Thread 714440617

>game that kick started the boomer shooter wave
>still remains the best one
Does /v/ also like dusk?

Citadel is a million times better
It ruined me for other shooters now
Every time I reload in a normal game I feel sick

>best one
>it's a 2/5
checks out. these shitty low poly FPS and crappy CRPG revivals have been utterly regressive sharts.

>>714440617 (OP)
Dusk is great, has truly excellent feeling weapons, very smooth movement and sublime aesthetics and atmosphere, I think that despite having perhaps the most generic arsenal of any modern boomshoot it also by far has the strongest identity.

>>714440617 (OP)
I like it's soundtrack. The game is fun. But not my favorite. I'm a slow paced pop and shit boomer shooter player. Like Rainbow Six style or "more recently" a game like Ashes 2063. The "gotta go fast" style of these games kind of repulses me. I don't hate it. I just don't prefer it.

>>714441216
>I'm a slow paced pop and shit boomer shooter player
You will love Citadel Beyond if you can get past the gore
Just play it on max difficulty

>shitadel
Lmao

>>714441447
>no argument
zoom zoom

>>714440709
visuals are cool but the anime waifu thing looks too out of place

>>714441991
Yeah I can see it turn a lot of people off, but the gunplay is so good
I wish it was more popular so it got more mods and levels but it's destined to be a niche game forever because the dev is a sicko that keeps posting about rape and pregnancy

>>714440617 (OP)
this and Ashes 2063 are the best modern shooters I can think of

>>714442234
is the first game worth playing?
I added both to my wishlist for next sale.

>>714442662
Yes, I like it more in some parts. And it's short too. But the core gameplay is tighter in Beyond

>>714440709
SHITADEL

it's a 3/5

>>714440617 (OP)
It's good, but Amid Evil mogs it.

>>714440617 (OP)
yeah it was alright

>>714440617 (OP)
Dusk, Citadel, and Amid Evil are my favorite of this resurgence.

>>714445935
shitadel

>>714441286
I have been told Citadel on hard is up my alley. Anything else?

>>714446642
If you're playing the first one, the Zealot difficulty is hidden by jumping into the center path. Hard isn't the hardest difficulty. Also you can increase some difficultly settings in the options like the enemy awareness so you should max it out too.
It's really fun on max difficulty because you have to be tactical and careful. Everything can kill you in one second.
Leaning is too OP in the first game, but he fixed it in the second

I thought Dusk was pretty good, but I enjoyed Cultic and Prodeus way more.

I’d say I like beyond citadel, prodeus, mullet mad jack ( if that counts) and maybe turbo overkill the most.

to this day i don't really get what makes people hold dusk THAT highly
like i thought it was good but I had no desire to play it again and when people talked about the fucking incredible maps it was like oh there's a few cool setpieces and some decent exploration neat lol
the better levels just reminded me of a thief so maybe playing that first dulled it for me a little or something.

also the duel boss at the end absolutely sucks and every time i hear somebody say it's "one of the best bosses in the genre" I instantly discard their opinion

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I hate that you can get all weapons in this game by level 3 or some shit like that, then you play another 50 levels without getting any new weapons, fuck this game and its developer go kill yourself developer I know you're in here. faggot add more weapons in the game faggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggot. FAGGOT FAGGOT FAGGOT

>>714448165
>also the duel boss at the end absolutely sucks

I’ve never understood why people say it’s such an amazing fight. I almost feel like it’s a red flag that someone didn’t play the game if they make that claim. It’s really gay and anticlimactic and honestly gave me the impression that very little effort was put into it. The rest of the game is very solid, though.

Ion maiden it uses the original engine, you can't beat that authenticity

>>714449363
I want to like it but it just feels like the same shit after a couple of levels

>>714449538

Just drop it, half of the levels are sewer levels, it's a fucking disgusting sewer gay ass simulator.

>>714440617 (OP)
yeah it's great, fun, funny, genuinely atmopheric and even spooky at times and the levels have variety

at first I was worried because Dave Oshry's marketing I thought was cringe so i expected the worst, but Dave's sense of humor is great and I ended up having a couple good laughs

>>714449363
>get aftershock DLC
>"Surely they toned down the dumbass spider heads and either made them easier to hit or reduced their numbers, right?"
They genuinely ruin the game for me. Either you waste precious ammo to shoot them or you play grabass with your baton that has 0 range.

Oh yeah well name some

The best is Hedon Bloodrite, I will die on this hill.

>>714450996
It really is great, probably the best level design I've ever seen in a pure fps

>>714440617 (OP)
I loved that game, played the shit out of the multiplayer. Used to win every match until this one guy called Seeker would show up and beat everybody 30 to 0.

Singleplayer was great too. Nothing better then back woods horror, but you have dual shotguns.

>>714449363
>>714450160
Is Voidpoint still around? I'd like to see them do more build engine stuff.

>>714448494
It's peak.

>>714440617 (OP)
I tried to get into it but it wasn't that appealing
I went back to playing Half life

>>714448165
For me its the style of the game. Its low poly 90s graphics, back woods horror setting, with crazy metal playing in the background, while you run around at 90mph doing flips and shooting leatherface with a 12 gauge. Its a combination of things that like put together in a nice package.

The duel boss is piss easy, but its really cool, so I like it anyways. Its also a Seal of Nehara reference, which is cool.

>>714450160
use pistol lock on

>>714450160
I feel like I always used the alt fire on the loverboy to take these things out. Or simply crouched and hit them once with the shotgun. Or tossed a homing bomb
Kind of an annoying enemy, but not hard enough to take out to cause any real problems, imo.

>>714449363
It doesn't though. It uses a very modern version of eduke32. You can't run it on original hardware and software, and even with a hacked together win9x port of eduke, it'll still struggle to get 10 fps.

>>714441216
Due Process is $0.79 and is like if Rainbow Six and CS1.6 had a baby.

>boomer shooters
>Still can't beat the scale, raw carnage and difficulty of the grandpa shooter

>>714450996
Yeah, out of all the retro revival shooters Hedon is my choice.
You should honestly be convinced it's the best when the second weapon you pick up is one of the meatiest shotguns ever put into a game with a fucking flamethrower alt-fire.
And being able to open it in a Doom editor and mercilessly beat off to some of the art.

>>714448494
The game gets funnier as it goes on. Definitely the developer finding ways to amuse himself as he made new episodes

>>714440617 (OP)
Crap. Play videogames that are actually old.

>>714451474
I believe a main devs said at one point that if they ever did another fps, they probably wouldn't use something like build/eduke again since it just caused certain parts of development to take much longer than necessary, and it wasn't really worth the "authenticity" in the end.

>>714440617 (OP)
Better than Ultrakill and Amid Evil combined. Don't let the cringe New Blood marketing fool you, it's peak.
>>714448494
E3M1 and the reveal at the start of M2 was incredible

>>714451686
Will look into gracias

>>714440617 (OP)
>kick started the boomer shooter wave
Not true
Good game th

selaco is kinda cute if you like fear

>>714448494
god bless the Czechs

>>714452767
Then what did?

>>714451686
>PVP

Ashes scavs, report in

>>714452790
you can’t mention it on here because the devs are pro-LGBT

>>714440709
TROONtadel is trash

>>714452790
I played the demo a while back and it was great. I'll buy it when it comes to gog.

>>714453025
There are no troons in the game retard, keep trying

>>714453058
its a mindbroken sharteen, they tend to melt down at the mere implication of anime

>>714448148
what are games like Post Void, and Hyper Demon/Devil Dagger considered? Definitely not boomer shooters but still fun

The only nu-boomer shooters that I've actually liked since Dusk have been Nightmare Reaper because the RNG weapon autism is fun, and Boltgun since the 40k setting is cool. Everything else just feels like troonytoon devs aping doom eternal because "le boomer shooters are automatically good, no matter how derivative they are after like 4 in a row :^)"

>>714453304
you have no brain

>>714453304
>RNG weapon autism is fun
>the 40k setting is cool

>>714453353
He's partially right, there's a subtrend of these games that rather than taking inspiration from the older 90s games that take more pages from Eternal and games like it, think Ultrakill, Turbo Overkill, or Postal Braindamaged. Games with a dash or slide just feel fundamentally different than other throwback shooters.

>>714452936
Or else what? Incels will shit themselves like they always do anyway?

>>714452790
Selaco is just a modern shooter on gzdoom

>>714453489
I don't play that crap, and Boltgun is the definition of that shit so he's double retarded

>>714440617 (OP)
ive still never tried it and i love boomer shooters.
I like certain parts of the aesthetic but something about it just turns me off. I think it's that the guns themselves don't look cool. that's pretty important to me

I don't know what it is with Project Warlock 2. I started off really liking the game and now midway through episode 2 I can barely find the enthusiasm to even launch it.

>>714440617 (OP)
When will we get some games emulating the 2000s fps style? I want some Halo clones.

>>714453996
>Project Warlock 2
>Adrenaline-pumping gore retro funhouse that's full of guns, magic, demons, vertical arenas, 3D visuals, 2D sprites, and heavy metal music
I know the word reddit gets thrown around alot but... this is reddit as fuck

>>714454082
I'm sorry, I just can't, my body rejects this

>>714454082
That more or less describes the game spot on. It's just that the game has so much to offer yet I find no joy in it anymore. all the levels blend together, all the weapons feel the same even if they split off into two upgrade paths and with the crystal/rune enchantment mechanic, secret hunting feels no longer enjoyable and more "wait, that was a secret" and the 50th enemy horde ambush no longer feels fun because they just melt with how strong your everything is and with life leech being a thing there's just no challenge to it.

>>714454265
I finished it three times, story mode and realmshift twice. Got about 33 hours out of it for 11 bucks.

>>714440617 (OP)
Yes. I played through the entire game and enjoyed it. Getting stuck on E2M6 sucked. Otherwise great game. Leagues better than ULTRAKILL which I put down immediately and might have even refunded, I don't remember. It wasn't good.

>>714454421
For Dusk, circle strafing is enough like 95% of the time, the remaining 5% being cowgirls. You can play it at any skill level and still have a good time.
Ultrakill is much more in line with an action game, you have to have your reactions on point for parrying or dashing and constantly switching weapons if you want to get the most out of it and get S ranks. It's fun if you're looking for that exact scratch to be had, but if you just want to shoot things, you're going to get headaches and frustration, and possibly hand cramps.

>>714452910
I'm actually playing through them now. I'm running around the Pipeworks in the second hub and I'm kind of over it.
The atmosphere is great, the horror is done extremely, extremely well but the biggest hook is the mystery but I feel like I already have 70% of it figured out by now. The gigantic groups of enemies have gotten REEEEEAAALLLY old by this point, if there wasn't the hook with ATHENA through the two episodes I probably would have dropped it by now. A man can only take so many trash hag ambushes before he snaps.

>>714440617 (OP)
Too easy

>>714452910
LOOK AT DEM TITTIES
Is it true they nerfed them in a later update?

Also I really like Afterglow and Hedon(Hellrite)'s hub level design and really wish I could find similar games. I know I'm going to get mega bullied for this but do the system shock games hold up gameplay wise? How do they stack up against say Deus Ex (I really like DX's gameplay)

>>714454140
yeah sorry never playing that troon shit

>>714456248
keep trying shartyfag

>>714455939
SS1 is the most complexity you can get out of the retro Doom styled shooters, there's like 20 weapons with multiple ammo types.
SS2 is kind of comparable to DX I guess but actually good. Multiple ammo types, skills required to use them, upgrades, different firing modes. You point the crosshair at something and it shoots there, simple.

Both hold up well gameplay wise but the SS1 level design will kick your ass. The fact that it came out BEFORE Doom 2 is mind boggling with how modern it feels. Leaning, free aim, inventory management, exploration, it's fucking insane.

>>714455939
System Shock 2 is a predecessor to Deus Ex some features. It's still very immersive, even the character creation section has you choosing career paths in a blade runner style city. You don't get to talk to anyone in SS2, you just read things and hear other people talk. It's a good game. SS1 is the same idea as DX and SS2 but from an earlier era with fewer features, but it's still a great insight into how we got to the later two games. You can also check out Ultima Underworld, both of them are similar, but UU2 is more advanced than UU in terms of features.
Have fun!

>>714448494
HROT is probably my favorite game that came out of the whole fad.

>>714456314
okay gross discord groomer I will continue to immediately notice tranny shit at a glance and say "I'm never playing that troon shit" every single time.

>>714456553
4chan will never hate anime, but you can continue seething

>>714456646
what the fuck are you talking about anime has nothing to do with disgusting troon games other than anime being a vector for groomers like you to hurt kids

>>714455603
It reached a point where I would randomly put rounds into piles of trash as I moved around.

>>714440617 (OP)
>Does /v/ also like dusk?
It's good, but I found the style of the game just ugly in a way that was neither endearing nor retro
Ion Fury is my pick of the boomer shooter trend.

>>714457061
I played the demo does it actually get good? The demo felt like Shadow Warrior made by someone who doesn't get why Shadow Warrior was good, too much bullshit climbing around.

>>714450160
bowling bombs or pistol lock on, yeah they are annoying though but not as annoying as the flying enemies that seem to disappear when turning pretty much requires using the lock on to hit them

>>714452910
cant wait for episode 3

>>714456495
>DX I guess but actually good
While I like DX I can't be insulted at this, I'm looking forward to playing SS2 I guess.
For SS1, just jump into the original game? Is the remake any good to be worth a virtual second playthrough of SS1 or nah? Any must have mods or whatever of SS1 enhanced or is it good to go on a fresh install
>>714456502
I've played UU and UU2, and arx fatalis and fucking Underworld Ascendant, is an entirely different genre but I really wish something new would pop up there. Tried stuff like Lunacid and didn't click with me, I'm hoping stuff like Monomyth and Neverlooted Dungeon measure up but I digress.

>>714457357
>>714452910
Is it true that it's tactical like Citadel, or is it run and gun like Dusk? Also does it have interesting reload?

>>714457462
SS2 is a lot more like DX but instead of investigating a conspiracy it's more like survival horror mixed with the immersive aspects of DX.

>>714457504
It's a doom TC. It's basically doom with a different weapon/enemy set and weapons you can upgrade. For better or for worse.

>>714457931
ashes is good, shitadel is horrible
unless of course your idea of a game is "I have cheats on at all times to give me 38 weapons that aren't good and the point of the game is to see the guts of women when I kill them"

>>714458021
Keep seething

>>714457462
For SS1 Enhanced if you have it on GOG roll it back to the second most recent update, the last one introduced some infuriating microstuttering that Jewdive said they would fix then wouldn't you know it, they never fixed it.
You can jump right into SS1, Enhanced makes it control like a modern game and if you've played any imsim you'll know exactly how to properly play it. The cyberspace segments are straight ass though, you'll know exactly what I mean when you play your first one.
I never ended up buying the Remake, last time I interacted with it was the first alpha demo they released way back.

>>714458021
I don't think you played the game

>>714440617 (OP)
Bought it yesterday, I'm 2/3 of the way through and it's great so far

>>714457504
it's mostly doom with some ammo scarcity and currency management to decide what upgrades/consumables to get.

>>714458052
sorry about that accurate description it must have hurt you slightly less than looking in the mirror and seeing you are not a woman

>>714458396
You're retardation has no effect on anyone, but your constant seethe is raising your blood pressure and killing you

>>714458494
lol nice projection benjamin goldstein enjoy jacking off to the liver of a cartoon lady

epic flame war faggots pls stfu

>>714459731
Just waiting for Brutal Fate

>>714459816
It does look very promising.

>>714459816
>Brutal Fate
I hope you're willing to wait ten decades.

>>714458052
You're right at home here, huh? Imagine getting this worked up defending literal coomer trash with all the subtlety of a 13-year-old who just found the DOOM wads folder. If Citadel's your magnum opus you should probably quietly enjoy it instead of getting rugburn screeching at everyone who doesn't stroke to cartoon giblets.