Is EVE Online really this good?

Economically deep doesn't mean good

awesome idea, mediocre execution with apparently accidental moments of brilliance, dogshit devs

>>714450873 (OP)
>real world economics
It's just bots.

>>714451323
Just like the real world!

>>714450965
Okay but economically deep, big battles, and scamming is encouraged

>>714451089
I don't think you could get better execution though (other than the devs actually having accomplished the Dust and Walking in stations)

>>714450873 (OP)
>>714451619
>>714451323
Impressively so, indeed just like IRL, the game was good at the beginning, then it started to get competition, then it got super corrupt, where CCP was found actively injecting ISK and ships to certain player factions with favoritism, and manipulating the market. The game became a shitshow in the economics department and in the end, it's boring as fuck and only worthy if you're IRL rich and have nothing to do all day to bot multiple accounts with close people.

Wide as an ocean, deep as a puddle.

>>714450873 (OP)
>Nepo simulator

>>714450873 (OP)
>P2W
Nope

>>714450873 (OP)
It's carried by the resource->ship production line and social aspects, but everything else in the game is not worth noting. I'm talking about the PvE dungeons they keep trying to hamfist in.

Oddly enough despite my vehement hatred for all things crypto outside of Monero, their new game might be the one chance they have of making a fully PvP game. Where even the quests are written by players themselves.

>>714452498
damn chinese communist party they ruined our western mmo

if you have the autism and iq, you will do well in eve

>>714452658
Its really not

>>714452974
Glorious. Concord is my best friend.

>>714450873 (OP)
Interesting to follow happenings on YT, dogshit to actually play

>>714452983
>Can buy PLEX and Injectors
Its the most P2W MMO ever made shut the fuck up

>>714453096
B-R5B got me to start playing. Still one of the best stories of EVE

>>714453104
You probably never left highsec and tried to play it like a regular MMO instead of joining a corp like everyone tells you.

>>714450873 (OP)
Economics is a pseudo science and EvE went to shit the day they introduced PLEX. Also the "Economy" is just bots, player run but bots nonetheless. It might as well be NPCs.

chad game

>>714453240
Plex doesn't allow you any advantage unless you are paying 10s of thousands of dollars. Injectors are annoying and shouldn't be in the game but at the end of the day that doesn't matter either, it just allows you to catch up to others. Its honestly easy to buy both with in game currency as an alpha account.

>>714453263
i took part in that war, from a distance.. sort of
i was part of a small gang that was camping a gate at the time, and it turns out that gate would get a fuckton of activity that night, from pilots reshipping and moving back to system, and other pilots wanting to go take a look, from our small corner of the galaxy
we ganked plenty that night, and received ragemails of the like we have never seen since

>>714453585
Ok anon, you and me, 1v1 right now. I will spend $100 and you will play on nothing but a basic sub and lets watch you win.

Shut the fuck up.

>>714453585
>Plex doesn't allow you any advantage
>You can BUY ingame money that impacts EVERYTHING
>Not an advantage! You have to train skills to get ships and weapons!
>You can buy those too
You're a dumb nigger of the most niggerous dumbest variety

>>714453456
I love Cavill he loves 40k and EVE. If he was into halo and osrs he would be the model male role model.

>>714453650
Deal.

>>714453456
how many more famous people play the game?

>>714453681
He deserves it for highsec mining 4 jumps from jita. Wtf was he thinking? Also 3bil a month is terrible.

>>714451706
That's basically describing every MMORPG released prior to the 2010s that had an open market.
It's REALLY not as deep as you think it is.

>>714453881
he casually fleets with players called "popblues", he doesnt have the highest IQ

>>714453991
youd get banned in most pre-2010 mmos for that

>>714450873 (OP)
It was carried entirely by passionate devs that actually played the game who came and went, with more going than coming. The man up top is a greedy retard who surrounds himself with asskissers, so no matter how many EVE-loving autists they hire and then drive to despair, the game has always fallen far short of its potential due to executive fuckery.
I've lost count of how many failed get rich quick schemes EVE's profits went into while the game languished for years with content droughts and broken systems.

>>714453679
The thing is that 90% of the playerbase already has those skills and since they are siloed into individual ship/faction/whatever skills a newbie can catch up within days to frigates and destroyers or cruisers Money doesn't matter in EVE at an individual level and its easy to build. In fact most people who try to P2W get trounced because they don't understand the game.

I can start an alpha character and in 1 week i would be caught up in frigates and destroyers to the whale that spent all his money. A few nights of exploration and you can buy enough skill extractors to get your magic 14 and the week to skill into t2 frig of my choice. Sure i guess for a few days new player moneybags could enjoy beating a poor new player but within a week we are equals. Thats not P2W in a game thats been running for 21 years.

>>714450873 (OP)
>>714450873 (OP)
It's more fun reading about eve online than playing it.

But at least the devs pissed Pirate Software off, so they are alright in my book

>>714454196
for me, it was
>decide to invest in an FPS game that is tied into the main eve online game
>actions in both games have a direct effect on each other
>accept some kickbacks from snoy and make your fps game a ps3 exclusive, after the ps4 had already released

>>714453991
There are player run bonds, casinos, banks, and markets, prices are entirely set by players, all the goods are made by players, players have access to price history, who is selling, price comparisons and every station has a different market. Also contracts are allowed and a lot of other more in depth economic fuckery. NO MMO COMES CLOSE.

How do I play this shit on Linux?
Also the Frontier installer isn't working at all.

>>714455321
I would be playidust to this day if it was released on PC. I also don't know why they didn't tie it to faction warfare. Also why pay an Asian company to make it, go European, they make the best FPS games.

>>714453797
Thats amazing.

>>714455015
Pirate software was retarded and lied about the whole thing. He didn't burn down anything, he whined like a bitch and then people took his territory.

>>714455501
Frontier is different than EVE, people don't know if Frontier is a pump and dump game or not yet. Play EVE online first.

https://www.reddit.com/r/videos/comments/1lqt7y2/video_describing_the_overly_realistic_financial/
Post for people yoo lazy to search the name like me

>>714454196
If i had the money I would buy it and push for the original vision, walking in stations fps that interacts with the game and everything else.

>>714455775
I've been playing EVE Online on and off for 20 odd years.
I just want to try Frontier during this open beta to know whether it's worth my time; in terms of money I'm okay with paying $20 even if it only lasts 4 months.

>>714455015
yeah, that's my view of it too. tried it once as a teenager when it was somewhat new and realized quickly it wasnt for me. love reading about all the crazy shit that has gone down since

>>714456141
Okay just making sure. I just cant get my head around their goals with it.

>>714456410
You should try it again, as a teenager you were probably over your head.

>>714456593
From what I understand of it they want players to develop the game so they don't have to do it themselves.
EVE:O is basically already player-ran, so this is one step further.

>>714456690
It sounds interesting, maybe ill try it.

>>714450873 (OP)
The game scratches a certain kind of autistic itch. If you don't enjoy spreadsheets you won't enjoy Eve, but if you like them you will fucking love Eve.

>>714457079
I watched the tutorial video and read the comments https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WgyB9h_euhw
People are complaining about all sorts of shit like systems without certain resources, all the base building points being taken, 36-man gank squads on spawn points, etc.

>>714458275
God damn.

>>714458275
>>714458681
It looks better than i expected

>>714458798
>>714458275
Isn't it just a game like ark or rust? Not like EVE?

>>714459117
Looks like a mix of both? It plays like EVE but the initial mechanics involve mining and crafting shit and making sure you have enough fuel to not die.
I assume the late game will involve player corporations building shit together and fighting against one another just like regular EVE.

>>714459281
Hopefully but currently aren't they doing monthly wipes?

>>714459559
I assume that's what the "Cycles" are, but I don't know how often they happen

>>714459637
Hopefully those cycles eventually leave. Tbh I hope the long term goal is to learn from these and launch an EVE2 with new blood.

>>714453650
>>714453585
>>714453679
>buy skills
>buy an at ship and fill it with officer mods
>die the second you leave Jita anyway
Experience trumps gear outside hyper competitive AT shit. Skills all cap at 5 so one you have max you cant get any further and expensive shit just makes you a gank target

>>714459927
Yeah that's probably EVE's biggest issue right now, the current players/powers are so entrenched that there's not really much a new player can do other than remain low sec forever, get ganked, or have a connection to someone.
The cycles aren't going to stop the organizations themselves from existing (as seen by the 36 man gank squads) but at least it levels out the playing field a little.

>>714460183
New players just need to join a group and not try to play solo

>>714450873 (OP)
When you go to Orgrimmar, the Zeppelin overhead is coded in. The shop keepers are scripts, and not even smart ones.

When you go to Jita, you sell to humans, you buy from humans, you are scammed by humans. There's a player flying that mile-long cargoship currently eclipsing the sun, and for that matter the other 17 giant fucking scifi transports dotted around your screen.

It looks like something out of Babylon 5 or a Star Wars "crowd shot", but none of it is staged. Everyone is there for their own reasons, and you might never know what it is.

>>714460183
It wont stop out of game organising which means things will go back to the way they were pre wipe quickly.

>>714450873 (OP)
>MOST COMPLICATED
Its not.
Its Space Albion Online with a much bigger map.
That being said, pretty gud game but its not for everyone.
If planning shit carefully, doing your research on shit and using social connections to your advantage is your thing you'll love Eve.
If you're looking for a bing bing wahoo themepark MMO with quests and a story then Eve isnt for you. Its a sandbox so you need to be able to make your own goals and achieve them in your own way

>>714453585
This guy is 100% right.
Skillpoints and fancy ship =/= winning. People that swipe credit cards for isk/ships are usually the smallest IQ in the room and do it regardless of game.

>>714460469
Albian online is not nearly as complex as EVE and the economy is no where close to irl...

>>714460323
Jita looks so crazy now with the new design. Although I wish they had changed more things externally.

>>714450873 (OP)
Yes, but also no.
Yes, it is as good as you've probably heard.
No, you will almost assuredly not like it, the people that play this play it for entirely different reasons than you play games

>>714450873 (OP)
You mean "video describing what EVE online used to be before multiple rounds of developer intervention and introduction of pay to win shit." There's none of what EVE used to be like happening anymore, today to have two groups of players PvP you need to fucking schedule it instead of having it occur organically as a result of economic and political tensions. EVE has been sanitized and gutted four times over, each time introducing more and more cancer (Plex, ISK, devs meddling with player politics and playing favorites) until it choked the fucking life out of the game entirely, now the only ones left are sunk cost fallacy faggots that play the game by multiboxing six accounts.

Eve is not really a fun game before you get a corpo running with the boys. If you have a good group of people to play it then its amazing.

>>714463804
That would have been true 3 years ago. Its not true today.

>>714463902
You should never start off starting a corp. You should always join a corp then build your assets to start your corp with the boys. That is why it wasn't fun for you.

>>714463260
What are those reasons?

Dwarf Fortress and Space Station 13 competing hotly for the title of creating big epic tales that are actually gay and boring and mostly fake because the actual game sucks ass and no one enjoys it.

Nah. I played for a bit and most of the gameplay was tedius, a lot of progression was tied to waiting, and the full world pvp where you lose your stuff was just a big turn off. You're not even looking at the game's graphics most of the time, it's just dotted lines and triangles.

I play MMOs to go run raids with a guild and shoot the shit with the ocassional pvp event, EVE felt more like a second job where even social interactions were bureaucratic.

>>714450873 (OP)
Yes it is. It's an extremely polished space sandbox. It's very similar to real life too. You start as a pilot with nothing in a cruel and unforgiving universe and it's all about gaining power and making connections with people. You get the same kind of realism as you do with real life with empires, war games, spying, plotting, blackmail, it's really whatever you make of it.

>>714464724
Yeah it's hard to play EVE casually.

There is nothing interesting to do in the game

>>714450873 (OP)
I desperately wanted to get into this game but it's just way too boring.

>>714464183
The only thing that had changed is that the game became even more dead and even more sanitized.

>>714464724
Fair

>>714465405
Because you've never played

>>714465938
You don't play so how would you know?

>>714468024
I played exploration for a couple raids and felt like I beat the game after I got loot worth about 300 times the value of my ship. It's fun for maybe 10 hours and after that you've seen all the game has to offer

>>714450873 (OP)
can u be a rapist?

>>714468645
Exploration ships are the cheapest ships in the game. You made nothing.
>It's fun for maybe 10 hours and after that you've seen all the game has to offer
Ive played for 11 years and there are still parts i haven't touched yet.

>>714450873 (OP)
The gameplay is boring. CCP has for 20+ years focused development on media attention to keep the population up, because most people quit after a few months and don't look back.

>>714470167
Most people quit after a few months because they try to play it like a theme park MMO

>>714468721
No, closest you can do is neut their ship to make them immobile then trsh talk, bump their ship or kill them.

>>714450873 (OP)
Yeah it's pretty fun, me and my friend played it a while back, we were just a shitty thorn-in-the-side of low sec corps and our only goal was to be annoying enough to accrue a massive bounty, we were successful enough that a pirate corp let us join and bankrolled our new ships every time we got podded (several times a day)

>>714465405
thats a you problem
eve has limitless things to do, you just need the imagination to get started
i used to run a probe scanning school, was very popular, gave medals and shit out too

>>714462849
Eve's economy/market is cool but its mostly carried by its actual useful well-made market screen.
going back to other MMOs afterwards is actually fucking painful

>>714450873 (OP)
Doesn't say it's good, or fun. It says it's complicated.

>>714472013
That applies to real life too though. If I need to use my imagination to power the things I can do, I'll just sit in a corner and imagine things from scratch with far more accuracy.

>>714472013
How is that any different than going into, say, WoW and roleplaying you are a pelt seller despite there being no real utility or incentive to it?

>>714474896
wow is gay

>>714474896
there's actual supply and demand in EVE, new players don't know shit, big corps shit on new players, so new players are incentivized to join friendly corps that teach them and/or use them as cannon fodder basically

>>714450873 (OP)
>let people do what they want with their own resources and time(including working)
>its the same as what people do in real life
Shocking

>>714473591
except you'll just be playing with yourself, and that's a bit sad

>>714477701
Im playing with myself right now

>>714450873 (OP)
Best game I've ever played. Wish my friends played.

>game that's just bots and people multiboxing on 10 accounts
yeah fun

Yes. It's one of the rarest true MMO on market.
It's not P2W either. I mean feel free to buy AT ship and die against solo T2 Bellicose.

>Kept bouncing off Eve because I couldn't find a decent corp
>Finally found one
>Over the course of 12 months went from one account to four
>Been injecting Dread alts left right and center
>From 26b net worth to north of 300 despite all the isk i've sunk into dread alts
>Have considered but dismissed the possibility of injecting a Super alt

A good corp completely changes how you play Eve, it's incredible. Also being able to yeet yourself around with a Carrier is great.

>>714480905
I just don't understand how people make so much isk. I'm an f1 monkey, I would love to just have enough to buy ships.

>>714480323
and thousands of people

>>714480702
I bought a plex once and wanted to try out the game bought myself a hauler, and the skill to use it, cost 500m isk for the hauler alone which was most of what I got from the plex. Took it one jump with some slaves/drugs in the cargo and got it destroyed with no insurance
I sent an email and they gave me back the plex and basically said
>this is extremely rare and we won't ever do it again but you are exceptionally retarded

>>714450873 (OP)
it was until the devs fucked it

>>714480702
the game balance is ultra shit though. ships like bellicose may as well not exist

>>714481094
they follow some "meta" a youtuber told them

>>714450873 (OP)
Forced complexity because they have to fake 90% of the economy and player interaction in the background

A lesser-spotted EVE thread
Time to pepper it with cool shit to read

>>714481094
By joining a good corp aka getting the fuck out of Nullsec lmao.

I have a c5 wormhole farm. With 2 dreads I can clear the site in 10 minutes (2 siege cycles). Each site is ~640m, drifter and salvage included. I do about 5 sites an hour once you account for warping and waiting for the Upgraded Avengers to get into range.
While I do this I also have a scanner and a Carrier on standby to roll off any incoming connections.
I don't even make a lot of money as far as wormholes go, I don't krab much and I only have the single c5, people with a c6 or multiple c5's make way more.

The redpill for Eve is that Nullsec is unironically the worst space in the game. You can make more isk literally anywhere else, including highsec.

>>714481350
>ships like bellicose may as well not exist
Gmoney says hello. Bellicose is dirt cheap T1 cruiser that can kill HAC or T3 because people underestimate T1 ships. Just put XLASB on any T1 cruiser, even Moa, end go to valhalla. Hell even XLASB 10AB stabber is big surprise for blaster ENI.

>>714481094
You make more money in C4 than in null. So it's either WH, or playing for a long time in null and multiboxing thunders, 10/10 BOs packs, crabs or T6 x3 frigs.

>>714481894
your tales of killing the occasional retard doesn't mean the game isn't completely fucked
>HAC or T3
these can permatank you while asleep
>ENI
you might get it to 80% armour by the time you die

>>714482342
>80% armour by the time you die
>XLASB ab fit
Skill issue. Even shitters like Gmoney can do it
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGD8Gaa-XVc
Bellicose performs as it should for 40m T2 fitted ship.

>>714482342
T3's generally aren't great, HACs also generally suck. Active tanks in general suck outside of Marauders and VERY expensive Dread fits. Though the recent resist change helps.
When was the last time someone unironically flew a Zealot? Or a Deimos? Cerberus is alright, though not great and even with its shield boost bonus and an XLASB it's not very tanky. Sacrilege is awful, Zealot is awful, Muninn is useful exclusively in blobs, Vagabond has been powercrept into obsolescence. Deimos is unusable, Ishtar is good, Eagle is like the Muninn, blobs only.

All of them can kill most t1 cruisers 1v1, but a HAC costs 15-20 times as much as a t1 cruiser so that's expected, and some matchups will absolutely end badly for the HAC.

>>714481515
wew that was a read.

>>714482846
Vagabond and Deimos are strongest HACs though. Now with MWD bonus back Vagabond doesn't even need dual prop. Vagabond will stay MLGpro ship forever.

>>714482798

>>714483406
>Vagabond
>Shield tank with 4 mids
>No defensive scram because 4 mids
>No web because 4 mids
>only ~55km falloff with barrage at which point it's doing ~200 DPS

It's honestly just extremely mid. Cerberus can do the same thing with double the range, it can sling HAMs to 100km quite easily. The Vaga is faster but that doesn't matter because it has to be so damn close while having no defensive scram. We live in the era of Broadswords doing 10k m/s and being able to handbrake and light a cyno instantly the moment they turn off your prop.
Don't get me wrong, it's not the worst ship in the game, but it's much better for PVE content than nano gangs.

The Deimos is legitimately unusable and I have no idea how you could claim it's one of the strongest HACs. The MWD bonus doesn't matter at all when your MWD is off because you're scrammed, and your tank bonus doesn't matter at all because you're scrammed and you aren't tanking 10 Redeemers.

>>714482846
>T3's generally aren't great
care to explain why they're some of the most used ships then
>Or a Deimos?
faggots undock deimos and vagabond pretty often since they're effortless ultra hard counter to nearly any solo ship. you will see them if you solo in cruiser or bc
>a HAC costs 15-20 times as much as a t1 cruiser so that's expected
when it's just a ship with some more ehp and damage like most navy ships, it works out ok. you have a shot at outplaying them. but the cap regen, cap battery buff, and resists of these ships make permanent active tanks - some of the worst combat gameplay. see a soloer, undock your 1k stable active tank, approach f1 gg. no skill required for tank guy, no room to clever win for the other guy through damage mitigation, cleverness with resists or neuting

>>714452968
Russian players*

What's there to do in this game? When I tried you just mine shit and then what? You can't even move around inside your ship. Other than mining and combat what else can you even do?

>>714483869
Just watch iBeast streams on Deimos or Vaga, anon.
>MWD is off because you're scrammed,
Vaga is kite ship. You're not supposed to get scrammed. It's like saying Vedmak is bad ship because it dies to scram.

>>714450873 (OP)
>Is EVE Online really this good?
EVE is bad. The only time something interesting happens is when players decide to deliberately make it happen. You can play this game for 50 hours a week and get 5 minutes of adrenaline maybe.

This is why 'eve lore' boils down to
>nothing happened for 6 months
>then 1 day, there was a big fight
>then nothing happened for 6 months again

>>714484217
why would you choose to join a reddit bloc if you aren't a gaylord though

I played it until some time after Odyssey update, and I'm pretty sure the game is muuuch worse now, judging from reading about the game over the years.
It's unique experience that you can't get now though, same as Space Station 13 15 years ago.

>>714484608
>judging from reading about the game over the years.
EVE is dying since 2003.

>>714484200
>Vaga is kite ship. You're not supposed to get scrammed
You aren't kiting a proper anti-kite Broadsword. With no implants a 500mn Broadsword can do 10k m/s. Mid grade snakes makes it 13k, HG snakes and a good fit puts it up to 14.8k. They can scram you at 27km (that is to say, if they start at the edge of your falloff, they can scram you in 3 game ticks if they have good ping, 4 if not), and they can go from maximum speed to zero velocity to light a cyno in one game tick by using a two Zero Point Mass Entanglers.

These types of HIC cynos are the reason most of the people who used to fly AT ships have stopped undocking them. I know several of them, and I know for a fact that the CSM told CCP that allowing Cynos on HICs with ZPMEs would be an issue, which CCP ignored.

>>714484690
I'm pretty sure no newfags get into EVE now.
And any online game needs newfags to function.

>>714472490
True. The layout is amazing

>>714484692
>anti-kite Broadsword. With no implants a 500mn Broadsword
If you found one on the live server while not flying Titan or super or AT ship you should make a video.
>These types of HIC cynos are the reason most of the people who used to fly AT ships have stopped undocking them.
One of the latest AT death was from solo MLG pro pvper who planned to kill other AT ship. Second time actually.

>>714485350
>If you found one on the live server while not flying Titan or super or AT ship you should make a video.
I have three of them lmao. The fit only costs like 750m, worth every penny to have some sitting around just in case someone flying something expensive pops up. I will grant you that a large part of the Nullsec population still hasn't cottoned on to the fact that these fits are possible, but if you're actually taking proper fights and not just killing Ishtars it's not uncommon to see them.

Hell we had some dude do it in a Proteus recently. That was arguably worse because a 500mn Proteus still gets bonused Sentries.

>>714484608
>>714484792
You would be surprised

AT prize ships being not as viable as you'd like doesn't really matter

>>714484217
I get adrenaline every day playing... take risks faggot

>>714453585
Dude I played EVE for over a decade and buying plex to sell for ISK is literally pay 2 win.
Hypothetical
Two new same-skilled corporations go to battle staring with the same amount of funds. After several engagements each is low on ships. One has to scramble to earn enough isk to replace their losses. The other opens their wallet and is suddenly good to go with plenty of isk.
That is 100% pay 2 win.

I like EVE but can easily admit the game has flaws like that.

>>714485690
>it's not uncommon to see them.
It's pretty uncommon to see them. Logged off Marauder in ESS is even more common and they're basically anecdotes. Your 5b+ pvp shit will just die to normal blob. Zboard is the greatest proof of it.

>>714486184
>Logged off Marauder in ESS is even more common and they're basically anecdotes
It's absolutely not an anecdote. If you aren't seeing it, it's because you aren't playing in CNTZ. Tach Paladin at 200km is basically every ESS with anything significant in it.

>Dude I played EVE for over a decade and buying plex to sell for ISK is literally pay 2 win.
https://zkillboard.com/kill/122868462/
https://br.evetools.org/br/674a3c3b9c05700011c4de35
Why Frats didn't pay 2 win? How did this happen?

>>714472013
>you just need the imagination to get started
This is just code for the game has no content

EVE stories are always more interesting than playing the actual game.

>>714486184
>>714486427
these balance problems are bad regardless of whether you can easily find people exploiting them

>>714487206
what does that say about you

>>714487206
Nah. My corp is actively gangstalking a guy. We did some... stuff. So now we can see when he's playing games and what he's playing. Whenever he logs into Eve we track him down with Locator agents and follow him around.

>>714452974
Is there no cooldown on the time a player counts as a civ kill when they resign from their guild?

>>714487342
>balance problems
Well marauders are OP indeed but if you know the system with logged off ESS marauder...it's double edged sword. Free marauder kill and nullfags love expensive marauders. All you need a plan, the boys and jam.

>>714487702
ESS marauders are almost uncatchable, because they're typically 200km or so off and nothing smaller than a Cruiser can enter, and there's no MWD inside an ESS. At that range they can haze Cruisers easily and they're far enough away that they can drop bastion, MJD and warp before anything can point them. You can't cyno in on top of them because it's a deadspace grid.

>>714487702
it's still busted and gay

>>714451706
You forgot "functionally unplayable"

>>714488004
Doubt is a big issue for dedicated smallgang of 100ab nano autists. ESS bubble is 75km only after all. Plus marauder nullf players tend to not have any self-preservation instincts.
This is average null experience
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9W-HRHlz_Zs
t. nullbab

>>714489156
ESS marauders are mostly just annoying for solo/duo/trio. If you have an actual gang they're not an issue, but they're still basically uncatchable since you can't stop bubble them when they warp out unless you're a legitimate galaxy brain savant. It's just one of those annoying mechanics that's basically 'Fuck solo roamers'.

>>714450873 (OP)
For it to be any good you have to join a corp and then deal with stupid neck beard drama.

>>714450873 (OP)
>this good
Nowhere in your image does it state anything about being good.

>>714489528
>It's just one of those annoying mechanics that's basically 'Fuck solo roamers'.
sucks that they'll never fix these. and nobody seems to care

>>714453096
>all those horse penises lost, like tears in the rain

>>714486991
No the game has a shitload of content. What his comment actually means is that as a new player you know so little you don't know where to start. Thats why people say you need to join a corp.

>>714487402
Kek. Does he suspect it?

Boring aaah bot alt farm game

>>714484193
You needed to join a corp so they could show you the ropes. Mining is the worst activity in the game

Problem with EVE Online is that it's a conquered game. It has a sizable population of dedicated, long-term, organized players that effectively control the in-game world. They pay CCP and they've been paying, so they get what they want and what they want is to maintain control of the game. As a new player, you are fodder for them and only fodder, because that's how the game must be. They can't let a new player fuck up a veteran, that's not what the veteran paid for. It would be great if EVE pulled the whole retro-reboot server reset shtick and started a fresh world, but it would piss off their long-term supporters.

>>714489652
Just join the big ones. Im in a huge null corp and i don't even listen to comms. I just do my own shit while they protect me and provide me intel

>>714491825
He knows we're following him, he doesn't know how.

There definitely needs to be more good games where players can simulate society, but things shouldn't occur at the pace they do in real life.

>>714491873
Zoomer brain rot must be real. You have no attention span

>>714492102
Doesn't matter if they make fresh start servers. Vet sweats would just join them and seal club any new players with their years of experience.

God I wish I could into eve but I'm a literal retard

>>714492102
They need an EVE to start completely fresh and let the oldfags stay on EVE1. New players still thrive but not with ambition to conquer the galaxy, its more about having money or being good.

>>714492483
Join EVE, join either Brave newbies. KarmaFleet or pandemic horde go on fleets as an F1 monkey(dps ship that just follows orders). Itll be fun and as a literal retard you can learn the ropes in safety.

HOW THE FUCK DO PEOPLE MOVE SHIT AROUND IN THIS GAME.

>>714492805
invincible teleport freighters

every time i read about EVE it's some whiny bullshit about how it takes too much time but it's so epic and awesome but it takes so much time and we need to feel sorry for people who play it because they're spending so much time and effort on it

>>714492805
Courier services or courier contracts. Contracts work and cheaper than dedicated courier jews. If you're in alliance they have their own couriers.

>>714450873 (OP)
EVE Online isn't "good". It isn't even "fun" for most normies out there. It requires a very narrow type of mindset that has a very narrow type of heightened engagement and also requires a LOT of time to build ones character to do much of anything beyond piloting small-ish ships.

The character progression (and by a VERY tight association, your progress in the game) system is entirely dependent on your character learning skills in real-time.

For example, lets say you wanted to pilot a small frigate that can do easy missions and earn you a respectable amount of in-game money to help you down the line. Piloting said frigate (lets just say a Rifter) requires you to purchase a skill called Spaceship Command I and the skill Minmatar Frigate I

Learning both of those skills takes ACTUAL time. Spaceship Command I takes 8 minutes to train, and Minmatar Frigate I takes 16 mins. That's it. Thats all you need to buy a Rifter, jump into it, and fly. However, to fly, use weapons, use propulsion systems to make you faster, use armor and shield modules to increase the HP of your Rifter, to also use modules to change the resistances of your shield and/or armor, to increase the amount of energy in your ships capacitor for warping/afterburners/energy weapons/ECM/ECCM/sensor arrays, ALL of these things and all of the subsystems that are required to install AND use them also take time. And you need to buy and learn each and every skillbook for every facet of your ship.

To do all of the above, and to make your Rifter combat-ready to the point where you have even the slightest chance of surviving, you need to spend at least 1-2 days learning all of those skills.

To fly a destroyer, you need to buy the skillbook to command a destroyer, and all the related subsystems that a destroyer uses, and all the weapons a destroyer uses (in this case, the destroyer uses all the same weapons and subsystems that your Rifter does, but better ones). 1/2

>>714493423
did a person write this

>>714492483
Ignore the other guy, join a small group and learn how to actually play the game.

>>714492934
Hmm what?

>>714493062
How do they move shit?

>>714450873 (OP)
If you're a midwit, you'll never like EVE. If you have a 100+ IQ, you'll probably enjoy it.

>>714493423
Okay chatGPT. Hows life in new dehli?

>>714492102
I will never understand anons like you. They always have weird chunibyo dreams and solipsism delusions. This is MMO with full loot drop. It's a mirror of reality. Do you really believe that after server restart (You) suddenly will become some sort of warlord of EVE space holding entire regions alone and beating dirty boomers in the game about fleet battles? Because they don't have capital ships but you have one?
You still can affect entire EVE world google BFW-ZZ and what one slav did with random niggers. It cost him 2 trillions lmao.

>>714493423

2/2

So instead of needing Minmatar Frigate I to fly it, you need to learn Minmatar Frigate III just to be able to learn Minmatar Destroyer I, and so on and so forth. As the complexity of your ship increases, with bigger weapons, more powerful propulsion, higher-capacity energy reserves, even stronger sensors, even stronger armor and shield mods, etc, you need more skills to learn and pilot effectively. This can lead to weeks, months, and even years of time dedicated to learning to fly and use the biggest ships out there.

For you to learn how to pilot a Titan, the biggest fleet-ship in the game, you need at the very least 2.75 years sunk into letting your character learn all of the modules and subsystems, weapons, engineering, logistical, drone/fighter/bomber skills, and everything else.

Now, all of these skills CAN BE LEARNED without even being logged on to the game. The skill learning progression continues regardless of what you do. If it takes you a month and a half to learn the next level of skill you need for a new ship, you just set your character to learn it, and you can never log in for the rest of the time until that skill is learned, then log back in and TADA it's all done.

Now, extrapolate that shit to every single facet of what you think an economy would need to have. You need to learn all those skills too. And they all take time as well.

Complex != good. It's just very fucking convoluted and time-consuming and there is so much shit that you need to absorb before you even begin to understand how things work.

EVE Online is NOT a good game, but it's a good game for some people.

>>714493603
Small groups tend to scam people that new

>>714450873 (OP)
i wish i could play this game solo

>>714494041
Based

>>714494013
Hot, rainy, and there shit all over the sidewalk.

Could have sworn I saw you're mother rolling around in it somewhere, but you know how it is. They all look the same.

>>714494096
Just join a big corp. They are like countries not guilds. You join and then you play solo while in protected allied space.

>>714493874
Jump freighters, blockade runners etc. Knowing mechanics. Having connections. For example there is one dedicated multiboxing camper in Thera wormholes. You can just pay him and he will let you go. Yeah like IRL.

>>714494336
So basically I am fucked and forget trying to get good at it

>>714494464
what are you trying to move

>>714494551
I want to get good enough to basically move stuff where i want it without feeling like its a 50/50 chance of losing it. I want to do so in lowsec nullsec and eventually have a market alt in highsec that moves shit.

>>714494464
Not that anon, but not at all. Like other anons are saying, it's a reflection of real life. You can get to know people, who know people, who hook you up. Or you can join an alliance, use their couriers to get your shit from A to B, and then bolt once shit is done. Or you can contract a freighter to move it, have it insured against losses, and have your friends attack it, kill it, loot it (and the other shit that was in their cargo hold) then demand the insurance money back.

Insurance scams, piracy, legit business practice, it is all fair game. You get to choose how you get things done

>>714494830
Ijust need to figure this all out. I dont want to pay others if i can do it

>>714451706
>>714455439
They totally gimped the market years ago, you used to be able to run complex scams and active market PVP. Was pretty fun. Now gotta pay % order value every time you modify it and no margin trading? horseshit

>>714470862
No, they quit because there's legitimately nothing to do.

>ratting
boring

>missioning
boring, it's just ratting but with accel gates separating

>pvp
There is no skill to this, beyond being in the right place, having a better equipped ship, or having more people with you. The only fun to be had here is avoiding the last two as much as possible, which grows harder with every change CCP makes, because like I said, they're chasing injections of new players, it's not about making it fun for players.

>mining
boring

Now, your interactions with other people can be fun, but you would have more fun playing literally anything else. Playing Castle Wars in Runescape, with a few people you know, is way more fun than small gang pvp in EVE. What really drives keeps the strange people around is the feeling of gambling. CCP knows this, which is why they started shoving cosmetics down your throats. I remember when incarna came out, I knew this was coming.

>>714494779
>>714495248
You want to become a courier and make some money? Watch newmayer on youtube. Sadly most worthwhile EVE content on youtube is in fucking russian but you don't need subs to see how he moves things. Let me make some food and if thread doesn't die I can explain all mechanics you need to know to not get caught.

>>714495264
0.01isking was retarded "gameplay", even for eve. and margin trading was bad

>pvp
>There is no skill to this, beyond being in the right place, having a better equipped ship, or having more people with you

>>714450873 (OP)
Yes, for about 0.01% of your playtime

>>714495248
My advice for a fledgling freighter captain?

Learn how to mine, ship it from system to system in high-sec space and get a feel for how shit should work.

Then go and join a low-sec or null-sec alliance and see how they do it. Learn the ropes, ask questions, get buddy-buddy with couriers, make connections.

Hell, even just saying "Hey, I'm new to the game and I want to do X. How would I go about this?" will have players showering you in isk (in-game currency) to get you the shit you need to start yourself off. Some very generous people would probably spot you a couple million isk just for some play-money. Be curious, courteous, and appreciative and I can say with certainty that someone somewhere along the line will take you under their wing and show you how its done.

All of THAT being said, at the exact same time, trust ABSOLUTELY no one with shit that actually matters to you. You will lose things to pirates who will hold you ransom, to people who literally want nothing more than something to shoot at and blow stuff up. You will be scammed, and you should also be scamming others yourself.

You just have to be smart and stay ahead of the curve. Space is huge and not keeping your head on a swivel is the best and most surefire way to end your entire career because you trusted the wrong person.

>Unironic reddit screencap thread
Holy shit you should all fucking kill yourselves.

>>714495659
Get outbid son. I remember buying to figure out who the other market players were, adding them on an alt to watch their online schedule, stringing along with chats about their alliance or whatever, even making some agreements like "you take it this week I'll do next" or just straight up paying them to fuck off my items. Margin trading seemed to only be removed coz noobs cried about the unfulfillable buy order scam. At one point had a local SQL database getting EMDR feeds, parser for the local market data cache + in game browser JS to cycle loads of items to score good trades
All gone now there's no fun in the market

>>714496658
+ Just basic shit like baiting them with visually similar prices 96699 v 96999, took great pleasure seeing them fall for it and hit the order cooldown.
CCP panties too soggy about muh new player retention so NO FUN ALLOWED in the market

>>714496658
good riddance that shit's all gay

i know a good chunk of you EVE players are on foxhole now lol

>>714496065
>Learn how to mine, ship it from system to system in high-sec space and get a feel for how shit should work.
With what ship and what value should I stay under to avoid ganks?

>>714497119
Foxhole was fun in the vermin era

>>714453881
12 year old screenshot.
Pearl Abyss is selling CCP. The game is way past it's prime and is boring as hell 99% of the time.

>>714487675
nope, at least there wasnt when i last played (been a few years)

>>714497256
Depends on the race you chose, and you won't avoid ganks, full stop. You WILL be ganked at some point or another, regardless if you're in high-security space or not. It's just a fact of EVE. The only 100% effective way to never get ganked is to never undock.

Your chances of being ganked in high security space (1.0 to 0.5 sec status) is pretty damn low, but it is NEVER zero. Sometimes you'll get a pilot like me who just got bored, targets you, pins you down and blows you to kingdom come. Sure, I'll get destroyed myself, but that doesn't mean I didn't have fun.

This risk grows higher and higher as you leave high-sec space and enter low-sec space (0.4-0.1 security status) and becomes a damn near certainty if you travel with reckless abandon into null-sec space (0.0 sec).

Never undock with anything in your cargo hold that you are NOT able to lose.

>>714497256
mine in a procurer, and fit it with a damage control module

>>714497425
Its a good thing its being sold and its not done yet.

>>714450873 (OP)
I've played EVE online twice in last 12 years. Both times after about 2 days someone comes and blows my stuff up and laughs. Then I log out and uninstall.

>>714498024
I meant how to haul the ore

>>714494779
Okay.
First google about undock/dock bookmarks. This is mandatory. Undock bookmarks in trade hubs should be out of grid. It's a rookie mistake to make undock bookmark on grid. Take small frig, put giga mwd, undock, full speed without changing course, activate mwd, come back after 30 minutes.
Always warp to dock bookmark for docking in trade hubs. If you activate autopilot in the warp to dock bookmark you will automatically dock. You can clock on dock manually too.

Basically to be killed you need to be locked.
https://english.eve-guides.fr/index.php?article=105

99% youtube videos and random eve players will tell you that less than 2 sec align time is 100% safe which is not. You may never see hyperlock in your entire life but it exist and you can experience it in Rancer or Ahbazon yourself.
Nothing can catch <1 sec align ship and the only ship that can reach such times is Hecate in a speed mode with max align skill and few faction stabs (costs around ~300mil).

>>714450873 (OP)
No, it's a spreadsheet simulator where you can't do anything if you're not part of a massive group of people

>>714498272
>the only ship that can reach such times is Hecate in a speed mode with max align skill and few faction stabs

The Dramiel would like a word with you

>>714498126
bloackade runner with cloak

>>714498592
Did they change how Blockade Runners work? Do drag bubbles not affect them at all anymore?

>>714498740
just deal with them, stop being a bitch

>>714498272
Since I most likely will use freighter you can't reach 2sec so your choice is Cloak+MWD. This is the another counter to hyperlock as article said, but you need a little practice because you can fuck things up. You can't spam cloak. If you press wrong or have lag you will deactivate cloak.
Bloackade runners use covert ops cloak that allows you to warp while in cloak. Covert ops ships are $$$.
HOWEVER
Both cloak+MWD and covops can be countered by decloak. Skilled gankers can decloak bombers with impressive consistency. Some use abandoned drones and cargo trash but cluttering space around gates is reportable. Some use 300 Machariel and Praxies around the gate. Those are Ahbazon games.

Smartbombs.
They can kill your 1sec hecate or little freighter. Smartbombs packs consist of Machariels. More Machariel = more dangerous. Check
https://eve-gatecheck.space/eve/#Jita:Amarr:shortest
for presence of gatecamp or smartcamps on your route. Check your D-scan on gates. To counter smartbombs never warp directly from gate to gate. I you live on the edge and like to fly dangerously through systems like Ahbazon, map it with tons of bookmarks. Check
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WuzppVRVlcM

>>714499590
Web alt.
Webbing is decreasing your max speed = decreasing align time. Typical rookie mistake in pvp: you web someone without pointing them and they instantly warps out with "thanks bro" in chat. Basically you web your own ship in fleet. Google how to do that without getting killed by concord (webbing = attacking). This tech is used for big boy ships.

Jump freighters/big boys
It's not for newfags. You need cyno alt. You should know what stations are safe to dock and cynoing because size matters. You can be pushed outside of docking range by simply undocking.

Lance dreads.
You should experience this yourself (づ￣ 3￣)づ

couldn't you just tell him some basic information about hauling rather than this retarded deep autism

>>714500364
>basic information about hauling
Fly from A to B and never use autopilot . The basics of any space trucking.

>>714493931
EVE sounds like it's for those high IQ mensa types who don't achieve things in life but are easily amused by complicated games

>>714502864
Based game.

>>714502864
Yeah, basically.

But like those high-IQ types, many of them think so highly of themselves and overthink things to the point of missing the forest for the trees and forget just as much as they populate the game, the mid-wits every now and again will fuck them over with the simplest of ambushes/scams.

I'd know. I'd consider myself a midwit compared to a lot of the people I've played with in the years between 2010 and 2015, and I made well over $8000 worth of in-game money by fucking over the higher-ups of Goonsquad with a "I pinky-promise I won't sell your original blueprints of a T2 shield booster. I swear on me mum gais."

I figured at that point I was at the height of the most-wanted list and just never logged back in on that character, gave it to my alt and just sold it for cold hard cash.

Never logged back in after that.

>>714502864
in fleets it was a decent variety of regular dudes. and stop worrying about your low iq

>>714460323
And the best part? All those ships are controlled by the same guy.