Thread 714447664

yeah that's gonna be a skip for me

That game was just fine on re-release but they had to just keep adding filler shit and now it isn't worth playing because the loot pool is beyond flooded with ass.

run ruining item

>>714447765
Base Rebirth was actually garbage and it took until Repentence to fix it entirely THOUGH

>>714447765
Meta progression as a concept is fundamentally pretty fucked up and a major flaw of the roguelite genre.
It's something that's proven without a doubt by deck builder games like Slay the Spire or Balatro, where the game makes it apparent that "Oh wait I probably would be best off with a thinner more solid deck than adding a bunch of fucking garbage to it and reducing my chances of getting the actually good cards"

the binding of isaac is fundamentally flawed. there are over 700 items that may or may not completely brick my run, and there is no way to know what they do. meaning whenever i'm rewarded it's just a dice throw whether i lose or not.

>>714448610
>and there is no way to know what they do

>>714448707
using a wiki or mod to tell you what something does is not good game design lol.

>>714448707
Edmund is still kind of stuck in that "Newgrounds troll game" mindset as far as game design

>>714448396
The amount of actually useful unlocks far outweighs the garbage unlocks (Eden's shit)
There's so many gateway item breaks its unreal
>NOOOOOOO I UNLOCKED LEMEGETON MY LIBRARY AND DEVIL POOLS ARE LITERALLY RUINED
Sorry you're a shitter and can't abuse it
>>714448610
>NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO I SHOULDNT HAVE TO LEARN BY PLAYING THE GAME HOW WAS I SUPPOSED TO KNOW THAT THIS ITEM IS BAD
name FIVE current patch anti-synergies that are legitimate run enders

>>714448949
says who? These are games purposefully designed to have encyclopedic amounts of items. It's not bad game design for being purposefully obtuse and confusing. Visual novels are not bad because it's literally impossible for a single human to in one go chart out every branching path and alternative choice. These systems can be critiqued but games are neither bad nor good for being massive. It works in a game like isaac where it attempts to have a massive scope with the unique combinations you're able to make with the random pick ups as a core tenant of the gameplay experience. Knowing precisely what each item can do is really irrelevant as well as even the wikis barely scrape how the items interact with each other and player experimentation in randomly generated runs is the best method for really understanding your items and their benefits. For the basic stat upgrades the game lets you see this as well by enabling it in the hud settings

>>714447664 (OP)
I'll never be able to bring myself to skip bimston no matter how much it fucks up my combo
Instant neuron activation every time

Repentence codified Antibirth, therefore it's perfect and you're all faggots

>>714450404
Same. Pretty much any of the overpowered tear replacements like Brimstone, Mom's Knife and either of the fetuses are instant pickup, no matter what I'm going for.

As yes, nothing like some occult symbolism for the Goyim to unwittingly ingest.

>>714447664 (OP)
This game is only fun with this item, though.

>>714447765
>>714448396
For some reason a lot of game devs don't realize that inflating an item pool is a soft nerf to all the good rare items, which is ironic considering they have tools to either thin out decks or manipulate item pools.

>>714449724
Curse of the blind
D100 roll or any items that also work like it
getting your path blocked by a shitty item

>>714450319
It's not good game design for a game like Isaac. One of the top ten popular mods is telling you what an item does before picking it up.

>>714447807
crazy that steakmund has a boner for nerfing cracked items and yet let this stay in the game

>>714451049
I honestly have no idea what the hell he is smoking trying to make Isaac a "balanced" game to make it more "fair and rewarding" to beat hard bosses when he still hasn't fixed delirium

>try playing a character other than t. keeper or occasionally forgotten
>get bored
>go back to playing t. keeper

He's just too much fun

>>714450731
well not mom's knife for me since it's not fun, unless i also have brimstone

When the FUCK will the poop baby game finally be surpassed?
You'd think that with the bajillion of roguelikes coming out a good chunk of them would be better than Steakmund's game, but no.

>>714450957
>literally doesn't name any run ending anti-synergies
Judging by the webm you posted you're literally a retard for justifying playing like a mong and bumrushing shit

>Curse of the blind
Just like every other curse you're supposed to play around it
>BUT I NEEEEED MY TREASURE ITEM / BOSS ITEM / SHOP ITEM / DEVIL DEAL
literally learn when you should take and when to skip
you do not NEED to take every item
>D100 roll or any items that also work like it
then... charge your D4/D100 and re-roll your build
>getting your path blocked by a shitty item
drop your trinket / pill / card and abuse the item hold animation frames retard or quit out and reload to get at the door
there is literally ZERO situations where you're actually blocked by an item through natural procgen, you're a retard for proccing pedestal spawning items in the wrong place

>>714451554
until indie devs learn that what makes isaac good is rewarding for experimentation and knowing the game
it's very easy for them to fall under the trap of having synergies when they're dogshit and shallow

>>714450957
I understand it if you look at it from a "winning isn't everything" perspective and see it more as just a variety thing, but still a lot of these items are just so fucking pointless and not worth the time investment.

>>714451554
They're too afraid to allow broken combos that completely unbalance the game. That, and most roguelike combat is stilted and boring.

>>714451668
>It doesn't count because.... it just doesn't!
>Also I'm going to ignore other scenarios you are implying to present my own ones!
Very sound arguments. You wanted an answer, I gave them to you.

>>714451862
>literally zero argument
a game mechanic is LITERALLY not a run-ending anti-synergy
>B-BUTTTTT
I've gave tips on how to avoid getting fucked by your bad decision yet you choose to be intellectually dishonest

fucking brownoid zoomers I swear to god

>>714451554
Isaac has a good story. It motivates you to play the game, to learn about his past and his fears. That on top of the satisfying gameplay loop is its recipe for success. I can’t think of many other roguelikes with decent stories worth caring about. Hades was pretty good in that regard

>>714450957
>For some reason a lot of game devs don't realize that inflating an item pool is a soft nerf to all the good rare items
This is why later versions of RoR2 started losing my interest. There were items which did literally nothing without a synergistic item, there were more just dogshit useless items, but at the same time the new god tier items were so incredibly broken that you either won the game when you picked up something like Pistol Shrimp on Commando, or were stuck trying in vain to make a janky bleed Sniper work.

>>714450319
>says who?
are you being obtuse or something? do you think the mega popular wiki site + mods for the descriptors means nothing?

nvm dont bother lol

>>714448610
>>714448949
>pick up item
>"HP up + DMG up"
>WTF WHAT DOES THIS ITEM EVEN DO?!?!?!?!

>>714447807
>>714451049
Made me look at it
>The fetus tears do 75% of Isaac's damage, 3.75 times a second
A 2.8x damage multiplier (but even more as tears typically dissipate) with an inert piercing spectral homing effect.
For a Treasure Room item.
???

>>714454368
Yeah but its a level 4 item!

>>714452268
>a game mechanic is LITERALLY not a run-ending anti-synergy
The concept of death is literally a game mechanic that ends your run.

>>714454590
A kinda hate the introduction of "item quality" in Repentence.
Better than the previous system of forcing only one "Good" item. But unlike a game like gungeon everything is up to chance. Sometimes I find multiple high quality items back to back and I'm not excited because I know I just won the run, there's no longer any difficulty, no longer any purpose to play the game.
I also play a lot of mods and basically none of them get item balance right. Fiend Folio will put this shit in the Boss Room https://fiendfolio.wiki.gg/wiki/Chirumiru and at the same time say this shit https://fiendfolio.wiki.gg/wiki/Golem%27s_Rock is on the same calibur as Inner Eye.

>>714454368
in practice it feels way more than 2.8x on your typical run
specially with how many times it can activate effects, synergize with anything that ticks, shit like that

>>714451554
Noita surpasses Isaac, but thats because Noita is unique with a different style of appeal and qualities. Just like Isaac it has the best itemization in the genre, it gets far crazier
But if you want the typical/"simple" sort of roguelite then isaac is unequivocally at the top

>>714451748
not really
most of the problem with the inferior roguelites is that they are not mechanically interesting upgrades, and they cant get the game to break itself in actually interesting ways
coming up with the level of quality shit and interacitons that isaac has takes effort

>>714455178
>Noita surpasses Isaac,
Meant to write "matches"
Theyre two different games that arent really about surpassing eachother, moreso being at the apex together