maps below 18-20k income. Mediums absolutely love sitting in the middle of the map eating up stray units, while Neos force you to actively make use of them as soon as they're built or the money is wasted. Despite having less movement, I always feel more flexible with my medium tanks even if the allure of neos is there. In the end it's map dependent especially with terrain. If a mix of forest tiles slows down mediums multiple tiles over several turns relative to normal tanks, I might flood tanks until I can afford a neo, or just focus more on triangle units instead of teching.

Megas are like you said, a meme, but they actually trade incredibly well vs anything that's not a bomber...for the first hit. Even getting first struck by a Neo is gold-positive for the mega...but only if the mega is at full health beforehand. They get absolutely fucked by indirects, bombers, swarm attacks, even infantry draining its ammo. And since you just sunk 28k into that mega, you won't be able to afford any supporting units for it.

>>714429071
Price cut everything
Give battleships and carriers +1 range and anti air direct weapons so copters can't rape them (bombers still rape them). If a carrier doesn't move and deploys a plane, it can move and attack
Subs should do more damage, being the best option to take heavy ships down.
Landers can refuel like APCs and have more defense.
Cruisers have more defense and damage against air units, and can attack land units with their anti air guns.

>>714465674
>7 range battleships
you think you want this but you really don't

>>714410232
It was almost identical to a 20-year old GBA game you can play for free with minimal improvements and arguably some downgrades--it never should've happened. What we needed was a new AW with new COs, new units and a new campaign. Something substantial.

All you can really give Reboot Camp is that the character art and music was good.

>>714410232
>release collection of classic games
>leave out one of them
Why no dual strike? They did this shit with mario 3d all stars too when they left out galaxy 2

>>714464264
>they actually trade incredibly well vs anything that's not a bomber...for the first hit. Even getting first struck by a Neo is gold-positive for the mega...but only if the mega is at full health beforehand
Maybe I'm just shit at positioning, but I find this almost never actually works out. Because they're slow and a bit telegraphed, they're almost never really getting to take their preferred fights, even if that means getting shot by a Neo as an opening volley, and are almost always getting bombed, shot by artillery/rockets, getting their paint scraped by infantry luck, or having their ammo sponged by stray, crippled tanks and recon before they run into the Mediums & Neos. I've always found my best success with completely disregarding any damage they actually deal back, in favor of focusing on being an unkillable blob on terrain, and maybe a bit of them drawing fire from more important units at best. They're going to attack it in the most advantageous order they can, probably, so, count on that instead of hoping they don't.
Uh.
I've had someone ignore one though, probably thinking I was trying to distract with it too much.
It very much appreciated that. Whatever you do don't just ignore a megatank, it DOES need to lose a few HP before it's allowed to shoot something of yours that matters

>>714467818
Too lazy to make the two screens work with the switch

>>714458548
Unless the site creators suddenly get drunk and create a single player campaign in AWBW, I don't think they'll get ninja'd.

>>714468064
>Maybe I'm just shit at positioning, but I find this almost never actually works out
Nah, that's pretty much exactly what happens. For the price of a Mega, you can get FOUR tanks. Using those four tanks you can have an easy 4-5 turns of chasing the enemy infantry and enemy tanks and getting complete map control. By the time the megatank starts knocking on your base, you can just get an arty or two, and because the enemy no longer has any supporting infantry or tanks or ANYTHING due to the loss in tempo caused by spending 28k on a crawling hunk of metal, they won't be able to even reach your backline arty spam before you deal 4-5 damage to it. To say nothing of other options like bcopter spam, bombers, the works.
Really they're only good for extreme base defense situations, like on mixed based maps when you have 3 tanks and 8 infantry going to your weakside and you just need to delay the base flip for another 4-5 turns. Even still, if they lock your tank on the base and plink it with artilleries, it's gonna cost you another 5.6k in repair costs every turn while you can only do 1k back shooting an infantry, worse if it's blocked in by damaged infantry.

>>714429071
>add destroyers: antisubmarine vehicles, can detect submarines 2 squares away, +1 movement compared to cruisers, they carry AA weapons like cruisers too
>cruisers: replace depth charges with cruise missiles, 3-7 range, can still carry helis
>battleships: +1 range, move+shoot like in days of ruin
>add nuclear submarines: weaker torpedos, can launch rockets when emerged 2-3 range, same power as conventional rockets, 2 less movement than submarines, don't spend extra fuel underwater
>carriers, landers and regular submarines stay the same
>reduce all prices between 20% to 50%
>add asw helicopters to airports: same movement as regular helicopters, can detect submarines 2 squares away, drop depth charges
>add oil rigs: sea exclusive property that gives 2x daily income, can be captured with transport helis, landers or black boats with infantry inside, as there's no way to unload them the regular way
thoughts?

>>714437214
Big boob anthro females.

>>714409279
I'm powerofmoneypilled

>>714436619
>this is just the first map
first map is simple
how outrageous

is this a problem that needs fixing?

>>714446358
If i ever make an AW like game I'll need to add several war criminal hag COs and a couple of tomboys
>>714446389
Funnily enough i played AW when i was a kid so all of my memories of it are untainted. wish i could be like that again, things were simpler

>>714473060
No because there's almost never a scenario where you can do this in actual gameplay + there is counterplay to it.
That aside there is an easy fix, make air units pass any ground or naval unit.

>>714473157
>where you can do this in actual gameplay
you can absolutely rangeblock air units or just block all angle of attack placing cheap infantry around your artillery

>>714407824
But didn't they only have 2 movement range?

>>714409279
>check artist's twitter
>dead
Damn

>>714474545
Yeah, but that doesn't matter much when you have a wall of them slowly advancing. Any direct attack you make on them is probably going to fail to OHKO, and the guy you did hit will be shipped off to the nearest city to repair while your tank gets ganged up on by three other mechs for a massive value trade.

>>714407350 (OP)
If you're playing against the AI then the most overpowered units are transports since the AI prioritises them way too highly. I don't even think mech trades well against medium tanks lmao.

WHEN IS AWBW GOING TO ADD FUCKING AI TO PLAY AGAINST HOLY SHIT

I gotta play this shit more

>>714452806
>game with 30 units where about 20% of them are useful
>game with 200 units where ??% of them are
Figuring this roster out sounds like a chore. It's no wonder hardly anyone makes the jump.

>>714474894
Thats not the point of the site

>>714407350 (OP)
>>714407551
The conventional best trio are Tank, Anti Air and Battle Copter. Mechs are solid units that can often hit for more value than they cost but two movement makes them bad choices for a lot maps.

>>714452745
The Beast WAS a professional soldier, but went full raider mode.

>>714474076
>you can absolutely rangeblock air units or just block all angle of attack placing cheap infantry around your artillery
those are 4 units you would be using to counter 1, let alone subs which are expensive, you would never ever realistically do this in a match, unless you do it deliberately for the meme, and, consequently lose

>>714438332
Man I love this art style. I don't even know what you'd called it, deformed? Metal slug has the same thing going on.

>>714474076
>just block all angle of attack placing cheap infantry around your artillery
Doesn't work unless the map is small.Which case air units are too expensive anyway.

>>714420703
The sequel is soulless. The rogue-like mode was a cool concept but really lacked. The campaign was extremely boring. They did give more info and stats on units and attacks but overall the game just was bad.

>>714418146
I avoid Eagle mirrors by simply never playing Eagle ever.

>>714426543
It's Ded Moroz actually.

>>714418146
I'll take an eagle mirror over playing as Hawke vs Sasha.

>>714408091
Is Wargroove more like FFT/FE or AW?
As in you have a group of characters vs you deploy troops?
Is it story mode only?

More terrain interaction would be sweet. Something like construction infantry can turn plains into roads, build bridges, etc.

when in doubt build a tank

>>714489189
Should let mechs do that

>>714484348
Its cartoony faces and colors while also being very detailed.

>>714488932
It's unabashedly an AW clone that came out before rebootcamp, filling a demand for that no one else was. It made some tweaks to the formula and it has less units, COs, etc. It's been a while since I played it, but I'm pretty sure there was a multiplayer/exhibition mode in addition to the story mode.

>>714488932
Its an aw clone just with fantasy characters and tumblr nose

>>714489829
Cool...I keep forgetting about it even though I actually have a copy.

>>714407350 (OP)
I disagree, but I respect your opinion

>>714446717
DoR has a rockin OST

>>714489680
Yeah feels like a good balance with their slow speed

>>714452442
>Ace Combat.
I feel like it's very close to being a front mission game

>>714463205
You only say that because your entire world view crumbles if Japan ever didn't do something the best.

>>714467818
>>714468141
Because the point of the game was to sell to the people who have nostalgia for Advance Wars and people didn't like Dual Strike

>>714430684
Missiles are a meme pick, if a player is spamming Bombers then either they're already winning because they have an absurd amount of money or you'd be better off investing in a Fighter since all the Missiles do is say "the Bomber can't enter this one specific area of the map" but they can harass you somewhere else.
The worst units in AW are either Missiles, Carriers, or Piperunners. Cruisers also usually suck but don't know if they'd be more meta if online play had buffed them to DS levels.

Mechs are generally situational but can be extremely good if the player knows what they're doing, and you only want to have a few of them used in the right areas.

Dead genre, and franchise.
Days of ruin came out at the wrong time, awbw needs balance changes.

>>714412164
Of course, my wife is in it

reminder that FF tactics and fire emblem pale in comparison to the strategic thinking needed to succeed in advance wars and especially AWBW

>>714496824
to be fair those are basically rpg games with level up mechanics

>>714496824
you are comparing jrpg stat moviegame slop to actual turn-based gameplay. not the same

OK imagine advance wars but with magicians/sorcerers as infantry and demons as vehicles. There'd be a demon lord CO, succubus CO, angel of heaven CO and normal human salaryman CO

>>714496824
AWfags couldn't even beat the new FE game without bitching on gamefaqs

>>714497229
isn't that what wargroove is?

>>714497701
It is but it looks bad so I will create another one with better design and a more appealing setting. Give me 5 years

>>714498140
that would be cool actually, godspeed

>>714496435

>>714496824
Someone post the screencap of the Advance Wars fan who couldn't beat Engage on Normal.

>>714500889
tbf,normal Engage was a bit much for Fire Emblem fans as well.

>advance wars thread headed to bump limit on july 4th
Kino

>>714501713
True kino would be 9/11

>>714501876
See you in about two months then.

>>714409005
Ok but you can mass deploy them for like nothing, and having a movement cost of 1 through all ground terrain is insane

They really are OP in the first three games (but they’re more balanced in DoR I think)

>>714501713
day's not over yet

>>714502972
Depends on the number of bases on the map. A lot of compaign maps have 4-6 bases so buying spamming mechs is better. Granted you'll only actually use a couple every turn bur lower base counts of 3. Deploying a mech means you're not deploying the infantry you need for captures or faster vehicles for combat.

>>714494535
>Days of ruin came out at the wrong time
idc if it did, it was kino
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LwI4eqDxv94

>>714501057
Wait, what?
Engage had a piss easy hard mode, I haven't even seen normal, are Normal and Hard just sandwiched really close together or is this a joke?

>>714504635
tbf this was launch window when people were playing engage like any other FE game and under-utilizing the ring gimmick.

>>714501713
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JdRuVBhZuGY

the true anthem of today

here i come to derail the thread

>>714496824
Magnus Carlsen? Play AWBW, you scrub.

>>714505720
grimm looks more like eggman than hawke

>>714494825
>he wants others to enjoy his wife

>>714505720
sonic should be andy, wtf why adder. Also give tails to sonja, would be more fitting, no I don't care that tails is a boy, he's a girl in spirit, give rouge to jess, give shadow to hawke, give eggman to sturm or vonbolt and adder should be mephiles

Why aren't there a bunch of Advance Wars rom hacks?

>>714508769
Adder does not tempt Hawke to the dark side. And why would Kanbei murder Hawke in the far future?

>>714505720
Lash should be gamma or Emerl.

>>714509247
I was thinking about the general vibe rather than narrative facts, hawke is the bad guy that joins the good side later, adder is the lame knock-off that no one cares about

>>714509039
I wish someone would make advance wars returns but with DS characters too

>>714508769
adder cause SHPEEEED and also cause he's fairly well-rounded
tails is andy cause obviously
rouge is sonja cause spies gather intel
shadow is jess cause she gets the same movement buffs as adder and ground units are versatile
jet is eagle cause of "legendary wind master"
eggy is hawke cause i thought sturm and von bolt were too different, but that hawke's units were a decent reflection of andy's and his powers were "supervillain-y" enough

>>714509329
lash gets defensive bonuses based on terrain
why wouldn't espio get points for blending in with his surroundings

>>714510438
Meant character. Since Lash originally is a black hole CO that defects,

>>714510637
oh well i'm talking about stats and abilities exclusively

>>714432545
You are right. Maybe i used them for infantry only and in my memory i just remember attacking soldiers.
But i could swear copters were good for fighting in hills and locking city capturs.

>Nintendo is manufacturing the switch 2
>no battalion wars game that has battles the size of kingdom under fire or bigger

GET THE FUCK TO IT YOU SLANTY EYED FAGGOTS.

>>714461853
>Naval cities. Call 'em oil rigs.
Sounds too complicate for capturing. Than i would say maps have a harbor but with three beach spaces to use carriers to drop infantry.

>>714512708
Copters can fight infantry in moutains it's just that there are cavets. Infantry get 40% def so copter don't do as much on first strike as you'd like and then because Copter don't get terrain stars they're vulnerable to luck chip damage. It's still cost-effective but there are better uses for copters

>>714407551

>>714512708
Copters are great on maps with mountains and rivers since they can dance around vehicles and avoid getting hit. Basically any time a copter can get a free hit without retaliation from an enemy anti-air or copter, you should be taking it, just be wary of chip damage. Once a copter reaches 7 hp it's only functioning at about half effectiveness and you should never send a copter back to an airport to repair. Joining them is fine though.
If you're talking about mechs though...well, a mech in a mountain is pretty good. 40% defense means even if they get first struck, they'll hit back hard on the counter and then again when it's the mech's turn. Lash infantry/mechs on mountains during SCOP are basically invincible, they have 90% defense. The same 90% defense applies for headquarters, it's almost impossible to budge a Lash infantry off an HQ cap unless it's damaged beforehand.
Unfortunately all of the same general flaws of mechs still apply, but on maps where mechs would normally be okay due to heavy mountain, city, and missile silo play, Lash can turn those mechs from okay to good. It just boils down to understanding when to build mechs and when to stop. Frankly, if mechs ONLY got used when they should be, they'd probably be a B tier unit. But because they're so often flooded inappropriately, they feel more like D tier.

>>714471832
>just the first map
Its more than that. They altered almost every map to be similar. Compare moji island or pivot isle for example. Almost every map is easier to beat in half the day limit given.
Sometimes I wonder if the map nerf was so max didn’t suck in literally ALL of them since they gave him his old aw1 firepower back during scop but he cant reach anymore

>>714513470
I mean why i insisted that copters were a good option for hunting infantry and mechs.

>>714513709
Thanks, but i didnt wanted to go that much into detail.
It seems like you are a power player, to know all the stats and numbers. I would play chess against you but not AW!
Thats realll

>>714512708
Copters are kinda great at everything, it's just that they cost a bit more than the other two of the three.
They absolutely perform for this cost, but absolute cost concerns are real.

>aw thread over 500 replies
nice

>>714513707
Thanks Gyro.

>>714516151
>aw thread over 500 replies
we can have some nice things i guess

Imagine lash but with lin's hair