Literally nobody has proved any of his points wrong and this petition won't lead to legislation because its demands are nonsensical and ill-defined.

They've been proven and debunked multiple times.

>>714434364 (OP)
>shilling for a corporate shill
lol

>>714434364 (OP)
>Companies cant take away what you already bought
>Nonsensical

Bait used to be good back in the day now any retarded internet celebrity is enough

>>714434478
I never got the thing with "MP games can't be preserved"
My first MMO experience when I got into college as a freshmen was playing Lineage 2 on private servers without paying a dime, back when I'm pretty sure you had to do subscription. So how the fuck ISN'T it doable, when people have been doing it off the grid for decades.
Just lift the restrains when a game sunsets and players will literally do it themselves.

>>714434364 (OP)
>I say nonsense so that people reply to me
>I am silly

>>714434938
Listen man it's just impossible okay? Don't ask any more questions and just trust the corporate agents.

>>714434478
This was "solved" back then because the types of games we have today didn't exist then, something like Helldivers is entirely dependent on central control through the dev's servers and simply can't be preserved without some sort of concession on its design.

>>714434938
>Just lift the restrains when a game sunsets
but they don't. for every game that gets sunset drm free and with an sdk there's 9 more that don't.

>>714435163
It could be controlled through any central server, it doesn't specifically have to be arrowhead's

>>714435163
Why? Because you don't get the single community driven experience? Who cares.
Obviously no single player group would be able to run servers large enough to encompass the full HD2 community, but by the point HD2 sunsets anyways you'd have a far smaller group of players, and furthermore, which would splinter even further on official server shutdown. So at that point just again set up private servers to handle a smaller scale version of what you have now.
Or, and this is the big one, just take the game offline entirely and instead provide a quickmatch mode with a list of all the different missions.

>>714434364 (OP)
I'm late for the drama, what's all this about?

>>714435427
Which is why the legislation would fucking work. Publishers just literally need to be told to back the fuck off when players fix the problem themselves.

>>714434364 (OP)
who are these poor and overworked devs that are so desperate to make live service games that they can't maintain and never profit off of when it gets deleted?

>>714435515

>>714435163
>something like Helldivers is entirely dependent on central control through the dev's servers and simply can't be preserved without some sort of concession on its design
Why? Seriously, why? There's nothing about HD2 that says to me it couldn't be recreated in an offline environment or over private servers.

>>714434364 (OP)
shut up and just do what everyone else is doing!

>>714435163
Servers are just computers scaled up to handle mass access through the internet and not the black magic these people keep try to peddle.

>>714434364 (OP)
Don't f*uck with gamers...

>>714435804
Oh! I thought he was in favor. I was kinda on his side during the vanilla wow thing, but this is a douche move. Isn't "Stop Killing Games" movement about "you don't own the game even if you paid it" deal shit?

>>714435836
>recreated in an offline environment
Would require additional labor from devs, which brings us back to the point of these types of games just not being allowed to exist then.
>or over private servers
The game literally relies on being an ever-shifting state to be engaging at all, without devs constantly adjusting and adding things it literally just wouldn't be the same game, it'd be an empty shell of dysfunctional assets.

>>714434364 (OP)
why would he make that face in the thumbnail that's so -jakable

looking forward to softwarejak getting posted whenever he gets brought up

>>714436016
>Isn't "Stop Killing Games" movement about "you don't own the game even if you paid it" deal shit?
Asking for secondhand information instead of just reading the primary source yourself is how retarded misinformation gets spread by the likes of Piratesoftware in the first place.

>>714436016
Why are you replying to an AI summary? Read shit yourself.

>>714435163
>Modern software development is more complex
Somewhere out there is a fucking docker image that hosts the Helldivers server and an internal gateway specific endpoint to allow you to modify the database for events/news
I. Guarantee. It.

If gamers didnt like single player online only games why did they buy them and create the market for it.
This is the retarded audience reddit is suggesting should make laws

>>714435163
Existing games are grandfathered by SKG. So it doesn't matter even if this is true. Just build your game correctly next time and it's fine

>>714434364 (OP)
I'm just happy to see everyone turn on him because I always thought he was an annoying twat. Does that make me petty? Maybe but still.

Also still find it fucking hilarious that it was the fucking Crew of all things that was the straw that broke the camels back the game that came out and the people who played it went 'it's mid' and died nearly 10 years later and then suddenly a zillion people came out of the woodwork to get mad. I don't disagree with the movement and it was bound to happen eventually either way but I just found it funny that it was The fucking Crew that kind of pushed it over the edge hell I was hardly hearing about 2 outside of /ovg/ before that let alone 1.

>>714436064
>Would require additional labor from devs, which brings us back to the point of these types of games just not being allowed to exist then.
"we can't make cars with safety features because that'd be a bunch of extra work and we'd go bankrupt"
>The game literally relies on being an ever-shifting state to be engaging at all, without devs constantly adjusting and adding things
Not even true in the first place but even if it was, 4X and other map games have AI that is 100x more complex than what's going on in HD2. A game like Stellaris can exist but HD2 can't do its stuff offline?

>>714436016
no this is a, I bought a product that I knew would become obsolete so I need to the government to regulate companies so I feel less retarded, type shit.

>>714436064
>Would require additional labor from devs, which brings us back to the point of these types of games just not being allowed to exist then.
What additional labour? The levels already exist, the missions, the enemies and all associated assets and code. At most you just need to adjust values for single player in the case things like health and damage are too bloated for a single player (or adjust player damage) or put in bot allies. Then just fucking create a skirmish mode and let the players pick a map and load the fuck in.

>>714434938
>I never got the thing with "MP games can't be preserved"
right? I have a wow server instance running on my other monitor as i type this

>>714434364 (OP)
Correct. And also, no EU citizen initiative has ever led to legislation. They think they have rights, but they don't.

>>714434938
they get hung up on legality as if it is impossible for the company to allow such things to exist, MUH IP, yeah, you can profit off other people running your game for you 20 years later if you aren't fucking retarded

>>714435163
The concession is that official updates stop and mods and dedicated servers take over. Wolfenstein: Enemy Territory had modded servers that had player-made long term progression mods that carried over your "character."

>>714436745
It doesn't even make any sense
>keep game up for buying on platforms, maybe on the cheap
>don't waste a single dime on maintenance or dev work, community does it for you
>crack down on private servers that help people pirate the game, but otherwise leave others alone
>private servers quickly learn to encourage players to legally buy the game
It's free money.

>>714436182
Honestly I'd believe it, it probably runs on docker fucking windows

>>714436016
If you're curious look at the petition ffs.
It's a call for legislation that stops games from being server-based to the point where they are unplayable when those servers are taken offline. Either release the server hosting software for players to organize or allow offline play.

Is this just simp wars. Stop killing videogames has been running for while and never gained any massive discussion. But now after some eceleb calls it bad, theres constant hype and rallying to "win". With the petition runner reporting that there might be mass effort to poison the petition, this whole shit just looks like fanbases raiding to get a win for their eceleb.

>>714436064
>Would require additional labor from devs
yeah like releasing the version they use to test features on their own networks. Wow so much labour

>>714436016
No, its more about preserving games after the official service ends. So its basically just a huge push for dedicated servers and retail versions for games.

>>714434364 (OP)
Genuine, sarcastic, it makes no difference. You are still a faggot regardless of your point of this post.

>>714436016
>Isn't "Stop Killing Games" movement about "you don't own the game even if you paid it" deal shit?
All it's asking is for companies to make sure there is some way to play games people paid for after end of life/service. It's not asking companies to host their own servers after end of life/service, it's not asking companies to make modding or server SDKs to run the things, it just wants it so that games you have purchased or spent money on have a plan from the onset of development to allow offline, singleplayer, or functional play after the companies/devs sunset them.

So for example, when Suicide Squad and Marvel Avengers died and knew they were going to sunset their live service ambitions they created one last patch that turned the games offline indefinitely. In Avengers' case it gave you access to all the paid content in the game (Skins, nameplates, etc) and everything but the raids were possible offline. They also made it so the online component because P2P instead of based on a server if I remember right.

Another example is Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Game and Friday the 13th: The Game. Both games were online-only. They sunset and they released a final patch for each of them that converted the multiplayer function from server-based to P2P-based. TCM itself has a bunch of bugs that will never be fixed, including games crashing because a killer DCed, but it is still playable right now as long as you have seven people searching for a game.

It's also asking for games that are heavily tied to online components like say Assassin's Creed games have some way to still play the content despite not having access to them in the future. When Ubisoft dies or ceases to keep up servers many of their games are going to have issues going forward because of how intertwined the online aspects are with the singleplayer game.

>>714436064
Any game with a private server has nothing to do with the devs so it's no extra work you turbo retard

>>714436016
But the vanilla wow thing was purely about him being a douche

>>714434938
"Can't" actually means "wouldn't be profitable to"

>>714434364 (OP)
https://youtu.be/aOgBWl_kHYY?t=341
My honest reaction whenever I see this nepobaby cocksucker cumbag

What about games that get patched? Some games like Fortnite receive tiny updates basically every single day, which "version" of the game do you feel eternally entitled to?

>>714436064
>It requires additional labor, therefore it is not allowed to exist
Why are developers so lazy, bros? I'm surprised any of them manage to release a game at all.

>>714434938
it's very hard and obnoxious to set up ways to play games with servers shut off. most games that do get shut off that are not as popular will never see the light of day.
like modern warfare 2 pc didn't have server options so people had to make a whole new client so the game can be preserved
300000 smaller multiplayer games that are no where near as popular will never get this much fan treatment to keep playable.
and mmo p servers are very risky. the server is ran somewhere and it can just break with zero backup because its an amateur running it or just shut down because the guy wants to move on

>>714437952
you get the last patch and that's it duh. Would you rather prefer they just not allow you to play it at all again?

>>714437952
The final patch. How is this even remotely a question?

>>714437952
Whatever version is the last one, though this premise is broken since the only version of Fortnite you can buy is the original tower defense mode. There is no obligation to support FTP content indefinitely. Community hosted Fortnite BR mode servers already exist completely separate from Epic's servers by the way.

>>714434364 (OP)
This is the same faggot that played wow classic. The same game that blizzard themselves said was impossible to make because they "lost the original code". Anyone who believes anything he says or takes him seriously on any subject should be shot or hung on a livestream.

I think he's correct when he says the whole initiative has pitfalls I think he's not identifying them correctly.

>>714437952
To the version that was most recent prior to end of life? What the fuck kind of stupid-ass question is this?

>>714437934
Which is also a shitty argument for the companies to make because fanboys keeping the game alive for free is a net positive for everyone involved, including the devs and the publisher. Redbull is sponsoring Age of Empires 2 tournaments because the game got an HD remaster. And it got an HD remaster because there was a large community still playing the game in their own private servers.

>>714434938
It's because they're lying.
Zoomers might just now, but anyone above 25 saying that is lying or extremely stupid.

>>714434364 (OP)
bootlicking nigger with room temperature iq

>>714434364 (OP)
you're rooting for a fired faggot? even if you're trolling

>>714438205
>>714438207
>>714438227
>>714438304
This is so stupid of a question I think it was phrased wrong and he was asking about server side things that change every day like what is in the store and limited time modes. It would be hard to make a case that Epic should push an update that unlocks every item for everyone since that would probably go against licensing.
Either way this is meant to apply only to newly released games.

>>714438389
Shareholders are entirely detached from the actual operation of the industry.

>>714438564
>It would be hard to make a case that Epic should push an update that unlocks every item for everyone since that would probably go against licensing.
Marvel's Avengers managed it even if it was solely Marvel's properties. They also clearly have a licensing agreement that allows people far after the expiration period to still use their content so it's extremely likely Fortnite has usage in perpetuity for the lifespan of the game.

>>714438205
>>714438207
>>714438227
>>714438304
So they could just make a final patch that has basically no content then?
Also, what if i specifically liked an earlier season the most and it's gone forever even before the game is gone, shouldn't the SKG ideas apply here too?
Don't get hung up on it being F2P, Fortnite is just an example.

>>714434364 (OP)
literally buys subs

>>714437952
Last one, though a game like that could easily have different modes emulating different seasons, if it doesn't already/

>>714434364 (OP)
>petition
>working

>>714438827
i dun think those are always accurate

If you think it's unrealistic for devs to worry about their older games competing with new releases, this is your reminder that every Madden game is pulled from online stores after 2 years because otherwise people would buy Madden 2018 for $5 since football has always been the same game with the same rules. This will happen with online games if devs aren't forced to stop disabling games

why do jannies let this obvious troll thread stay up? are they retarded?

>>714435163
>through the dev's servers and simply can't be preserved without some sort of concession on its design.
It could easily be modded to be a client-side campaign. Also the levels are just planet+timeofday+whatever special enemies are activated either by the campaign state or random seed

>>714434364 (OP)
Nice bait. He also completely misconstrued the initiative and made up talking points in his head to get pissy about so why should anyone “debunk” or “prove him wrong” when he can’t even fucking read.

>>714434364 (OP)
fuck off pirate software you narcissist fuck

so when is it coming out who this plant works for? went from nothing to everywhere in weeks

>>714438750
>Also, what if i specifically liked an earlier season the most and it's gone forever even before the game is gone, shouldn't the SKG ideas apply here too?
They'd be under no obligation to you getting access to that specific version as it ultimately increases undue burden on the company as they'd have to provide a patch for every single version. What SKG is asking for is a reasonable and good faith approach to the topic and supporting every single version isn't really good faith. The general impression would always lie on the very final version.

As it is you are already not entitled to early versions of digital games whatsoever, you can only ever download the most up-to-date version from a digital storefront. It is only through physical copies or piracy that you gain access to earlier versions of games unless devs specifically allow it like on Steam. Nintendo even outright has a system that makes it so if you previously had a higher tier version of a game patch on a game, you delete the game, and then you reinstall the game it will force you to patch up to the latest patch. This is a main issue people ran into with Mario Maker 2 glitch levels because even factory resetting the system does not allow you to downpatch games with physical copies and requires an entirely new system that has never loaded MM2 to play the lower versions.

>>714438069
Every game has ONE autist. So you WILL find a way.
Also if the private server you're on shuts down go to another one mate. The game itself is still playable and that's all the companies need to do. There's certain inherent benefits they cannot and should not be responsible for guarantying you in perpetuity, all we want is for the game to be PLAYABLE.
It's not their fault if I'm an idiot and end up accidentally joining a honeypot server and get myself kidnapped by Russians who steal my kidneys. That's my fault not theirs. I jointed the sketchy private server.

>>714434938
It’s funny how TF2 is nearly 20 years old, has a larger fanbase than most multiplayer games on Steam, probably makes more money from lootboxes, and yet can do community servers easily and had its source code leaked years ago.
Funny how what nearly killed TF2 was MyM implementing match making.
You know, the very thing these publishers say is required for modern gaming.

>>714434364 (OP)
>because its demands are nonsensical and ill-defined.
they're perfectly well defined and reasonable retard
i buy a product, i own that product, that product continues to be accessible and useable by me forever
records still play, video tapes still play, audio tapes still play, projector reels still play, cds still play, mp3s still play, books are still readable, dvds still play, blu-rays still play, the standard is there and it is consistent and what consumers expect and demand
>nooo but then we'd have to host servers forever
false, you would have to stop making always online dogshit if you are unprepared to host servers for the next thousand years or are unwilling to allow consumers to create their own private servers. you have the option right there, if you need to be forced into making normal games and not online only slop that's your problem

>>714438750
That gets into trying to define leavings games in a "playable state", for some just allowing single player while discontinuing multiplayer is enough, while others want an option to access every version.

>>714439000
If you're going to roll over like a dog, at least do it quietly

>>714435163
>100 mb server emulator
>50 Gb online assets pack

There. Solved it for you with black magic

>>714439203
But then that leads back to my previous point, if they're only obligated to release the final patch then what's to stop them from just making the final patch super shit and/or devoid of content?

>>714439186
NightMedia
They work with Youtube and that's why their plants get pushed on everyone's feeds

>>714435163
What do you think "dev's servers" are, black magic incomprehensible to mortals?

>>714439363
Significantly more work to remove things and clean up the data. Multiversus just turned off the PvP and called it a day leaving everything in the data.

>>714435163
You could GM your own server.

>>714436064
Hey faggot why don’t you respond to any of those posts about additional labor.

>>714434364 (OP)
This guy is a fucking shill and isn't even that talented of a gamer or commentator.

And literally who gives a fuck about old games dying? seriously play something new or emulate.

retarded. I cant think of a single game I give a shit about I can't find.

>but MMOs

fuck off who cares only fucking idiots.

>>714436064
I am a programmer and I've worked on the network stuff for a battle royale game.
Half my job is arguing with product managers about the schedule and what we can include and how we can do so within schedule.
Having a European law to point to as an argument for us to make a proper abstraction layer for networking stuff would be a great help for me in my job. I want to implement this stuff properly anyway.

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>>714439363
It would be a shitty business practice that could cause bad press. If it's clearly intentional there could be legal consequences as well.

>>714439480
>>but MMOs
Were one of the first genres to have their own private servers.

>>714436601
Wrong
See Right2Water and End the Cage Age

>>714439496
hows the crunch?

>>714436064
>The game literally relies on being an ever-shifting state to be engaging at all,
You can just make it possible to set different events and goals for your smaller server's population to try and achieve. It doesn't need to be a global system once they decide they don't want to support it anymore, you just need a reasonable facsimile of the original experience, and getting to drop in and shoot enemies with your friends would still be perfectly possible. It wouldn't be quite the same as the game at its peak, but it doesn't have to be. It just has to be playable in more or less the form it was when it went offline.

>>714439429
It really isn't, they roll out updates that remove things all the time.
If they're under no obligation to include all content they've ever made then there's also nothing that could stop them from releasing a final update that replaces the BR map with a square and removes custom modes as a feature.

>>714439451
Fags post drive-bys and don't stay around long enough to get their fee-fees hurt when they get called out for being retarded

>>714439480
How's would you emulate a game that is not there to play?

>>714439609
crunch deez nutz nigga

>>714434364 (OP)

>>714439609
It sucks but personally I haven't had it too bad so far in my 5 years in games.

desu i don't really care what this fart fetish furry, voice mod using, fence sitting grifter has to say in any situation enough to muster the energy to disprove him.

>>714439768
Nice cope for being un able to do a refutation on him sir

>>714439654
>It really isn't, they roll out updates that remove things all the time.
Sure, but you're implying they'd remove basically everything available. It would take them more work to remove assets, clean things up on the backend, and make sure it all works properly than just leaving them all there functioning like normal. They aren't making money from the product anymore in this hypothetical scenario so why would they worry about removing everything? It doesn't really make sense from any angle you can think of. Why remove content? Why remove modes? Why remove anything? Unless they are legally obligated to because of licensing agreements there's no realistic reason they would outside of spite.

Your entire hypothetical is based on the devs being spiteful for no reason when they have no reason to go to those lengths, especially during EoS.

>>714439563
Yeah and publishers get the government to intervene to get them shut down lmao I guess it isn't communism when companies do it.

>>714436312
The Crew was just a perfect example of Ubisoft fuckery and recent enough.

The only games I'm genuinely not sure on solutions would be gacha systems.
Personally, that would likely require actual work. Most of them are f2p anyways. Best I can figure is that you'd let players keep their accounts and set up a single time download of said account assets and what not, so they could permanently install a version of the game with all their winnings and waifus and what not, but be unable to ever unlock another asset/girl every again.
Alternatively, perhaps with some work, you could make it so every waifu can be unlocked over the course of the story of the game provides, but I see that being a bigger issue. It would kill the gacha market if players start thinking they could just wait years for when the game dies and then not pay a single dime for getting the girls.
Genuinely curious about solutions for this one.

>>714436435
When does it become obsolete?

1 - While the movement is fine in spirit, its funny how even faggots on here forget just how bad the government is at doing anything. You think the Eu boomers are going to be able to understand this? Are you out of your fucking minds? They will put in some half baked solution that doesnt even fucking work. Or they will institute some draconian hellscape that makes companies pull out of the EU

2 - If i grabbed 10 supporters from this thread, and came up with a list of questions on how this would work. I would get 10 different answers. You fucking retards havent come to a consensus on anything. Same thread the other night, I asked about these rules applied to console games as well. And they started fucking arguing about it.

>>714439768
This whole thread is trying to force more engagement by baiting people into explaining specifics about the petition they are trying to push. There are theories that this guy is doing the same, but I don't like him enough to give him the benefit of the doubt
>>714439919
>Did you follow our new law when you shut down your game?
>Uhh the title screen is playable
Straight to prison

>>714434364 (OP)
Idk what this drama is about but he's a pretentious, pseudo-intellectual, furry faggot who fakes having a deep voice, calls himself "Thor", fucks animals, and never shuts up about being a bottom bitch, nepotism hire, QA engineer at Blizzard. So I disagree with whatever his point is and I'm glad everyone else hates him too now.

>>714439915
one needn't refute if one doesn't engage. it's like a retard hobbling up to me, shitting on the ground, and eating it and demanding I prove it doesn't taste good.

>>714439919
It would be a miniscule amount of effort requirement for the payoff of retaining control over their IP, if they want to push, say, Fortnite 2 (hypothetical, don't bother discussing how realistic this is), many publishers would rather fully scrap the first game in order, as they do right now.

>>714439563
Scratch that, MMOs might've been THE FIRST genre to have their own private servers, even before fps games.

>>714434364 (OP)

>>714435804
There are only 2 objections of substance I see here:

1. Companies can't or shouldn't stop taking games from everyone, regardless of their willingness to preserve them, because of "security risks." Oh no! Not "security risks." And there are so many "security risks" by providing code for people to host their own Meridian 59 server like uh _____?

2. You don't own nuttin! I.e. leaning into the cucked mentality of corpos that you actually shouldn't own things you buy because they convinced corrupt government to agree with them, partially. You "own" a "license." Why should we accept this as a terminal good and truth again?

Fuck I wish we could detect and abort all narcissist and sociopath babies in the womb - like modern Down Syndrome. Imagine how much better the world would be if we just didn't have to deal with these "people."

Why do people hate this guy?
"It's incredibly important to me that we keep making games and that the next generation has the tools to do so so our medium never dies out"
He cares about gaming. Also he used to work at Blizzard.

>>714440018
I strive to be this hateful one day

>>714439363
What do you think would be the public reaction to a dev shitting up a game out of spite? That would be a PR suicide, straight up.

>>714436016
>I was kinda on his side during the vanilla wow thing
what? did you only hear about it from him or something? if you actually looked at what happened it was clear he was doubling down and refusing to admit fault when all he had to do was say "yeah i panicked, sorry"

>>714440180
See there you're touching the fucking crux.
A lot of the time these fucking corpos just want to force players into the new ecosystem
How much you wanna bet that GTAV's online is coming down as soon as GTAVI's goes up?

>>714440430
>Why do people hate this guy?
He's a faggot. A real faggot.

>>714438669
Shareholders, in every industry and every aspect of society, should be killed en masse, it's genuinely required to repair society.

>>714440430
Because he intentionally lies in order to hurt things he doesn't like. That's not good behavior.

>>714434364 (OP)
nobody likes that high pitched faggot here. Maybe try shilling on reddit?

>>714440180
Then they'd very likely run into the issue with the legislation because it's not what was available when the game hit EoS. They're not providing players with what was available before they sunset the game which goes against the ethos of the whole thing in the first place.

>>714440430
>Why do people hate this guy?
I look at him and see a slimy rat, same as looking at Fauci. It's a visceral but correct reaction brought forth by my superior Neanderthal instinct.
And I hate rats.
Only sexy anthro rats for me.

The signatures slowed to a halt after hitting 1M, bots 100% confirmed.

The petition probably only has 600k~700k legit ones.

This shit is doomed to fail.

>>714434364 (OP)
Is Pirate a hardcore libertarian? It's the only justification on why he's so against StopKillingGames. Libertarians despise regulation no matter what, even undeniably morally good ones like child labor laws.

>>714440430
Gives off pretentious faggot vibes. Also harmed SKG

>>714440180
Nah the IP stuff is right. EA refuses to re-release Battle for Middle-Earth games for this reason because they would have to renew the LoTR license to do that. So BfME games are effectively abandonware.

>>714440430
>He cares about gaming. Also he used to work at Blizzard.
Your honor! I see a contradiction in the witness's testimony!

>>714439926
Yeah sure but I'm still flabbergasted anyone even noticed it being gone is my point.

>>714440752
EU is asleep

I am once again asking eurochads, the great saviors of vidya, to please invest in an air conditioning unit.

>>714441043
It's a frogposter, why are you expecting it to know anything at all

>>714440752
>signatures slowed when the goal was met
You don't fucking say?

>>714440797
He just didn't read the page properly the first time he reacted and was wrong, but can never admit to being wrong so he's doubling down. I'm pretty sure there is no serious political concern beyond being a manchild.

>>714440797
https://youtu.be/Yh6ldR236rA?t=5m53s
Yes.

>>714435163
Motherfucker Club penguin works the same fucking way, a private server solves all of this.

>>714441085
No. I just wanted to answer so that nobody else replied to his stupid post.

>>714439589
>End the Cage Age
>femboys are caging themselves more than ever

>Call himself ''pirate''
>Is actually a corpo bootlicker
Privateer software should rope

>>714440704
I wanna fuck this rat until it's a broodmother

>>714435804
I'm missing the part where he just wants his entire ass eaten.

>>714440797
he presents himself as a game dev and sees things from a "game dev perspective" so he read
>you have to change the way you develop games from now on
and instantly got offended. then his "im never wrong about anything ever" attitude kicked in, so he has to die on this hill for some reason

>>714434478
This doesnt debunk anything, its just a tweet making vague claims. It even starts woth a direct attack to the person instead of the argument.

>>714434364 (OP)
>>714434478
Youre fucked faggot.
Roaches get the Spray
go suck corpo cock somewhere else furfag

>>714441043
Nah, "people" were still signing it at 3AM yesterday with no slowdown, completely unnatural behavior for humans.

Stop coping.

what's up with those Thor's threads?

>>714441029
Ross has a spreadsheet with games that have gone extinct or are in danger of. He really just cares a lot about game preservation. It has been autistically bothering him for a long time.

>>714441306

eating the rich

>>714434364 (OP)
You are right bro we should just sit around and let them keep fucking us.

>>714441117
It was not met. It will not be met.

>>714441564
The entire rich?

>you can't just release the server files it's impossible
>look inside
>a bunch of numbers being moved around taking up a few dozen kilobytes per second

>>714439207
>all we want is for the game to be PLAYABLE.
corporate lawyers will love this one
you might get something that's 'playable' as in you can launch the .exe and see a login screen but nothing more, or they might give you some kind of watered down cucked version same as what multiversus did where you have a client that works offline only with no unlocks and most of the content missing, they'll tell you that is 'playable'

>>714441760
Europe can be pretty okay with this kind of thing though. The GDPR stuff, the USBC stuff, it has actually measurably changed how companies act.

>>714441389
Yes it does you low IQ chimp. It debunks it by referencing how games worked in the past until companies started forcing everything to go through online server checks. By referencing past methods that absolutely worked and can absolutely still work he has debunked the faggot corpo boot licking roach, and your low IQ primate ass too.

>>714434364 (OP)
I'm just anti EU and therefore, against any and all legislation from these Brussel faggots by default
that's all
>back in the day
>"I've reverse engineered World of Warcraft's server architecture, now you can spin up your own private server"
>gay ass millienials and zoomers today
>"nooooooo I need to play this game in 30 years daddy parliament please force developers to do something I want"
you should all kill yourselves

>>714441760
>no unlocks
Depending on the game that might not be so bad
>most of the content missing
That is not "playable". I wasn't sold missing content, not was I sold an .exe into a login screen.

>>714442079
Sign the petition and I will. As a live service.

>>714437558
He always was against it, retard bro.

>>714442079
>devs back in the day
>"wow that's fucking cool how you're doing private servers with crazy parameters and stuff"
>devs today
>legal action and forces you out of your house and bans you everywhere

the fact everyone is talking about this lm retard literal who instead of the actual initiative makes me so mad
why are normalfags such dumb fuck emotional nigger cattle
every non autistic child should be euthanized for the better of society

>>714441461
For whatever reason the algorithm is plastering this guy's face everywhere. I never used to see this guy in my youtube feed but now suddenly every mouth breathing retardtuber is making videos about him and youtube thinks I want to see that shit.

>>714434364 (OP)
faggot software lost

Why exactly is this guy being plastered all over the internet? He has a retarded opinion about game preservation, but he doesn't have any actual power, as far as I can tell he's some literal who streamer, who gives a fuck. I can't believe just how mindbroken the average internet browsing retard is nowadays that entire movements can be hijacked and derailed by the comments of a fucking streamer, the human race is such a shitpile

>>714442276
you're the cattle for being mad

>>714435969
this but unironically. my muscles are just that big

>>714442261
why not decriminalise emulation if corporate is out of business then? why do I have to take all these measures so you can feel good about yourselves?

>>714442276
The reason we need legislation is the same reason this shit only started getting votes because of e-drama
Fact is the majority of normalfags are legitimately fucking dumb and need to be lead. Humans aren't really made for societal structures where everyone has the same rights. Hierarchies are just how we do things.

>>714434364 (OP)
hi thor

>>714434364 (OP)
https://piratesoftware.sucks/

>>714434364 (OP)
Hating on this guy is fun for some reason. Keep making threads and videos on him.

>>714442218
>Sign the petition
I will draw a huge swastika on it, how bout that

>>714436064
>Would require additional labor from devs
Because they intentionally made it like this in the first place. Not my fault, yet I will suffer for it.
after this initiative goes through there will be no more of that :)

>>714442407
>why not decriminalise emulation if corporate is out of business then?
Emulation is not illegal as it stands, despite what tendies might have you believe.
What's illegal is piracy.
Also emulation doesn't really play into SKG necessarily, though it COULD be a solution to some problems.

CONSUMER RIGHTS ARE HUMAN RIGHTS

>>714442451

>>714442484
No you have to make it so that it's valid. Only then you get rewarded.

>>714436064
helldiver 2 already pushes all of the calculations onto one of the server clients to act as the general network host, all AI pathing and decision making is client side as well so the only thing the servers do is keep you connected to one another and allow you to sync your kills/mission victories, xp and currency to their end for validation

>>714442585
t. incapable of using whois

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=P-1YlYA_afc

>>714439987
I'd make it so you can unlock everything from options but you can still choose to play it like normal, toggle past events and stuff.
Genshin for example, I'd let people customize their abysses and share it with others or imaginarium theaters since they're the endgame content.

>>714434364 (OP)
>I-its ill defined!
Yes retard, the point is that the petition is vague to generate a starting point for discussion. If you make your demands and requirements hyper specific then the eu could find one problem with it and dismiss the whole thing outright.
>>714436064
Stupid nigger read the petition faq and try again

>>714434938
please stop asking questions, please keep paying for service

>>714442352
Say what you want but this dickhead unintentionally galvanized and brought in a lot of new people to the petitions through his sheer sliminess being brought to attention.

>>714442079
The EU is pretty much the only government body left on this fucking planet that actually gives any amount of shit at all about the quality of life of its citizens
It's far from perfect, but why on earth would you hate it this much?

>>714443221
Because he must protect the poor little million dollar corporations.

>>714442872
Yeah but, if you do that, wouldn't people just never get into gachas during their life cycle? I mean I don't play gacha games but, I feel if I could get a version of some gachas without having to roll for the characters I'd actually do it so, and I wonder how many play them now but would much rather just not have the gacha system at all

>>714439987
Megido 72 recently went offline and they made a version of the game where you can still see and interact with all of your gacha unlocks, you just have to be careful not to lose your save data

>>714434364 (OP)
Worshipping an e-celeb... awesome dude...

>>714442079
actually i want to play the cycle frontier, which lasted two years, but i can't do that since they shut down their servers for a game that would absolutely be playable, if slightly less fun, solo.
so suck my cock, faggot

>>714441646
>but the bots!
Not the point retard. It's still going to slow down once the goal they were working towards was met, even seemingly. It's the whole reason he's got to tell people to vote extra in order to account for any bots found.

>>714434364 (OP)
I hate kiwifarms. Null is a pedophile.

>>714434364 (OP)
how gaped is his bussy do you think? how many ferrets can he fit up it?

>>714442847
>omg we did it, reddit! We made GaaS permanent!

>>714440430
He’s lying. If he believed that he’d support SKG. Actively destroying older entries in the medium is not good for propagating the medium.

>>714434938
>My first MMO experience when I got into college as a freshmen was playing Lineage 2 on private servers without paying a dime
Hello LA friend, what country?