Thread 714470780

Is borderlands 4 gonna redeem the borderlands franchise?

lol

>>714470780 (OP)
How much did Randy murder his own games sales?

Borderlands doesn't need redeeming, they are amongst the best fps games.

Playing TTW and enjoying it. BL4 looks like it is going to be really good from the gameplay they have shown so far.

>>714470780 (OP)
lol no
>>714471140
go to bed Randy

no

>>714470780 (OP)
It's gonna be what kills GearBox when it flops

yes

>>714470780 (OP)
Doom the Dark ages flopped because of it's price and the same will happen to this game.
doesnt help that the borderlands movie tanked hard

>>714471112
Borderlands is the 2nd best selling FPS franchise and Borderlands 3 was their fastest selling game.

What could anon possibly mean by this
https://ir.take2games.com/static-files/e8841ad4-15c4-4572-b4c4-0df5548df6ba

no, but real fans will make it work

I may buy it when it's cheap if people say it's good

>>714471940
man borderlands really saved gearbox huh. they'd probably be defunct if they hadn't made the series

>>714472069
FPS as a genre just went f2p mainly. Looter Shooters are an offshoot that you can still charge money for.

but Randy understands it's appeal is couch co-op for when you ragequit whatever live service battle royale, hero shooter, or tactical shooter. So they put the game at 95% off knowing that one friend will buy 4x copies at like $3.99 a copy and guilt their friends into doing a playthrough.

What they've shown so far looks pretty good and I've heard they've dialled down a lot of the cringe humour of 3 so I'm kinda optimistic.

>>714470780 (OP)
>90 shekels pricetag
kek, lmao, lol even.

>>714470780 (OP)
How about another magic trick Randy?

I doubt it. I'm playing through the series right now and so far:
BL1 was pretty boring at best and horribly tedious at worst. The DLC is absolutely abysmal. They barely made any content, removed fast travel to pretend like there's more than there actually is, and just like the main game it just fizzles out. All in all it starts fine and has a nice art style and strangely strong worldbuilding for what it is, but the game drags on for too long and gets worse as it goes on. Not a single exciting moment in the entire game.
BL2 improves some little things, makes other things worse, but the writing and humor are immediately more in my face and the jokes are grating and not funny. So as early as BL2 the series becomes Reddit and it never looks back.
Still working my way through it, but I don't know what they could do in 4 to "redeem" this series. It's too late and the series didn't have a strong start anyway.

>>714472743
Try BL3 or TTW.

>>714470780 (OP)
Not with 2 DRMs at once!

Borderlands honestly doesn’t deserve success, but somehow every other attempt at the genre is either so wildly different that it attracts a completely different audience, is so complete garbage.

When Destiny 1 was announced it was seen by people as “the borderlands killer” because sci fi looter shooter made by Bungie would obviously beat Bl2 in every possible metric. And Destiny sure felt nicer than Borderlands to play. But everything else Bungie did (and continued to do for next decade) was just bafflingly insane and very few Borderlands fans became longterm Destiny fans, because being a Destiny fan required being ok with getting robbed blind and having DLC’s stolen from you by Bungie, and paying exorbitant prices for yearly expansions.

“Diablo but it’s a first person shooter” is such a good idea for successful video game. But apparently it’s a lot harder than it sounds because Gearbox is only dev who even kinda succeeded, and their games are full of problems.

>>714472851
I'm looking forward to Tiny Tina's Wonderland, but I never hear anything good about BL3 even from fans of the series ... which does make me curious as to what it did that lost its diehard fans.

>>714470780 (OP)
>Second best selling FPS franchise defeated by COD
>Sold more copies than Battlefield
>Borderlands 3 itself sold 15 million copies and was given away for free which would entice people to buy DLCs
The only reason why Randy is even trying with this one is out of pure passion and getting kicked in the balls with side projects like the fuck ass movie and New Tales.

Borderlands will always be fun to play and being one of the few co-op friendly games is enough to make it relevant and sitting right next to Call Of Duty

>>714473154
BL3 improved so many small things even the weapons are crazier than ever but they drop legendaries very often and the story is just bad. It's kinda crazy to see a dialogue skipper mod being so popular because the writing is just that bad, the humor isn't even the issue the tone is what they got wrong. The story never took itself seriously unlike 2 where it stopped cracking jokes in the final 6 hours or so

I just hope it's not a clusterfuck of performance issues like 3 was on release.
The game still crashes on me pretty regularly.

BL3 was so bad, even coop was extremely boring.

>>714473154
I think most people just have nostalgia over BL2. I played BL2 before playing BL2 and I think it's much better. People say the writing and humor is worse but I found it better than the other games.

TTW is fun, the fantasy setting is really good and the writers are definitely D&D players and know a lot about D&D. Did a fun side quest yesterday called The Ditcher which is themed around The Witcher with a npc called Garret of Triva.

https://youtu.be/Cgut89hDBoE?si=eK61JKfC8utXxD2v

>>714472743
Well you're a jaded /v/faggot so if the humor isn't about troons or steamcharts you won't like it

>>714473839
>I played BL2 before playing BL2

>>714474649
Meant BL3 before BL2

>>714470780 (OP)
I don't give a shit anymore, I'll just keep replaying 2 and TPS with my coop bro

>>714474649
i miss this kettle like you wouldn't believe

>>714470780 (OP)
Doesn't look like it, the guns are too gimmicky at this point for me, I miss the simplicity of BL1 guns

>>714475701
wdym, she's still around

>>714470780 (OP)
Borderlands (not counting Tales) has been anywhere from decent to incredible in its lifetime. The writing is just the low point.

>>714476386
yeah the gameplay in borderlands is fun. the writing is shit but who cares as long as gameplay is fun. Just make sure 4 has a skip dialogue and cutscene button for the love of god

I think so, from what's been shown so far I at least expect to like it more than 3

>>714470780 (OP)
Could someone spoonfeed me if any newer bl games had characters that play similar to melee zer0? I'm talking, decepti0n > r0id 0ut > kunai > melee > repeating this process 20 times. If no, I'm not buying it.

>>714477019
Yeah I loved nothing more than being forced to carry a debuffing weapon to deal any kind of damage to the damage sponge enemies starting with BL2. Really fun, just great.

>>714477019
There comes a point where the writing can be so bad that it actively detracts from the gameplay, and it's not like you can just skip it. The game forces you to engage with its story. There is no "arcade mode."

>>714471940
>2K PowerPoint where they say DUDE TRUST ME

You know sales execs entire job is to bullshit their investors right?

>>714484328
Sad cope

>>714484407
Ok randy you cheeseburger eating walrus

>>714483875
not really, BL4 will have a character with a melee ability and a dash attack but it seems like it works in an awkward third person view for some goddamn reason

>>714472743
>The DLC is absolutely abysmal
Thank God somebody finally said this. Every single person on the web acts like the dlc's are these amazing new experiences.
Especially Knox fanboyism, a dlc where you drive on a single road three times with the same boring checkpoints.

Why is the matchmaking so shit in these games I just wanna co-op with people.

Also where are the characters that combine in some way. Like iron bear but maybe a more ranged focused small character hops on a bigger melee characters shoulders or something like that. That'd be cool

>>714483875
Wonderlands' Brrzerker can be similar

>>714484328
>Capitalism isn't real and the boardroom just makes all the numbers up for their quarterlies

got you

BL3 would have been perfect if the swamp level wasn't almost 2/3 of the game. The planet after is somehow even more disappointing.

>>714473404
The gameplay in 3 is objectively great, but the writing is so fucking insufferable it literally drags the game down so much its nearly unplayable on repeat playthroughs (a franchise designed for replayability)

>>714486060
Never should've left Pandora. BL2 Pandora mogs and has tons of diversity in level design and aesthetics. Hopefully the new planet in 4 is good, I'm glad that at least they're sticking to one single planet this time.

>>714486157
>dialogue volume at zero
>subtitles off

>>714486245
Have to wait until characters are done talking regardless of your audio settings.

>>714471940
>total sales 93m
>bl2 is best selling at 30m
>bl3 sold 22m
>bl1 sold ??
What other games are they including? bl1 can't have sold 41m units or it would be top seller.

>>714486401
Yeah, but you don't have to know what's being said, or which sassy voice is saying it. You can just MxC your game.

>>714486401
Do some situps or something

>>714486468
I'd assume Tina was included, maybe even the tales games.

>>714486628
Tiny Tina was disappointing. I was hoping she'd be a hot midget like Bea Smalls.

>>714486468
Borderlands 1
Borderlands 2
Borderlands the prequel
Tinas definitely included cause it labels it part of the borderland franchise.

Probably whatever tales sold but I can't imagine its a large margin after those games

>>714485738
some of the enemies and gear are cool, but yeah the DLC in 1 is skippable imo. It's also where the devs started being heavy-handed on the whacky humor (but I still like Dr Ned, sue me) that the series later becamer infamous for

>>714470780 (OP)
>they removed the mini map

already a blunder

If it stops having cringe bullshit and has a serious story, then it will be revered. The serious parts of Borderlands 1 and 2 were the best parts of it.

>>714485738
>Especially Knox fanboyism
Yeah, it's overrated when you look back on it and where games have gone since, but I get nostalgic for it cause of the setting/this glitch

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9NprHFHVzI

Would put on Gorillaz 19-2000 driving down the highway or out of bounds and it was peak 2010 core.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXR-bCF5dbM

Chat why do people complain about the cringe writing in 3? But then you have people like 714487220 pretending 1 and 2 were not?

>>714486628
>>714486841
If they are including all of pic related they are being straight up disingenuous. Because spreading 93m total franchise sales across a dozen titles is extremely weak. Especially including bundles, re-releases and deep discounts.

>>714487396
Well 2s cringe is absolutely on par with 3 and all the games that followed. But 1s cringe was edgy, not safe edgy.

>>714473029
I wish borderlands was Diablo but an fps. I really dont get the appeal of these games when every talent tree is pistols deal 3% more damage and grenades have a 1% bigger explosion. Youre just finding different guns doing the same shit but with bigger numbers

>>714470780 (OP)
Borderlands 3 is unironically god-tier if you ignore the story.
I don't see borderlands 4 improving much on it looking at some of the preview footage.

>>714487395
>If they are including all of pic related they are being straight up disingenuous. Because spreading 93m total franchise sales across a dozen titles is extremely weak. Especially including bundles, re-releases and deep discounts.
Shame the glitch is kinda useless now since dlc 4 final reward treasure room is so much quicker.

>>714487457
>If they are including all of pic related they are being straight up disingenuous. Because spreading 93m total franchise sales across a dozen titles is extremely weak.
Nothing about that is disingenuous, if all it's games has sold 93 million units, they've sold 93 million units. That's what a franchise is.
>Especially including bundles, re-releases and deep discounts.
FPS games only sell at full price to a very niche community outside of Call of Duty. It's a multiplayer first genre, and the mutliplayer industry became live service.

>>714487457
I guess CoD and Battlefield are also disingenuous because they report sales across the entire franchise? get the fuck outta here

>>714487637
I wish it was 3 %. It is usually something like 1% and than you get 3 after 5 levels.
I really hate how the game forces you to spend multiple points into the same passive to unlock the new tier. Especially bad since you will usually finish the game below level 35.

>>714487854
You're trying to tell me that, the way >>714471940 is phrase, it isn't meant to imply that they sold 93m units across 3 games and now they have #4 in the pipeline?


>>714487932
>CoD and Battlefield are also disingenuous because they report sales across the entire franchise
Link please. I've never seen that. They always report sales, if they do, within the first 8 weeks of release.

>>714470780 (OP)
Remember to report all marketers for "Advertising or Begging"

>>714470780 (OP)
Might get it ~2 years after launch when it’s fixed and finished for $20 with all DLCs but good lord no I wouldn’t pay $80 to QA 40% of a game.

>>714488143
>it isn't meant to imply that they sold 93m units across 3 games and now they have #4 in the pipeline?
You not knowing the number of Borderlands games/releases and then dividing it by 3 before having to google isn't indicative of trying to make you think that those 3 games sold tens of millions.

If I told you the mario videogame franchise has sold over 900million copies you're not going to somehow think it's disingenous to include every spinoff with Mario characters in it right?

>>714488407
same, it's the only sensible option unless you are a FOMO goblin

>>714488407
Tough luck with that. The ultimate 3 edition is 30+ monies.

>>714488039
Yeah. And that's the worst part about it? It doesnt really change the way you interact with the game at all. A level 12 machine gun is functionally the same as a level 41. I've never gotten the popularity of these games at all. At least in Diablo if you get a legendary it can do something besides chain lightning plus 2%

>>714488486
>If I told you the mario videogame franchise has sold over 900million copies you're not going to somehow think it's disingenous to include every spinoff with Mario characters in it right?

Well no because Mario is in a different league. Mario has been around for 40 years. Everybody knows that there have been a hundred Mario games. But Borderlands 93m sounds like it sold those over 3 games.

>>714488942
No, that's you being a retard and thinking there is 3 borderlands game and then having main character syndrome in assuming anyone who reads "Borderland franchise has sold 93 million copies" will divide by 3 and assume that each game sold 30million because there are only 3 borderland games.

That's the source on the 93 million number, it's from take 2's quarterly presentation.
500million meanwhile was the last CoD Franchise number released from Activision-Blizzard, who told that number to Washington Post at the launch of Call of Duty Black Ops 6.

https://www.pressreader.com/usa/the-washington-post-597/20241105/282153591792085

and I link these sources because they're the sources used in this chart
>>714472304

>>714489352
See, this article provides all the information that the powerpoint slide is missing.

If they had added
>Franchise has sold-in nearly 93M units across 11 titles
they wouldn't leave any room for misinterpretation. Especially since they are listing Tiny Tina separately.

>>714490102
Just admit you've been wrong all along

>>714486157
>>714486401
What's really funny about this is that when they had the live play session a couple weeks ago one of the streamers entered the audio menu and found that they added both a dedicated volume slider for just Claptrap, and audio volume and TRIMMING settings for literally all form of voice audio in the entire game. Presumable, you can now set the audio trim to just immediately skip any of the dialogue you just do not want to hear talking. If adjusting the trim also makes it so the game stops going on pause to hear the next NPC's standup routine that's honestly pretty based of Gearbox to do (even if its just taking one of the most popular mods for BL3 and just making it a core feature in the next game.)

>>714490102
>Especially since they are listing Tiny Tina separately.
Tiny Tina's is the most recent existing title in the franchise that they are highlighting the fact it brought many new players into the Borderland franchise
Meanwhile Borderlands 4 is an upcoming IP that releases during this upcoming quarter and they're highlighting the high sales of the last two mainline games.

They don't need to spend valuable slide space spelling out the number of titles in the franchise because that is readily available information to anyone that would organically consume that slide, where as the most up to date sales figures are not.

>>714490406
Well no, i wasn't making any factual statements.
>>714490581
>valuable slide space
for 17 characters?

If it was up to i would want a separate pdf with a detailed graph of not only total copies sold but showing which title on what platform in what timespan. Like BL1 X units on PS3 in the first 8 weeks after release etc. I would want that level of transparency in all financial reports from every publisher.

>>714490581
Honestly, it's wild how much mental gymnastics people do over a pie chart in a corporate slide. It's not designed for Reddit-tier lore autists to dissect, it's for investors to skim while eating their 4th catered bagel of the morning. No one in that room is thinking "Wait a minute, does this 93M include The Pre-Sequel???" They're thinking "Is Gearbox still printing money or not?" Like bro, if you need a footnote after every bullet point just to sleep at night, maybe investor slides aren’t for you.

>>714473404
>The only reason why Randy is even trying with this one
>pure passion
He LITERALLY buttered the community up by insinuating the game would be $80 and "appeased" all the backlash that got by "only" raising the price to $70.
The only reason Randy exists is greed to fuel his jailbait and piss fetishes.

Pre-Sequel would be the best one if it had one or two DLCs. I wish there was a mod scene, but GB had to ruin their game 10 years later.

>Bitching about the EULA
You're making it too easy to identify your shitposts.

The only way Borderlands 4 could ever stand a chance of being good is if Randy does the one good thing he could ever possibly do for the studio and blow his own brains out. He's basically just dragging the developers down with his constant faggotry

>>714487396
>>714487575
>>714487749
everyone hates on the writing in 3 but it honestly doesn't get enough hate. literally everything about it is wrong

I think Randy will double down on shitty writing.

>>714493865
Imagine being jealous of Randy. Just think about what that means for your current situation.

Guys. I tried to playthrough Borderlands 1 recently and it was not fun. The Main Story is fine and Ned's Zombie Island is okay. But the others are pure fucking garbage. Fuck. I am completely demoralized from playing 2. The base game is still a solid 7/10 but the DLCs are so fucking baaaaaaaaaad.

>>714487396
1: the podunk hillbilly characters like scooter, tk, and ellie are actually amusing. zed and marcus are great. only really claptrap is annoying but tolerable. the writing never gets in the way
2: the writing gets more reddit-tier despite jack being a likeable villain. increase in "lol so le random xd" buttstallion lines. swings and misses on emotional beats with mordecai's bird and jack's "i hate my dad" daughter moments, killing roland for shock value. the overall tone is noticeably more goofy and estrogenated but not overbearing
3: every character is now a saturday morning cartoon character. every other line is meta-ironic self-aware mcu humor. no one feels like a genuine character. every main character is a woman. the story is 100% testosterone free. the villains don't land. lilith is not as interesting a character as the story wants us to believe that she is. the jokes don't land. the villains don't land. the story makes itself the center of attention and never stops blabbing in your ear.

>>714471940
Long time bl1, bl2, presequal fan...still play to this day when i want to pop heads....I pre-ordered the broken (every action seemed retarded ...vending machienes...story selections...), bland, unfunny, shitty story bl3 game with a season pass...1st game i have ever purchased that the season pass didn't contain all the DLC...I will never do that again...I'll pick this one up 2 years from now with all the DLC for 30$ ...it will probably blow anyways....they already said they are not going to add humor (translation pay writters).

>>714473154
The thing I disliked about 3 was how Legendaries were basically devalued due to how they essentially replaced blue/purple unique weapons in being mandatory for endgame stuff. Also sidequests and missions don't even show what kind of gear is offered until completion, which I hate.
>>714486157
I'm still baffled at how they made the antagonists to be a bunch of streamer twins, and there aren't any missions or sidequests where you get to troll their streams by removing their monetization, giving them a temporal TOS ban, or streamsniping them. They just go and shittalk you on ECHO while you can't do anything until you fight them, which contrasts moments in 2 where you could piss off Jack

It's such a tragedy that they ruin a game with that's extremely fun with annoying garbage. It's like it was done on purpose. The legacy is ruined with shit like this. It shouldn't be impossible to make a game like the first one with everything better.

>>714497439
Imagine defending Randy instead of the actual devs that have to sift through his half-baked sparkle wizard ideas while he’s off doing sleight of hand tricks for Saudi investors. Man could sell a brick painted like Claptrap for $100 and you’d clap like a seal. Being jealous of someone who turned the franchise into Reddit-tier stand-up routines with gunplay is just admitting you fear mirrors.

>>714470780 (OP)
No theyre all terrible games

>>714492734
His original tweet literally said the whole thing is out of his control and he's right. He sold his company to 2K so he has 0 control over how it's published

>>714499436
He has plenty of control.
He could shut the hell up and let the Internet forget how much they hate him.

>>714486245
doesnt doing this completely mute all bandits in combat and your character grunts and shit? i remember muting voices and it felt so strange

What did you think of
>Tiny Tina's Wonderlands?
>Borderlands 3?
What did you think of
>TTW DLC?
>BL3 DLC?
What do you think of
>Borderlands 4?

>>714486401
Just download a dialogue skipper mod, it helps to bypass some talking sequences.

>>714500871
Don't you have to wait there anyway?

>>714500726
Weird bot post, but I'll bite.
>Wonderlands
A forgettable story with some hype moments, excellent combat, decent weapon variety.
>Wonderlands DLC
Shit, plain and simple. The only good part is the extra class, everything else is forgettable dungeon shit.
>BL3
Irredeemable story, amazing gameplay, healthy amount of content, lots of bad guns (SMGs straight-up doing almost 0 damage at level 1 alone is criminal, but there's plenty of issues throughout), awful loot balancing with Uniques pouring forth like a bottomless spring.
>BL3 DLC
They're okay, DLC pass 2 was a blatant cash grab and Fustercluck was insulting.

>>714502785
Ok, I'll buy BL3 + DLC and Tiny Tina

>>714502785
>Uniques
*Legendaries
I don't know how my hands manage to type the wrong things so consistently sometimes.

>>714470780 (OP)
Maybe.

>>714487396
THIIIIIIIIIIS GIIIIIIIIIIIIIIRL IS ON FIIIIIIIIIIREEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

4 is going to be a return to form, many blasts will be had.

so is the spyware shit on BL2 a nothingburger? idc about mods or co op, been itching to replay it

>>714500726
>TTW
hated it so much I uninstalled it after a few hours
>BL3
loved the gameplay and the character archetypes
>BL3 DLC
I liked all of them besides the western one (terrible) and the battle royale mode (pointless)
>Borderlands 4
I'm going to play as the Maliwan NVBIAN QVEEN because I like elemental effects.

>>714503572
>That UI
Nope.
>>714503686
It has no spyware. The EULA changes amount to "You give us permission to steal all your information" but they didn't add any spyware of any kind and none of the Blands games have root access in your PC, so they can't actually steal any info except what you personally give them (sign up info, play time).

>>714487749
The weapon drops are all wrong and the replayability is way way worse than 2, but yeah other than that it was pretty good.

>>714470780 (OP)
You can't redeem a franchise that's been shit longer than it's been good

>>714504041
Why not?

>>714504073
Because what is there to redeem?
It's a shit franchise at that point. You're not gonna suddenly make it good.
>Look just because 8/10 entries are shit, doesn't mean it's a bad franchise!

>>714471704
>Doom the Dark ages flopped because of it's price
It was because you needed an rtx card just to run it. And there wasnt much hype for it.

>>714470780 (OP)
>redeem the borderlands franchise
Nothing can do that

>>714504231
A single 10/10 title can redeem a dozen shit games.
I don't give a shit what you say, the conversation ends here whether you reply or not.

>>714504378
>A single 10/10 title can redeem a dozen shit games.
No it can't Randy and this is exactly why Gearbox has put out nothing but slop for decades

>>714486157
>a franchise designed for replayability
There is absolutley 0 reason to replay the story in BL3.

>>714484328
This

>>714471940
Notice how they flub the mention of sales for Tiny Tina's Wonderlands entirely. Instead turning it into a demographic tool because people who never owned Borderlands also happened to play it.

Name better fps games than Borderlands. Multiplier fps games don't count, single player ones only.

>>714504602
You have to, when you create another character.

>>714502785
>BL3 DLC
>They're okay
On average the DLC of 3 are better than most of the franchise.

>>714504602
There is plenty, you have mayhem levels with loads of different multipliers. Playing the game game after completing it with mayhem levels is a completely different experience.

>>714487749
Honestly I've been thinking otherwise, I've been following the preview info too and it really does feel like Gearbox has been specifically targeting areas for improvement from the core gameplay sandbox BL3 established. (Also, to give credit, when handling criticism like people saying that combat could feel too chaotic with just the compass to offer situational awareness of where enemies are at and addressing the issue by adding a Halo combat radar to the UI rather than compromising on their vision of not having a full mini-map to let players focus on the world and less on the UI shows a capacity to listen to what customers are saying and finding a good solution that both solves the deeper issue those players were expressing without just compromising on their own creative vision.)

To me, even with that ability to just trim out the dialogue if you hate it, I still do not have faith that the writing will not be annoying like it has been becoming since BL3, and I'm more worried that the amount of polish being poured into BL4 is because Take-Two is trying to position BL4 as a pseudo-live service to finally take a stab at it when to me I feel the strength BL has had as a franchise compared to titles like Destiny has been the fact that it's never been a live service, meaning they get the chance to properly iterate on their formula rather than being locked into technical debt like Destiny where the engine is so ass and dated that it's a struggle to add something as simple as a fucking ping system to a game that wants to make FPS Zelda dungeons and call them raids.

>>714504998
You don't need to start a new game for Mayhem mode.

1 and 2 are the only semi decent games

>>714505174
You don't unlock mayhem untill late game.

>>714473404
I like how they at least made Tediore an actual weapon type and not just "here's a dogshit gun brand for the early game" but I never liked using their gimmick and refuse to use any that I pick up

>>714486157
After surviving Fire Emblem Conquest, I am completely immunized against letting dog puke story get in the way of good gameplay.

I didn't really like 1. Dropped 2.

>>714506016
BL1 is the worst, not that it is a bad game but it hasn't aged well. BL2 is good but still dated, try BL3 or TTWL. TPS is pretty meh, if you didn't like BL2 you probably won't like TPS.

>>714504678
Any of them. Gunplay (aka the only thing that matters) in Borderlands was always DOGSHIT

>>714506468
What? Gunplay is literally one of the best things about BL. Unless you want realistic gunplay?

>>714470780 (OP)
press X for big doubt
since it cant even cap a thread

>>714506735
not enough coomerbait for a /v/ cap

The skill trees in 4 are a mixed bag, some look actually really good but others are stinkers. Ultimately might end up playing but going to wait at least a week to make sure there isn't a rugpull.

>>714470780 (OP)
gearbox is selling shit to flies

I tried getting back into 3 and was once again unprepared for how often you're forced to listen to characters talk while you can do nothing. Even the DLC doesn't respect your time. If 4 stops doing this I'll be happy to buy.

>>714486013
>/pol/ schizophrenia

>>714501174
NTA, but sometimes. Some sequences depend on when the dialogue finishes, and some depend on when an animation is finished.
It still makes the game far more enjoyable in the long run, though.

>>714508997
the franchise selling 93million copies means it sold 93million copies by the end of Q2 2025.
Those numbers aren't what is being bullshat.

>>714496581
I hated the writing in BL2 so much that i haven't even touched any of the games or DLC that followed. I only assume that the other games are at least just as bad and it seems i'm correct.

>>714471140
Been playing through BL3 and while the story is atrocious, the gameplay is great. Moze is probably the most fun vault hunter i've played over all the games.

It feels like they're finally toning down the LOL RANDUMB XD humor, which has always been the biggest problem about the series for me. Redemption is possible desu.