>at +20s only ~7 classes are prevalent
How can people defend this shit it is literally impossible to play at an acceptable level without meta classes

Look at this. So much disparity between classes

>>714430901 (OP)
+20s are actually extreme content that 99% of players aren't going to experience anyways so there's no need to balance around them. If you want to be the best of the best, you probably have 10+ alts anyways to play the FOTM overpowered class that can handle that shit. It's the same shit as being a mythic raider, you're literally asking to only play meta classes by engaging with the hardest content in the game.

>>714430984
>the spin at 0:09
my sides always go to orbit with this no matter how many times I watch it, why the fuck didn't they just spin the camera

>>714430984
Keep trying Rajeesh! I bet you'll impact WoW sub numbers eventually :3

Posting for based DKs.
We know we're edgelords. Suck our frigid undead dicks.

Autists minmax harder content... Woah...

>>714430901 (OP)
Previous >>714396932

>>714430901 (OP)
You don't play and you're an underaged mud-skinned thirdie. Who cares.

https://www.twitch.tv/gromnak/clip/HedonisticBelovedRavenPeteZaroll-47M96U7k10lmXzI7

>Using +20s as "balance"
>Content a vast majority of casuals won't see


Who makes these threads? Since you don't play and its obvious

>>714430984
https://x.com/KalebPrime/status/1938947408265912664
>3.9M views

>>714431321
>Three year old clip

XIV fans really trying their hardest zozzle

>>714431404
Keep trying rajeesh! You and your discord group are trying so hard :3

>XIV out of nowhere

>>714430901 (OP)
>Play casual content only
>Mash one-button rotation
>Never run a DPS meter
>Give no fucks
haha

>>714431321
Kek he is 100% correct
>>714431449
The fuck are you talking about? What he posted is a funny clip even for WoW players

>>714431509
Keep trying :3

>>714430984
FF is below 1 million active subs.

>>714431603
>>714431509
>>714431608
It's a very obvious falseflagger. You should be able to tell from the emojis and the way he goes out of his way to reply in the same manner to even other wowfags.

His ultimate goal is probably to get rid of WoW threads on /v/

>>714431371
>Using +20s as "balance"
i mean the chart clearly uses them all retard. Most people dont go back 12s.

>>714430901 (OP)
Who cares? Most players never do that shit anyway

>>714431321
I don't get it.

>>714430901 (OP)
Fuck off, we're all in the gay thread

>>714431891
The game has M+ and raids

Raid players usually do not respect M+ players, they don't think it's hardcore enough content

Their guild called people to raid, someone declined because it was "push week" meaning they were dedicated to advancing in M+ content to get a better key

He was kicked and the streamer ridiculed the guy because of the perspective of a M+ pushing week being more important than raiding

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pRAPFsi5xNY

OH NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO NO

AHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

>>714432058
I see.
Unless that guy is actually competing for world first kills (in raid) he has literally 0 reason to attack anyone who isn't playing m+ competitively though?

>>714432387
Yup, he's a massive crybaby

>>714430901 (OP)
>+20
There's no feasible reason to go past 12. Balance looks fine at that level.

I'm so glad I quit playing after pandas came out

>>714430984
Literally all artistic media is turning to shit, we are entering an intellectual dark age.

>>714432698
you can't get 3000io without doing 4 +13s thoughbeit, which gets you a mount
and there is an achievement for clearing all dungeons +15
there is no feasible reason for going past +15

>>714432387
>Unless that guy is actually competing for world first kills (in raid)
it's a CE guild, yes they are competing, well not necessarily "competing" but they need to get the content done as soon as possible and they can't afford having a member that won't raid for the entire first week of the season because of pussy ass m+ content that they could do alone
so you either raid with the guild and do the m+ in the off time, or you don't join the guild at all if you can't afford to raid on release week
no one is forced to join CE guilds btw that's the most hardcore possible content, just be a casual it's fine

>>714431182
Because that would require them to make more stuff in a background.
Easier to spin the models then spend 10 seconds working on the set when you don't give a shit.

>>714430901 (OP)
>+20
lmao who cares, rewards stop after 15 and you have to be a certain breed of gamer to spam the same dungeons at that level daily for an entire season. Blizz doesn't tune with these guys in mind unless its something super pervasive like VDH having too many stops (took them years to change this btw)

I watch Automatic Jak push with all healers and still can't be fucked to do high keys as a healer anymore. The game is now forcing you to spin too many plates at once. Playing whack a mole in Classic Hardcore is much comfier

>>714432978
>no one is forced to join CE guilds btw that's the most hardcore possible content, just be a casual it's fine
no, but great M+ players get recruited constantly and retard mongoloid guilds can't comprehend that the person they recruited from M+ is an M+ player and they don't give a fuck about progress.

>mmorpg
>balanced
it's an rpg, not an esport
fucking gamers i hate you i want my unbalanced old school mmorpgs back...

>>714433254
You know what joining a CE guild fucking entails, why are you joining if you don't plan to raid during the first week? How is it CE to raid in the second week that's what every other casual guild will do

>>714432978
Casuals aren't gonna get 3000 you dumb thirdie or shoot for it. So why would blizzard care if 20+ balance for the cutting edge faggots is like this

>>714433487
You know what pushing M+ fucking entails
why would you recruit a high ranked M+ player if you don't plan on letting them M+ during push week? Be a better guild

Never been a fan of flashy mogs. Especially as a lock. I should be an unassuming drifter, avoiding the authorities as I consort with demons

>>714433686
raiding comes before you needing affix clutch to push your keys

>>714433889
No it doesn't. Have fun recruiting again loser lmao. I'll be in a better guild by tomorrow

>>714433884
If you're a low level, sure. At some point the player character, even in classic would be powerful enough to not give a fuck, and by current wow they should basically be revered as a god with how much they have done.
They've beaten and fucked up the very cosmic forces that shaped the universe.

>>714430901 (OP)
the highest I go is +15 everything after that is mental illness

>>714432978
>and there is an achievement for clearing all dungeons +15
wait what? which one? you mean the keystone master? fucking hell if I have to pug again I'm going to get an aneurysm

>>714433251
they actually stop at +10

>>714430984
>Have a Lance
>Run up and swing it
>Have a shield
>Clash a curved sword with your lance

>>714433884
KINO

humble mogs mog

last time i played was shadowlands. i played frost mage which was considered the worst dps spec, yet i knew every fight inside and out and could easily maximise my dps, making me typically the 1st 2nd or 3rd top dps even when we were mythic raiding. i had all 15s in mythic+ done for the mount. the hardest part was convincing people to take me over a fire mage (got rejected all the time)

idk if the game is different but that shit is in your own head more than you think

>>714431086
Warlocks and being OP, name a more iconic duo.

>>714435567
Demon Hunters and being exclusively for ADHD

>>714431086
How is this not balanced? The vast majority of roles are within a 5% range.
It's definitely more balanced than shit was back in the day that's for sure.

>>714435835
yeah back when shit like ret pally did literally 25-30% of an equally geared warrior's dps
take me back to those days

>>714435414
it's a genuine cancer, shitters that only want the most optimal specs while barely being able to clear a +10, it's fucking annoying and part of the reason I stopped playing

>>714430984
looks like a parody

>>714433336
WoW has been an e-sport for sometime now anon. And you can't have unbalanced old mmorpg gameplay when the game revolves around clearing increasingly harder dungeons where one aoe can kill you and one death ruins the entire run.
Begs the question as to why people even consider modern raidslop to be mmorpgs to begin with.

>>714431321
I've been on a top guild once and everyone one was autistic but they all worked together, fraternity or something. I don't see Americans doing anything relevant in any game if there's no money involved, their mutt genetics and small brains are too much for them to bear.

>>714435948
>Seal of Rigtheousness
>Autoattack
>Judgement
>Repeat for hours
>Never gets old
Seriously, HOW did they fucking do it?

>>714430984
Meanwhile in FFXI...

Wow is an ancient boomer mmo for grandpa. Back then the virtual world social aspect and roleplaying was more important than cringe esport button mashing and theorycrafting.

Some mmorpgs still had good endgame balance despite of this, because one could offer player to player services. In Anarchy Online, 1 year older than WoW, that would include crafting items, casting buffs, offering fast transport, selling gear for twinking, powerlvling services, clearing dungeons with twinks.
Moreover one had meaningful world pvp where factions could take control of lands, take over cities, and get faction bonuses for being in control (such as exp boosts).

WoW has basically none of this, or rather, only in the most soulless, stripped down retarded way.

>>714437106
Is there any good single player MMO-like games?

>>714431149
This. I haven't played since BFA but there was never a reason to go above a +15, and that was just for achievements I think.

>>714437272
Fallout 76

>>714433884
you don't belong in retail, brother

>>714435730
This but also paladins. Every single DH and retardin is insufferable to deal with.

>>714437272
old school runescape

>>714430901 (OP)
>WoW is awfully balanced
no shit, getting retards to reroll and regear keeps them paying the sub

>>714437272
FFXII
Xenoblade X

>>714437272
osrs you can solo everything

>>714437106
KINO

>>714430901 (OP)
years and years of metaslaving has given me a deep seething hatred and distrust of any class I see in WoW just name any WoW class and I am instantly thinking derogatory things about that class

>>714430901 (OP)
nobody plays m+ to begin with
certainly nobody plays m+20
it is a bad game mode, badly designed from its foundation. i am not interested in speedrunning especially with randoms, i am interested in 3 hour long dungeon crawls at a slow pace

game is the most balanced its basically ever been, anyone saying otherwise is unironically dogshit and thinks time played = ability

>>714439324
Shame no one played the game, it had really high production value.

>>714440917
It really lived up to the mainline Final Fantasy product values at the time. The graphics were pretty insane for games in general back then, let alone an MMO.

>>714430901 (OP)
Feral druid is still shit after all these years

>>714430901 (OP)
People playing the class classes in this distribution doesn't mean that the game is (un)balanced in this way. For all you know the optimal class is all a single one

>>714430901 (OP)
who cares bro its a 30 year old game move on unc

>>714430901 (OP)
I haven't played since Dragonflight, but it makes me so happy to see those scalie fucks went extinct after them being beyond broken and meta through all of DF's m+ scene

>>714443603
how can the game be so shitty if theyve had 30 years to dev it

>>714437272
xenoblade

>>714430984
Why don't they just hire someone who knows how to direct cutscenes? Would it not be worth it because there aren't many cutscenes in Wow?

>>714446952
It's like magic

Does the game still have LFR?
Does the game still treat LFR players like dogshit?

>>714447245
WoW has like 4 types of cutscenes. People are nitpicking the shittiest late season in-game cutscenes made by an intern. The people good at directing them are taking care of other projects like the actual expansion releasing next year

>>714448065
Yes and yes. At least use LFG.

>>714447245
>Why don't they just hire someone who knows how to direct cutscenes?
There is no one that can make good in-game cutscenes with a 20 years old engine.

>>714438980
how similar is FF12 to FF11? I've never played it before but looking at the screenshots I really like the artstyle, also chocolate bun

.

>>714448240
This scene is from the questline that was one of the main features of the patch and blizzard itself advertised it

>>714430984
This is fanmade, right?

>>714449259
I swear so many retards have never played wow.

>>714449254
It's a x.7 patch that most people can skip, dumb nigger.
In fact the only ones having a meltie are people that don't even play wow.

>>714449225
What the fuck is the point of the wheelchair if the wheelchair floats. Just have him float on his own with weird dangling legs it'd look cooler. They are so desperate to make Khadgar a meme again so they're just making him Professor Xavier now. Can't wait for him to go bald next expansion.

>>714430901 (OP)
>+20
Dude that's like the top high end. You can clear a +10 for max reward in vault as literally anything. The higher you go, the more you have to metagame
It'a quite common, everywhere

>>714430901 (OP)
Post your rio

>>714439776
You are having panic attacks from a virtual timer
Lol

>>714433884
based

>>714431512
>purposely die to a raid boss so I don't have to partake
>collect my loot after resurrection

Am I the only one who did this?

>join a m+
>be healer
>quit as soon as it starts
I do this three times per day it is just hilarious

Do I have a mental illness?

>>714450339
Was a pretty good strategy when personal loot was super rampant. Putting in so much effort to get 92 gold felt so awful that it might as well not have even given loot. It at least feels better seeing there IS loot but it's not loot for your class.

>>714450339
Lfr? Not really

>>714450374
but why

>>714451268
It's just so fucking funny most of the time someone will insult me in whispers and I just know it wasted at least 1 hour of someones' time (usually more) while for me it was like 2 minutes since I'm a healer and get invites easily kek

why are the rogue hero talents so fucking boring

what the fuck is wrong with this class

i'd give so much to not have shit rogues.

>>714430901 (OP)
+20 is top .1%
3000 rating is 12/13 and is top 10%

>>714430901 (OP)
The problem isn't class balance it's epeening beyond M10. When you infinitely scale content you scale disparities until any small outcome difference becomes larger. It's piss poor design philosophy and is frying people's brains with paranoia around theoretical meta set ups. RPGs should never be designed that way. The chart should stop at M10.

>>714452085
15 I thought 20 was the max but apparently it's 15 now? Am I misremembering? Last I played was BFA I'm not touching the stink that is SL, DF or WW.

>>714430984
>00:19 - 00:20
Seriously, what the fuck are those facial animations. Is this an early 2000 YTP?

>>714449741
we have, but we're not so retarded as to have played wow since mop ended

>>714430984
>meanwhile over a decade ago
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ch4rc5W4dKY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xEylX2LJ8c4
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmndxoF74qQ

>>714430984
>i want to speak to your high king

>>714452868
>retarded nigger still comparing in-game cutscenes to pre-rendered
meanwhile over a decade ago pic related was your in-game cutscene.
>>714452539
and yet here you are, still crying over a game you have not played in over 20 years.

>>714452868
Those are prerendered.
You should compare them to this one.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UHHj5AXdPs0

>>714454158
>>714454209
You people are literally getting baited by the same retard that is spamming every single wow thread with that shit.
You're wasting your time.

>>714454158
no, i am just mocking you for how poor your taste is :) i will not be participating in any other way in this thread other than lmaoing @ u

>>714454435
woah lil dude next time just type "yeah im a retarded nigger" no need to chimp out like that

>>714431404
Is this actually real? Wtf happened to the facial animations? The cutscenes in BFA had way better animations

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3LMNG2UKuig

>>714454780
>retarded nigger still comparing in-game cutscenes to pre-rendered

https://youtu.be/I7ZyzPy3fG4?t=318

Holy fuck you people are retarded
You know BfA also had in-game cutscenes right? Have you done the assault of Lordaeron? Or played the campaign? Not all cutscenes were pre-rendered...

>>714430984
FOR ARATHOR
FOR BLIZZARD

>doomtranny getting raped
woah

>Foxxo is still eating his own cum

>>714431086
>tranny lizard class being the best
curious

>>714430901 (OP)
An "acceptable level" for a normal player to cap out at is +14-+15, which as you can see, is still somewhat balanced.

>>714437106
It's kinda retarded that they try to make Lion such a badass in this when she does FUCK ALL in nation missions/zilart where she's primarily featured. Prishe I can understand but fuckin hell.

Holy shit I thought Pandaland was bad. This is actual tranny vomit lmfao

>>714430901 (OP)
>>714431086
seems balanced enough to me.
>at +20s
20+ M+ are only done by a fraction of a percent of players, and the only reward you are getting is an idiotic title that 90% of players don't even know about. Getting better gear stops at 10.

>>714454158
>>714454209
they were still made ingame (wrathgate was literally a coupel dozen employees controlling the characters) and over a decade ago so youre telling me they cant even make a close analogue in all this time?

>>714430901 (OP)
Never done anything above a 10...not worth my time.
>>714455643
The fights in undermine are really good for devastation, and the class is pretty much the paladin for casters.

>>714455921
>they were still made ingame
>wrathgate was literally a coupel dozen employees controlling the characters)

You don't know what you're talking about, you should rewatch the

This is in real time while you're playing the game >>714430984

These were recorded and edited with external tools, and put as videos in the game >>714452868

>and over a decade ago so youre telling me they cant even make a close analogue in all this time?

All the cutscenes you linked are literally mogged by TWW's intro

https://youtu.be/I7ZyzPy3fG4?t=318

So again, you're comparing an in-game cutscene to a full pre-rendered cutscene, you're retarded.

It's like comparing this

https://youtu.be/xrXQQCtsgTA?t=458

to this

https://youtu.be/xrXQQCtsgTA

You have to be a retard.

Holy fucking cope

>>714456615
https://youtu.be/xrXQQCtsgTA?t=1474

>>714449225
This is real? I legit thought it was a joke

>>714456615
>All the cutscenes you linked are literally mogged by TWW's intro
THEY FUCKING SHOULD BE YOU RETARDED NIGGER ITS BEEN OVER A DECADE WHICH IS WHY THE OP BEING FUCKING WORSE IS SUCH A LAUGHABLE EVENT REGARDLESS OF HOW ITS PRESENTED

>>714431086
I haven’t played since BfA but very cool seeing frost dk brought back to life
Is 2h first a thing again or is it only DW

>>714456949
>Is 2h first a thing again or is it only DW
It is, you can do it if you really want.
It was only BiS in DF if you had the legendary axe tho.

>>714449225
>this flying chair made of magical energy needs wheels, because...

>>714456842
>retarded nigger still comparing in-game cutscenes to pre-rendered
Nigger, wrath in-game cutscenes are two dudes talking to each other, and for the whole expansion they release literally 3 cutscenes, TWW has 2 hours of cutscenes and it's not even over.
Again you're trying to comapre a pre-rendered cinematic to a random in-game cutscenes and crying because it's not a pre-rendered cutscene, you're the blackest ape in this thread.

>>714449225

>wod khagdar
>uses his mirror images and arcane servants to talk to you remotely

>legion khagdar
>uses an orb to talk to you remotely

>current
>sorry i gotta be on every cutscene while i sit on an magical wheelchair

i was fine with khagdar being crippled
but i really dont understand why gotta have him around when he can just be omnipresent with his magic

>>714457064
2h first crits were the shit
I also miss weird pvp shit like blood dw dps in cata

>>714457259
>>sorry i gotta be on every cutscene while i sit on an magical wheelchair

1 cutscene about the destruction of dalaran, but you're right that shit is not important...

>>714430901 (OP)
Looks pretty balanced, barely anyone does +15 and above and whoever is still doing at this point is obviously a metaslave tryharding. You gotta learn to interpret the context of your data, looking at graphs is not enough

>>714457375
he was there at the siren isle prepatch
they couldve just made him bed ridden

a purple khagdar mirror image would've been just as cost effective (in dev time) compared to the goofy floating wheelchair

>>714456615
Don't care. Making a fight scene with a real time cutscene is fucking retarded if it's going to look that bad. Being "real time" is no excuse. It should not be real time if it looks that bad. It's still lazy as hell. I can't think of another cutscene in the game that looks that bad.

>>714457780
Sure, that makes sense. I suppose he could just lie down in bed instead of sitting all day.

>>714458061
ok that's a fine opinion, and I agre that shit looks goofy, it's still retarded to compare an in-game cinematic to a full pre-rendered cinematic, that's the only point I was making.

>>714458263
Shadowlands had similar mid-expansion cutscenes with fighting that looked great. There's no excuse for this garbage.

>>714458363
I mean shadowlands has one of the best cinematic ever, it's hard to beat
https://youtu.be/0Nb3q1oROOg