I do not support the "Stop Killing Games" movement.

>>714454654 (OP)
wtf I love skg now

>>714454654 (OP)

>>714454654 (OP)
The least obvious gamingcirclejerk false flag

>NOOOOOO LEAVE THE BILLION DOLLAR CORPORATION ALONE
what makes someone think like this?

>>714454654 (OP)
nice reddit meme

>>714454654 (OP)
Based.
I miss when 8 ch was lively.

You lost r/GCJ

>>714454654 (OP)

This is you, OP.

>>714454654 (OP)
Kill yourself brown tranny

>>714454654 (OP)
I wish.

>>714454996
They are lemmings. Lemmings feel personally attacked when you arent a bootlicker because they base their ego/personality on being a an agreeable part of the herd.

>>714454654 (OP)
Go marry yourself.

>>714454996
No idea, but if they really botted votes on SKG, it's gonna be funny seeing them going from tonguing corporation ashholes to nigger assholes in prison for voter fraud.

>>714454996
People like to be contrary on here for yous

>>714454996
I could be the billionaire in the future

>>714454654 (OP)
The authors of this initiative are clearly retarded. They should've asked for
>software preservation
instead of just online games. In the latter, the proposal will hit some old boomer's desk and he will shred it saying
>We don't have time for games
but software? Even boomers know its value. The proposal will at least make it to the meeting list.

>>714454654 (OP)
Huh?

>>714454654 (OP)
this is excellent bait, lmao.

>>714461583
>They should've asked for software preservation instead of just online games.
based kotposter

>>714454654 (OP)
kek you just know some 45+ gaming jurno made this pic and thread

>>714454654 (OP)
blud really thinks linking SKG to GG is going to put people off in /v/

>>714461583
Legally speaking, they are the same thing. That said, I'm not aware of any major pieces of software that were sold as products, but terminated as services. Most major players in the software market like Adobe have moved to subscription-only models.

714454654 (OP) (Faggot)
retard
>>714461583
>software preservation
Too board and large in scope, you fucked up already. Better luck next thread, baiting retard.

>>714454654 (OP)
Too bad, you've already lost. Again.

Reminder Thor is spamming /v/, trying to link SKG with GamerGate as last resort to try and sabotage the movement.

>>714462398
Or this is good (You) fodder, considering every e-celeb thread happens to have the celebs there. When you have a furry anti-consumer faggot this big, it's easier to farm (You)s by saying you're them or to the contrary of the mainstream.

This is how to troll (act like a retard) 101.

>>714454654 (OP)
Is this supposed to make skg look bad?
Gamergate exposed the cancer that is gaming journalism and put things in motion that changed things way beyond gaming.

>>714454654 (OP)
Gaytorbros, we've been found out...

>>714459120
Anita owns you, gaytor.

>>714454996
Because the petition has nothing to do with billion dollar corpos and will absolutely destroy indie games and solo devs?

>>714454715
fpbp

>>714462604
>Is this supposed to make skg look bad?
Yes, pedos with a /hebe/ board make anything they interact with look bad.

>>714454996
because they hate you.

>>714454654 (OP)
First thread to make me want to support this movement.

>>714462497
What happened to good trolling. Are anons really this lazy nowadays?

>>714461583
this

>>714462856
Anons are just retarded now a days, and (You) earned is an epic win. It's either to save face or it's legit falseflagging to stir a virtual hornets nest. So retardation and autism.

>>714459834
Please keep your burger fetishes to yourself.

>>714454654 (OP)
It's obvious shit, games were killed by greedy jewish execs, mentally ill troons, and affirmative action shitskins and cunts injecting neomarxism into process and content of the games. No one will rally to save games because at this point it's "saving" jewish slop. All the neomarxists who cheered on injecting jewish shit into games will move on to the next trendy thing and you'll be left with indie games for the next 3 decades until you're too old to play games anymore. You wiill never play a good new game

>>714454654 (OP)
Nice try, but the real goal of the campaign is to
>kill game stop
It's rather obvious once you arrange the words.
>fucking gamestop

>>714459834
I don't quite see how that would be possible when it requires an electronic ID.
>>714461583
Boomers are the retards who will keep even firmware proprietary and not provide downloads.
If software preservation crosses a boomer's desk he'll phone up his official puppet hand (soon to be lodged firmly inside of his asshole) and ask for the corporate line he should toe.
Major corporations like Autodesk or Adobe thrive on buying out their competition and killing their service (such as softimage), so they have a significantly more vested interest in killing anything that gets close to preventing them from doing that.
Of course the ideal law would just dismantle the current defunct system of software patents and copyrights that simply doesn't work.
>>714461989
There's quite a few products with former "lifetime licenses" that cancelled support and enforced subscriptions.

>>714461989
would lifetime licenses renegging not count? i had a lifetime reneg once, can't remember what for though, maybe trillian

>>714454654 (OP)
Wow a one sentence statement it really changes how I feel about corporations taking all my bought games away.

>>714463165
Your account goes into the trash where it belongs when the servers shut down. You never owned an online only game to begin with. You get what you deserve.

>>714462706
ah yes of course, its indie devs that release live service bullshit, how silly of me

>>714461583
Software preservation is already legal under EU law. It's just a legal gray area how much you're allowed to modify a piece of software to preserve it.

>>714463318
There's plenty of indie MMOs, forcing devs to make a second, offline version of a game can bankrupt them.

>who the fuck cares
>what a terrible idea for a petition
>it will never work
>it will never reach a million votes
>you know you're being tricked, right?
>Thor has the right idea
>I'm actually NOT voting
>nothing will change even though it got a million votes
>you KNOW most of these are botted, right?
>you are stupid for voting
>it should actually be about SOFTWARE preservation

What's the next cope point?

>>714463510
>>714463496
>giving out the source code for a dead game will bankrupt the company!

>>714463318
Literally all of the Dragon Fable and Adventure Quest franchise.
RuneScape started as an indie game and was one for years.

>>714463510
>pirate killed the petition
>we need 6 million more votes to counter the bots
>>714463594
>give me the source code so I can make bank selling the best items in the game on my epic server bro

>>714463594
Neck yourself GNU/male/leunuch.

>>714463686
>no I told you I'm not a company shill, I'm just uuuh a libertarian, you fucking communist!

>>714463787
Go back to downrgrading your dogshit dinamically linked troonix os before you beg people to give you quality code for free. Gay commie trannoid.

>>714463972
>I will die for Putin, Xi and Microsoft, you fucking troon!

>>714464091
Leunuch bot broke. It must be the dependency hell due to dinamically linked binaries. Three decades down the gutter, and all you got to show for it is troonix being India's desktop of choice. Great job faggots.

>>714464235
look jason, I know you're angry because people mock you but maybe you should just kill yourself

>>714464426
Cope harder you dickless troonix loser.

>anime girl pastas
>blatant bait
>attempts at derailing
>demoralizing and "why bother???"
>"you're commies!!!!"
>"STOP STOP STOP the EU is going to make things worse!!!!!!!"
>"hmmm you want devs to support games forever????" and other bullshit that has been asked and answered 1 million times already
>"this is not vidya related go to /pol/"
>dumping actual CP
>when that doesn't work, dumping nude selfies and gay porn
>"this entire thing is reddit"
>"there's no way this goes before EU parliament, signatures will dry up at 1 million"
>"these signatures are all botted"
>DDOSing
>"you just want to profit off of poor devs work"
YOU ARE HERE:
>"EU parliament will dismiss this"
>"shouldn't we be focusing on more important things like [insert other political talking point here]"
Every single thread. You can tell they are absolutely panicking and seething lmao.

>>714463963
>a direct threat than not being able to own anything you buy

>>714463496
>indie mmo
such as?

>>714464520
It really is outstanding how much they're scrambling

>>714463963
>normies have come full circle and are unironically using the word dork as a pejorative again
it's only a matter of time until dweebazoid makes a comeback

>>714454715
fpbp. throw all discord groomers in jail

>>714454996
trannies who depend on them to groom children for sex

>>714464510
stop fucking your ferrets

>>714454654 (OP)
game journos already lost and most of them are unemployed now

>>714463159
If they didn't give you your money back, that would still be a violation of SKG principles.

>>714464672
>stop raping my sacred panguin
You don't deserve the server source code because you didn't earn it. Now go dilate before the wound closes for good..

>>714463963
Bold of you to assume I want future video games.

>>714464786
what does this have to do with you raping your ferrets to death?

>>714464849
>what does this have to do with
Cope harder troonix fag. Dlls mog your worthless existence.

>>714461583
Small steps. The initiative invokes consumer rights to keep the shit they bought, EU can extend it for all software.

>>714454654 (OP)
(you)

>>714464890
but really, stop raping your ferrets

this was standing still for 9 months, what the hell happened? a second wave of gaming youtubers covering it?

>>714466501
>you can't use this program anymore because you just can't okay?
>the trannies breaking abis is actually a good thing, and you don't need more than one version of a library anyways
Stallman is a jewish pedophile who lusts after childer.

>>714466528
Pretty much. Ross responded to Pirate's dismissal of the petition, and combined with unrelated drama regarding Pirate's antics, it got traction on youtube

>>714466606
I agree. What does this have to do with you raping your ferrets to the point of bleeding out to death?

>>714466726
>I agree.
So you agree that you don't deserve anything such as server source code, troonix tranny faggot?

>>714454996
Literally the only common factor between Americans and Indians is their slavish devotion to corporations. The very notion that a government is there to govern, instead of handing out gibs to niggers and waging endless wars, seems insulting to them.

>>714466853
No, I agree that Lunux sucks lmao
The source code should be given, that's a given

>>714466920
Not happening. You won't be selling items for cash on the ingame store, so you better find a job instead. You will wait for an old school/classic release of a game, and you will buy an account again.

>>714463627
Funny how all of your examples have private servers, which means they are completely unaffected by SKG.

>>714467046
Nah, I think I'm gonna get that sweet source code and you won't be able to stop me lmao

>>714467257
Delusional troonix tranny, many such cases.

>>714467313
you understand you can bump a pro-SKG thread without shitposting, no?

>>714467430
>xhe doesn't know

>>714467519
I know your mom really well lmao

>>714463686
Private servers can already do that. Source code wouldn't allow you to beat authentication checks. Do people just not know how things work.

>>714467050
>DF has private servers
God damn, thank you based anon
Gonna go relieve some memories

>>714454654 (OP)
Stop drinking chet

>>714467653
>Private servers can already do that.
Yeah because they use a reverse engineered server as a codebase, you dumb nig. How are you gonna set up a scam if there are no servers for you to compile and then edit the database of?

>>714463686
>give me the source code so I can make bank selling the best items in the game on my epic server bro

Who the fuck cares if someone is profiting from your dead game?
You no longer support the game, you no longer have it officially available, in stores.
That's you throwing something to the garbage can because you don't want it., someone goes there and takes what you threw and you yell "THIEF!"
It's a dead game no one is profiting of. Who cares what basements dweller is doing with your game?

>>714467920
>Who the fuck cares if someone is profiting from your dead game?
Nigger reveals himself. How mad are you that you can't sell cars in the crew for real money because no one reverse engineered the game, faggot?

>>714454654 (OP)
>Louis Rossman talking to that software architect who's critical of SKG
>"You can just make the software available it's proprietary to Amazon's servers!"
>"Why can't we just go back to how they used to do it?"
>"WELL WOULDN'T THAT BE NICE? BUT WE DON'T LIVE IN A PERFECT WORLD!"
What the absolute fuck am I hearing?

>>714463686
Making profit off of the intellectual profit would still be illegal and clear-cut cause for both cease&desist and monetary compensation.

>>714463594
>dead game links an internal library that another (alive) game uses

>>714468262
Yeah sure, it's not like all these niggers host the servers in Russia or anything. They wipe their asses with cease and desist letters and are running businesses.

>>714468061
>calls me a nigger for wanting to make money from a dead game
Better be a nigger for that than to be a faggot deep throating corpo dick.
Literally there is no loss for the publisher bc you no longer sell your game, oficial servers and support gone. Can't even buy online. But you think this is harmful
because... just because
Don't tell me, you also think emulating dead games, abandoware is also immoral?

>>714468084
literal
>UH WE CAN'T GO TO THE MOON EVER AGAIN BECAUSE WE LOST THE TECHNOLOGY
>UUUHM THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS PLANNED OBSOLESENCE IT'S JUST THAT OLD THINGS WEREN'T USED THAT MUCH THAT'S WHY THEY NEVER BROKE DOWN
arguments

>>714468337
good thing that we can modify said library if we have the source code!

>>714468381
You won't be selling best items on your nigger store because it will never happen, and you can cry about it.

>>714454654 (OP)
Harry, I already signed the initiative, you don't need to sell it to me

>>714468501
not the concern I was alluding to, which would be obvious to you if you had any idea what you were talking about

>>714468084
>>"Why can't we just go back to how they used to do it?"
Because 1000 times as many people play these things now and they're all over the fucking planet.

>>714468613
>he didn't get my implication that his concern was already being taken care of
not gonna make it

>>714454654 (OP)
It becomes obvious that it’s a grift once you see who supports it.

As with all EU regulation, it will be selectively enforced and extremely obtuse, not to mention bloat the budget by hiring bullshit enforcement committees and the goons who will scour the internet looking for "infringements".
It's just going to add a bunch of extra work to release your shit in the EU, just like the cookie popups and "accessibility" features on websites.
Giving the players more power should be a conscious choice by a developer, and the developers who fuck players over need to be ignored. That's the only way to create a truly sustainable system.
You don't HAVE TO play their temporary online-only slop, for fuck's sake.

>>714462706
Elaborate

>>714468656
They make 1000 times as many dollars now from people over the fucking planet too.

>>714462681
*owes me sex
FTFY

>>714468656
I don't really give a shit if it's harder.
When you make live service games you should be required to provide an end of life plan.
WAAAAH I HAVE TO MAKE MY GAME BARELY FUNCTIONAL AND I CAN'T JUST ERASE IT FROM PEOPLES' LIBRARIES WAAH

>>714469031
Is your point that everyone running an online game should build and maintain their own global network of data centers?

>>714454996
>In order to prevent billion dollar corporations from exploiting customers. Let's create laws that will also affect low level business, and even potentially set a precedent that affects any business from any industry. What could go wrong?

>>714469403
Elaborate

>>714463396
It's not much of a grey area anymore.
There has been a court case in iirc Belgium where a reseller for complex CRM systems was depending for a particular client on connecting up with an older product that turned out to have some bugs with it preventing a succesful integration. The outmoded product's vendor no longer wanted to support it with any bugfixes, so the reseller ended up decompiling the code - fixing the bugs - and then sold the instance of the modified software to their client.

The original vendor tried to sue them over it; the courts told them to go fuck themselves: this was legal - even commercially selling the fixed up product.

>>714461815
It might make mods kill the threads since they're so scared of GG

>>714459834
>botted
You can't bot that shit, retard. You need to use an ID card reader and plug your card and its code inside of it to vote.

>>714469416
Not in the mood today. Already had this argument with you SKGgers a few times before. We never come to a conclusion, because ultimately, you don't care if property is private or not. You're ok with the law forcing people to relinquish their property. That's ultimately what it comes down to. You feel entitled to property that you don't own.

>>714454996
>Thinking a fucking petition changes anything

There's literally only two things that make change happen in the world. Money or violence, and I got bad news, we're broke and giant pussies

>>714469416
he believes indie developers can't run smaller scale local instances despite this being easier than relying on a centralized servers set up for mass multiplayer

>>714469569
So you can't elaborate, that's fine
Nobody ever seems to be able to

>the crew
kek dropped
should have used some other game as an example instead of ubislop

>>714469609
I've elaborated numerous times before. But if you want to feel morally superior, then sure, you can say I'm incapable. I don't care that much. You win, I guess.

>>714469668
I appreciate that, thanks
I've been doing a lot of winning lately

>>714469336
No, everyone running an online game should utilize additional revenue to develop end-of-life solutions for their games.

>>714469584
this isn't a normal petition, dumbass

>>714469569
>You're ok with the law forcing people to relinquish their property. That's ultimately what it comes down to.
You genuinely believe devs have to use locked down third party software they don't own to make their games run at all, and thus this would need to be stolen from their owners and given to consumers to make games playable
You're the most retarded person in this thread

>>714454996
Hard to say which side of the argument you are referring to
>Corporations don't need government meddling to ensure EoS schemes. The market will force companies to avoid this practice once it proves unprofitable and anti consumer.
>Corporations need to be forced to release server kits for online or multi-player games. This needs to be codified into law because Corporations will not do anything for the consumer unless forced to.

I try not to present buas here but I don't like the skg because it all hinges on some imagined game to fit the worst case scenario. What game that exists with the online only feature really is worth preserving? Suicide Squad? Maybe Lawbreakers, yeah, that's a keeper.

>>714462809
Why would anybody hate white people?

>>714468084
>What the absolute fuck am I hearing?
An idiot talking. Rossman's so-called software architect comes off as not knowing even half of the subject matter being discussed.
As an actual software engineer myself, it was damned painful to listen to it and see Rossman being fed incomplete explanations, flat-out wrong explanations, and the occasional half-truth or full-on lie - with him not having the background knowledge himself to know that this was the case.

But that's going to end up fixing itself shortly, I think - as in Rossman's own community several other people that turned out being software engineers have already begun speaking out about the guy not knowing what he was talking about.

>8.14% buffer before midday
damn, even if this slows down, I can still see the future were this isn't going to hit two millions by the end of July

>>714469763
They don't have to... but they did. If you don't like that they did, then you don't have to buy it.

>>714469818
>You shouldn't own your games because I don't like any of the games that are most susceptible to being stolen
wow, bulletproof

>>714468656
>1000 times more people
= 1000 times more potential servers ran by the community
>all over the planet
= Servers can be closer to players instead of relying on the rented datacenters across the globe.

>>714469403
No small businesses are running live service slop, dude

>>714470038
And to prevent it from happening in future games, the law doesn't have to allow you to exploit grey areas to steal from people
Learn to cope

>>714468084
its just laziness

>>714470105
There's nothing gray about it. They said that you have to be logged into their service in order to play their games. Clear terms.

>>714469289
>When you make live service games you should be required to provide an end of life plan.
Sure. Ross suggested in one of his slideshows that one such acceptable plan could boil down to "release packet documentation and remove anything active impediments to fan efforts to make a private server". I think that's reasonable as a minimum that you could actually expect to enforce.

>WAH WAH WAH I DON'T CARE HOW SHIT ACTUALLY WORKS I JUST WANT TO CONSOOOOM, SAVE ME EU MAN
It's so funny to see Louis Rossmann actually ask a guy who has any idea what he's talking about to weigh in, and all people do is seethe because he says it's not as simple as some clueless retard Youtubers said it is.

this is who is against SKG

>>714470206
>It's in a eula so therefore the company is allowed to do whatever they want
Unironically the world would be a better place if everyone like you was purged

>>714464235
>>714464890
I have never, ever, ever heard the argument that the hell that are Microsoft's DLLs (everything: implementation, binary format, gestion) is a gold standard. It's, quite frankly, an absolutely fascinating argument of pure insanity, like trying to understand a point of view so crazy it comes back full round into being puzzling.

One of the only thing Windows and Linux devs or sysadmin agree on is that Windows DLLs are a mistake. From a dev pov the format is overcomplicated for no adequate reasons, prone to huge security holes, and from an admin pov the fact that Windows has no software manager means they're often copied 100 times over the system, defeating the purpose of having DLLs to begin with. It's a mess. ELF is often considered the sane way to do it, in comparison, and the Linux distrib style packet managing a gold standard of how it should be done.

>>714470350
who?

>>714470412
jason "the gnomed" hall

Gamergate won
And more to come

>>714470393
>dynamically linking binaries is sane
>everything depending on everything is sane
>breaking an ABI with a single update is sane
This is why you troonix is a joke, all the fags who preach about it are retarded. You should kill yourself leunuch.

>alright, you all have amassed enough signatures, let's hear it
>hello?
>oh um you in the corner there
>NEPO BABY IN SHAMBLES! NEPO BABY IN SHAMBLES FUCKING A FERRET
>huh
>YIFFING IN HELL
>sir?
>MOLDY ROCKERS IN THE HOUSE TONIGHT
>where did we put the loophole shredder again

>>714459834
>botted
No, it just recieved a massive boost in bipartisan support thanks to algorithms pushing it to the public eye. Even normie news outlets are talking about it. Literally every Euro from nearly every demographic who cares enough about video games is going to support SKG.
>homosexual discord trannies on bluesky
>hitler1488 /pol/chuds
>fat soifaced redditors
>grandparents who got asked by their sons to sign their petition
>algorithm addicted zoomoids on tiktok
>xitter drama addicts
>antishipper homestuck/omori tumblroids types who make ugly fanart
>4chan /v/ermin contranarians
>politicians who want to milk SKG for free goodwill
>anyone who wants to spite thor
>anyone who wants to spite shitty vidya publishers
You literally have a movement that everyone's on board with regardless of their background. A harmless movement for video games. Of course that shit is going to skyrocket with enough attention because it has a common enemy that everyone hates.

Not only that, any EU politician looking at it is currently rubbing their hands knowing they can easily milk this for free goodwill at no cost to their careers. It's not like the publishers are going to lobby a politician enough for him to push against SKG, so said politician would happily throw them under the bus in order to appeal to gamers and get their votes.

>>714454654 (OP)
>gamergate bad
Send new nudes, Zoe.

>>714469569
> You don't care if property is private or not. You're ok with the law forcing people to relinquish their property. That's ultimately what it comes down to. You feel entitled to property that you don't own.

EU consumers do own their copies of a videogame.
The European Court of Justice decided as part of the line of reasoning applied in answering prejudicial questions for Usedsoft vs Oracle that what consumers buy is the copy of the software as a good, and that thus the rights of the manufacturer over said copy are exhausted - giving rise to the possibility of second-hand resale. They decided this applies EVEN in absence of a physical carrier medium, i.e. that it applies to pure digital sales - in which case you have ownership rights over the ephemeral bytes themselves.

Moving on - the EU Charter states in the first paragraph of Article 17 that all private possessions must be protected and a person can only be forced to part with them strictly under those limited cases allowed or required by law, and only in exchange for fair remuneration. Its second paragraph states intellectual property shall be protected, but it does not qualify that in a way that would make it impede on the first.

In short - the EU deems intellectual property rights such as those on software held by its publisher, as second to private possessions such as a consumer holding a purchased copy of said software as their possession.

>>714470356
It's not hidden in the EULA. All live service games tell you that you have to be logged in to play their games directly.
But if you feel like they're still not direct enough, then I'm all for advocating to make it clearer. Would you agree to a message that pops up during the game's title cards that explains the terms? maybe give it some bells and whistles to alert the player?

>>714470827
Nobody cares how strongly you tell people you're going to fuck them
No real person supports your corporate bullshit, go back to rimming sony execs

>>714454654 (OP)
Oh so now you people are pro gamergate? When it was happening you all were against it. You said that any problems would be solved if we ignored it, and threads about it were banned.

>>714470908
And here it is.Like I said. You guys really don't care about property rights. You just care about getting what you can get for yourselves.

>>714471013
You can keep lying about it all you want, you will keep crying that your attempts to steal from people are universally opposed, and we all get to watch

>>714470827
>Would you agree to a message that pops up during the game's title cards that explains the terms?
Wouldn't change anything. Terms of contract that a consumer could not reasonably familiarize themselves with before entering into contract are deemed unfair terms and may not bind a consumer, i.e. you can either casually tell the other party you're destroying those terms - or if they give you lip about it, bring it before a court and have the judge annul them.

>>714471013
>companies should totally be able to brick the products I purchased whenever it suits them

>>714470350
Is that really a dildo? Looks more like some goofy sculpture
Has anyone found the store page for it?

>>714468449
>UH WE CAN'T GO TO THE MOON EVER AGAIN BECAUSE WE LOST THE TECHNOLOGY
That ones actually true, fucking nixon

>>714470350
and this is who supports it

choose wisely which side you stand with

>>714471156
Confirmed Garden Gnome in that picture, but look at the colouration compared to the ones in the outdoor shot. That isn't natural.

>>714471013
>how dare you greedy bastards want your rights enforced
>you are stealing from me personally and that's evil
you talk like a personification of a company

>>714469668
The resolve of the anti-SKG everyone.

>>714469336
You don't need a fucking global network of data centers for a game with a 2-5 digit playerbase

>>714470751
Intredasting. I read your post a few times over. If I understand it correctly, you argue that you're due a copy of the game. But you can't argue that you're due to the server side files that your game interacts with. As those are separate components.
Think about it like this: you purchase a novelty puzzle box. You can't solve it. But you can go to the company's website, where they have the solution there. So you follow their guide, solving your box. Years later, you're playing with your puzzle box again. You forgot the solution, you go to the company's website only to find out that it's down. You're not smart enough to solve your box, so it remains unsolved.
You still own the box. You just don't own the component that you needed to solve the box. It's not on the company to hand you a downloadable copy of the solution.

>>714471306
The /interracial/ and /hebe/ board?

>>714454996
Being an amerigolem.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golem

>>714471526
>Have everything to solve the box on my own, it might take some work
Your analogy needs some work, this would be like one day the puzzle pieces started disintegrating because the company no longer exists.

>>714454654 (OP)
Yes, Gamergate was correct and so is skg. Gamergate will be remembered as a pivotal moment in history. Ethics in gaming journalism matters.

>>714471107
ohh, right right. So a better solution would be like one of those medical ads. Where at the end, it informs you of all the side effects. "this may cause nausea and diarrhea. Do not take if you're pregnant". That kind of thing.
But in the game commercial, it will go like this: "Must be logged in to play. Service may be shut down at any time."

>>714471526
Biggest pseud I ever did see.

>>714454654 (OP)
Gamergate wanted to kill games
Stop Killing Games wants to save them

>>714454654 (OP)
Compering SKG to GG will only make it look betters
It is like Gamergate without /pol/ retardation or culture war stuff

>>714454654 (OP)
Gamergate was 11 years ago let it go

>>714471526
>you argue that you're due a copy of the game.
No you're due a working copy of the game
If server files are going to be included it up to the company, it just needs to work in the same way it did when you purchased it (without the original fanbase)

>>714471767
No SKG-chan so nothing even imageboard about it.

>>714467050
>which means they are completely unaffected by SKG.
They aren't. Private servers are in a legal gray area at best, and illegal at worst. The devs of DF/AQ/AQW would need to do one of the following:
>provide a server themselves
>patch the games to work offline
>officially remove copyright protection from their servers to legally allow reverse engineering of the server-side logic (this is currently illegal or in a gray area, depending on the country)

>server binaries mean gamergate
The absolute state of corpos.

>>714471767
>>714471849
What would SKG-chan look like? A younger female version of Ross?

>>714471614
You think that your puzzle pieces disintegrated, because you mistakenly think you bought components that you didn't buy. It's like you thought you bought the solution to the puzzles box, when you didn't. So you mistakenly think the solution was taken away from you. When it was never sold to you in the first place.

>>714471150
>I NEED to buy the always online slop I know is going to get bricked because... BECAUSE FUCK YOU, OKAY?!

>>714471904
Female Gordon Freeman in a blue HEV with the logo on it?

>>714471953
>When it was never sold to you in the first place.
Well now it's going to. Tough luck huh?

>>714471150
you didn’t buy a product
you purchased a license for access.
learn the difference.

>>714454654 (OP)
wtf I love Stop Killing Games now?

>>714454996
contrarianism

>>714472009
I'll see if there are any drawfags that can get onto this.

>>714472110
No we purchased a product >>714470751
We're not Mc'mutts like you

>>714469453
Fixing bugs is different from recreating proprietary servers which are not licensed to you. Check the actual Directive 2009/24/EC. The legal conclusion of it is the following:

A client being non-functional because the primary service it requires no longer exists is not actually covered by that directive. You're licensed the client-side of the video game, but are not given the rights to the server. The server and it's logic is still considered to be copyrighted and a trade secret. So, recreating the server logic, even if it would make your game functional, is not considered explicitly legal according to the directive. Even under the condition that the server runs on your PC and is only serving itself locally to your personal game client.
Even remaking the client to spoof server logic would technically not be fully legal (at least according to that directive, I'm not sure if there's any other law which would allow you to do this)

>movement is led by an American
>Without any hint of irony or shame, Euros still seethe about the best country in the world
Pathetic!

>>714472227
you are perfectly able to resell your licence to another person, just be sure to tell them that its for a game that is non-working so that you don’t break any consumer laws.

>>714470827
You don't understand, it's not about the corporation saying how things are, it's a matter of forcing the corporations to change how they do things.

>>714472503
aka being a government bootlicking socialist cuckold

>>714472434
If it's so great then how come he moved to Poland?

>>714472542
>bro if you don’t let big corpos do whatever they want you are a cuck
Do people fell for this?

>>714472565
Cheaper to live among europoors and to spread freedom

>>714472542
It's a matter of being part of a democracy.
You must understand, the lynch mob is the democratic action par excellence.

>>714472745
you can simply not purchase the product
that appears to be beyond you

>>714454654 (OP)
I have yet to see the professional industry shills make that connection.

>>714471904
Gaytor James

>>714463496
Does gacha games count? I'd love to bankrupt anyone who's ever touched a gacha game.

>>714472818
>just vote with your wallet lul
Somebody muzzle this nigger already, he refuses to think.

if you're going to fall for bait trying to discredit the movement, at least write "sage" in the options

Lolberts stay losing

does gcj ever win? They just lose all the time and then come here to seethe

>>714472949
Your movement is composed of a bunch of virtue signaling redditors and twittertrannies all congregating in Ross's groomcord..

>>714473065
>says the corpo cock sucking e-celeb worship furry fan faggot planning 'le ebin falseflags' on a furry retard who uses a voice changer's Discord
L
O
L

>>714473130
You should blame your efather for putting the link on the SKG website. Cope, seethe & dilate Rosstranny.

>this whole debacle has virtue signaling retards now backing MALDavius when they hated his guts a year ago
fucking funny

>>714473253
you should blame you being a furry faggot on your failure of parents

>>714473279
How come all of you project and blame everything onto pirate? Is your dick broke like jewsh's?

>>714463112
>when it requires an electronic ID
it doesn't

>>714473360
>corp cocksucker
>furry e-celeb worshiper
>and it's an ESL
HAHAAHAHA

>>714472503
That other anon who called you a bootlicking socialist cuckold wasn't me, the anon you replied to. But I share his sentiment, to a less harsh degree. I just think you guys are approaching this the wrong way. The reason I'm in favor of making the always online terms more up-front and in people's faces, is for the fact that it allows people to make the choices they want to make. It's open and honest.

>>714473448
Tell broke dick josh to do the needful and pay up that $5k that he owes.

>>714472434
>led by an American
It's actually led by Europeans
As he said he literally can't do shit since he doesn't even have citizenship. He just hopes Europeans actually doing this will do what he imagined
Why are you Americans even involved in this is bizzare since these laws won't even affect you. You probably won't even be allowed to use these game since you actually are only buying a license to use the game instead of the actual game

>>714473526
>ESL screeching at his deep lore boogeymen, likely more e-celebs
who, Pedro? Speak English taco taco burrito burrito Pirate will never fuck you, faggot

>>714472948
>ad hom as soon as he faces an argument that defeats his
concession accepted

>>714473582
Calm down foxdick sped.

>>714472948
I think he meant you don't have to play the game. If you don't like the practice, then don't play. It's not about change. It's about personal accountability. You can't force everything to conform to your will. Sometimes you can only control what you do for your own peace.

>>714473649
Do you use a voice changer too when you imagine your dragon dildo wielding e-celeb is pegging you, furry fuck?

>>714469505
Ross literally said the signatures have been spoofed, hundreds of thousands of them.

>>714473630
>taco taco burrito arriba arriba *insert buzzwords here*
YAWN

>>714472110
I bought the product.
Buying the product doesn't mean you bought the license but it means you own the copy you bought.
I paid 60 bucks for this unit, It wasn't a rent. I own this copy and it is my right to have complete access to it for as long as I desire because the publisher who sold me that, sold it under that promise.
No company is saying they are renting you 70 bucks game. If they want to play that card, then make it clear to the consumer you don't own the unit you bought, even if you paid full price for it.

>>714473716
Is that what jewsh does when he looks at neko shota?

>>714473718
He didn't
He actually said he doesn't believe anything about this until it's actually shown

What's fucking wrong with sharty zoomers?

>>714454654 (OP)
I'm already sold on it you big dummy.

>>714454996
They're american, they like getting fucked in the ass by corperations daily

>>714473656
Yes, it's easy for us to disengage, but then the shitty practice keeps going and corpos get to keep milking the retards that have no self control.

>>714469505
not all countries have this you silly man

>>714473798
speak English Pedro

>>714469818
>What game that exists with the online only feature really is worth preserving?
>Translation: Art isn't worth preserving if I don't like it
I have been following SKG since its inception and to this day, I have not seen a single fucking cogent, valid argument against the movement.
Actually I take that back. "the FAQ is bad" is valid. That's it.

>>714473871
No....
All eu countries have to have this

where does Maldavius find all of these furry ESL retards to defend him?

>>714473923
You're a gay pedophile. Understand foxdick?

>>714473130
>>714473065
Excuse me, guys. But here's something I just noticed. That private policy link. I clicked on it, and it gave an only moderately long private policy.(Still too long for *me* to bother reading) But then also, couched within that private policy, are 10 different policies and terms of uses.

I find this very ironic, because earlier someone was arguing that couching terms in tedious ELUAs isn't fair. Yet, you have to read 11 tedious terms and policies, just to interact with the SKG's discord server.

>>714473810
>the signup rate spikes up during the night in EU
Yeah I'm sure it's not being spoofed at all.

>>714473869
But it's just about video games. What real harm is being done. If you were talking about systemic oppression, I would be like "yeah, maybe we should force the issue". But you're talking about not being able to play dick-butt online anymore. Who cares?

>>714463686
We get it you want attention

>>714454654 (OP)
SKG will never pass because of the extra burden it will place on the indie developer community.
>Many marginalized developers—whether part of the LGBTQ+ community or working in underrepresented racial or ethnic groups—operate in environments already strained by limited resources, smaller teams, and systemic barriers to funding.
>“If these proposals become law without nuance,” said one Zurich-based queer indie dev who wished to remain anonymous, “we could be forced to release server code or build fallback systems we don’t have the budget for. Larger studios might weather that. We can’t.”

>>714473994
>ESL linking kiwitards, still not making sense, still not speaking English, still defending his gay pedo streamer while projecting
L
O
L
Pedro
PEDRO
just stop

>>714473954
It's been almost a year now since I signed so I don't remember how exactly it went but I do recall that I didn't have the reader on hand that day so I just filled in a few blanks.

>>714474014
I don't sign up for Discord servers
wow easy
LOL

>>714474054
Nice job moving that goalposts

>>714474171
That's what *I'm* saying. Just to sign up for always online games.

>>714454996
Years and years of red scare and pro corporation propaganda

>>714474138
You're sperging out.

>Americans when consumers get more consumer rights

>>714474216
Nice job ignoring the obvious signs.

>>714474171
That's what *I'm* saying. Just don't sign up for always online games.

>>714474250
>n...no..y..you *incomprehensible gibberish about shit that is not relevant and random e-celebs*
lol Pirate's strongest soldiers; unmedicated ESLs

>>714461583
nope, ross talked about this too in one of the videos. the EU already has legislation on software, and last time there was a chance to stop this shit video games were exempt. Boomers don't understand vidya is software like any other they are stuck in the mindset of vidya being "toys". SKG presents to the boomers a clear case that they can't ignore or run away from anymore. If it was written as "software" chances are vidya would be exempt again.

>>714474298
Nah, corporations can fuck off. That works for me much better.

>>714474279
What emotion is that face supposed to convey?

>>714474326
Now you're even stutterposting. You're so gay bro.

Is your country doing his part?
https://stop-killing-games.keep-track.xyz/

>>714454996
Bro no you don't understand, this is going to hurt small indie developers. An industry plant with two failed indie titles that worked as a WoW janny said so

Yes, those abundant small Mom&Pop indie developers running live service titles. You may think you're only inconveniencing titans like Blizzard or Ubisoft, but you're actually creating an impossible, undue burden for small time solo MMO developers so uhhh you can't have basic consumer rights sorry

>>714474404
sorry, I'm not like you and your furry gay e-celeb as much as you wish I were, Pedro. In words you can understand: taco taco taco no burrito

>>714454654 (OP)
Leftoids defending multi billion dollar corporations lmao

>>714454654 (OP)
False flag

way too many corpo bootlickers itt

>>714474170
Reader on hand?
I don't know what that is. You either post your ID number from your card or you use the electronic online ID. I used my ID number and it said it's valid.

>>714474483
You're a sped sperg.

>>714474123
Wake up, Mike.

>>714474510
what I wanna know is why one of the corpo dick riders is spamming shit about Kiwifarms
what the fuck does that have to do with anything

>>714454654 (OP)
So this is the desperate tactics of the enemy, dredging up a literally decade old relic and pretending SKG is like it even when it's nothing like it.

>>714474515
I signed it last week and literally just had to put my name and address, nothing about ID or anything. The info you put in depends on what country you're from

>>714474542
Pirate will never fuck you, no matter how many corporate dicks you fit in your mouth online

>>714474361
I think she's happy and telling everyone about this win.

>>714454996
Leftoids see these companies as the primary promoters of their propaganda and ideology, an attack on these companies is an attack on them, a rejection of it is a rejection of their world view
In short, Leftoids are corporate bootlickers and defend multi billion dollar corporations because the people against said corporation might be slight to the right of center, which to them means you’re Hitler

>>714474557
OH NO IVE BEEN IN A COMA SINCE I WAS A BABY AAAAAAAAAA

>>714474542
>sped sperg
Why do you type like a faggot, faggot?

>>714474503
Happens more that you'd think.

Lolberts try not to be underage challenge (difficulty: impossible)
>>714474623
Challenge failed

>>714474609
You're a literal faggot, man.

>>714474617
>Muh imaginary leftist boogieman

>>714474714
>n..no Y..YOU LEAVE MY LITERAL GAY FAGGOT STREAMER ALONE
Loving
Every
Laugh

>>714454996
Republicans

>>714474760
Speaking of faggot streamers, can you explain what did jewsh mean when said that he had a gay phase?

>>714473468
Then my reply to you is the same as my reply to him, >>714472813
You may not like it, but the masses disagree, and the mob has more power than your morals.

>>714474852
I don't know or care because I don't watch streamers at all gay faggot furry-kun
Q.E.D. fucktard

>>714474617
Somehow I doubt they're the ones calling everyone commies in SKG threads.

>>714474910
If everyone you don't like pirat adjacent?

>>714454654 (OP)
It won't pass anyway. Donald Trump will impose more tariffs for unfairly targetting American companies. Europe will be stupid if they want to anger him even more.

If gamergate comparison could work, it should be done months

Why are there so many obvious shills against this?

>>714475105
Why are there so many obvious shills for this?

>>714475063
English ESL
ENGLISH

>>714474510
Some say that the reason people defend billionaires, is that they secretly think that they may become rich one day. someone coined the term "temporarily embarrassed capitalist". In my opinion, there's some truth to that. Everyone sees themselves on an upward trajectory. So one day they might be subject to the laws that are levied against the millionaires and billionaires.

But I think there's another similar concept. And it has to do with IP. That people defend IP holders, because they secretly think that they may create something of value one day. To be honest, that's what I am. I fancy myself as a creator. So when I look at laws that inhibit the rights of creators, I'm very wary. It's not bootlicking. It's ensuring that my rights aren't encroached on. It's securing my path. You could call it bootlacing.

>>714454654 (OP)

>>714475151
Autistic faggot.

>>714475143
Because this is a video game board and we care about videogames?

>Piratesoftware’s reputation is destroyed
>Karl Jobst lost
>TheQuartering is broke
>DSP is getting felted
>iDubbuz’s reputation is destroyed
>Hassan is being shit on
>Destiny is facing legal troubles
>MisterMetokur has been reduced to gargling Trumps nuts and talking to VTubers
>Nick Rekieta has lost his entire support base and is a drug addict on probation
>Grummz outed as a weirdo degenerate
>Styx is possibly going to jail
Is 2025 year of the eceleb grifter downfall?

>>714474617
tell me you have never actually interacted with a "leftist" and get all your information about them from /pol/ without telling me

>>714474575
falseflagging as always

>>714475105
some of them legitimately can't hold in their mind the idea not all laws are bad

some of them are american and think that if the government does something then it is communism and it is bad, even if the result is good.

the rest are probably russian bots driving factionalism up

I NEED TO PLAY THE HEKIN CREWERINO

>>714475165
I would call it faggotry.

>>714472818
>you can simply not purchase the product
>bro trust me the market will correct, trust the market
gaming market should be culled. too many people have access to creating games, and now soulless individuals are flooding every genre with asset flipped slop
>remakes and remasters are what the market decided on
>live service games are what the market decided on
>gatcha and microtransaction heavy games are what the market decided on
how come I never bought into the games yet they're profitable anon?
the people are retarded and so the game industry should shrink. if SKG helps the industry, I'm all for it, if it hurts it beyond repair that's even better.

>>714475203
we don't sign our posts here, Pedro

>>714475282
imagine this much of a shill that you purposedly missed the point

>>714475237
>no real scotsman fallacy
I'm gonna have to decline.

>>714475364
>you're missing the point
>never actually says what the point is
every time

>>714474617
How and when the fuck did we go from Libtards being anti-establishment to Conservatards being anti-establishment?
Like holy shit you actually have no idea what side you're on, do you?

>>714473770
>because the publisher who sold me that, sold it under that promise.
>No company is saying they are renting you 70 bucks game.
yes they do.
read the license agreement. its either on the back of the box as a URL, an insert inside the box, or is shown to you when you launch the software. you bought either a digital license or a disc with certain resources on it. you do not own any of the assets, models, scripts or code. you bought a license under certain terms.
>>714473751
>more ad hom
cope and seethe

>>714472818
the problem is that by destroying a work of art and preventing people in the future from ever using it again, including those that bought a second hand copy, you are damaging people not involved in the sale.

Since the damage is experienced by a third party, that is the definition of a externality, and thus the price mechanism cannot fix this issue. Externalities are to be solved by the state.

>>714474601
I think you signed a fake website mate
The signatures are checked before going to the eu
If what you said is true then they have no way to verify what is spoofed and what isn't in the first place

>>714475261
More power to the EU is an unequivocally bad thing. Good intentions are nice, but the ruling elite of the EU is not gonna give a shit about those. They're gonna twist it to benefit them and only them while depriving you of more freedom.
All in the name of your safety, of course :^)

>>714475143
>the video game board can't discuss the future of the video game market

>>714475478
there is written that is a perpetual license that can be revoked at any time. if that is not the definition of evil, i don't know what is

>>714475478
it's not an ad hominem when you truly are a gibbering ESL retard, retard

>>714471748
>Gamergate wanted to kill games
fucking retard

>>714475338
if the vast majority of people continue purchasing games despite its alleged consumer hostility, and have no issue with the practice, maybe it’s you that is the problem.

>>714475451
>the crew is the only game that had/will have this issue
Concession accepted

>>714475532
>local american cannot comprehend the concept of an actual democracy, equates european union to american parliment in confusion

>>714475532
and yet, i can now charge a iphone with my android cable.

>>714475595
cope

>>714454654 (OP)
You lost.

>>714475502
You can literally go to the site and see for yourself. I don't know what to tell you

Reminder it's thanks to the EU and Aussies that Steam even got any "basic consumer rights" that everyone here jerk off valve because of.

>>714475451
Nobody is engaging with you because you will argue in bad faith, like you have been for the past week.
It's really that simple.

>714475564
>everyone is the south american boogieman I invented
lmfao
>>714475479
Games are not art. They are walks in the park, a softball game with your friends, a trip to an amusement park. They are just things for entertainment to pass the time.
>>714475548
Then don’t agree to the terms and don’t purchase or engage with games with terms you don’t agree with.

>get invested in Piratesoftware and shitting on him
>decide I’ll finally visit kiwifarms to look at discussion
>look in his thread for about 15 minutes
>the userbase are completely insufferable, unfunny, and bitterly angry
Jesus Christ I heard the site was bad but I didn’t know it was THAT bad? Who browses this shithole?

>>714475735
so what you're saying is that you NEED TO PLAY THE HEKIN CREWERINO

>>714459120
lmao wtf, this is so pathetic.

>>714454654 (OP)
STOP THE COUNT!

>>714475659
Apparently this is depending on the country. Sweden apparently needs shit like SSN and bank details.
Seems crazy, but at least those ones are valid. Can't really fake those.

>>714475824
For once I have to fucking side with Piratesoftware because of how fucking cringe kiwifarm users are.

>>714475743
no, the act of playing it the entertainment. The game is the tool of how you generate the entertainment. the act is ephemeral, but the object generating the entertainment is not.

it is like if art galleries destroyed all works of arts a year after they sold them so that people would come and buy the next

>>714454654 (OP)
Who cares, I want my games to stay playable

>>714459120
>I was just pretending to be retarded
is this woman down syndrome?

>>714459120
holy shit, this is so sad
well, anyway

>>714471316
Might be darker due to higher humidity. Might.

LEAVE.
BRITNEY.
ALONE.


*ACK!*

>>714475824
not being glib but what exactly did you expect terminally online fat retards who gossip about internet celebrities all day every day of their lives to be like?

>>714475824
>>714475915
this
i’m with piratesoftware now, these kiwifags are clearly behind the smear campaign and mass shilling for SKG

>>714475853
>all bots
>guys we need to get to 2.5 million signatures to win

>>714475915
I’m not doing the amerifart mindset of saying “WELL DAT SIDE BAD SO OTHER SIDE GUD”. Both are terrible for vastly different reasons

>>714475853
>EU-petitio

>>714475637
>resorting to cope reply
lmao corpo bootlicker everyone

>>714472949
They're desperately DESPERATELY trying to cause a divide between americans and euros.

>>714475915
>I will side with a complete retard gay furry with a voice changer because of a website with retarded people on it
seems legit and a very organic post

>>714475982
Russian bots most likely. We need boots on the ground in Ukraine and Israel or else the economic terrorists will win

>>714476017
cope

>>714476006
What is that image? :v

>>714475932
Excellent, so when I buy a ticket to a musuem, I should be able to look at the art for as long as I want, I should always have access to the art regardless of any entry fee, and the museum should provide me with a method of recreating the art at home when it doesn’t have the painting anymore?
Nice argument bro.

>>714476062
Fucking skeletons.

>>714476096
:O bona fide

>>714454654 (OP)
>YOU
>YES YOU ANON THAT WE NEVER ASKED BEFORE
>YOU MUST SAVE VIDYA JAMES
>JUST SIGN THIS PETITION
>WHAT IS IT ABOUT? NOT TELLING
>DO IT FAGGOT
>THIS IS NOT ASTROTURFING, DO IT

>>714454996
The "Agent Smith" effect.
Otherwise completely normal people, doing their inane day to day life, will suddenly snap into an alternative pre-programmed persona to defend the system at costs, even getting physically violent at times.
The system is against them, but they do not know or care.

>>714475532
Did you say the same thing when EU forced Steam to give refunds?

>>714454996
Clapoids have been fully mindbroken into the slave mindset. Their only joy in life is trying to drag others down with them.

>>714476087
>Excellent, so when I buy a ticket to a musuem, I should be able to look at the art for as long as I want
retard

>>714475532
You Maga Americans are so deranged about the eu that you'll support Russia murdering Europeans just to attack the "eu elite". Eu is a mix of good and bad like every government but it's certainly less deranged than you.

>>714476042
Concession accepted.

>>714476087
>the museum should provide me with a method of recreating the art at home when it doesn’t have the painting anymore?
you know right you can go to a museum with a canvas and copy a painting? you know right that after the museums there is usually a place where you can by smaller copies and book of the paintings that you have already seen?
you know right that museum do tell you that you have to be out of the building by night and do not suddenly revoke your ticked with no reason? You know right you can buy a painting and if you do buy it, it is your in perpetuity.

if games become like regular art stuff, it is a win

>>714476087
You know that museums are physical things right? And games are virtual right?
If I had a picture of your mother on my hard drive I could jack off to it whenever I want, whereas a picture of your mother on a museum wall will get taken down for its hideousness in one day

>>714476186
Maga americans are all mix of pajeets and beaners so of course they wanna attack the white people.

>>714476259
cope

>>714476170
The analogy is sound.
You buy a ticket to a museum for a limited period of time to engage with something.
You buy a license to a game for a limited period of time to engage with it.

It’s precisely the same.

You are not entitled to force the museum to provide you a method of recreating the art at home.
You are not entitled to force the developer to provide you a method of recreating the gameplay experience when support ends.

>>714476293
Concession accepted.

>>714476337
cope crewtard

>>714476371
Concession accepted.

>>714476330
>The analogy is sound

Nothing of value is in this thread
Observe this 7

>>714476087
Yeah except you're buying the ticket with the knowledge that you have to leave when business hours end, which is posted on the front door (and sometimes google maps).
Show me on my $50 copy of Overwatch where it says that the servers will close on October 2nd, 2022.

>>714476396
cope

>>714476435
Concession accepted.

>>714476330
We are not yet entitled to that.
Fortunately, that's going to be changing soon.

Narcissistic sociopath, hypocrite and a habitual liar with zero shame, guilt or self-reflection. I'm talking, of course, about Zoe Quinn, who else?

>>714476330
When you buy a ticket to a museum you know you have until end of day to view the items.
When you buy a license to a game you have until ??? to play the game.
Do you see the difference?

>>714476467
cope

>>714476536
Concession accepted.

>>714476536
Next person to say cope is a double nigger

>>714476264
> you know right you can go to a museum with a canvas and copy a painting?
you will be thrown out, especially for art pieces that are still under copyright.
> you know right that after the museums there is usually a place where you can by smaller copies and book of the paintings that you have already seen?
which aren’t equivalent to the actual art installation you saw, and are LICENSED copies/recreations.
> you know right that museum do tell you that you have to be out of the building by night and do not suddenly revoke your ticked with no reason?
any establishment can eject you for any reason. it is private property.
>>714476274
>Your momma jokes
you must be 18 years or older to browse this site.
>>714476416
>reaction image without refutation
concession accepted.
>>714476431
> Show me on my $50 copy of Overwatch where it says that the servers will close on October 2nd, 2022.
The section in the agreement (that you agreed to, you did read it, right?) about license revocation and superseding. >>714476515
Read the terms of the agreement. You did read them, right? You wouldn’t just agree to the rules of chess then say the other person cheated when you lose, right?

>>714476553
Next person to say concession accepted is a triple jew

>>714476608
cope

>>714476608
tranny

>>714476416
Is that based Bobby? I remember the two more weeks and Bobby's finished threads. Fuck Blizzard devs, fuck Blizztrannies, Bobby stays winning.

>>714476637
Concession accepted.

>>714476608
seethe

>>714454654 (OP)
We support Gamer Gate here, tourist-kun

>>714476608
dilate

>>714476629
>hurr de durr consurstions accoopted hur de durrr
everyone that uses this Facebook tier buzzphrase is a moron who lost the argument and you've just proven it again kek

>>714454996
you can't really say that while posting a nintendo related picture

>>714462706
it will not since mostly don't fucking use servers and forcing us to connect to them since we're getting their games locally. you're talking about 0.24% of indies. lmao

>>714476712
If you don’t make an actual argument, you don’t get an actual response.
Go scream into your pillow about that

>>714476629
>Read the terms of the agreement. You did read them, right?
Yes, but the point is that a term like
>We give you license to use the product until we say you aren't allowed anymore
should not be legal, and under existing EU laws there's a good argument to be made that it isn't legal, but nobody's made a stink about it before so it just exists for now.

>>714476629
why don't you like owning things?

>>714476506
I don't think I ever saw Thor and Zoey in the same room together.

>>714476629
>it is private property
educate yourself again on >>714470751
I'm not buying a ticket to the museum to look at art, I'm buying a copy of a painting that sits in a museum.
>museum analogy is so sound its muted

>>714462808
stop being a toursit newnigger

>>714476796
why do you like forcing people to hand over their private property?
because you’re a government bootlicker.

>>714454654 (OP)
There are fags unironically trying to pull this shit

>>714476831
>stop being a toursit newnigger

>>714476879
newnigger normalnigger etc

>>714476629
>Read the terms of the agreement.
Oh, the thing I can't read until after I buy the game? The thing I can't read until after I plop the disk into my PS4 or Xbox One? That one? The one that nobody who bought a physical copy of Overwatch has access to before the sale? Is that the one you're referring to?

>>714476820
Educate yourself again on >>714472461, which received no response because it completely destroyed you.
>>714476775
Then why didnt the EU go after them before if, quote:
>under existing EU laws there's a good argument to be made that it isn't legal
They went after Apple, Google, Microsoft et al for phone chargers, web browsers, etc. Why not this?
Oh wait, because it doesn’t break EU law no matter how much you seethe.

>>714476845
>why do you like forcing people to hand over their private property?
i don't, i like that when things are sold and bought in perpetuity, it means in perpetuity.

but that is beside the point.

why don't you like the idea that if you buy a software in a one off exchange of money, you should be able to run the software forever?

>>714475982
>>714476036
>look at me i am contrarian

>>714454996
I dont know what the fuck "stop killing games" is, so this is a bit unrelated, but I seriously hate that argument

Like, imagine someone is trolling here saying stuff like "SEGA ARE A BUNCH OF TRANNIES AND WOKE ASSHOLES!" and if you tell him "fuck off retard" they reply with "LMAO BOOTLICKER"

Or less exaggerated, if someone says something that isn't true about a corporation why the fuck would if be wrong to say that its false because "you cannot defend a rich corpo", like wtf.

>Nintendo/sony/capcom/microsoft has sent a C&D to someome who did nothing wrong!
>no, that shit aint true, I have a link that proves that person was guilty
>"OMG LEAVE CORPORSTIONS ALONE!" Lmao bootlicker!"
jesus fuck

>>714476935
Pedo kike ni/gg/er.

>>714474114
>appeal to triviality

>>714477012
>>>/pol/

>>714476772
>Go scream into your pillow
sorry, what you and you dad did is no concern of mine

>>714477089
>>>/blackedgov/

>>714476971
And that's why there's a petition to change the law, dumb dumb.

>>714471192
What exactly was lost?

>>714476971
>which received no response
because it's completely retarded.
when have you ever bought software that doesn't work? Advertising one thing and selling another is illegal here, you know? If you advertise a fully working product and sell a non-functional one, you are liable for lawsuits and are breaking the law. Any studio advertising a dead and buried, non-functional game is already bankrupt and not at all relevant to the conversation. You're grasping at straws here

>>714477152
they accidentally destroyed saturn 5 rockets schematics during spring cleanings one year

>>714477128
schizo kike

>>714476963
We don’t post selfies here.
> The thing I can't read until after I plop the disk into my PS4 or Xbox One?
URL on the back of the box.
> The one that nobody who bought a physical copy of Overwatch has access to before the sale?
https://www.blizzard.com/en-us/legal/08b946df-660a-40e4-a072-1fbde65173b1/blizzard-end-user-license-agreement
its been available at various URLs ever since WoW came out.
>>714477113
>/v/ users literally only have your mom/your dad jokes and saying nigger
You must be 18 years or older to browse this site

>>714477243
>You must be 18 years or older to browse this site
then why are you here, junior?
>HURR DE DURR CONCURSIONS ACEEPTED LOL

>>714476971
>Then why didnt the EU go after them
I told you, because nobody has made a big deal about it before. EU directive 93/13/EEC is about unfair terms in customer contracts and it states this:
>acquirers of goods and services should be protected against the abuse of power by the seller or supplier, in particular against one-sided standard contracts and the unfair exclusion of essential rights in contracts
SKG partly wants to bring this into spotlight, that these EULA's should not be legal

>>714477242
Kill yourself /hebe/ ni/gg/er pedo.

>>714477217
Accidentally or ((accidentally))?

>>714477243
Terms of service are not legally binding even in the consumer rights desert wasteland that is America. GG EZ
Nothing you say can make this untrue.

>>714477313
accidentally i think. there was nothing particularly interesting on the moon anyway, so i don't see what anyone would have gained from ((accidentally)) doing it.

>>714477202

> Advertising one thing and selling another is illegal here, you know?
yes, be sure to make clear when you sell your license that it is for an expired product.
> If you advertise a fully working product and sell a non-functional one, you are liable for lawsuits and are breaking the law.
the product worked at the time of sale and for a period of time after. When the service is sunset, sales of new copies of the product are discontinued.
> Any studio advertising a dead and buried, non-functional game
no one said this, you made up an strawman and attacked it instead of the actual argument. and yet you accuse me of grasping at straws. learn what words mean before you use them.

>>714476971
I'm the one that >>714472461 responded to
I didn't respond to it because it's a retarded point.
Maybe I actually can sell it, I haven't checked the law. But I don't think you have any clue either so your fuckwit point was ignored.

What's up with the ongoing trend of crying about battles you already lost?

>>714474718
>the current state of shills is: leftists are just imaginary now

>>714462681
India owns you glowie.

Name one game that is
1. Unplayable today
2. Would be playable if SKG's proposals were in effect
3. Is worth playing

>>714477315
>>714477285
> Terms of service are not legally binding even in the consumer rights desert wasteland that is America.
that is for the courts to decide as part of a lawsuit. Many courts have declared certain terms as non-binding, other courts have determined certain terms as binding. It is on a case-by-case basis. I suggest reading more case law instead of cherrypicking ideas you agree with. You are calling for a law to ban thing you don’t like instead of establishing legal standing in a courtroom as part of a lawsuit. Again, you agree to the rules of chess then scream the other person cheated when you lose.
>>714477274
>still no argument
it’s so easy to make you look stupid when you do all the work yourself.

>>714477626
>Wildstar
>Pre-reforged WC3
>Heroes of Newerth

>>714477626
worth cannot be defined.

>>714477626
With the amount of threads it gets spammed in this board alone?
Spec Ops The Line

>>714477024
We're weigh two sets of rights. One is for the people who own their own creations to have the rights to keep their creations. Even if consumers *perceive* that they have the right to own it. Do they really own it?
The other is for consumers to have access to what they think they bought. Even if the creators perceive that they can gate people off.

So ultimately, we have to decide which is the weightier issue. Because the purchasers are only purchasing video games, then their issue is in fact, too trivial to outweigh the issue of creators safeguarding their creations.

>>714477243
You can't sign your rights away because you clicked a box under a Terms and Conditions textwall. You have no argument.

>>714477626
>haha I put 3 there so I can call every game listed shit and claim I won haha
fuck off retard

>>714477682
>that's for the courts to decide BUT NOOO STOP DON'T PASS A LAW STOP IT STOP IT
lol

>>714462706
>billionaire corpo dev
>POTENTIALLY has to get the legal guys to add a few lines of legalese to some documents to allow for re-distribution of certain files potentially copyrighted files when the game is dead and not bringing in cash anymore

>indie multiplayer dev
>just releases the server-side tools if they decide the game is dead to them, very unlikely to have much of a legal barrier

>solo dev
>Even less barriers than indie dev, if they're a true solo they'll have a pretty solid defense to be allowed more time to comply if they somehow made no plan or didn't care enough

What true solo multiplayer devs are there that run an operation large enough for this to apply?
The game only has to be "playable" post sunset no one is saying the whole backend has to be preserved.

>>714477626
Saints Row 3, because you can’t do certain activities or get all achievements without multiplayer, a quarter of the game is locked away behind dead servers.
no i will not purchase the remaster.

>>714477008
>imagine someone trolling
I don't have to imagine you're doing it right now.

>buy a videogame
>an actual videogame (like visions of mana)
>play the game and continue to play it even when the dev studio is gone
>happy

>buy dogshit
>actually, pay money for fucking air, "preoder", the promise of getting dogshit
>garbage "service" that comes out unfinished and a live service that will stop working once they cant milk with their rampart monetization
>not a single thing about this is hidden or difficult to know
>"OMFG, WHY IS THIS DOGSHIT?"
you deserve even worse gor maintaining this industry. You consoomer retards are entirely to blame

>>714477626
>would be playable
Retard. It's not meant to be retroactive.

>>714469706
>pic
Really doesn't take as much as people think.

I set up a WoW Burning Crusade server with 6000 bots on my home PC (Ryzen 7800X3D), and played on it using the same machine. The CPU barely felt the load. Granted TBC is almost 20 years old and you could probably run the server software on a literal IoT toaster, but still, goes to show what's possible. The game was fully functional and accurate to gameplay specs. Look up SPP Classics.

Kinda funny to consider that with this, and all the various private servers out there, WoW has basically been fully SKG-compliant for years already, and it's the biggest, most genre-defining MMO around.

>>714477431
again here in EU we don't but licenses
we buy games
now fuck off

is filecatbox down?

>>714477626
Firefall
Need For Speed Heat
Overwatch 1

>>714477795
>under existing EU law its illegal anyway, but it hasn’t been tested because no one has made a stink
>then test it
>NOOOO MAKE A NEW LAW THAT DOES WHAT I WANT FUCK PROVING ANYTHING IN COURT
fixed for you

>>714477431
>accuses me of strawmanning yet uses ad-hominem
no argument that you make will ever sway my and others' reasoning, since selling a program and then deciding that nobody else will ever be able to execute it is retarded. No amount of coping will ever change the fact that any pirate with enough effort will crack and reverse engineer any attempt at revoking your access to a "license". No amount of crying will ever change the fact that here in the EU I am the owner of games I buy and can do whatever I want with them, and after SKG passes, I'll also have the right to play any game in perpetuity.
Arguing with a corposhill hellbent on private property is retarded. The only right game companies have is to make product that appeases me.

How come mods never made a sticky for this?

>>714477854
Then why does Ross's clitty leak when it comes to The Crew from 2014?

>>714477872
> again here in EU we don't but licenses
you do buy licenses
you have a right to sell/transfer it to another person
but it’s still a license.

>>714477903
that is a perfectly fine way of doing things?
why the fact american judges turn opinions into laws?

>>714454654 (OP)
Elon Musk and Asmongold supports #StopKillingGames
Are you sure you still want to support this bigoted and racist movement?

>>714477682
Contracts that sign away rights, like consumer protections, are null and void ON THEIR FACE.
There are NO juries required, there is NO judge required. NO court proceedings are necessary to determine their legitimacy. Because they are illegitimate. With absolutely NO regard to consent of either party.

Just because two chess players decide that the rooks move on diagonals and the bishops move in cardinals doesn't mean they've changed the fundamental rules of chess.
They're just retards. Like you.

>>714477976
a perpetual license is the definition of a good

>>714477958
He liked the game and is using it as a trojan horse to prevent future games from suffering the same fate.

>>714477863
they don't want to understand what this movement is asking, they want to make up arguments that don't fit reality
>don't DRM your game so it can't be run or remove it at EoL
>don't sue people running private or personal servers of the game provided they own the game
this still allows companies to protect IP and sue if things are being run for profit
but like I said, they want to imagine all kinds of made up shit like the 'devs having to support games after EoL'

>>714478005
Even a broken clock is right twice a day

>>714478005
How come he only knows, at the very end after it became "popular" to support SKG tweeted about it and encouraged his viewers to support it?

>>714477924
I'm pretty sure this was a sticky 5 days ago

>>714478005
>Elon Musk and Asmongold are racist because some online retard told me so

>>714477919
> No amount of coping will ever change the fact that any pirate with enough effort will crack and reverse engineer any attempt at revoking your access to a "license"
thanks for admitting that this is just about being a poorfag and stealing shit when you don’t get your own way, except you want daddy government to back you in it.

>>714478005
>h1bkike and berniekike

>>714477293
kike

>>714478127
Pictures of children is not free speech, get lynched pedo ni/gg/er.

>>714477903
I would fucking love to test it.
Do you have the tens of millions of dollars to go up against the Ubisoft legal team?

>>714477976
Not by recent EU law we don't.
Just because EU hasn't started dropping fines on companies yet doesn't mean it isn't true.
Sooner or later some a lawsuit will happen and there's a good chance your corporations will get fucked.
Either way we can use this to start forcing companies to apply the SKG standard as well.
Cope harder.

I just dont get it, why in the ever loving fuck would anyone sane be against this, I can watch 30 year old movie, I can listen to 30 year old music, I can read 30 year old book, I can play 20 year old Gran turismo 4 but cannot play Gran turismo 7 without uninterrupted internet connection, a single player racing game... what the fuck happened. Why this shit is everywhere now, why are people against this... The amount of absolute retarded takes is off the charts... people on a video game board are justifying corpos greed, its like /tv/ would be for Netflix ability to turn their tvs off remotely.

Jesus Christ there's 6 fucking SKG threads up right now.
Can't wait for 1 (one) of them to be deleted and everyone will have a shitfit.

>>714478050
>>714478280
cite the law that says this.
that precisely says words to the effect that a perpetual license is a good and you don’t need to agree to any license terms because it’s not a license anymore allegedly.
protip: you can’t.
>>714478039
> Contracts that sign away rights, like consumer protections, are null and void ON THEIR FACE.
You have consumer protections. They just don’t extend to being entitled to whatever the fuck you want.
As for your terrible chess analogy, it’s actually like two players agree to the rules you’ve stated, then you decide the queen can just move to any square on the board from anywhere, and your opponent tells you to fuck off, and packs the chessboard away.

>>714478101
The best part is that the government is going to do exactly that, while all you can do is impotently seethe.

>>714478284
Trannies are now hating on this because Elon Musk and Asmongold supports it.

>>714477958
why do you type like a ERPing tranny, fuckwit?

>>714478363
https://www.cuatrecasas.com/en/global/intellectual-property/art/the-cjeu-revisits-usedsoft-does-the-online-supply-of-software-with-a-perpetual-license-equate-to-sale-of-goods

(The Software Incubator) ruling that software supplied electronically can be considered “goods” and that, if the copy of the downloaded software is accompanied by a perpetual license for use, this must be considered “sale of goods,” in the meaning of article 1(2) of Directive 86/653/EEC of 18 December 1986 on the coordination of the laws of Member States relating to self-employed commercial agents (the “Directive”).

>>714478376
and thus they will continue to perpetually be on the hilariously losing and wrong side

>>714477829
>buy single plater game
>enjoy it
>online drm and other modern day practices infect it
>other games are doing shady shit too
>create petition to prevent the spread of corruption affecting more games
>anon thinks it's bad and we shouldn't do anything yto change it due to "deserving" it
AAAAAAAAAAAA FUCKERS LIKE YOU ARE THE REASON WHY NOTHING CHANGES!!! YOU KNEECAP GO INITIATIVES WITH DOOMER MENTALITIES AND CAUSE PEOPLE TO GIVE UP!!! IT'S BECAUSE OF ATTITUDES LIKE YOURS GAMES ARE ALLOWED TO DO ANTI-CONSUMER SHIT!!!!! REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

>>714478376
no you retard its the large vidya companies paying shills to spam misinfo, for once trannies and chuds don't care about each other being invested in the same problem because both sides are porn addicted vidyatards.

you dont have to have a take on everything. stop getting mad about shit just because its popular enough to be in your face. keep scrolling nigga.

>>714478182
projecting kike
3dpd chasing predator

>>714478376
They're trying their hardest to turn this into another Gamergate mark my fucking words

>>714468449
>UH WE CAN'T GO TO THE MOON EVER AGAIN BECAUSE WE LOST THE TECHNOLOGY
they did though after the program was canned
shit was expensive and complex to maintain
https://youtube.com/shorts/22H8n2GxOk0

>>714478518
>defends his /hebe/ board
>no you're the pedo kike
Gaymergaytors from blacked.gov should be gassed.

>>714478284
The only pushback I've seen so far on this board is either from contrarians who are arguing for the sake of it because they're bored (like a lot of manchildren in this thread) or people who didn't read the initiative and also donate to PirateSoftware's streams.
There isn't a downside to signing the initiative. If nothing comes of it, if nothing is done about the state of video games, at least someone tried. It's better someone at least tried to reform the lawless wasteland of video game """""""""ownership""""""""" than to let things get even worse.

>>714478284
SKG wouldn't actually stop devs from making their games online-only, just stop devs from pulling the plug and making the game completely unplayable when they decide to. There's really no way of forcing devs to not make shitty decisions like forced online, they must have the freedom to make their own "vision", even if it sucks.
Why people are against it, I don't fucking know. I guess some people Americans are just corpo bootlickers and they've been brainwashed into thinking
>Government = bad
in all scenarios

>>714476629
license agreements don't supercede existing laws

>>714478461
> The first instance court ruled in favor of The Software Incubator and ordered Computer Associated to pay damages. However, after Computer Associates filed its appeal, the court of appeals dismissed The Software Incubator’s claims because it did not consider it a “commercial agent.” The Software Incubator challenged that decision before the UK High Court in a final attempt to win the legal battle.
Retard doesn’t read his own links kek.
This was decided in the UK High Court fuckwit, it was overturned on appeal in the EU.

>>714478518
>>714478598
What the fuck are these two retards even talking about?

>>714478719
They're just bots spamming the thread to bump limit.

>>714477008
>I have a link that proves that person was guilty
>guilty
Holy fucking bootlicker

>>714478284
> why in the ever loving fuck would anyone sane be against this
Four types of people. Mentally handicapped contrarians that have to take the opposite of the majority no matter what.
People who are trained like Pavlov's dog by the publishers, where the status quo is everything they've ever known.
Mentally ill libertarians that hate government regulations so much that they would rather breathe asbestos until they die choking on their own vomit.
And finally actual paid shills by corporations who stand to lose if they were forced to stop stealing from customers.

>>714478284
To style on the retards jumping on the bandwagon like it's fucking Anonymous or GamerGate all over again

Gaming is fine as it is just use your fucking head every once a while

Retards should feel the consequences of their own actions so we can all have someone to laugh at

If you spend resources to protect the retards from the consequences of their actions you make the world a worse place for everyone else

>It'll die in a month
>100k signatures max
>300k after a year
>people will forget about it, no way it gets more than 500k
>there's only a month left, none of this matters anyway
>it will stop at 800k
>it will stop at 900k
>it will only just hit the threshold, it will be discarded once they clean up fake votes
>It won't hit 1.1 million
(YOU ARE HERE)
>It won't hit record high numbers for an ECI
>It won't even exceed 1.5 million
>Even if it stays over the threshold they will just laugh it away and ignore it
>They won't pass legislation to fuck over ubisoft
>They won't fix the gaming industry

>>714478845
>Why would you want to refund games
>Just never buy bad games, idiot

>thread goes quiet as soon as he’s disproven by his own link
running back to the SKGcord to reformulate tactics with his groomer buddies no doubt.

>>714478845
Corporations are another kind of retard, and it's been too long since the ones involved in videogames faced some consequences.

>>714478363
Consumer protections extend to owning the things you buy. Revocation of access to a thing you own by the person who sold it to you is a violation of those protections.
The stipulation found in most EULA's "this license can be revoked at any time" is signing away those protections. As I've stated, no contract can go above the law. Those EULA's are null and void and mean sweet precious fuck-all.

With that in mind, all such revocation of access is illegal. The only reason that it has not been acted upon is that these corps have MASSIVE legal teams and no consumer protections activists or organizations have the resources to do so.

You misunderstand the chess analogy. These are the laws. Two parties cannot simply agree that the law applies to them differently, just like two players cannot just change all the rules in chess.

>>714479101
>>Just never buy bad games, idiot
I have never bought a game I disliked

>>714475573
He's right and you still do

>>714478702
Sounds like it got over-turned on some bureaucratic nonsense, not on the merits of the case.
I wonder what is the court's definition of a "commercial agent'? I have to imagine it's something out-dated and narrow.

>>714477735
you conflate IP and product

>>714479101
Yes, that is actually correct. You'd have to be fucking retarded to somehow buy a game you don't like

>>714475982
>Russia out of nowhere
Fuck off and keep us out of this. We want this shit to succeed too.
>inb4 he starts going "So this was all a russian ploy to destabilize EU all along1111!"

>>714463496
>indie MMO
this is my own best bait of the thread award, personally

>>714478845
I dont give a shit, this bullshit is ruining whole IP's, its a cancer and its spreading into everything.

>>714479671
Meant to reply
>>714476036

>>714479150
They already tested this in the UK while it was still part of the EU, in 2010:
https://www.williamfry.com/knowledge/when-a-perpetual-licence-does-not-mean-what-it-says-on-the-tin/
> The Court stated that “perpetual” can carry different shades of meaning, it can mean “never ending” (i.e. incapable of being brought to an end) or “operating without limit of time” (i.e. the licence was of indefinite duration, but subject to contractual provisions governing termination). The Court held that the latter interpretation was applicable.
> The Court held that the latter interpretation was applicable.
So, what have we found out? That perpetual licenses are infinite in time but can still be terminated under terms dictated in said license.

>>714479671
Always do the opposite what Putin wants you to do. Nice try Russian bot

>>714479137
>groomer buddies
Maldavius? Yes, we know.

>>714464568
Wurm i guess

>>714479137
this is the new Bluesky tactic. Hasan does it too, just call every single person against you a pedo. Methinks the lady doth protest too much.

>>714479891
Pedo is the new nazi. Watch it get watered down just like the word nazi

>>714479813
>That perpetual licenses are infinite in time
But they aren't. The license lasts only as long as the software is supported.
Under either definition of "perpetual", developers are in violation of consumer protections.

>>714480010
there's perhaps a bit of that in it as well, but I think it's moreso that these cretins are projecting, as they always do. They do it with the feminist shit too
>oh I'm an ally ma'am, I support women, now may I take creep shots and get a whiff of your vagina?
30 years now of seeing them do it

>>714480070
>selective reading
okay bro
let’s repeat:
>(the licence was of indefinite duration, but subject to contractual provisions governing termination)

>>714478830
you forgot number 5: free thinkers who come to their own conclusions about this evil proposal

>>714480273
I N D I A N

>>714480273
>t. mentally handicapped contrarian

>>714480273
>free thinkers who come to their own conclusions
>boy, corporations fucking me in the ass sure is swell

>>714480273
Good morning saar. Remember to eat your daily cow dung to worship the whore Vishnu

>>714480327
>>714480331
>>714480356
your revulsion tells me i'm right

>>714480356
>i much prefer daddy government to choose how I am fucked instead

>>714480483
>telling a corporation 'hey don't do this' is 'getting fucked in the ass' to a bootlicker
L
O
L

>>714480435
my revulsion is because you're a jeet

>>714480182
So, revocation of what you own at any time, for any reason? That's what the EULA states?
Then it's illegal. I will repeat this until my fucking keyboard breaks: CONTRACTS CANNOT OVERRIDE THE LAW.

As those EULA's are FUCKING ILLEGAL, the defaults of consumer protections are in play. Those contractual provision are MEANINGLESS.
The seller then has no right to revoke any access, and if they do, they should face civil, possibly criminal, consequences.

ross WON
/v/ WON
jason LOST
the 'cord LOST

>>714480590
it's always indians who jeet post like you
not fooling anyone

>>714480483
>corporations using government to fuck me = GOOD
>me using government to fuck corporations = NO YOU CAN'T DO THAT YOU'RE A COMMIE YOU'RE A COMMIE AAAAA YOU HATE FREEDOM STOP ONLY MY CORPORATE MASTERS ARE ALLOWED TO DO THIS!

I don't play live service slop in the first place so I don't care
And you can't tell me that the sloppers would even continue to play any of the games once they're shutdown, they can't even buy the latest battlepass in that case

>>714454715
Came to this thread to post this

>>714480551
>the corporations dude

>>714479845
>No you see they MUST stop video toys from being accessible offline because... uh... IT WILL KILL UKRAINE IF THEY DONT.

>>714480690
>n..no..y..you saar
lol

>>714480667
>they’re illegal even though a court said they were perfectly fine
you are getting very worked up about this.

>>714480748
>won't even post hand
knew it kek

>>714480881
>you have to post hand saar like I post dick to 'eckman to make post on 4chins.org
l o l

>>714480805
you're seething on 4chan for literal hours over a petition you don't like succeeding
:^)

>>714478845

>>714471870
>They aren't. Why? Because I said so
>Copyrighted servers (lol)
>Just releasing server hosting files is conveniently missing from argument
Why is every poster I see who is against this movement so dishonest in their arguments

>>714481073
Shills don't need to be honest, juat obfuscate the truth and chip away at morale.

Petition?
Succeeding.
Pirate fanboys?
They seething.
How am I doing?
Great feeling.
Industry shills?
They reeling.

>>714480805
You're god damned right I am.
Out-dated laws, know-nothing judges, and corporate cock-riders are going to turn us all into slaves that own nothing and are miserable.
I can't see how you're not "worked up" about it.

>>714480964
Legal precedent agrees with me bro, and you’re going to be very, very upset when the EU does nothing with this.

>>714476629
>>714477243
>>714477682
wow, a genuinely brain-damaged amerimutt retardditor
amazing, but also embarrassing to even look at
please say SIKE right now dude lol

>>714481184
>I seethe and cry over a mere petition because I uh...have uh..legal precedent (no I will not cite caselaw) and I've very confident for SERIOUS
KEK

>>714481262
I know this is a good step forward because of the amount of pure asspain I see over the mere idea of maybe a corporation not getting its way

>>714481262
Except case law has been cited more than once.
>>714479813
>>714478702
You are foaming.

>>714480273
pfff you fucking with lmao
you're literally the first type (retarded contrarian)
here's your (You) lol

>>714481073
Are you retarded? Show me which law allows you to reverse engineer a proprietary server just to make your client software work. I'll wait.
>Copyrighted servers
Yes, content delivered by servers is copyrighted and so is server logic. That's why reverse engineering code based on leaked source code of proprietary software is against the law.
Reverse engineering servers is not something that's tested in any court. That's the only reason why private servers aren't all nuked. No company wants to risk losing that battle so they prefer suing people illegally delivering a competitive service based on their own proprietary/copyrighted stuff.
>Just releasing server hosting files is conveniently missing from argument
Are you even following the actual conversation or did you just read something you don't like and wanted to cry about it?

>>714481571
read the part about 'commercial agent' again you retarded faggot
HAHA

>>714481683
Read the part again about:
> “operating without limit of time” (i.e. the licence was of indefinite duration, but subject to contractual provisions governing termination). The Court held that the latter interpretation was applicable.
retarded faggot

>>714481571
>You are foaming.
says the retard literally crying and sobbing over a petition that he claims
>won't do anything because erm my misunderstood case law that is only ancillary related anyhow
yet is still pissing and shitting himself over
xD

>>714466898
That's such an apt opinion it's crazy we dont see the likes of it more frequently.

>>714481748
read the part about 'commercial agent' again you retarded faggot
This is why laymen trying to play armchair lawyer is always so fucking funny

>>714481882
why are you conflating two separate cases? why can’t you argue in good faith and stop spamming the thread with your retarded samefagging?

>>714481882
>This is why laymen trying to play armchair lawyer is always so fucking funny
ironic lol

>>714481571
For the last fucking time.
CONTRACTS DO NOT OVERRIDE THE LAW.

If you are sold a thing in perpetuity, you must, by definition, own said thing. A seller cannot simply say take-backs and just take it from you. When someone takes something you own without consent, THAT IS THEFT.
THEFT IS AGAINST THE LAW.
YOU CANNOT CONSENT TO THEFT.

No, I don't give one flying FUCK about some backwater court in Bongland being pantsu-on-head RETARDS.

>>714481951
>now he's trying to obfuscate and blame it on 'samefags'
You are so fucking mad it's unbelievable, the mere whiff of your masters having to give up some meaningless power sent you into a frothing rage
HAHAHAHA

>>714482063
>>714481951
>cries samefag
>samefags
hmmmmmm

hey so I'm going to close the thread now but it was funny seeing the rats lose their fucking minds. Remember: the thread will 404 but the petition was still successful and you will still be upset

>>714461583
>software preservation
but you already can?
are you retarded?

>>714482106
You are licensed a thing without a defined limit of time, until you hit a point of revocation.
If the terms allow for revocation, then the license can be removed. This is not hard to understand.
Go buy a house and stop paying taxes. See how long you get to keep the house for.
>>714482152
embarassing
>>714482127
still no argument against:
> > “operating without limit of time” (i.e. the licence was of indefinite duration, but subject to contractual provisions governing termination). The Court held that the latter interpretation was applicable.
for the 2010 case, instead doubles down on conflating the cases, and projects his seethe onto others.

>>714482413
>property taxes.
i'm even more angry. fucking bump limit.

>>714454996
Spinelessness.

>>714482152
Your next cope, jeet worker drone?